 Make another podcast like this Check it check it check it this evening call such a boy. You see oh, and I'm here with the lovely amazing official Mr.. Mako what's going on? None. None. You know my dad walk on hey man Hey, man, this guy right here. Don't need no introduction guys This guy here is one of the ones that basically when things are out of order He always come through chairman is in the building and anytime there's any type of situation where he can be a help to the community he's always jumped up and came to the forefront man and We just moved down here in Houston, Texas and we wanted to just you know sit down with him for a minute We sit down with him in Chicago and you know, I got to put a few little clips out But today is my day man of redemption when he come down to get back with my boy chairman Fred Hampton, Jr. Is in the building on boss talk 101. What's going on man? Good to be back. Good to be black with you, you know And um, if you see the Chicago we at least nothing, you know, that was a great day It's a great day and cast me on my heels, but just in initial clips. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Gotta have it yeah, but but it's because of the electrifying way that you present yourself man Like when we out there and you talking to these kids man, and you giving them the Really things that can help save their life man You speaking life into a situation where somebody might make a wrong turn And even before they can even get there you you predicting positivity. Yeah, I think that's hard Well, yeah, you know get I gotta get credit with credit to do I'm Honored and humbled to serve the people, you know, and um, I tell people our times What one of my mattresses is that my last name is Hampton not Houdini, so I know ain't no magician, but You know, I'm fortunate We fortunate don't send again. And we got you know, we got a lot of scars and bars and a lot of damaged goods by ever the politics and Panther as we refer to the Panther politics to be armed with that it gives us the ability to notice The ceiling diamonds in the rough, you know saying, you know contradictions and all that through the good the bad and ugly You're not in the abstract Idealistic way like, you know, like, you know, just this missing our struggles and contradictions But to be able to see what we refer to as principal contradictions in other words We're cause of damage, you know saying and and also, you know the distinguishing Messed up situations, you know, say messed up actions from messed up people and you know because of the neck a lot of times our community in particular we forced to deal with Absolutes, you know, so in other words just to write write our community or write our people up, but the politics It gives the ability to assess the situation and get you know, get in This was what this one war tactician and say it give people place of land how we can move forward Yeah, yeah, now when you when you when you really think about it, you know chairman you down here in Houston, Texas, man Really didn't know I didn't plan to see you Know like I talked, you know, I talked to Larry Hoover, Jr. I talked to a king no, but he didn't tell me You know, this was a surprise for me So it was a pleasant surprise when I seen you say it made me feel like man I got to see Freddy's like like a kid in a candy store, you know So just was a blessing to be able to you know, link back up with you once again, man So it ain't number God man So I believe in high source of power man And I believe that to be God for me and I just love the fact of that he put us together here today Real talk all the night. Yes, I can't word, you know, not a lot of best moves are made. You know, saying I'm not laid out point by point blow by blow. It's not playing, you know, so I expect to see y'all Again, we gonna make history take history and take history Already man, but I wanted to ask because I remember the last time when we were in Chicago and When we went outside we saw that young man pull up and was talking to you and you all you gave like a full blown I would say a sermon or lecture right there. And then how often does something like that happen? I Ironically like one of our matches we say our work calls are 24 hours a day We work for the people the streets is our office in the sidewalks and gangways That's our desk and the brothers and sisters you see at the most on the corners of my secretaries and that and that's not No cliches, you know, it's sort of way like as I look forward today like we can get like a real deal like a reality show with no like From not a bird's-eye view from the Black Panther Party Cubs view, you know Just I can't can't make it up, you know saying cuz again, that's our office There's a reason why I'm late coming here today calls from Cook County jail, you know, and this brother was just talking about You know you say how he's He's he gets him even locked up since he's 18 years old He's 30. He's uh, oh, he's 49 years old now. He sat me say He got he looking forward to getting released in a couple of months and doing an interview There's actually how do you feel, you know, you know going back to society, you know Some of your fondest memories and he said before hey, he even came he thought he's gonna talk to me he say he actually told him he say and Listen to the politics with chairman Fred, you know, and he said it. I said, yeah, I feel like oh But he gave vivid details when I would In the basement of my mother's home and with the V8 the VHS for the younger The VHS tapes and with the Panther Party, you don't see the footage And you know, brother's reminding me one brother reminded me one time So I mean we got a physical rumble because he was he was laughing at the clothes that they had only he say And I said you kind of took it personal we got into it. Yeah, and I said man, he's catch feeding people You do laughing they close And it's you know, this um, that's why I try this, you know Struggling like documenting all this stuff, you know, because again and I Tell him about the word that I do subjectively, but you like no actually the Black Panther Party did it is Unconventional ways of doing it and I think we don't say not people see certain actions, but it's it's been like We refer to a state sanction Everything we do is revolutionary. You know since on our terms, like, you know, so our titles You know, so how we you know, we share a free organized rainbow coalition a lot of people You know, so they they they forced us to be subjected to robber rules or orders or the speedy Queen's English, but It's a it's a cleansing process to be able to fight on our own terms Even it's Malcolm X said even our mistakes belong to us and that struggle for self-determination And it hikes the contradictions in opens and moves removes that ceiling where people go saying they don't have this fear factor You know, so to make mistakes or you know, so be to organize and this in the politics gives us the ability to see This was a biblical turn. They say remove the film from your eyes To be able to see different dynamics, you know, like as opposed we front like I tell cats We we organize a tribe troops on the Black Panther Party Cubs as this is 1992 as opposed to a peace treaty And you know saying and the terms are used not just in those slick soundbite But just to put the put in his correct political context like not a young cast recently say gang gang now those are fighting words You know say the offensive words Some people don't know so, you know knowledge is power and if we can educate these younger people of what they're doing They might do better. No doubt about it. You know saying like you see other respective communities They take issue about stress about the significance of words in turn I'll tell you our community at all. It doesn't you know use words so loosely loosely when we talk this, you know Say we we we we a lot to We regurgitate regurgitate reactionary whether it's like sticks and stones may bring up all the words never heard me But that's not that's not true. You know saying so even the even it's the organizations You know, so you see the dynamic like a Climate during the black power movement in the 60s with a black stone reigns became a semi came a black peace star nation Devil disciples get up publicly and say we now renounce them You know as the black disciples due to the political education received me chamber friend black at the party You see the vice-leaders the free medical center you see the music you see with James Brown had up the end He was also here to come out with a trap, but when you see but when you see these organizations who started out With the the purpose of helping their community Helping people and then now when we asked some people what you think about these organizations now I'm not talking about your organizations, but those organizations in a general and a lot of them have drifted away from the original Purpose that they were created from you know, some of them are whether they include violence in it as they They concentrate more on that than really just helping their people as much. What do you think about that? I think we should first start start the clear premise and not to be idealistic idealistic take a lot of these organizations You know send I mean just being organized like organizations are natural dynamics natural phenomenon You know, so we had an Africa tribe. It's not necessarily Our case it wasn't necessary to go help the community out. Just just being in the certain community you you you You could you connect with each other? You know sense? That's that's a that's a natural phenomenon natural phenomenon And the deal is we any Minister you repeat you say power fight for power power is the ability to define phenomenon and make it act in desired Matter power is the ability to define phenomenon and make acting desired matter a phenomenon is unusually then they could be scientifically Explained and we've seen the case of like the church where in that turn the scene to do an arrow channel slavery the church was a phenomenon He defined it and maybe say he said can praise the Lord past ammunition without in our communities the respective organizations We have to we talk about music to my hip-hop street organizations any phenomenon we cannot afford the luxury just to say Organization say we must recognize something that lot people refuse to acknowledge that there's a war waist on us They don't you feel the terms like core and tail pro count intelligence program It's a old saying you even economics a lot of times we say just get our money together would be alright It's all it's all accident goes when you don't tell black folks were two nickels together make a dime What was gonna make it a crime? So we got to come through the door You don't see what a clarity. I'm saying to every that you're saying all you paranoid you tripping Not so not cool speaking places. Oh, here come chairman Fred He always want to blame the white man of the government and we do I got to ask you this though And and and it's something else when you start to look at it. You've been seeing Kanye and what happened? Just the the way that They did you know, they say he was a billionaire not they say he ain't a billionaire no more just on the dime of Conversation he loses this deal. He loses that deal what type of a Situation do you see forth from him on a situation of what he spoke on and Who holds the power? Okay, we we even the stage in the game that we can even you know Be in that conversation in this conversation be in that conversation. This is there's something even For some you know some from all walks of life. In fact, um, was it was the Jerry Seinfeld? Yeah, it's a his response to Dave Chappelle's skills and I like he said he said well, he said he said there needs to be a Conversation, yeah, see one of the disadvantages that us I know South our communities in particular have it's a non-acknowledged war. I mean that it is other communities have the luxury slash Excuse me advantage slash disadvantage of an acknowledged war what I mean by that when you talk about Nazi Germany their turn You'll say it's a knowledge Holocaust political prisoners so on and so forth. There's Vietnam and China it turns like propaganda bombs the quote-unquote music These choice in my bottom with any West we refer to no propaganda bomb You know what I'm saying? What's happening in Chicago a case Iraq in the other place the term with genocide would be acknowledged You know what I'm saying if that was 55 poodles white poodles that came up dead in one day in Chicago National emergency be called from saying so there's a Even when former US ambassador Andrew young when he when he slipped up and said they were political prisoners in United States They put the pressure down and he had to back up You know what I'm saying the US even refused to acknowledge the contradiction You know Sam in other communities they even talk about the opium crisis now what happens in the white community Yeah, when it's us is dismissed you follow I'm saying so even back to the heart of the question That we in the stage in the game today at least acknowledge You don't send the question of power because a lot of times In our community have been forced to have a reaction in response who came many people can't distinguish money from power Yeah, yeah, I'm saying catch me tomorrow. I get all this resource even he'll even Kanye himself said it took they say that dynamic That dynamic of today don't say I spend the two billion dollars. What do you say? You with the Las Vegas lost the money or you made a bad business deal somebody in power You know I'm saying that that not only with the question economics the question What you'll say what sort of music was offensive you can just say like you saw racism You don't feel all how you want to feel with the the dynamical power who can impact your sin the minds and hearts the people And how do you stop you say all into my politics, but everything is political Food clothing the shelter has distributed how you receive it even impact the trickle down impacts what they refer to as a term I have issue with we have issue with black-on-black crime They'll say how do you want to have black people in particular our view is the writing danger feels of all races for the younger generation Right, right danger feel all committee who this thing was natural. I don't get no respect I'll get no respect It's it's actually that you feel comfortable that you can do the bills and it's not all like you say we start to the home You cannot negate the external factors. I'm saying and everything we talked about man major shotcaller Ari Emmanuel. Yeah, who said shut it up. Who's who's by last one of his biological brothers? Why I'm a man you were the former mayor of Chicago Every when they come down to it you seen a we on the heels of we refer to as reactionary times You know what I'm saying? This is a you can correlate it To that of the 60s, you know saying it was when the Black Panther party was they not hiding certain contradictions You have certain reactionary elements you follow saying and you say to move forward to a revolutionary climate You don't say well what people start revolutionary climb what people are asking questions and conversations like you know What's what's the ingredients in this in this food? It's in my community. Why why that sodium in in the cans my community. Why who? Who calls the shots with the deed is who's behind like it as opposed a lot of times you just you take it for what it is Fage value, you know saying any you say that you gonna see it and do a revolutionary times You see a different sort of athlete a different sort of comedian You know I'm saying you can't come with just some some simple You know saying reactionary whether you've seen in the 60s. You don't say what Annie was being up Well, you'll say right up in sale people who was who was in the sausage factory You know saying we earth a kid saying right in the White House Actually, I'll send the president in white. What's what is your son position? Is your son over in Vietnam fighting? It wasn't No position you can push the size and that's that political stuff music Relationships in fact chairman Fray was said the best-dressed brother was one another Jack in the 45 You know I'm saying you said it was a dynamic It wasn't it wasn't relegated who got the most money the sort of movies sort of conversations You know Sam and linen rush of Russian evolution, then it said what takes people 20 years to learn in ordinary times They learned in two years in revolutionary times. Let me ask you this Will Kanye be able to establish himself back as a business a prominent business man in in the game? First of all, I'm not in position humbly don't say because the deal is That we each one the deal is This is humbleness. I'll tell you it's embarrassing being oppressed Okay, that's in this and I'm telling from home no oppressed community But the the turn the lights on there's no sense. I say no one has had the battle to heighten Who's pulled the strings and the deal is the height in the contradictions with the people can you say? When we say power to the people that's not just some sort of abstract cliched term There was a climate where the people can make this in who you who we want and who was the artist You know I'm saying who was the representatives as opposed to the state sanction representatives in attack You know say like it was like in the 60s. I'm gonna correlate this and then prior to the black power movement There was certainly leadership quote-unquote leadership in certain state sanctioned individuals who are given to you and America's definition Diplomacy is letting others have their way. In other words the facade of you thinking like yeah, I chose that We go look in our community the sort of Organizations that they were given to you you think yeah, that's how we where they come from So I'm saying so you see a climate like you seen in Mike Browntown aka Ferguson Would the uprising start happening when people start saying no This is the spokesperson for us and you know saying utilizing various forms of technology on say I don't Gotta go along with the new fact to the point with the ruling class the main mainstream media They will start quoting with the masses what social media said. Yeah, boss. Yeah, you flip the script Because he wants the people recognize that that power base is like in India In India when they train the elephant in India if that elephant sees the train a step on a step on a paper cup If that particular elephant sees a train a step on a cup and the elephant steps on that cup That particular elephant has to be destroyed or transferred Reason being because he's gonna basically matters. Well, wait a minute. He won't get back with the rest of elephants a day I Ain't you know, you know math class, but I've seen the results of that cup when I step on it And as opposed to the training step on it's no way he pulls you back here with the softball with control enough I'm saying once you heighten the contradictions You'll be surprised. You're saying the field to the man the man in the movie Judas the black Messiah That part with the former director FBI Jaguar portrayed by Martin Sheen when he said over this I think now So that's how the pigs mouth not the horses about the pigs mouth This is document where they said that the black Panther party We're talking about the group that basically range from brothers and sisters range from 14 to 24 years old They said a black Panther party rivers is the number one threat to internal security of the United States of the Civil War Yeah, chairman before he was chairman for his FBI found stop these 14 years old They know our potential Let me ask you this and I got since she brought up to you I'm gonna ask you about something about Kanye. I wanted to say okay, so With all that he said and how it opened the eyes of many people Do you feel like it will cause any change or people it'll just blow over and go back to what it was Let me say this you get the background was we say the black ground They know we don't say they know absolute. Okay, let me look the past history girls. It was a situation years back This is a response to we refer to as hurricane America. A lot of people call the hurricane Katrina. I Made this I've made it talk about this when we record it, but down it We had a conversation. You don't say what Kanye was this years back the boarders bookstore And I was you know saying I was talking about the real center the world artists and I gave I gave me example I talked about even certain people had to spotlight on them This is this is a aspect of the Black Panther Party code of culture. This is actual code We have when we talk to artists and sweet and we've been doing these are we not coming on groupies and nothing We we going to win these different forces certain points in unity You know I'm saying we don't you don't just relegate our politics to some quote-unquote conscious circles So when I imagine what that is there are too many of us and sing sing for some castes We told about some bling bling right so I'm telling him the history about people like burn that Devlin Republic Army how she's given the keys to new to the keys of the city New York She turned the keys over to the Black Panther Party I was later shortly after that when he made a statement about you know saying about George Bush not like them black people So I'm saying so I'm saying this a lot of times we we look at struggle Look at the climate changes. You know saying like when I say climate change Let me be very clear because I do not go to sit different cities. I say what's the climate right? It's cool. They said no when the chairmen say it was a cloud everybody understand what the political climate right? It's different dynamics. You know saying reactionary elementary. I'm saying it's like a meal. You like we made that meal stand out We made the 60s. You don't say what I do say the watch rebate and just happen because A police hit is one way. No, it's different dynamics What we caused the uprisings and out of you don't say you have to put in context feel Marsha George Jackson You don't say different different attacks. You can never negate the different This is you so even the tax they come with it the heat in fact we say So it's a chain reaction It's a combination of things he turns he turns more than me black with that with that match with that That's when I close black. You know saying that's a lot of assessments. You're saying certain heat You know, so you just came take out certain statements of certain acts. You say whoa some dynamic had to happen Michael Jackson first it'll make a difference. You black or white When he called that case It's to change. They don't really care about us. You know what I'm saying? It's a cat called me yesterday from Cook County jail. He running down point by point You know what I'm saying? Damn. You remember all this? Yeah, the heat is on you. You know what I'm saying? So you so these so a lot of times we even struggle like even I'm impacted by the dynamics that happen my prenatal care You know what I'm saying? As opposed to Dr. Stepher's code with Chicago police department's revolver put them on my mama's pregnant belly Eight and a half months. That's my first American history 101 You know what I'm saying? So these so the deal is the all you're saying not to have a subjective assessment You know and not like in revolutions as many as we've previously said it's not a a dinner date It's a protracted struggle. You know what I'm saying tug and pull So ain't no absolute. You don't say what we at now because believe you do the McEvellian system You know, they'll flip the script. You know what I'm saying? They go send to make the criminalize the victims and to read to redirect your assessment You go into my man. We talk about this. You know to get some Some concessions to some to somebody else or to another entity. Oh, we've we made it. So it's a constant battle. It's a constant battle Let me ask you this when you uh, you you just mentioned about the father the father about Your mother having a gun put to your stomach when you was eight months old when you was eight when she was eight months pregnant um How old were you when you kind of? Understood what was going on with the way that the you know, like the officers and the way that that that they were You know that your life could be in jeopardy anytime and that they had already assassinated your father Like like how old was you when you really it clicked for you? I can't I can't really sit when they call it the aha moment. Yeah. Yeah And also we have to be distinguished as Stephen B. Cole of the black consciousness movement said that black people in particular Must grasp the ability to distinguish intelligence from the ability to articulate So it always was a basic understanding Okay, I'm saying like, you know, okay, man poli sent your friends. They're not coming to get no cats out the trees You know I'm saying yeah, and you know in remark I mean, I guess spending from school from writing about chairman frayer Really? Lots like people tell you when that happened. Oh, I think I was I think third third or fourth grade I think you was right about right about you. Yeah. Yeah, and it's always I was like like like lots of people talk about now like man, you know, man this system says what you got some breaking news And so it's certain things that was You know, like a given to you know center But but that the ability to articulate the putting square context, you know saying the arm of the politics It's it's been it's been a process. You know what I'm saying? Because again, you none of us are detached from the outside community Like I have an issue when people say that just as long as you do what you're gonna do in the home Everybody's straight. We all impacted by imperialism You know I'm saying the politics of inferior margin George Jackson say capitalism not only affects the economy But it affects the psychic of the people this and to be engaged in the conversation with other people You're saying I mean I mean castle saying man. He think he back in the 60s. You know saying he weighed back in So that limits your ability to move forward certain assessments. Yeah, let me ask you this like like when you're um Like when did your mom? explain to you About safety with the police or safety when you go into school Did she start that I she had to start real early with you because it was it was a shadow I've accused my mother comrade Who was my a1 from day one? I I joke with a Nazi, you know, sometimes I think maybe me you like was subjective You know I'm saying because stuff like it was a given and I just I'm you know, we have thought that Other people didn't understand like new Malcolm X was new with the police through to you You know I'm saying and dealers you we cannot we can't we can't be subjective because the reality is Stuffed it like as a child like even some things that you just see like go and get ice cream Yeah, I would have to wait when ice cream truck come down I had to I had to sit back and make sure it's not a good you my screen truck Yeah, yeah, yeah Because good humor was used by the federal government to you're saying to help frame chairman freer for the They say he took 71 ounce of ice cream into the children So this is conversations like like you know like and how much time did he get when he did that when they arrested him for that They they sentenced they they uh sentenced, um He's faith. I think the match is up to be 20 But he got out I got out on appeal bond in august or august 13 1960 69 And that's when they up the ante so they had to take him out because he got out on he was out on appeal bond it was Possibly to be taken back in lately simple because you you still still fighting the case But I guess you can correlate it also with certain kids growing up a certain, you know, Say like it was a big thing some years back in uh this child in the philippine smoking cigarettes And he like man, that's that's that's crazy that baby smoking cigarettes But it went over there and they see all the tobacco ads and they see all This is all the babies doing it over here. So you follow it. It's a climate that I grew up in that you know saying like Discussions of africa. You know you don't say the discuss you don't say but again I was the the pride of the outside The community see like when the nipsey house when he told me when he went back to his homeland Yeah, you know say when he talked about it richard, how they would call the dawn They would shut the whole city down the family come you know saying they you know saying they they pray that impacts you Yeah, you'll say you have people talking about that. Even uh, uh, the jewish community tomorrow that friday is known You don't say you don't call the depra you don't say in a certain time and stop what you're doing They come pray, you know Our communities i'm using that term loosely. I sold these stabilizers A lot of us have an issue with structures. See we're fed certain things like structures bad, you know saying A lot of times people's first contact is structured from the state Man, one of america's policies is to create chaos then restore order. Yeah, you know what I'm saying without structure You don't say we say chairman fred minister minister minister the official you've been doing This ain't no ego tripping that So I'm saying there's just checks and boxes. I'm chair. I'm coming from chicago was one of the most Organized structures only segregated structured place. You know what I'm saying if that Crack chicago was the last major city that the governor was able to bring crack cocaine in They had to kill kill from these dogs and lock up chief molly aka jf4 Distable and when you don't send you destable take away the communication You also the transit taking destable at no strut in a family in the household you come and say my god use the bathroom Oh, do whatever you want to do, huh? No, that's the bathroom man. Yeah, so I'm saying a structure So the structure man, it keeps checking balances man I gotta ask you about this because we in houston, man um I just want to ask you about That we you know, we uh, we lost uh, uh one of the one of the major artists here, uh take off, uh a few weeks ago And you know you guys in chicago, you know, I remember when we was in chicago and we interviewed you the first time You you uh, you basically told me that had been I believe 20 some almost 30 shootings that just that night, you know alone But when you hear of an artist this be, you know, I know did you hear about it when you was in chicago? What had happened would take off here in houston. Yeah, what does that do? You know, what is what is that? You know, like how does that look is it just it's our our people, you know Sometime, you know Is it because of the oppression and the place and the pressure that we've been put in to put us to these Positions where one might be angry. We don't know the groups of people who are hanging out late at night Or who are doing we don't know. How do we organize? I love the fact that you speak on structure Because that structure is so important when you're dealing with lives Especially when money and power and all kind of stuff is pretty much in the midst of evolution You know why you're dealing with these situations, but how does that what is that, you know rap? Rap is a musical thing. You mentioned nipsey hustle another one that had been Been, you know, pretty much assassinated in front of his store By you know, and it's black on black crime. What do you say to that? Well, first I'm with the latter part of you know, I you know, I have an issue with the term black on black crime You know, you know directly indirectly. Okay, the state the system is you know saying pour the strength pour the trigger We can correlate to we told my rwanda, you know, a lot of people a lot of people have a reactionary assessment Just say well, who tools just couldn't the two seasons and negating how the french the belgium, you know saying Had exploited Class contradiction, you know saying in the gate that did what came over the radio broadcast right before this Plane got shot down and wonder what you'll say who brought the big knives and she's getting to respect the community Who came it on and took what's one respective side of the community and say, okay now You're gonna judge the ones that was used to kill you at first. You know what I'm saying? See our communities are a crime scene In a criminal psychology say the first thing you have to do when you go to a crime scene is what who benefited You know what I'm saying? See like we be so emotional calling. We just oh man, son. So it's kill. So you Check our emotions. It's pulling our emotions. Check us. Yeah, it's not. I said, whoa, wait a minute, man It's the same entities that's benefiting of this bloodshed. You know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, who benefited if it was just one or two cases. Okay, man. Okay You go lost vacancy man that machine right there every time somebody go there man Ain't nobody never won every time these different You know saying in chicago these artists signing mysteriously quote-unquote dying At some point in the stage in the game, you say, hold on man It's something going down with this here man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah It's even if it's directly or indirectly in other words See once see field monster george and say capitalism not only affects the economy But it affects the psychic of the people how we deal with each other. I read like our relationships. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you look like you like okay, they acknowledge them Listen up to a day the system. Yeah, the string pullers doing the the pandemic doing the pandemic They talk about the divorce rate how they start going up They they they didn't just say all of a sudden these people are scorpios and virgals there They said man this this situation is climbing. It's impacting relationships. You know what I'm saying? Yeah But with us we they flat us or something we did in my own No, you can't negate the outside circumstances. You we just want dawg. You say no The weather when they kidnapped us they said, okay, we're gonna put this on on virginia You're gonna put this on tobacco fields You're gonna put this one in the cotton field not because they are sanitary on the queries They take the the the history or DNA when you come from all that when they target us They say, okay, this the go-getter So I'm saying and you said the climate you'll say so the certain things are cool certain things ain't cool You're a certain dynamics. You'll say how we did relationships. You know, you can literally you can really connect the dots To certain types of periods domestic violence to you'll say infiltration the type of music They say, um, the eyes of brothers are responsible for a lot of babies being made. That's real talk That's really the the music the music You know what I'm saying? Look at the type of quote unquote. I'm like the type of quote unquote No, they don't quote the type of propaganda bombs that they drop on us You get one of these shows give them fall seven in the morning call Detroit call cleaning call LA call Chicago They say man, you get the same you they feed you the same slot So you just before eight in the morning you ride you you can rape kill shot This for eight in the morning these propaganda bombs being dropped on you You know what I'm saying in vietnam the vietnamese or how these propaganda bombs where they would drop them in particular They would drop them in saigon white saigon. That's why the black soldiers concentrated that the propaganda bombs will bust open It'll be leaflets in there. They say why are you over here fighting this war? They go they just your government just assassinated dr. King. It's just assassinated chairman fread You know what I'm saying? This took away so you got soldiers up in the foxhole said, whoa, we'll be over here. You know what I'm saying? It impacted them This this is war tactics Yeah, if I if they told you this type man go turn the one in white radio stations It's a it's a white dude called pastor Mike Well, he said the words them to quote on croissants. He was like, man, you said, whoa, it sounds different from what I'm saying You you you can you can you can pull man. You couldn't play that type of Go to a dog kennel go to a dog kennel and see you can play that to them dogs It wasn't one dog. Let me go when the bosses come in to fight It's a it's a hold on man. Who who the child gonna listen to? I'm saying when it comes else, you had this reactionary ready. Oh, don't make a difference. What type of that's nonsense This war this war ways don't in a wall draws in a wall guns in a wall games. It's one of black asses, man Wow, so when you look at the the music and what's being said and the way that the things are being launched This is where you start to see the uh, you know the the different things that are happening Um, let me ask you. Oh you what you got? No, I know you guys Yeah, I wanted to go back to um School a little bit when I think about because I was asking someone earlier. I said, okay. When you were in school Did you ever learn about? Um, fred hampton the history and we're like, no, they don't teach that stuff in school And I'm like, why not it's history. It's black history So this was something that even in when you were younger in school. It wasn't taught No, and I'm clear why I wasn't you know what I'm saying And are they teaching it now? No, we in fact we we struggle with we struggle with some different schools now To implement that we have an actual uh, uh Education curriculum that came out of Judas and the black Messiah and say the hampton house You know, so it is so we even it's elementary school right across the street from the hampton house in maywood Or the same school that he chairman fred as a child attended So we try to get that there in other places. So we it's a climate now where those questions can be asked a lot of times You know what I'm saying? We just it's taking this as a given Right, you think you're right. You know what I'm saying? Especially black, you know what they call black history I'm like even in that month that month can we get that? No, you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna get your back. You're gonna get your Michael Jordan You know what I'm saying? You're gonna get your athlete You're gonna get they're gonna give you this and no disrespect a lot They're gonna give us the more palatable individuals. You know what I'm saying? It's bad because they feel like if this knowledge is shared you might have an uprising. Is that the reason why you have a difference You can you have a different sort of a child different sort of a demeanor you have a you start finding you start connecting You know disrespect the rows of bars You start connecting that this is the clothe at coven This y'all sister you don't say who didn't want to talk about you know since she's pregnant She's die skin you start you say hold I can relate to her. You know what I'm saying? It becomes a problem. You start connecting to some cats 14 to 24 years old You start hearing some real deal war stories about a cat who was saying who in may will the FBI called My grandparents telephoned to be tapped when he was 13 14 years old to the junior N. W. A. Speaking seven three hundred members in the seven hammer tap here You start hearing about this cat who went down and seen white people in the mayorals part of swimming And said man ain't no black children got no swimming pool and challenged him when 12 years old Went down to the police station took some branches Carboard took two or three students with him protested the police through tech gas canisters at them He took the live tech gas and threw it back in the police station. You start hearing that you said whoa, wait a minute So no you're not going to talk about that. You're going to force feed them You'll see you'll force me. They'll say these other in these these these Stop these state saints and spokespersons. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna you're gonna tell them this this mythology that you have to wait to a certain age and talk about politics You know as well becoming second nature in nazi germany Excuse me the victims of the victims of the gas chamber in nazi germany They respect the community considerate child abuse if you don't tell your children what happened in the gas chamber, right? Wow, they don't feel the script or they don't feel the script on us that it's child abuse to tell your children What happened? Yeah. Yeah I gotta ask you about the uh, you remember when we was in chicago, um, we went up to the park And the park, uh, of course the pool was shut down the recreation was what you know Chairman fread hampton the park. Did they ever Open the park back up as anybody did anything to try to get to the park. That's on fifth uh Quality people go uh, the aquatic center. We we it's been closed for Decades it's different clothes for decades because I didn't know when we got there I just seen I seen his name and I seen all the statue. I seen his statue. Why is it closed? Why is it closed? It's before the pandemic the position was a lack of funds and they had first of all, they had no lifeguards We wouldn't have got some we got some cash I should go get to get their certification become like god. So all this part of hiding the contradictions So now it pulls me in process now. We're looking at in fact We talked about the next august 30th for chairman fread street party. We put we plan on having a pool party there It's a it's a it's a more progressive people there now Uh Man you may would it's technically 21 blocks There were people who just even asked a question They even know who you know saying don't talk about them. So we we up and then we need we need to support the people Help us keep that pressure on them. You know saying that they got to be open. You know what I'm saying his name right there Because really it's the moralizing for children. They remember that I know adults who talk about no I remember going to that pool had impacted them. So we fighting to push it man But it looked like it was crossed for me the police station or public building. Yeah Am I right? Yeah, so when they put it there How did that how did I all that transpire the history give me a little bit of effect Yeah, the history of how it ends up there and the police station right there Man you there was certain It's a similar to as Malcolm said Malcolm X assessed the initial march on Washington You know initially the the move was from the masses. It was a ground square You know say let's have movement start not from the top down from the ground The mass we from the shut DC down They say, you know planes move we're gonna shut it down Malcolm X talked about the big six. You know, you you say man the ruling class The Kennedy's in the likes they met at the Carlyle hotel You know someone's owned by the Kennedy's he talked about how they said we're gonna shut this down And they said man, they called certain individuals in you know Sam They say man In all disrespect to dr. King Ralph Abernathy so on And they said man, how can we stop it? So we can't stop it. So the ruling class they resorted to what can't stop it Do what co-op it? Okay, what it down change it makes something to be yeah That was that was a part remains in attempt to hijack the legacy of the Black Panther party We it struggles going on right now with different organizations right now They have created and funded different groups until my end to my man in state of the north, Chicago That's why your the people's political muscle Has to be tightened up to the point to be able to recognize the real the real deal from counterfeit You know what I'm saying? So that was so that was different concessions put and they would they would they'll read the change the word here You know what I'm saying? So the water chairman Freya down like the black people We fight to put this correct political context. You know I'm saying when you say chairman Freya, it's not ego tripping It's putting the correct context. This is a structured organization You know what I'm saying? This is a checks and balances You know, so we had to do after the military defeat of the Black Panther party You know some black power movement military defeat different from ideological defeat because I logically they won They came through there was a class piece. You know something they brought certain movies in they brought certain sportspersons in It was a clay. I'm saying was certain certain questions were not asked You know I'm saying so you can mention certain names, but it wasn't connected To what they really were you know saying so you see the consciousness we're hiding in the contradictions You say come on who was chairman Freya? Why they don't want us to talk about these four to see When we move the system with a lot certain concessions We have to be clear lots of we get the concession mixed up with the gold We have to really to friends for non said to be able to accept the concessions without compromising our principles You know I'm saying the legacy of chairman Freya. We want to uncut in the rock no shape I got a question. So when we watch The um Judas the black messiah the story of back then the black panther party starting up and so forth How has the black panther party progressed or excelled from back then till now? tug and pull The black panther party curves is the organization that I'm under the chair It's the organization's canon legacy the black panther party. We do call this we uh, so mark, um you have to uh Kind of I think uh most dev not know what y'all seen baby asking about the state's status of hip hop You say you have to look at the status of the community also So so it's it's vanguard party as revolutionaries. We have to always Put in the context. Will we hit the people like a lot of people say What happened back then with the black panther party? We'll happen to the community We cannot negate certain attacks such as crack cocaine, you know what I'm saying Locking us up. They hit us with some they hit us with some hero she must you know what I'm saying There is certain so it's certain setbacks that we've had to you know, certain discuss You don't say with a certain propaganda certain moves. So it's tug and pull You're getting released a protracted struggle and I like this is another term that's I said earlier What takes people 20 years to learn ordinary times they can learn two years in revolutionary times So you can that's how you can you can trigger and you can pick back up with certain What's a certain gang? People say oh, we addressed this before so it's so we gotta You keep the memory bank strong and so it's tug and pull. It's a protracted struggle Because um A lot of people Okay, how can people like if they Wanted to contribute to the black panther party because a lot of people support black panther I would love to not to say be a part of it But would love to donate to the cause. How can they do so? Well, I'm gonna put a call off a save the Hampton house So just made the campaign we had save the Hampton house dot org hit that paypal button. They also go to um cash out dollar sign save the Hampton house Paypal uh chairman fred junior at gmail.com via paypal. Let me stress that let me let me stress that Because lots of let's say good intent to be structured lots of uh, it's don't we can never negate There's an attempt to co-opt our struggles people call me all the time. Well, I don't need this group I had a discussion With a young person I ain't gonna say sit the buck on with him take this person earlier And I was just clarifying when I came now to campaign It was certain fictitious that you know saying it was you know Calif institute and I obviously say challenges bust them out. No, I people certain things you gotta I people have to get to develop the political wheel Stamina to distinguish just a real deal the same you know what I'm saying and this young person told me they are Working in the young young young person a lot of potential and I said I said this this this this not this not this You know I'm saying and their response was well everybody means well I said you wouldn't do that. What you you couldn't come in. You couldn't come in the studio And the person saying hey man, that's sucking such hip hop. No, no, no, that's not what they mean. Well You can go in your grandma's kitchen. You know I'm saying it makes a man's my grandma banana bread man No, that's not you bought that from the Debbie cake. What they mean. Well, you know what I'm saying We have to be in us and check man cross some teams and doctor miles be it We also do this on this organization was and remain to be on the text So make sure you you cautious when you support who you donate to Not a lot of people do something do your research And it's really it ain't no really difficult thing. You know, so you could pick up, you know, like on cast on the street They know to pick us a man That's a dummy bag of dope. They ain't a real dope cast can go to man, and they ain't no real gangster They know we don't say they ain't no real you're saying they ain't no real podcast Your your your survival skills when it comes to our movements All of a sudden you won't be liberal yourself. Well, if we don't not all because the governor It's really tell-tale signs. You know, so you can pick up on it. There's a definition for the Black Panther Party There's a politic to it. You know what I'm saying? Even when there were internal contradictions within the Black Panther Party can't see a man watching That's a partisan Panther Party member. Yeah, I'm on uniform. It's a see It's until Chicago the structure's been corroded, but there's a time a kid ain't gonna have more no colors enough Oh, man, that's just one such such man That's the you know what I'm saying your practice of that structure You know I'm saying and you do you do with legacies, which is more Legacies and lies where the legacy is more important in your life. Let me ask you this I'm gonna ask you about Jeff Ford and Larry Hoover, Jr. Uh, well Larry Hoover senior like, um Some people say, you know, if they let them out of prison That it would cause change some people say No, the people wouldn't listen to them in Chicago, you know, that they would the youngsters wouldn't listen wouldn't understand wouldn't know Um, what do you feel about that situation? No, no, no, no issue. No contradiction in our community Can be limited to just you know saying like that. See see our times the system they do they force us in the absolutes I call them And this like I don't talk about you but I times the system try to put forces into state state state's attorneys questions In other words, you know, they they ask you a question and you force. Well, did you was you there at nine o'clock? You be like, yeah, I was running. Yes or no No situation our community our conditions are contradictory. These are too complex But you cannot negate you know saying the dynamic man the dynamics of just even With these the impact of the These two individuals in particular, you know, sir, uh, mr. Ford mr. Hoover, you know, like it was a Moments that we have some months back. I mean in fact, you know saying um protests about political prisoners And you've seen some brothers and sisters who would demoralize. I said these crackheads They would do that's telling you to moralize They were going through some struggles And you've seen them brothers with them dinners when I'm sitting there saying free free man Malik when I say free mr. Hoover You've seen them cast come alive You're saying these castes, you know, you're saying you've seen a backbone straightened up You know, I'm saying this is certain in an animal channel. There's a national geographic They had these elephants going through they call musk. It's like puberty. Yeah, they bump in each other They brought a bull two bulls down They had the bulls they had to check nobody they that they call it With me with me with the pheromone. They have prizes alone. You see the elephants tighten up. You know what I'm saying? A climate you know what I'm saying? So the deal the dynamic of it, you know what I'm saying? It's just like even the movie avatar to my who certain things A certain individual stand up it changed the atmosphere. You know what I'm saying? Yeah So so you can there's the importance of certain just even to mention these these these like it's certain Just they know it. They know it. They know it'll bring to know that The deal is the community. You know, I said don't we want to isolate these brothers. You know what I'm saying? Make it like this the only because that way You set the stage for something to happen. Let's take us. Oh, it's them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? But no, it's the community. You know what I'm saying the people But these these are these are major Components. Yeah, and I respect the community. Wow Like Trump Trump himself. He is an individual man. You know what I'm saying? You can't say Trump did a certain thing but the atmosphere. Yeah, he can't he don't even know what Trump's saying Yeah, you have a different type of dynamic in Virginia. Now you see people who Do some motion when you talk about no voting you see a bonus in them. Yeah, you say that Trump was speaking the old way dude. She sucked at that guy. Yeah, you can't Trump that battery pack Yeah, and I agree with you that with with with because It's a time where Lara Hoover senior. It's it he could be released. I talked to junior about it Jeff Ford, you know been locked up a long time I think also that it bring it would bring a positive light To our communities to them young brothers. No doubt to them old brothers up there to see our people You know, man, free a lot free. We want to get those brothers know that about it. Yeah Okay, um I know earlier you were talking about the importance of really doing your research in anything that you do Um, I know some people out here because people are always talking about you need to go out and vote But I know a lot of people who when they go and vote it is go in and mean and mind mode I just vote for whoever because they're supposed to vote. They don't do research. Um Do you think it's important to vote and vote the right person in? Again, no absolute I know I don't I don't say I'm being vague with these answers. But no, there still is Do we do we use it or is it using us? Like, I mean, what is it? Some years back this whole thing did to a voted that Opposition we are issues with that. You know, I'm saying we have major struggles with that You don't see no position in our absolute to nobody, you know saying They're like, you know, it's in a really some some sister. They never even in the relationship And she said well, I'm going out with somebody Okay, who it is Guys get the word like man that she she me that wash up. No, she go it's a guarantee. She going out one of The politicians take that position. You know what I'm saying? They go vote. You know what I'm saying? The deal is maybe we maybe won't you know what I'm saying? But you have to we Kind of flip the script we told politicians. What is your position on african anti-terrorism bill? What is your position on political prisoners? You know what I'm saying? What is your position on reparations? We have to become a force to be reckoned with to though You know what I'm saying? You can't even if you ain't got it. Don't send the image out like, okay I'm a go for whichever you know what I'm saying? We have to up the ante You'll say that they don't feel comfortable coming up on some talk show pulling a bottle hot sauce or they purge back You know what I'm saying? They don't feel comfortable. You'll say what playing some gospel songs some rap song You'll say look at the interviews they bring as I suppose person You're just saying so could you imagine the politicians bringing us a woody island for them? Say you show a supposed person We have to up the ante not community like man did They they're so arrogant with our community Damn a lot of us You know at least they suck me there go make up a lot. They they're gonna come through your parade You're gonna vote for them. You don't say you're gonna do one of us. No, we have to man up the ante It's certain certain certain things come with us You know I'm saying and I don't go pick your usual suspect your state section supposed person and say that speak for us Because some people just vote for people who look like us especially if they're in in that seat They'll vote for somebody who look like us But a lot of times are they really voting for that person or they're voting for the person that's pulling their strengths Lottas is Emotionalism with us reactionary was popular. You know what I'm saying? They can we can just hear the name Lottas, we came to associate like the guy told me one time say chairman Even with the media lottas. I he say one time I was in this Bud Billiken parade and I'm I'm speaking and his brother walked up to me. He's involved in electoral politics He changed he says something the way out state, you know saying something something about I don't even repeat what he said He said something to the effect like just the best thing happened since slavery was in So I put him to the side. I said, man, I'm sorry for a minute, man. I said he don't never Say that nonsense. You know, I'm here. He said chairman freed. I respect you He said but watch tonight on the news Watch what gets on the news. He said they're gonna have me on now And then that and that night like news He called me so you watch it. Yeah, and he played him He said you gotta I see we gotta stand brother. I can't do that though Because they'll say they take that that'd be my sound bite from my life. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of times we just was regurgitate we are even right now We gotta seize the time what I mean, but it is it's a even if we have differences with you Ain't no gift wrap revolution. They are no perfect allies There's a certain sort of conversation that's happening now people are discussing Makers of gym shoes the music industry follow saying we have to so we so now you understand You gotta we gotta go past the elementary man. Who that's man. She just fits. Oh, man. She got a bad ass Come on, man. It's a different type of conversation. You got to come with in relationships. You know what I'm saying in politics We are not you know, Sam. This is We man the terms which are okay, man. I disagree to the black and the part. Okay. What you're doing Ain't no no just no slick talking, you know So the channel for a color or the lot of cast the intellectual masturbation Lot of kids like to do it on the end living color just says a bunch of words in turn Which are concrete issues and that's with everything. That's what that's the uh Entertainment athletes it was a climbing in the 60s. What athletes the athletes Would say how can I stand with the people? Do you know what I'm saying? Mom at least I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna say I'm going to fight and we're going I'm not gonna fight fighting in Vietnam You weren't subjected to a climate where you was fighting to get a person to get Get him a job on the corner back football field. So I'm saying the script didn't flip. Yeah So I'm saying it was a climate where nipsey russell Talks about he said ma'am doing he said ma'am doing a comedy show man This lady come up in there man. She pregnant with some bad little bullets across her chest He can't embellish that part. He told my mother. He told my mother. She's 18 years old She walked up to you know saying she's 17 at the time She come talk to him about the black path the party program. He make a joke about he said man I told him I'm not giving away no money for no guns the next morning I put an envelope under the door for a free breakfast program It was a climbing Richard Pryor comedian genius Richard Pryor talk about when he went on stew He came out On the new year of new years in late 60s told the chairman for it and took them out the dinner and donated to the free breakfast program It was a climate with comedic genius Richard Pryor December 29th in Long Beach, California 1979 Say hold on shut the lights up Turn lights up. Let me get me this u.p. Newton right here Fact fast forward dc. Y'all fly. I don't know. Do you see everything I say that Chicago? Yeah, he he see They took that time when it stayed and you'll say he sees the time because it was a different type of comedy We got to come with you know saying yeah, yeah And that's the state that's we had to see so the mediums entertain us the athletes You know say we have to reward those who do the right things repercussion for those who don't man Hey, man, that's Fred Hampton jr. Chairman Fred Hampton jr. How did Okay, explain to me chairman explain that term to me before we get off the set I'm the international chairman of black panther party cubs This is uh When I we relate to democratic centralism You know nothing plain lamest terms similar to the black the old said the black panther party. You had you had the national chairman Who? Chairman barbie sear you had the national minister of defense minister u.p. Newton Chairman fray was a deputy chairman for state of Illinois largest chapter black panther party This is a structured organization checks and balances. You had the you had you had the minister of education You know saying minister of culture checks and balances your structured organization We have the black panther party cubs. We have ambassadors international fairs. We have a deputy chairwoman of the Brazil's who we're gonna call what's happening in sau Paulo right now You know saying not what song pop into the politics. What's going on the favelas? You don't send the cumbos. We also checks and balances We have our local court in the new orders, Louisiana two o'clock do 18 years in that golden penitentiary Structure checks and balances. You know what I'm saying? I'm the chief. I'm the chief theoretician. You know saying the visioner How? However, I relate to structure. You know, I'm not a dictator. You know saying I'm a We we we we serve the people I'm serving the people and it's just a structure like it's certain like even in the movie We struggled that they they change like when old neil was Conjuring with your money chairman fray did not just throw people out of the party You know what I'm saying? It's checks and balances. You know saying and that's so we say chairman It's not just something or that's his son. You can't no no no no I could man. It's been kept checks and balances checks and balances structure structure. Yes, indeed Man and our people need it bro. Hey, man We need it and we got and I got to tell you thank you. Thank you for always Standing in the gap man for the people being a servant. Thank you I think the people you know what I'm saying because while the people Didn't I'm dead in the game. You know what I'm talking about Hey, we just love you man and we're gonna keep on loving you man and thanking you And me and you gonna continue to have these conversations the Lord say the same I'm gonna come to chicago like I did last time In the summertime So hey man, thank you so much man. How can people get a hold to you if they're trying to uh, you know Man, hey, give us some speaking engages out there chairman fread speaks at gmail.com I don't say I'm give my team tiger people recording my speaking engages not chairman fread speaks at gmail.com With a support y'all can again hit us a chairman fread jr. At gmail via PayPal Cash out dollar size say the half the house I love that movie that I got I got to ask you about feeding the the homeless The people who come by I got to ask you about that we came there last time I seen outside the I mean, how's that whole man? People, man, we put there the war stories that happened with that. I'm talking about, you know We write what was referred to as a food desert The food 24 hours they were certain that people come get the food and just to test them off I want to I just it could be a movie a documentary made just off filming that People some of my indigenous comrades or the tiny house war just came back from the native community They was talking about just a man it's on the reservation. They were telling me y'all should come see the actions of how was And people say how you feed how people gonna get food and still maintain a dignity. You know what I'm saying? That's that's humbling. Yeah come get food I said we do certain things like we do barbecue in the front You know certain play the music we win people so you can still come in with your your your back bone intact Yeah, yeah, man, that's hard man. Hey, man, we love you man. Love y'all right Chairman fread hampton jr. Back on boss talk one on one once again It's going down before the coming back before the coming back Hey, man, it's been another great segment of boss talk one on one. What a boss is talk and we are right on