 Live from Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE, covering Red Hat Summit 2019 brought to you by Red Hat. Well, welcome back here in Boston with the BCEC as we are starting to wrap up our coverage here of day two of the Red Hat Summit 2019 along with Stu Miniman. I'm John Walls and we're now joined by Ashish Badani who is the Senior Vice President of Cloud Platforms at Red Hat. It's been a big day for you, hasn't it, Mr. Badani? Sure has, thanks for having me back on. You bet, all right, so OpenShift 4, we saw the unveiling, your baby gets introduced to the world. What's the reaction been between this morning and this afternoon in terms of people, what they're asking you about, what they're most curious about and maybe what their best reaction is. Yeah, so it's not necessarily a surprise for the folks who've been following OpenShift closely, we've put the beta out for a little while, so that's the good news. But let me roll back just a little. Sure. I think another part of the news that was really important for us is our announcement from Milestone that we crossed which is a thousand customers, right? And it was at this very summit and the Cube definitely knows this well, right? Because we've been talking for a while. At this very summit in 2015, four years ago, that we launched OpenShift version three, right? And so you fast forward four years, right? Now the diversity of use cases that we see, spanning, established apps, cloud native apps. We heard Exxon talking about AI, ML, data science that they're putting on the platform. In a variety of different industries, is amazing. And I think the way OpenShift 4 has come along for us is us having the opportunity to learn what have all these customers been doing well and what else do we need to do on the platform to make that experience a better one, right? How do we reimagine enterprise Kubernetes to take it to the next level? And I think that's what we're introducing to the industry. Yeah, yes, yes, right. I think back, you know, four years ago, Kubernetes was not something that was on the tip of the tongues of most people here. Congratulations on a thousand. I hear what's 100, 150 new customers every quarter. It's kind of the current rate there. But what I've really enjoyed talking to, you know, I've talked to the CIO and they're like, okay, we're talking about digital transformation. We're talking about how we're modernizing all of our environments and, you know, OpenShift is the platform that we do it. So talk a little bit, you know, from a customer standpoint, you know, the speeds, the fees, the technical pieces, but that outcome that, what is it an enabler of for your customers? Yeah, so excellent points too. So we've seen wholesale, I guess, complete digital transformations underway with our customers, right? So whether it's Deutsche Bank, okay, you came and talked about, you know, running thousands of containers now, wearing a whole bunch of workloads onto the platform, which is, you know, incredible to see, whether it's customers like Volkswagen, right, who talking yesterday, if you got that, about building an autonomous, you know, self-driving sets of technologies on the platform. What we're seeing is not just, you know, what we thought we would only see in the beginning, which is one, build some, you know, cloud-native apps and digital apps and so on, or, you know, modernize some existing apps and bring them on the platform, but also technologies that are making a fundamental difference. And I'll call one out. So I'm in a judge for the Innovation Awards, right? We do this every year. I have been for many years. I love it. It's one of my favorite parts of the show. This year, we had one entry, which is one of the winners, which is HCA, which is a healthcare provider, talking about how they've been using the OpenShift platform as a means to make a fundamental difference in patients' lives. And when I say fundamental difference, right, actually saving lives, right? So, and you'll hear more about their story, but what they've done is be able to say, look, how can we detect early warning signals faster than we have been, you know, take some AI technology and correlate against that and see how we can reduce sepsis within patients. It's a very personal story for me. My mother died of sepsis, and the fact that they've been able to do this, and I think they said the reporting, they've already saved dozens of lives based on this, right? That's when you know, you know, the things that you're doing are making a real difference, making a real transformation, not just in our actual customer's lives, but in, you know, end users and people around the world. You know, what you were saying earlier too, Ashish, about looking at what customers are doing and then trying to improve upon that experience and give them a more, I guess, a more effective experience, whatever the right adjective might be in terms of what you're doing with four. If you had to look at it and say, okay, these are the three pillars of this that where I think we've made the biggest improvement or the biggest change, what would those be? Yeah, so one is, you know, to look at the world as it is in some sense, right? Which is, what are customers doing? Customers weren't deployed to a hybrid cloud, right? They want choice, they want independence with regard to which environments they run it on, right? Whether it's physical, virtual, private, or any public cloud. Customers want one platform to say, I want to run these next-generation cloud-native Microsoft-based applications along with my established stateful applications. Customers want a platform for innovation, right? So for example, we have customers that say, look, I really need a modern platform because I want to recruit the next-generation developers from colleges. If I don't give them the ability to play with, you know, Go or Python or new databases, they're going to go to some Silicon Valley company and I'm going to deplete my pool of talent that I need to compete, right? Because digital transformation is about taking existing companies and making them visually enabled. Going forward, what we're also seeing is the ability for us to say, well, maybe the experience that, you know, we've given existing customers can't be improved. How do we, for example, give them a platform that's, you know, more autonomous in nature, right? More self-driving in nature that can heal itself, right? Based on, for example, there's a critical update that's required that we can send over to the air to them. How can we bring greater automation into the platform? And it's all of those ideas that we've got based on how customers are using it today is what we're bringing to bear going forward. All right, Shesh, one of the areas that we've tried to help customers parse through the language is everybody's talking about platforms. If you look at the public clouds, you know, everybody's all in on Kubernetes, you know, a few weeks ago we were at the Google Cloud event and we talked to Red Hat there, you know, there's Anthos, there's OpenShift. Look at Azure, we have Satya Nadella up on stage and you're like, okay, well, they've got their own Kubernetes platform, but I've got OpenShift fully integrated there. Can you help us kind of understand as to, you know, how those fit together because it's an interesting and changing dynamic? Well, it's a very Silicon Valley buzzword, right? Everyone wants a platform, wants to build a platform, you know, Facebook's a platform, Uber's a platform, Airbnb, everything's a teaming with a platform, right? What I really want to sort of focus on more is with regard to, you know, we want to be able to give folks literally an abstraction level, right? An ability for companies to say, I want to embrace the transformation. Before we get there, someone's like, well, what's the transformation? I don't even understand what that means anymore, right? My simple definition is, you know, just basically flipping the table, right? Typically companies spend 80% on maintenance, 20% innovation, how do we flip that? So they're spending 80% innovation, 20% maintenance, okay. So if we're sort of thinking in those terms and say, let me give you a way to develop those applications, spend more time and energy on innovation, and then allow for you to take advantage of what I'll call a pool of resources, compute, network, and storage, you know, across the environment that you have in place, some of which you might own, some of which some third parties might provide for you, and some of which you get from public cloud, and take advantage of innovation that's being done outside, right? Innovative services that come from either public cloud providers or ISVs or software providers, and then be able to do that in a very rapid fashion, you know, develop, deploy, iterate quickly. So to me, that is really fundamentally what we're trying to provide customers, and it takes different forms that we're trying to package in. Maybe you could explain the Azure OpenStack seems different than some of the other partnerships two years ago when we were sitting in this building, we talked to you about AWS with OpenShift and that partnership. So, you know, what's differentiated and special about the Azure OpenStack integration? Yeah, the Azure partnership is a good question because, you know, we've now taken our partnering with the public cloud providers sort of to the next level, if you will. With Azure, there's a few things to play. First, it's a jointly offered managed service from Red Hat and Microsoft where we're both supporting it together, right? So in the case of, you know, running OpenShift and AWS, right, that's, you know, OpenShift directly delivering that service, right? In this case, it's Red Hat and Microsoft working closely together to make that happen. It's a native service to Azure. So if you start on the keynote, right, you could use a command line to call OpenShift, you know, directly integrate into the Azure command line. It's available within, you know, the interface of Microsoft Azure, right? So it feels like a native service. You can take it to other Azure services and bring those to bear. So obviously increases developer experience from that perspective. We also inherit all the compliance certifications that Microsoft Azure has as well for that service, as well as all the availability requirements that they put out there. So it's much more closely integrated together, much better developer experience, native to Azure, and then the ability for the Microsoft sales team to go out and sell it to their customers, you know, in conjunction with Red Hat. You know, you talk a lot about different partnerships, right? And bringing this collaborative open mindset to each and every relationship. How hard is that to do? Because, you know, you have your way of doing things and it's worked very well. And yet you go out and you have these new partnerships or extensions of partnerships. And not everybody with whom you work does things the same way. And so everybody's got to be malleable to a certain extent. But just in terms of being that flexible all the time, you know, what does that do for you? So we take that for granted sometimes, right? The way we work. And I don't mean to say that to be both full arrogant in any fashion. I had an interview earlier today when the reporter said, why don't you put on your page that you're 100% open source? And I said, we never put that on a page because that's just how we work. We assume that. We assume everyone knows that about us and we're going forward. And he said, well, I don't know. Perhaps there are others who don't know. And he's right, right? You know, the world's changing. We're expanding our opportunities in front of folks. In the same way, right? We've only and always known which to collaborate with others in the community. Before we fully embraced open stack, right? There were certain projects that Red Hat was investing in that were Red Hat driven. And then we said, hey, maybe there wasn't as much community around it. We're going to go down and embrace and fully participate in the open stack community. Same as the case, for example, in Kubernetes too, right? It's not necessarily a project that, you know, we created our own, you know, in conjunction with Google and many others in the community. And so that's just something that's, you know, part of our DNA, right? I'm not sure we're doing anything different in engaging with communities. Just, you know, how we work. So Ashesh, I know your team's busy doing a lot of things. We've been hearing about what sessions are overflowing, you know, down in the expo floor. So why did they give us some visibility but there was one specific one I wondered if you could start with. So down on the expo floor, it's a containerized environment and it has something to do with puppies. And therefore, how does that connect with the OpenShift for if we can start there? That's a tough one. You're going to have to go and ask the puppies how to make a difference in the world. So we go from Kubernetes to Canine. That's what we're doing here. I do believe they're comfort dogs but there was coding some of the other stuff. So give us a little bit of the walk around, you know, the expo floor, the breakouts and the like and some of the hot areas. Yeah, yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, so maybe not puppies but maybe we're trying to herd cats close enough, right? Safer Tourette. The amount of interest, the number of sessions are with sort of OpenShift or container-based technologies, cloud-based technologies. I mean, it's tremendous to see that, right? So regardless of, you know, whether you see the breakouts that you've got in place, the customer sessions, I think we've got, you know, I don't know, over a hundred customers, I think, who are presenting on all aspects of their journey, right? So to me, that's remarkable. Lots of interest in our roadmap going forward, you know, which is great to see, right? You know, standing room only for OpenShift 4 and kind of where we're taking that. Other technology that we're interested in are, so the work, for example, we're doing in serverless, right, we announced an open-source collaboration with Microsoft around something called Cata, the Kubernetes event-driven auto-scaling project. So interest in kind of, you know, how customers can engage around that as well. And then the partner ecosystem, right? So you can walk around and you can see just the plethora of ISVs, right? We're all looking to build operators or have built operators and a certifying operators within our ecosystem. And then it's, you know, ways for us to expose that to our joint customers. I tell you, we're going to cut you loose and let you go. The floor is going to be open for a few minutes. Those puppies are just down behind Stu over here. Well, let's go check that out. All right, thanks. I hear you can adopt them if you want to. Before we let you go to see the comfort dogs, 1,000 customers, you know, where do you see as we come back a year from now? Where you are, where you want to see it go, you know, show us a little bit, looking forward. So there have been some news around Red Hat that have probably happened over the last few months. You know, all the people are sort of hearing this, probably have a sense. I look at that as a great opportunity for us to expand our reach into markets, right? Both in terms of, you know, industries, perhaps that we haven't necessarily gone into, that other companies have been, right? You know, perhaps we say it's manufacturing. Perhaps this is the opportunity for us to cross the chasm, have a lot more trained consultants who can help get more customers on the journey, right? So I fully expect to see our reach, you know, increasing over a period of time. And then you'll see, if you will, iterations of OpenShift 4, and the progress we've made against that. And hopefully many more success stories on the stage. All right, look forward to catching up next year, if not sooner. And congratulations on today. And best of luck down the road. Thanks again for having me. Good to see you. Yeah, likewise. All right, back with more on theCUBE. You are watching our coverage live here from Red Hat Summit 2019 in Boston, Massachusetts.