 not in core IT like programming, but in something else. Okay, that's great. I think we have a good mixture. So, first of all, I'm not sure how it was for you, but since writing in the 13th of 2015, I have been to a couple of events, like child theater play or something, and they felt obliged to make a note on the terrorist attacks, and how we are all against terror. So I'd like to do something similar, but in a different way, because exactly one year ago, when the foreign attacks, I gave a talk in Paris, and it was one, actually, by a lecture conference, and laptop was about mostly a paper from Jean Youngblatt, a paper from Jean Youngblatt, 12, I think, in Buenos Aires, and he's a media theorist with a lot to say about centralization, decentralization, and how he developed in the last 100 years. And he talked about how the media developed over the last couple of thousands of years, for example, if you're in Germany, and you are in the U.S., maybe in Germany, but also a lot more. And what he actually says is one of these news sites when you get to participate in this kind of program. We are actually creating ourselves in the image of what is presented to us, right? We are basically becoming part of it. We are sucked into it. And he basically says, you won't change something. We actually need to succeed in this program. We need to do something else. So that's why I wrote on this course. Just to give a bit of my context, so you can actually interpret what I'm going to say during the talk, I'm going to say some positive things about your projects, which is maybe not totally expected. You also need to say some positive things about how they're distributed, how they're going to do that. And that might be because I have participated in three proposals for your projects. And by being lucky, by maybe working with the right people, so all of them accepted. So it's kind of changed my view on this probably a bit. It's all great. And you know, it's easy. The other thing is that I also, since about 20, 25 years, I have, on the other hand, co-created several open source projects for the last 25 years. And I have also taken part in community spaces to organize. Many interesting things happening there. My background? When you think of the EU, what you are in front of me, 80 billion, it's actually 78 billion. You are actually in front of me. How do you make it fast? How do you make it fast? You just get it. And I think that the thing that money, the money, the money in itself is an end. Yeah, happy to just have it and do it. It's on the one hand, I think it's fine to have money and it's so beautiful. But on the other hand, I think that if you only believe in money, and have it like this, it's a bit odd. It's an engravement that says virus in numerus. And that means, it's a number, and it says that it's strong in numbers. And it's not only about bitcoins, but also about the IT society that has grown a lot in the last decades. I think that these big numbers are very good. They measure everything, measure popularity, and everything is possible. And it's also a very big criticism. If you only look at these numbers, if you only try, society and other people, you almost see them in numbers. One of the first people who really discussed this, who discussed this, about 2,000 years ago, that was Aristoteles. There are still many things that were discussed at that point, which are still important today in our discussion, in our thinking. And one thing he discussed was what makes money with society. And one of the information, one of the examples he gave about this particular topic, was this information from a friend who just became a philosophy processor. He told me that Aristoteles had already talked about the value of money. How can you use it to do something to keep the number of large amounts of money? He saw this in Athens over 2,000 years ago. 11 days ago, my child had the time I was preparing for this lecture. He talked about death, and I came into this room and the child built this bridge. He found money somewhere and he found this bridge and he wanted, I think it's a good picture. He also started a part of what Aristoteles said. He wanted to see from one place to another. We want to have a different system. We want to understand it differently. We want to have different ways to communicate, to organize. And on the way you need money to do that. But the goal is not to get the money, we are talking about the money. The program, the research program, the biggest of the history of the EU, is the current research program called Horizon 2020. Horizont 2020, and it's seven years. When you break down the numbers, it means that for every day 30 million euros will be invested in projects. So during this congress they will spend 120 million euros. That's a bit more expensive than the conference. Previously we could basically fly to the moon with this money. We could get very far, the whole program. From the idea from the beginning to the testing of the rockets and really flying to the moon, the whole training, everything that was there was a similar area, similar money area. And nowadays some of it should be much easier because we already have a lot of technology. But apparently we are no longer in the position to build a airport now. But one of the persons who did the research was Margaret Hamilton. She was the she organized the software. So when the sand capsule really came to the moon this program this stack of code as a sampler code was on the capsule. As soon as the program was a lot of paper it was a lot of research organization. People talked about a lot of small problems and it was not a big hierarchy. And they did the same with the Manhattan project to build the atomic bomb. And it's the same way they have integrated laser systems. Back in the days, back in the 50s only a lot of people who were working together and said that's our goal. Organize yourself how you do it. And that's not how it happened today. The paper that we do today, the paper that we do today is very deep in the bureaucracy. That's the last environment I want to make. A book that discusses scientific changes is made earlier in this year and that's the Ethiopia of Rules by David Graber and he discusses the big model of bureaucracy and it doesn't matter whether you live in East Germany or in the USA or in Germany it's the same everywhere. The bureaucracy is everywhere and it's getting bigger and you can talk to your mother and we can talk about it later. The software that we write today in the IT systems that really strengthen the bureaucracy. There's tons of people who call centers and everywhere who are basically driven by software. They just speak to the software. They don't have their own and they can't do it themselves. Nobody can decide anything. Everything is driven by these rules and something is fascinating about it. It doesn't matter who I am. My nose is bigger, it doesn't matter. It's just that I can go there and I get what I want. But it helps that nobody can decide anymore. Okay, let's get started. The practical part. Information communication technology is one thing that 20% to 18% of the horizon project basically belongs to and it's part of everything that takes place in different forms. I think it's interesting that the EU has a liberal market but there are other aspects like the goal that they call the goal that is a advantage for European companies and burgers. And what you can see is that they go a bit deeper and that they can open source and like Freifunk for example which also got money and other people. There is an opening which is also the main goal. We have six things to do. If you actually read some of the meta docs and what is also obvious when you read some of the meta docs from ICT strategies is that you see that software is the world and that software is everywhere and that also means that there is another responsibility and that also means that there is a very disciplinary topic. I don't know if or bitcoin people have a good idea of how the story is built and David Graeber who I mentioned before is an anthropologist and he knows a lot about the last revolution that was well researched. But if you talk about IT people and about society then you get a very simple view and that is that IT has become so important that we believe that we know how the world works because IT is important and because you get so much money and I think that is very dangerous and I will come back against it. In any case, these six directions are a explain what is taking place on this congress these six things and it fits perfectly. Let's see what actually works what I call the application environment. I would like to make one note before the main explanation about the project that I started it started with the conversation with people when you have a network network like here and last congress I did exactly that I went to the congress and talked to a lot of people and it's a brilliant idea just to talk to people randomly and you find something out the application for the EU what the ICC published is a two year program and a call and it's relatively short a half page in which a lot of keywords are in which a lot of new keywords such as digital social platforms they invested a lot of money last year new digital social platforms and these calls that were published three months before then you can see what they want to publish and if you have someone in context who lives in Brussels then you get more information about the call and which calls come through if you're not interested then you have to do two things write a proposal a proposal and you have to start a short session of organizations and non-profit organizations that can be universities or just companies if you're in these three months then you're in the deadline and you have to write a proposal as a consortium and then it's confirmed or not and now it's relatively short three months before it was nine and after three months you know something that changed and now a lot of small companies what has changed and I think that's very positive these are personal reasons that 10 years ago the funding was 10% no, 50% the EU gave 200,000 and you had to take care to get yourself 2000 and now to make it easier is that they found 100% so in addition you get 20% on top and if you're a small company then you get 200,000 for additional things and that's a positive change in my opinion because small companies get a chance I for example had a small company and didn't know how to introduce people and he made a sub contract and later on I was a one person company and it's very nice because you can introduce people and work flexibly and today paper work is better so bureaucracy but otherwise registration as a company today is only half a day if you write a application then you should know how the check you have three criteria and for every criteria you get up to five points on the one hand excellence that means the project you have ideas the goals you have how they have to be at the current cut especially the area where you work what is the state of the art and then it's about how you want to improve that with this scientific research it really has to be strong I improve this and the system a little bit but it's really something that brings a success over two or three years maybe ten people have to work on it and you always have to be on the edge of research impact is the liberal market aspect the goal is the success of the society by creating a European market and strengthening it in contrast to the bad Asians and the Americans so this idea you will find there every time you have to write how how do you strengthen the market by that which which products could be developed or which more possibilities economic possibilities and then the third criterion is quality and efficiency and that means how good how much money how good the individual partners are qualified you have to create a trust that you don't only have a big idea but that you can really do and that is where you have past open source projects past projects that you have scientists who are involved because you also have to but that is just one aspect you also need you also have to have past work that worked well the evaluation process is a little bit many things that I say positive things but it is meaningful. First of all it is sent to independent reviewers they are not registered they get a 450 Euro per day and they get nowadays they met in a room nowadays they get the proposals sent by e-mail that they can do research on the internet they check that what you wrote fits in the real world and the they try to give up to three to five points excellence, so how good can they be over the state of the art how how much does the economy and third quality every one of you gives up to five points for everyone it gets edited and when two people review the same requirements they have to talk to each other either they convince each other or they make the average and when one says hey the quality is three out of five and then says no it is five and then they can either confirm three or five or maybe there are other people who look at this and conflict that also changes from time to time and also within the call is the part of the difference the sum of the points is up to 15 and there is no limit if you say hey 13 then you are successful even if you have 15 then you still need one and it depends on how many orders for these individual calls are there are usually two to three million for a company then you put in five projects that are 30 projects then they get the best the money maybe the limit is 13 or 14 points depends on how many orders and how good it is the whole industry that is involved in this project to break in on it for example there are companies that offer services how to write these orders for example what many people say in this area about half of the orders are not acceptable at all because they are either very well written because it was written professionally for the 20th time but there is no content there is no excellence for a lot of buzzwords but nothing content and then there is the other extreme where it is a very strong project but it is almost impossible to understand what they really want to do and the structure of the work is completely unlogical and they are just newly achieved a little changed and that is about half of the proposals so you have if you cross these two barriers then you only have 10 to 15 members so the chances are a little better and the thing is it is easier to criticize the EU with all the democracy and all the internal agendas and that is not fair because I was also involved in the program committees where I looked for community conferences and I can say that the selection process in many areas is simply random people say hey, that is a big proposal or it is a good idea and it is not really a transparent process the normal mail you get when you get something for a conference exclusive to this 32C3 is so long it was so many interesting contracts, we had to be very difficult and we tried everything and there was no information about why you were not accepted which aspect was the problem was it not interesting or could you understand what you wanted to do but with the EU you get the numbers and the excellence was there 5 points so good you can be you think there is even a good impact 4 points and you believe that the quality is only 3 sometimes there are even sentences why you think that and in a way there is feedback and then you can say but maybe you have to work a bit more about the employees I know for example that is a very interesting project I know some projects that do not really exist the interplanetary field system that is a decentralized network and a lot of people have a lot of interest in it and there were 9 people for this conference and no one was accepted from the lectures and no one knows why and the whole thing yes the EU is bad and they are inconspicuous and then you should look at yourself and think about whether we make things so much different and we say how structures will develop like hidden agendas and people who will talk and it is different when you are in this position if you are actually accepted with your proposal then it is like you have to implement the project and because you have to plan 4 years if you if you start planning the project who can already think about his life 4 years in advance it is like the people who you see in this project and the people who fall because they get children or who knows you also have to take care of that and of course the only thing to deliver what the EU promised and legally you have to deliver 15 pages there are 6 work packages there are different partners in each work package and there are in this package 3 tasks release of software and similar things and these things that you have to deliver are the legal things that you have to send and if you don't do that then you have to give back the money or you have problems to finish the project in the proposal you give the whole context what is important is to understand the work packages and they only look at what you have to deal with the work packages and if the question is if each part of the partner only does what is in his project or if you work together do you really plan to finish the project or only as a single part and then you have to take care that things are implemented and I am part of German projects and I hope no one hears the part of it and I want to say that the project EU 2020 actually has rational parts like for example if someone can't participate anymore because he has a child then the money will be given to other partners and that is the point where trust and such things have to be done and in other companies if you have to transfer money then it can be a big problem because the intransparent work and if you don't trust yourself then you can't structure the money differently and that depends on the people you work with now an example for the people who went in and the people who went in and it started in January is an example for interdisciplinary technology and a lot of ICC like here at the congress they wanted to have something a research project that actually brings a progress for example what is privacy and anonymity and it is partly a reaction from the EU to Snowden and they saw Snowden and said yes, something has to be done and what we did a lot of people came together the first meeting in which I had part excuse me, one year and three months and the actual meeting where more people participated two in the morning in 31 C3 people just met in the floors who wanted to talk about it and there were three different people from three different countries and three different contexts so background so we met together and heard that there is a call and we have so this is the project that is part of the text from the one from the one-sided call and we thought we take that and we concentrate on the privacy and anonymity part and this is what we did it is something said directly people who participate in the project want to do research de-centralized and privacy protected protocol so there are different peer-to-peer protocols and messaging protocols as well as more transparent connections for e-mail which are part of the project as well as community research and why de-centralized key projects work in the today's market that is not a trivial problem a different project that I just wanted to talk about and that is the Pallet project which I already presented at another conference from the CCC and this project is a few years and this is a project from people who found the call interesting and said we will do it now and then they got the money and the other thing why the EU is happy that this project still works and that the project still takes place at such EU projects and it is normal because it is so that they get the money they do the work over time and then the project is dead the website disappears and you can imagine that people who manage these projects want these projects when you put money in and that they do it because they want an outcome and not just throw money on useless projects and the most important is of course the vision of the project and of course that you would like to do the project without EU money and you are even happier when you actually get the money that the project can implement and survive with it and 10 years ago I have not yet taken care of it but 10 years ago there was in every country in the EU a contact partner in Germany the NKS and the German space travel organization which also works as contact point and what is with these contact points is that they are very useful and that they do not represent the EU but represent the national national states and of course they want the biggest part of the cake and that is the good thing about it and you are not afraid to talk to these points when you talk to someone from the EU it is often much more harder to get useful information and it is partly because of the reasons and the rules and 10 years ago they changed the rules and I think it is or it was a very long time that there is a project officer who tells a project yes yes no problem you asked you could make these changes in the project and then you quote the project manager and then when you actually make the changes then it is not accepted by the legal part and now it is like the person who gave this recommendation for a year then has to give up his salary and that is always a certain problem if you can not say it clearly because it is possible to give this big financial problem if you ask a project officer and also I talk about hacking to get money for hacking I have already talked about bureaucracy there are a few dependencies between software and bureaucracy it is about making the world into small pieces dependencies between these pieces only software is automatically executed and the bureaucracy changes but it is executed by people and when I talk about hacking I mean understanding understanding how a system works how a process works how the rules are executed who is involved in the individual pieces and the other part of hacking is to use this to a good sense but generally the goal is to use it for its own purpose decentralization decentralization how is it possible that the EU as a centralized institution gives money for decentralization how what sense does that make and I will not talk too deep about it but there are a few things that I can say about it one of the things is that many people in the EU they are not talking about what is next and they think that decentralization is a way to actually get a more coherent thing and not so much about the national states and their background to change the culture the other thing is there is a relationship between decentralization and decentralization and it always depends on which environment you are YouTube for example is a decentralized system I can choose which videos I want to watch Google Hangouts for example I can also choose my own friends but because we can look through it we see that in the background one entity is working on it but the social experience is decentralized and it has been going on for a while and the IT development is finally possible that it is not that one entity has to belong these platforms can really work together and work on our own devices if we work together maybe develop new devices then maybe no company who wants to experience the whole value of the social interactions but in the end most people who want to experience the experience with the users then there is the feeling that when decentralization is I have my phone, I can do that and the experience of the people is that it is decentralized and only we know how it really happens how it really is centralized and we understand that people don't have a different opinion and that is one of the things where we have this conference and where other IT companies want to talk about the content is this gated community it is always the Vatican problem maybe less but this conference I was at other programming conferences but we are like the bishops we discuss the world we have ideas which are great ideas that exist and how everything has to happen but there are only certain aspects of it and the other is more horizontal and diverse where you don't have one big idea then maybe you have a single platform for example this conference with a lot of rain and rooms and a lot of possibilities but what really happens is decentralized it is completely our own decision to which lectures we go with whom we talk what we do and what we can learn how we can get out of this bureaucratic system and get out of this people from their own decisions is a big question and a big number of people even in the project official in the EU who want to help us and there are people who are really interested in it more interesting people especially from the content about for example the CCC and that is really something you should try out and last but not least that is the picture I made this morning we have these main horizontal activities big keynotes but big rooms and I think it's all a bit in the shadow of what we call broadcast we have this big broadcast and we try to sort the whole world and to send a very small group of lectures and that is a certain problem that I personally feel and since the attacks from Paris I don't want to read the whole thing that you see in the day's show or in the political scene that is an ideal idea that you listen to and listen to I have written the whole thing I don't read the whole thing about broadcast I don't want to create myself in this picture I want to create my own content I want to create my own content I want to have the time and also the calm to do this to go somewhere else to go to a new place Thank you very much You are always welcome I would like to make an appeal you have the contract hacking of EU funding systems this contract was translated by Franz T. and Fautor Please send your feedback at c3lingo on twitter or an email to lingo-contentatlist.cc.de Thank you very much I also have some questions from the public For example, there are successful proposals I'm not sure sometimes they are only what is the everything except for the everything except for the everything except for the everything except for the the money I mean there are basically hundreds out there It's a very good point, because looking at successful proposals, ideally from a good point, if you look at good proposals, the 15 from 15 points, there are three categories. Excellence, how it's done, when it's in examples. For proposals, you can see how people actually do it. I'm not sure about the proposal, but ask at the national information point, or else send me an email. Are you blogging about it? No, I'm not blogging about it. I only get money. I'm not operating the companies that are advising us. I don't know, I'm not using Twitter currently. I might post something on the blog. On Twitter there's a link for a proposal, which was sent to the public. And there's currently an EU project, where they try to send up to 100,000 applications to the internet. One thing I can offer, which has a bit of a depth, is to talk a bit more about DEF, and some of the stuff that's going on in Congress, and to talk about some examples and background information. I want to know, you said there was PyPy as an example. You said that PyPy was a project. Have you seen any other projects that are maybe even known, that were successful and were even used? Yes, I think there are several open projects, such as Freifunk, or other mesh projects. There's the open data project. If you look for open source, you use it to try to find something. And I think just getting to the point, I would still remember that PyPy was one of the first open source projects. And PyPy is one of the first open source projects that was financed. And there's a section about patents in this regulation. And the project was that they didn't sign up for 0, 0, no single patent. And there's no big resistance. A question from the right microphone. Will you tell us something more? One more question from the microphone on the right. Yes, there are still some information about the dynamics of consortium that are being founded. What are you looking for? For example, if you want to give a role-playing game, you always need a cleric and a magician and a warrior. What do you need for a consortium? I don't know. You already said it. I think you already said what you need for that. A warrior, a magician. I know at least one or two people who are working in projects that think you need magic. Of course, you also need a warrior, but especially a magician. But we want to have money anyway. You also need warriors who fight for money. Even though you haven't done anything, you have to get it done before the EU. You can either put pressure on the individual people who have to work or on the EU to get the money. I think there are many examples of people at universities who are negative. I mean, it is important to find people who want to do things together. That is at least 70% of the success. If you see everything through the lens of CEO's, CEO's or firms, then I would say that is the wrong approach. Of course, I can talk about a few failures on the record. There is no central repository for questions. But at opendata.cc we have published our own application. There are a few more questions. There are a few more questions. We are looking at community driven models like medicine and social systems. How would they look like if it was spread by groups? If it was spread by groups, it would normally be only by the market or by the state. The whole content at opencare.cc is the whole application. Then they can talk to us at night. We are also at the Schreiber Assembly. Very cool. Thank you. You see, it is actually possible. You see, it is actually possible. Another question. How is a small company defined? How are small companies defined? How many employees are hired? I think they are also fine with one person company. I mean, they don't want to have a consortium. I mean, they don't want to have a consortium with one company. They don't want to have a consortium with one company. They just want to have a kind of a mixture. There is one thing I can't say given in this. There is one company which is a ringmaster company. And that is the primary role of the EU. And that has to be an institution which can talk to the EU. And the EU is much happier when universities and firms with the microphone from the left. In the case of this continued impact, I am wondering how difficult it is for a project about privacy or social security in the case of the next lead to a project. How good it is? How did you decide that there is an economic impact? Yes, we just said that there is a demand for crypto software, but there is nothing useful. So the part of the project is of course to give a useful project. And since there is demand, it is also economically important and there are many applications that have millions of downloads that protect private fairs. And so you can say that there is something to do in this direction that you can also connect with tangible questions that there is a advantage for the citizens if you develop this software. And of course you can also make the argument that this helps in the market. No, I mean the market needs to be bigger. Like I said, I mean that's just the framing we are in is actually market liberal. So you can probably go, I mean market liberals also think that the problem with the liberal is, of course, a big, big, large range of people that concentrate on market freedom and more on freedom, but in the end it is all market business. We'll have a quick question from the front right microphone. Sorry, can you please return to the question? That's the country where you incorporate. Yes, you have European companies. You have companies where you incorporate. You have companies in the EU, plus some associated members states. I think it's a really important country. And there's also some other companies that will collaborate after that. They will collaborate with Japan. They will go back as far as the Second World War is concerned. I mean, whatever. And it's Brazil. And I think that the main carriers of the consortium need to be in the EU. You can, of course, introduce people who come from other countries, like the USA, so that the EU is also happy. No, it's... I don't know if there are some managers in Europe. No, it's not important. What's important is that you get a proportional salary. I don't know how they do that. I don't know if they just enrich more proposals, but there's a pretty big support industry in Germany, or many activities that qualify. Yes. Sometimes there are calls that explicitly say, we want to have at least one participant from... They say that they at least have one Greek or a Spanish, but usually it's... There are sometimes special rules for the call, but normally you need three different European countries. Thank you very much, Holger. Thank you very much, Holger. A round of applause for him. Don't forget our feedback on...