 I know, I see you mentioned the accountants, so of course I need to ask an accounting question. Because this is one thing that I have noticed compared to, say, Actories and Accountants, and my brother being a CA, he always likes to point out, is the fact that the CEO positions of a lot of companies are filled by accountants, whereas it's very rare to find an Actory in that top position. Now, is this because Actories are just too smart and they know that that job comes with too much stress and it's not worth it? Or is there something that Actories just maybe lack a little bit of ambition when it comes to climbing that corporate ladder? What have you seen in the marketplace and what would you advise to upcoming Actories? Should we be ambitious and chase those positions? Or are they a bit like beehives, like there might be some honey inside, but there's a lot of stings that you're going to get trying to get it. Michael, that definitely is the case around the fact that in chasing those roles, you as an Actory might, look, I'm not saying anything bad about accountants here, but. No, you can. This is an extra panel. There are often, but never seriously around this question. I think that potentially the kind of person that is drawn to being an Actory or becoming an Actory, maybe in the past, more than currently, the kind of person who would want to be an Actory would not necessarily aspire to being a CEO. I do think that things have changed. The youngsters that I'm seeing coming up through the ranks are a very different breed to the older Actories in insurance companies. And I believe that you will most likely see more Actories in CEO positions going forward. That is my prediction. Well, I hope you're right. Kiar, do you see yourself as being CEO one day? Right now, my goals are just to get a job. Maybe one day in the long term. I think I have a lot to learn for now. I think that that is to climb. But I mean, it is something that I would aspire, but yeah, for now, I think that I'll just climb the ladder and see. So it's weird. When I was younger, I mean, there was always the big ambition to, you know, be the richest man in the world and all that crazy stuff. And that's why when people said, you know, you earn a lot as an Actory, I was like, yeah, let's go for it. But then after seeing, you know, in Joburg, you learn very quickly, especially with thieves and robbers and stuff that you can lose wealth, you know, at a, you know, just snapping your fingers. So I kind of realized that there were more important things in life. And it's one of the things Jordan Peterson talks about in his one book, where, you know, because people ask him, they say, do you think it's wrong that there's more men in CEO positions than women? And Peterson's view as a psychologist, he says, no, that's because women are smarter. He says they understand that the amount you have to sacrifice to get that CEO role, it's not worth it. And he talks about how, you know, once you reach a certain level of salary in order for your life to change, you know, go up to the next bracket, you know, to go from like four star hotels to five star to go from eating caviar and, you know, that next thing, it's such a massive jump that you have to do. And it takes so much energy and you have to sacrifice so much family time and side hustles and hobbies to get it. That he says it's not in his view, it's not worth it. So I like that answer because it's a nice way to then reply to the accountants and say, you know, and they're like, oh, we're all the CEOs. I'm like, yeah, do you really want to be in that CEO position? But of course, there's it's I don't know, there is a weird thing where, you know, there is that dream or that aspiration to be like a leader in one of these top firms. But it is something that I am starting to see, you know, the fact that CEOs do have a high turnover rate and you see people age very quickly when they get that role, it's it's also something to be, OK, what's the long term implications of taking this role rather than, oh, look at the big short term perks I'm going to get, you know, bigger salary and it's going to look good on my LinkedIn profile, if I say CEO of something and something. So no, it's definitely something that like I said, plays at the back of my head and a bit of like a tug of war every now and then, you know, I'm I'm switching sides. So that's where I really do appreciate hearing your advice, you know, what you know, what is the best way to to move forward.