 We assisted him with our home dollars and he actually has finalized his projects. He is 100% least up and he's over and that project falls over in the Edisto community here. So we're extremely excited about that and hopefully we'll have more homes in units to come forth. Before it's our hopper, we assisted 93 households for tenant-based rental assistance and we assisted 528 persons with supportive services, used our hopper dollars. We had 100 persons receive short-term rent and mortgage and utility assistance and we disperse a total of $6,557,560 in hopper dollars. Before it's our CDBG, let's see, maybe that's it, but I want to share this. With our CDBG CARES Act, we did support OBO assisting some of their recipients and actually saved 17 actually full-time positions by providing additional dollars for them and of course we have completed 43 single-family homes utilizing the CDBG disaster recovery funds this particular fiscal year. Any questions or concerns? I did and I know we're not going to, not to go into any details, but the $2.5 million for ARPA to be addressed as a part of the September 18 funds, is that a, are y'all addressing that in that or is that going to be a separate handling, separate, okay, and that does not have to be included. This report is for the fiscal year that just ended for that reporting period. And then only thing, I just wanted to make sure we put on the record page seven, community improvement projects, Belmont, Brandon Acres, Cedar Tears, just folks like to hear their neighborhoods, sometimes they don't know. College Place, Colonial Heights, Milrose Heights, Old Shandon, and then Pinehurst Community Council. I think that I participated in a couple of the College Place ones, so I'm grateful for those. And those are really good for the community because I like to see the community cleaning up its community. And I think it encourages other people to do the same. Any other questions? Thank you. Thank you. Do you need us to take any action if this is just on the record? On the record? All right. Oh, and there's no one here for public comment. Oh, I can't do it. No one's here for public comment. I just wanted to put a record that we did open it up and there's no one here. But thank you all so much. Is that good? Very good. Great work that y'all are doing. I appreciate it. We will next move on to, for committee discussion, we're going to, I'm going to turn it over to Councilman Roe Brennan to discuss Columbia Town and Gown Committee. Fantastic. Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. From our last meeting, we introduced the concept of the Town and Gown Association. And we asked staff to go and take a look at what that structure might look with the core tenants of working in coordination with city universities, city universities in our neighborhoods to really focus on neighborhood quality of life issues and in smart growth initiatives around the schools and around those neighborhoods. So today we are going to hear what staff has put together from Ms. Peyton Lang, her official title is Policy and Programs Advisor, and Krista Hampton, the head of planning. The International Town and Gown Association is right up the road in Clemson, so I imagine they've been a good help giving us templates to help put this together. So I'm excited to get an update on structure and timeline and how we can move this forward and really bring everybody to the table. So I don't know who wants to start. We kind of split our updates up. So since you tasked us with beginning the process to look at how Columbia could adopt this, we have met with USC, Ms. Best, I believe, is here representing them and kind of talk through what some other communities have done, what existing community groups there are with universities to ensure we're not duplicating exactly and kind of discuss within partnership the best makeup for long lasting partnership with the committee. And as you can see broken down is our current makeup under discussion. We wanted to, number one, I will say bring it to you to make sure it captures the vision as you asked us to report back. So just to walk through that, we have each of our college and university representatives here with a preference for a president or their designee to be active. Five city of Columbia representatives capturing Columbia Police Department planning and development code enforcement parking in the mayor's office. The asterisk designate since the mayor will be the co-chair of this committee. This is an ex-officio position unless he's not there to keep it at an odd number. And then for neighborhood representatives and it's proposed for the clusters of communities around our Columbia neighborhoods to designate who this will be. So kind of influencing partnership there as well, because we feel like those communities need to be the most represented someone from the hospitality sector as well as transportation. And this is kind of work fluid on the numbers here and making sure we capture enough voices but not make it too complicated. And then of course our co-chairs and that's kind of the first order of business getting that structure in terms of what this will look like. And then from there, here are some topics for subcommittees that have been discussed such as planning, safety, transportation and parking, off-campus life to really capture that off-campus housing and talent pipeline discussed as well as community engagement as our students are part of the community and hopefully transitioning into them. So that's kind of the initial conversations we've had. Wanted to bring that to you and I will let Ms. Hampton take it from here with the formalized side. Certainly so the frequency too, it would be, the frequency would be anywhere from three to four. We're that, we're green. So thank you for letting me. Just wanted to know the camera was looking at you. No, really, thank you. Well, it may not. That was some scene. And so the frequency would be three to four meetings. So what you all really need to do next, but it does, it is going to require coordination from USC and the other colleges. You'll need to see whether this is the direction you want to head. Provide us some feedback, see what changes need to be made. We need to make sure we incorporate any changes from the university. So we'll have to balance those as well and the other stakeholders. But then your colleagues will need to also endorse this at the city council meeting as well. Pardon me. And our formalize the structure, appoint it as a committee as you have with your other committees. What would be great too is if you wanted to determine a timeline or is this a standing committee. And then more than likely the subcommittees, you will need to go back and forth. Those chairs might, it might be best for those to be designated by the group itself. So that will be another step in the process and formalizing which actual subcommittees. These are the ones that we, I think, agreed. We're addressing the issues and the needs as articulated by the council member, but you see others, but still trying to keep it manageable as well. So what is your feedback? Madam Chair, I'll go first. Is this a model that you got from Towningale or is this something that's unique to the city? It's a little bit of a blend. So we started with multiple local Towningown councils kind of their makeup and everyone does it a little differently. And so the next step that I slightly mentioned is there was a former or current group at USC that engages community members, neighborhood associations. So looking at kind of how they built it out and then incorporating the wishes of number one, the mayor and then council into that. I believe just to go ahead, I know the how many representatives from each school were really unique city to have so many universities and colleges here. So that's one thing that's not found very often. A lot of times it's Clemson and they have Clemson University and then their technical school. So having this, I will say that's kind of unique from our research. But it's very much follows having people from the city, having people from the community and then from the universities. When we discuss this six weeks ago, we were talking about maybe starting off with the University of USC as the participant with some from the city. And now we've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, nine universities there. If we're going to use nine universities, I think we need to have weighted voting voting on that because you got, I think Lenoir Ryan University is not equal to the University of South Carolina and the issues that will be impacting USC will be a lot different than will be impacting the smaller universities there. So I would suggest that we come up with a voting system that would give the authority of this town and gown to the universities that are really the impacting the quality of life that we're trying to control by this town and gown. We can definitely look into ways to do before you come in. And I totally disagree. But you start working on it. Well now, because I did get, I got a couple of calls from some constituents saying we don't agree with just the one university. And so I don't understand why we would do the weighted. I know what you're saying, but we have to be careful. You know how you are Howard. And you know how I am. But making sure that we don't make any particular university or college feel less than than the University of South Carolina. I mean, and I have no qualms my baby went to University of South Carolina, but we want to make sure that we handle it. Because for instance, that may be the primary issue over there, but Columbia College and their neighborhoods. Okay, it's just as important over there. So I don't know if it matters how many people you have or the weighted voting. I wouldn't want to give University of South Carolina folks more decision power. Does that make sense? Because they want it over their part. I mean, you want them to have more control over their area, but I wouldn't want to have control over other areas. I don't really understand that. You got 19 voting members. Does that include the CPD, the planning and development code enforcement, all that? Is that where you get the 19? I think currently stands. Maybe we go back to the, all of those would be ex-officio members and the voting members be the universities. And then you could have a total student population and you get to vote as a percentage of your student population. I think Ms. Wilson had a question. Just a point of clarification for me. And this I'm probably dating myself because in the olden days is Mr. DeVal. I was talking about earlier, but when we used to, we had an iteration of stops and starts of working on a town, gown, formal relations. Which was really based upon ITGA and the, when Clemson first started and the host side and all of that. And I don't know what I haven't been part of this discussion since I was out. But if this, what we're formalizing as a city is sounds like intended to be more broader than what ITGA, I think, prescribes as cities with, a flash of university or a college suited city that is specific to the city and that college relationship. Right. So it's ITGA and y'all's research still structured like that, which I think it probably is. I'm just point of clarification. We're not the intent of this isn't necessarily follow the ITGA model. Which if it is not, then I think the direction y'all are going because we're a college town with a lot of colleges and universities and you're trying to create something that's more inclusive to what we're doing right here in Columbia with them. Versus being a member through ITGA necessarily, which I think we probably still can be a member. But it's that usually is like a city and the respective college or university, which they have all the over the years they've really developed. And they have all of the, you know, the programming and the conference and probably some of the resources. I think that goes back to what y'all were saying earlier. The distinction is that we have several schools. Now, if y'all are saying we the only like, you got to tell me like, I guess, like Miss Wilson is saying we're doing something different period is. So that's a big that's important. I get thankful because maybe I'm the only I didn't go to USC. I had to remember. But if that is, I don't I have no intentions of trying to change the concept of a national program. So I guess what my next comment will be are there is there something in addition because I mean our schools going to the other schools going to be offended. But is there another model that incorporates because you can have both, I think. But is there another model or do we create a separate model? Because again, if this is working and it works, that's great. But we do have to make sure we have something and it could just, I don't know how we do that, but a different model for like to make all of the schools feel inclusive. Does that is that too much work or but but I'm just going to tell you, I know because I've already gotten calls about it. And we need to have something that addresses the other schools. We can always reach out the ITGA and just we're not the only city with multiple colleges and universities and find out what they've done in other areas and how they address that. Well, I think the 900 pound gorilla is the University of South Carolina and that's the one we need to get there. And we know that Howard. Let me ask you, Krista, you know, one of the core, I guess, drives for this is our our retention of talent. You know, all these all these colleges and universities and put out great talent. Do you think that layer is different than the original mission of some of the ITGA stuff that you've seen? Is that is that always part of their mission is we want to roll out the red carpet for our student population. We want to give them the best experience that they can have for them to want to stay grow that small business, start that family, grow that family and contribute. Do you think having that in our kind of mission is different from what you've seen over research in the past? When you look at most of the committees, it really is about communication among these large institutions and ensuring that policies are aligned. I mean, I'm certain that is an auxiliary goal of some of these. But generally speaking, it's about that you have these two large institutions that are sometimes on divergent paths are not communicating and trying to make sure that. So that's kind of my point is that we're we're layering in something that I think is unique to a lot of these associations elsewhere. I completely recognize your your point about communication and growing together campus city. But I think it's very important that we we include not only the University of South Carolina, but the other institutions in some form or fashion for voting. You know, in that, because then goal is, you know, making the best experience for for these students, you know, for them to want to stay. Well, and for me, learning a little bit more about the overall intent, I would almost suggest looking at town and gown. As the need almost for the University and the city. And then talent retention, maybe that being something totally separate that addresses every, you know, that has every school. And maybe that makes it a little less complicated maybe because first of all you narrow down the purpose and you kind of know what you're doing. And you can have whatever the curriculum is or what if the goal is or whatever the programming is, it's the same. And everyone feels the same that's that's just what I would throw out there. Would you all suggest when this is formed having the first group having a strategy session, you know, to kind of paint the picture of what the next five years for an organization like this looks like. Was that recommended at all about association? I haven't seen it in the documents I looked but for any good group, you know, that usually is a good idea to determine what you're what you're going to tackle at least for the first several years. And then your subcommittees as well if you choose to have those can have that same. Oh, let them figure it out. Well, I was gonna say and we do have University of South Carolina represented here. Do we have y'all discussed this at all or have any thoughts or input. We had a great meeting couple weeks ago and just talk to the web. We're back live. Sorry about that. Yes, we had a good meeting couple weeks ago and talked to through all what what Peyton and Krista have kind of briefed y'all on. This is a beginning step and we at the university want to include all the universities in the area. I think we can all find that together we all have different issues, you know, the city of Columbia. And we might have Columbia College like you said is going to have some different issues than the University of South Carolina, but there's going to be some overlap on issues. So we're all still trying to find our way in this and would love your guidance. I think that we have 100% answers for y'all today, but maybe we come back together again and with some more council input, see how we define. We're willing to work, you know, together with everybody in the community. I think that makes us a better community. I think this he probably makes a good point along with Rebecca about maybe some additional input. Have you all actually talked to it? Leadership just for the fun or resources, but not an official meeting. Yeah, it may be timely now to just just ask more direct questions about the structure as they see it and what works best is it, you know, can this structure that the city is trying to create work under the circumstances of ITGA or can, you know, go into the conference and taking part in some of the programming and that sort of thing just be something that we aspire to utilize as a resource. I do think, unless it's changed a lot, the original mission with ITGA really, as Krista said, is about some of the things that I think we have as an office. You know, with Rebecca and the university, you know, ambassador programs and cleanliness and move in and move out and how are students behaving and how are, you know, how are cities making sure their residents understand that they're living amongst students and that university understands vice versa what accountability and responsibility means for students and the university. Well, my memory and my understanding that was the flagship piece of town and gown. I think surely over the years that it's more hopefully to them addressing some of these other really great issues like retaining talent and intention, but if that is what I think you all want to be the focus of this, then maybe you need to build it around the focus and then use ITGA maybe as a resource or also some foundational things that might more apply at times to the university just because of where it sits and what it brings to the table and some of the things we're already working on with our staff. And I think too that the one of the things about USC is it's so broad that you do have residential components within the city which creates the need for the, I mean, not within the campus which creates the need for the communication. And so a lot of the other campuses are not like that. However, I do think that we've started having issues with Allen and some of the development that they're having and, you know, going back and forth. I mean, I can see it different ways. Y'all just tell us what I mean we just want to find a good structure but I think this is because I also try to look at where we have any issues. I'm not going to say the school. The numbers, because the sheer numbers, we tend to have more issues and I think it's because we have the residential that's on the campus. But we don't hear a lot of those same types of issues from different schools if that makes sense. So like a lot of these are out and have their own campus and there is no interaction so there are no problems. So I think it kind of goes back to, first of all, let's be clear what we want to achieve, what that program allows us to do and how we can kind of marry the two. You know, looking at it now, it almost seems like we should just make another subcommittee, the talent retention component with an economic development kind of draft. Yeah, I think that, yeah. And then let me ask you a question. The four neighborhood representatives, the college and university clusters, what's the vision there on the process for doing that? And would it be just, I guess, a more efficient appointment process, one per district representative? What's the thought there? Yeah, we didn't, there's a number of neighborhoods around each of these and so instead of having one from each neighborhood, it would be one from each district. And who appoints that? Council at this point, right? That was the idea. But again, that can, if you all feel strongly about something else. Council appoints those four. Yes. Well actually, I mean, council, let's see, and the hospitality sector. Who else? You've got the two committee co-chairs. So you would do the hospitality sector because there's more than one hospitality sector. Okay. Council, would you make it an appointment one per council district? You got to look at where the cluster of neighborhoods are around the colleges. There are districts that have a lot of impact from the university, mine being one of them, my home, not my district, being one of them. And I would think there again, if we're going to have a representation, it ought to be representatives from people that are feeling the impact of the students. Oh yeah, I agree. And that's, I agree that those impacted by you. I'm just so glad we agree. Well, we're, we're agreeing, but, and the, Right. Is that the, is it about addressing those things or is it about, or about, that's, you know, that's always going to be there. But this is about talent and attention. I know that that matters as much about the, you know, like it would seem more balanced and even across the city. Everybody's going to care about talent or attention. But I don't, again, I'm just, I'm always over here like the devil that is what's your attention. Your first, your first description about how it was when, when it got started is, is the feeling that I have to, it needs to be more about helping the university and the city population get along together to discuss problems, to solve problems. Talent and attention can be a subcommittee of that. I agree with that. That's why I think we need to have either less representatives or weighted voting, because I think the biggest person or group that needs to be at the table is the university and the city neighborhoods. So is that expanding on the group that's already working from the university and the neighborhoods? I mean, I know it was focused on a specific part of campus, but it's spanning it to the whole footprint because there's a group already doing that. It's just not looking at the whole university. And Rebecca, please speak up. Yes, there, there has been a group that is, well is a group that is working in primary. Like you said, a lot of us focused around campus village where the new opening was and said that group is the ambassador program. And so the mayor met with us when we met and he very much wanted to include other schools and university. He didn't want to leave anybody out, but like Teresa has a really good point. Was more university of South Carolina with local folks neighborhoods. So maybe it starts in that and this is a subgroup. I don't know. We're still learning how to make this work, but there is a group already disengaged and working in the neighborhoods and we work with Jim and the other neighborhood leaders. So maybe that's a segment. I don't know, but we are doing. There is a lot of communication daily. And I will know the printing made it a little to the side note, even for myself, the University of South Carolina has been instrumental in helping us kind of form some options. And that's one reason that they will have a co-chair with the mayor for the first iteration is what we're suggesting. So I don't know if that's weighted per se, but you know, that's now two representatives from there in our current conversation. So that's one thing I would add to the speaker. You can make a three minute point. Erica, you got your time. Oh, I got one. Give them Daniel Wells garden neighborhood. I count seven schools. Can you all, I mean, some seven listed seven. I thought you said mentioned nine. I just couldn't count. Yeah. So seven. Okay. I'm there. Okay. What USC is talking issues that I think our neighborhoods or the surrounding neighbors have seen is the left hand. I don't know what the right hands have doing. USC does one thing, but doesn't let your city know the city does something that university know that I think is part of what the town and gown community. So they all talk to each other. And then we've got these subgroups that are working now in the neighborhoods that, you know, so far so good on what university is instituted with surrounding neighborhoods. But that's where I see what's missing is the two major gorillas don't talk to each other. Yeah. So can we, the four neighborhood representatives, this is, this is going to be, is this an ad hoc committee moving forward? I don't know what structure is going to take. Can we just assume that it's interested citizens apply via our applications comes to council and we appoint for. Yeah, I'd say a port four would not limit them to one from each. Right. Right. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I don't need that call though. I am. I'm just going to tell you, I'm totally fine with town and gown being for the University of South Carolina. I can say that. And then we figure out what we do for talent pipeline retention. I don't know if that's really a part of that. I think that's looking, looking back now, I think it is a subcommittee. I think in the application process, you let that resident tell, you know, if they don't live around University of South Carolina, if they live somewhere else, let them, you know, state their case as to what they can contribute. And I think this is kind of where Howard and I are agreeing, but not agreeing. Let USC residents, citizens and students and representatives, they should honestly let them wait in on their own issues, which is maybe more extreme than what you're saying, because Allen and Benedict, honestly, they don't want to weigh in on your issues because, you know, they want to deal with their own issues. So we're kind of saying the same thing. But however y'all can structure that, but do you see what I'm saying? Like, we may want to, they may want to know just so they can see how you're handling things. But I think, you know, y'all vote, y'all, that sector that is being impacted folks on that issue. I would take out the five city representatives as voting members, send them back to the drawing board and let them talk with town and gown international and see how other cities have got them structured and see if you can find a city that's got multiple universities. I mean, Climbson hadn't got room before one. Well, so one quick question. It was the goal to increase communication between residents and the school or the school and the city of three. I don't know if I would take the city reps off. He's just saying, don't let them vote. They're still participating. That's giving our staff five votes. No power. Well, essentially, the only thing that this committee is bringing forward is recommendations as we're voting. So it would have to go through the other silos to get buy-in. I think we have enough to talk to ITGA and bring back a follow-up recommendation. Great. Thank y'all so much. Any other questions? All right. So we're going to move very quickly to the mobile market update. Thank y'all so much. And Jim, thank you for staying under the time limit. We're going to move. So no one told me we had a meeting. I'm sorry. Okay. Who was in the other meeting? And then the ED and I. Okay. So we're okay. Right now. So what's going on right now? Mr. Brown's had a separate meeting with staff. Thank you. I didn't know. My apologies. You all need to go to that meeting. You too invited to that meeting? I wasn't invited. All right. And no one told me so I'm sorry. I didn't know. But we're going to move it along. I'm going to start Miss Aisha triggers is going to give us the update on the mobile market and we're going to get to meet the wonderful folks who are going to be who were awarded the contract. I'm super excited and then I'm super excited because someone told me last night that they also have, they showed me pictures of this grocery store downtown. That was really cute. And I felt like I knew something that other people didn't know. So I really got excited. So I'm going to turn it over to this triggers. Yes. So I came before you a couple months ago to announce the selection and the board for our food and security solutions initiative to Tom's Creek. And I do have Shana Kato. It looks like she's about this. Okay. She's about to leave. Yeah. So I appreciate the food policy committee and all their input they provided for this process. And they've continued to be great partners. Also thank you to procurement for helping us get to this point. So we promised at that meeting that we would come before you again to introduce the selected vendor. So Larry from Tom's Creek family farms is just going to share some information about the business and then their steps moving forward. We're very excited to award this contract to Tom's Creek. Thank you. Couple things on Larry. We have a 200 acre farm out in Hopkins. We started at 2017. We have seven big high tunnels. We grow 365 days a year. We just invested $2 million in the city of Columbia in our store, ma'am. Say that a little bit louder and directly into the microphone. So we purchased the property at 912 Lady Street unit 100 for $1.2 million. And we have invested almost $700,000 into the grocery store. She has been there. She has been there twice. It's where a studio seller was. We actually purchased the basement in 2015. And that's where Columbia farms started. The original chicken hatchery was there. The building is 125 years old. It was actually Hanson feed and seed. It started as Kirkland feed and seed. And then it went to Hanson. We actually brought it back to pretty much the original of what it was. And we have other farmers coming in. My first farmer was in Thursday. Local farmer bringing stuff in. It's not just going to be Tom's Creek. But we're here to talk about the market. The mobile market. And it will work with the store. That's downtown, too. They're going to work together. The trailer has been ordered. The trailer was ordered. I tried to source it locally. And I could not because of the customization of it. It actually has to come out of North Carolina. This is an example. This is an example, yes. So Kroger started this project about four years ago. The grocery store. And they did four pilot programs. I think it was four pilot programs in Boston. And Cincinnati. It worked. We're going to bring the grocery store to the community. I'm excited. So he basically said we don't have dairy, we don't have a freezer, we don't have a refrigerator. Farm fresh produce. More than the grocery store staple items are. We don't have, we don't have a freezer, we don't have a refrigerator. Farm fresh produce. and the grocery store staple items are. We can buy meat, Jesus, South Carolina milk. That's inside the trailer. The layout. So we actually changed it a little bit. The back will be a drop down ramp. You're literally gonna come in, but this is gonna be an awning on the outside. And I'm actually putting an awning on this side with another door because some of the locations that we are working on, it's a little tight to get. My truck and trailer is almost 60 foot long. So I'm gonna make it so we don't have to position it exactly, I'm gonna make it so they can either enter out of the right or enter out of, exit out of the right or exit out of the left. So we can pull in pretty much anywhere. And we'll have an awning on both sides and we'll have an outdoor setup. It'll be completely handicapped accessible. I think that's good on that. We're working with other stuff too. I have a very good relationship with DSS on the Healthy Bucks program. From scheduling issues, possibly. But they are gonna come up to wherever we set up a couple of times and they're gonna present Healthy Bucks, SNAP benefits, everything to the community. Give away some free merchandise, all that stuff. We've, I do Soda City, I've been doing Soda City over this market for almost five years. I have a good relationship with one of the doctors at Almeida Penetration's office, which is in one of the zip codes that we're targeting. They're willing to come out and do free child health checks, something like that. We also worked, my father-in-law, is the, did they get a copy of this? No. My father-in-law is Dr. Jose Hickman from the University of South Carolina. He is in AI healthcare technology. He's a head of care. He, with a team of researchers of masters, students, they wanna come out and do some healthy eating studies along with the mobile market and stuff like that. And I like that too because one of the things that is going to be real is just because you have healthy food to offer. We also have to make sure that folks have the appetite for the healthy food and trying to navigate those waters. But I also will say presentation is a whole lot. And I think that the presentation, I mean, folks are just gonna come in just because they're nosy. Even if you, I mean, honestly, I think because it's so, the concept looks so good. Well, there's an example too. I mean, being 250 to 300 people foot traffic in our store, which is a walking district in the Vesta. Yeah, well, I think that's pretty cool. How many days will you be mobileing? It is three days a week, or it's an 18 month program. We propose to do two sites a day. Now that is just gonna be a trial thing, depending on, we don't know how what locations are gonna work. Right. I'm working with her and- Parks and Recreation. Yeah, Parks and Recreation is gonna help us identify sites and in coordination with some of the events that they have that have seniors coming on site. So we'll coordinate that schedule with them. Yeah, I was working with a couple of the assistant legal facilities. I did a little parking for them. I set up in their dining room. I pulled my trailer in, set up in their dining room. They could come down, they did. Larry, do you have a Schneeburger on your menu? What is that? That's his name. That's my last name. Wow. Teres! I know there was a question before, I think House Winbren asked about prepared foods. We did say you can't utilize, I believe, snap benefits for the prepared foods and there needs to be options for us to have that. So we have a whole, we have a kitchen at the store, at the store that we built. But let me, going back to that question, but there will be prepared foods on the, on the mark in the market. To an extent. Like sandwiches? No, it would be probably more heat and so you're taking baked stuff. I got you. That would feed a family of four. Stuff that I could do. Yeah. I like it. I like it. Yeah. See what I mean. Okay. Does anybody have any questions? I'm really, really excited. That's gonna be a great person. When will it be operational? Yeah. We spoke end of the year, but then we decided that I really don't want to launch a holiday time. Good idea. Mid-January. Yeah, mid-January. With the customization of the trailer, they needed an extra two weeks from what we consented. And I want to get after the holidays. Yeah. I don't want to, it's too, you'll be too kind of craziness. Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year. And the good thing about having a mobile market is people don't spend money in January, but they have to eat. Yeah. So, they're gonna continue to buy groceries. As of right now, we're gonna look, it will be built by the mid-January, mid-Summer. I'll have it done, ready to go. Well, we're so glad to have you here. You're not here. Hey, though, we've been talking about this for a long time. So, we're really happy that we were able to get this to here. Thank you, Missy. Thank you, Aisha. And we're looking forward to anything we can do to help you out there. Thank you. Thank you. Well, Mr. Friend, we're very excited about your new grocery store downtown, too. You guys need to come down and see it. There. What kind of these are? What's the last one? The grocery store. Thank you. We'll be back. We'll be back in a minute for the grocery store. We'll be back in a minute for the grocery store. It's Ryan, it's on Ryan in and out. Is Ryan had to go to the meeting across the street? Across the street. Possibly, but Kelly's here, and... Oh, come on up, Kelly. I'm right here. He says here, so yeah, I think we can go over it. It's okay. Okay, well, no, that's fine. So, the next thing on the agenda, and hopefully we can do it in five or 10 minutes, and if we need to come back, that's fine, too. No, I'm a stinkler, you know. But this is the business license incentive for grocery stores. And as you all remember, the mobile market is something that we thought would be a great temporary solution until we can get some more grocery stores, physical grocery stores, insert some of these areas. And Greenville had implemented a business license incentive program that covered a whole bunch of stuff. Like, they were looking at all of the markets, and I think that they thought they needed. So, staff has looked at Greenville's board of naps and made some recommendations. And Ms. Kelly, what's your last name? Smith. Ms. Smith, can you take us through the recommendations that you all have? Absolutely. So, in looking at Greenville's, excuse me, sorry, in looking at Greenville's incentive program, they had it defined as a retail grocery store. They specified the NAICS code on that just to make sure it's clear for applicants. We did the same in ours. We also went with speaking with Krista's team from Planning and Development and established the business area and the boundaries. And we have listed here the different corridors. I don't know if Krista wants to speak on that at all. Did we run this by these both policy council too? We haven't shared that, but we will. Okay, just make sure they get up because they're the ones that did all the, at least all that research, all the research data stuff. Yeah, just make sure they're okay. We also looked at qualifying business, meaning it would have to be zoned for that use in that area. We looked at retail business and defined it similarly to what Greenville had in terms of selling food for retail, for home preparation and consumption, fruit and vegetable markets, retail bakeries, specialty food products, just to make sure again to keep it defined so that there's no ambiguity there. Special emphasis on neighborhoods that had those food deserts that you had mentioned before, which would fall into those corridors that were established by Planning and Development. We looked at it being an application process and an approval process, not certain on who I would assume that it would be a committee, such as you guys to review that, review the applications or OBO, OBO would review them, excuse me, and make the approval, which would then prompt us at business licensing to kick off the reimbursement. We created another compliance thing that y'all have to look at. Sorry, I didn't know. But I'm glad we have it. Okay, thank you. We established that it would be for newly established and qualifying businesses. We are, we set out here that it would be one time for location, 100% of the business license tax. So you'd get one year back. Correct. Looking at Greenville's, they do, they do five years. So they do five years max total. And they would be able to get that rebate for the five years. We just went with the one year, but I don't think that's the real incentive. So I would look at something definitely more than five, but the helping establish buildings, I'm sorry, grocery stores stay was also real critical. So we do need to keep that because the only reason we're here is because we did have grocery stores that chose not to stay. So I think that's a critical factor. You wanna look at more than five or more than one year? I mean, I just don't think one year is anything. Yeah. I'd like to add Blue Street and up there with Colonial Drive Colonial Drive and Bull Street. Make sure that the park is covered. They already got somebody coming, but okay. What? Because they're always gonna have a grocery store that's gonna come. Let's, I really do wanna make sure we check with the food policy council because it's based on where we need to attract. And I'm not open to considering others, but I wanna make sure we got that park covered where the need to attract is and where we're worried about grocery stores leaving because Bull Street may have three real quick with or without an incentive. Well, no, without an incentive, but we have some of them that may not come. I mean, like it may make a difference. What do you think, Will, am I being, which one of us is way, way off? Well, I think, I think we just need to add to, I guess the incentive package. It's great that we're doing this, but at the end of the day, what's the bait? I mean, if I'm hearing you, this is just for newly established stores. So let's just say it's a smaller, yeah, right. So newly established, let's say it's an adaptive reuse of an old building. They turn it in, think about tax fees if they have to bring in bigger water lines, storm water fees, just stuff like that that, you know. Make it some more. Yeah, that we as a water utility, right, might be able to work with them on. I think that's the big driving number, getting up and running. And a lot of times, if they're gonna have a, I guess a prepared foods component, we put it, we charge for grease traps or whatever. We need to work with them on the grease trap program, stuff like that. I think just a more holistic approach to what we can really drive with our tax fees and impact fees, I mean, I'm good with waving them off because we're only talking about possibly half dozen to a dozen, because the market's gonna define what these things are going to get infiltrated. And it would have to be a rebate, not a waiver. I'm completely found that, yeah, yeah. So no, no, I have a total agreement because, you know, we want it to look appealing to really bring folks in. And then I also too, wanna make sure that we make sure we keep the part that was removed for the existing businesses that are about to go. And I think we did that before. Jeff told us that the fees were, was it 25,000, was the average business license fee? It was between 9,000 and 22,000. Yeah, so it's not a big, huge loss of money either. Right, but if that's sustainable over five, seven, 10 years, that's gonna push somebody who's on the fence about whether to do this or not. I think that can make a big change. And I hear you saying five, seven, or 10 years, as opposed to one. I think we need to look. That's a rebate. That's a rebate, yeah. We need to look at what programs we already have in place for grease traps and water taps and things like that. It might be that we just need to get a little bit of a package of what we already have to show. Yeah. Business friendly. Specifically for these. Yeah. So just from my clarity, are we gonna add, well, we wouldn't necessarily need to add, to me that's more marketing. The ones that we did earlier with business friendly, would those be sufficient to add? Well, I think this is, if we're talking a rebate of full tap fees and storm, I mean, that's a more, that's a deeper doubt. Okay, that's not what we did, okay. I didn't know if we needed a second look, so we do need to look at that separately again. Okay. And Greenville had in theirs a 50% for existing qualified businesses. I don't know if that would be something we guys were interested in. 50% of what? 50% of the rebate for their business license taxes. I'd get 100%. Because again, I think we're only talking for existing better party established in market. This is newly established. That's what she was talking about. They did a 50% side car rebate for the existing people. Okay. Yeah, I agree with that. Two different areas, and this is what I'll say too, because again, as far as I'm concerned, you're only, as far as the rebate, particularly for existing businesses, we're only looking at the scarce areas, is only three or four grocery stores. You know, so I'm always looking at the cumulative effect, but I mean, it's not like we're talking about potentially 30 grocery stores and losing the funds, but right now they're just not in those particular areas if that makes some kind of way to play with it. I think we need to clarify and message that up front then because what will happen is, is somebody not within the designated project area will why them and not us. And we have a critical community need that we're trying to address with this. So I think we just wanna be kind of up front and clear about that so we don't catch flack. Yeah, and the easiest way I think is to make it consistent with whatever we've outlined with the food policy council as the critical need areas, because then you can say the food policy council. And can we say five years because y'all always have the option of it standing later if that comes through? We can do five year pilot. That's how we did with the CDB, five year pilot, see if it works, if you may find out. We make five years, maybe four months at four. Would Main Street include North Main Street? But we were also thinking downtown and it'd be great to have a grocery store downtown. So we included Main Street deliberately. Okay, well, so that's going like Howard's way of throwing in, not throwing in, but just adding what we want. It gets away from, but anyway, best sign, just make sure all my stuff in there. Okay, I'm just, I mean, I'm just being very honest. Make sure that we are addressing the food and security issues in the alpha chest, is that fair? Okay, I can live with that. Main from the capital to 20, essentially. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can make it more robust. And Aisha can court, just connect. With the policy committee? Yeah, yeah. Make sure we don't leave anything out. Yeah, this is great. And if, whenever y'all get the updated draft, if you could just email it to us, we don't need to meet and go over it again. Is that fair? This sounds great. Thank you, I'm sorry. It looks like we went over about 15 minutes because we started in 11, 17. Once it's updated and we reviewed it, is that correct? I don't think we need to come back to another committee meeting. What do you mean? I'm pretty amount, Chairwoman. I don't think we need to come back for another committee meeting, but give us enough time to review it. Email it to us before it even considers a council agenda. Do you have any other technical questions for me, Ms. Hammond, to make sure we're doing this thing right? All right, I suggest, don't ask me this. Is there a motion for us to adjourn this very productive meeting that was fun today? We adjourned. Thank you.