 Fantastic. Well hey everybody. It's so exciting to be here. I've really enjoyed meeting you all through Facebook lives and having what's so cool is I have some of the most wonderful amazing friends that actually happen to be so well known in their field and today is going to be such a treat for all of you listening because we have Susie Cohen who not only is one of my dearest and best friends in the world but is also a famous author, a pharmacist, as she is an entrepreneur. There's so many things you're going to learn about her today and I'm excited to introduce her. Before we start just be sure and share with your friends especially if they want to know more about vitamins and nutrients and all the kind of healthy things we can do to support our health and our bodies during this time and then be sure and ask questions because I'll be out of the corner of my eye watching our feet as well and taking note of your questions and if we can answer any of those live we will do that and you have Susie Cohen, America's pharmacist, most beloved and author, so she's here too and I'm sure if you have questions for her I will ask those as well. Just FYI on my side if you need any information you can find me at jillcarnihan.com. All right Susie let's jump in I want to kind of introduce you your licensed pharmacist for 30 years and the author of Bug Muggers and so many other books I'm sure in the back behind you you have a slew of all the famous books that you've written and I just am excited people always know I love story so I love to start with just even you I would like to go way back of how did you get into pharmacy school and how did that all happen in the very well that is going way back first we just say thank you for having me it's a real honor to be on your Facebook feed and with your audience and I hope that today is not only inspirational but entertaining and humorous there's so many stories I could tell to you they would just love you even more than they already do but I didn't really start out wanting to be a pharmacist I wanted to be a medical researcher and work for a drug company and you know basically find a cure for for a disease or cancer help people in so it's always in health mode but it wasn't always you know something where I wanted to dispense pills and dispense drug information that sort of happened on a walk along the campus at the University of Florida where I was doing all my my undergrad or you know the preliminary courses and I was with a friend and he said oh I'm taking the PCAT in a couple weeks do you want to do that I said what's the PCAT he said it's a test to get into pharmacy school so I wasn't expecting anything but I went ahead and took the test and so did he we were just study friends and we both got into pharmacy school and four years later we graduated you know like the next best nerd knowing every medication and being able to pronounce all these multi-syllabic drug names and things like that and I honestly thought that drugs were the answer to everyone's illness I really thought with all my heart and soul that I was getting into this profession into this industry and it was a health people only about maybe five to ten years in that I started to notice a trend at my retail pharmacy I would dispense a medication and then maybe an hour or two later or a day or two later you know my next shift like there was a time frame differed for everyone but they would call and say something bad happened oh you know I have a stomach ache I have a headache is this supposed to knock me out I've been sleeping for 14 hours you know or the spouse would call and I started to realize like wow this the drugs are not the be all end all and it was compounded with another factor that I'll share a lot of people don't know this about me but I I was married to my second husband at the time his name is Sam and he had been injured by an antibiotic for having taken it a long time it's called getting flossed which if you want to get into that we can if not people can Google it but the point of the story is compounded with my feelings at work where I was seeing my patients get hurt from my medications I was also seeing this at home where medications weren't helping him recover from the antibiotic toxicity that he had experienced so it was this huge awakening where I thought there has to be something better than patented medications out there there has to be a way to help and heal people without hurting them you know especially watching Sam who had been hurt by this antibiotic which is still prescribed today and then you know in pharmacy school where we're taught that anything but patented synthetic medications are the answer you know that you can't mention something like a canacea you'd be locked out the door so it was basically all of that that inspired me to start writing a newspaper column and then the rest happened really quickly gosh Susie thanks for sharing because it is such an interesting thing about how our personal experiences and our passion I'm no different with breast cancer and Crohn's in medical school and then realizing gosh there's got to be a different way when my gastroenterologist told me you know you have Crohn's you're gonna need drugs or surgery for the rest of your life you're gonna need immune modulating agents you're probably gonna have multiple surgeries you're probably gonna have your colon removed and this is incurable and then I hear the nerve I said you know well this diet I was just a naive third-year medical student I didn't know much and I said well you know doctor does diet have anything to do with this and he's like no Jill diet has nothing to do with this and you and I know like there's this intuitive sense of like there's more that's not true and I didn't know a lot but I remember thinking kind of similar to you like there's got to be more that can't be true and I'm stubborn I've got German Swiss background and I was like gosh darn it I'm gonna prove him wrong and I fired him and I was like I'm gonna check this diet stuff out I came across specific carbohydrate diet I implemented it and Susie you know I wasn't cured in two weeks but within two weeks my fevers my pain my diarrhea all the symptoms were gone just with the change in diet so I know there's something there to it so I love how our stories are they're different but they're similar in the sense that we knew there was more right there was there had the thing so it's interesting you share that story and I remember the specific carbohydrate diet I even interviewed the lady before her passing I forgot Elaine got y'all yeah and I bought like a 20 pound thing of almond flour and started making yogurt and it is a remarkable diet like kudos to her for you know having created that and the offsprings of all of that I'm curious for you though or did you were you able at that point where you were in the midst and in the throes of all of that able to trace it back to your childhood or to to the farm or to anything that you grew up with around or at that time you just for it was survival mode oh gosh that's such a good question so insightful you are like a functional detective at heart just like yeah I'm curious because you you're so articulate you're so aware and intuitive and I wondered if at the time because a lot of people are dealing with something and I know when I've seen it over the years with Sam or even with my own health issues I had thyroid disease for a period of probably a year which I cured myself because like you I am stubborn yeah I'm gonna do this but and I wondered if how you know if you were aware at that time or was it just you know dig your feet into the ground and survive and then look back yeah no I knew I mean I had already had introduction to root cause and functional medicine although I wasn't a functional medicine practitioner I was just in medical school and I knew you know before medical school I knew I wanted to do holistic healing and help people find wellness not just with drugs and surgery but I I felt like the best route was the allopathic route because our system unfortunately is still driven by reimbursement and all the things that are driven by the conventional system and if you had a heart attack or yet a car accident the best place you want to be is in a conventional ER to get taken care of but what they don't deal well with is gut issues auto immunity all the things you and I see and in my history there's no doubt that I was definitely exposed to atrazine and organophosphates and pesticides probably not only growing up on the farm but even in utero or a preconception through my mother I think it was that far back and then I got breast cancer at 25 and I think what happened was I was undiagnosed celiac I didn't know it but I actually had celiac disease and I was like a carbatarian so I was on a high carb diet full of gluten actually was a vegetarian from age 14 to 25 when I got my cancer and I have no problem if a vegetarian is healthy and knows how to do it right I didn't but at that time I joke I it almost killed me like and not eating the right foods and so that perfect storm of gluten without me knowing it being kryptonite to my system and then the chemotherapeutic agents that I had cytoxin 5FU and doxy rubycin those are all very toxic to the gut lining and cytoxin actually has studies and animals that show it creates a permeability in the gut so it was the perfect storm to go flooding in garbage from inside the lumen of the gut into my immune system and creating a inflammatory response and then I have this gene called NOD and this NOD gene is related to Crohn's disease risk and what it means is genetically when I see normal bacteria that get into the immune system and into the bloodstream my body reacts extra quick and extra aggressively towards this bacteria and causes collateral damage so between the toxic exposure the chemotherapy the gluten that I didn't know was toxic I think all of those things created a massive permeable gut on top of a genetic predisposition towards Crohn's and then that happened. That is what they call the perfect storm that you have your environmental and genetic and so it's a lot of people that could benefit from I could see your next article. Yeah, your next blog. Well speaking of blogs and articles you've been a prolific writer in that way you're one of my heroes because you just keep putting stuff out the other day I ask you because some people know I just got a deal on a publishing deal so next fall will be my first book coming out but you in my mind are a pro and so I ask you that how do you how do you get inspired over and over again and but let's go back to how did you start? What's the story of your first book? Congratulations by the way on the book feel I definitely need to hear more I'm so proud of you like everything you've done and to have this as another accolade it's gonna just be amazing so how did I start blogging? I got mad. I love it. I got mad and you know anger is a motivator just like love and just like fear but I got mad because the medications they scared me they were hurting my patients they hurt my husband I got ticked off and you know so I went so I started immersing myself in natural holistic medicine and I went to a newspaper that was local and I was excited I put on my best dress and heels and a pound of makeup and I brought a sample article and they said no so so I went to another newspaper because I'm like oh he must have had a bad burrito so Ocala was where I was by the way people in Ocala who are listening I have a strong fan base there because I did wind up in that paper they might know me by my maiden name which was Susie Gervitch yeah and my parents are the ice cream man and the ice cream lady and they just retired last year but anyway they lived in Ocala for got over 40 years and so I so anyway the point of this is that I got mad I went to another local paper I finally went to the Lake City Reporter after two years of trying and having 30 letters from the Chicago Tribune the Seattle Times the Sacramento Bee the Orlando Sentinel the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel and like of 25 other papers stuck to my wall saying no no no no we're not interested in this and the Lake City Reporter which is about 30 miles north of Ocala said no and I was in his office and I think that was pivotal for me his name was David Brown I still love this guy he gave me my break he just looked at me because he said no and I just sat there and stubborn right there must have been some type of facial expression and there was awkward silence between us and a little bit of a stare down that was pleasant I mean I just had big eyes because I was confused as to why he was saying no to me finally after about 30 45 seconds which is uncomfortable he goes why do you want this so much why do you why do you want to do this don't remember exactly what I said but it was pretty empathic and that I just want to help people what I have to give is a gift to people what I have to share can change people's lives you don't understand what I've been through everything I've learned can help people and if you don't put me in your paper someone else will and another awkward silence and he goes you can start Tuesday I love it oh my gosh that's stubbornness that's good that did it you that are the great shoes I it might have been the shoes you know it might have been so but so then this was 10,000 circulation I don't know what portion of those people read it in Lake City but it was a 10,000 circulation and within a year I was up to about 2 million in circulation and within five years every single newspaper that said no was carrying me and I took it as such an honor that they dubbed me as the dear Abbey of Health and I was getting more mail in some markets and some newspapers than you know and she was in a couple of markets like Orlando yeah and you know that's how fast it grew so it became a syndicated columnist and this might be an interesting story but I was syndicated by the Chicago Tribune at one point I signed a deal so that they could syndicate me and they got upset with one of my articles that I wrote and it's been about 15 years and the article that I wrote was warning women that certain women that a mammogram could be harmful if they did it repeatedly because of the radiation and that as an adjunctive to start using this new thing called digital thermography well one of their advertisers pulled out on them or maybe he didn't pull out but he called them and granted and down came the acts for me they're like get that columnist out of our paper she's promoting digital thermography tell people right what do you what has come to be right digital thermo is a great screen tool for young women to see about changes in the molecular patterns of the cellular level in breast tissue in actually your entire body but you can see changes metabolically with the cells very even very quickly and it's not that I'm not saying that mammograms should go out the door all I was saying was to look at this as well an adjunctive imagery and today we know that the radiation that's emitted from those things can't be in some cases harmful and can contribute to the formation of breast cancer depending on the individual I'm parsing my words because there is a place for everything I'm not saying no to them I was just I think I just got upset in the Chicago Tribune cut me from and I was their biggest most popular columnist in their Sunday queue section at the time wow that's part of our journey is like speaking truth sometimes comes up against adversaries and people who are out for money and I mean you and I the heart is truly to help people that's really why we do what we do we have both said to each other we would probably do the same thing if we weren't paid a penny because we're still making a difference now thank goodness that we can pay our bills with what we do too but it really is a passion for us I love that you mentioned mammogram too because here I am a breast cancer survivor I breast cancer at 25 years old that's incredibly young we're eye to get mammograms every year from 25 to 60 that's a heck of a lot of radiation and that actually increases my risk of cancer so even though it's recommended I have not gotten a yearly mammogram because that's so much radiation over those years so you really have to think again be very I'll be very clear I am not against mammograms I recommend them I order them for most if not all of my female patients but what we decide together is where is that limit of amount of exposure when do you start getting them how frequently do you get them and there's no one-size-fits-all so this is a discussion between myself and the patient and deciding what risks they're willing to take and all of those factors planned at what kind of family history and certainly if you're high risk it is not a problem to get an annual mammogram but that would be reserved for the highest risk the lowest period of time all of those things take are taken into account and it's important because any procedure any sort of screening has risk and benefits and some people don't talk about the risk they only talk about the benefit exactly and what she just said was the basic meat of what I wrote about in that article and I'm sure that that was my last article because they didn't want to lose their advertiser but I'm sure I saved a lot of women some grief and say you know their health and their body so it was worth it no other paper cut me in fact well I got mad again and you know I bought back my syndication rights I thought if you won't print the truth and you're gonna cut it this is what I paid them off thousands of dollars to buy back my syndication rights wow I've been self syndicated the whole time and I took it and it just blew up I at some point at one point I had 20 million in circulation again I don't know what number of people read that but you know because some people read the newspaper very well some people today don't know what the newspaper is but back then it was a thing that people would read the paper and they would you know read the columnists and things like that so oh I know my parents are probably like your parents are they like oh we love Susie we and they live in Florida half the years there we read every every week and that they love you and they adore you and speaking of your parents are so precious I know we've talked often on about them that's I didn't know they were the ice cream man and the ice cream lady yeah I just adore I haven't ever met them I've just seen photos and videos and your stories what do you think is some of the the qualities that your parents like gave you as far as your drive and what do you see as some things that your parents have been influential in your life because you are so successful and driven and you've got these delightful beautiful parents they're just so sweet I love my mom and dad so much I'm so blessed to have them at this point dad's in his 90s mom's in her 80s so they're immigrants so they they both multilingual can speak various different languages they immigrated with my two older brothers so two children they came to New York City they learned the language they they were pregnant she pregnant with me and so I was born in 1965 and and at that time they were still learning to speak English they speak English fluently now but it's a little bit you know they have their own little special dialect and they they immigrated at the time from Israel so I'm a bit of a mud because my mom has French and Polish in her and my dad has Russian in him and but anyway they met in Israel they fell in love there they had two boys they immigrated to New York City and had me so by the time I was like seven or eight years old my parents got a phone call and it was the teacher saying we think your daughter has a speech impediment and we'd like to enroll her in some speech therapy and some classes and we'll try to fix this and so try speaking to my mom who has new English but has French and Polish background that's you know her French is her native tongue she was born in Paris it finally they're like could you could you put her father on the phone so they put my dad on the phone that was no better and they explained to them you know my heritage my ancestry and it was like you know what we got this we'll teach her to speak English there's no problems with your daughter and here I am today you know decades later I speak English right I love it I love it because I was a butt you know the words aren't coming out correctly because at home they were speaking all these different languages so I was going to school speaking all this a little bit of other words coming in there now do you currently are you fluent in other languages I didn't I even know that about you Susie is there I can I can understand Hebrew pretty well I used to be able to speak it a little bit my mom said till I was about seven I could speak French maybe three words in Yiddish but no I I tried to speak Spanish I took some classes but I was never very good at it I wish I was well you're very fluent in English in every written verbal and other ways I'm fluent in English and fluent in door dash the other language oh my goodness well what about your book so that that was your column and that up to set you up but then what happened with your first book so my first book that was the 24-hour pharmacist which was originally named sex chocolate and Botox I love it makes changed it to the 24-hour pharmacist because I'm much prefer the first title probably would have been an NYT bestseller but be that as it may they changed the name to the 24-hour pharmacist which they excuse me they felt was in keeping with you know you have this handbook and it was a guide book with natural holistic tips and alternatives to drugs and it would be like your 24-7 pharmacist guidebook and then after that was another book that I think actually went farther is the drug muggers book which is now in probably 10 languages so I'm really proud of that and that's about drug nutrient depletion and I had read a handbook at the time right before that by two authors Ross Pelton and James is a pharmacist great guys little handbook and they had done this work on drug nutrient depletion well I interpreted that and added more data to it and created a book for consumers that was palatable to regular people who were taking medications and it was about drug nutrient depletions and I couldn't think of a good title so I went over to Sam who was in the living room one night and I said I need to encapsulate how to name this book aptly so that it's consumer friendly and I'm really having a hard time so he was playing around with different names and we could he's like drug nutrient depletion so we didn't think of anything good and then at some point I gave him a slice of banana chocolate bread and he just like I was a moment of idiocy or brilliance I don't know which but he just props up on the couch he's drug muggers wow oh I submitted the book with that title on and they didn't want to publish it so I got another now so I said why like what why 24-hour pharmacist has done great we even put it in a hardback we went from paperback to hardback and they said they didn't want to offend doctors well wow so you know what I did we we published it ourselves I took what little savings I had because times were tough back then I had little kids and you know Sam wasn't feeling well he's working part-time I was working part-time I had other issues lawsuits from the X issues I had issues right and expenses so I published this book I printed 1,000 copies from sold it from the back of my trunk yeah and then I got a call or maybe it was a phone call or I got contacted by the producers of Dr. Oz's radio show they love the concept and they wanted me on the program so I flew up north and I met Dr. Oz and I did his radio show and it was really like one of the first big breaks that I actually had he he took me in like a pet project if you will because here's his pharmacist she's a bit of a rebel she's a bit of a bad bleep and she's trying to get the word out there to keep consumers safe yeah and she's just showing them that medications should be married with a nutria yeah wasn't telling anybody stop their drug I was just telling them take a statin cholesterol drug take CoQ ton if you take birth control take selenium and B12 this wasn't rocket science to me and my heart was in the right place and he saw that and after that I got on his program and then then I get a call from my publishers and they're like could you send us a copy of that book like now you want to see it yeah now they wanted to see it and they gave me an answer within a week they said we'll publish this now we get it now wow it's almost like every step of the way Susie you encountered this but like you did not take no for an answer I love that no if I hear no I just need to re-ask the question a different way or ask somebody else there is no such thing as no and I think that's a take-home point for patients if they think they can heal and they think that they're they're not doing well in the care that they have we need to come to you but the but the point is is they need to go somewhere else to find out what else can be done yeah totally agree oh my gosh there's so many questions I want to ask you I want to talk about your your recent like last several years and all of your development of vitamins and stuff but before I do I know people are like well how do you guys know each other and you know I want to go back to remember when we first met I think it was almost years ago and we didn't even know what we lived like in the same building like a few floors down from each other at one time right crazy you lived one floor down from me and I was so happy to meet you so I had just moved here with my husband maybe the year before and we moved here it was the weirdest thing we flew out here so I could give a lecture at a weight loss clinic and we never took our flight home we moved into an apartment with our travel suitcase and just you know started buying Tupperware and I think I stole a lemon or a pop of John's or whatever they struck forks I don't know but we moved here with pretty much nothing and we made a phone call and told the neighbor to put it for sale sign in our house so we just moved here so I was really hungry for functional medicine expert because I had been you know studying functional medicine when Jeffrey plan had seven people in the room yeah and I saw that you were speaking somewhere so I went to your venue and I don't know if you remember this but I went to your venue and I was in the audience and afterwards I went up to you and said how great you were how smart you were and you know could we stay in touch and I think we exchanged emails or something I remember like who is this but it was you know there's just people certain people in your life I remember the moment and it's just like I loved you instantly like I'm like who is this woman she's really cool and I know I just kind of knew we'd be friends I'm sure you this is a very special connection and and it's so funny because that was like I remember when first starting my practice little one room that I shared with Dr. Bob Roundtree I had you know one day a week and I was hardly any patients and then I remember doing these like free lectures in the community and I think maybe 12 people showed up maybe 10 maybe less I mean it was nowadays the whole different ballgame but it's so interesting to go back to our roots and just humbly remember all the things that have happened the miracles really and and even meeting you because I count you as one of my dearest friends and it's so rare in this realm to have women who are not only passionate about healing and helping people at the root and not just out for money like really we are our hearts are in the right place but also trying to find answers and trying to seek solutions and a little stubborn and then we love shoes so that we can have all kinds of discussions about fashionable shoes and free bird sales I always get a text from your husband Jill the free birds are on sale please go now I'll run to the mall like no matter what I'm doing drop everything free birds are 80% off and see you know my collection out there right I'm a total boot addict yeah and you look good you can rock those boots baby it looks so good in them my fetish was high heels for a long time and then you can wear those in Florida at certain venues and when you go out but I was when we moved here I was wearing them around the streets of Boulder and I looked like maybe I was working the streets or something at some point or maybe like peg Bundy you know the thin legs and then the high heels and mine were like three to four inches and I could walk in them pretty well decades of training in Florida and at some point I retired down there in the garage right to me I will send you pictures you can have them I love it you're right like I was in Chicago for your students like black suits and you know high heels and then I get to Boulder like oh my people I can put on my kippy shirts and cut up jeans shorts and my cowboy hat and boots and I fit right in and I feel much more I'm only out of my pajamas because you said I was gonna be on Facebook live normally I would be in like flannels or something I know I know I had a oh it's so fun to talk to you so let's talk about I know people want to hear about what you've been up to in the last several years and I'm so proud of you and excited to share with people some of the solutions that you have because you've actually not only you've written you were syndicated for so many years millions of people reading your column every week and then you've gone to be a famous author but you didn't stop there because you've developed some products I remember the very beginning sitting in a coffee shop and you're like what do you think about this formula would this be good and you've been so successful now so tell tell everybody a little bit about what you've been doing some of your formulas and some of the solutions that you have created and they're brilliant okay I'll try I'll try to not shallow for you since it's kind of a long story but basically I was sending people all over to natural health food stores which I still do but there were there were times where they really couldn't get what they needed and I know you carry specialty formula formulas so it was a slow metamorphosis where I realized I was sending people to the health food store and I knew they weren't able to buy the things that I was telling them or maybe I had told them like six or seven things and it was going to break the bank for them to get everything so but I didn't really want to formulate because as a syndicated columnist and newspaper person and a blogger you know you don't usually have a thing to sell other than your book so it was a real shift for me but I got so many emails and there were letters and my friends would say please like get over yourself like make us something so when I hosted the thyroid summit in 2014 actually co-host with Dr. David Brownstein that was a real awakening for me because I realized some of the things that I take into cure myself of hypothyroidism was really useful to other people and I created thyroid script and that was my first supplement and I ordered a thousand what I didn't expect was like to sell them in a week I thought that would last me two years so with your books and your products you're like oh and then everybody's like please then give us more we love Susie yeah and it wasn't even after during the thyroid summit it was probably six to eight months after the summit had air so it really showed me people do want my products they are interested in that and I have a natural skill set because I understand pharmaceuticals and pharmacology and I understand medical things you know I've had a lot of training in six years of school and 30 years of holistic so when you put that together you get supplements that are aimed and targeted like I can't name a medication that that this could replace as an example but and this is on my desk not to be promotional because it just got patented today I saw that actually I'm like this is so exciting so four so this is actually I want to make sure over here that four patents you own Susie fourth patent it's so hard to get a dietary supplement to be patented but remember I come from the pharmaceutical world in my world as a pharmacist every drug is patented that so to me that's an act that's a thing so but supplements aren't generally patented they have to be unique enough for for you to argue with the examiner the auditor whatever they are the the FDA people and the patent people to get it patented so these things have to be unique enough and they are but that's what happens when you cross a pharmacist with herbs you get four patents and you get supplements that work without side effects yeah and I'll be sure and share on this link to all your products but go through um and if you have a hand if you don't just tell us about what ones do you have out see the thyroid script the memory script what else do you have and then I want to be sure and talk about the immune script so what are you we can start with immune script so so this is really interesting um there's not a lot that I can say because the FDA will throw me into a ditch um so we just have to just hold it up and just say this works this can protect you and the ingredients in it include andrographis um olive leaf extract and there's epicor for gut health that's a trademark patented prebiotic type of dried fermentate um and everybody knows all of the leaf extract is what it does I can't say these things because again the FDA keeps a muzzle on supplement sellers but this is a product that you can feel good about and when you can't wash your hands fast and furious enough you can take one immune script at night or two and it'll help you sleep and it'll help you feel you know like a little bit of an insurance policy especially if you're going out in about the town um and then I have the memory script which is great for those bouts of forgetfulness so it'll reduce forgetfulness again I can't name diseases joint script is um joint script is kind of amazing people love that and then I have hashi script which people think because I'm from Colorado that it has passion oh that's funny we get that question that is funny and they don't really know hashi modos now probably most of our listeners know what hashi modos is but why don't you just explain in case there's someone who's listening who doesn't know about hashi modos so a disclaimer coming now um hashi script does not treat cure prevent uh hashi modos it is not intended for the use of hashi modos hashi script supports immune health and thyroid structure and function there now I've got that out of the way love it love it um so hashi modos is an autoimmune disease which many people require the use of medications and I know each treat this in practice all day long um but what you can do is you can cut down on some of the proteins in the the antigens that make it to the permeable intestinal barrier and it's the gut permeability that oftentimes will lead to autoimmune almost not always but oftentimes and so hashi script contains a digestive blend that cuts down on casein and gluten um it sort of attacks it and breaks it down so that maybe your body takes a less of a hit and when you can cut down on those antigens as you know the immune response is lessened and so that's kind of what it does it also contains selenium selenium which supports thyroid hormone function and production I gotta be careful no I actually love that people are hearing this is because they they they understand and yet there's also this um you've dealt with this because you are developing your own scripts you are being extremely abiding by the law doing the right thing creating great great products for people that would actually you they feel better I mean that's the bottom line they feel better when they take you look better yeah they look for they feel better the college is huge powder is one of our top sellers yeah and we can talk yeah oh I want to so let's talk about that real quick and then I'll come back to my rant on the on the guidelines what I was gonna say is you have been in this industry you know you know how how we can say things and how we can promote things that are helpful without um stepping on any toes um and a lot of us in functional medicine have more recently with um all that's happening in the pandemic there is a lot of crackdown because they do not want the information about alternatives to be out there the bottom line is they they want medications that are powerful and expensive and options that bring in billions of dollars to be the primary solutions even if there's no solutions and the truth is you and I have solutions we have things that can help people we have things that can actually support their function and support their immune system but it's getting harder and harder to say that which is so sad for me and I know you and I have the same like don't take any no right like I'm more and more um I am more convinced that my voice is very important and I'm being cautious and doing the right thing like you are but I'm not going to back down people need to hear the important things that we're telling and then we're sharing so I love that maybe we actually uh they how you stated that because people get the idea that this is really important it's important it's important for our health and people want answers they want solutions yeah when you hear the FDA has come come knocking on your door like you see that a lot of doctors some of them doing ozone and and other things like to me that just means you have arrived you are doing something right because they don't want you to be treating people with things that aren't lucrative for them but you know people are smart it's not like it used to be we have the internet now with different platforms available and a lot of health bloggers and medical physicians such as yourself pharmacists people who are talking and doing their part and getting the word out and consumers aren't dumb this is very transparent to them and people are looking and what I've taken to doing is pointing people to studies so that I don't have to say it but you can google a Bangkok study on andrographis and hopefully people would do that when they hang up or I don't know I don't do a lot of social media when they hang up from Facebook yeah I understand completely they got it well so you're too young but I'm 55 I think and we used to have a phone with the little cord and you would hang up I remember the day I totally can totally get you so when people hang up from a Facebook or a book phase like my mother would say they can google the study on andrographis and then there's another amazing study on on skullcap and a quick google search will reveal which countries are using this and and their case rate as well as their mortality rate and so I find those things interesting and that's what I've taken to doing rather than me saying something and trying to parse my words and and talk through a muzzle I just point people to a study hey look at that I love it Susie I think I'm going to take some lessons from you because I like I said I feel more and more like I'm called for this I want to get people good information and I know my heart is aligned with integrity I know that I'm not afraid that I'm doing anything wrong but I also know that the powers that be don't want that information out and so I have to be more careful than ever and you've practiced this for years because you've gotten great information great products out to the public and yet navigated these crazy waters tell us about the collagen we kind of passed right over that but I want people to know about the collagen product that you have too because I love collagen for skin one of my best beauty secrets is collagen yeah and you're so pretty you look so great your skin looks fabulous and you're just glowing um so collagen wasn't on my radar until a few years ago and then I started researching it because I wanted because I'm getting older and I'm still in the media and I'm a little needle shy like I don't know I I've tried Botox before but I'm a little nervous and it gets expensive and I don't know I get I get a little nervous with anything unnatural so the idea of putting botulinum into me makes me a little nervous but but that said there's no judge run I've done it before like years ago so I started looking at collagen and I would buy some and then they would smell like fish and so I learned that they can be especially in some of the countries in Asia that marine derived fish scale derived collagen is a big thing really a big thing that's in a lot of k-beauty products and a lot of other products that are keeping women looking gorgeous and their skin is so gorgeous and porcelain but I rejected that so I found collagen it's a brand name it's called the varisol it comes from New Zealand the grass fed all the best comes from New Zealand I dream to go and I imported this and I used varisol collagen which has clinical studies behind it along with chart cherry extract which is well known for supporting joint health structure and function yeah and some vitamin c to push it into the anyway it's a little tiny scoop because it's very concentrated and you take one scoop a day and you can have gorgeous looking skin without having to do a lot of stuff and I really like that product it's one of my best sellers so it's called collagen beauty powder and I can send people a free sample and we can send them to your site and they can get stick packs or whatever you want to do oh I'll just be sure and put a link here to your site and I I love the collagen I think that's literally been one of my best kept beauty secrets as I take it every day I really really love love that and I love that you mentioned the clean source because the sourcing is really important and I've had those products that taste like fish and it's like especially I sometimes will put in coffee and fish and coffee they just don't go together and then there's I'm glad you brought that out because you made me think of something so there's certain collagen brands that have all of a wide variety of the types of collagen which I think is good if you want a head to toe type of collagen that's not what I'm selling I'm not dissing it or dismissing it either but if you're just targeting your hair your skin your nails and you just want a beauty collagen with a little extra for your skin antioxidant health the collagen beauty powder is really remarkable because it's a tiny little scoop it's pink which women love it's pink from the natural cherry extract it's unflavored you can put it in anything and I think I'm starting to sound like I'm selling it which I'm not I just love you know when you formulate something you just it's like a baby these are like my babies and I have three other hours you spent with once I'm with me with coffee shops and on with experts that you know checking this ingredient where does it come from what you really do your homework and that's what I love that you bring to people whether it's your books your calum you do your homework and the other thing I know people love about you is you're so real I mean that's what part of our friendship is just being real and authentic with one another but a lot of your experience comes from your life and your experience with patients and experience with family members doesn't a lot of our drive to help it just comes from those life things we're like here's a problem I don't know the answer but I'm going to find it out see if I can find a solution yeah I think it a love will drive you to to do a lot of things and I so deeply love my sweet Sam he's clunky with moths he is not the moth ninja I can cup them and get them out so we're having a marital situation with the moths so I think I'm going to write about that next week I want to do a moth infestation in your home right now okay we can be tangential so yeah so in Colorado in eastern Colorado and western Kansas there's the Miller moth it's like they swarm over Colorado there's a migration and they go westward and no lie there's probably 20 in the house and I don't want to kill something just because it got lost or it smelled my peach crumble or something so I'll I mean they're moths they're like less attractive butterflies these things aren't going to bite you I mean if it was a wasp it you know that would be it but it's a moth it's kind of cute so I'll get a cup and then a piece of paper you know under the cup I don't have one to show you yeah you can cup them and get them out and be free well he this is too much work for him so he literally has this long stick that he grabs things it's like close you think he doesn't have to bend down one of those grabbers which imagine grabbing lint from behind your washer it's one of those grabbers yep it's not a pole it's two feet or three feet long it has claws he grabs a moth by the claw and he walks he's like I'm going to set it free this way see you want to touch it and he starts screaming like a girl but we'll have an agreement Sam and I have an agreement this is no lie we've been married over two we got married in July of 1998 and we have an agreement we got married in Florida he would kill all of the cockroaches and spiders he's good with a broom and I would be responsible for mice and snakes we agreed to this before getting married it's very serious there have been some tense stares over the years but he has accomplished his husbandly duties with an A plus but the moths were never discussed oh no now it's up for grabs who gets it's my job now oh that is hysterical I would like to have a GoPro on your head in your house sometime and see the moth saga unfold he attacks him when you hang up from Facebook and tell him to do his husbandly duties and get the moths I'm on it I am on it he threatened me he held up a fly swatter he's like I got this I'm like no you're not the player oh gosh oh this has been so fun Susie Cohen I knew it would be because we always have fun and people get a little insight into our weird sense of humor in there our obsession with free birds and and all of that stuff but it is so about your book I need a minute of your book tell me about your book what's it going to be about yeah well thank you for asking you know it's funny because I I'm you know kind of the mold expert I thought it would be on environmental toxicity in mold because I've been through a lot and a lot of environmental chemicals from birth on have affected my health but as I sat down to write the proposal this fall and for me with the first book I put a lot of work into the proposal sometimes you just have an outline for me it was four months of a basic mini book right so in this proposal I started writing and I started writing about environmental toxicity and I kept waking up almost awake from a dead sleep hearing the word memoir like your story your story and I fought it because I was like my story isn't worth tell like who am I to tell my story I'm not famous I'm not but as I kept waking up and my soul was telling me you need to tell your story and so I shifted at two months into it I shifted and I really shifted into what they call a prescriptive memoir and so it's going to be about my life's journey and health and in that will be weaved in the science and the faith and all those pieces of like why did atrazine affect my breast so you'll actually know the chemical pathway a little bit about why that but the real heart of it is my story so I'm I'm so excited and so terrified but I'm also excited because I feel like whenever you go through suffering we've both been through very difficult situations in our lives but when you go through suffering and then somehow you can write and have purpose and meaning and share and inspire with the world it actually gives meaning to all the stuff you've been through so in that way I'm kind of excited now to actually as I write about it it gives more meaning and purpose to the difficult things like cancer and Crohn's and mold and divorce and traumatic relationships that I've been through because what I can do is take that and hopefully inspire and reflect to the reader the situations in their own life where they might be struggling and just encourage them that's my goal that's so beautiful Jill and you know I know you like like no other and I just want to tell you your path to recovery and your vibrance and your brilliance the story does need to be shared don't be afraid if you ever feel a moment of fear or doubt or you know like am I doing the right thing am I saying too much am I not saying enough the truth is everybody has hardships in their life behind every home and under every roof there's someone struggling and they will benefit from your story and everything you have to say and your beautiful soul and your story should be shared and it thank you well now I'm committed to next fall it's going to be out so yeah thank you for saying that though that means a lot coming from you I'm on a door to ask you a lot of coffee I know right I'm gonna like how is this work to see how do you stay up writing you put the gender I'm gonna put some no-dos in that little hole where I put a present by your house it's a little gift exchange where we like she drops off little secret packages and I know where to find them it's like the best thing I love it oh my friend I love you I'm gonna say the public yes I am I'm so grateful for your time today so much fun I hope people found it informational I'll be sure and share links to your products and I know we'll talk again soon we will do this again soon but thank you all for listening and joining in on girlfriends kind of having coffee take care bye-bye