 Here we are inside a university here in Israel and we're going to be doing some outreach here and we're going to be asking people questions about doing a good deed because today is Good Deeds Day here in Israel. Today is Good Deeds Day yeah? Yeah. Why would it be a good deed to say eat a vegan burger? Why would it be a good deed? I mean you're helping like not to treat animals in a wrong way you know like not collaborating to the industry of meat or the industry of dairy and stuff like that so I mean that could be a good deed. Why would eating a vegan burger be a good deed do you think? I don't know it's like engaging in something new. Engaging in something new? Yeah like not eating like meat. Not eating meat. So why would not eating meat be a good deed do you think? No I won't feel responsible and guilty for like the killing of the animals. That's probably yeah. So that would be a good deed wouldn't it? Yeah exactly. So why would eating a vegan pizza be a good deed? Because we won't kill some cow or something for it I guess. So you won't hurt someone else so you can eat yeah? I guess that's it. Yeah. How are consumers like meaning how are people who buy the flesh and buy the animal products? How are they contributing to the animals' violence? How are they contributing? I mean if there is no without the consumer there is no market you know yeah exactly. Do you agree with that? Yeah yeah of course. So do you think that these businesses would exist if it wasn't for our money? Nobody would like them then not. Nobody would like them. So to say I'm not going to consume those products is a good deed for animals yeah? You would agree that if we made a choice that didn't involve another being then that would be good? Yeah right. You are vegan? Yes. Oh wow. Yes. Okay okay so the idea of doing a good deed would mean other animals that don't need to die wouldn't have to for that meal yeah? Yeah sure. Do you think that's a cool thing to do? Yeah. Wow. So have you thought about this vegan thing before obviously your friend has? Yeah I thought about it the only problem I like the taste of meat. I think the most important reason is that we all desire to live a life without suffering without harm like us you know I don't want to be harmed I don't want to be used exploited treated as a slave an object and I think it's only fair that if we want that respect that we treat others with that same respect and especially you think you know that animals they're very vulnerable yeah they're very helpless would you agree? Yeah probably especially I don't know how it works in all of the world but in Sweden they say that there is a that the control of the animal and when they farm them and so on it's like all the EU regulations and regulations sorry but I'm sure there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scene yeah that we that we consumers don't get to see exactly exactly any way that we use animals for their eggs for their milk for their skin they have to be killed for that so you might think animals don't get killed for eggs do you might think that they do so when they can't lay eggs anymore they don't go get looked after at a sanctuary they get killed so same with milk you might think they don't have to kill animals for milk yes they do all of those animals are killed when they can't produce milk anymore and all of their children are taken from them so this is why being vegan is the only way we can do this good deed let's just say they treated the animals really well really well I mean like like family they the farmers treated the animals like family when they go into that slaughterhouse and they come up chop come out the other end chopped up into pieces do you think that's treating the animals well or not at all I think I mean what you're saying yeah you're right like killing an animal is not something you know it's not right nature it happens anyways but it's in a more natural way I mean you don't have machines you don't have this way like of how's it called like you know like so many like yeah forcibly breeding animals and all that's not natural I think that's yeah you know that shouldn't happen if there will be a way of doing it like not naturally yeah at this point I don't think it's really possible maybe with more like farmers to just breed their own you know products and stuff it could be a little better right now I think we feel we live like in a society that it's very like you know they care about their pleasure only yeah so if I like a burger if I like this I will like close my eyes to things that's going behind it and I'll just go ahead and eat it so it's like hard for a person to say no to his own pleasure pleasure and so that's a bit of a problem you've got like the pain of the cows the taste exactly but I totally respect whoever goes for the cows yeah so I didn't give up eating meat because it tastes bad you know I stopped eating it because I thought that my taste wasn't worth another being's suffering all their life would you agree or I totally agree yet the taste still beats that I'm sorry do you think the taste is more important than the animal and ideally no but my body says yes sure yeah and the next level would be that like think okay I don't want to contribute to this I will avoid this pleasure yeah I like you know maybe replace it with something else with tofu with different types of satan you know that's interesting a huge problem that that I think that I see is that a lot of people are very used to to having a piece of meat on the plate and without the meat that the dish is not completed yeah so they basically don't know even if they would like to stop they don't have the the tools to they don't know how okay so that's one thing oh wow that's good that's excellent so would that just involve one burger or maybe in the future more I don't know I'm not eating burger right now but like I'll try the vegan burger and see what it's like see what it's like if I like it I hear the like if if I won't like it so I won't eat burgers at all because I'm not eating like this is vegan friendly okay they have a restaurant with this sign on there you can get vegan meal okay from from these restaurants amazing this here's challenge 22 so you can do a good deed for three weeks you can eat just vegan for three weeks and they help you okay you mentioned uh it's not natural okay so do you think that because something's natural that means that it's good no it's not good okay okay so if we looked at nature and we said okay lion uh gazelle yeah okay do you think the gazelle wants to be hunted and killed by that lion okay so so it's a natural process okay it happens in life yeah so he goes and he has to yeah I just want to see your k9 teeth you got big k9 teeth oh yeah you know for eating meat for eating you for eating me if we weren't going to do something to survive that would be probably a little bit different context but because we have this like lots and lots of plant foods at our fingertips that that we are making a choice lions cannot make that choice no oh you have to eat animals to survive don't you oh of course yeah you know this is how it goes in the savannah in the savannah you have to eat animals to survive yeah that's yeah we don't have the supermarket no you don't so you have the supermarket here don't we so so the context for humans is a bit different and also when you mention pleasure that's a very very good point because if we were to choose pleasure over morality over morals people would be making very immoral decisions what if you get something really tasty really tasty vegan food I might consider reconsider good to hear good to hear the meat industry eating meat and everything it's completely normalized it's not that's why people are okay with doing immoral things in order to it's normal it's like uh you know when human slavery in in america was a bit more normalized it was culturally accepted but it was still immoral um but it's it's the thing is what you said about being ignorant like so not seeing things that are happening to animals makes it easier to make this choice do you think like if more people knew the impact of their choices maybe that would influence their change I think it's really hard because most people know at least the basics not many are completely informed but many know the basics of it and still choose to not do it you know like I'm actually trying not to use makeup that's right on animals yeah yeah it's because you believe that animals deserve to be treated with respect yeah yes I was vegan but it was very difficult a physically healthy way healthy yeah oh wow that's interesting because the science that we've we've seen as a plant-based lifestyle is the healthiest on earth there's no saturated fat no cholesterol still like it's hard to make that last step you know last step so I think with most people's like that they are aware at least a little bit but they decide not to because for their own pleasure have you like for me personally I've been inside a slaughterhouse while they're decapitating animals I've went into sanctuaries where animals have been rescued from these facilities uh survival stories I've connected with animals I understand that they're just like me but look differently uh maybe think a little bit differently uh but they they want to live they they want to they want to be treated with respect and and this is what really motivates me animals can't speak can they they can't say stop that hurts or don't do that to me uh but a lot of people with all good people you could ask nearly every person here they'll say they care about animals wouldn't they they don't want to see animals get hurt but they will buy a burger yeah but if you buy a burger we're we're we're saying we want to pay for animals to be killed for us so you're right I see images that are too strong for me uh in general yeah of course we should be informed and that would totally like make us do a change and become vegan but like I think the human nature like most people choose not to be informed or this choice involves victims so it's more like yeah we're choosing to be ignorant to the harm we are causing to others it's very weird yeah I've seen that people make that mistake before you didn't do it correctly at the start this is why with challenge 22 uh they help they help you they help you do it but have you got a card here let me give you this card but anyway you seem like you're well on your way um a few more points maybe a few more things and in your own time some people take a little bit longer than others for me I went I had some information for about six months and then I went bang that's it that's it four years and before that you used to eat meat a lot heaps uh peaks for breakfast chickens for lunch cows for dinner big steaks like this Australia I made the complete switch complete switch because I had an inconsistency I was contradicting my heart and I can't live with that I had to be honest to myself and me eating in Australia it's huge barbecues and beer and what does the what is the point of view of the Australian people when it comes to everyone's pretty much everyone's been programmed with the same culture yeah we can get we can get food with our animals in it here yes yeah I guess do you think the lion will be happy with that we've candid all of us out but always have a card with some information ethics environment help yeah that's great yeah so thank you so much and the motivation no worries here let me give you a little card here challenge 22 challenge 22 when you look at it from the eyes of the the victim it really helps your your decision because you go okay it's okay from sounding over this way but when I go like this wow it's a it's a the decision becomes more easy to make so would the lion be happy with that with uh with what we did not eat with vegan food uh I think so I think you think so I think the next generation of lions would like to do that okay that's good good to hear my friend good to hear your opinion about being vegan how it makes you to be a better person makes you to be a better person well when you become vegan uh you realize that you've been causing a lot of harm a lot of unnecessary harm with your choices and when you become vegan you've just stopped causing that harm so it's the first step but it doesn't make you this excellent excellent person it just means you've stopped hurting animals