 Death is a part of us, man. Yeah, natural death, not enslaving and killing and torturing and raping. That's not life, that's fucking evil. It's rape. You don't know what the will is, you're talking shit. Oh fuck, that's cool. Okay, so here we are at Burke Street Mall in Melbourne. We've got a table set up. Dairy is the rape industry. Prove me wrong. We're gonna see if anyone can prove me wrong. Bucking. Yeah, it's just the Oscars. Did you? Yeah? Hear what he said? He said, uh, Bucking Phoenix. Did you see his speech at the Oscars? Yeah. Wow. That's probably why everyone agrees now. Dairy industry. Me? I'm against it, mate. Nah, do you want to come sit down? I don't want to prove you wrong, man. Do you want to have a conversation about it, though? Well, I don't. You can tell me what it's about, because they mill the bulls. Uh, they, uh... They put an anal ejaculator into the male bulls, hold them down at a cattle crush, take their semen from them, and then they, uh, hold the cervix of the female cow through the rectum by shoving their fist inside the reinus and inject it with bull semen. And I'm saying, uh, dairy is the rape industry. Focusing on the fact that it's the methane. That's sort of causing damage to the environment. Did it probably resonate with people a little bit more? Nah, I don't care about that. I care more about the animal rights violations. It's like if they were children being abused in big industrial complexes, and you said to me, don't you care more about the methane? I'd say, no, I care about the children being abused. You know what I mean? They're cow. Okay. They don't feel pain, suffer, you know? I just reckon you get people listening to you. I think it's, uh, like, spitting in the face of these animals by caring more about methane than their rights and their suffering and their, you know, this injustice that's happening to them. Like, what if they were dogs in, like, Yulin, China, where they're torturing and killing dogs? And you said, well, what about the environmental footprint of this, you know, it's like, for me, it's not the same issue. Fuck it, fuck it. I don't know, it's just, it's like, it's not nice, but it's a bigger issue. Well, they're both issues. They're both, they're both issues. But what I mean is, you see how everyone's just walking past and not walking here? Well, that's because it's a pretty hard topic to challenge. Do you really care about cows? Yeah. Cows and cows rights? Yeah, it doesn't matter if I love them or if I don't. I care about what's fair and what's right. And I know that this is cruel. Like, I don't necessarily love every single person. I meet either or walks past, but I'd care if they get hurt. Like, I don't think this is nice at all, either. Yeah. There's much more better ways than they could do it. Obviously, I've never seen any of this stuff. Well, yeah, I don't know if there's a better way to exploit and kill someone or rape someone. Do you think humane rape is a thing? Sorry? Yeah. Yeah, because I boycott these industries. Yeah. Because I'm against what they do. So I hunt? I shoot deer? Yeah. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't know. Do you tell me? Like, from your perspective. From my perspective, I think it's murder to shoot deer. Yeah. So they're an invasive species? Whereabouts? In Victoria. Are they? Yeah, they're introduced. They're killing a lot of the naturally born. Yeah. You want to sit down and talk about this, man? I don't really. Oh, okay. We can talk about it from here. Yeah, they're considered a pest. Yeah, but, okay, do you want to talk? I consider humans pests. We destroy more of the natural wildlife and the environment more than any other species on Earth. And we have the audacity to call deer pests. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. They're an introduced species. I wouldn't want to. So are we. Look at all this. This used to be wildlife. Who destroyed it? Deer? Who's the problem? It's a very small problem. The deer. It's a very small problem. We are bigger problem than deer. But I don't think murdering humans is the solution. So I don't think murdering deer is the solution. You know what I mean? Yeah, but wait, you introduce me. Humans do. All I'm saying is that you're saying murdering deer solves the problem of pest infestation, yeah? I'm saying human beings are a bigger pest than deer, but we wouldn't use that as a justification to hunt humans. So where do we go from there then? Find a more ethical way. What's a more ethical way to get rid of thousands and thousands and invasive species? Yeah. Well, we got billions. Human beings are destroying the planet way faster than deer are. So do you think a deer and a human are equal? I never said that. No, I just think both deserve a right to life. And I think both deserve not to be killed. It's an invasive species that's... I don't care. You're an invasive species. I'm an invasive species. Yeah. So I'm nailing it. I'm nailing it. Well, I could throw the same thing at you. Where have I invaded from? I don't know. Where have I invaded from? Well, you're born here in Australia? No, I wasn't. Okay. I'm going to use the same thing to you. I say you're an invasive species. Let's go out and kill humans, you know? No. Because they're destroying the environment. You know what I mean? Yeah, but what's your end game? Do you consume dairy products? No, what's your end game? You just said be more ethical. I think being vegan is the best solution we have. Yeah, so everyone becomes vegan. Yeah. So you're an invasive species with massive populations of introduced species that are killing cats, dogs, rabbits, that are just all over Australia. Yeah. You think don't kill them. Do you still consume dairy? What's that? Do you still consume dairy and meat and all that? Okay. I try not to consume beef because of the meat thing. Meat thing? I get it. I try to consume land. Is that destroying the sign? It's going to destroy the sign. Let's move it over. Move your camera over as well, dude. Yeah, look. Look. I know what you're saying, dude. I just, I wouldn't use that justification to kill you and you have a bigger environmental footprint than a deer does? Yeah. Like by far? Yeah. Do you have children? No. But people who have children, those children will grow up to have a much larger environmental footprint and especially if they're consuming dairy, eggs and meat. What I don't get is what's your end game? Like what are you hoping to achieve? Are there people that you're saying be more ethical? My end game is to boycott the industries that exploit and kill animals. There you are. Yeah. The pests, invasive pests. Well, that's not a bigger issue as dairy, meat, eggs. Why is there disharmony in the environment anyway? Yeah, I agree there. It's a meat thing. So what happened to the natural predators? Man, I don't know what the question is. But you're putting this argument to me. What happened to the natural predators? I'll tell you what happened to them. Farmers killed them off to protect their wild, to protect their stock, their livestock. So meat, dairy, eggs is causing this disharmony in the environment. Yeah? So we created this problem. And your solution is to go and shoot these poor animals in the head? The invasive species. Yeah, 100%. 100%. You're an invasive species. Just hold the invasive species. I'm an invasive species. Man, you don't understand. Like rabbits breed like wildlife. Millions and millions of them in Australia. What gives them less of a right than the other animals? Because they don't destroy, they're not native. Neither are you. Yeah, but they're not doing damage to them. You are. Yeah, but you can't. You are. I am. I'm not comparing myself to a rabbit or any invasive species. You said you just know killing animals. I'm just saying, how do you justify it when you cause more of an environmental destruction than these animals do? You're almost human being. I don't care. What difference do you have to in your... Okay, so if everything you get works, where does it go other than be more ethical? Okay, I can tell you where to start. You can start by boycotting the industries that cause mass murder and torture. You can start by not treating all the dairy industry, beef, chicken. So being vegan is the best thing you can do. And then you've got to ask yourself, is shooting animals in the head the best solution, or should we maybe start a round table of discussion on what's a better ethical, a more ethical way of dealing with the problem we created? So in Newark, Queensland, say pigs, for example. Wild boar? Wild boar. They're introduced, and they've got thousands and thousands and thousands of them, and they rip up the... I understand. I know about it. They destroy the environment. They kill all the kangaroos. They kill all the koalas. We kill the kangaroos, dude. We kill kangaroos. You know we call kangaroos a pest in Australia? They're a native animal here. They belong here more than British settlers. I'm not on an argument, man. I'm just saying that there's millions of them that are destroying it right now. Brother, listen to me. And the more you sit around and talk, the more they eat it, and I'm saying that killing them for meat and making use of those wild boar is a reasonable solution. Making use of them? We're eating them. Use your same justification to human beings. I'm not a cannibal, man. Why not? Because I'm just not... And then the most environmentally friendly way of getting... That's a stupid question. Of course not. Why am I not a cannibal? I'm just saying, you know, the most environmentally friendly meat you can get would be human meat. You kill a human, which has got a better carbon footprint. But my argument... I'll put it... Why wouldn't you violate a human's rights to get ethical, environmentally friendly meat? Right? Why wouldn't you violate a human's rights? But you're violating these other animals' rights. I don't think you're making sense to be honest with y'all. Why not? I'm applying your justification in the human context so that you understand what it's like because you obviously see animals so far below us that they don't deserve their own right to life. I'm saying... I'm not saying there's no problem. I'm not saying there's no pollution. I'm not saying any of that doesn't exist. I'm just saying... You just said I'm a murderer, aren't you? Because I shoot an invasive species like a deer. I don't shoot... I think it's murder. Murder. You're an invasive species. 25 years in prison for shooting a wild deer. I think it's murder. 25 years in prison because I shot a wild deer. That's what you're looking for? Well, the prison sentence should apply... I don't know about the prison sentence, right? It's murder, man. It's murder. That's what we do in this... But I think if animals had rights protecting them, then, yeah, you should be prosecuted for violating their... Well, I don't know about the sentence. Sometimes you don't get 25 years for murdering a human. 15 years. I should get a prison sentence. Well, we can talk about the prison sentence, but I'm here discussing the rapes in the dairy industry, right? Yeah, I didn't know that. All right. I'm talking about the rapes in the dairy industry, brother. Yeah. And we're stuck on invasive species. And you're an invasive species. Yeah. Yeah. We're stuck there. We kill kangaroos here, dude. We call them a what? A pest. They live here. Yeah. So, like, this insanity of shooting animals... Well, what's the difference between a kangaroo and a deer? Because they're from here. They're native. But they're a pest animal. They're causing the same disharmony in the environment as the others. Yes, they are. They're a pest of farmers. They're not a pest animal in the natural environment. They're not. So, you're telling the kangaroos... Why do they cull them? They cull them on farms. Why don't they kill cull them in the natural environment? They cull them because they're considered a pest here. No, they don't. They do not cull kangaroos in the natural environment. They don't. Well, where they cull them? Where's their natural environment? Where farmers are sticking up their livestock farms. Yeah. Alright, and then they go up and shoot them. I'm using the same argument that you used to just... I'm not just trying. You know, what I'm trying to do, bro... I don't do nothing with the native animals, man. I'm all for Australia. I don't do nothing with the native animals, man. So, if you're not native, it's okay to shoot you. That's what you do to deer. That's the dumbest argument you could have. No, your argument is deer aren't from here, so it's okay to shoot them. They're invasive species. You're an invasive species that are breeding on wildfire. Fire? And there's too many of them. It's getting out of control. They're destroying the environment actively very quickly. What other solution do you have? Why don't we find a better one? Why don't we find a better one? Have you heard of shooting them with, like, something that de-sexes them instead of shooting them in the head and eating them? That's an idea. I'm sure they've considered that. Well, all I'm saying... Look, what I'm saying is we don't entertain other solutions, do we? Do you not think that someone's considered that? Well, I don't know. Because hunters like to use it as a justification for hunting and eating, and people who don't care about animals aren't looking for ethical solutions. We are. We are, dude. Well, I don't know about you, but you obviously care enough about the environment. If you care enough about the environment, dude, you'd be helping people go vegan. You'd be helping people go vegan like I am. You'd be saying, I'm a vegan activist, I'm an animal rights activist, right? You'd be looking for ethical solutions for all of it. What point was, I just think that it would resonate with people a little bit more? Resonates with you more. Well, people. People wouldn't ignore you much if you're focused on the methane issue. I don't get ignored. I've been talking to you. I've got 100,000 subscribers on YouTube. I don't get ignored. People care about animal cruelty, bro. It was just an idea for you. A lot of meat eaters are anti-hunting. So people care about animals. Even if they're eating meat, they're just not connected to this. I'm not cool for that. I'm not arguing with you, man. I've never seen that. I didn't know what it was, man. So why don't the dairy industry promote this? Why do they promote it? Why don't they show this? This is standard practice. Standard practice electro-ajaculation of male bulls in a cattle crush to take their semen, fisting cows in the anus to hold their cervix and inject them in the bullsemen, taking their children from the murdering after they've stolen all their milk. I mean, stop saying murder. It's not murder. Why not? It's killing an animal. You read the dictionary? I mean, why do you have those seeds? For biting into apples. I don't know. And they're not. It's an incisor, man. It's for cutting meat. It's actually a canine. Yeah, for cutting meat. These are incisors. It's a canine. Do you rip the meat? Who said that? I told you that. So you've got claws? Where's your claws? Man, your ancestors were apes, man. And apes ate meat. You think these justify this? These little tiny teeth? No, I'm just saying that you're calling it murder. I'm saying this is probably pretty stupid the way they're doing it. They probably couldn't do it better ways. Murder means to, well, there's kill brutally? To kill a person. Slay wantingly? No, it doesn't. Which dictionary? What? No, there's other, there's definitions that don't apply to humans. You said also your prison sentence is shooting a wild animal. No, you said that. It's invasive. No, you did. You said that. I said it's murder. You said, oh, so I have to do 25 years. And you said, yeah, we just talk about a prison sentence. It's murder. We could talk about prison sentences for violating the rights of animals. You know, it's legal to enslave and kill animals right now. I don't think it should be. I think it should be illegal. What do you think? People can't have pet dogs. That's got nothing to do with the animal agriculture industry. So you breed a set of puppies? I don't think that's ethical. Have you got a pet dog? You know, you're going into these gray areas. I don't have a pet dog. No, no, no. You said you shouldn't enslave animals. We do that with dogs. Well, it depends what you're doing. Are you breeding them and are you buying off a breeder? I don't think that's ethical. But are you rescuing from a kill shelter to provide a home? My point is, right, I get what you're trying to do, but you're focusing on these tiny little bits. This isn't tiny. Dairy industry is one of the biggest industries that enslave and kill animals on earth, by far. Nothing comes close to the dairy industry. The meat industry. The meat thing is the issues. This is an animal rights issue. It's an animal rights violation. It's animal cruelty. That's the issue. I thought it was methane. My thing is it's methane. Veganism's got nothing to do with methane. It's got everything to do with animal rights. Yeah, well, I just reckon you get more people chatting with you through the methane thing. I've got about a hundred million views across my platforms. I'll get plenty of people. A hundred million. Yeah. I've got a 300,000 across my three platforms. Yeah, well, that's pretty good, man. People listen to me, dude. Just because you're not. No, I ain't listen to you. No, but what you're doing is you're finding excuses. You're finding excuses for something that's horrific. I've been disagreed with you on a couple of points. You know, I just think the bigger issue... You don't want me to tell you that shooting a deer is murder because then you become a murderer. That's why you don't want me to tell you. Not because it's objectively killing someone who wants to live. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Think about it from their perspective. And that's the argument, man. Like, good luck to you, man. If you think shooting a wild animal... A wild animal that's... What about this first? Let's do this first. It's murder. Is this bad? It's murder. We'll do that after... It's sticking with murder. It's to slay wantingly or to kill brutally in a dictionary? Murder. It's murder. Now, what do you think about this? This is bad? This should stop? Do you think this should stop? They take their children off them afterwards. They take their milk off them and then they turn them into burgers. Well, they take their calves off them. Yeah, yeah, that's good. You're stuck on words, bro. Yeah, I am stuck on words. Words are very important. They're descriptive and they mean what you say. No, because we use euphemisms like meat instead of murdered animal flesh, right? And it helps us go, oh, it's just meat. It feeds into your illusion. It's life, man. I'm trying to break your illusion. Man, it's what? It's death. It's murder. It's not life. Death is a part of life, man. Yeah, natural death. Not enslaving and killing and torturing and raping. That's not life. That's fucking evil. That's hell. Yeah, look, I'm sure they could do it better ways. I'm sure they could do it better ways. Can't rape someone. I'm not for the dairy industry because of the methane. Well, then boycott it. Boycott it. If you showed the sheep industry, that's not dairy, I think. What industry is sheep? Well, they still sexually exploit those animals as well. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. They still hack their heads off. To stop the torturing because... I sort of agree that the dairy industry... Because of the methane. The methane issue is the issue for me. Well, it's not the issue for the cows, is it? The issue for the cows is they're getting raped and killed. You know what I mean? My family founded Australia's dairy industry and it was done on the basis of... Go do that. It's semen, mate. All they're doing is they're taking semen, they're using it to... Mate, you are talking so far out of your backside so far. This is electro-ejaculation. They stick a dildo in their arse and then they rape them in the arm. Well, that's probably a very pleasant experience. I mean, I know that they're being raped. They're being raped. They're not being raped. Well, it's against their will. It's your twisted head that actually... It's against their will. It's your twisted mind. Mate, what do you know about the will of a cow? Because they hold them in a rape rack. They hold them down. That is standard farming techniques... I'm saying you have to hold them down because they don't want it done to them. I'm just saying to you, you're a perverted individual. This is the ban. I'm trying to stop them. No, it's not perverted. This is not perverted. Why am I perverted? Because I don't do this. I don't do this always in the case. I don't know what you're about to do. This is standard practice. I don't want animals being raped. I'm saying they're not being raped. He's fighting me. He's fighting me. How did they used to do it beforehand before all these mechanisms? They would have been through a hand job, basically. Oh, right. I don't know just saying anymore. And what they do is they get a snuggle. How do you think that Australia is successful as a nation? I want farmers to prosper. I want plant farmers to prosper. Please, I'm for farmers. So am I. Plant farmers. Yeah, but rape for me. If that was you, it would be rape, mate. If that was you, it would be rape. But they're not people. They're not people. If it was a dog, it would be rape. If it was a woman, it would be rape. It's rape for them. This is how dogs also get artificially inseminated, mate. It's not rape. If it's against their will, it's rape. You don't know what their will is. You're talking shit. They're like children. They can't give consent. Mate, these are cows, our entire nation. I don't care. Then leave the country because you are a failure and you're setting a nation up for failure. You're a disgrace, mate. I don't care. I care more about the cows than the milk. Well, the word applies. It's rape. They cannot give consent. And if he's more angry at me than he is going on the screen, then... So if this makes people so upset, right, why are we doing it to them for? You know, it's obviously a disgusting topic. This is how everyone gets their dairy and their cheese and their yogurt. You know? It's not a small thing, dude. Have you ever been raped like this? Have you ever been raped like this? They get raped and killed. They get killed, turned into burgers. That's not a small thing for the cow. Who's going to speak up for these cows, dude? I keep going back to the methane. Fuck the methane. This is animal rights issue, bro. I get it, yeah. Methane's bad. It's causing climate change. That affects you and your... It's not a much bigger issue. And this pales in significance to the fact that large amounts of methane... They're connected. They're connected. These issues are connected. You boycott this. You boycott the methane problem, too. Yeah, you're right. Okay? So we're both on the same... Yeah. I want to convince him. Yeah. And he came up and argued with you then. You could have. You could have. You could have been on my team and gone, well, wait a second. If we boycott this rape and this industry, because I'm an animal rights activist, I'm not an environmentalist. All right? You're saying it's an issue that people would resonate with. I don't know, man. I'm just trying to help you. More than anything. If you want to help me, brother, go vegan. Go vegan and help others go vegan. I'm vegetarian on and off. They're all evil. Bro, you're smart. You're holding a very high conversation with me intelligently. What's the matter, bro? What the fuck? Fuck it up. What? Like, when guys like that guy... Every decision you've taken... Because he's not going to... He's... He's opening statements with his family. He's from that industry. So he's never... He's not going to grow on this. They're broke. They do it to like horses. They do it to chickens. They do it to all animals, I know. And they don't... And no one calls them out for it. No one... They don't force dogs to fucking breathe. I don't know if they do it. No, they don't technically do this. They might jack off the dog and that. But they haven't asked that dog. They haven't asked this cow. And the thing is, bro, I know what you're going to say. They cannot consent. At this point you just said they haven't asked. They cannot consent. They don't understand. They can't conceptualise what they're doing to them. They're innocent like children, dude. They cannot go, Yeah, do this to me. Rate me. Take my kid. Stick your fist inside of me. They can't tell you that. They're innocent like little children. These are only one year old when they get this done to them. I didn't realise how fast cows grow. Does that have to form-sized cows? They have to wait until they're productive. They get massive. 18 months for females, I think. And about a year old for males. Guys like him, I think they did it. What's your name, man? Jeremy. It's Jeremy. Look, he's been conditioned by the dairy industry for longer. I'm trying to reach the entire public, and not everyone's going to be on board. Try and convince guys like that. I don't have to. I'll just give it. You would probably get for it, aren't you? I'm not trying to convert him. I'm trying to reach the entire population. And most people are compassionate. He might not make the connection. This lady might. This lady has. This lady is against it. You know what I mean? You're a bit on the side of methane or whatever. You can't get the animal rights thing. But you're not an animal. If you were, I'd be defending you. It's hard to put your head around it. You've got to use empathy. Put yourself in their position. That's what I did. I think there's levels to the empathy that you're suffering. You've got to put the same level with a person that'll do a care help. I don't think you do either. I think you're born to- No, not necessarily but a small child. Any animal. An animal rights activist. But don't think you have the same amount of empathy or compassion for any of that to animals as you do to people. Depends who the person is. Depends who the person is. There's some evil fucking people out here, mate. And animals have not- This cow has done nothing wrong to anyone. Or I've done more wrong to people in my life than this cow has. I can guarantee you that. When I go fishing, when I go fishing, you catch fish. It's hunting. It's stabbing fish, dragging them out. If you care about the ocean. Do you know what it means? Yeah, I know. That's why I don't really fish that much anymore. I don't think it's torturing an animal, dragging them out of their home for no reason, dude. We've got plant-based alternatives. Well, it's just the sharp teeth. Yeah, meat. They are ridiculously tiny. Even if they're from meat. You have no claws. You don't eat your- You're not a lion. Yeah, I'm just saying. It's ludicrous to point at these tiny canines and go, let's create an animal holocaust. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying meat's the natural part of it. The natural part of it. You like that? Rape is natural too. It's evil. Yeah, I agree with that. Eat less of smaller animals. Try and tone it back. I agree with all of that. Why not go vegan? Why not go vegan? Why not go vegan? Monday to Friday. What? And on the weekend, Abusing kill animals on the weekend. No, don't abuse and kill animals. Just eat it. Try and tone it. You're not a vegan then. Vegans are against the exploitation and killing of animals. I don't know. They'll kill. Exploitation of animals. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? There's no such thing as humane rape or humane murder. So, so- Euthanasia is different because it's consenting. So we let the cow- So the sheep and the- The ram go in a pan. Yeah. Well, you're creating an environment where a sheep can't escape the ram. You're creating that environment. You're mass breeding them. You're still exploiting those animals. They're stupid as sheepies. They've got a love run on them. Some people are really stupid as well, mate. You shouldn't exploit them, though. This is where your argument- What loses me? When you compare humans to- Okay, well, I will- You're a sheep. You know, pigs have the mental capacity of a three-year-old child, okay? Should we exploit three-year-old children? There's some people with a mental disability. Stop pairing animals to people. There's some people with a mental handicap of, say, a pig. A three-year-old. I'm against abortion, man. I don't think you should kill people at all. 100%. With the topics animal rights, I mean- You just- I can compare- I'm against killing unborn child children as well, definitely. 100%. Well, it depends. If that heart's beating, if that heart's beating, well, it's in the womb, I think it's killing. We care about sentience, whether you're conscious and whether you're- able to perceive your reality. Then you deserve rights. Until then, you know, you don't deserve- you don't need rights. You're not a- you know, like plants. They don't have a consciousness. They don't perceive reality. They don't have wants or desires. If you're a, you know- Humans and a sheep. Which is on a different level, man. Not all humans. That's what I'm saying. There's some humans with a mental handicap. We wouldn't exploit them because they don't understand. That's what I mean. What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China? Because I'm saying, we're comparing sentience and intelligence. I'm saying there are some humans with a mental capacity of a sheep. We wouldn't exploit that human because of their mental capacity. Okay? We don't need it. We don't need it. That's not the issue of animal rights. I'm saying you're using the justification. They don't understand. They're not smart like me. That's the supremacist attitude. I'm saying that you're saying that you put in a pen that's cruel. I'm saying a sheep loves being in that pen and running around in a ramsheet gets the fuck all the sheep. I'm saying they're exploiting them for their meat. But how's it exploiting them? For their meat, because they kill them and eat them. So if you let them out, so if you let them out- Why do they have sheep? So what about the- Why do farmers have sheep? So the indigenous aboriginals, the first peoples of this country- Why do farmers have sheep? When they threw a spear at a kangaroo, is that exploiting- Are they exploiting the- They're in a survival situation trying to survive. What are you doing? Trying to survive. Okay, but you can walk in a supermarket and buy a vegan stuff that doesn't need animals to be exploited and killed, yeah? You're not a tribesman. Who has to do what they got to do. Are you? So why use that argument? Because they're just calling it murder. Because of animal rights. Because it's a definition of the word. Kill brutally. You can Google it when you get home the definitions of murder. It's not just one person killing another person. Yeah, well that's okay, man. If you want to use words there's other definitions to words too. I'm saying it's murder. I just thought murder was a definition for a person killing another person. It is, it's a criminal word as well. And it's also there's slay wantingly, kill brutally. Those are the two words that apply to animals as well. I'm saying, well what about killing someone against their will? They want to live. We exploit them, we kill them. We know they want to live because they avoid a knife in the throat. They struggle for their life. They're scared inside a slaughterhouse. They have to hold them down in clamps to rape them. Because they don't want to be touched. I'll go back to the meat though, man. I thought I was talking to you anyway, man. What's your name, man? Jeremy. Jeremy, Joey, mate. Good talking to you, mate.