 Magandang araw pumulisa inyong lahat sa ating mga manunohod. Welcome to another episode of Cine Pinoy. At ako po ang inyong linkod, Dr. G.G. Javier Alfonso. At kayong araw, isang tanyang animator, experimental filmmaker, cartoonist, musician, at visual artist ang makakasama natin, excited nako. And with 40 years as kanyang karera, sa kanyang karera bilang isang independent artist, nagsimula ang ating guest bilang isang cartoonist noong 1970s at ginawa ang sikat na sa sarasar comic strip sa Manila Bulatin mula 1980 anggang 2000. Kasama ang kanyang kapatinon na isa ring tanyang na artist, isa siya sa mga founding members ng imahe nation. Na naging scenicale, isang grupo ng mga filmmakers at musicians na nagdala at nagdadala ng mga pelikula at musika sa mga lansangan. Noong 1980s naging kilala siya sa paglika ng mga experimental films, shot in super eight, siguro nung paro na yun may eight millimeter din ano, at ginagamit niya ito at naghandroresya doon. Itong dito sa pixelated life action pieces na tiratawang. Tulad ng kanyang mga pelikula na the great smoke at wan gapang. Dahil sa kanyang edgy, humorous and independent approach sa pagawa ng mga pelikula ay pinuri siya ng maraming kritiko. Naging inspiration sa maraming yang experimental filmmakers at ang kanyang mga experimental films ay naipalabas sa western Europe, japan at Singapore. Mga kaibigan, ikinagagalap ko na makasama ngayong araw ang isang independent artist and experimental filmmaker, Mr. Roque Federizo Lee. Oh mas kilala bilang Rox Lee. Rox Lee, dapat ang mahano ako sa iyo. Guru, kilala na animator at filmmaker. Agree ka sa. Yung parang tanda ko na talaga yung pag-interview. 40 years? 40 years. Ang tanda pa ako sa iyo Rox. 50 years or parang naman ko yun? Garong ba. Okay, as always young. With 40 years. Okay, now. Let me now start. Sino ba si Rox Lee? Tell us about you. Good afternoon, good evening, good morning. I am Roque Lee. For short, I make it short as Rox Lee. Parang me do naman may kontin show this effect. Say, go ahead. Diba taga naga city? Yes, I am from Bicol, Kamarin is from Naga city. Where? Mayun volcano east. How about your parents? Parents day is still in Bicol. My mother is now 96 years old. Wow, that's great. Pero nagaro na siya, nag abroad na, sa atas. Is it true that your father was doing calligraphy? I think so. When I was small, may list is a Chinese brush. Oh, the ink yun, di ba? Ink and brush. Yes, calligraphy. Pero, di siya of the drawing. Parang ano ang calligraphy na. Yung mga characters, di ba? So, you started as a cartoonist, di ba? And pa ano ka na punta sa filmmaking? Particularly expy films, di ba? Experimental. When I started Jingle magazine, started as illustrator, cartoonist. So, from Jingle to Bulletin. And then while studying Bulletin, I was able to attend workshop at Mowell Palm Film Institute. Ayun kaya ka na punta? Do na kami nag-ompisa ng Super 8. Kasi provided nila yung Super 8 camera. Super 8 na kagad. Mabutin, di ka na duman sa 8mm, Super 8 kagad. Oh, mam. Kasi yung Super 8, parang 8mm rin yun. So, accessible na yun sa Mowell Palm, sa ka, may sponsor ng GATI Institute. Panding nila, panding nila. So, we are free to attend the workshop and as long as we produce there, we can make some movies. Short films out of Super 8. Yeah, yeah, great. So, di ba from Super 8, nagpunta ka sa of course 16mm, 35mm. And now I'm into digital. But I still like to operate. Of course. I still want to shoot in Super 8. In fact, I'm shooting Super 8 now and just a short film. Animation by Single Frame. Oh, Single Frame. Lab ko pa rin yung Super 8. That was a time na nag-scratch ka rin sa cellulite direct yoy di ba sa film? Yes mam, po di yung ano. Direct to sa film itself, po di mo yung projection, makikita mo yung image. Just say. Correct. Ano ang kaibahan ng isang Rocksley film sa ibang mga gumagawa ng film? Ikingin ko naman kung ang pangkakaiba medyo rough yung gawa ko yung. Hindi siya masyadong commercial. So I try to maintain it na medyo not exactly maintain it pero yung siguro natural ko yung Hindi siya commercial. More personal yung expression na ginagawa ko sa mga short films. Like drawings or animation. So di na color po eh. Kaya medyo ano lang. Pero yung mga sinasabi mo dun pagusapan natin. We'll go to that when we talk about your films. Isaysay natin yan. Kasi napaka interesting. Pero how do you describe pero yung humor makikita ko dyan sa gawa mo. What type of humor is that? May pagkasorial na nakakagulat na medyo. Ano siya? Hindi siya ano kasi yung para minsan maysang sinasatay. Satay. Satirical yung humor na yung inject na. Por example yung animation of great smoke. Great smoke. That's a everybody really remembers that. We'll always cite it. That was done in separate and it was shot. Nakaproject lang yung. Nakatutok. Drawing ng pasadang ng drawing na automatic. So na kukuha. Naka-kukuha naman siya. 6 minutes. So, yun more on black and white yung great smoke. Yanong content no? Anti-nuk. Medyo anti-war. Anti-war. Kasi... Ano ko doon mo? Medyo... Ano ko na yung music doon? I get the music from Pink Floyd. Kasi ano ko yung Pink Floyd doon? I am a fan of Pink Floyd. So kano ako yung instrumental music na doon ko yung corporate cigarette smoke. Hindi nga ko na paalam sa kanila. Pero yan I tried not to get music from other sources. As much as possible. Original. Specialist students and makers. Make it an original music. Para masgipayan di masyadong magandao. At least it's original. Napakadaming awards na kami titong great smoke na ito. Kaya saan ala tayo, mapanood natin yan. So, accessible yan. How do we watch your films? I think some of them are... Na sa YouTube. Yes, na sa YouTube. So, we expect everyone to watch his films. Itong ABCD. Oh, it's there. Tawas ko ano nga. It's also animation. It's wonderful. It's supposed to be Children's Animation. Film. Pero it turns out na Poradors only. Hindi ko namin din yung children's animation. Poradors na ABCD. So parit din yan naman? Ano yan ay 1985, correct? When you are just... I think you are just seven years old. Hindi mo. Hindi mo talaga. Okay. Sabi ko nga sayo mas patanda pa ako sayo. So 1986, ang ginawaman naman lizard. How to perform in front of a reptile. That was shot in 16mm. Another one sponsored by the Getty Institute. So, you are talking about... Pero ngayon, di ba? Digital na. Yes, more and more. Democratized na yung... Liberated. Anybody can do movies, films. As long as you have... Something to say. Sayo. Okay. Basta may magandang visuals ka. Magandang story. You can do it. Alone. Yes. Itong one gapag, penagapang mo sa buong penasiya tayo. Dito lang around... Ano mo ang gusto mo sabihin sa pedicula niya? Wala. It's just a concept na... It's just a concept na... to crawl. Parang aralang. I think it's an statement ko doon. Parang I want to show the Filipino people na ang hirap ng buoy na still crawling. Until now, this is still crawling especially this kind of... Oo. Kayak ginawa mo ito naon. Parang hangga ngayon yung parin na problema. Pero in a way yung... Nagkakaroon, midyutimiting naman. Hindi na masyarong gumagapang. Kasi yung karakters doon, two karakters yun. Yung isa nag-gumapang pero napaltos na yung. Kaya napagod doon. Another one. Dar one gumagapang doon ni. Throughout Metro Manila. Pitos, wedding, 1994 and Cesar Asar. Paray ho yung artista mo doon, di ba? May artista. Di ko lang. Di ko lang. Kasi ito's wedding was also shared in 35mm. Tapos sa dulo may animation kayo. Ayan sa dulo, we were able to incorporate the animation. Just very short animation. Para sabihin mo, nakasalimin eh. Pari yung... Karina yung anak ko. Pwede nakawam rin maman yung season. Oo naman, ikaw naman. Dar o ting naman yun. Paro laman na ano. Cesar Asar. Yun doon kami medyo. Doon kami medyo sumablai sa Cesar Asar. We produce that film at 35mm. Pero financially, parang di... Kayo din naman. Oo, dahil. Oo, di naman namin. Kailangan bawihin o what. Gusto makagawa na. Pero we spent because it's a Poland movie. Wala naman kaming support na ibang... Kayo kayo. Kami kaming mag-akapakit nag-gumuwanon. Si Monli kisamong toon. Kusama namin, inentren namin. Inentren namin sa Mitur Manila Pen Festival doon. I think that was 1990s. Pero masyad na politika yung Mitur Manila doon. Masking ngayon siguro eh. Mitur Manila Pen Festival. Hindi talaga inanggap. Hindi talaga binigyan ng chance. Naman ay palabas sa movie chatter. Kaya. Wala naman, di palabas talaga sa movie chatter na throughout the Philippines doon. So anyway. Na tapos din doon, until now we have the copy na bong tawin din naman ay papalabas din in digital nal lang. In digital. Wonderful. So you have made several films also in 2000, di ba? Yung kadokton huang gulay batong buhay. So documentary. Dokiw. So kailalaka din doon eh. Dokiw, Expe, at syaka animation. Tapos, Lapula. That was shot in digital nal. In animation. Oh digital nal. Mga 20 filmmakers kami na. 2006. 2006. Mga independent filmmakers na. Mga 20 filmmakers na. Sabay-sabay na shot na five minutes or six minutes. Four shots lang. Green rocking chair. Diba, ikaw na naman star doon. Kasi yung mga naman pa. Higori o goyogoy katun sa. Yung naka sa yung available doon. No. O saka di mo na kayang bayadan yung art. Korek. Gagan art di ba. Yes. So it was we, the original title that was one by buy-in yung. Original title. One by buy-in. Mayro ka yung one by buy-in? Mayro ka yung one by buy-in? It was also co-produced by Flutterdam. Tell us. Pinoy Birdman, who is the Pinoy Birdman? Diba yun yung ginagawang? The current digital film we are making. Korek. So you can tell us about that. Ako na rin yung ano doon kasi I have to make a mask. Ako na rin naglagay nang masang bird. Korek. So I have to act it my own, more own personal movie. Yes. So masabuhilo kasi stand camera lang pag napunta'y sa isang lugar po di na mag-shoot. Nag-anong-anong lang. Kaya even yung pandemic ngayon gumagawa pa rin, diba? Yes, ma'am. Non-stop, diba? Non-stop. Doon kami nakabuhirupang sa pandemic kasi you can just do it on animation mong sing it nasa isang solo ka lang mag-agawa mo na animation. Mag-agawa. O. Kaya maganda din yung talaga. Tapos nung ano, nag-ret rock style. Ay, gumawang. Sige, kuwento han mo ako noon. Kuwento han mo kami noon. Two years ago at time dito sa UP Film Center. Yes, sir. So it was done in the UP Film and nagkarong kami ng musical performance rin with Kevin and another girl. Ayong mga musikero. Mga musikero. Tapos yun binasag yung piano. Binalakong yung piano. Pero partin ang anong performance. Pero, of course, the piano is already old. With respect to the piano. Yung landscape ng XP films. Tumawak ba, nagimba ba? Experimental films. I think it's Boy in a boy. It's becoming more and more worldwide. Kasi digitally, mas nakabuil yung mga student filmmakers. Mas kaya mga anong six years old baka gawaan experimental. Mga goit-goit lang. Bapas i-upload nila sa Instagram or other digital outlet. O yung, mayrola si bang maguawangan, o? Experimental films. Yung baka young people. Ano ka nga? Ano bang advice mo sa kanila? Advice ko sa kanila. Gumawasi na ng pediculan matino naman. May e-quento rin. Mas kipasabi natin experimental. Kasi pure talking about experimental gagawa ka ng anong nakabalita jyan kung alu jyan na medyo. Kasi Wala nging di gumagalaw. Sa sabihin lang experimental. I think it's also an experimental pero more advanced siguro. Dapas may concept din. Hindi lang basta. Hindi lang basta. Si Sigao ka ng anong. Nakagalang lang yung anong experimental. Parang isipin matip. Going against the grain kaya. Dapos bagong idea bagong kin-question mo. Yes. Especially in digital kung gagawa ka ng experimental film. Pati yung medium dilatanong mo din. Saka experiment kailin sa sound. Hindi lang sa visual sound din. Experiment kailin sa character. Medyo yung character mo. Back at the poem basta something new. Pero maganda rin yung ang artist can jump from one medium to another. Yes. Nakatakong yung mix medium. Even pag gawa ng animation mo. Diba, scratches kaya gamit ka ng pen and pen, crayon. Animation basta yung may movement na single prime or what. Pwede mo, koffing up, pwede mo ng animation. Alam mo diba, panaparang important that you were also an artist during the martial law years. Yes, ma'am. Yes. So yun kuwento ano mo kami noon? By that time you started the cartoonist case in Nagra, Bicol, we were doing some artworks yung mga drawing anti anti, sabihin natin, anti dictatorship. Yes. Diba. Nakakaisang nakakaisang progresifong artista. Anti martial law. Nakakaisang progresifong artista. I was one of the members yung mga ganang kasi ano yun ni. In Bicol, in aktybiya ni. Oh, concerned the artist. So we do some pamplates yun nga. May time nga na napapaskit, nga kaka misa mga cool. And my time di na naulia ko by drawing those. 3 nights lang naman pinalabas din ako kasi nakita namin wala naman blaman ang utak rito palabas din na natin puro-porma lang ko. Matinaway na ano ko yun I'm very glad na na dala ko yun. Binana mo. I was very active. O, kasi gusto kong pagusapan yung mga ginagawa ni nyo yung paniniwala na pumapasok sa trabao. And then gusto mo sabihin sa. Kasi I try to be mas kano kasing gawin gawin ko para pumapasok pa rin yung political. Political, tulad na mga animation gana. Tulad nung tulad di tong bird man ginagawa ko rin. Medyo sama o may political na pa rin napapasok gana. Inaro ang ko rin ang performance kasi medyo yun yung statement niya. So in your 40-year career ano ang proceso ng filmmaking that really inspires you and itong mga experimental films di ba? Special uni. So, sikuro dapat pagusapan natin. Please say sa experimental asab na ko kasi more on na nung nakong yan na nagano ko na rin yung sound. I appreciate yung sound that incorporate experimental na pag ano yung dini. Maganda rin talaga yung concepto na ganoon. Nga gawa ka ng movie na yung sound sayo mismo na experimental original na ganoon. Sabi nga nila di ba? It creates a whole picture. Sound creates it. Yes, yes. Diba, akala kasi lagi visual lang ang nagsasabi nung koan nung gusto mo sa mga ito incorporated. Sa kaya nga ganoon karakter mo na na sa movie something different siguro. Kasi actor kayo. Di naman. Di ba? So you know that performance is very important. Very important mo yung movement na yung sub-visual ganoon. Correct. Ito, maykasi lang sagot. Yes ma. Yes or no? No, yes. One word. One word, okay. At saka mabilis. Okay. What is your favorite pastime or hobby? During COVID-19. Drawing. Okay. Three words that personally describe your style in making exp films. Concept. And humor. Favorite local movie? Local movie is to go with broadcast film. Okay. Foreign movie. Foreign movie. Maraming zin na. But I'm more on Chinese. Chinese film. Chinese film like Sangimo and other Asian filmmakers. Favorite local actor? Local actor, I'm a general actor. General actor, or actress? Actress. Kanino ka? Actress. Maraming zin na? Foreign actress. Maraming zin? Because I can't remember. Foreign actor. Foreign actor. Maraming zin, foreign actor na commercial. Favorite author? Libro. Kung sabihin kanima murok kami, baka masyadong ano na. Okay na. Sangimo na. Favorite author. Favorite author. O yung gumawa na nga na minta morposes. Kapka. Kapka. Philosopher. Kapka. And France Arsiliana. Two France. Okay. Local France Arsiliana. There's a poet also. Wonderful. So, favorite food? What favorite food? Ano pa rin? Laing. Ginatang laing. Bicolano. Impina padaman kung ngayon? Ginatang laing sa rapyon. Favorite restaurant? Restaurant na ua sildang gul. Parang ma-picha ang sigur? Picha house. Moron picha. Picha house. Okay. Ideal working environment when you do your expo films? Moron beside the trees. Sigur na nature na kung yan sa labas na ako outdoor na. What do you hate that very strong or fear? Fear? Fear the most. Close to public. Elevator. Elevator. Americano kapala. Paragay ko naman, common yan sa ibang tal. Favorite getaway location? Outdoor na siguro ko na sa mga bundok na siguro. Under the trees, sa may bundok. Habis. Habis? Habis ko? Drawing. Cat or dog? Pwala. Oh, siguro. Ano? Orn. Orn. Hindi na ako medig sa ano. Cat or dog? Pero mo na ako. Moron cat. Moron. Sige, moron cat. Okay, I will accept that. Genre na music. Kasi musikero ko asi. Yes ma'am. Medyo ano ko yan. Melo rock. Melo rock. Hindi mo siya naman rock. Medyo ano naman yan. So nang melo ka na. Melo lang na. Melo sa rock. Pagalohit na rin. Thank you very much. Rock scene. Thank you ma'am. Thank you. Maraming ma'am, salamat. At yan po ng tatapos. Ang ating episode ngayong haraw. Maraming, maraming, salamat kay Mr. Rocksley. Thank you ma'am. Pagpapagunlak mo dito sa aming. It's an honor. It's an honor. To be here. Ito. Kaya pag-invitar namin kayo leha. Please be here. Patunay po natin Tang Keniken. Ang pili ko lang Pilipino. Catch us again next time. At tvup.ph. As we bring in another Filipino film artist for a chat. Ang Dr. Gigi Javier Alfonso. Hanggang sa muli. Ito ang Sini Pinoy.