 I've been in three hour deliverances after three hours the demon says I ain't leaving and I say why? And the demon says because they won't forgive their ex-boyfriend and then I call the person I say hey What's going on? Did you are you not willing to forgive and the girl goes? I don't want to forgive him I'll never forgive him and I am the deliverance right there because that demon doesn't matter how much my veins are popping out It doesn't matter how much oil I pour on them. It doesn't matter how much I deep fry them in the holy ghost Isn't how many angels and fire fire fire the demon has a legal right and the kingdom of God It works in legalities and the kingdom of Satan it also honors free will and so if a person wants the demon there The demon doesn't have to leave okay come on a neck now in Jesus name out out out come out Come on a spinal cord out now in Jesus name Images Smart Christians, I hope you all are doing well some of you may be familiar with What Alan par put out a few days ago and Unfortunately for him right now Alan is kind of kind of catching it from a lot of different people But today I'm defending Alan Because and matter of fact, let me just go ahead and show you just a little bit of clip of his video And then we'll go ahead and get into it. Let me go ahead and pull that up so you can see what I'm talking about Authority there is something that I see is going on that's becoming more and more prevalent in the body of Christ And that is the fact that we are obsessed with the supernatural Just the regular move of God isn't cutting it anymore We need to see something supernatural happen so that we can see and know that God is actually moving and so Oftentimes people who are engaging in casting out demons or some sort of deliverance ministry We just assume that they are Performing some sort of act of God or move of God when in actuality that very well may not be what's going on So in this video, I'm gonna give you seven things that you need to consider from the Bible as it relates to demons and whether or not Christians can cast them out Okay, so he did the video Obviously, there are a lot of people out there who are in these these deliverance ministries And so what was their response? Their response was to come back and to refute him There were three gentlemen on the broadcast one was Alex Pagani The other was Isaiah Salavar that was Mike something. I cannot I cannot remember how to say his name But what they did was and what really kind of got me going at first when I first saw it that I think was just I'm not sure if all of them did but Pagani had a little on his community page. No, no, I'm sorry It was a little a little advertisement Saying that what Alan said was heresy And so I'm thinking wait a second because what Alan said was correct What Alan said was doctrinally correct now they have their views fine so They did a rebuke of his of his not necessarily of him, but of his stance and so They responded to him so now I'm responding to their response because I think what they're doing might be a bit misguided and again When we talk about the need for deliverance well matter of fact, let me just back up for a little bit Is there a such thing as demonic influence? Well, obviously there is a demonic realm. There's a demonic realm who is headed by the devil who has at his Lesion these demons and so if there are demons and there are there's a devil and there's this activity well then obviously They are trying to Run amok so to speak and I'll kind of get more into it and so The issue is if there is demonic influence, how does it affect the world? How does it affect not only just the unsaved but also the saved? So we want to kind of get into that I want to I want to cover this and there's some things that They don't have an answer to one question that I'm going to answer to I'm going to ask I think probably don't have an answer to a couple of the questions that I'm going to to talk about but The question many ask is this deliverance ministry. Is it actually legitimate now? I don't think it is but or at least how they how they How they come at it? they talk about This need for people to be set free and as a matter of fact, let me just play one one clip and this will kind of be our springboard I am so tired of watching people in the church and I get emotion when I talk about this I'm gonna just go here But I get I'm so tired of watching people in bondage and nobody willing to confront the devil Nobody willing to confront demons and do what Jesus did so we're very passionate about setting people free Well, you know what I am too. I Am just as passionate and we're gonna talk about the differences We're gonna talk about not necessarily in this order, but the who what when where why and the how of Deliverance ministries, okay, and I think there are some times where they actually cover some of their passages if not, we'll cover them but Jesus comes for a particular reason Now let's just think about this guys His whole point in coming was to set us free free from what from the bondage of sin What is the role of Satan? What is the role of the demons? What are they trying to do? Now it didn't always show up the same way But their ultimate goal as far as demons are concerned as far as the devil's concerned is one thing keeping you from Christ What's the old saying misery loves company? Well, they want company where they're going But that doesn't mean that just because a person is a believer because a person is saved that that person Is now off limits to the devil as though when a person becomes a believer that the devil or or any demons will say You know what John over here is is a Christian and he's trying to serve the Lord So let's just leave him alone. No, no demonic activity shows up even with them And so The issue is what does the actual word mean when we talk about it now? They made an error When they said what what the word for being demon possessed actually means when they said what it doesn't actually show up in the Bible Actually does and again, this is where sometimes it would help if a person if anyone who is going to make certain statements Actually has a better understanding of Greek or of Hebrew. And so the word that's used there And I won't say the word. Yeah, well the word is the minus things which is It means to be possessed it can mean to be oppressed But basically the the main thing is that it is someone who's under the influence or under the power of A demon a demon is in other words messing with you. I Guess one way to kind of look at it You all remember not if it's goofy It's not actual But you know, you remember when we were get little we were little we watched these cartoons There would be an angel on this side and the devil on this side and the devil is telling us Little things don't do this don't do that all the well in a sense that that's a goofy way of looking at it But what's happening is it's him. It's the devil or a demon Being influential in a person's life The question is can that possibly happen is there a way for a demon to be involved in a human being's life? More to the point is there a way is it possible for it for a devil or a demon to be Influential in a Christian's life. And so that actually matters that that's gonna be germane to the point That's actually what what Alan's I just dropped with what Alan's video was all about and obviously they take a different stance They seem to be It seems to be with them you all correct me if I'm wrong by the way Someone asked me or someone put in the in the chat earlier Will they be on to to refute what I'm saying they're more than welcome You guys know by now that if anyone especially if one of the one of those guys are actually in the chats If they see this in time and they want to come on to defend themselves or to have a live discussion. I am ready I'm willing and I think I'm able and so I did tag them They they do know that Their their channel was mentioned. I don't have their number. So but at the same time That's not gonna limit me to Stopping or thwarting what I think is is dangerous They think that what we're saying is dangerous on the flip side now What I've noticed is this and I'm not saying these gentlemen in particular But oftentimes people in that camp they don't tend to want to have a discussion with someone else, right? So That's that that's fine. I don't I'm not trying to attribute some sort of bad motives I just think that there is a a big a big issue with what they're saying with what they're doing now What you'll notice is this They seem to cast out more demons than there probably are they seem to they certainly are casting out more demons according to them More than we see the apostles doing more than we see being done in the Bible. And so I want to I want to cover The who what when we're how and why and so forth, but let me just say this ahead of time My intention is not to be mean mean spirited or ugly anything like that. If I come across a little too harsh My apologies from the beginning. That's not my intent. So anyway As I said before the demount the demonic realm is or is true, but it's real the Bible says we wore not against flesh and blood and so we know that We know that that there is a demonic realm and that who we're actually fighting oftentimes not necessarily a person or a thing on the planet But some sort of spiritual influence, but we also know who's actually fighting We know that the weapons are of our warfare are not colonel So we're not we're not looking for a gun or a knife to fight our weapon To fight is different and we're gonna talk about that that weapon or weapons in just a little bit but what their their stance is that The Bible is as far as they're concerned clear the Bible is clear that Deliverance or casting out demons is necessary now. I want to I Want to play them in their own words and then make some comments on that and then kind of get to my point So let me go ahead and pull up one of their clips as he preached He cast out demons and he healed the sick and that's what we as believers should key on So this idea that deliverance or the demonic or the supernatural is like not really important when it comes to the gospel Now we know that Paul cast out demons We know that happened in the book of Acts and so Paul is bringing a full presentation I firmly believe that the gospel without deliverance without miracles without demonstration is not the full gospel Well, obviously, I'm gonna have a big problem with that because what he means is a Ministry without Deliverance or the gospel without deliverance the way he says it. That's not real of the gospel. Well, I contend that Without the way that I see it is clearly not the gospel I'm gonna have scripture to back it up and I'm gonna point out something that neither he nor any of his other cohorts or anyone in The chat who disagrees I'm gonna ask you this question later I'm gonna ask you to refute what I'm saying. I'm gonna ask you to please explain this glaring omission Okay, because Obviously when you start studying this stuff and you start looking what is is there something to it? I Want to be on the right side. It's not that it's not what's the old way of saying it It's not who's right, but it's what's right. And so I want to be right You want to be right? We all want to be right. And so it's not that we want what we're saying to be right We just want to say what is right Are you all with me and so it's bothersome to say that those people who are not involved in their sort of Deliverance ministry that's not the gospel because it's almost an incomplete gospel some harsh I'm gonna say harsh words, but those are some some Some strange and some harsh words. I'll say words to say so Let's jump back in listen some more of what they have to say and What happens when you read the book of Acts is that you are actually reading across decades not just across years So why did the Acts of the Apostles continue? Why why does deliverance continue healing continues? Why is supernatural ministry can continuing across decades represented just in the book of Acts alone? If it was supposed to end in some short duration of time after Christ's ascension Okay, so I want to I want to tackle that in just a second But I want to kind of lump it in with this next clip as well When when a Jewish man watch Jesus walking on water who asked him to follow him and take his yoke of Interpretation of scriptures what he was saying was I know I can walk water because he walks on the water So the fundamental most basic element of being a disciple is not you learn what your rabbi knows Exclusively the the ultimate is I do what they do which means every single time they saw Jesus cast out a demon They were like my rabbi taught me that and then as that Echoed through the first century church. They were all saying this is what discipleship means It goes all the way back to Jesus. We will do exactly what he did And so the idea of being a disciple of Jesus in 2022 But you don't believe that you should cast out demons means that you don't even know the Jewishness of Jesus That would have been that's the main expectation. Whatever he does you do it too Now the reason why I put those two clips together And I see someone is saying that I'm just playing clips if I'm not getting ready to play the whole two hour clip of what they did Let's be intelligent here. Let's let's grow up a little bit I'm not going to play all two hours. You guys can go to their channel And watch it. I'll I'll provide the link after this in the the descriptions But I cannot do the entire two hours of theirs and then comment on it That would be foolish and impractical now the point that I'm going to make off of what they're saying is this What's missing is an understanding of what is actually happening at the beginning of this church So he talks about how Axis is displaying what's happening At the founding of the church. I want you guys to think about this and he also talks about how There's a misunderstanding of the Jewishness of Christ Which causes people not to understand the need or the validity basically I'm paraphrasing the need or the validity of this deliverance ministry because in Knowing what he is and how he is and how Jews would follow their rabbi And they would do what he's doing then we should also want to do what Jesus is doing Well, a couple things first of all the church is predominantly not Jewish Okay, and so the overwhelming majority of the church would not even understand what it meant to follow a Jewish rabbi Secondly, the overwhelming majority of jews Men did not follow what their rabbi was doing. Okay. Now he goes through this little exhaustive list Of of the different Trainings that someone would go to go through in order to be a rabbi. Well, again, most jews didn't do that Right. Most jews didn't undertake that But think about what's happening at the beginning of the church. What's happening. What's needing to happen Okay, I want that I want that to kind of seek in and so They feel like that we ought to be like Jesus Okay, and I want to cover this in just a little bit. I want to play some more of their clips When when a jewish man Watched jesus walking on water who asked him to follow him and take his yoke of interpretation of scriptures What he was saying was I know I can walk the water because he walks on the water So the fundamental most basic element of being a disciple is not you learn what your rabbi knows Exclusively the the ultimate is I do what they do which means every single time they saw jesus cast out a demon They were like my rabbi taught me that and then as that Echoed through the first century church. They were all saying this is what discipleship means it goes all the way back to jesus We will do exactly what he did and so the idea of being a disciple of jesus in 2022 But you don't believe that you should cast out demons means that you don't even know the jewishness of jesus that would have been That's the main expectation whatever he does you do it too Okay, so We are think about and I want you to think about the implication what he just said We are to do what jesus did Now that's just not him saying that they'll say that as a matter of fact, let me play another clip They say the same thing. Uh, that's kind of woven in the thing that we should be like them like like like jesus Now once you guys think about that for a second think about Us saying that we should be like him and us who who are not like him. We don't have the faith We don't believe That's kind of sticking to us, isn't it? And i'm guessing that ellen parr when he says this i'm assuming he doesn't he's considering the disciples Or the apostles not christians because he says no christian is ever Told to or recommended to cast out demons, but john 2021 He said peace as the father sent me so i am sending you So as the father sent me to the world what the father sent me to do cast of demons He'll the sick save i'm sending you to do then he breathed and said receive the holy spirit If you forgive anyone sins, they are forgiven if you not forgive them, they're not forgiven So this is jesus to his disciples saying be to the world what i am to the world I'm i'm going i'm going to give you the power to be to the world i'm to the world john 1412 This is so basic guys. I know people say you have to exegete greek this just now I want to come back to that in a second, but And i'll kind of make my point just a little bit. I want to just kind of Put in in view some of their some of the views the highlights What jesus told his disciples Of course now the pastor that he just quoted Wasn't wasn't necessarily about casting out demons, but what jesus told the disciples his apostles In many cases is different because when he says that what What you will do He's using the of a perfect tense Which is to say that Like when he says that whatever you bound earth will be bound whatever you lose will unearth will be loosed He's using the perfect tense and and so to understand it correctly Even in this past what he's what he's saying is whatever you guys want to do It will already have been done by heaven And so he's not giving them something special to do and a lot of times people bring up the pastors that says greater is I mean greater things will do than he because he goes to the father Well, and the word may guys can be taken either one of two ways either that will do better things or more things Well, when it can't be taken as better Because first of all you're not going to do better things than jesus that that that just flies in the face of logic And it's almost not not even almost it is blasphemous. And certainly you're not going to Save souls you're not going to do everything that jesus did That's the fundamental flaw and even making that statement It's a silly statement to be honest to say that we're supposed to do what jesus did And if we're supposed to follow the steps of the rabbi so we ought to follow the steps of jesus Well, why aren't we trying to get on the cross? Why aren't we trying to redeem the rest of humanity? We're not called to do what he does There is no way shape from fashion we to understand that we are more than our leader that we are more than christ He does give us some things to do and we'll talk about those things, but he does not Expect us to do what he did. He is different. And so it's just a I don't want to say a childish way of understanding But for lack of a better way not to be insulting But you cannot expect anyone to want to do or not to want to do but to try to do what jesus has done Now I said want to because it's almost like a 40 in slip. There are many people and I think that's what's happening here People want to be like jesus want to do what he can do. They remember I said before there's there's two ways of looking at god There's two flawed ways one There are people that want to bring god down to our level So that we can look so that we can have a god who identifies with us So if I'm progressive then I've got a god who's progressive if I am lgbtq Then I've got a god who's also friend with lgbtq if I'm a person who's always Insane and doing certain things and I've got a god who's also Who who's cool with that The other way is not necessarily bringing god down to our level but bringing ourselves up to god's level Which is to say that we can do what he does And that we have the same power and they'll make the statement that the same power that was in him Is also in us and so therefore we can do the same thing and people Matter of fact one of the passes that they that they butcher not necessarily them but people In the pentecostal charismatic ram will butcher in romans where he says that god god Who calls all things better not as though they were and that we in turn ourselves can do the same thing Well, no, we're not god We can't call things into existence As though they weren't we we don't have the power to do what jesus did It is impossible. You know why because he's god We're not These things ought not even be discussed, but they are because again man wants to be something special More than what he really is People and not even not and let's say they don't want to be jesus But they want to be like the apostles is why you have these folks even pagani call themselves an apostle But no, you're not you're not apostolic You don't have the power that god gave that jesus gave his apostles You don't have that and i'm gonna prove that in just a second where I just want that to kind of marinate in your in your mind a little bit what these people are actually saying, okay, and so Matter of fact, let me pull up the one where he talks about we have the same spirit We have the same spirit that raised christ So we have more than just the authority of jesus which Ellen doesn't believe we have the same authority the disciples have because he goes on the next point to say we don't But i will well say this we have more than the authority of jesus We have the spirit of god the same spirit the bible says on the inside of us So i'm i'm i'm uh I'm confused on how we could even think that we don't have the power over demons when over and over again Jesus says i've given it to the disciples and now you're my ambassadors in the new testament in the book of crintians We're now the ambassadors of god We have the power of god the same spirit that raised christ and i'm guessing that ellen power when he says this I'm assuming he doesn't he's considering the disciples or the apostles not christians because he says no christian has ever Told to or recommended to cast out demons, but john 2021 He said peace as the father sent me so i am sending you So as the father sent me to the world what the father sent me to do cast of demons heal the sick save I'm sending you to do then he breathed and said receive the holy spirit If you forgive anyone sins they are forgiven if you not forgive them they're not forgiven So this is jesus to his disciples saying be to the world what i am to the world I'm i'm going i'm going to give you the power to be to the world i'm to the world Well first of all and that's the pastor talking about where he didn't say That you have the they have the power to forgive sins No, he is repeating what heaven has already done, which is why i say it's in the Perfect tense now i'm gonna go back to the previous video clip that i left off on but let's remember Why jesus came as a matter of fact let's go over here to the scriptures. Let's go to luke 418 I don't have to pull it up. There it is He says the spirit of the lord is upon me because he has anointed me to proclaim the good news to the poor He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind Listen this part right here to set at liberty those who are oppressed Let me say it again to set at liberty those who are oppressed so jesus came to do what And what in turn were these demons trying to do jesus is coming to set us free those who are oppressed now notice The word that that that is used here for oppressed This isn't the same word for demon possessed But the same connotation is there to be held back to be kept down Jesus is coming to fix that not just for jews or not just for his disciples or for the 120 But for the entire world if possible, right? That's his point. What what what's the devil's goal? What are these demons goal to thwart that now? Everything that looks like it might be something of the devil or of a demon Isn't of the devil of a demon. There's some things because we're in a fallen world Things happen to people some people have a birth defect and there's some mental and emotional issues That have nothing to do with the devil or demon. We're in a fallen world We're in a fallen state and so they're going to be some things that we're just going to be off in certain ways Certain people are going to be born to where they can't walk or an arm is shorter than the other arm and so forth And so even with with the entire makeup of the body including the brain, there are going to be some issues And so they're not necessarily possessed as a matter of fact One of the words for possessed Kind of gets there's a connotation that that that's used to speak about someone being mad or kind of crazy out of their mind In 1st Corinthians 14 23 when when uh, when paul talks about if we are all Speaking in these this gibberish his tongues and some unbeliever comes in they're going to say that we're all out of our mind So they're not saying that the person has a demon, but the person's just crazy, right? So I just kind of want to make that clear But jesus's whole point is to liberate us from all of that from the entire bondage of sin to make us free And I want you to think about that as we move forward and so he's causing He's he's moving in his disciples and his apostles to do just that in the early church Now I said I want to go back to the other video clip where I left off If I can move my cursor over here where I left off. I think it was in the and I'm guessing that ellen par when he says this I'm assuming Works I have done Very basic here. I tell you the truth. This is john 14 12 anyone who believes in me Okay, so what's the first prerequisite belief anyone who believes in me will do the same Works I have done So now we're zooming out from the 12 disciples the 72 the philip paul forget about all of them Jesus says anyone now i'm gonna broaden the scope to anybody that believes in me So if you're in the chat, there's a 10,000 of you watching praise the lord If any of you believe in me you're gonna do the same works i've done and even greater because okay, so let me pause This is again this mentality where you want to be more than what you are You're not going to do greater works, but then he impunes those of us who don't believe in this because We don't believe We don't have the faith There's always especially you see this in the charismatic community the pentecost community where you're trying to One up somebody's spiritual level whereas these people over here In our camp. They're more spiritually adept at these things. They're more in tune. They've got more power Whereas over here, you guys don't have it. You don't believe like we like we do your level of belief Is the issue We talk about people who are in these ministries these churches where they are so-called tearing For the holy ghost for the holy spirit and they don't have it because they don't what have faith People say that you don't speak in tongues. You if you want to you don't you don't speak in these tongues Why because you don't have faith you don't heal because you have don't have faith And it's just first of all is just misunderstanding and misapplying the scriptures But I just want you guys just be aware just listen to what some of the things that he's saying Let's go ahead and continue. I'm going to be with the father. Jesus did not say you 12 disciples Those 12 that believe in me will do the same works. I've done you didn't say the 72 He said anybody so this is like Eternal an eternal statement that from now until I come back and establish my government on the earth You're going to do the works. I've done an even greater But here's the key Believing in me you have to believe this stuff the same thing with mark 16, which we're not using If you believe these signs follow you now you might say well, why don't I cast our devils? Why don't I heal the sick because you don't believe and if you're Preaching against deliverance or you don't believe in deliverance. You're never going to see deliverance I I wrote one time if you're afraid of deliverance and casting out demons. Don't worry. You'll never see it So his point is we don't do it because we don't believe we're afraid of demons We've got an issue with our faith with our belief We don't believe in the move or the power of God. So you all keep that in mind. Okay. I want to Matter of fact before I go to the next clip Isn't it funny How everywhere I want you guessing about this everywhere they go There's a demon there everywhere They believe in this it now. I don't know if they are disingenuous if they're lying Or if they're sincere, but just sincerely deceived or off They say that we never see these demons and we never cast out these demons So I want you guys think about something for a second Every time that we see someone actually not the stories but not the reports But when we see let's say Jesus casting out a demon The demon did not run up to Jesus Jesus came across them and they would cast demon out When the little girl had the demon had the spirit of divination cast out cast out of her She didn't go look into them because it begs it begs a question This is the question I wonder if these demons are so powerful So mighty So influential so prevalent in people's lives Like they say What stupid demon would have a person to actually go to their church to have themselves cast out of the person in the first place I'm a demon and I am influencing this person. I've got this person under my control. I've got this I've got now I must have a lot of control because I've got them Engaging all sort of sexual devency. I got them engaged in all sort of mental issues Angry all the time fighting convulsing I've got this much control over them And so me as the the powerful demon I decide, you know, what's a good idea? Let's go to a church where they're casting where they're casting demons out and see if they can try to cast me out Demons want to avoid anything spiritual, don't they? That's what they did when they come across Jesus. Hey, Jesus. Hey, listen, listen, hold up. Jesus. Jesus. Hold on I know what you want to do. Listen. I know who are you? Oh, holy son of God. I know exactly who you are Could you do us a solid Jesus? Could you because please tell us it's our time. It's not if you haven't come to destroy us yet You haven't come to determine us yet. Have you? You have it. Okay. Cool. Could you just send us over there because we want to keep doing what we're doing, right? Now there are no new demons Okay, there are no think about this guys. There are no new demons There are no new demons and no no new demons fell out of heaven So whatever demons are on the earth today are the same ones that were around then and so they understand how Jesus works They understand how the move of the spirit works and now all of a sudden because it's 2022 or 21 or 23 Let's see if Jesus has gotten weaker and let's go play with them. Let's let's let's take them everywhere You go you fall into a demon and you think that's special and you you impugn us because we're not seeing demons hmm Again, is it because demons of a feather flock together? Why why are demons if if you're correct? Why are demons so okay with coming around you and coming to your church? Oh, you're the only ones that preach so powerfully that people or that demons are gonna come out They don't know better, but when they come around you guys your work causes them to come out Is that is that what we're supposed to believe? Uh, you're full of it. Now. I'm just going you're you're full of it. Okay And I'm gonna prove it in just a second though. I'm just kind of building my point, but We don't do it because we we don't believe. Okay. Uh, let me just play One more. Yeah one more clip and play one more clip If the bible one experience Does matter and it should not be discredited and discounted as many of our reform brothers And those who wrestle with the scriptures because of the sensationalism of the experience only Let me just freely say this us three here are not experience only It's sola scriptura first and then the experience though. Now. Why am I saying this? You could take my bible, but you can't take away my experience with the god of the bible Now he says they are uh, solar scriptura first No, I I'm gonna disagree. I'm gonna disagree. Um They believe that their experience Matters well We're gonna deal with that. We got to deal with that. Most of the people that say experiences don't matter Don't have experiences. So that's why they say it doesn't matter because there's none, you know When you look at luke chapter 10 verse 17 it talks Before this guy might go so I wanted to say this to you guys When someone Illegitimately tells you that you don't have the same or their experience Matters that what they're saying what they've done what they've experienced that means something Let me say this I've got some experience. Now the issue is we just want to believe we don't believe your experience We don't believe it I've got a question. I'm going to ask you just a little bit And I'm going to start building my point I'm just just laying the groundwork right now and then we're going we're kind of go We're going to go a little further into the to the scriptures as well, but I've got some experience You say you've got some experience. I've got some experiences What are my experiences and I don't I don't know how much you're going to weigh The validity of my experiences how much they count against your experiences Because no one can believe most people don't believe your experiences But my my experiences They're walking around and they'll vouch Here's what my experiences are my experiences are the gospel being preaching someone being delivered that way someone Putting down the crack pipe Someone's someone's plural turning from homosexuality. Yeah, that's my experience. That's what my experience has taught me my experience has taught me that At the name of Jesus these names do bow and tongues do confess and I've seen their marriages get healed I've seen uh relationships get get restored because of What we're talking about this gospel That's been my experience And guess what no one fell out. No one convulsed. No one's mouth was You know frothing and so forth that that wasn't my experience, but your experience. Okay fine. You've got your experience We're going to see in just a little bit if your experience Is found in the scriptures It's about the 72 coming back and one of the things that I hate and I've got to speak to the elephant of the room Is how in these discussions you're not allowed to use personal experience And I just I just want to say for the record that luke chapter 10 verse 17 Is the immortalized experience of 72 people coming back. There's no footage. There's no scientific Exploration, it was just simply them saying it happened The other thing I want to add to luke chapter 10 verse 17 Is you can send a lot of people from a lot of churches into the earth and they'll have no encounters with the demonic The method is you're in baptist You can send them all we're all going to go into our community and we're going to do something But it's interesting to me that now hold on. I want you guys to hear what he's saying All these different denominations plus more They go out in the community have no experience with demons none and he's getting to a He's getting to a convicting reason as to why why he thinks that's the case because well one, there's no power in Anyone other than than them. Okay, so just make sure you all hear what they're saying Demonic was so common that it says in luke 10 17 lord, even the demons obey us Okay, he says in luke 17. I mean in luke 10 17 that this demonic realm Interacting with people was so common. Well, that's something that's not what the passages say They just says that even the demons Are subject to us Now I'm gonna I'm gonna show you that passage in the second So we can see if he's even reading this correctly Or if he's trying to make this passage say more of what he wants it to say, but it's not saying how many Demons were cast out. It could have been two or three That's all we know. Okay Meaning that they encountered the devil and so I've got a problem with christians who never encountered the devil I've said it like this Here is the thing it's like If you're not on a head on collision with the devil, maybe it's because you're both walking in the same direction so The reason why we don't have any problems or any action interactions with the devil is because we're going in the same direction really Well, but then our scriptures tell us that how can two Walk together Unless they agree and so it can't be that we have this relationship with the devil or that he has an issue Or he doesn't have an issue with us But he he seems to or his friends seem to always be around you you show up here some demons Hmm even jesus didn't have it like that We don't see that everywhere jesus showed up that demons were falling out that everywhere the apostles showed up at that Demons now we do know that that had happened But when we turn the pages of the scriptures, we don't see that happening at every time that jesus walked in the crowd that every Demons just fell out. They were so prevalent It was so prevalent that when you guys go out you follow you you see them But when jesus or the apostles went out, we don't see it as much again I'm getting to my point in just a second. Okay, but I just want I want you guys to hear what they're saying Okay Matter of fact I'll say this this this last point. Let's go ahead and go into uh into the passages a little bit Here's what he was saying in luke 10 17 The 72 returned with joy saying lord even the demons are subject to us in your name Now I want you all to pay attention to what to what jesus says to them why these demons were subject to them He says and he said to them I saw satan fall like lightning from heaven Behold I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions And over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall uh hurt you So his point is by the way, uh What needs to be understood here what he what he's saying when he said I have given you this I have given you this authority These people that he sent out he had already given them this authority previously now That doesn't mean that he necessarily gave us the authority But let's just say these other people had been given authority also that he that Now and they're also going to bring up and even rightly so that there are people who are not apostles who are not of the disciples Who were also seemingly casting out demons Because they said they came and jesus has uh master We see these other folks who are not of us casting out demons and we told them to stop well Jesus says that that uh Don't do that because if they're not forced and they're again I mean if they're if they're a force not against us and so he says leave them alone If they're doing this in my name All right, are you with me? So we know it can happen or it was happening then the issue is why and they have this question That they think can't be answered and that is Why why don't we talk a lot about The demonic realm I want to go to another path to another clip of theirs And then I'll kind of go ahead and and wrap up their point and make my point If the bible wanted us to cast out demons and I've heard several I don't think ellen's reformed for the record, but I've heard several reform guys in the bait say There's not one verse that teaches us and if god wants to know he would teach us how So he reads Ephesians 6 10, which is the armor of god james 4 7 resists the devil first peter 5 8 be on alert Ephesians 4 27 don't give room for the devil second Corinthians 2 11 Do not be ignorant and I want to say this and then ellen says these are the instructions of how we're supposed to handle demons So we don't cast them out. These are how we handle demons But these verses are about preventing demons not about casting them out Every one of these verses is a preventative verse from the devil coming into us after being saved The question was asked that they're addressing is Or that he's making the statement of when when allen brings these scriptures and i'm gonna bring some of these Scriptures up in a second, but that these were all preventative measures for christians to do The question that that was asked of them. Why aren't we told that Or told by christians to cast out because allen makes a statement and allen's 100 correct He says that there's no command nor encouragement of christians to go and cast out demons And there isn't now they're going to read into this into different texts say why and he's saying well These particular passages as he was saying only referred to Preventative maintenance basically the way to keep a demon from coming to you Well, they're still in lies of problem though. Why aren't there any passages to say That you should go and cast them out But let's go ahead and get back to what he was saying if I can remember where I left off with him at If the bible wanted us to cast out demons and I've heard Opposed to then the bible would give us some instructions on it And this is a very simple answer the original audience of the scripture were already casting out demons So it's like saying you need to teach a fish how to swim You need to teach a nascar driver how to drive a car. You don't need to teach me something I'm already doing. So why is paul gonna write to the church? This is how you cast out demons when it was normal occurrence in the new testament church So his point is the reason why there are no and think about this I think it's the dumbest excuse the dumbest answer and I'm not trying to be ugly But it's a dumb answer the reason why there is no writings telling people To cast out demons is because they already knew how Well, when do they stop knowing how to Now I'll come back to that point in just a second But let's go back to the to the scriptures When I look at the bible And I want to show you guys something when I just pull up a little study You see on the on the on the screen here. I've got I just typed in casting out I typed in cast out. I typed in demon singular. I typed in demons Plural I typed in possessed. I typed in possessing. I typed in possessed. I typed in oppressed I typed in every single way that you can look at um for passages to look at This whole issue of demons being cast out I want to see if you guys can figure something out If you were to go maybe some of you've already done so But if you were to go and look up every account of demons being cast out Every example Does anything stick out to you? Now I'm trying to to lay the foundation of what remember I said why Jesus came in the first place I'm trying to lay the foundation as to what was happening at the beginning of the church and at the founding of the church When you go and just just do a study on why or where you see these casting of demons out Something's gonna stick stick out. Remember I said earlier We're gonna look at the who what when where why and how not necessarily in that order What the what the what is possession? We talked about what possession is what the possession is being controlled by or influenced by a devil Now do they actually physically take up residence? No, they don't it is impossible. First of all um He can no spirit no demonic spirit can be in the same place that the spirit of god is But now they have these ways of saying well not necessarily in you but on you and so forth Okay, we'll come to that in in a second But the issue in these days. I want to ask you guys a question. Who got possessed In those days who got possessed and who gets possessed? What we don't have guys And I can't find I won't I won't show a scripture for this because there is no scripture for this There's no scripture that ever shows a believer being possessed not one Is that enough to say that believers don't get possessed? Yeah, it is actually it is I can't say that believers get possessed when I don't have an example of any believers getting possessed So that's one Also, who cast out the people or or who? It's kind of like the the same one, but who's doing the casting out Can we all cast out demons? Let's say yes from now. Let's say yes anybody Um, who has a spirit of god in them can cast out. I'm going to agree with him on that Now Follow me though. I want you to see where I'm going We know who had demons or had a a a a demonic influence Every single person that we see in the bible that had a demonic influence. Well, they were what they were not believers The spirit of god was not in any of them That matters that matters a lot because when we get saved what's now in us the spirit of god What did jesus come to do to set us free? Are we set free and then turn around and have a demon in us? Well, then guess what? We're not we are not set free if we then turn around and have a demon left in us now Why did jesus come to set us free? Why are demons coming? Why did jesus come why are demons coming to people? To influence them. Well What does the bible say? I'm gonna come to this passage in a second But he talks about how greater is he the spirit that's in us than he that's in the world But it doesn't say greater is he that's in us And there can be some sort of misunderstanding that the he that he's talking about could also be the devil Because we know that the he that's in us is who christ the spirit of god Compared to who's not in us Who's outside of us the devil or any demon? So it's clear. There is no there is no Demonic there is no demon in us now Does that mean that the devil does not does not try to or any demon does not try to come at us? That mean that at all they do as a matter of fact, they may turn the intensity But we do have something that they don't like their kryptonite, which is the word of god, which is the spirit. Okay, so But I want to look at the the uh the wind When you look at every time that there's someone as demon possessed and all their examples They don't go past the founding of the church Think about that for a second guys Every time you look at up the scriptures and you look up anything having to do with Demons being cast out It's before the founding of the church and at the founding of the church Why is that? Why do we need to see demons being cast out then? Oh, by the way How come you know what? No, I'm gonna hold this question. I want to hold this question for just a second I want I want to finish this thought. I've got a question that they're not going to be able to answer but At the founding of the church If the spirit is coming in Then if you have some sort of demonic influence that's going out No, if ands buts about it And so it makes sense that you would see Demons being cast out in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and acts You don't know you know where you don't see them at In any writings after that Hmm. Why is that? I would I challenge any of these folks who believe in demons being uh in believers to show the scriptures after acts Where a person is demon possessed Now is there demonic activity still sure there's demonic activity without question Uh matter of fact while i'm looking at this, let me go ahead and pull this passage up Uh, let's see and so I want to make you aware of the fact that We don't see this as an issue interestingly enough With all the things that are happening in the church Because they said they said demonic presence Was prevalent there right and that what they said and they all agreed the demonic presence was so heavy So full that wherever they went they're casting out demons. Here's a demon. There's a demon everywhere. It's got everybody's got a demon Let's cast them out. Let's cast that demon Why is it? That with all the issues in the early church People having sexual sins lack of faith fighting divisions Do you know what peter never said? Do you know what paul never said? You know what james never said, you know what john never said You know what jude never said they never said, you know the issue that you guys have You got a demon You need to cast that demon out Think about that for a second guys You never hear them saying that you guys have a demon. Let's cast out. You guys need to be delivered from a demon Why is that? Just like they never say the problem that you guys have is you don't you know what you need You need to be baptized with the holy spirit. You need to tarry for the holy spirit They don't have that they don't say that as an issue. That's not an issue That's brought up because If you're a believer you don't have that problem They never bring it up because there was no and so for him to come back and say that They were already involved in casting out the are you really? Really because the majority of the church when and when paul is writing the majority of the church He's writing to our gentile believers paul's mission paul's Apostle ship was to who to the gentiles and so they surely didn't know anything about casting out demons but were demons Influential in gentile lives just just as they were jewish lives sure they were But yet paul never tells any of them to go and to cast out demons By the way, we've got these things called the pastoral epistles from paul paul writes a couple letters to timothy and the titus Poor guys, he never tells them, especially that he's getting ready to die And he never says timothy check this out brother. Um The world is jacked up. It's gonna get more jacked up. You need to teach these folks how to how to cast out demons He didn't he didn't do that Now you've got bagani having classes where he's teaching people how to cast out demons what to say and how to do it But paul never does that peter never does that you want to know why i'm gonna tell you in a second But let me ask you guys a question. I'm gonna ask a question and come back to the answer later first of all The these miraculous things these casting out of demons and so forth and of course all these little sign gifts If it's a if it's a move of god, it's a miracle, right? And by definition a miracle is rare not the norm because if it was the norm of what would happen We would probably discount and says well that just happens all the time but Let's say a miracles miracles happen every day by the way, they don't waking up every day is not a miracle No, that's god's providence. Uh, that's not the same as a miracle a miracle The the the definition of a miracle something that's abnormal, but let's just call a miracle fine. I'll I'll go with that Where in the scriptures? Is there any example guys? Any example of anywhere in the scriptures old testament or new think about what i'm asking you guys Is there any example in the scriptures old testament or new? When god moved there was a move of god And everyone did not know it When god moved The believers didn't know all the believers didn't know it When god moved the unbelievers didn't know it think about it when god moved in the scriptures Even the unbelievers knew that it was god Even the Pharisees said we can't even deny that that this is god So i'm i asked my question is there an example in the scriptures where when god moves that People did not know it Because my my question my issue is that you guys are having all these people being delivered, but no one knows it I've I've seen it happen a few times when people have so-called been delivered from from a demon What i've noticed is a couple things one the person's character before the so-called demon was Removed and their character afterwards No difference However in the bible There's a clear marked difference, isn't it and you know who knew that there was a difference Not only the person who saw it, but the other people around And we're not getting these testimonies people who know that joe bible went to pogani or or south of ours Ministry and say yeah johnny is totally different now We're not hearing these we're not seeing any examples We don't see that as a matter of fact what we do know is this person who was delivered had been going to church What kind of demon are you where you're allowing the vessel that you're possessing to keep going to church? You are a horrible demon by the way, mr. Demon. Mr. Demon you need to work on your demon skills If you're allowing the vessel that you're in get closer to a point that's going to cause you to lose your home I don't know anything about being a demon, but I don't think that's what you ought to be doing Right. That's just a bad demon in my estimation granted I haven't gone to demon school and I haven't gone to casting out demon schools either But it just makes sense to me. So now I want to show you what I think is the issue. Let's go to the scriptures I told you that uh, Jesus's whole point was to come um and to preach the gospel and to set the captives free, right? Do you want to know what delivered by the way, by the way, let me say this guys Mr. Bagani if you're listening mr. Salavar if you're listening mike. I can't say your last name Or david who I banned Any of you other guys who believe in this deliverance ministry deliverance the deliverance ministry is true There is a deliverance ministry There's a deliverance ministry Can I show you in the scriptures where this deliverance ministry is talked about? Let's go to the bible shall we and let's look at god's actual Deliverance ministry. Oh, I just closed down everything that I was looking at. There it is Let's go to god's actual deliverance ministry Look what it says in chapter 8 Verse 36 of john He says they answered him. Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them if you were Abraham's children You would you would be doing the works of Abraham did But now you seek to kill me now. Was he talking about well? He tells them that they are of their father the devil But what did he say just previously this is going back to his to his ministry. He says so if the sun sets you free You will be free indeed If the sun sets you free you are free indeed think about that guys If jesus has set you free if you are born again believing you've been set free Can you be oppressed put in bondage again? Because what does a demon come to do put you back in bondage What did jesus come to do such a free he just tell tells him that you guys are slaves of sin We've never been in bondage. Yes, you are yes You have been yes, you have been you've been in bondage to sin and who's over that your father the devil As a matter of fact, he didn't call me says you are of your matter of fact Let's let's read exactly what he says he says that you are of your father the devil He says but now you seek to kill me a man who has told you the truth That I heard from god that is not what abraham did but you are doing the works up that your father did So what's jesus's point? Well, you are in bondage and the person that you're in bondage to is your father the devil Or his demons Are you guys with me so far? So if you're set free by jesus you are free indeed for how long are you free? Forever, let's read some more passages shall we? If a person wants to become free If a person wants to get delivered How do they how do you do so because what they can't do? Even I I know that they've had these classes where you Lay your hands on folks and you say in jesus name is loud and as hard as in jesus name is Tough as you can that will do it right so But how is a person actually delivered i'll tell you how Paul says it in roman's 10 How do you get delivered you all know the passage? But if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god has raised from the dead you shall be saved That's the beginning the middle and the end of deliverance That's it the closer you get to him out. What I'd say the other day The closer you get to him the further you get away from everything else Am I telling the truth? I'm in bible country. Let's go back to the bible And now they poo poo this But james says submit yourselves Therefore to god Resist the devil and he will flee draw near to god and he will draw near to you So here's my question guys If you resist the devil he'll flee but if you if you resist the demon will the demon flee It makes sense that if the devil will flee then those who are under his authority also will flee as well So do I need to have someone? Put their hand over me and cast out some unseen demon. I'm angry. I'm depressed. I'm sad Whatever it is. Is that as a demon, huh? I'm struggling with a sexual sin. I'm struggling with anger with wrath with lust whatever What does he say? Resist the devil he'll flee draw closer to him and he'll draw closer to you That's the liver's been open Napagani, uh, isiah says That's to people who already know better who've already been this is preventive maintenance Okay, if that's preventive maintenance, which is not It's just general living Well, where is the scriptures that tell us how to do it who to do it to? The question I asked earlier Let me make sure I ask it the right way because I want to Say it correctly because I believe what Jesus says Jesus says that a house divided cannot stand when they said that That you have a demon and you cast out demons by bells above and Jesus says wait that can't happen That can't happen and so satan didn't come against himself So when you make the statement that us believers who Don't encounter devils you're saying that we're walking with demons or we're walking with the devil No, no sir. First of all, uh, you're wrong. Um, it's it's a bit insulting, but that's okay. We're cool. We're cool But if we are preaching the gospel If we're preaching the gospel That certainly cannot be the devil and that cannot be that we are in cahoots or or in courts with the devil that we're walking with The devil can't be because again a house divided cannot stand the same with Jesus the same with us But we know this and resist him If we resist the devil then he will flee if you resist a demon then he or I don't know make maybe there are some Um, she demons. I don't know do do you think that there are some female demons out there nowadays? I don't know But here's my question. Let me fix this this notation. Uh, but here's my question. I asked before Name a move of God that occurred in the bible that went unnoticed Even by non-believers Is there a such thing as a move of God that goes? um unnoticed by believers and unbelievers The reason why I asked that question is this Because because when you guys do these little deliverance ministries, first of all, I don't understand how you guys even advertise This is again why I say the demons that you guys are casting out are the dumbest demons you guys advertise when you're going to be having Deliverance ministries their deliverance services. Hey guys next sunday We're going to be having Pastor so-and-so apostle so-and-so over here profit so-and-so and we're going to be casting out demons delivering people So be there and then all the demons and their vests will show up The demons can't apparently demons can't read they're not paying attention. They're on tiktok and not paying attention to you guys Going over to the deliverance ministry You guys are so good that you do it by zoom which begs the question. What happens if the internet connection goes down? Does that does well the demons good now? But the only people that ever see you guys have this move Are the people that around you your own people nobody nobody knows No, it's not known to anyone else and they're always the same these convulsions of these things like that and they're always I guess they're always come out of people's mouths or what have you Can I ask you a question? Here's the other question When you guys cast out demons How come you never cast out demons outside of church? Why don't you go to the courthouse? Why don't you go to the state capitol? Why don't you go to the to the police station? Why don't you go into the I don't know to the to the drug infested communities? Why don't you go to the abortion clinics and cast out demons there? I'm waiting for an answer. Let us know Matter of fact, let's send you all there. Let's send you. Let's get you. Let's let's gather you guys up I think you all are in new york Let's get you guys over to the nearest planned parenthood in new york city There's a bunch of them because it's new york city Sorry new yorkers, but there's a bunch of them go there and cast out abortion demons Cash out that spirit of abortion Then go to your nearest gay pride parade Your nearest lg local chapter of the lgbtq of whatever city you're in and cast out those lgbtq demons You only seem to cast out the friendly demons the demons that show up in your face that want to be cast out I'm trying to figure this out guys I don't understand how this is even possible How you guys even think that this makes sense? You give no no scriptural basis whatsoever and tout that what happened at the founding of the church and the beginning of the church When no one had the Holy Spirit residing in them that that is Um, not descriptive but prescriptive of what we're supposed to do Well, there is no command ever given to anyone to go and cast out demons There's none And I know we you all try to avoid the whole uh mark 16 16 and some folks 16 and 17 and 18 Some folks will will end up going to that part. Uh, but you guys don't do the other parts you guys don't do You do the stuff that that can we can debate about We can debate as to whether a demon was actually cast out or not We don't believe so we don't believe so because the way john is now is the way john was before But you got the power to cast out demon, but you don't have the power to raise the dead Do you you don't have the power to actually really heal somebody other than this person got a headache? They got the cold. What have you and then uh, and then it's gonna take I don't know just I'm gonna heal you of your sickness and just give it a few weeks and it'll go This this cold this fluid you got just give me a few weeks and and I promise you my healing powers are effective just like it takes you guys Minutes and hours to cast something that's not how the spirit of god worked When someone was casting a demon out that we saw the examples in the scriptures gone But you and what what you say at the beginning If you are Deep frying them in the holy ghost and they just they're still there. Well, maybe because what is what does what does jesus say? This kind comes out by prayer. Well, you know, maybe maybe you're not prayed up as much as you ought to be Mr. Salvador salvar Maybe that's what it is. You guys are so full of it. It's ridiculous and You call out alan par He's a hundred percent right and you are a hundred percent wrong Now I make this offer Not to your um to your followers The guy who got banned or any of the other folks I make this offer to you. I'm not going to be me. I'm not Just watching the videos. You don't see you don't see me berating the people But I would love to sit down with you. I would love to have you guys or I'll come on. You know what? I'll come to you Invite me into the den of the lion I'll come in there and we'll talk And you will not be able to show me scriptures to prove that you should cast on them You won't you won't what you will show though. You can show and I'll I'll grant you this that a person who is not saved um is oppressed We all can agree on that a person who is unsaved is oppressed And the true way to deliver them is jesus by giving them jesus by giving them the gospel But you think that the gospel uh is not sufficient because what did you say that the word of god is not enough You've got more. I forget how exactly how you put it, but you've got more Than the word. Well, that's all I need That's all I need is just the word Because again talking about your experience. I've told you guys My experience has shown me that the gospel has delivered the most ardent racist And not just one it's been multiple racist who we've given the gospel to In the prison yards and they've come to christ and they don't exit those same things a lot of people who struggle with attraction to children How how wicked is that how bad is that? And to see god deliver them Didn't lay my hands on them Didn't speak in tongues over them. They weren't frothing at the mouth They just yield To god And they were delivered or the person who was struggling with homosexuality That what the gospel do One guy who was struggling now happily married with children the gospel anger wrath All these other issues gave him the gospel See my experience trumped your experience because I can just call them. I can call them up I can pull them up here and have them come and tell you what the gospel has done As a matter of fact, I can look in the chats right now and have the people in the chats Come on and tell you what the gospel has done to them No, no, no hocus pocus. No funny business The issue is the word is not sufficient enough for you The word doesn't make you look good And so what do you have to do? You have to show how much you think you look good By putting yourself up that you have the power of the faith to cast out demons. No, you don't. No, you don't No, you don't and so listen brothers I'm calling you brother because I'm not sure what your what your walk is right now But I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are brother And if you want to come on board we can have discussion Fine, if we need to go somewhere else fine, or if you want me to come to your place fine I have no problem with that Or if you think that I'm just some some some wacko no problem no problem But I can tell you this though my experience and my fruit my results And these other people is far greater far greater far tangible than yours Because you can't even verify that the person even had a demon before You say they did And we've seen some of these some of these folks who will go down to get delivered Uh, and then the next week go back and get delivered again And the next step that go back and get delivered again into the next week go back and get these folks are always getting delivered What's happening is when you guys are out Come on. Help a brother out. Tell me when you cast a demon out does a demon go into the next parishioner? I'm wondering because if you're casting demons out I don't let's say let's say you're legitimate which I doubt it But if you're casting them out I don't think I want to be in that room then because you said that demons can get on me too So why would I be in a room where y'all just casting it? It's a whole bunch of loose demons running around where uh, they're now looking for a body and here I am didn't have a demon but I got one now, huh because of you I just want you to if you think I'm being silly I am because I want you to see how silly you are Your gospel holds no water Paul warned nobody of this Peter warned nobody of this Jude John no no one warned anybody of this, but you guys But for the low price of 99 99 You too can learn how to deliver people you can buy my cd Is that right? So guys, um, I hope I wasn't too harsh I know what's gonna happen. Someone's gonna come back. We're gonna do a follow. I was hoping that There was someone else coming back on but that that's fine. I invited someone else on And again, I did tag those gentlemen. I'm pretty sure they're they're busy. They're busy I did not expect them to come on in in short notice But they are more than question. They're more than able to To come on board as a matter of fact. Let's see. What does it say? Okay, here it is Corey your question about if anyone knew that God was moving But didn't know it then. What about genesis 1914? So let's go to genesis 1914. Let's see By the way without even knowing what you're talking about. I have an answer All right, here's her question Or I'm sorry his question. I'm sorry So lot went out and is and say it to his sons-in-law Who were to marry his daughters? Up get out of this place for the lord is about to destroy the city, but he seemed Uh to his sons-in-law to be just just now So the question is there's a move of God and everyone didn't know it. Well, here's what we did know Everyone knows that a lot. I mean, that's how I'm gonna more was destroyed Primarily those people there they knew it. Okay, so There's evidence and the scriptures tell us this But we know everybody knows that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed That lost wife was turned to a pillar of salt and so we've got evidence matter We got scriptural evidence and so every time a move God happened such as this and Jesus even verifies this So every time that a move got occurred in the bible there somebody knows about it Now in this case the folks in Sodom and Gomorrah Who were there to witness it firsthand They went to their graves knowing about it. They died as a result of it But even other folks. Hey, what? Hey guys, just see what happened? Um, Sodom or no, I don't know what happened to Sodom. I saw what happened to Gomorrah So yeah, there's always an example There's always evidence even to the unbeliever because you guys are looking for these signs these wonders these miracles What did Jesus say that you kind of people look for? I'm sorry. I shouldn't say that that a wicked and adulterous Uh generation looks for signs and wonders. You got to have it. You got to have it, right? so That's why you see at the founding of the church these signs and wonders why because when God is moving when he's coming when he's when he's about to do something he inaugurates what he's doing And validates what he's doing with signs and wonders and so you would see for the jews They would see people speaking in these languages. They would see people Being delivered. They would have they would see the uh site coming to the blind like the brother who was who was blind They he was brought up. Hey, listen, we know you were blind before or the person who was mute And now speaks the person who was lame People saw these folks how they their previous condition and now after the miracle after the move got their condition What did it do? It validated what God was doing to be legitimate No one can validate what you're doing except the folks go to your church and and then They're they're neighboring the pew next week is going to have the same demon Jenny sits right here. She's got a demon Whatever kind of demon it is. Who knows you pick it You deliver Jenny from that demon And then next week frank who was sitting beside her Has that same demon If it were me If if it were me According to the testimony of your word If I go to your church if I'm in your presence and I end up with a demon that I didn't have before I'm suing you Yeah, you've made my life a living hell because you cast a demon out of somebody and it came to me I got I got to sue you You're the reason why I got this demon this demon was perfectly happy over there in Jenny And then you want to mess with it Jenny Jenny and the demon were happy and you removed the demon and the demon had somewhere to go So now it came to me. I got to sue you Would that be some of the people all of a sudden started suing them so Am I being silly? No, you guys are you guys are are wrong And this was the point that Adam was making in the beginning. This is the point that I'm making and I'm go ahead and close here I've said this before apparently The scriptures have been devalued to where they're not enough No, you need more you need the supernatural the word of God is no longer enough Matter of fact for some of you guys it was never enough Okay, uh, the word of God is not sufficient because it didn't want it didn't lift you up But two you don't see any miraculous movies Well, when I see a person give their life to the Lord when I see a person's life change when I see a person growing They might be stumbling as they're growing what they're growing That's something really counts Not the hocus pocus stuff not the I got a lay hands on a person and I gotta have the demon come out of their back I've got to have them convulsing and vomiting and coughing up coughing up. Yeah coughing up the demon as you guys do No, no, so guys Yeah, growing hurts and that's the whole thing So I'll say this to you guys some folks won't get it. That's fine but But if you want to see a move the Lord if you want to see real deliverance Even as a believer you want to become further delivered. I'm just making that up kind of Get closer to God Get closer to God. Yeah, could you imagine? I'm having a demon a snake demon being cast out of somebody on the plane It's going to somebody So anyway guys, uh, I love you so much I've got a ton of work to do to get ready for this weekend So you all have a wonderful day and I will see you later Pagani south of our mic anyone else. Look me up