 You need anything? I think we're good. Thanks, no. All right, it is four o'clock and we'll call the Monday, July 12th Architecture Review Board to order. Steve, if you could read the rolls, please. All right, Jill Clark. Present. Older person, Savaglio. He's a Marcus said he was not going to be able to attend tonight. Jerry Jones. Richard Lindy. Pam Langen. Pam Langen. And Robert Heimerl. And for everyone's information, Charlie Wig has submitted his resignation. So we'll be looking for a new member. And here's Pam. And thanks to Charlie for his service while he was with us. So looks as if we have a quorum. We'll move to the Pledge of Allegiance. If everyone would please stand. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Under item 1.3, are there any potential conflicts of interest for the board members today? All right, so noted. Thank you. Thanks. Moving to item 2.1, approval from the minutes from back on July, sorry, June 28th. Thank you and take seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in approval signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Minutes are approved. Thank you. Brings us to item 3.1, the proposed exterior remodel of the Green Bicycle Company at 1117 North 8th Street. If you are the applicants, if you could come to the podium and tell us a little what you're proposing, we have the documents you had submitted. You can put up on the screen. We can flip through to wherever you'd like on those. We're just looking for a brief description of what you're proposing for us. And then, now I'm on, okay, thank you. And then with respect to the exterior part of the building, the brick and mortar, repairing that wherever possible with respect to building preservation, there has been some impact to the inside of the building with respect to moisture and water. So that's an important part of the preservation. And then finally, we're looking to shift the entrance back to the center. So historically, in the 1928 photo that we have here, and you can see in the basement of the building, where the, yep, so on the photo on the left from 1928, the entrance was originally in the center and then it was moved, yep, to the side of the building where you see there. We're looking to restore that back to the center. We gained some retail space in that. And also there's been some moisture issues. The tile that you can see in the current entrance is actually above the basement. It would have to be repaired anyway. So to repair that, you would have to do similar kind of work. Also the windows need to be upgraded. So that's the project that we're looking at. And then in collaboration, if you look next, so if you could go one up, I purchased the building in November of 2020 and then our neighbor, John purchased the music box just a few months ago. So we have been in contact with him about just making sure that we're partnering on the look of the building. So he will hopefully approach you all at a later date and looking to do improvements. So our designer created this rendering to show that we are working together to collaborate so that not necessarily that we match, but we complement each other. And then to show the colors of the building that we're looking for. So the building was, is already painted. And so we're looking to update the colors to our brand colors, which is a mixture of blues and greens with black accents. And then we're looking to add the lighting outside to highlight the sign, which is the sign is restoring it to that historical lettering above the awning. Yep, with the colors that you see here. Thank you. One question I had was the rendering wasn't showing a fascia gravel stop or something at the top of the front elevation. I mean, not the side either. I assume there is something up there. Is that going to be an accent color or is it just green and fading in? And it is shown and I'm not just saying. Which section? So, if you go to the perspective. Perspective, that's one or the next one. Yeah, that one will be fine. The very top of the brick pier is on either side and across the very top. The cornice? Up at the top, yes. Yep, so the initial quote that we received was outside of our budget. So we're using the branding accent colors to do that. And I'm sorry, are you talking about on the south side of the building or on the west side of the building? On the, that would be the west side of the building, I guess, the very front, the top edge where the wall stops. There's usually a metal trim piece there and it's not showing up on the renderings. So there is a metal piece there and that will remain there as part of the roof. And is it just getting painted green on the front side to match the wall? It will match, yes. Any other questions or comments from the board? Dick, did you mind hitting your mic? Dick, can you? Dick, excuse me, Dick, could you hit your button on the mic? Thank you very much for a very fine presentation. I think that will make a nice addition to 8th Street and I move that your project be approved as presented. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Yes, I'd like to add that having some of us work right next to this building for many years, it's nice to see it getting fixed up. Thank you. Any other discussion? Hearing none, Steve, if you could call the roll for the vote, please. Joe Clark. Hi. Jerry Jones. Hi. Richard Lindy. Hi. Pam Langen. Hi. And Robert Hymerl. Hi. Looks like it passes. Thank you very much. Thank you, good luck with the project. Brings us to item 3.2, the proposed construction of the new Watershed Hotel at Niagara and North 15th Street along the Shboygan River. If your team could introduce yourselves and give us a little background on your project, please. Be happy to. Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Paul Weaver. I'm with WatersEdge and Watershed Development. We purchased the land along the adjacent to the river five plus years ago from the Richardson Company and started the development as the WatersEdge Condominium Project which was planned to be 32 units of individual condos. We built the first 10 and two phases and have kind of struggled with getting the condo traction in this market. So we approached the city with the idea of taking the remaining land and turning it into a boutique hotel which would be a 25 unit boutique hotel and event space. We've recently gone through the rezoning and we're approved through the council for the rezoning of the land back to, I forgot, Steve, what it is, but the suitable urban commercial for being able to build this project. And I'll let Nick Carnahan with GCA explain the details on it. But we're looking forward to hopefully bringing a really cool, unique boutique hotel and event space to the Sheboygan market which the studies have shown it would lend itself well to that area as well as the needs of our market. So thank you for your consideration. Hello, my name is Nick Carnahan. I'm with Galbraith Carnahan Architects. We were the architects for the Water's Edge condominiums and are now helping out on the architecture for a watershed hotel. So the inspiration for the hotel really draws from, partially from what we've been doing to the south in the Water's Edge condos. So the material pallet is very similar to the condominiums along the river. White trim with black metal roofing and a masonry base. So it tries to pull a lot of the materials of that northwards onto the hotel site. And it's also inspirations drawn a lot from sort of the nautical past of Sheboygan. So not in the way of like anchors and life preservers, but we looked really towards wooden boats and how they were constructed and in the way that they show the structure of the boat. They show the ribbing of the boat. And that's a motif that we've picked up throughout the design of the hotel. And then as well as the kind of a nod to the lumber yard history of the site. So for nearly a century, this was a lumber yard. And so in the design, we've utilized lumber and timber and framing. So you'll see a lot of that material throughout the project itself. So here's a good view. This is from the river side, looking back towards the hotel. And it's got sort of our, sort of the main pallet of materials here with a brick masonry base, roughly 24 inches tall that wraps the building. Above that is white smooth lap siding that will mimic what's happening on the condominiums to the south. And then the whole composition is kind of capped off by metal roofing and fascia with exposed wood rafter tails and decking underneath. So you'll, as you're looking up at the building, you'll kind of see this ribbed structure that harkens back to both the lumber history of that site and then the kind of construction of wooden boats as well. Another thing that we were really cognizant about in the site planning aspect of it was the proximity to the river and how we treat water before it enters that watershed, sort of where we got the name for the hotel. And so throughout the property, there's gonna be some extensive, water filtration processes that are celebrated and highlighted before that water enters the, enters the downstream and into the harbor. So this is a site plan here. You can see the condominiums to the southern end of the site. And then the hotel is kind of at an angle there to really maximize the views to the north and the west across the river. These are elevations of the building here. So it's a two-story structure. And then on the northern end, you see the open event space. So that'd be a large open-air pavilion that could house small events, small weddings and then retirement parties, that type of thing. So it's a 25-room hotel, two stories, and then the main center tower there feeds into the two-story lobby. And then that lobby runs from the street back to the river, kind of creating a cross axis across the building. Here's some, zoom in on the building plan there. Yeah, the blue's black. That's a, I don't know why that got translated in the PDF that way, but the window framing would be black to match the aesthetic of the condos to the city. So I would just add that there's no food service and no operating kitchen in here. We are going to have a, basically like a prep kitchen so that caters can come in and use this facility and be able to properly set up for the catering aspects of it. So whoever locally might be interested in doing that would come over and handle the events that way, but we're not going to have a full service kitchen or any products being made on site. Great, I think it's a different look from most of the hotels we've seen the last few years, but it seems to be well thought out. Particular one you want me on is this stay on the elevation or? I guess it depends where the questions go. Any questions, comments or concerns from the board or things you want more information on? You get it done by the writer? Yes. Put the elevation up, Steve. Yeah. I guess one question while he's doing that, just the parking and parking requirements for the site are those accommodated down by the condos? Yes, there were, there was previously going to be two condo buildings built and we are firming off between them and making the condo area private so that there won't be a cut. There used to be obviously a center kind of street through the middle of Morial. And the garage is back up to that parking area too, so we're being sensitive to the lighting and to the noise of the parking and the way that we designed it. I think that's 26, 28. 28 with the accessible. So they should be good there. Thank you. And if anybody asked about four events, we also on the Dalmas building and the LTC building across the streets and we would be able to use those lots for valet parking in the case of events. And the city was kind enough to put in the red street a few years ago on 15th and Niagara, which is very wide so it does currently accommodate on street parking too. North elevation, could you take a deeper dive on that just to explain kind of what's going on for those of us who are not at that center? Just curious to get a closer look and see what's happening. Sure. So the north side here, kind of what you see at the center in the foreground there, that's the open air structure for the event space. So that would be rentable seven to eight months out of the year. What you're seeing lowest and closest to you is sort of a circular down just a little right there. Yep. That's sort of a big circular gathering area, sort of a focal point at the end of that gathering space. So it could be a brighter groom's head table or if it was a retirement party, it could be a more informal seating area down at the end. And then between that and the hotel itself is an open air structure that has the low end of its roof along the street. And then it opens up out to the west to get views of the river. And then as the sun is setting on the west there, most of the events will happen in the afternoons and early evenings. So it allows more light to penetrate underneath that roof. Are there any rooms? So the first floor has got restrooms and a small seating area for the lobby. And then on the second floor, those are actually the two main bridal suites. So the thought was put the people most likely associated with the event closest to the event. And so that acts as kind of a buffer between whatever's going on out in the event space and the hotel itself. And then the lobby, if you look and play on the lobby, actually happens between those two rooms and the balance of the hotel. So it's all accessed through a little second floor pedestrian bridge across the lobby to get to those two kind of premium rooms. Great, that's about it. Yep. Any other questions? Hearing nothing, I'd entertain a motion. Make a motion to approve as president. Subject to recommendation. Second. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Steve, if you could please call the roll. Sure. Joe Clark. Hi. Jerry Jones. Hi. Richard Lindy. Hi. Pam Langen. Hi. And Robert Heimerl. Hi. Super. That is approved. Thank you. Thank you very much. Good luck with the project. All right, so that brings us to item 3.3, the former addition and exterior remodel of Sheboygan Christian School. We approved a while back, coming back for some mechanical discussion. Good afternoon. My name is Ann Steenweig. I'm the director of academics and instruction at Sheboygan Christian School. I'd like to first introduce the rest of my team here today. Paul Mentink is here from Abacus. Eric Addy is here as chairman of our steering committee in long-range planning. And Ryan Moller is one of our board members and rooftop expert. Thank you for allowing us to come to the table with this request for an appeal. The appeal is for reconsideration of the rooftop screenings for the rooftop units. Greenfield Avenue is not a significant thoroughfare. And when we look at the pictures from Greenfield Avenue, it's not a significant. Although we understand the aesthetics, it's all for aesthetic reasons, we believe that we would rather use that $50,000 to go toward other aesthetic improvements given the $6.9 million project. As you can see, we're working hard to make the front of the building, the north of the building, more aesthetically pleasing, and have done significant renovations and additions to that space. What we would like to do with the $50,000 that we could save with eliminating rooftop screenings would be to put that money toward our outdoor learning space, our playground, our parking lot, all areas that are currently not in the budget for improvements. And we would much rather see those funds spend toward other aesthetic improvements. We have here pictures in the folder of obviously the before and after pictures. Our current pictures were in the middle of the building construction currently. And you can see there what the street view is of the rooftop units currently and what the finished plan should look like. We did take a look at other schools in our neighborhood, Wilson being one of them, as well as Christ Child Academy. Those rooftop units are actually more visible, and they do not have screenings on them. So we wanted to make sure that our rooftop units, if they were significantly visible, obviously there would be a different consideration with this appeal. But we felt we wanted to at least present the option of either painting them to make them a little bit more or less visible, I guess. And the contractor also suggests just taking the stickers off to make them less visible. But we could certainly paint them white to blend with the rooftop. Steve, I know if you had anything you wanted to lead with. No, it was one of those ones that this was an item of discussion at the time when they had originally come in. And at that point in time, the AAC plans weren't developed. And so I don't believe anyone had a real idea other than taking a look at the elevations without anything being shown. Paul Mentink had called me the other day in terms of taking a look at the screening. Once I saw the screening, I indicated, yeah, that these definitely would need to be screened. Subsequent to that, I spoke to someone from the school. I'm not sure who the representative was who had asked, hey, what might we be able to do? And I indicated to them that you could take the pictures, provide some documentation to the board, and at least have a discussion back with the board in terms of their board's consideration as to what types of things could be done to help screen this. You've heard the two options that they've talked about, which is to paint and to have stickers removed. They are fairly visible, and I'm not sure if that's sufficient to the board or not. I would be interested in hearing what the architect might have to say as to if those are the only options or what else might be available. But they're definitely out there. And so it was a topic of discussion when they first came to us. We just didn't know where they were going. Thank you. I'd like to start off by saying we're incredibly supportive of the school and the project and your mission, and certainly don't want to see money spent where it doesn't need to be. But I think from the architecture review board's position, I'm concerned, I want to speak for everyone, when it was such a critical design item that was mentioned in the initial review, I'm just curious how the project got to the point of being built with these units in what from, as I'm looking at it, they're in a very prominent location with a roof slope where you look right up the slope of the roof, and then the units are interrupting that. And they do seem very prominent to me. I'm just curious how, as the HVAC design was developed, knowing that they needed to be screened, that that was overlooked. You have a mind coming up to the mic. And the cost of it better. I don't know what, and I certainly understand the city's point of view on this, and we've run into this on other projects. I guess I don't know what we're gaining. These are very clean rooftop units. There's no rooftop ductwork. It's literally a box. All the ducts come straight down. And so I think painting in white is a great compromise. If we screen them, in my mind, all we're doing is creating a larger box on the roof. You know what I mean? It doesn't improve it. It just makes it bigger. I don't know what color we would, you know, the only color that would make sense for that screening, I think, would be white. The roof is white. We certainly wouldn't want to do them blue, you know, to match the siding, because that would make them stand out even more. I just think painting in white would be a great compromise, rather than making the screens white, and then they're going to be two or three feet bigger than the units that's already up there. Like Ann said, taking that $50,000 and using it towards, the budget was very tight on this. So, you know, using that towards some extra playground equipment or fixing up the parking lot nicer, things that weren't originally able to fit in the budget seemed like a better use of that money and from an aesthetic standpoint, you know, maybe a better place to put that money, but I guess we wanted to have that discussion with you guys. Certainly open to other thoughts from the board. I just think it's unfortunate we're to this point and that that wasn't something, when the initial design was approved, it was with the stipulation that any rooftop equipment would be well-screened, and it isn't. Well, it's not installed yet. It's not that it's not. The rooftop screening would be mounted to the units. So, and I've been where you're standing, Paul making the same argument on various projects, so I do sympathize. What's thrown back at us often in that situation is that the screening in theory is also supposed to provide some acoustical buffering, so the sound is less obnoxious for neighbors. Whether there's validity to that or not, I don't really know, but that's one of the other concerns. It's not just visual. There's potentially some sound concern. And if the owner's group has a rooftop unit expert with you, if that's not correct, please let me know. Yeah, from a roofing standpoint, I've never heard that before. I've never noticed any kind of acoustic gain off something like that. I know from a roofing, you know, I look at, you know, keeping the building leak-proof, safe for the kids, and any time that you add on additional rooftop units, or it always creates a more vulnerable areas for the, to maintain leak-proof. And even if you look at, and we've dealt with roof screenings, I've been in the roofing industry for 20 years, we deal with them all the time. But even the manufacturers of this, the main thing, the main benefit is acoustics, and that's pretty much it. There are a lot, even the manufacturers give a lot of cons, you know, for, because you have to maintain these, you have to, this is a penetration that goes through the roof deck, you know, into this, into the, and I don't know if they're, if they're being constructed, you had mentioned they're on the units, some are constructed on the units. Yeah, and there's, so there's those and those that are connected right to the main structure as well. And then there's also the service of the HVAC units, then those would have to be removed. More vulnerability, putting the panels on the new roof membrane, potential leaking. Roofing manufacturers and roofing contractors, anytime that you can eliminate roof screens, it's always better for the building as far as a maintenance issue. And again, I would say, I could see if it was a high traffic area, there's really not a lot of construction around that area. There's a wastewater tramp, you know, right there, but there's no development. I think we're, I think the school is really beautifying the area as it is. So that's what I would like to add. Yeah, there are definitely improvements to the building. Chair, much appreciated. Thank you. Yes, the concern is that we're, we've really been trying to make sure to all new construction, the rooftop units is something that we've been aware of and trying to make sure that they're screened. You know, have one of the downfalls to the design build approach where we can't review that as part of the design review up front, not knowing. This architectural form just doesn't seem to really lend itself to those units. It's this kind of awkward placement of those where they need to be for efficiency for mechanicals, but at the expense of aesthetics. And that's primarily what we're here for is to review the aesthetics of buildings. And we are finding we have to be careful with residents. Schools like yours where we'd love to make an exception. Then the next project comes in and says, will you let them do it? Why can't we do it? And it's tough to say, well, because they were nicer than you are. So we're trying to be more constant with our responses to these. If this were coming in as a review as it is right now, I'm fairly confident saying the board wouldn't approve it without screening on those units. But that's just my interpretation from where we've been previously. Yes, I'd love to hear from the rest of the board your thoughts. It's nearby Wilson School and there are other schools that have rooftop mechanicals that are visible. There was, they pointed out Wilson and Christ Child. Christ Child was done in I think 2008, but Wilson was 2017. There's a section of their gym and their offices that has a unit on it. So there's some mention there of those units. So I'd have to say, yeah, there's some that are out there. So 2008, obviously a little bit of a different timeframe, but the ones they discuss and point out are open. And that was in 2017? That was the Wilson one, right? So I don't know, even whether or not it's these front ones or I don't know whether it's all, whether it's, but anyways. Steve, just a question. I think in discussions you had with Paul, we were allowed to eliminate the south side of our screens, is that correct? So in other words, are we allowed to have three side screening on our units? I don't know if there would be. The only reason why I ask that is, is that when you look at our school, we've got residential subdivisions to the west and we have residential to the north. Our athletic fields are to the south, along with land that a lion owns, and then everything to the east is owned by a lion. So would that be a compromise where if we put up two-sided screening to the north and to the west on all these units, now we've screened everything to the residential subdivisions, but we would be open to something like that as well, of painting once again, you know. And I did have a conversation like that with the architect and I said that I thought that was potentially a reasonable option in terms of doing it towards Greenfield and maybe having a little bit more, the ability to have it open to the south. So that is a fair and correct statement from my perspective. And I thought that was a compromise that would work and whether or not it was, so when you take a look, you can, and to me, you know, probably, you know, and I don't know if everyone thinks all of them, if it's for example, the four that are closest, say for example, to Greenfield on the north sides of the additions. I didn't know if there was a numbers perspective. I think those ones on the interior of that space are a little bit visible too, but I certainly would not have a problem with a proposal like that at all. I think it tries to address the concern. Thanks, Steve. What I would recommend, and this is just based on, if you could put the drawing back up. Yeah, I would say the ones that are closest, which are at the bottom of the picture here, just down some. It's easier to look on the drawing below. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry about that. So that would be those that are closest, those four. The remainder I think are far enough removed. So I would say the two-sided screen theory works on that for me and potentially painting the others. So my recommendation would be to move for approval of the two-sided solution on the four in front with the remainder just being painted. That was a motion? Yes. Do we have a second? So that you've mentioned a three-sided. So this would be the side where the four are the most prominent on Greenview and then the other. Right, and I think, and I'm assuming we'd surround them, right, and just have the opening to the south. Correct. So yeah, in essence, like a three-side. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Right, Jerry? Correct, I'm sorry. Okay, so the motion is now amended to be three-sided. Only on the ones in the front though. And open to the south. Correct. So we have a motion on the floor. Pam is seconding. Under discussion, I would add I just pulled up Wilson on Google Maps as we were talking. It looks as if the large rooftop unit on the most recent edition is fully screened. The ones on the older part of the building aren't. But it sure looks, I could be wrong. Yeah. This is if there's a... It was hard to tell, but it looked like there was something around there. So then we would paint the others. Correct. That was that motion, I think. Good question, that was not... That was part of my motion. That was part of it. Just the ones that are not being screened. I think it's kind of unnecessary to paint the ones that are being screened. Thanks for clarifying that. So the motion is to three-side screen four units to the north and the other new units would be painted. Correct. Sorry. And that, your second on that, Pam, is consistent. So is everyone comfortable with what we're potentially voting on? Any further discussion items? Because it seems to me that's a reasonable compromise to try to help out. So Steve, if you could please call the rolls. Joe Clark. Hi. Jerry Jones. Hi. Richard Lindy. Hi. Pam Langen. Hi. And Bob is abstaining. Perfect. That looks as if it passes on the appeal. So thank you for bringing it back to us. Thanks. And then I can just work with Paul or whomever just kind of to show, see the end result, just bring and send them that in and we can go from there. What are you guys, where are you guys at as far as construction and getting in and for fall and that kind of thing. Looks like you're moving right along. I don't know if Ann wants to add to that, but apparently the contractor's getting nervous. We do have a school year that starts kind of early compared to other schools, August, I believe the third week of August. So they are scrambling around to get done, but they're still assuring us that we should get done and be in. So. Yeah, looks good. Right now the addition, the North Editions are completed, nearly complete and they'll be ready. And then the front entrance on the west end is getting, is underway right now. So will you guys be able to get out of Geely? Yes. Yes. So you're counting it. Yes. August 19 is the finished. Yeah. So school starts August 25th. All right. Thank you. Nice. All right, Sierra. Any other items of discussion? Yeah, yeah, there was one other minor item just for the board's sake. We are not going to be recording anymore or having phone call-ins. So that is done. And we're going back to what we've done previously with everyone in person being at board members and applicants. So everyone has done a really good job and I apologize for having to send out some emails but I really appreciate when you guys help out on that because sometimes I get people from out of the city or what have you. And so your responses and quick on that are very helpful to me. So I can make sure that we get forums where the people coming in. So just to make everyone aware of that, that is not going to be an option anymore and everything will be in person. Okay. Okay. And meeting on the 26th, we will have one. Okay. Mark your calendars. Yes. With that, I would entertain a motion for adjournment. Move to adjourn. Do we have a second? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Perfect. Stand adjourned. Thanks everyone. Thank you. Oh, it's a good meeting. Yeah.