 The ruling All Progressive Congress may face challenges after President Buwari leaves office, Senate President Ahmed Lawan claims. And the Vice President Yemi Ushim Bajul charges youth to join politics, saying social media won't transform lives. This is Plos Politics, and I'm Osao Ghir of Mawa. Welcome once again to Plos Politics. The Senate President Ahmed Lawan has issued a warning that the ruling All Progressive Congress will have a difficult time after the exit of President Wama Dabwari in 2023. According to him, the APC must start sustaining the goodwill and legacies of the present administration. Furthermore, he revealed that the reason, or rather why the party has not fulfilled its promised to Nigerians is due to a feud between the National Assembly and the Executive Arm of Government. Meanwhile, Senator Ibrahim Shekharal, a former governor of Kano State and serving Senator representing Kano Central Senatorial District, urged the ruling APC to field a southerner in its presidential, or as its presidential candidate, rather, in 2023. Joining us to discuss this is Ugochuku Uzekwe, an APC chifting. Good evening and thanks for joining us, sir. Yeah, good evening, my dear. Great to have you. And the goodwill we have, too. Let's start with trying to understand the best that we can. The statement by the Senate President Ahmed Lawan that the APC will have a difficult time after President Wama Dabwari's exit in 2023. What would you say he meant by that? Anyway, you know, let me start by saying that that statement is a personal opinion of the Senate President. This is a leader in our party, the man leading the Senate. But of course, you know, that it may be wrong for me to start joining issue with that statement because this is somebody that is sitting on a different table, a higher one for that matter. So from the angle, he's saying things may be different from where I am seeing things. Even though I'm a chifter of APC from MIMO states, the truth is that if you remember how APC came into existence, I mentioned coming together of some of them called U.S. State Parties and Mr. President and some other leaders like Bolatino Mbu and indeed some other leaders happened to be men actors, then bringing other people on board, may be, just may be, what transpired at that time and what is happening today may not capture the original intention of all those leaders when they came together. But somehow, they as party men and women have been managing the nation, have been managing the party to the extent that Mr. President, they've been giving him all the needed respect, they've been giving him all the needed support, and to all of us who are in the party, including myself. The president is not doing badly, he's doing well, some people may argue against it, but I know the angle I'm coming from. Nigeria is a very difficult nation to govern, it's a difficult nation to handle, and if you look at it from that angle and to put things in proper perspective, let me pick security as one of the examples I want to use. Yes, feelings are going on all over the place if you like, but it does not start today. The only thing we can tell ourselves truly and frankly is that if Mr. President is not doing what he's supposed to do as a leader and as the president of this nation, by now, most of us, whether you're living in Lagos or you're living in Abuja, would have run away from our homes, places where we do our businesses, because the way and manner these people, the people started, at the time, people couldn't do their business in Abuja, they were bombing a lot of places, and then you can see that fighting terrorism, especially what we call guerrilla warfare, is not something that is easy, it's a war that if you're not careful enough, it can consume anybody. So Mr. Anzac, we're going to stick with your thoughts on security from what you've said. The president, at least from what he's doing, is doing well enough in your books. So I want to give us an example of when you may have been able to say that the president may have not done well enough as a commander-in-chief of the armed forces of Nigeria. At what point, you know, you maybe have given him a low score with regards to security? You know, right now, it took him, let me use the service chief that he changed, it took him a longer time to change the service chiefs who came on board with him. Even when people were complaining, shouting. But I think if you ask him, he may know the reason why he allowed them to stay that long. But for me, as a political watcher, not now as his party man, as a political watcher and as a Nigerian, I believe that when people are shouting and when people are complaining that these guys were not doing well, he behoves on him to look deep into those complaints and see if it would have been better for him to change them as at that time people were complaining. So that's one of the areas. But you know, this is a president that was once a military man. What he knows about warfare and combatant activities. You and I, we don't know. So we may be looking at it from a peripheral angle. But as somebody who has not had enough experience that knows what war is all about and the military activities is all about, they may have reasons. Yeah, well, unfortunately, we may not have time to go in detail with regard to security because I'm sure the people who have lost family members, uncles, aunties, mothers, brothers, sisters in their thousands in the last couple of years may not agree with your views concerning the president's efforts with securing lives and property. And of course, those who have also been kidnapped and lost their lives in the hands of kidnappers in numerous parts of Nigeria today. But I want us to go back to the Senate president and his statements. He's talking about a legacy and it's how it's important that the APC leaves the last legacy so that they will survive beyond 2020. I was trying to get a kind of background. Now in the party, if Mr. President leaves, there may or may not be a problem as Mr. President is making us to understand. There may be a problem if the party refuses to put their ass together. If they refuse to cash in on areas of achievement of Mr. President, there may be a problem if the greedy ones continue to remain greedy because in the family, you have the good, the bad and ugly. But at the end of the day, like he rightly advised, if the party members decide to cash in on the achievement of Mr. President and decide to work as a family, as one particular political party, they may continue to rule this nation and then and then make amends on areas where mistakes were made by Mr. President and at the same time improve, improve on certain areas where Nigerians will also expect them to work on. All right. So if the if the administration was to end tomorrow morning, what would you say at these achievements that the APC can cash in on of President Muhammad of Wari? OK, I I have talked about security. Like I said, some people may say this man is talking non-stop, but I have told you for all I know and care about security. The moment you start fighting historians and the country is not doing much, nobody, nobody will remain at home. Nobody will be sleeping in his house like we are all enjoying now. In the cost of fighting that they are not the casualty. So on the area of security, we have not done badly. Now on the area of providing certain level of infrastructure development. Let me use this as example, because I'm from Southeast. He has done a lot of federal roads here. Talk of what is ongoing now from Potakot to Enugu road. All come to Enugu. Also, that is a number to Enugu. If you come to here, we talk about Onitsha, to Wari, Wari to Potakot. When you go there, you can see tremendous road road infrastructure development. And also, you know about the Niger Bridge. That Niger Bridge is about 65% completed. If at the end of the day is completed, commerce, the economy of both the Southeast and South South will boom, will improve. And most of all that things, the capacity building, the money that they have provided for youth empowerment, which even it will take benefited from. I can count and count and count. And then there are other things, even bringing the country to continue to fight to make the country remain solid and one. You know, there's something that we have to understand about Mr. President. That is, I have been in politics for a very long time. And I have seen presidents come and go. So many of them that ruled this nation before Mr. President Muhammad Buhari came on board, try to advance wealth. You mentioned their name. You want to talk about how much they have both in Nigeria and foreign banks. Today, you cannot discuss that with Muhammad Buhari. What people are talking about is that he's slow to action. He's slow to doing things. But. Well, Miss Anzac, I'm not sure if we should praise a political politician and a political leader for not stealing. I'm guessing that's what it should be. That's how a society should run. I don't know if we should praise the president for not a mass and wealth like you've mentioned. And just before we go, just to be clear on what you've said, you know that after more than 20 trillion naira debt that we've the country currently is in and six years, about six years in governments, you know, the things that we should and Nigerians should point out and celebrate is the president's successes with regard security and, you know, the roads in the southeast and the second Niger Bridge. And, you know, I mean, these are the things that you're saying that the APC should be able to cash in on as the legacies of President Obama to worry. No, no, you see, you're calling from an angle of somebody who is who is an economist without thinking about the the life of people who live around him that need to eat because borrowing money, for instance, like you rightly mentioned, borrowing money, for instance, requires that the country economy must be protected. You don't need to allow the economy to collapse, no matter the kind of problem that you are having. And when you owe money, America is going, most countries are going is not an offense for a country to owe money. So if you notice that your economy is going down and you also have the capacity to pay back in the next future, you need to do something to rescue the economy, to rescue your people. Have you ever seen somebody who does not have what it takes to borrow money, getting money from bank? So the country is still strong. Being strong means that they have the capacity to borrow. You understand, because no nation will want to give you money if they don't see the potentials in you. So an idea is still strong and they have the potential. That's what people are giving them money. And when that money is given, they can use it to lay some full foundation for the economy to grow. And when the economy grows, then we begin to talk about paying back. It's not the... Bohere is not the only student that has borrowed money. He's a person of deeds. So nobody will want the economy to collapse on his hands. All right. We'll go through Kunzeh Kueh, an APC chief team. Thank you very much for joining us on Plus Politics this evening. We look forward to another conversation and a longer one this time. Thanks for joining us once again. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you for staying with us. We'll take a short break now and when we return, Vice President Yamio Shimbaju advises Nigerian youth on how to change the future for the better. We'll be right back.