 Good afternoon and welcome to our last CCC OER webinar for the spring semester. My name is Regina Gong. I am the OER project manager here at Lansing Community College in Michigan and I also serve as one of the CCC OER Executive Council members and I am the Vice President for Professional Development. For today our topic would be S regional models for OER implementation and before I let you hear from our guest I'll talk about our agenda for today. So we'll start with the introductions and then I'll let our speakers introduce themselves then I'll talk about an overview of CCC OER as an organization and then we'll dive right into the presentations of our speakers and then we'll have panel discussions and questions and answers that you might have for our guests for today. So here are our speakers and I'll let them introduce themselves to you. So let's start with you Bill. Okay hi good afternoon or good morning depending on where you are. I'm Bill Hemmick Dean of Learning Resources and Online Learning at Bucks County Community College which is in southeastern Pennsylvania. I'm also part of the Affordable Learning PA project which is why I'm here today. At Bucks we are in the third year of our OER initiative and we have about 30 courses running now with with OER sections and we're just starting to look into the feasibility of our first C degree. So that's pretty exciting and I'll talk to you some more later. Thank you Bill and Jenny. Can you hear me? Yes. Good I had a mute issue. Hi my name is Jenny Parks and I am the director of academic leadership initiatives at the Midwestern Higher Education Compact. We are one of the four regional higher education compacts in the nation. We are entities created in statute by our member states so we are designed to help our the institutions in our states do things more affordably and it's my job over the last year and for the next few years to help them do that with OER and so I'll be telling you more about that in a few minutes. Thank you Jenny and Tanya. Hi everyone my name is Tanya Spillavoy. I work at a different regional compact at the Western Interstate Compact for Higher Education. It's all the Western states in the Technology Department called WCET. There I serve as the director for Open Policy. I also have a different role that you may have seen me play on Twitter and with the SPART Open Education Leadership Program I co-designed the Open Education Leadership Program for OER librarians and we're just graduating our second cohort. I also teach that program and my creative partner in that is Nicole Allen so we're very proud of the implementation of both the states that I work with and the librarian leaders. Thank you Tanya and we'll hear more about our awesome speakers in a little bit but first let me introduce CCCOER to you. If you've been a regular attendee of our webinar you know about the CCCOER mission. We are actually a community of practices dedicated to the promotion of the adoption and development of OER across community colleges and this is with the goal of enhancing teaching and learning. We were founded to support the community college mission of access through the creation of creating awareness and development of openly licensed low-cost educational materials. We provide regular one online and face-to-face workshops for faculty and staff who are engaged in OER projects and here are our membership figures as of spring 2019. We now have 83 members in 34 states and as you can see you know we are really represented across you know the US and we also have 15 statewide memberships and you can view more or you can learn more about our membership if you go to our website at ccc oer.org slash member and just a little overview of what we are going to discuss today. Really the collaboration to advance and promote OER has been on the rise as of late so we see a lot of statewide and collaboration and Bill will speak about that with collaboration that is happening in Pennsylvania but I think what is unique also that is happening around collaboration with OER is the multi-state collaboration that is led by our compacts and Jenny and Tanya will be talking about that because I think it is interesting and I just tweeted about that a while ago there really is a trend in numbers so I hope we get to engage more with the topic that we are going to discuss today so we'll start with Bill talking about the collaboration in Pennsylvania. I'll stop sharing and I'll let Bill show his slide so there's going to be a few seconds of conversations so bear with us. Just looking for the right screen to share I'll be with you in a moment and there we go. All right Regina is visible. Yes we can see your screen really well Bill. Thank you. I'll start thank you. Yes hello again everybody. Affordable learning Pennsylvania we are nearing the end of year two of this project. I actually didn't come on board until midway through year one as one of four OER special for volunteer OER specialists but I'll talk about those roles a little bit later. First a little bit background into why we're doing this. Pennsylvania is a very higher ed rich state. We have about 150 public and private colleges and universities including 14 community colleges in the Philadelphia regional loan. There are more than 60 colleges and universities. By and large not highly organized. We are all kind of doing our individual things. The Pennsylvania state system of higher ed includes only 14 universities out of those 150 institutions in the state and prior to just a few years ago none of these institutions was really collaborating with the others on textbook affordability. So there's lots of potential for it but there was no collaboration or even really any sense of who's doing what where. In 2016 Steven Bell at Temple University got together a small group under the guidance of the Pennsylvania Academic Library Consortium known as Palsy to its friends and close associates to develop a statewide initiative and seek out grant funding for it. From the beginning this has always been a very library driven project. They organized a steering group and figured out an organizational structure. As part of that process Palsy became a consortial member of the open textbook network and originally used that connection as a means of reaching out to other consortial members to try and get some ideas for organizing structures. The group received state funding through the library services and Technology Act, LISTA and affordable learning PA began. The goal was and is to build a community of practice to advance textbook affordability to students create awareness build expertise and promote best practices and collaboration in the community which was a tall order for a lot of institutions that really hadn't been talking about this with each other at all. The project goals increased participation in OER initiatives originally we were hoping to engage at least 30 of those 150 institutions create a program that would save our students money increase awareness and knowledge of OER especially among faculty with librarians and students as the advocates again as I said this is a very library initiated project. In the first year 2018 of the steering group created a governance structure and started the people working together and the governance structure really came out of a lot of conversations that the steering group had had with other consortial members of OTN and this is a diagram of the governance structure you can see the steering group here the project coordinator was hired by Palsy to work with the steering group and then four OER specialists were recruited campus partners at interested institutions were identified and working groups were planned the working groups were to focus on three topics data gathering and assessment communications and outreach and training and education and these working groups will be made up of campus partners a little bit more on the campus partners they were responsible for serving as their institutional liaison to the project we asked for an initial at least two year commitment with the possibility of continuing their responsibilities included alpha training programs and meetings organizing and conducting OER training for people at their own institutions and also as I said was serving on at least one of the three working groups qualifications basically amounted to enthusiasm they could be again because of the library focus here we were looking for campus partners who were members of library staff or faculty or library appointed designates and also we were looking not necessarily for OER experience although that would be nice but at least a desire to learn more about OER some experience with teaching and training and all of it also demonstrated advocacy ability because these would be the people responsible for promoting OER on their campuses we have had a lot of success with this so far if you remember a minute ago I said that we were initially hoping to get 30 or more campus partners as of today we have 69 campus partners from I think about 63 institutions across the state and actually a little bit beyond because palsy has some members that are just outside the borders of Pennsylvania we do have a few campus partners for New Jersey and West Virginia but nearly all of these are Pennsylvania institutions and 11 of them are community colleges we have 11 of the 14 community colleges and participating in the project which is terrific we had to actually do a little additional outreach to get some of these not every institution in Pennsylvania is a member of palsy including many of the community colleges and the steering group was always concerned although they were aligned with palsy and palsy is administering the project we wanted to make sure that we were getting the word out to those non-palsy members so we could get them involved as well so that happened and also I did some individual outreach to these schools to try and get as many of them on board as possible the OER specialists as I mentioned I'm one of four OER specialists appointed in the first year and the only one representing a community college the four of us were sent to the OTN summer institute in the summit last July for train the trainer experience and we serve as the we now serve as the project liaisons to the campus partners in our regions this year we're now in year two we did a survey of the campus partners to get all that information that we didn't have on all of this started so where they're at with OER promotion and adoption at their institutions what their particular interests are and how the campus partners could best help them in furthering those interests and aims we did start a webinar series we've had three so far and we're in the process of setting up those working groups we had a lot of volunteers from the campus partners nearly all of them volunteered for at least one working group we just recently identified the second cohort of four OER specialists who will be a train take excuse me who will be attending the OTN summer institute next month and then they will be brought into the fold to help the original four of us take on all of those 69 campus partners and we are now in the process of planning our first Pennsylvania OER summit scheduled for August 9th the theme of which is appropriately building a community so we're very excited about getting that going and beyond that we're just really optimistic about a third year of funding to keep all of this going and there's my email address if you want to count contact me individually after this otherwise I will keep my eye on the chat and thank you very much for tuning in thank you bill we're now gonna do some screen sharing again and let's see let's see okay so I think we can start with Tanya now Tanya hi everybody this is Tanya and I'm going to talk about some of the features of state and regional OER initiatives first of all I love to share and I think we can all do a lot better at sharing what we do well and learn from each other's mistakes so some of the things that would be great and some of the things that are going really well about state and regional OER initiatives is that people can learn from other states and other champions what is going well what's not going well and at the very high levels at the state and regions they can do a lot of support for the grassroots efforts that are happening at the campuses already so we recognize that those champions on campuses we have fantastic faculty we have librarians that are doing amazing work with OER and at the state and multi-state level there is opportunity to support grassroots efforts to policy to funding through some really high-level support maybe you need more FTEs or instructional designers or things that that the folks who make some of those really big decisions can help with and there's also opportunity to share what works and doesn't work so not just to duplicate the things that are going well but also say hey we tried this and it was a complete disaster we would have done it differently if we could have started over and so let's say a state has implemented course markings and it took them a lot of work and effort to do something like that across the state system another state could use their hints and their and their excellent learnings from that initiative and then do it faster smarter better just to get through the work a lot quicker instead of everybody starting from zero so it really reduces duplication of effort in it increases the ability for us to search for not only OER textbooks and resources but also search for things like a grant example or an entire grant program or how people structured their initiatives in a region or in a state so the features of state and regional OER initiatives are really to encourage state funding and support for OER and there's also such a huge opportunity to collect data in a more strategic and unified way so for one example of that might be cost savings data there's a lot of different ways people are doing cost savings data and it's it's almost like you have to go in and ask well how exactly did you get to these numbers and there might be opportunity for states or groups of states to discuss a more unified system of cost savings data reporting and then also student focused research so we have some really great large-scale efforts coming out of Georgia that I'll talk about in the next slide and of course John Hilton and the OER fellows are doing a fantastic job working on student efficacy data but not there isn't so much student efficacy data available about OER across multi-states and so there's just a lot of opportunity around collaboration among states and across states so next I'd like to share the next slide and talk about a few of the states that are doing some great things and I appreciate Bill's feature of his work so the next state I'd like to talk about is the state of North Dakota I led this initiative and I like to feature North Dakota because it's kind of ask the beaten past from what people really think of it has very few students in the state it's got a large land span so people are geographically isolated many times and they got a really small investment I got a really small investment from state lawmakers of only a hundred and seven thousand dollars after the allotment so I really didn't have a lot of money to work with however what we found from really being strategic planning well and not spending a lot of money on things that didn't affect students so when I work toward grants in my state I really focused on what would get the biggest effect for my students in the state and North Dakota is the first and only state so far that has had a state auditor audit the OER initiative and he said he was a really conservative auditor on this and you can look more into that if you're interested about how they conducted the audit report in the state of North Dakota it's through the state auditor's office is Josh Gallion and there was also a write-up about the efforts in Inside Higher Ed and so we can make those those materials available to you later but they found even with a very conservative estimate that with a small investment students in North Dakota saved between one and two million dollars just in the first year so those I expect that to really continue on and then we found researchers within the state discovered that students had same or better learning outcomes as a result of purely OER materials so these were courses that used OER only and then auditors made recommendations that could be scaled across to other states and great recommendations about producing high savings and high enrollment general education courses they urged the system to ensure that students know during the registration process which courses will include OER materials and so this is a great example if you're looking to find research on purely OER courses so the next state I'll talk about is the affordable learning Georgia affordable learning Georgia initiative and this is one of the ones that has been around since 2013 so North Dakota when I started Jeff was doing it about the same time that I was and so he's really they've really had a nice long and very successful OER project in the state of Georgia they've had a lot of support from their institutions and from their state and they've awarded between 80 and a hundred thousand dollars in grants for institutions per year they have an online core curriculum they do a lot of events and professional development and they just have an excellent leader who's the champion at the state level and so this has been a great project for other states to look to they have LMS integration they have designated champions and they're really affecting a lot of students in all these different places and one of my favorites is the affordable learning Georgia large-scale research that came out by Colvard and Watson about that they found that students who are Pell eligible did better in OER courses I just I love the large scale of the Georgia initiative the next one I want to talk about is one that's very recent um so I was the state I was the person that the OER council asked to come into the state and help as a consultant for their OER surveys reports and strategy it was a very exciting moment in the state of Colorado and since I helped them in 2017 and 2018 they have just really done a great job in the state of Colorado so as a result of three statewide surveys and a large report that got in a lot of input from a variety of stakeholders we found that over 6,000 students responded to the survey so there was just so much engagement with students and faculty and the whole community really rallied around getting data and support for OER in the state of Colorado and we just saw a statewide OER summit in the in May just a few days ago and the governor Jared Polis attended and they had other lawmakers there so there's it's a really great and hopeful project that that other states can look to and a large part of that is because they had this wonderful OER council they had a great Shio officer at the CDHE Kim Hunter read at the time and brought together librarians faculty technologists system employees and students and they had other OER experts come in from around the states to give them advice and they've just done a awesome work so if you lift the next slide you can see that there are four regional compacts in the United States I'm in the witchy region and I also worked very closely to help met in the in the yellow region do their OER initiative that Jenny will talk about next there's also two other regional compacts Nebbi and SRAV and when I look across the United States and all these pockets of innovation so many opportunities wonderful champions and there's a lot of people who just don't know how to get started or they don't know who to call or they know they need something but someone else did it but who was that person there's just this opportunity for all of us to share more information to share what we do best to learn from each other and I really think that with better coordination among states and systems of higher ed as well as these multi-compact regions we can all win so with that I'll turn it over to Jenny oh and this is my sorry I forgot about my final picture I just wanted to say these are the hands-on people that we brought into the conversation you can see legislators technologists librarians OER advocates Regina's in the picture Jenny me so many awesome people people who are new to OER people who were experts in OER and we brought them all together for the MEC summit that Jenny's going to talk about next and she's really the expert for her region so take it away Jenny thank you Tanya and thank you Regina for helping me with my slides so as I said I'm Jenny Parks the director of academic leadership initiatives at the Midwestern Higher Education Compact and my job for the last year has focused heavily on implementing processes and programs that will help the institutions in our states adopt and create and otherwise implement OER more effectively and at higher levels so if Regina if you'll give me my next slide so as Tanya said we are the Midwestern region these are the MEC states here that you're seeing on this slide the kind of work we do is based exactly on the model that Tanya talked about which is based on sharing success sharing strategies we do a lot of network and sharing so what we've been able to create in the last six months is a regional OER newsletter a list server and we have a series of webinars that we're creating in fact interestingly our last webinar was about different ways of calculating cost savings and actually the North Dakota auditor and that process was part of that webinar so you could take a look at our website if you want to hear those people talk about the way they did their study as she said we started we kicked it off with a large convening in Chicago in November 2018 to which we invited up to five members of a team from each of our states I'll tell you a little bit more about who the people who are on those teams and since that time we've been having monthly phone calls we've been trying to share our our ideas across states within states etc and we now are starting on July 1st another 12-month plan for mech work with our states the bulk of which is still supporting communications and sharing and convening and of course as Tanya mentioned we do collaborate with the other regional compacts and continue to do that next if you wanted to find out more about what we're doing you can go to our website and the OER page that will give you access again to the webinars to some of the documents and there's an overview of the mech work there which will be updated in the next few weeks so if you really want the the most up-to-date information wait till maybe the beginning of July to take a look at that next I would say that the real strength of our approach has been what I call the mech OER action teams these are the folks who came to the original summit in November of 2018 but it's also folks we've added since then but the goal at that point was to access as widely and as and as representatively as possible anyone in the state who has who's a stakeholder in in education and in OER so we had representatives from SHIELD offices K-12 agencies we had legislatures legislators we had students faculty librarians administrators sometimes we even have bookstore reps anyone who can be a meaningful part of this conversation was had the potential to be invited we couldn't invite as many people as we needed to but since that time in a lot of the state teams they have added to that original five in some states they've kept it very small as they're still trying to figure out how they want to scale their efforts and in other in other states they've had the board of regents officially recognize their team and it's growing and it's got a membership process etc so we have a lot of variety in the ways that the states are handling it which is something we always try to be respectful of and it's going to be a different educational and political climate everywhere so we want to facilitate states doing this the way that they find most advantageous and as I said we provide support for their work in in the form of research ideas and hopefully looking to help them find some funding as well next so in the last six months we we had our convening in November and every state team created a six month plan of the things they wanted to accomplish in the first half of 28 2019 and they actually accomplished quite a lot some of the more notable accomplishments are four of the 12 have been able to make presentations to their legislatures in four also in four not the same four necessarily in four states they've had statewide surveys of the institutional OER work that's already happening and this is the first time in a lot of these places that they've been able to gather that information and so that's one of the big things that I see all the states wanting to do eventually is establish that baseline data and find out who's doing what where and who the best OER contact at each institution is we've also had several states where they've created a repository that others have now joined into or there was an existing repository usually and often with the the K-12 entity in the state usually that's an OER commons hub and they have made that open and available to members of the higher ed committee so one of the things that is happening in a lot of the states is that they are moving toward a single repository where you're going to have continuity between K-12 and higher ed and you're going to have a common set of protocols for metadata for how you know if something needs to be removed or if something needs to be updated they're going to have that consistency across the state which we feel will build in the capacity for for more work and higher quality work and then there were several states where they did not have a pre-existing relationship with OTN and or OpenStacks and so we've been able to facilitate some of that and will continue to do that and to continue to connect them with other national efforts and national conferences the research base all of those types of things we're trying really hard just to create capacity I would say that's really our strategy capacity is the is the main goal our next steps of course are to continue supporting and doing our networking work for our states we also want to work on some additional convenings we would love to be able to contribute to a state level summit or convening in each of our states but that will depend on what kind of funding we can find and also we would love to do another regional convening and then again I'm working on some more specific plans that hopefully you'll be able to read about when I update all that information on our website if you have any more questions please let me know Jenny Parks the director of academic leadership at Mac and I'll give it back to Regina for our panel discussion yeah well thank you thank you everyone thank you Jenny Tonya and Bill what an awesome discussion of what's happening statewide and multi-state I haven't been able to see the chat so I don't know we have questions but in the meantime I have a question and you know any any one of you can answer it what are the challenges that you see as you implement state and multi-state or we are collaboration and any one of you can start hi Regina this is Jenny one of the challenges at the beginning has been just coming from from a position that is not within any particular state and it's identifying the key actors and it's it's not uncommon for you to approach someone at a state level leadership position especially the SHEO officers and they don't necessarily because it and it makes sense it's not really the type of thing that has risen to their radar you know it's not on the radar yet but it was really hard to identify the people who needed to be at the table to have these discussions and that's one of the things the all of the teams continue to struggle with is how do we make sure that everyone who needs to be a part of this conversation is a part of this conversation because people are doing things off and you know on their own and it's it's connecting all of those things that was a major challenge for us at least this is Tanya too I would just say one of the challenges for doing multi-state work and working with states in general is that not all states are exactly the same so there's a lot of difference among states in terms of governance structure how they interact with the legislature in one state there might be multiple agencies that oversee different sectors of higher education so there could be one you know like in some states like in North Dakota there's just one SHEO office state higher education executive offices at the North Dakota University system but in the state of California that's spread among multiple agencies that do multiple things for multiple systems and so every state has a bit different structure and one thing that I think it makes it a little more complicated is that not everything works everywhere so you know you can say this is a great this is a great thing that worked really really well in Pennsylvania and then it just will not translate completely like that and still has to be customized just a bit to say work in Montana or in another state and so while there are similarities among states and definitely things that seem to be to make sense it also means that every new state is a different challenge every new system has its own special flavor student population the way they structure their institutions and so we really have to keep in mind that it's not simple right so even though we're all sharing all these ideas it's still complicated every time different people different governance structure different way of funding legislatures meet different years all kinds of things so anyway that's just a that's a that's definitely one of the barriers are one of the challenges yeah well thank you and I have one for you Bill so for Pennsylvania do you have a mechanism in which you can track each of the institutions we are adoptions we we're getting toward that now we're just in the process now of collecting information about where everybody is at with their initiatives I think we are going to have a system connected with the system that that open textbook network is already using for tracking adoptions we were almost at point but we're not quite there yet okay yeah well that's good to know I'm sorry I wanted to mention we did get a question in the chat window and you mentioned you couldn't see it so oh okay yeah I can see it is that from Sibyl oh wonderful I'm glad you can see it yeah and yeah we have a question here from Sibyl it's and says here it would be extremely cool and valuable and helpful to have state repositories how can this be done and or are these kinds of projects already in motion I'm Sibyl I can see before I turn it over to our speaker I can see with regards to what is happening here in Michigan actually to repositories so it's still with OER Commons but the first repository is with the MCO OER statewide steering committee which is representative of all the community colleges here in Michigan so we were diverse to have an OER repository of all OER that we use in our respective institutions and now last year we have the K212 through our state's participation go open they now have their own microsite actually by OER Commons so our goal really in our work here statewide in Michigan is to have a repository that includes all sectors in education K212 to higher ed and so what about you Bill or Kanya and Jenny what can you say about repository I do know that Pelsie is looking into it but they've just started and I don't have very much information about it but I know they've been talking to another state I want to say Ohio but I could be wrong about that working together to to come up with with a platform but that's that's about all I know at this time this is Tanya and I'm I've always been a bit hesitant about state branded OER repositories only because I think it's somewhat duplicative to have everyone creating their own open repository if it's already free and available in another state but I do understand states would like to have their own branded curriculums and those kinds of things so when I when I work with states and systems who are considering doing in their own repository I always recommend that they work very closely with librarians because you're the best at making sure that everything is searchable and findable and discoverable because it really does not help anyone to have a repository of stuff nobody can find so there's plenty of that already out there that is undiscoverable and just somewhere in an archive and I my best advice on anyone who's trying to do their own repository is work with your librarians that it's searchable and we can all use it and share it and you're not recreating something that's already been done in another states. Hi Regina this is Jenny so in in some of our states where they are moving toward a central repository they are definitely doing exactly exactly what Tanya has recommended because we don't have an OER action team that doesn't have a lot of librarians on it and that's by design and very much on purpose so when they are looking at having state repositories it's usually because one has already been established by one sector of the higher ed or even the K-12 community and rather than duplicating sites rather than having all of these different places they are wanting to pull their resources and their efforts in one place and yes one of the big things that they are very much discussing is how this how these sites become available not just to folks in the state but you know throughout the world because of the design of it they're being very careful and methodical so I'm really proud of that work and that is a good caution that Tanya has given us I can say the reason that a lot of states want it to be their own state repository is because a lot of times that is tied to the funding they get for their for their OER initiative if it's coming from the some entity within the state and another reason is that they sometimes have especially the K-12 level they have state curriculum requirements and so they need to adapt things and they want it living in their state and something that looks like it's official and indeed is in this case so I don't know if that's helpful but those are some of the things that I've observed yeah and we also have one question here from Rhonda and I think it's for you Bill Rhonda is asking benefits of having a membership at OTN? I just saw that I know well originally they joined so that the steering group had a network with which they could talk to other consortia about how they're set up and they they found that really valuable but from my own perspective OTN is really good at training people to go back to their institutions and promote adoptions I attended I attended the Institute last summer and I came away with a lot of really valuable stuff that I can use and the training that they do is training that you can take away and take back to your own institutions to work with your own faculty. I think you were really good job with that. Thank you Bill and I see Suzanne in our chat and she was saying that one big advantage of a state repository is that it makes it easier for faculty to reach out to each other for questions and collaborations and yes that is true because sometimes when you go to a big repository such as OER Commons and when you do a search it just gives you an overwhelming number of results and probably it's harder for faculty or any of educators that are interested in what we are in your institution to find exactly what they are going for so yeah. One more thing while we're waiting for questions and this is again for multi-state collaboration and also for a state collaboration what do you see are the common asks that each of the states has been asking or educating that you help with or institutions in case of Bill or Pennsylvania. Hi Regina this is Jenny that's actually one of the things that I've been asking all my state teams here towards the end of our first six months and so again it's going to be things that I've already mentioned but the short list is help us figure out repositories do we have one do we have many and what's the best way to set one up and that can mean a lot of things whether it's you know again it can be metadata it can be what type of site it is it can be protocols and it can be OER creation platforms there are a lot of pieces of that. Most of the states want to figure out how to host some type of statewide OER summit they want to know how to organize it how to bring people in how to incentivize people. We are higher ed compacts we are allowed to and love to serve the K-12 community but we don't usually do that as much as we would like to so on some of our state teams all of the state teams either have a strong K-12 presence or want that and so they are yearning for that for there to be this connection between K-12 and higher ed in the OER realm especially with relation with relation to dual and concurrent enrollment courses and then a lot of them want some leadership training for institutional leaders, shio leaders even legislators because they want to be able to talk to them about their needs about what's going on and have them understand more thoroughly and more carefully what they want and then they're just wanting to be a part of the national and international conversation they need that community of practice they need to understand that they're part of a movement and and that really energizes everyone and kind of makes all the efforts jail. So your question Regina was what are states asking? Yeah okay so I actually one of the things that came to mind when you said that was I think so folks are struggling between the difference between the words affordable learning and OER in general they're also getting a lot of advertisement and pressure from companies who offer inclusive access and the deals look really good and the prices are low and I think everyone in states wants to do the right thing for students so I don't you know everyone everywhere you go they're looking for a great solution to help their students do better including faculty who who just need help with their courses and there's a lot of confusion about this difference between inclusive access the term affordable learning and open educational resources and that is a national conversation that needs to continue and that I don't have all the answers for yet. And for me the the questions that I've been getting from the campus partners in my region are kind of very similar to those and kind of all over the map depending on where where they are with their own projects I get questions people are looking for advice on how to set up training on their own campuses how to some of them are actually participating in the OTN review process with some of their faculty and need some coordination there some people just want to know how to find OER in particular subjects someone to get started with publishing at their institutions really really all over the place. Yeah well thank you thank you this has really been an informative and illuminating discussion around you know collaboration with OER and please you can still ask questions we still have time but I just like to go on and tell you more about some of the things that are happening at CCCOER so you can look and see upcoming conferences by going to our website CCCOER.org and there's a link there that says get involved you can see upcoming conferences you know most notably would be the big one is in October the open ed conference CCCOER members a lot of them will be there and certainly we will be there I think Bill and Tanya and Jenny will be so you want to meet them in person and you haven't met them yet then that will be your chance and also because CCCOER is a community of practice we really have a robust mailing list and you can sign up if you aren't already in there again you can go to the website and there's a section there that says community email and we'll be happy to welcome you into that community of practice and also we have spring webinar series this is the fifth of our webinar series for the spring if you want to view any of our past webinars there are archive if you go to CCCOER.org and go to webinar the archives are available there both the PowerPoint slides and the recording so if there's something that interests you with the past webinars that we've done feel free to come and check that out also if you have additional questions such as membership or any other assistance that CCCOER can extend do you please don't hesitate to contact Huna Daley who's the executive director of CCCOER Quill West who is our president right or outgoing president and Liz Yatta are wonderful support for CCCOER so again I'd like to thank our panel for today, Bill, Hemig, Jenny Parks, and Tanya Spilovoy for a wonderful discussion that we have and if you have any further questions about the multi-state and statewide collaboration so thank you so much and I hope to see you again soon and have a wonderful summer thank you thank you thanks everyone thanks Regina thank you