 Hi everyone. Sorry about that. I'll just leave it in a minute. Just let people join from the other channel. Okay, good morning everyone. Thank you all for trying to join us today. Sorry about the technical difficulties we had to start. As a quick heads up, we will be recording this call to put on YouTube, so if you don't want to be on the stream, please keep your camera off. Feel free not to speak on my screen if you don't want to. I put the agenda into the community call channel, so you can view that if you want to follow along. Let's just start with a quick round of introductions. It's raining now. So I can start. Hi, I'm Joshua from Glasgow in Scotland. I'm the community lead for ethereum.org. Feel free to ping you if any ideas you have for the community or any support needs or if you want to collaborate in some way with the team. Luca, would you like to go next? Hey everyone, my name is Luca. I'm managing the ethereum.org translation program. That's what I'm focusing most of my time on. So if you ever want to chat translations, if you ever need some support, got any questions, feel free to reach out in the translations channel or DM me. I guess Paul, you want to go ahead? Sure. Good morning everyone. My name is Paul. I'm an ethereum.org front-end developer. I'm out on the West Coast and also a bit of a professional rabbit hole inspector. I am a big fan of things like PoApps as well as the staking community and protocol support. I'll pass it along to Corwin. Corwin, I live in Alberta, Canada. I'm a web developer on the ethereum.org team working on ethereum.org. And yeah, if you guys ever have any technical questions when you get stuck working on features or anything that you're committing or contributing for ethereum.org, feel free to reach out in the discord. You have a few contributing channels and stuff that I'm happy to help out in. I guess Paul, blow you can go next. Yep. Hello guys. Hello all. My name is Pablo. I'm from Argentina. Yep. Basically, I'm a front-end developer working for the ethereum.org team. Yeah. You can chat with me all things related to web development technologies and crypto, of course. I'll pass it to Sam, I guess. Hey everybody. Awesome to see so many people here. Thanks for coming. Cool to see a bunch of familiar names. My name is Sam. I live in Lake Tahoe, California. I've been working on ethereum.org for two years and change now. I'm a software developer and team lead here at the ethereum.org squad. You can see just a small group of us and really driven by the community of you folks who, you know, hundreds of code and content contributors and thousands of translators that make this project possible. So thank you all. Yeah. Love to chat all things ethereum. My username is samajamans. You'll see me on discord and github and feel free to reach out if you ever want to get in touch. Okay. Thanks everyone. I've just started sharing my screen. So if you want to have a look at that, if you're not following along with the agenda, feel free. The last thing I really wanted to cover is this is obviously a community call for ethereum.org website and not so much a community call that represents the ethereum network or protocol directly. Our team is supported by the ethereum foundation, but we don't even necessarily represent the views of the ethereum foundation itself. So just wanted to clear that to start with that in mind where possible. We'll try to prioritize discussion around things like how the website ethereum.org can better create content to help developers build on ethereum or things like create better educational content to make ethereum more accessible and maybe not so much around things like what is happening with sharding on ethereum for instance. With that being said, many of us do live and breathe ethereum. So we're happy to answer a wide range of questions if time allows. So on this call, as the agenda says, we'll quickly just run through some standout features that have been implemented by the community. We'll go through our new community hub and we'll give it an anticipation and then we'll quickly run over the translator acknowledgments page and towards the time we've got at the end, we'll do a quick Q&A. So the first thing that actually went to the highlight was just some awesome things that we've added to the site recently as a result of some community contributions. So I'm going to stop sharing my screen just now. First up, we've got Corwin who's going to talk a little bit about Xenmode and site search. Real quick, if I may, this is Corwin. I want to happen. Thank you for so many people being here. If we could, if everyone could just check their mics, do us a favor and try to make sure you're muted through this since we're all in a joining room like this. Much thanks. Awesome. So yeah, as Josh said, we would like to highlight a few features that were merged quite recently for Ethereum.org that were standout features from contributors in the community. So one of the new ones that we merged that maybe some of you have used was a Xenmode toggle for the documentation section of Ethereum.org. And so for those that aren't familiar with what Xenmode is, we have a toggle up in the top right here of that page. When you toggle it, it'll get rid of all the menus and navigation items for that webpage. They'll just focus you on the content for the documentation that's there. You can just have to hit that toggle to open it or turn it on, I guess. And same thing to turn it back off. You can also hit the escape key to turn it off. But yeah, this is a contribution made by, and I'm probably going to butcher the name, but Akimidam. And very much appreciate this contribution to Ethereum.org. I'm sure it'll be very helpful for people who are going through the documentation just being able to focus on the content. And one other feature I would like to highlight here is the shortcut focus for searching. So you might have seen our search bar changed for desktop recently, where we added this slash into it. Basically, what that was highlighting is when you hit the slash on your keyboard, it'll auto focus onto that search, making it so you can search the website quicker without having to take your hands off the keyboard or the mouse or something like that. And would like to thank, again, I'll probably butcher the name, but as Nikhil for that. Yeah, definitely appreciate these features, guys. And looking forward to highlighting more community features. I believe Paul has one that he is going to highlight. So I'll stop sharing my screen here. Sure, sure. I won't be necessarily sharing a screen. If you want to check out, I think I was going to look at it on Ethereum.org homepage. You can scroll down to the bottom. So the homepage chart, this is something that we set up closer to where it was just a very simple setup. We wanted to display some common metrics that people would look at related to the Ethereum ecosystem, give people a glance of what's going on on every given day. This started off as just the simple value. And we had a contributor who helped us out getting going with charts on the page. This was Andrew Rofos. Thank you so much, Andrew, for helping out with that. I had hopped in that to learn. This was a couple of months ago now. We're trying to get this over the edge after we got an award to set these charts. So yes, apologies for the value locked in DeFi endpoint that you see here. This is something that's on our docket as well. We want to get that taken care of. We've been in touch with the folks over at DeFi Pulse and may consider some updates to this again in the future. But yeah, thank you, Andrew, for helping make this possible. Awesome. Yeah, Sam here. Thank you, Paul and Corwin. Just wanted to again give a shout out to those contributors and really call out. You've seen us introduce ourselves. Guys, we're a team of six people total right now. So we're a small team and we do product planning. We publish our roadmaps every quarter on GitHub for like features and new content that we plan to create. But like a lot of what happens on Ethereum.org is community driven. And I think these are three great examples of like people taking initiative to suggest new features that we hadn't even thought of and got this stuff added to the website. So if you are looking to get involved, build your resume, kind of build your reputation in the Ethereum space. This is a great way to do it. We try to be as open as possible to any suggestions that people come up with. Yeah, so thanks Corwin, Paul, Sam. Yeah, Sam was saying these are really great examples of contributors advocating for features that we weren't actively focused on and now they're live than used by potentially knowns of users. So really great to see. Especially some improvements like the charts that we've wanted to do for a long time, but just maybe didn't have the capacity to actually prioritise. So yeah, once again, just a big thanks to Hakeem, Seth, Nikhil and Andrew for their contributions there. Yes, thank you, Talia. And of course, anybody else who we didn't necessarily highlight right here was contributed. Thank you so much. Yeah, so I'm now sharing my screen again. Next up we have the community hub that we quickly want to discuss. Although this was completed by our team, much of the design work was completed by a contributor who was collaborating with us through Discord. So big thanks to Scott for all of his work on this. So the motivation behind this page itself was that our old community page was just really a poorly organised bunch of lists. We wanted to create something that was both more visually interesting and more helpful to people to find their place within the community. So we felt that one of the most important things to highlight with this was probably the why of getting involved. Obviously it varies so greatly from person to person, but we found that the key points here of just finding a place where you actually belong within the stadium, being able to earn money and being able to make an impact was some just key important points we thought were worthy of highlighting. Next we wanted just to highlight different ways to get involved. So we've got our four main call-outs here. Firstly there's the online communities page. For a while we've wanted to grow out these resources that we listed, but the trouble with the original design was that it became very hard to just find what you're looking for. So we used some clever design tricks here, the use of icons, just to make the more information more scannable, adding some nice spacing to it, and now you can see it's now very easy just to navigate and find what you actually want. We also broke out this events section which includes our events and meet-ups. So to allow people to participate in events, conferences, etc. we wanted everything just to be easier to find. Before what we listed was just a simple list of events and again this was really hard to navigate and users weren't given all the correct information. So in this new design with each event you can see it's very easy to find the dates of the events and we also explicitly state where the event's actually happening. So again you can find an event near you and one that will actually work for you. For the meet-ups the main change we added was just to add search functionality to this. So for example if you live in, let's say Vienna, you can just simply search and find a meet-up in people in the area who want to know chat, Ethereum and talk about the recent developments. Next iteration of this page will be, or this community hub rather, will be including a meet-up guide so that we'll give you all the information you need about how to actually start a meet-up. So keep your eye out for that, that should be coming out beginning at next year at some point hopefully. We've got this section for contributing to projects. So on this page we list out ways that you can contribute based on your skill set. So let's say you land here and you are a non-technical person, you can go to the non-technical heading and just have a quick look through this and let's say you land on you want to write content for Ethereum. So we just provide you places that you can look so you can actively contribute and whether it's writing or you want to organize meet-ups or perhaps you're a researcher and you want to just think that how to get involved with research this is all contained in this one page rather than just being split as we said before in this community page which was a bit of a mess of just different lengths. And on this page we've obviously got a couple of more things call outs to finding jobs in the ecosystem, getting a grant. If you are working on a project and you need funding you should definitely check this page out. Contributing to ethereum.org itself, that's obviously something that we would love to see and if you need help with that feel free to message me or anyone else in the team. Yeah and the last thing I'd like to cover on this is just our new support page so it starts out just very basically explaining the decentralized nature of ethereum and that there is no official support for ethereum but directs users for places where they can get support so whether that support with their wallet support building out decentralized applications on ethereum or even running their own nodes. And lastly we have this section on like frequently asked support questions so this is things like sending eth to the wrong wallet. We hope to grow this over time so if you do look through this and you find things that you think we should ask feel free to ping us or feel free to open an issue or a PR and we'll try and get different things added. And again obviously any feedback you have on this page we'd love to hear about so please post them on our discord prefer will be on our website general channel or just reach out individually to a team member. So next up the important part for many people here the Po-Apps. So if you aren't you should check out my screen just now because it was where I'll be firstly sharing the passcode to get the Po-App. So I'll quickly run through how to actually claim it before we do that. If you go to any channel on our discord server you can see on the users list on the right hand pane that the Po-App bot is right at the top. If you click on this bot and send the message you'll just send keyword to the Po-App bot and the Po-App bot will send you a link back with a claim link back for where you can get your Po-App. Click on that fill in your address your wallet address and that'll be your Po-App claimed. So the passcode itself is it's all community so that's it's all community all lowercase no apostrophe. If you message that to the Po-App bot once again if you just go on our discord server find the Po-App bot at the top send it a message with the passcode it's all community the bot will send you a message back and you can enter your wallet address to claim. So everybody will get it. Everyone will get it. I'll leave it a minute or two to get. Sorry to interrupt I'm just wondering what is the Po-App? All right great question. I can up on that for anybody who hasn't actually experienced Po-App. Po-App stands for proof of attendance protocol which ultimately is just a set of where you can get NFTs essentially T721 minted for just participating in different things various things especially in the Ethereum ecosystem. It was put together at East Denver in 19 if I believe Patricio Warthalters the guy who leads the project. These are minted originally on XDAI and they're minted for free on XDAI which sidechain to Ethereum. If you want to pay the gas you can easily click a button and migrate it over to mainnet but ultimately it's just a fun way to show that you participated in different things and to kind of build up a repertoire if you will like a little collection of Po-Apps as you attend different things in the Ethereum space. They can be for virtual events like this one they can also be very prevalent in real life events like conferences for example. So if you haven't grabbed one yet make this your first one go message Po-App bot and get started collecting them. Cool thank you. Yeah thanks for clarifying Paul and thanks for asking the question. It's very easy to get wrapped up in the ecosystem and not remember that so many of these are quite abstract concepts so yeah thanks for asking. I'll just leave it another 30 seconds or so just to let everyone claim and then we'll move on. Yeah and while people are climbing too I'll step back on that community page I just wanted to point out to people that some of those things are I mean again everything's open source anybody if you see something that's wrong please you know feel free to raise it with us or go to GitHub and raise an issue. Also the events page in particular is one that's kind of an ongoing thing it needs to be updated over time so if you're aware of any Ethereum events if you hear of any particular big meetups or if there's conferences in your industry please feel free to again let us know or submit a PR to update that it's all the events are basically held in one repo and if you need help learning how to do that you can message one of us or post in one of the channels. Great I'm now going to stop sharing my screen but you can still claim the Po-App bot once again the passcode is it's all community if you just message that to the bot I'll send you back a link. Always has been so it always has been so next up our translation lead looker is just going to speak a little bit about some of the work that we've been doing to acknowledge just all this amazing work that our translators have been doing. Yeah sure let me just share my screen. The anticipation yeah very excited to show everyone the new acknowledgements and the leaderboards we've been working on. Just a sec here we go so this is something that we published recently it's a translator acknowledgement page or a contributor acknowledgement page more like it this is dedicated to our translators the purpose here is to acknowledge and highlight all of our translators and especially the ones who have made the biggest impact on the translation program. This is the first iteration of this page so it will probably develop over time we are planning on adding other content to it but for now in short this contains our translator leaderboards where you can check out our top translators most active translators for each for the last month the last quarter and our most active all-time translators. This is again the first iteration of this leaderboard so if if you're a part of it if you're listed on it and notice that something is off feel free to reach out let us know it's still a work in progress but it is yeah we're happy to be able to share this with you it's something that we've been working on for a while especially thinking about ways how we can acknowledge our translators given that there's thousands of them and the best ways to highlight them so yeah the first part of this is the leaderboard the second part is this page our translators page where you can see all of the translators who have ever contributed to the translation program at all so if you've ever translated anything you can find yourself on this page and the last part is a section on po-apps what they are how you can claim them some general tips on you know claiming po-apps with self custody wallets as opposed to exchange wallets stuff like that the po-apps are something that we're also keen to build on and be able to you know create new po-apps um basically build on this and we're planning on yeah we're gonna have new po-apps next year probably gonna have different criteria than there have been so far so right now our translators can claim three different po-apps the 2021 the 21 gen uh contributor po-app which everyone can get the 1k and the 10k po-apps for people who have translated 1000 and 2000 words effectively yeah so that's it for the po-apps right now we are working on a translator certificate as well that we will be adding to this page uh if you've visited the translations channel in this past few days you've probably seen the vote where we kind of ask the community which certificate they would like that it it's all community so that is all in the work right now we will be adding this to the acknowledgement page and yeah like I said thinking of other ways how we could highlight and acknowledge our translators moving forward so if you've got any ideas if there's anything that you would like to see if there is a specific way how you uh as a translator would like to be acknowledged or highlighted feel free to reach out also if you've got any feedback about this page at all feel free to reach out you can drop us a message in the translations channel for example or send me a dm and we will yeah take your feedback and thoughts on board for the next iteration of this page and for the next for all the for all the content that we're planning to add moving forward um yeah at this point I'd like to thank all of our contributors and in particular the translators in this case as Sam already mentioned a large part of ethereum.org is community a lot of the content on the website was contributed by the community and the translations themselves they're all community right so it's incredible to see that we've got 37 languages available on the website with at least five that we will be adding very soon um yeah so thank you for helping us make the website accessible to everyone regardless of their language that's what the purpose of the translation program is if you want to get involved with the translations send us a message in the translations channel send me a dm we can help you get on boarded and start translating if you're bilingual and want to get involved want to contribute um so that would be it for me thanks again beautiful thank you Luca for working on this and yeah once again thank you to all the translators who are involved so and take a second just to remind everyone that we've had to jump over to a voice channel so if you do join in and you're not speaking please make sure that you're on mute thank you um and yeah I heard it sounds like a couple of people are still trying to grab their po-up at the last moment so once again the po-up claim code is it's all community feel free to message the po-up bot and the bot will sort you out I'm going to share my screen again so we'd like to spend basically the rest of the time here just going through questions from the community we do have a list here of questions ready to go um if you've already asked the question here you don't have to ask it again but firstly we'd like to just open up the floor to everyone here um if you've got a question just feel free to unmute and speak up or if for any reason you don't feel comfortable with that you can also use the community channel to chat as well I heard someone on mute where are you do you have a question um hi I'm uh I'm my name is ETH maxi tard um super big fan of the website amazing that there's only six of you um my question was um uh now that ethereum is switching to prioritize layer 2s and that's the future of ethereum I was wondering if we should have ethereum.org focused more on on boarding users directly to layer 2 for example the wallets page um having a much bigger emphasis on l2 compatible wallets and I saw there was um some issue related to that but I feel like it's really important because there's so many complaints about gas fees now um even though l2s like arbitram are already available I feel like we should have a much bigger emphasis on on l2s on the website and and just not onboard them to mainnet at all if possible yeah really great question um I wonder if anyone else in the team wants to chime in on this but I just want to firstly start by completely agreeing with you that the next stage is trying to get people directly on l2s I think that truthfully that the infrastructure to do that is only really just matured in the last month or so you know you've got announcements from finance and coinbase getting people directly onto arbitram and other layer 2s um but yeah I definitely think we could be doing some more work on that um does anyone else in the team want to speak on this at all I can chime in too yeah thank you for raising the question I also agree with that sentiment uh and and the fact that yeah these are still relatively new technology so it's it has been tough to go full throttle into pushing these just yeah because like Josh said there's not a lot of centralized support from the you know the different uh exchanges that are out there that number of new users are utilizing to get on board it um but I do agree that as that's rolled out we have already kind of tell we want to date our wallet section it's definitely date at this point as far as features things people are are looking for from a uh so this is definitely something that I would like to see pursued as we go forward now l2 support it's going to be key going forward and that's just too expensive yeah and like to add to that a bit we're looking to revamp the wallet section um and that is a filter that multi-chain support which would include l2s in this case um is definitely a filter that looking to add in our wallet section for for that case that you're describing exactly like being able to just onboard onto an l2 in a wallet is going to be very important cool thank you yeah thanks for asking does anyone else want to ask anything or if not we can jump into the the questions we got during the week hey josh well I had a quick one just on the the website um I know we I know it looks like we typically use get coin for kind of feature bounties and things that are related or maybe peripheral to each org but just wondering if you guys have thought about employing kind of community bounties um sorry are you asking if for features on ethereum.org if we work with like get coin or yeah or or use a I don't know if there's an ethereum.org treasury that you guys manage but just potentially tapping into that to kind of accelerate some features and have many hackathons or or things like that yeah um I'll let I'll let Sam speak to this um because I know it's something that we've looked into in the past before my time um so Sam do you want to take this one sure yeah thank you for the question and I mean overall like this is why we have these community calls because we want input like this so great to hear there is potential interest is like get coin get coin bounties is a great platform and something we've used you know years into the past to kind of just like generate interest and obviously incentivize people and actually like reward them for potential contributions to ethereum.org so something we've done in the past it it it was like a non-zero maintenance thing and this was back when the team was basically just me and one other person so we ended up kind of just like putting that off for now I think largely just because of the maintenance but I think that is something we could definitely reignite um um I feel like we tend to have some tension between you know having this open source website this open source community where the large majority of people right are just completely volunteering their time and like it very much is an altruistic decision to like give back to the ethereum community and pay it forward in a way with content and contributions to like you know help onboard the next you know million people into the ethereum landscape so we do hit a little bit of tension where we say like pay for certain features but not for others you get a little bit of a slippery slope of like hey why not me I've been contributing for months and have never been paid so in short it's something we do think about of like what is the best way to get people involved and we do want to reward people who put in who put in the work so yeah if if bounties is something you'd like to see um I'd say yeah like get involved in our discord create issues um this is something we could definitely build out and like potentially help create like a community run bounty program I think would be something great to see in the future yeah yeah I mean the specific mechanism I had in mind was just half people who either build on ethereum so dapps or layer twos or or potentially venture capital fund suspects that have benefited from ethereum just provide um kind of a matching mechanism um via get coin and just have them say hey I'll match anyone in eth org who wants to put up money to help fund the next big feature like maybe a mobile feature right which would be pretty pretty uh that'd be a pretty big undertaking um and just have kind of a the like a dapps treasury maybe from uniswap or others that would match things or maybe you know do a two to one match I have to see that work well in other nonprofits just to get a potentially get around that problem you you'd highlighted but yeah fully fully recognized money introduces the whole kind of work yeah all good ideas thank you yeah thank you for the question um want to keep this rolling so if anyone doesn't have any other questions we can jump into the community questions that we got beforehand um feel so yeah feel free to after a question interrupt if you've thought of something or want to ask a follow-up or you've got something tangentially related um first question that we've got in here is what fresh content as a team are you prioritizing from for ethereum.org and that's from anonymous um yeah so thanks for your question good question um so many important things that we'd love to produce content for I think so as Sam and Corwin already mentioned one thing that we're working towards right now is a better more refined wallet section of the site at the moment it's a bit overwhelming to users and users without any context so the ecosystem can get a bit lost um obviously we want to try and onboard people into layer twos as we already discussed so that's one thing that's definitely a high priority for the the near term uh Paul's also currently just adding finishing touches to a new page on running an ethereum node um which goes into the similar to the community page the why you've why you'd want to run a node and how you can actually do it you know the technical specs and things like that um I'll I'll get in post our roadmap in the chat but our q4 our q4 roadmap highlights a lot of these things um so you can have a look at that to see what we're currently thinking about and at the beginning of next year we'll post a q1 roadmap as well which we encourage people to have input on um worth noting on the roadmap itself these are the thoughts of the team um but we do try to enable anyone in the community who wishes to advocate for new content that we haven't thought about um I supposed to open up a little bit I met a question for anyone here is this if there's any ideas for content or things that you'd like to see on the site that we should prioritize that we don't already have on the roadmap or we don't have on the site um please speak up just now if you've got anything like that um or if you don't want to feel free to put in the community call chat or even ping us afterwards about that and I've um I've posted a link to our roadmap in the chat if you're interested in checking that out okay um I'll keep this rolling then so the next question is as a ferium secured or safe yesterday have been cheated with my point to a ferium they said it was a giveaway for a ferium started by the co-founder that's from satish um wow really sorry to hear about that um does anyone in the team want to maybe speak to us a little bit yeah get up and on this again I'm also sorry to hear that that happens satish um first off as far as the ethereum security I mean this is this is a network that's extremely secure um you know run by a decentralized network of thousands of nodes so as far as the protocol of ethereum it's extremely secure and with that comes what's called immutability meaning you can't just go back and change things that have happened in the past and when transactions occur when they've been included in a block they are essentially permanent so in this case it doesn't mean that everything is perfectly safe you need to be very careful out there when it comes to interacting online or when it comes to these kind of these freebie type things where you say oh send some meat this way and we'll send you twice as much back that's known as an asymmetric giveaway amongst other terms it's it's always a scam okay so please stay safe out there if you send your money to an address there is no way you can get it back unless you know the person who owns that address or private keys to it yourself all right so anytime you see these things a very common scam unfortunately is youtube channels can get taken over by hackers who break in people maybe their account security wasn't great a hacker gets in they take control over and then they delete the entire channel but keep all the followers and then they revamp they rebrand it essentially as something that looks legitimate like it's run by the ethereum foundation for example oh if i tell stage talking so he's talked at a lot of conferences i mean there's a lot of footage like that it doesn't mean that like this is legit so anytime you're posed with things like this where you think oh i can get some free eth if i just send my eth just don't uh report those channels um and stay away from them again so sorry that that you lost a myth in that situation yeah we um recently released the page on staying safe in ethereum and just avoiding scams in general uh corwin has posted a link to that in the community call chat i'd honestly recommend everyone to read it um when the team were researching content for this page we learned a lot of valuable information even with the experience a lot of us have so it's probably pretty valuable regardless of of your experience in crypto but yeah sorry to hear about that again but just recommend everyone does their due diligence and tries their best to not fault for any scams like this um moving along we've got a couple of hiring questions are there any upcoming opportunities for ethereum.org developers and when designer hire um i'll pass this one to sam she's largely been dealing with that yeah happy to speak to this glad there's interest in these opportunities so yeah um in short yes upcoming opportunities for developers at ethereum.org um no official job post at this point in time and i guess to take a step back again you know ethereum.org yeah currently a small team six of us working on this full time um alongside you know the hundreds of you helping out um we are supported by the ethereum foundation which is great the ethereum foundation you know has resources at its disposal and i think more and more is recognizing just the importance of ethereum.org or just like educational ethereum content in general um having a place where you know anyone can contribute where we're hopefully providing a credibly neutral source of information to just help onboard people help people keep up to date with this whole ecosystem that just evolves incredibly rapidly um so we we do have an open um job posting um for a product designer um we've been fortunate to get like nearly a hundred applications so far for that um and in terms of timeline like if you have applied hopefully you've already heard back from us i know we've we've started our first uh round of interviews just this past week um timing's kind of hard to estimate depending on people's schedules with the new year coming up but i would say yeah by january or february where we're looking to to land a hire on that front and for developers out there yeah no official job posting open but i will say and like speakers today i think our good testament of this of like the the first place we look to hire people is within our existing community and within existing contributors on ethereum.org paul here could speak to you know he started as someone who just started opening prs on github and helping us knock out features and um and bugs um over half or i guess half the team here originally started as just open source contributors on github or crowd in or or discord so great way to to build a resume um to get seen whether that's eventually hired by you know the ethereum.org team or if you're just looking for you know a role within the ecosystem in general i would say open source contributions are like such a big value add in terms of showing showing what you're capable of so definitely encourage you to get involved i know sometimes it's hard to work for free right we're all busy we need to make a living and support ourselves and our family and our friends um but a great way to get into the space is to yeah just like solve problems provide value and i can assure you you will get noticed yeah we're kind of in a space here where it's somewhat of a you want a job go out and take it a lot of this stuff is open source our project is entirely open source so please feel free to get involved and contribute and like sam said we definitely are looking to those folks first and yeah like he said as well that was how i joined the team last year where i just basically was doing what sam said this guy in the github repo and participating in it every day and eventually got brought on this is something that's i can really only mainly speak for ethereum.org seen in a lot of the ecosystem as well if you're looking to get involved get started get in discord start talking to people start contributing and then recognize so i encourage everyone to do that if you're interested in getting more involved yeah and i don't add to that too that i got hired in the exact same way of just found the discord thought this is cool started contributing being active and then a couple of months later there was a role came up applied and here we are today so yeah definitely if you're looking to get a role not just ethereum.org but anywhere within the ecosystem and just as paul put just get involved in any way that you can and if you're not sure how to just ask because all of these communities are open sourced and are desperate for contributors to to step up and take things off their plate so if you want to be that person just ask how you can help definitely and i'd say like i'd say one thing at least i've noticed about the ethereum space and a lot of projects and communities here is like oftentimes there is no official job posting but if you find a way to like demonstrate value and and show projects that like hey this thing is useful this thing you didn't even know you needed i think luke on the call is a great example is right like we didn't actually have some person owning the translation program full time and luke just you know hopped into our discord started sharing recommendations suggestions on how to improve the the program from an operational standpoint and like that eventually perked our ears up and like wait maybe we should hire someone to focus on this full time given its you know thousands of contributors around the world really pushing this this project forward so i think a great example of if you identify a place where you can add value there doesn't necessarily need to be an official job posting to apply for and just to add to that a little bit um you don't have to be a developer to join this space and to make an impact and to add some value um the space is growing at a rapid pace and people of all backgrounds are needed so if you've got unique skills if you've got some experience in um yeah anything pretty much like just get involved join discord channels uh start getting involved with the projects and add value in your own way and yeah as paul and joshua and myself are a testament to you will get noticed people notice when you are helping out when you're adding value when you are contributing um so i just wanted to clarify that you don't have to strictly be a developer and a highly technical person to be able to make an impact in this space and to be able to get involved and get a job basically yeah for sure if i may we're coming close to the hour here so we want to try to speed things up um if the others on the team don't mind i want to try to wrap it hit a couple of these questions um yeah particularly we see some stuff about how this kind of broadly touch on those questions about you know how to roll out so it's going to happen after the merge what's being done as far as research and everything um i'm posting a right right now to the eth r&d discord and the community call channel this is something if anybody's curious about kind of more protocol level research and where things are going i would definitely suggest checking that out there's some other sources that we could post like cat herders and the ethereum blog for example these are good ways to stay up to date on what's going on at a broader level uh again just emphasize our team of six we do not you know dictate what's going on with the protocol and we are not necessarily focused day-to-day on researching this stuff but there are teams that are dedicated to this stuff um proof of stake one similarly um hopefully very soon uh and i would i would definitely follow on in the eth r&d discord there yeah um to answer that current estimates are the end of by the end of q2 2022 but we have a page on our website where you can keep up to date um and i've also to add to paul's point about following along with r&d posted a link to tim bico's twitter um every two weeks after the all core devs call he posts an update on a quite succinct update on exactly what is happening with core development of the ethereum protocol so definitely um follow along with that if you're interested yeah and there's another one here i see after eth2 is ethereum complete do you still need to update the website and i'm so long story short uh there it'll never i mean i don't see it being completely complete for a long long time honestly this is a ever-changing industry and things are constantly being researched and learning new new approaches are being taken um as far as do we still need to update the website i would argue yes for quite some time um there is kind of this distant goal of potentially making this somewhat of a mdn or a wikipedia type setup where people can self run the page and say in short this is something where we're going to continue to update the website for all yeah and just to point out our good friend mika wouldn't be very happy with me if i didn't quickly explain that the eth2 branding has been dropped and just that's mainly because it's no longer accurate an accurate representation of what's actually happening um so instead you can think of those upgrades that were formerly known as eth2 as three separate consensus layer upgrades so we had the beacon chain which shipped december of last year um the merge which is when we moved to proof of stake and that should happen early to the middle of next year and then sharding which is estimated just now for 2023 yeah and just to touch on this too there's been a shift in the roadmap over time for any of you who may have been familiar with the phasing now phase zero phase one phase two um that's kind of been phased out if you will in favor of more of a roll-up centric roadmap uh which vitalix talked about in the past but mainly focuses on the fact that we have l2 technology here now such as optimistic roll-ups and zk roll-ups are in the pipeline these things are going to drastically help scale ethereum and are not necessarily uh dependent on proof of stake so those were emphasized right now try to get the scale and going we're going to try to transition to proof of stake you know as soon as possible and in time that layer and sharding that helps to even further expand the scalability of the network so stay in touch yeah and just to answer one question related to that by eric um asks are their objective downsides to adopting a roll-up centric product roadmap for what use cases does central decentralization matter most um just to heart one again about paul's point earlier is that these aren't really the things that we are the experts of probably a question that's better suited for the researchers or the many many unqualified philosophers in the space on twitter um so i point you to the r&d discord for that i know you're already heavily active there but for anyone else who is keen to check that out there's a lot of interesting conversations around things like this happening there um and yeah with that i think we're pretty much at time so i just like to once again like thank everyone for spending this hour with us and taking the time to get an update on what we've been working on and any questions that you've asked thanks again for anyone who's contributed to the website this year or is thinking of doing so and all of our amazing translators as well you um you are all a big part of what makes a ferium dog so special so i just want to call you out once more yes thank you to everyone and for those questions that we didn't get to um apologies if you have these are burning questions feel free to ask in the chat and try to get back to you but thanks everyone for coming huge turnout i love it yeah thanks everyone for getting involved and for joining the call okay we're gonna call it that thanks again thanks everyone we all have a nice rest of your day bye everyone thank you bye bye thank you