 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews In this episode of Mind Pump For about 26 minutes, we do some bullshit We talk about these genetic freaks that we see all over social media like Brad Castleberry He breaks world records every day every single day apparently me too we talk about the genetic variances between individuals like do super super smart people feel like they're just walking around a world full of idiots We talk a lot about we talk about genetic engineering and what we would do if we had the ability to engineer our genetics We would like Justin's calves for example. We talk about Justin's big meeting We can't talk too much about it because it's a secret, but it is big super secret and it is a meeting Yeah, then we talk about it's a meeting then we talk about Adam's recipe for mint chocolate chip Pancakes you should mention that that recipe the for sure recipe because I just kind of blurted out what I thought it was is on the Organify website and then you go to their blogs Oh, and by the way if you get any of their products Just type in the code mine pump and you'll get a massive discount. That's mine pump No space, and then we talk about me and my family's annual tomato canning Thing that we do every year. It's pretty awesome It's a great tradition, and I'm not giving sauce to anybody because nobody helped me fuck every upset with you exactly Then we get into the questions Somebody asked us if we watched the CrossFit games and what we thought about the CrossFit games And do we think those people are the fittest people in the world? No, I brought out the popcorn then we get into What we would take if we could only take three supplements or less, which ones would we choose? Then we answer the question how we built so much confidence because you know we walk around with this We know everything yeah this aura of invincibility. How did we get it? Is it cocky or is it confident probably both? Then finally the final question as we answer the question What is the dumbest piece of fitness equipment that we've ever purchased? 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Yeah, yeah, so we have the winners optimal warrior keto car dusty young okolo 007 and salmon of doubt all of you Quite spawned yeah, all of you are winners So send the name I just read to itunes at mine pump media calm your shirt size your shipping address And we'll get that right out to you Brad Castleberry breaks world records every day for all records mother That's what he says every day every day he breaks world records a good bro. What if he is that strong I? Know everybody's a big weight in something, but he's at 24 our fitness every day doing these weights with a bunch of people Don't you think someone would be able to film him? Bringing fake weights in and stuff. I I agree Oh, so I think I think you might legit be that strong Well, I did see I did see a guy break down like right they did a YouTube on them They showed like how some of his videos are photo-shopped right or edited and they edited more weights on the video But no matter what I think he's still doing like five plates on they like it's not like he's not doing any of it So he's going like he's really doing like 145 and he's pretty 12 plates on I think he's doing like nine and then he puts 10 on there Here's why I think the guy is phenomenal because some of the stuff you can't photoshop like have you seen him sprint Right and jump jump out of the and do a kickflip on a fucking skateboard right. He's kind of a freak He is you could tell by his honestly when you look at he's hella flexible If there's a guy if there's a guy that could do that his he has the build when you look at his stature Yeah, if there's somebody who's lifting that kind of like a video game Yeah, no he really it like his his waist and his shoulders are just broad super wide like super why he looks like he was built to Lift a lot of fucking weight. He looks like a video game avatar Like if you have three choices, you can pick the elf you could pick the wizard or I'll take the warriors Please yeah, I'll take the warrior, please and it's Brad. You know I'm saying It's funny that you see that I'm out though Bradley Martin did like it was like 405 or something like he went from a squat down into Indian Yeah, with 405. Yeah, I was pretty crazy Bradley Martins a freak to I mean though. He's a now he has like I believe a Powerlifting or Olympic lifting background. I think he did that for many years before that. There's some crazy people out there There's this one dude I follow. What's his name Armenian strength? Oh that guy's a fucking I forgot about he's a track athlete in college Or I don't know if he's still in there or not, but there's this kid. He's muscular. He's not massive, but he's Like he's strong like silly strong. You know, I mean have you seen this the little the little black kid That's from either South Africa or from Jamaica one of the other can't remember. Have you seen him? No, what does he look like old it's like an old gym shitty ass way over the like cement blocks and shit No, no, no, I mean, yeah He's in some of those videos But some of his squat videos and some of the weight that he's pushing and pulling is just insane There's a couple there's like four or five guys that I follow that people don't realize is that people like this Like who we're talking about if they never lifted weights They're still strong but strong as fuck. You know, I mean, yeah Like I bet you these guys first one of the gym like I bet you Castleberries like oh, I'm gonna try working out Okay, here's how you do a straw this and he's like alright, and he's like 315. He's like cool Well, remember when we were hanging out with Ben right been back He said the first time he ever got under the bar. He squatted like four plates. Yeah, like the first time Yeah, yeah, the first time he ever squatted like 405 and I think this works Yeah, and I think he said like 495 or something for his first first time ever first time ever dead left again squatting So, you know, it's crazy. So, you know, it's cool about this when I think about this like the differences in genetic ability how Crazy they can be how dramatic they can be and how hard I work to try and be strong or whatever hell, right? Yeah, now think about it this way There's got to be that variance and the reason why it's cool with physical feats is because it's very objective and clear You can lift this much. He can lift that much. It's very clear, right? but think about this now think about the genetic variances with with Mental ability like think about geniuses like how do they see the world and think of things same thing to me? Could you imagine being like one of those people and just you'd be surrounded by idiots all the time? But everybody be so dumb. Well, this is like, oh, this is why I mean a kid that's bored at school all the time You know, he's just like yeah Well, I feel like it's the reason why sometimes these guys come off as kind of an asshole because they just feel like everybody is so stupid You know, it's like they're it's like they're a loof they come across a loof Right, they're just like they're they're playing a game at a whole other level than everybody else It's just not even fun for them to communicate with everybody else. It's just like So beneath me what and when we call them it's true though. We call them weird We call them eccentric we call them nerds, but I think they're so smart that they just don't care about the same shit You know I'm saying like absolutely. I don't know. I don't want to comb my hair. Who cares? I'm trying I'm like contemplating the nature of the universe. Yeah, who gives a shit about my hair We're like you're a fucking god particle man. Yeah, you know I'm saying yeah, we're gonna be done God, I wish you could just well when you when you use the analogy of comparing it to like Really strong genetically gifted people or like athletes that are genetically gifted when you think about that like imagine a you know Pro NFL player like he's not gonna have fun playing football with a bunch of Pop Warner kids Like, you know I'm saying like he's not a regular people. Yeah, like a bunch of regular That's not fun for him like that's not he's not gonna do that Like it's just you don't want to do that and then I think that's how somebody who's like super intelligent Probably feels having like a normal conversation. So take it to the next level They now have we we have the technology to hackers. We have the technology to edit human genes now So with CRISPR. Yeah, so what they're what are they called that by the way? It sounds like a chip sounds yummy Yeah, yeah, I got some CRISPR going on be explain this to me So there's this technology that they that they've been using and they've used it on animals But now they can do it on humans where they can edit genes So the reason the reason why they're using it on or gonna use it on human embryos or they're selling People to why they want to use it on human embryos is to eliminate genetic Diseases so they'll go in and they'll use this technology and say okay Your child is not gonna have all these potential genetic issues and that's how they're gonna sell it But I know for a fact it's gonna go the next level people are gonna want certain heights and certain attributes We're gonna we're gonna create a race of like a bunch of like Stephen Hawking smart Brad Castleberry Bill Brad, you know looking. Yeah, like just Well, that's where I so perfect where I trip out and then we're all gonna look like idiots Yeah, who was crooked nose and who was here in the studio just recently where we were all having this conversation Oh, it was Josh Trent and I was speculating that what if That this is the natural progression and this is what we're where we're supposed to and the rest of us that are resisting it Are are just silly, you know, like this is that's what we are Like we are supposed to evolve to this like why wouldn't you want to download a better program for yourself? Like if you could download, you know, better calves, like why would I not do that? Like fucking download that shit. I could if I could work less at him, dude I put four days a week in them. They fucking look terrible Bullshit like if I could put some software on him And it's genes in there be awesome And fuck you for judging me for wanting to do that. You know, hey, Justin, let me download your program for calves I don't like the one I was born with but I mean I had to work for these. I'll give you my tanning ability. Let's do a trade. All right, you know, that's fair But so what about this, right? So let's say you go in with a girl. You're like, okay This is girl. I want to be with We both want to have a child together and the scientists are like, okay, we're gonna take your genes We're gonna take her genes and we're gonna look at the best Potentials that you guys have together. Like what if that still sucks, you know say like And you're like, ah, you know Here's the best we could do with you guys find somebody else with what you guys are giving us Yeah, so then what's the next level that there is no like they'll take like a super base scaffolding of your genes And then just make up a bunch of shit like, okay We're gonna give your son your future son the ability to hold his breath like a whale You're pathetic and weak. What's gonna happen. What is gonna happen? Did you guys see either I don't sound probably didn't Justin did you see that there was the Hall of flight the hall of flight the hall of flavors the hall of the whole flight We got the awards this year Did you see did you see Lydani and Thomas and get inducted into the Hall of Fame did you watch I didn't watch that you missed that He gave a great speed he gave a great he actually gave a really good speech Not to trust you immediately. He doesn't even know who that is bro. Yeah, obviously an athlete Obviously an athlete Sport hold on. What was that guess this boy hold on. I wasn't like Danny and Thomas in come on. That's fucking basketball He plays basketball on the side On the weekends for his football Did you guys see Usain Bolt run his last run he lost huh? Yeah to a kid Yeah, guys like 20 21 22 now is it because you're saying he retired right after he lost Ah, I think he's going to going to yeah, I didn't want a horrible way to retire I know I didn't go out like that. Well, I think they thought he was still gonna win this one They said if they figured if he could run it under 9 9, I think is what I heard them say that now Is he slower? Is that why the kid won? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? He's slower He's so that kid didn't run as fast as you've seen did when he was yeah Yeah, they finally are catching up to his his his speeds man Just just a few years and it already like when I was walking on the treadmill when They were doing there before the race and so I got to watch all the the lead are running along with them Oh, I tell you what I'm not gonna lie There was a part of me that almost wanted to ride and I you know me I don't run but I would look at Katrina and I was like do you feel like you want to run right now? I kind of want to run right now only oh, it's only 80 air. What is it? What is it? Not 40. How many what is he run? He runs the is he 400 meters? What does he run? I don't know? Yeah, it's like not very far It's not like miles sprint. Yeah, it's not miles. So like I could do that. I can run 400 meters It just doesn't you know, it's funny about like as I get older I'm realizing because I you know I was playing with the kids the other day and I'm like Running and stuff and I never really run and do shit like that. I just feel like fuck. I suck Like this is not this doesn't feel good for you. It doesn't feel comfortable. Yeah, I think I need to start running You know what I want to watch you run. Huh? I want to watch you I feel intimate though the way you said that I feel weird now With a weird voice I want to sit in a chair watch you run. I want to watch you run boy feels really weird Yeah, did you did you ever it will enter you to the Hall of Flamers? Did you ever go through a face how where you ran like did you ever go through a phase? Are you ran when I was doing jiu-jitsu? I would Part of my workouts on the side where I would do I would run like five miles ten miles stuff like that Okay. Yeah, and then there was a short period of time where I was doing uphill sprints Just for fun, but I would never know I usually stand my ground You know I mean so this fight or flight I find my ground Solid to the ground. Yeah, by the way, you're an asshole by the way When you when you fucking pulled me backwards at the band Best was the very end which got cut out you fell like hard. I fell and I did fall on top of you afterwards You know what? It's a it's a hilarious. It's a very terrifying feeling to run backwards off balance Because you don't know what's behind you Give me a chance to catch my footing. I think Taylor said that was the most commented Video he'd ever put up on the on the page. It was course was pretty epic Of course it was what sucks about that is you have to sit around in like you don't know what's gonna happen It's something gonna be terrible right he always has to get back It's gonna be something terrible and I might wait a year I don't know. I like I like the waiting part more than anything. Well, we're about to be we're about to spend a couple nights together Yeah, we're trying to save money Yeah, one bed one. No, she didn't yeah, she's like we're not sharing a bed. Yeah, she's like you guys can you sleep head-to-toe? This is a trap This is gonna be it's gonna be something so terrible though Justin like something like like everyone's gonna be like that's not even funny It's just fucked up like why would you do that to him? Yeah, and I'm gonna laugh Probably get I'm missing this one like like a brick to the face Something terrible. Hmm. What time is your meeting? Justin yours is at Tuesday at what time nine nine a.m. Oh in the morning Mm-hmm, that's early nine. Well, they apparently that's how they roll Are you are you like power pointing it and everything or what are you doing? They'll be power point the but mainly it's just demonstration and It's conversation. So they just wanted to peer into You know like my philosophy and and they want to like a good they want time to basically use it and Play around so you can't we can't say much, but you have a you got a big presentation. It's all we can say Yeah, yeah, thank you for not But it is a big deal and it's it's exciting. So yeah, are you nervous? Yeah, um, you know what? I thought I would be but I'm like, dude I know this thing like backwards and forwards and I'm just I'm excited to just like put it in people's hands and let Them try it out and give me feedback and kind of feed off of that. Yeah, you have your elevator pitch Yeah, dude. I got I got all day. Yeah all day. I'm just like I'm like overly confident to where It's like I should probably calm down and just try and relax. You know what I mean? Yeah, you feel fired up. Yeah, that's the best feel fine I've been waiting for this dude like this is the kind of shit that I live for That is the best feeling when you and it's such a difference when you're doing so when you're going into something because I've experienced both I don't know if you guys have done this, but I've experienced both where I'm gonna do I'm about to do an event or do something that's important or whatever And I'm really nervous and stressed out about it And I just I just perform shit because I feel horrible Yeah, and I've also been on the other end where I've walked into a situation and I'm literally like Like if it was a battle I'd be in the I'd be in the front running headfirst, you know ready to fucking berserk Yeah, like I've been in both situations What a difference it makes in how effective you are. Have you guys ever experienced both of those? Yeah, the other end of those. Yeah, I know I can't think about top of my head, but I'm sure I have for sure Yeah, I felt so my two examples I can think of is my very first jujitsu tournament I was so like nervous so I Just was I was an adult competing. I hadn't competed since I was a kid I knew people that I that we're gonna watch me. We're gonna be there and I didn't want to lose in front of them and I was just so Nervous going into it that I exhausted myself even before the match started and I was terror I performed terribly and where you just it's like I'm like you're like afterwards like God I totally suck, you know what I did and then the other time I can think of Where I went into something feeling like incredible was the very first day. I ran my first gym As a 19 year old kid Walking in knowing that the staff was gonna meet there, you know meet me for the first time And I was gonna give my first all-staff meeting and I went in there like Like a like if like a fucking bad out of hell like I went in there like it was on yeah, and it was it was on I gave that meeting and everybody came in with the energy. Oh, I just felt like yeah And that's how I feel right now for what hell yeah me and Adam are about to do I feel I feel the same for you guys I feel calm and aggressive at the same time. I think I think sports have always There's sports help train that in me, right? I think that You know when you when you when you put the practice in right when you practice and you practice at your craft And then it comes game time and you perform the best that you could perform That's all you can ask for right like you can't I can't expect to Win every time you can't expect to beat the other guy. You have no idea how much they prepared or how much better they are than you I think that you you learn to be okay with whatever the outcome is as long as you Performed at your best and when you learn to focus on that. I think it really it always unfolds nicely, right? Like it's I feel like when I go into like what we're about to go into the Justin's about to go into It's like all the years all the things that we've been doing that's practice, you know That's everything we've been doing is is leading up to moments like this You just got to go do you you know go do you and do the do the best you you possibly can and I think Where most people, you know Get hung up is they get nervous and scared and that they're going to screw up And I think that you know at one point I don't remember where this happened in my life But I stopped I stopped worrying about that like I think I think after you've had enough embarrassing moments in your life And you realize well that ain't that big of a deal. What's interesting? Yeah I feel like this podcast itself has really helped to kind of Like numb a lot of those feelings out for me Like, you know, whether I'm gonna screw up or say something wrong or do like I could just I could just sit here and talk You know, and it's fine. Like there's a there's time enough for me to kind of work my way through it and Just like you said with the sports Have really kind of prepared me for that as well like if I get too hyped I know ahead of time like okay, you know, I feel my energies up too high to where I'm just gonna I'm gonna come in too fast and and I need to just kind of calm myself and get my heart rate down and So a lot of that like depends on like how I wake up Am I gonna come in? I feel like that's probably gonna be more of the cases Like I'll probably be a little bit too hyped to where I'm just gonna okay Dude chill like we're just having a conversation and let's take it from there You know what you need to do you need to try my green pancakes is what you need. Okay, sir Oh You guys didn't see those I saw it. Oh yeah, I'll tell you I'll tell you we made some green waffles, but go ahead Yeah, no, so what I saw what I saw them on your story So I made the so I've been going since we've signed with organ if I've been going through and Trying out all their different recipes, right and I found these mint chocolate chip pancakes fucking What do you what do you use? It's hardly anything. It's really like it's a and I have the recipes on their blog So I'm probably gonna screw it up, but I think it's four egg whites one whole egg coconut oil for the pan two scoops of the Organified protein powder and then two scoops of the the green the green juice So we wish that all up. Yeah, and then oh then like a handful of I think we use like 15 or 20 chocolate dark chocolate chip pieces and The first we did the first batch Katrina's like well, let's not do chocolate chips. Maybe it doesn't need chocolate chips I'm like, okay Let's just try without it and it was okay without it But because the green juice has that really good mint flavor. Oh it goes with the chocolate So then so then the second batch we have the chocolate is I'm like, oh no You have to put a couple of chocolate chips in there because the then it makes these green mint pancakes With the chocolate chips and you only need a couple in there You don't even need that many chocolate chips in there just enough that every other bite or so you get a little chocolate chip surprise I'm gonna have to try it dude We made some for my son because he we usually sneak like we blend up like like spinach or kale or whatever And we try and mix it in with waffle batter because he just he loves waffles and you know and he's like super carb head You know and so we're like we're trying to like infuse like nutrients and there's much as we can and so Yeah, so we did that with the Organified the green juice and we use the powder and then also added in avocado and Like some flax seed avocado inside of waffle, bro really bomb. Well. Yeah. Yeah. Have you had a lot of like that texture? Yep, have you have an autoclut? Have you had a smoothie with avocado? Yeah. Yeah. I mean it makes it so smooth Yeah, and he didn't even use syrup. He didn't want syrup. Oh really yeah Just butter and and I was like oh dude is awesome cuz you just you know, it was just you know sweet enough for him So I have yet to do any of these recipes. I want to try one of these lazy, bro Well, you were making tomatoes all weekend. Oh, yeah, I saw that dude. You guys like that You guys get down, huh? Yeah, so it's a making some sauce. It is a family It's not just a family tradition. It's a cultural thing, but we get together Why aren't you hooking us up and what cuz you guys weren't there helping? You have to help You can eat over if you want but every once a year invited cuz you we once a year We get together and we go by a shit ton of tomatoes Then we bring them over and then there's this whole like I mean Henry Ford would be proud There's this whole I can like like assembly line where I wear hairnets where we wash the tomatoes We cut the tomatoes we cook them a little bit Then we put them through this machine that spits out the seeds in the skin and it makes the sauce Then we take the sauce and then we put them in the jars and you put Like my mom puts like a basil leaf and some other stuff in there We jar on then we boil the jars which seals them and then we store them So then and we used to do a lot more by the way, but my we did over 400 jars So and it's it's an it's a huge Like it's a huge production. It takes you guys two days. It looks like when I was a kid we used to do it at my grandma's house and It was my so my grandparents house and it was all of her kids so all my aunts and uncle who has all the trees the tomatoes Yeah, oh we go we go we go get them we go to We used to go pick them So we'd go to the fields and we find fields of tomatoes and we'd ask the farmers if they let us pick them and then we pick Um what you just they give them to you for free No, no, no we pay for them But we get a really good price because we direct go directly there and we'll pick them ourselves or now We don't necessarily pick them now. We buy boxes of them Okay, but back then it was obviously organic. Yeah, it was my uncle My two aunts my mom and all of our kids, you know all their kids and all of our kids. So it was like 50 people at my grandma's house and we would literally buy I'm not exaggerating now Pickup trucks of tomatoes full of tomatoes and we drive them over and then everybody had a job So what the kids jobs were the kids were the tomato washers And what we would do is we'd have these huge Like buckets like those big like storage buckets or whatever and we fill them up with water And we'd have like five of them and we would transfer them into cleaner and cleaner water So we'd wash them in this one wash them in that one move all the way down And at the last one then it was usually the men who would cut them and bring them into the garage And then the women were doing all the Jarring and the smashing and whatever and then sometimes the kids would also push the tomatoes down into the machine To get the it's this huge ordeal whole assembly line But my favorite part of it is first off fresh sauce. There's nothing like in the world and my girlfriend Loved it also, but she also made the observation that perhaps I have this Connection to it. You know what I mean because I've been doing it since I was a child So that may be why I have such I love it so much But we'd make the fresh sauce and no joke like me and my dad will get a mug and we'll drink some sauce Just drink of the sauce drink some fucking stuff. You know what it reminds me I dated this girl as an Italian girl that they did the same thing but with olives Yeah, that's all of that stuff right so some families get together and they'll draw olives together It's like a huge thing like and the olives will you have to go through? You have to do something to them though before because you can't just pick wild olives and jar them up You have to do something. There's a whole process. Yeah, there is I forget what it was I know I know somebody on ours some smarty pants on the form will let me know But then so the cool thing is what we used to do at my grandma's house is while we were doing all this Uh, my grandma or someone would make fresh pasta. Have you guys ever had fresh pasta? No, I'm yet to the different There's a big difference. There's a big difference between fresh pasta and pasta. Of course So then my grandma would make fresh pasta. So at the end of the sauce making thing We would have fresh pasta with fresh pasta sauce and it was Fucking heaven, dude. I'm getting emotional right now. Okay Tug bring on the saucy bird bring on the saucy bird, please This clause brought to you by organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout Our first question is from shan trimble Did you guys watch the crossfit games? Did I watch the cross? Why do we do that fucking a I watch the cross the games Yeah, what's your thoughts on it? And do you think they are truly the fittest in the world? And if not, who is did either you guys watch I watched two seconds a little bit of it I was talking to joy from The girls gone wad podcast because they were there and she was telling me how awesome it was But no, I didn't watch it. I've watched them before though. So I know I watched it You watched the whole thing. I did I watched it and I watched I was just I was crossfitting it up this weekend I watched the uh, the newest uh, fittest in the world video And then I also watched the games Um, what a brilliant tagline that came up with what's that the fittest in the world That's smart marketing. It's very smart marketing and I I would be willing to bet Or or debate that they are I I you know, I don't know I don't know They're when you talk about well running like hands down. There's somebody who The guy who won all of it right matt frazier. There's somebody who can out dead lift him and out squat him 100 percent There's somebody who can out row him in the world for a hundred percent. He's not the best at any one category But you know, if your definition of fittest in the world is the ability to Run maybe uh, 14 miles then throw a softball and climb up a rope and then row across a Did they throw a softball in here? No, not this year. Okay, but I you know what I mean though, right like You know, if that if you are if we are going to do some leave a basket We gotta give a haircut. You gotta do a rubis cube Real quick Right. So I mean the the stuff they come up with is I mean you can't just be I I can't imagine any other at like I can't imagine the most elite football player The most elite basketball player the most elite powerlifter the most elite olympic lifter the most elite gymnast I can't imagine any of those right the top of their class coming to the games and beating any of the crossfit games guys and girls at At this this so-called sport Uh and and you it takes strength it takes endurance and stamina I I you know, I don't know I I can't think of an athlete off the top of my head that I would say I think that You know couldn't take them although let's be honest again. It's specialized right that's why I you can't I mean how can you say Fittest in the world at what they are definitely the fittest that the world at crossfit for sure That's the crossfit games. Mm-hmm, but would they be the fittest at the world at crossfit? Yeah, would they be the fittest at the world at you know, I don't know arm wrestling powerlifting long distance running rest I mean no The you know, it's a it's a very smart Tagline it's a very smart marketing But fittest it's such a It's it's such a speculative thing. It's not objective. Yeah, it's specific to what what you're doing It's like saying i'm the healthiest man in the world Right that what like, you know, you you had the least disease. I mean, what do you you know, what do you talk about? I think it's Uh, I feel phenomenal what they do. I think it's truly phenomenal. I think the caliber of athlete that they have now versus 10 years ago is is light years I mean the people now are world-class athletes. It wasn't like that 10 You know and what I mean by that is I feel like they could get in a swim in a pool run on a track lift lift a barbell With some of the best not the I don't think they could beat The best in any of those single categories, right? Like if someone is a swimmer like none of those guys are me beating Michael Phelps None of them, right? None of them are gonna outrun Usain Bolt Do you think do you think they would be even good enough to compete at the collegiate level at those individual events? I don't know. No, I don't I don't think even at that level. I know I'm talking about the average person Yeah, I think what they've done very very well is they're very good at competing at CrossFit, which is Uh, just a combination of different events and it's not just a combination of events But it's also being able to do them In succession in a particular order, you know, it's definitely a very specialized skill. I mean they have to train Very specifically to be able to do what they do, but can I endure punishment? Yeah, that's it. Well the follow-up to the question is, you know, if not then who is and again, I think well I think that like if you're gonna if you're gonna say they're not you can't say anybody else is right That's how I feel right if you can't say they are at CrossFit. I don't see anybody beating them at CrossFit for sure But do I think that you know what I mean to cathlete At the the cathalon. No, and that's a lot of different events too, right? Um, do I think they could beat uh, ninja warriors? Yeah at competing at that kind of stuff I don't think so. Yeah, maybe not but uh, I'll tell you what though It's fascinating to watch the growth of of the sport of CrossFit. I mean It was I mean a lot of people this was televised. It was a lot of people watched this It's brilliant. Oh, it's but ever since they signed with Reebok. It's been insane, man And it was they did a little throwback To aromas where this all started, which we have a katrina's family has a house up in aromas So it's not far from where she's at to where all this started They actually threw in some the the show the most recent video or whatever Uh showed a bunch of clips of like some of the original parking lot like I was saying before I told you Workout those competitions or whatever. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean I And I watched the way that they prepped this I just it makes me chuckle like how they put together It's like literally it's like what is going to destroy these guys and girls like that's that's the thought I just can see people That's the thought organizing it. It is It's like to fucking kill. Okay, like they just did this this one most It's a 7k run and then you come back and then you do what they call jacob's ladder So it's like a a progression of deadlifts like starting at like 300 350 400 I've seen that with the the power cleans like they had to clean Like a ladder of clean Fuck me. Oh And then they have to go up and wait like five pound increment or 10 pound increments of all the of all the sports that Involve a barbell, you know, like like all the strength sports. I guess you could say crossfit By far is the most spectator friendly. It just is they look the best Like olympic lifters don't always look good power lifters definitely don't always look good. It is more. Yeah exciting It's exciting because that's why it's kicking ass, dude And they look good and the women compete in sports bras and the dudes take their shirt off And they're all they all look like fucking they're all ripped. They all look incredible What I really appreciate about crossfit More than anything is uh, the way it shows that women can be very strong And athletic and it's changed the perception of what uh fit woman should look like it's done it Single-handedly better than any other sport I can think of because these women are muscular Well, what I'm very musky what I'm really interested to see is because it hasn't been around been around very long Is what happens with a lot of these athletes 10 years down the road? Are we going to see similar things like we see with nfl football players and things like that? I think because people Like speak of them as the fittest in the world and to me if i'm going to categorize somebody as the fittest in the world I'm thinking of somebody who's been fit for a very long time and maintained health and longevity, right? Oh, it's too extreme for that. Exactly. It's way you're you can't you can't possibly maintain this Uh type of training your entire life So I wonder if you're going to get a lot of people burnt out after five years eight years 10 years of competing at the sport Just like you see nfl players and and people that play these sports that are really really tough on the body Day in and day out So that and and wondering if those people crash because they don't have another speed, right? They've trained themselves for the last 10 years, which is what we all know as trainers, right? So this is what I see wrong with it still and this is the the the fear that I have for the average Jane or joe that just want to get in and actually do crossfit is Going in with that this man this idea that okay This is going to be the way I keep myself in shape going forward because I like it so much, right? Like oh, I love I love I love crossfit. I love doing it. I love the community. It's a life Like what they say it's a lifestyle It's all these things right and they sell you on this idea that it's a great way to exercise and train And it really is not it's an incredible sport. It's a fucking awesome sport. It's really cool to watch And I think a lot of people are signing up to it thinking that it's a great way to get in shape And it's really not you're actually teaching yourself really bad habits to get in shape because training at that level At that high intensity if you your body's an adaptation machine It will eventually get adapted to Training this intense and this hard and then where do you go from there? How long can you maintain that? Well, you'll end up seeing is similar to what you see with Physique bodybuilder and bikini competitors who compete over and over again Is you see this burnout where you know, they call it the you know, hpa dysfunction, you know with hormone dysfunction or desensitization to The stress or you know hormone cortisol to where all of a sudden they're feeling Always fatigued always inflamed. I used to be able to get so lean and now I can't my body doesn't seem to respond the way it used to Um, I don't recover like I used to and you kind of gets, you know down this this horrible cycle This horrible path where the only way to reverse out of it is their worst nightmare which is You have to do nothing now for three months like you have to let your body rest recover Allow your your your receptors of some of these stress hormones to Upregulate allow your body to balance itself out and you imagine telling I know because I've had to work with people like this Where you tell them well, here's what you're gonna have to do. We're gonna have to spend the next year taking it easy like that's like A nightmare for these people they can't imagine having well Especially if they've put on some weight and they've fallen on a shade and they're gonna have to even more And and when they they connect being in the best shape in their lives Which is the same thing that what happens when we get athletes, right? So when I get a retired NFL NBA pro athlete, you know 20 years down the road they're in their late 40s early 50s And they're they've put on a bunch of fat and they want to get in shape They are the hardest fucking clients to to talk to because They cannot get out of their sport mentality. They just they all they want to crush the weights and and they only know You know balls to the wall type of training and it is so hard to teach them and even with diet all they know is Hardcore dieting hardcore dieting or eating a shit ton of food because that's what I did when I was swimming in college and You know, it was not a problem. It's a very difficult position to be in but There's definitely we've like we know we've talked to people Who are influencer? Influencers in crossfit and there's definitely a shift going on where people are being smarter about the training It's just when you see the games and you're the average person you think I want to work out So I can be like these people That is not a way to be, you know, healthy and fit long term not only that but very few people can even do it Anyway, so yeah not the average person. It's like, you know, it gets on my nerves these like Couch to you know couch to marathon, you know Do our thing and we'll take you from the couch to be able to complete a marathon or like What are you doing to your body? Just because you can doesn't mean you should right right and it doesn't always end up The way you want I have I was actually at a baby shower Over the weekend and I ran into a buddy who I hadn't seen in a long time And he's like, oh man. What's up salad goes? Hey, I just started signed up at this crossfit gym Up by where I live he lives up in san francisco And so I'm asking me how's it going or whatever and he goes, you know, he goes I can't do more than once or twice a week and I said why I thought he was talking about a schedule And he's like I just I don't want to I hurt so bad and I can't move And he goes I just feel terrible for two days He goes, but I'm going to give myself some time and then maybe I'll be able to bring it up and I told him I said, okay, I said That's not a good sign That you're not able to do anything. You should be able to do something Almost every day and you're over applying intensity and he's like, well, I'm going really light So well, you're not going light enough. You're not going easy enough It's obviously too much for your body and I'm trying I was explaining to him What's happening with his body? But it's very difficult to talk to people about this because they have this Because I could already see in his face like oh, I can handle it like I'm just going to go We're always going to fight this. Yeah, you know, I mean and I think that's This is always going to exist, you know, whether it's crossfit or some other form people always Like seem to have this like memory of like when they used to Be young and they played sports and and that was the best shape of their life And so they they try and like replicate that and what they did in their training what they did every single day and it was like super Super like rigorous and high intense and like I used to be able to bench this much So then they try and do that and then they you know, they tear their bicep and they tear their pec and You know, and it's just like it's this this operating system. That's it's hardwired and into You know into these people and it's it's a tough thing to kick man But that's why we're here. We're trying to help you kind of kick that That mentality out is not effective long term We just had somebody on the forum that posted that you know, and I believe it said You know, I know a lot of people on here don't like crossfit, but I'm really considering You know trying it out and doing it this and that and I wrote under there like go for it do it And I know Sal wrote under there like do it with the man with the idea that it's a sport, right? And Here's the thing like I think that I would never tell somebody who said like hey, I think I'm thinking about going to play basketball And I would never tell you don't do it like who am I to tell you don't go play ball Like if you want to go play basketball go play basketball. Just understand it's fucking basketball It's it's all about train for basketball Right, that's like the like the training for crossfit like there needs to be training for it Crossfit is not the training. No, it's all about the mentality. I'll give you an example Okay, so running is a perfect example of this because everybody says I want to lose weight. I'm going to go run This is very common with the average person two reasons why one it's easy Because you could just go run easy in the sense that it's an easy like simple, right? Oh, I just go outside and run no big deal Yeah And two because initially you'll see results because you're burning calories Nobody goes out and says to themselves I'm going to learn how to run and I'm going to learn how to run well It's all about I'm going to run till fatigue That's the only metric people use when they run and this is why running is the number one Cause of injury in people of all of all athletic endeavors Nothing causes more problems and more issues in people than running and it's not because necessarily running is bad It's because people are approaching running with the mentality that they're going to run To fatigue. That's the metric. It's not about running. Well, we're going to ignore all the feedback that your body's giving you In fact, you're just going to try and get through it. Well, they're supposed to ignore it. That's what they're telling themselves I'm running to fatigue. So I it's a it's a battle of attrition. I'm ignoring all these things So if I go to play basketball With that same mentality, I'm going to go play basketball to fatigue I'm not going to learn how to shoot well. I'm not going to learn how to dribble well I'm not going to learn good technique and movement. I'm not going to learn basketball rules I'm just going to go play basketball till I can fucking not move anymore How well do you think I'm going to play basketball and how uh, how uh, how higher my odds of getting injured Crossfit is the same thing. Yeah, if you approach crossfit like a sport, it can be a fantastic workout It can be an amazing workout But if you approach it with the sport mentality like I need to learn how to do crossfit well Right, you will not go in with the fatigue mentality Which is like I said with running where you're going in and your and your metric for your workout is Endure endure and pain and pain and then you cause problems That's all it is and it's honest to god if you go into it thinking I'm going to go sign up for crossfit I'm going to try this I'm going to go as crossfit box and do these workouts and I'm going to learn crossfit as well as I can We'll start with running you'll be well because oh my god There's so many variables in crossfit that are so many skills that you need to master going into that good luck It'll take you a while well, but that's okay forever You drew the the parallel with bodybuilding which was the same thing that when I got into competing I trained for a year of Getting myself ready before I ever even consider getting on stage and a lot of that getting ready Was sculpting a physique dialing in a diet Understand it because you're trying to peak for a show like I had it's there There's the sport of it is You have to get to this extremely low unhealthy body fat percentage and then present yourself on stage on a certain time on a certain date right like so There's definitely a strategy to that and it wasn't like I just signed myself up and said hey, I'm gonna go do this Like I'm entering in a world. I know and that's an area where I think I I'm I'm pretty well versed in nutrition I'm pretty well versed in program design and I still took the time to train that way It's the same any extreme any extreme endeavor Can bring out the worst in you, but it can also bring out the best. I mean we were just uh last week we were meeting with a another bikini competitor and I'm hearing her talk about how Before her competition I could barely walk 10 feet before I had to sit down. I feel terrible It was so horrible, but she's saying it with a smile as if it's this thing to brag about But I showed up with 2% body fat and I'll shred it and it's it that there's a good part to that in the sense that you're testing yourself and you're learning what you're made of and everything else becomes easy Afterwards, but there's also this potential bad part where you're doing damage to your body You can potentially develop this horrible relationship with activity or diet or whatever This can happen with crossfit. This is gonna happen with marathon running This can happen with anything that is pushing you to this extreme level if you go into it With the right mentality you'll succeed and you'll be okay in life if you don't You can run into some problems quick commercial break you guys We keep getting asked all the time. How can I support the mine pump family? 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Yeah, has it been pretty traumatic? I wouldn't say traumatic, but it's a you know, there's definitely stuff that I've I've put together with the with the diet and my psoriasis so Uh, when when I'm staying away from uh, any sort of gluten so breads pasta stuff like that I noticed that it does suppress it I do know when I'm getting a good amount of vitamin D Whether it be naturally through the sun or I'm supplementing it. It also suppresses it and it's kind of funny They they each It'll never go away like with psoriasis. It doesn't get eliminated, right? It's not eczema can go away Psoriasis is forever with you. You know, that's what they say. Yeah, you're right. You're right Maybe we I mean I would love for them to Prove the other way But as of now they believe that psoriasis is not curable that it's something that once you have it you have it I think they say that because uh, there's a lot of things that we We can't solve with with western medicine And the odds are very poor. So they'll say it's not curable But there are cases of spontaneous remission of some of the most insane shit like there's cases of people with Stage four, you know, pancreatic cancer with, you know, they're like, oh, you're not going to make it for You know, maybe two months two months left and then Something happens and it's gone. There's actually cases of they're not they're definitely not common. They're very rare So it's very interesting to me You know when I when when I hear doctors say that, you know, I mean that I think they're just setting people up like Okay, don't get your hopes up because I would I would probably go with those or arguably now It's pretty funny ever since we've been uh I've been using the green the green juice. I actually feel really good just because it's hard for me to get my My vegetables in every single day So what do you notice from the green juice because I just started just overall never use the green just overall energy Do you really just overall energy? I just feel good like I tend to You know, I'm pretty normal. I think where I have these these dips of energy when Throughout the day and it's normally when I'm not consuming enough or getting enough nutrients. I'll feel kind of weak and tired Uh, it keeps me pretty vibrant and consistent throughout the day. Interesting. So, yeah Do you notice any changes to your like like gut health when you take it? No, I I mean like you I don't have a lot of gut issues So I don't I don't notice like my my stool is pretty consistent. I don't I don't have any major stomach issues that bother me digestive like stuff Like that's definitely your wheelhouse. I've been taking the I've been messing with the green Drink and that's I'm not normally a fan of that kind of stuff. I really don't I'm not a don't ever supplement That's that kind of stuff But I started using it and I think I'm noticing some beneficial some benefits to my gut health So I wonder if I'm feeding the right bacteria. I got to talk to dr. Roussio And see what he says about that for me It's going to be One of them's going to be specific, which is a probiotic I just can't do without A good quality probiotic At the moment I can go off of it for a little while But then I need to reintroduce it and it's just your you know, basic lactobacillus You know, bifidotype, you know bacteria the organifi one is great. I've used that one now and I like it The one I've used before was ultimate flora, which is another brand. That's really good But if I take those Semi regularly I get good I feel good my my gut is healthy. I feel good. My digestion is good The second supplement that I think I would use is creatine Not that I use it all the time consistently But because creatine is one of the only ones that I notice a benefit from In terms of my training, I can tell if I'm off of it or if I'm on it I can see that I'm stronger and there are some studies now showing that there may be some long term health benefits to taking creatine Although I'm not going to quite make that claim yet, but there are a couple studies that say It's good for the heart and it may be good for Brain health long term And then third supplement, that's a tough one Probably a protein powder I don't use a protein powder very regularly But if I do make a smoothie or I do blend something I've done it with coffee, which is actually pretty good where I'll blend Uh the protein with coffee and then throw some coconut oil in there And that's really fucking delicious before a workout. That's pretty much it but the probiotic For me, uh is the one that I if I had to take just one That one would be the one I wouldn't want to give up Yeah Pretty pretty similar for me like a creatine has always been one that you know, I come back to Back and forth with And then like you said the probiotic is something I tend to Use more just just every now and then when I feel like my gut needs You know need some some, you know good influential bacteria in there Um and so for that, um, I also like Um ashwagandha you kind of got me onto that. Um, have you been taking it? Yeah. How do you think? How do you feel on it? I feel great. Yeah, I feel like um Uh, I've been using it more to like kind of deal with because as of late like with my wife as well I've been really kind of stressed out and overly, um, you know Dealing with that and so um it's been it seems to be helping with that somewhat so And I noticed you know in the green juice that's in there as well. So we started kind of um I just started trying that over the weekend and really like it. Um, so I'm gonna I'm gonna dive into that a bit further But um, yeah Pretty much those three like protein powder for me Um pretty inconsistently I'll use Um, but when I I do Uh train when I when I get on my intense sort of training protocol, which you know, I I tend to undulate Um, that's something that will show up quite a bit Yeah, I for me mainly I I have a lot of supplements at home But I use them all depending on right. That's why it was hard to pick like three because I'm like Yeah, kind of I don't really take anything super consistent Like I said the probiotics the one that I have I probably take the most consistent I use I use protein the most consistent only for that's that how many days a week would you say you use protein powder? Four okay. Yeah four at least that's pretty consistent Yeah, I would say at least at least a four on a normal week as high as every day So I have a question for you because you've always used way You've always used weight as long as I've known you and now I'm using pee protein now using the plan Well, it's got up more than that. It's got other it's got a blend, but it's a it's a vegan protein Right, right. There's no there's no dairy. No animal Is there a do you notice any difference at all in how you feel between the two? I've I've gone through one jug so far and So far I love it. I haven't gone back to way and I actually just bought some way to make that comparison So I'd like to see it's funny that you it's funny that you asked that because I felt great and I'm for sure I'm somebody who does not like to like speculate on like supplements and be like Oh, yeah, it makes me feel this way for sure until I really start to like compare and contrast Let's go back and forth. Right. And so and I've been consistent and tracking. I'm on everything right now So this is a time for me to do this. I've gone through Uh a jug and a half now of the Organifi stuff really really love it Um, I believe I do feel better on it I do believe that uh when I'm on the way that I hold water from it It seems like I'm or I get it's still organic, right? You're still doing the organic way naturally No, no, this is like when I this is like my old like optimum nutrition way So that's what I want to compare because I would also like to see because that was my favorite brand for years I used optimum nutrition way and I want to just compare and see How I feel and so I have both of them now and I was just about to start kind of playing with that I wanted to finish this next jug and then I'm going to implement it because I'd like to see you Since you because I can't have way So it's not like I can I can I know the difference because I know if I drink way I'll shit myself But if you did I'd like to see you do way that's organic and not artificially flavored And compare that to the plant protein because then you could isolate Oh, it's the way, you know, I mean because maybe it's the sucralose because I know optimum nutrition Uses sucralose to uh to flavor their stuff and sucralose sucralose is not good for your gut flora for sure We know that it kills like 50 of the beneficial bacteria in particular So it'd be interesting to see if you did organic non artificially flavored way Because way there's no problem with way. It's not an issue. Way is actually a good protein I have some whole foods Way that's that I could use but I I wanted to do optimum nutrition because I did it for so many years I just want to see yeah, I want to see like if I was What I've done to yeah, I do like that's just kind of how my brain works Right, I know that probably the route that you're thinking would probably be better for me trying to narrow down Is it the way that's making me feel that way or not where I'm more concerned How much I was fucking myself up by taking that because I used to live off of those. I mean, I was going through that big 73 serving jug easily every month and some so I so Which gives you was like tell you I'm doing two shakes. So my cousins a long time ago They don't have a daring intolerance necessarily, but they do the whey protein And they were joking about how they'd get the protein farts, which is this is super common in our in our world People will talk about all the time like oh, oh, I just had a shake and that's why my farts smell right Not realizing that's probably a bad sign. Yeah So my cousin was we actually hanging out and he farted and it fucking cleared the room And I was making fun of him He's like, oh it's because I had a protein shake and so I'm like dude. You should try A plant-based one. This was before we worked organified. I don't remember the brand we went through It might have been warrior I'm not sure but he switched to plant-based one and he never had a problem again With the protein farts. So I'm interested to see if there's A difference because because dairy in general is a super common intolerance for people not for everybody It's just one of the one of the top. Yeah one. So I'd be interested to see if what happens Adam those protein farts Next up is jessica may one two three one. How did you guys build confidence? Loaded like in general That's it. Uh, can you how about this? Can you guys remember when you were the your most Unconfident like when were you the most self-conscious? You know like junior high probably right where you're feeling. Oh my god. Just yeah, because well because so many things are happening then You're just like your voice is changing You're trying to talk to girls and oh man. Well, it was scary You know what this this kind of reminds me of The in this this could be touching the third rail bit here with the the whole bullying topic, right? I I definitely was picked on as a kid. I mean I had crooked teeth. That was a poor kid I'd so I had like knockoff clothes like Did you get beat up or just picked? I know I've no I've been I've been I was jumped as a kid when I was I was here with fifth grade fifth grade I got I got beat up by older older classmen me and a friend of mine We were jumped in the classroom So I was definitely bullied bullied enough to where my dad had to come around the school and Bullied enough to where in eighth grade. I was pulled out and homeschooled for a year So I I definitely had thrown in a dumpster. All that shit's happened to me So I like I gave right that counts as like really legitimate. That's yeah, that's bad, dude Right, right. So and you know what bully too, dude. I yeah, so I went through all of that and you know what like I built a lot of character in me man. It made me uh, it definitely I think it was tough as a kid I remember going through it enough to where like I I remember getting in fights all the time when I was in eighth grade You know and I remember telling my mom like I don't want to go to school here anymore And I didn't have and she was like well it was either homeschool or go to school there and I said, okay Well, take me out. I want to homeschool. I fucking hate these kids And so I remember I remember that um But I also remember too like it like it it definitely built some thick skin on me And and as I got older I realized like that like These kids were the reason why they were picking on me the reason why the these people were Attacking me was their own insecurities and their own issues and once I once I how long did it take you to realize that? I don't I I'm trying to remember right now as we're talking about this Like if there was a moment that that happened because while it's happening It's I mean I experienced not to that extent, but I experienced similar. It's when you're going through it's terrible Yeah, right. Yeah, when I feel horrible right when I was going through it It was it was awful and I cried and all that stuff happened, right? But at one point I I had put that together and I don't and I definitely I wish I said it could say that was my mom Or my dad that told me that and said that and then it sunk in but it wasn't that it was something else and When it did and I realized that it really like for the rest of my life going forward It was like, oh my god This is all like I then I could see also I could see through everything like People I would be in circles and I would hear someone like calling someone name and like inside I'll be like, oh my god, like That kid's so insecure about his own issues that he's got to make fun of that kid's shoes But that's really because he's insecure. It's not because that kid's a dork for wearing those shoes It's because that kid's got more issues going on time and I once I started to realize that Uh, it built confidence in me like and then then I then I began to own who I was and like that I was different that I dressed different that fuck it that I had crooked teeth Fuck it that I had a car that was all fucked up and had to drive to school I didn't I started to build this Confidence of you know what it's who I am It's who I am and I'm proud of who I am and I'm not going to change Myself for anybody else And I and I really blossomed into that confident kid in high school. So it wasn't until high school So I got bullied all through elementary and junior high school And and there was things that led up to that like I remember in junior high part of why I got bullied was I I moved to Colorado And I was uh, so I was darker than what I am now So I was like right now. I'm like super light when I was a younger kid I was in the sun all the time. So I was dark complexed. So I looked I looked more Uh, Hispanic when I was younger So and then I moved to school, Colorado where all white kids and so I was teased And I was you know, all kinds of racial slurs and picked on and fights and all that stuff like that And I also was a really good basketball player and the most popular kid in school Was the point guard and I took his starting position So imagine this kid comes in on the new kid. I take his starting position He's the most popular kid. So he made my life miserable on campus So, you know in basketball court was my only outlet like playing ball was my only out In fact, I played the season before give him a shout out you fucking loser Eat a dick So, um Well, I was aggressive, but you know, I I see people and it reminds me of you know I remember when Lane was on the show and he shared like his bully story Right and some people never grow out of it like they get bullied and they forever had this traumatizing right It was so traumatizing for someone like him I could see the chip that he carries on his shoulder even as a grown-ass man If you if you carry it with you as an adult, they're still bullying you right that I remember reaching that point understanding that Right, right, right. Exactly. I agree. It's like you're still giving your power away And I think that's where part of this confidence building comes from is you realize that When you're insecure when you're fearful when you allow those people to make you feel that way You're giving your power away and the the best way that you can gain power and gain confidence Is to just not allow it to affect you and one of the best ways that I learned to do that Was to realize that those people that were doing those things that were making me feel insecure or making me that way They had the biggest issues out of all of them and then I started to feel sorry for those people Then I realized like oh this poor loser like I'm I'm I'm sad because I have fucking crooked teeth like This kid like literally like his parents like don't love him like And I'm like I started to put that stuff together and that built a lot of confidence and then come high school time Like I was me man. I like I was totally confident in who I was and I remember like I said a being Having like I didn't I had I didn't get my braces until I was out of high school And my front two teeth were literally like turned in I was skinny as rails I was six foot over six foot tall and weighed like 150 pounds But I did at the hottest girl in school and I did because I was Outgoing and confident and talked to Everybody and was friends with everybody and like now I never let anybody like get to me like that So that's I had like a very very similar story to you But like it I I was picked on but I was like Like for me it was more about facing my fears which led me to become more confident and Mainly like I I just I didn't like conflict. I didn't like conflict. I didn't like You know when people like did me wrong or and so I would I would like fight that internally like should I do something about this? Should I not do something about this? I do something about and and this sort of like internal Like battle would go on all the time for me and like I kind of had to work my way because I didn't really necessarily get Picked on like I like, you know, just beat down or anything But like I would face all these like opportunities to fight And I would I would pull back and I would feel like no no no I'm being a coward and and so then I would take opportunities where okay Let's let's do this and then you know, I get my ass whooped and and then it would it would I would go back and like regroup and And try and try and like better myself and I would go back again. I challenge You know some bully So I would usually go out and find people that were punking other people and I would I would challenge them And so this is like this is like a continuous process of me growing up because I saw Bullies pick on my brother He's two years older than me like all the time and it used to fucking just drive me crazy And and so I was like working my way up the ladder Into where like finally like I I like This guy was like punking my brother and I was just like, you know, and we got into it And you know, and I just was like no like I'm not waiting for this person to throw You know first or this to happen or this scenario in my head to go off I'm just going for it and I went for it and then you know, and I got him pretty good and gave him a bloody nose and all that stuff I was just like, yeah, you know And and you know, and then after that I started to kind of bully people and I and I realized that about myself because I got this like crazy like confidence That I could overpower somebody and I started getting stronger and how old were you when you started doing that? I was probably like Maybe just seventh grade like sixth grade seventh grade I was starting to kind of bully other kids a little bit and um And I kind of realized and I felt like gross, you know, I started to do that and I wouldn't feel right about it and um And I checked myself on that and then just kind of started to like Turn myself more on to sports and like I realized I was really good at sports and that was my outlet And I could outlet like all my aggression could go into that direction because I had a lot of aggression And that like kept building once I got into you know, when I when I was going through like all these hormonal changes and Puberty and all that kind of stuff like I had this like rage that just like came over me So I got into football and that was it man. That was my place my outlet and I Like dominated in that space because this was where I could I could leave it there And it was a sport and then I could come back and everybody like shook hands hug all that stuff And it was fine and I didn't bring that on to any other kids or anything Do you attribute a lot of the football to your confidence like being good on the football field and and being able to do that Did you feel like that transferred over into absolutely? Yeah, a lot lots of my well accolades You know from football basketball somewhat and baseball. I was just like a natural athlete and um You know, and I I did do well in school, but the same time my brother like excelled So that was always something that like, you know, I was always like frustrated with, you know Because like he he just it came so easy for him and it was so hard for me I had to really, you know, buckle down and try. So anyway, this was like a perpetual thing for me to gain confidence So I wasn't confident, uh, you know academically or I wasn't confident speaking in front of people So I had to immerse myself into that and then, you know, it's been this like This progression in life where I gained new confidence by immersing myself into something that I suck at So that's been the thing. Yeah, I wasn't ever I wasn't always confident, but I was always assertive I was always very assertive. So although, um, I lacked confidence In certain situations growing up I've always had a big mouth and uh, not always the best combination You know, because it got me into trouble, uh, quite a few times So like, you know, I got I would get bullied too But I wouldn't Allow myself to get bullied because uh, I have to say something So I was that kid that Would get hit and then the bully would be like, you know Stay down and I'd get up Or he'd be like, don't say anything. I'd be like, fuck you and he'd hit me and it'd be like, fuck you and hit me And everybody'd be like, just stop saying that And I would just see down and I would just keep like keep saying, you know what I want to say because Uh, I just I couldn't I couldn't not Uh, say anything. I had a experience in junior high like that where I I got jumped And uh, I actually got jumped and uh, and then they tried to jump me again And I got away And I realized that the only way I would stop this Was I had to figure out a way to fight the dude that was running this whole thing In front of everybody And so I literally had to walk up to Him and his little gang And in front of the school make a big production And challenge him to a one-on-one fight because I knew he wouldn't be able to turn that down in front of everybody And he wouldn't be able to jump me because I said one-on-one And that was fucking terrifying. It was terrifying to not only have to go up to these dudes that jumped me already twice But then to have to Tell him I'm gonna fight you one-on-one, which I didn't want to do I don't want to get which by the way is how you can tell this is a true story because that literally was like What you would say back then. Yeah, we're gonna do this one-on-one One-on-one And I did I I went up to him in front of everybody and I first I told a bunch of people I would do it because I wanted a lot of witnesses Because I wanted to make sure they didn't jump me and then I went over there and I and it was terrifying Like I had to fucking do and then I had to fight him Afterwards which I did and it did stop the whole thing because I think they realized I was just paying the ass Like we're gonna keep fucking with this kid and he's gonna be a pain in the ass Because my next step was gonna be I was gonna fuck I was gonna bring like a bat to school and go create like and I can see now how how kids like escalate shit because You know, it's like you have like you you almost create this scenario in your head We have no other option. Yeah, so like my only option would have been like well Now I'm gonna take a bat to school and start, you know Hitting people with it or So it's it was a terrible but I've always been very assertive a lot of my confidence initially came from Being the oldest of four and as a child I was given a lot of responsibility. I was told my mom used to say things like You know, you and your siblings are like a train and you're the head caboose And whichever direction you go The other, you know, the other, you know cabooses or whatever are going to follow So if you turn left, they're all going to go left. If you go right, they're all going to right Maybe so I had all this So I had all this this like responsibility and pressure like I have to I have to do the right thing because otherwise my siblings are gonna We're gonna copy me and do the same thing. So I had all this responsibility. I had lots of confidence there Then in school I built confidence in high school because I just probably got really good grades. Um, I got good grades on accident. I didn't try I just I just did it was really boring But I just you know, I just kind of just did my thing I was just me and that right there Translates I guess into confidence, especially when you're in school when you're the kid in high school Who does his own thing and doesn't care It's kind of weird because nobody does that right nobody is that in high school. Everybody wants to be the same It's not like college or when you're older where if you're unique I was having this conversation with a friend of mine where he was telling me how he played an instrument And I was laughing because I'm like, you know, it's funny. You play the piano That's exactly what would have made you a fucking nerd and in junior high in high school It's exactly what it would have gotten you laid as you got older laid later You know I'm saying like and it's just I just was myself and then when I went into the gyms and started working in gyms In managing gyms I was extremely assertive and just very confident in my ability to lead because I had done this with my With my siblings and as an adult it's just um Confidence is not cocky Confidence is not outward. You don't think to yourself self-belief. Yeah, you don't think to yourself I'm confident like you don't walk in like I'm confident. That's not how it works Real confidence is very calm and you know when you meet people who are confident Yeah, they're just very calm and they're very comfortable in their own just know how to navigate through You know, whatever scenario they're in and I think that's that comes with experience and and I tried to Immerse myself in as many experiences as I could so that way I knew sort of how to dig my way out or how to like move and And read the crowd and read the energy and read the person and you know, uh, you know, like a like move Accordingly. Yeah, it's it's all about self-belief. But I think people confuse self-belief with believing that they're the best or You know, that's not necessarily confidence. Like I'm gonna go in here and I know I'm gonna win like that's a part of Competitive confidence. Yeah, but that's not really confidence because all it takes to break that is for you to lose The second you get your ass kicked Yeah, now what you know But if you believe you have self-belief in yourself that no matter what happens You're gonna be fine and you're gonna learn from whatever and you're gonna try again And you're not a quitter or you're not a loser or that's real confidence when you go into a scenario like people can't take away from you Yeah, you're always gonna, you know, keep that identity that that part of you like that you believe in Like you're gonna keep that regardless of any scenario. It makes life fun. It really does and it's funny because When you ask a bunch of people they do these they do these studies all the time And they'll ask people what the top fears are for people like what are the number one like your top five Things that make you feel really anxious and fearful and you know, what's one of the top ones always? Public speaking Super safe You're not going to get killed. You're not doing anything dangerous. You're talking in front of a group of people I know people who Freak out because they have to give a speech at a wedding like I've had family members are like, oh my god I got picked i'm the best man. Yeah, and they're fucking sweating Fear of being humiliated by all these people right but I mean are you really you know, I mean like it's it's such a It's such a thing that we created in our own minds It's so true that the thought of things is far worse than the actual things and the panic of it makes you perform worse You know, it's like just just abandon that idea and just you know go for and just own You know what you are like, uh You know if I look i'm i suck at most sports and didn't play a lot of sports I'm not good at them like I own it and it's okay and I laugh about it and it makes me confident about it It's kind of strange, right? Like I could hide it and pretend like i'm not but the fact that I own it and it's not a big deal to me I come I'm sure it comes across as confidence even though I don't really think about it that way I just think to myself like whatever who cares I own what I am. I you know, I'm short or I'm this or I'm that or Uh, it's just who you are and just kind of own it and be okay with it and then the confidence I guess comes second. I don't the key is you know, it's What people what people allow is the other people to affect that, right? It's like you just name some things like short not good at sports Like that only matters or that only bothers people when the other people point it out Like if I say like sell you're really shitty at sports. Well, if I do that That's that's my own insecurities. You have the ability to know that like 12 Like oh adam must feel like he has something to prove in sports because he's he's uh, You know attached himself to being an athlete And so he obviously feels like he has something to prove by putting me down to make himself better that poor guy You know i'm saying like when you learn to look at it like that when people Say these things or oh, you're short this and that well All those things that people attack you and that's their own ish That's their reflection of their own issues and once you learn to look at like that It's like yeah, I can't do anything. I'll tell you what my help Here's what my help because it's so hard like you can't chase confidence I don't think you can necessarily be like i'm going to be confident. It's like trying to chase meditation I don't think it works that way, but listen to a bunch of like self-help, you know Yeah, come on. I think uh, you know what might be good about this find a very confident person As soon as that real confidence real calm confidence and just watch them I've actually learned from a few people a few friend of my friends of mine in situations where I just look at them Like holy shit like that is the that in this particular scenario. This is one of the most confident Cool people I've ever met. I just watched them and see what they do and then I realized like there's nothing magic They're not doing anything magical I mean, we all know those people right where you go walk into a situation. I mean, I had a buddy's not good looking He's not very fit Like on paper there's nothing spectacular about the guy, but he walks into a room and he owns it He's not even trying to it's just who he is He just walks in he owns it one of the most confident individuals I've ever met And I used to love going places with him because I'd watch him and she'd be like what? Just unbelievably comfortable with himself. Yeah, I just so comfortable with who they are. Yeah, that's it really really That's that's that's the answer right is becoming ultra confident and comfortable with who you are. That's it Quick commercial break. Hey people ask us all the time how they can support mine pump. Here's what you can do Uh, you can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mine pump and get 20 off brain fm for meditation or focus You can also go to audible trial.com forward slash mine pump and get a 30 day trial plus one free audio book Lastly you can go to get nature blend.com forward slash mine pump and you will get a discount on ben greenfield cbd product Next up is police fitness nutrition one of our favorite pages What is the dumbest piece of fitness equipment you guys ever purchased? This is great. So when I first Opened my personal training Slash wellness facility. I had a partner And my business partner Was really into like the fitness tools type of stuff And so I fucking so mad at him for buying some of this shit because it was my money. I was the fucking backer I was the financial backer For the whole thing But one of the dumbest pieces of equipment I've ever seen in my entire. I remember when he ordered it. I got the box. I opened it up And I'm like, what the fuck is this thing and he's like, oh, it's a body blade Oh, it's a body blade. Yeah, you bought one of that shake shake shake shake. He's like, it's fucking cool It's like you shake it and then you do like, you know stability exercises and you fucking this that and the other It was the biggest waste of money of all time. It was totally stupid Totally worthless and it collected dust in my gym. It sat in the corner and didn't do shit at all And then the second dumbest piece of equipment was uh So perform better you guys know the website perform better dot com. Okay overpriced Fitness equipment for the most part equipment for $5,000 foam roller $175. Anyway, so, uh, We bought foam rollers from there and they had this vibrating foam roller that you bought and It said on there like vibrates intensely and I'm thinking like, oh, shit, like This is back when I thought you were breaking up adhesions and doing self-mile fashion release, right? We know better now, but I'm thinking like, oh, shit. If it vibrates on there It might actually be more effective because I'm thinking of this like hard vibrating like thing that I'm laying on my it Band like, okay. I'll buy one of these, right? So I order it And it's it was a short black foam roller. So it was one of the half ones And then on the side of it. There was like this white Uh twist knob that you turn to the right and then it vibrates And it was weak as fuck like you get on it and it didn't even vibrate that strongly So didn't really do anything. So all we did is we use it like a foam roller So I'm all this is stupid. I spent more money for nothing. Whatever. So you notice a candle slides out. So well, hold on So I know I've told the story before yeah, so I have it in the gym It's sitting in the gym. It's in the corner and I used to train one of the things I used to do that My clients used to love Something that we kind of became known for is that People could bring their kids when they'd come and work out because we're a small studio And we'd have a lot of moms that would have like post pregnancy and they'd bring their baby And I'm really I love children. I love kids So I'd hold their kids or feed their kids while they work out and it became this thing It actually got me a lot of clients But uh, this lady that we trained she came to work out. It was post pregnancy And she worked out with us. She actually trained with one of my other trainers But I played with her son and the little boy got older and he became a toddler So he'd run around the gym and while while we're training clients, we kind of keep an eye on him But it was cool great atmosphere. So this little guy runs over to the uh vibrating foam roller And he's playing with it And so I don't I'm just I see he's over there. He's safe. There's nothing bad We're working out. Well, he fucking runs over to his mom With a dildo in his hand a old school An old school white Like if you if you're my okay if you're if you're like 35 or older You remember those ads in the back of magazines where a woman is holding up a white tapered end dildo Up to her face and it says back massager like there's bullshitting you they're trying to tell you it's a fucking vibrator But they it would say back massager and for sure women were buying these To to masturbate with but anyway, it was that that's the one it was it was an old school hard plastic White tapered end Fucking vibrator disguises a foam roller pulls it it was in the it was in the foam roller You sniff it so he runs over to what is the point of that? So he runs over to his mom and he shows his mom and she's looking at us like Where did my son get this? And I can't figure it out. I'm like what the fuck just happened We had a vibrator in and I look at the back of it and it's the twist knob And I'm like, oh shit and I go over the foam roller and there's an empty hole and I stick it in there I'm like, oh my god. He pulled it out of his thing and we're all dying of laughter And I'm furious at perform better.com for selling me a fucking vibrator inside a foam roller So I took a picture of an email to him and I'm like you're gonna fucking refund me for selling because I know what they did They went and bought a fucking shit ton of cheap ass Chinese made old used ones Yeah old that they couldn't sell and then they just like oh shit We can stick them back by the foam roller and make that was ridiculous Yeah, they have a better version of that now though. Yeah, of course they do probably because of me and it's awesome I'm like, you're gonna give me a refund or I'm gonna tell everybody about those great. I did anyway I'm trying to think of the the the dumbest piece of equipment. I have not bought a lot of gimmicky tools I'm not gonna lie. I uh, I own the wheel. I own battle robes. I own bosu ball and I've had pads for boxing and stuff some cones I really have not bought a lot of gimmicky stuff. I will say this though Probably the biggest waste of money out of them is probably my battle ropes because I sure as shit Don't use those hardly ever. Yeah, I mean, I'm like mr. No cardio guy I'm certainly not mr. Go fucking swing ropes around for cardio. I don't know what I was thinking when I bought those I got some I fucking donate them to the studio Yeah, bring it in I will use them. I don't yeah I I used them for I can count on one hand how many times I've used Where did you do them just outside? Yeah at my house, you know, I had a remember I used to run boot camp So I did use them for that. So I you I used them for camp. I made other people do them But I fucking didn't use them. You know, I'm saying Who's the one that came up with that by the way the battle ropes. Yeah, I don't know I feel like it's an old training tool that someone I don't know because then you I remember seeing to like Somebody was using chains like that as well like at the same time It was like I feel like maybe strongman kind of did something like I know I know MMA guys got a popular. Yeah, it was MMA that got a popular Because they were doing that for you know shoulder stamina or whatever and then everybody was like, oh, I gotta do this I mean it definitely exploded during our career like our era right like, I mean it was not popular The first five years I was a trainer like nobody nobody was doing I remember when we first started like Foam rolling and stability balls were just hitting the scene like so that was a big deal with stability balls and foam rolling It wasn't until You know, maybe eight years later or so did people start using battle ropes and then it got really trendy for a while There still is I think I probably bought the most tools out of the group. I'm sure Like I had Olympic rings. That's probably the first to have Olympic rings like I would bring it into gold's gym and like hang it off of You know the squat rack or whatever and and nobody gave me any shit for a while until that Jerry guy He saw me doing that and was just like freaking out even though it's bolted down It's like the owner of the not going anywhere. Yeah, Jeremy call. Yeah all the gold. Yeah This is before like to CrossFit. It was even a thing. So like they were there somebody like some movement. I think it was I don't know when CrossFit really got popular But before that there was this gym in like Nevada that was like it was all about like Super like old school like stuff. I got really into that like everything that was old So that's what got me into kettlebells and that's what got me into like thinking about unconventional tools um, I think the the useless one out of the group that I bought That actually is in the closet. I think but it's It's like the era of suspension trainers So, I mean I liked TRX just because it's simplicity of the design and like the way that they had everything sort of organized, but You know, you get a lot of these knockoff ones that tried to like compete with it And so I bought one that like had this this sort of a wheel that would you you would put um You would put like a pin in there to stop it from From having full like a pulley or whatever like a full pulley like it would lock it in place Um, but yeah, so you'd get like super like uh unstable You know like I could do rows and and I would have one arm back and one arm would come forward So it had that like free flowing kind of like Ability to anyways it was like I used it maybe a few times and it was just like the the foot straps in it like were shitty designed and Like the whole thing was just like gimmicky, you know and like trying to compete with what was already like you know a hit and uh, I think between that and The the jump like I was really into testing at one point like because I had athletes and stuff And so I was like, oh, I need to get a vertical jump test And so I got this like platform actually still have it and I was going to bring it and like Fuck am I going to use this, you know like a vertical jump It's not the one you jump them hit the no which that one's awesome Yeah, they say that's a cool tool. I wish we had that this one is just basically it measures the ground forces that Uh, I already push off to push off and jump up high But that's expensive. Yeah, it's expensive And I I paid for I use it maybe like once because I had one client that all they wanted to do is increase the vertical jump So, you know, so I bought this like really expensive piece of shit And I still have it. I'm like never even use it. You've had some jump rope tools I've seen too you have had some shit jump rope. Oh, no, thank you Uh, the the jump rope with the the led lights I was trying to reverse engineer like, you know, what they did with the led you had some stupid shit So when you jump basically like the revolutions it it creates um Like when the lights are in front of it some way it was able to show this digital display in front of you You can see the amount of reps that we were I remember those commercials when they came out It looked so cool. It was like super cool. But like you can't even see it if the lights are on It only works. It only works if you jump rope with a dart, but just not a good idea And like yeah, and it's like the handles like are all fucking like too big and It's just like I just want a regular jump rope What's what's some of the dumbest equipment you guys use the law as trainers that now you're like, what the fuck was a How about the dyna discs? Oh, do you guys use that for everything? I did use that for me standing in that shit for everything. I did do dyna disc and foam pass up Reminds me of like a whoopy cushion. Yeah Yeah, for everything though, we're gonna try to set press downs on the dyna on the dyna We're doing curls on the dyna disc. I did it. I did a lot of smith machine work for sure Which I still I mean I actually use, you know, so funny how Because we like inverted we talk so much shit about the smith machine that I'm self-conscious to use it now I actually want to get caught on there. So he's gonna take picture So what I was doing, uh, I was actually doing a supinated grip bench press the other day Hadn't done that in years and just oh, that's for sure. That's fine with us on a smith machine Right, you ever do that shit in a free bar without a spotter. Yeah, that's a motherfucker, right? So so they have it has its place So you lose your teeth something like that right like so I I felt validated for using it for that but then I was like nervous I'm like this is going to be the time like some mind pump listener like comes walking up to me I'm going to be using the smith machine and I'm gonna have to like explain myself like yeah No, listen, this is what I'm doing right now like pay itself Yeah Yeah, because I used to use it all the time now I never do But I just did the other day and it was I it was really funny because I did have this moment Of I was totally self-conscious of using it. I thought oh, how funny is that because we've talked so much shit about on the show I can't I'm afraid to use a machine because someone's going to come over and notice You could see that like the the growth of personal training is just it's it's right along Line with all the growth of these fucking tools that they would sell You know I'm saying because I would get these catalogs when I owned my studio And it was like all these like little tools that you could use and I remember looking at half of them and going Because by this point I realized half of it was bullshit. Like why would I buy any of this stuff? I don't need any now everything's like out of sand or like water You know what I mean? Yeah like variable resistance and I'm like I get it, you know like there's there's it's just like Why you got it's because you have to figure out how to sell shit What do you guys think is the stupidest most popular tool right now? That's popular popular. Yeah popular right now. That's stupid. That's right now. That's really I think the training mask is the Dumbest thing. Oh, yeah, so you know what I did more research on the training mask You know what it you know what it does it strengthens your diaphragm So your ability to suck in air it actually it actually it gives you resistance so it can strengthen your diaphragm now Is that it's still stupid? It doesn't It's still it still would go up there. It's stupid. Well, so I thought of a potential application for it. All right, uh, so I'm listening. Yeah, so hear me out. So When jessica went to the paul check certification they were talking about muscle recruitment patterns that affect your breathing So you get a lot of people so, you know, we talk about how some people have issues getting a full diaphragmatic breath And you know, they always breathe a shallow breathe or whatever Well, that uh, is a recruitment pattern like any other Where if you walk a particular way or if you squat a particular way and you do that all the time That becomes your default pattern. So teach just simply teaching people how to belly breathe Isn't enough they have to train it because their their default recruitment pattern is To not get a full breath their diaphragm works in this particular way And it's hard to train out of it. And if you don't Then people have these signs of stress some people feel like they can't breathe or they'll feel like they're out of breath Or they yawn a lot like a lot of yawning is a sign of not getting Uh full breath because when you yawn it actually forces you to get this full diaphragmatic breath A lot of people don't realize that So I'm thinking I was thinking that maybe those masks as a training tool for that Where you put the mask on and then you you suck in and focus on really getting a belly breath and then breathing out Real hard and just strengthening those well if that's if that's I haven't tried it But I'm speculating well Then I'm gonna challenge that theory with that wouldn't be to me that would be no different than somebody who Has poor recruitment patterns and squatting and then they decide to put a belt on To help that not that it's not that it's helping it because I feel like it would give Because if you have bad if you have a bad pattern of doing that how would restricting air Actually help you so I've never used one I've never put one on but I What think what it does is it it makes it so you have to breathe in harder because I I did like I said I read Studies that show strengthens the diaphragm So I know you have to suck in harder right because it's restricting. Have you ever have you ever resist? Have you ever tried to snorkel have you snorkel before yeah, okay? It's like that have you had one on before you tried one No, I haven't tried a mask on but I know that's exactly what it's doing. It's it's just like you're sucking You're blowing you're being able to breathe through a tube. That's all you get so If you've ever breathed through a snorkel now what you have to do when you breathe through snorkels It it does force you to calm like calm your breathing down or you will like hyperventilate like you can't Do that in a snorkel you have to You have to take these slow breaths. So I mean it might be a training tool I've never used one. So I'm just speculating but the for what the people for the reason people think they're using it for Well, I mean exactly even if that was true I'd still think it's a ridiculous tool because it's the the carryover to what you're what you're getting from it You know I'm saying like what are you with the real benefits? You'd have to be in a very specific sport where I could see yeah We could go down like the rabbit hole for a lot of these like even the body blade I could make you know like The relevance out of that as far as like right you know muscle contraction and you know consistent muscle tension and you know, it's just a matter of like On a on a totem pole of priority. It wouldn't have sold millions if you couldn't argue some science behind it, right? Right, I mean that's how I always look at it like if I don't know man Sometimes selling millions doesn't mean thing well like fucking you could go pick up a rock outside and make a fucking workout out of it So it's not like that actually happened at one point. They did sell a pet rock. Yeah Like it's like it doesn't matter what it is like you can I think my problem with a lot of like these exercise Like pieces of equipment is like if your body's like going through all these movements yourself And you're just kind of carrying this thing with you, you know, what's the relevance if it's not like Plate loaded or it's not like an actual load of weight that it's just like, you know You're you're doing all these unique movements with it. But why you know what I've seen lately on my on my feed on youtube And I think on instagram too is the fucking mouth trainer. Have you seen this thing? Did you guys see this? Yeah, it's like it's me that was around before I got a fucking stupid one for you guys Okay, like shark tank, you know, like Lori, I think she backed this one like It's a piece of plastic that's like basically like A u-shape that has like two spots for your feet to stand on it So you kind of balance and in like you just you go up down like it's like a teeter totter Like up down up down and you kind of twist left right left right So you twist your trunk with it and that's it and then they make like and it like Five million different like movements out of like nothing It's it's you know what it is. It's if it looks cool or if it looks weird It'll sell the shake weight Sold so many because it looks like someone's jacking off. That's the only reason why it's sold It's like a joke. So everybody I want and everybody bought one because it looks like a hand job This mouth trainer one that I'm talking about it's the thing you put in your mouth The commercial sport is like And people share it because they're like this is fucking and everybody's sharing it Meanwhile, it's going viral. Isn't that funny? And I know this motherfucker selling a bunch of them because of that shit because it looks down We need to come up with some stupid shit. Yeah, or just a good good way to market it like that I remember when I told you guys one or the other axe axe did their The dirty balls. That was the most commercial ever man. It was so brilliant Well with that check this out go to youtube subscribe to our new youtube channel mind pump tv There's a new video every single day 365 days a year also at mind pump media dot com you can enroll yourself in the free 30 days of coaching share it with your friends. 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