 Yo, let's chat. Hey, my name is Ty and I believe I can talk to anyone about anything today We're gonna do a review on an awesome little video that I had with a guy named Conrad from South Africa This is gonna be an interesting thing because I Have friends in South Africa and it really freaked me out that you can meet people from all around the world if basically No matter where you go. It's it's basically a much smaller world. That's that's the point. I'm trying to make anyway Let's have a fun time and actually I want to know what I could do better and I think s he could be Conrad let me let me highlight this this is the first time I've seen this video probably even this year This came out November First of 2018 which probably meant that I recorded it. Let's see. When did I record this in September of last year? So Let's just see. Let's just have a fun time seeing what how the conversation went what I could do better and How to have these kinds of conversations not just show them But also talk about the thought process, which is why I do these breakdown videos Let me know if these are useful to you Tie by the way Got to do that introduction. Hey, I'm tie. Nice to meet you handshake. That was good I think I'm wearing that same shirt Anything that's important to you is there anything that really motivates you anything like you wrap your life around like the I like a philosophy or like something that you strongly believe to be true anything like that That pitch is the standard pitch that I have For when I'm doing these kinds of conversations like something that strongly motivates you something You think you can't be wrong about something that you strongly believe is true Those tend to be the most interesting talks and of course I'm up to any kind of talk really but It's a not it's not a bad pitch and I find it to be a bit more of a shotgun method to start a really good conversation and Yeah, I think There are also times where I say hey, I'm an atheist and you want to talk about God for a while and yes, sometimes those that's good too Just know your audience and not every conversation has to be about God or you know religion or anything like that But yeah, sometimes this is an open door to just say hey, is there something that you strongly believe is true Let's see where we go from here. Those tend to be the more interesting conversation We get about news we can talk to TV shows if you want to but like something that like really motivates you like You sent your life around that'd be like a really cool thing to talk about Wish you disappoint. I'm feeling bad to disappoint you, but I don't I don't really have any philosophies that I Revolve my life around okay. I mean that's the one that's philosophy. I like that Talk about that for like five minutes. Okay, so cool. Flip over the hourglass anytime you want to walk away It's cool, but so you said are you saying then that you really don't need the philosophy to live? Oh, that's a good transition That's a good transition Okay, and again like I said, I'm in I'm I'm learning a lot from just watching these two so It's a loose topic to say living without a philosophy But really the more interesting angle from this is you don't You can live without a prescribed Philosophy that's what I mean when I say that and I think he keyed into that too which leads more towards You don't need a dogma or a dogmatic thinking In order to operate in life and still be a good person and a functional member society and all that stuff And that is a really nice way to twist so it's not the first time that I've gone Oh, well, I don't really have anything to talk about. I don't really have a philosophy That's a great way to twist from I don't really have a philosophy to More of a positive claim of actually and I don't think you need to have a philosophy to have a meaningful life Or a dogmatic point of view to have a meaningful point of life that and that is the more interesting Conversation so at the start of it. I think I did a pretty good job and just transitioning it to a much more Targeted and interesting Point or a more positive claim a much more, you know interesting positive claim. Let's see where we go That's true. So let me see that would you don't make if you don't mind that for like five minutes Okay, so cool flipping over the hourglass anytime you want to walk away. It's cool But so you said are you saying then that you really don't need the philosophy to live? That's true so What would you say is the reason why you have this stance where you don't need to have like a explicit You know philosophy to follow Confidence Comfort maybe maybe a little bit of confidence now that you said it Yeah, I feel like it's it's the fact that you're comfortable in where you are. Okay. Yeah, I mean even not where I'm I Was two years ago two years ago. I was student in Southern Bosch, South Africa. Oh, wow, really? I got friends in Petoria. Oh, yeah I got a friend named Ben diesel. He's gonna love this Ben Cool, I knew some more like also gonna take a moment I'm gonna put into the description Ben diesels channel. He's a street epistemologist really cool dude super super cool dude And his channel is called sees the thought so if you get a chance to check out another street epistemologist Check him out. He's also the guy who made the website s e dash playlist calm s e dash Well, he actually it's another street epistemologist who got the domain But it's been who keeps it updated. So playlist calm if you go here You will see every single new s e video that gets put out on YouTube all congregated into one spot It's a great site and Ben's a great guy. All right throw out, but I I guess then Do you think then that someone needs to have a philosophy to live their life? Okay, so all I'm doing now is leaning into the idea of do you need a dog ma to Live basically What's a dogma? rules that are immutable or I hope I'm using that word right Unquestionable unmovable From a high authority that you can never change basically unchangeable rules to live by do you need a dog Like do you need that to live? You will be surprised how many Christians say no Which is fine because It's it's a weird world it's a weird world that we live in that's why but um Yeah, I'm leaning into the idea of do you really mean that you don't need a dogma again more more into the philosophical side of just Do you need rules to live by? For some reason I apologize about this but if for some reason I'm coming back to about like life around it and Married to someone who is a religious She does revolve her life around it so the fact that I can live mine Necessarily close as close to hers as possible without revolving my life around philosophy You know kind of makes me more confident in my philosophy, you know What are you gonna say? Why do you think some people cater towards living towards a dogmatic point of view of life? Like what benefit do you think your wife or your partner gets out of that? Comfort like I said comfort huh confidence. Is there a chance? I Want to throw something out, and I'm just spitballing here I like to just so no matter what I had no idea where I'm going to go with this you had we would talk about I always just like Gently challenge it no matter what so like if you told me you like potato chips so like Why haven't you been convinced of your wife's philosophy? I guess I always wonder when I So when I when I when I talk to someone that I suspect we an atheist my questions become more And it's something I'm working on but more pro Haven't you looked at the other side of the fence, you know Like generally that's that is the that is the the basis of most of the questions Like have you looked at the other side of the fence and because I talked to so many religious people It seems as if se and like my approach is very much atheists pro atheism And it's not because I will curb stomp atheism as soon as I have a good reason to believe in a God But when I talk to an atheist and like on a one-to-one basis like this, I wonder if they think oh is he just some secret theist Dude who's about to sell me on God like real quick like black ray comfort I always I always get a little bit more squeamish when I have a conversation with someone who's an atheist Because I feel like the suspicion is Automatically that I'm out to proselytize and convert people Compared to like a theist where I feel is a little bit more used to or comes at it was so it's blind bravado They're just like oh, I can't wait to tell you all about the things that I know. No, it's falling apart That clip is gonna be used against me for sure. I don't care. It's pretty accurate I'm just keeping it real guys. Let's go Anyway, so The basis behind this is I feel a little squeamish asking atheist questions about looking over the other side of the fence because I don't want to appear I Don't I don't like the idea of appearing that I'm trying to sell them idea It feels like it takes away some of the genuine aspect of this common conversation But I guess I'm overthinking it I probably roll into it But if you are having these come if you are having a conversation with an atheist don't go easy on them That's that's the main point. Don't go easy. Don't go easy on atheists. If you're an atheist Don't go easy on a theist. I'm probably spelling that wrong Theists really a theists. Oh Man, I'm gonna have to look this up I'm gonna have to look this up Don't go wrong on All right, it's either it's either this theists or A theist I feel like I feel like this is right theists Don't go easy on atheists You know what I'm gonna just be fair. No, I'm gonna I was I was gonna say I was gonna do this SP, but you know what I'm just gonna embrace it. Don't go easy on atheists Don't Also, don't go easy on theists Theists right Theists SE's not Doesn't belong to atheists. SE doesn't belong to theists It's an equal opportunity means of talking to people and as such you shouldn't go easy on them Doesn't mean go hard just means don't go easy on them. And so questions like these Are fair game. All right. Anyway Haven't you been convinced of your wife's philosophy, I guess then Yeah, that's good If you open up your life, you're hard a hundred percent and Does Like would you would you want to believe it if it was true? Like is that like the limiter? Oh, he's thinking so you open up your heart and you and you believe it But then you realize it's not true. Would you still keep believing it? Okay, okay Then how do you figure out if something is true and something's not true Is that a good reliable way to figure out if something's true? Yeah, he's going back to the argument for faith You see that's the big argument, you know, it's like does it because that's what I tell myself as well Sure. Yeah. Yeah, so that that is a big argument and you totally correct and just believing in 100% doesn't make it true So, you know, that's where the whole problem with does he exist does he not exist come from sure? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just because you believe in them Is do you think I don't know is a good answer for that at least for now? Even if I mean them I feel like there could be hallucination, right? I know right, okay, so the way how I think about it, and I'm just throwing this out like about a coin, right? And it's heads or tails and it's on the back of my hand, and I don't know if it's as you know You think it's Well, you can think about it whatever you want this is America you can think whatever you want But like thinking about it doesn't make it more likely to be right So I think at this point until we have better information. I don't know might be the best answer exactly That's my philosophy. What do you think about that? Oh, that's definitely a good philosophy because that's what I always say My philosophy in this and you did start off with this and I told you I have nothing but my philosophy and that not in life is If I live a good life mm-hmm at the same principles and the same values without Following right I understand. Yeah, I get same principles and values without letting someone else think for you. Yes, exactly Yeah, and I said like what should I? Have to use them because I haven't been immediately rejected. Yes. I have not Graciously accepted mm-hmm either point of view But then He's definitely working it out as he's talking and I'm just giving him the opportunity to do that Also while I got this pause. I also want to make a note that I have in this video Set up in the shade as you can see there's a bunch of shade here shade here that is prime location because It's a great way to have sell the nice place to sit down like in the shade particularly on a walking path and I feel like it pops Makes or maybe it either makes the care the people in the video pop a little bit more or Makes the background just not bleed into the foreground a little bit It just helps the contrast a little bit. I feel like the as far as like a technical work. It's it Technically, it's I think this is one of the best that I've done as far as just like inadvertent lighting, but you know Those are like, how do you get how much do you guys want to talk about like the technical aspects of recording video? I might make a special video for that, but let's just keep it on the philosophy for right now and the SE Techniques I'm letting him work this out because he's definitely thinking aloud and I think it's for the better because He's going from you got to believe it with your heart, too. Actually, I wouldn't believe it if I knew it was true That's living a lie. So now what do I have left? I Have to think about what's important to me. I don't want to live by things that have rules or by other people's rules. I want to live by my rules and Yeah, I think these are these are interesting points of views that he's Letting bubble up to the top and I'm just giving him the opportunity to work them out. Yeah Yeah, choose a side and I'm so in the middle and I should choose a side. I feel like you don't have to choose a side Why do you have to choose a side because then you're gonna live in your life always looking at both sides and being like Well, you don't know it's always a little bit of room I'd love to hear what you think about this from my perspective. If I only care about believing in true things I'm only in a weight in that middle ground until someone has better evidence I think that's the most valid place Because Okay, so he's saying basically by saying that you're not Okay, but he said okay I think we're interpreting middle differently and I probably could have worked a little bit better to define what I meant by middle But when I say I don't know who's right like say there's two people arguing and they're saying I'm I'm correct And the other person's saying I'm correct and I'm standing in the middle. It's like I don't know which of you guys are right I will wait in the middle until one of you guys have a point. That's what I meant by middle It's like I'm not picking a side. I think saying I don't know is the best answer until The person who thinks they're right presents me with the better evidence or at least, you know, some reliable method to get there and I believe he interprets middle as okay Well, both of you guys are right, but I don't know who I'm more compelled to believe in more at the moment And I think I am not saying they could both be wrong My opinion is the two people who say they're right. They could both be wrong But I'm still saying I don't know is the best answer until we have evidence so right wrong Who knows I'm fine with I don't know as an answer And it doesn't mean that I'm giving any of them a credible, you know Steak in any sort of race and I can see how that agnostic position is a little more nuanced Then what's commonly understood and it's worth describing maybe to a little bit more detail Maybe that's an example I could work on more I know I want to explain So just so I get this right let's summarize There's a chance that both sides might be wrong Yeah, both extremes might be completely wrong right and that the most intellectually honest position is just the hey I don't know until I have better evidence But if if we can agree that I don't know is the better answer then that means we don't have to pick a side And that's why that defeats the appeal to desperation. So I think So we're out of time, but I appreciate it Conrad thank you so much. It was a great having the chat with you Yeah, yeah, if you want good job if you want you can take a card I got I put up all the rest of the videos that I have with other people Yo, okay, so yeah, that was a fun that was a fun chat. Let's see what things do we take away from that? Um one gotta set up in the state set up in the shade Shade is primo real estate for se especially if you have a table. It's really good or invest in some shade get some shade on there Oh, this is Ben's channel. By the way, I'm putting a link in the description. Check out I've never seen a guy more smooth and Talking to people than this dude. Also. He is situated in South Africa. So Um international se we have a worldwide effect going on. It's really amazing and then third thing. Let's see. Um Okay, so I would also say We transitioned from Ah, I don't really think I got a philosophy to I don't think I need to have a philosophy and I feel like this is one of the weird The the the conversations that I've had that's sort of rare where the person leaves the table a lot more confident Than they were at the beginning because before it was a little wish washers like uh I don't know if I really have a philosophy to believe in but you know Maybe that's a philosophy in itself to leave him. It's like no, I want to believe my own rules I I don't want to believe things that aren't true. I don't think faith is a good way to go about things I don't think a desperation is a good way to go about things. Maybe I don't know is the better answer That's a good se conversation and it can happen in as short as five minutes. Listen guys I'm here If you want to know I'll be here every week posting out new videos for you guys breakdowns conversations. I've had Um, we got podcasts. We got a radio show coming up. There's other people Doing these talks too and listen, you don't have to subscribe to my channel You don't have to check out my patreon page. You don't need to do this. I'm doing this. I'm I'm locked in This is fun too fun for me to quit. I'm going to be here regardless but There are a lot of other people who do se and I think if you enjoy these kinds of videos You should give them some love too. So check out se Playlist.com links in the description See all the other kinds of people who are doing this check out ben diesels channel. You know, let's focus on ben He is a cool se dude and I want more people to know about him But also we got read nice wonder. We got gan and truman war. We got a lot. We got so many amazing people who are all Working on finding a better way of talking to people about what they believe and I think you can too See you guys next time