 న్విన్న్లాన్, వప్ాదిక్త్వ్టక్రిందిన్త్ంస్ప్గి . వాస్త్త్ం మారిగెచిం, వారిక్టిక్. మారోటికోత్టం మారోరో నంరికోత్క్టారోస్త్టారోనేరాయికాక్మటిక్గె. మిల్నకోయిచాలర్ప్యటదిక� They cannot hold on to the ball. They are losing the ball too quickly to New Zealand. And that's how New Zealand is gaining yards on them. If they can hold on to possession, be patient with their ball and try to knock New Zealand off the game. Then they are going to win, because with New Zealand, the moment they go ahead, it's very hard to come back. They don't like to have ball in their back spaces, into their back rows where South Africa can come in and try to equalize from them. For them, the moment they are in the danger zone, they kick the ball away from the danger zone. And then they try to go ahead with it. For South Africa, they are fumbling the ball too much. If they can lose that, then it's going to be a very good end of the game. General standards with regards to rugby World Cup, I know Kenya missed out on qualifying to Japan. But do you think it's a big setback for Kenya missing in action and not taking part? When you look at the 16 teams in this World Cup, you look at the preparation levels and the investment the federations put in you. It makes you understand why these teams in the first place are in the World Cup. And remember, these teams have been back-to-back in these top championships. Some of them have been playing tests. So it tells you that rugby, like any other sport, is about investment, is about development from young structures. The problem with countries like Kenya is that we don't really invest in proper structures. And this is going to be a problem in the near future because now it means some of... We will be seeing obviously Namibias and South Africans. But for us, we are still going to be way back. And it's going to be a big problem. And actually, you can talk about our... I think it was in the repatriage cup, then Kenya missed out. And we saw Canada going there and then Namibia also taking that spot. And Kenya did not have a chance and we played the likes of Japan. You look at the countries the way they are ranked themselves getting on to the World Cup. You realize that South Africa is rated number three in the world. You have got New Zealand, you are the defending champions right up there. Watch their rugby weekend in, weekend out. Forget now the rugby World Cup that you are watching. I think for many fans of rugby and who follow rugby weekend in, weekend out, you realize that we either follow South African rugby or we follow England rugby, Ireland. And those are the countries that you will be following weekend in, weekend out. But for us back here at home, the good thing I can say we have at the moment is our players don't go outside that much. But you realize that they don't go outside very much because of where we are ranked in the world. If we can get a lot of our players going professional, turning professional, playing in the best leagues in the world, then pushing a team to the World Cup is not an easy deal. You look at South Africa, most of the players play at home. Almost the whole squad plays at home in a professional setup and it's really, really good for them. If for us we can manage to get on to that level, then now you can say that we are going to the World Cup. Now, you don't want to qualify for the World Cup. In the last hurdle, you qualify for the World Cup. Then on your first game, you meet New Zealand. You have not even played a test match for all year. And you are meeting New Zealand. Yes, it will be happy, we are playing New Zealand, but the type of rugby we can experience at that level is going to be really different. And as Barry is correct in putting it, is that we need to do more investment, actually. We need to invest more in this sport. Actually, as you are saying, most of our players are not going outside. I think it's because at home here, we have facilities, yes, but they are not enough to help the players, maybe gain more skills and all that. So I think we need to do more investment from both the government and try to find sponsorship deals as Audul Gangla was saying last weekend. So we need to put more money in this sport and then we can see the levels are going up. And talking about the general standards of what is happening in Japan as far as rugby World Cup is concerned, I know Tokyo is also looming, it's around the corner. Do you think teams will be looking forward to stamp the authority, especially the powerhouses, the giants, heavyweights in New Zealand, South Africa, Fiji, Wales, England as well ahead of Tokyo 2020? Yes, usually for some of these teams, it starts with Bangon from day one because you never know what to expect. So if you get an opportunity, just kill it. So I'm expecting the same when England come to play and of course I'm expecting South Africa to come back in case they lose today. The big guns will always want to stamp the authority early and remember they're eyeing each other like the top four and maybe throwing some more and Fiji they're eyeing each other so that if at all they were to meet somewhere now they can balance it out but now if you lose and then the others won't like too much it's going to be difficult. So it's important to start with the bang. And remember the first game matters. How you start a tournament, the first game matters. Also remember this time the World Cup groups almost every group is a group of death and you look at this game between South Africa and New Zealand they're in the same group. They'll have to fight it out to make sure that if New Zealand is stopping the group then the spring book is right behind them. Other countries like Canada they have just come to participate. 100% sure they are not going to come to the trophy but I like Australia it's a team that many people have not spoken about but it's a team that can really bring trouble into the World Cup. Northern Ireland is also there a big recognition and it's a team that can also come in and trouble people but we'll also wait to see what England can offer because it's been a long time we have not seen the three lines so we are going to see what they can offer. I also think with Max if I may add there are teams here who like in even in the football World Cup who like the Belgiums maybe and the Croatians like we have now for example in this World Cup there are teams that can spring surprises like for example Wales, Ireland and maybe Argentina if you look at the six nations these are teams that even surprise guys like England like you look at Italy, like you look at Ireland like you look at France and France by there they have a very strong league there are top pros from around the world that played over there so it means it still goes to the fact that big teams will like if they get a chance to win they win and then they try to win big because it will determine how they will approach the games in the future and let's talk about you know the stand out players in this particular championship I know there are a lot of individual names that are likely to determine the outcome and probably general win of the entire championship Posoro Robert do you think there is possibility that individual brilliance will play out just like you know Kenya we've seen it when they are featuring at the you know HSBC World 7 series you know stand out names like Colin Sinjera who is one of the overall tri-scorer globally determines and carries the national flag do you think as far as rugby world cup is concerned in Japan stand out individual names will play out or it's about the team work actually with the 15 rugby it's more of team work because you cannot be alone in that team at 7 to 1 play you can struggle 2 defenders all the way but with the 15 you realize that you are very many on the field of play how you are set up as a team is the one that is going to matter I think with rugby 15 past the coaches at the same it is the captain of the team how the captain sets his team going out there is how you are good at it so remember the different roles that they are going to play you realize that with New Zealand they are very good at the scrum they know when they come to a scrum how they are going to handle that and the kind of players they are going to have who is your best kicker on the field you are going to use some of those players and I think team work is the one that will play a key role in that actually as Robert is saying for 15s you cannot really be able to compare the 7s and 15s because as a team if you cannot be able to defend well you cannot be beaten and we have so many players in the field of play if you cannot be able to set your team all the 15 players on the field then you are poised to lose a match in a very very simple way and maybe right now as you speak South Africa again as New Zealand score from 17 to 10 New Zealand leading we are used to taking short period of time 15s takes closer to 40 minutes for half, 80 minutes it is almost the same football we were discussing earlier before you came that you know rugby is 15s and 7s is cosmetics you agree? this is where rugby was born 15s rugby, this is the core of rugby even some of the 7s players still return to 15s you return to 15s I think 7s is more of excitement entertainment and flashy stuff but 15s is the core of rugby you learn everything about the basics of the game for me it is where rugby was born basics of the game last weekend in your interview with Ganglodwuri he had hinted to you that of course New coach is coming on board Paul Finney now taking over as the technical director localy is it high time that now the man steer the national team to another level so that during these global show pieces what is happening in Japan, Kenya can participate as well I think the major thing is the resources that is going to have at disposal because a man coming from New Zealand has got a lot of connections you realize that for the whole of last year we do not have any test much happening in the country we need to go back to those test matches you realize now Kenya is playing Zimbabwe for the Victoria Cup in Nakuru those are the kind of matches that the rugby fraternity needs but at the end of the day are they going to offer good resources are they going to offer him everything that he wants so that he can make the team and if he is be given that chance then it is going to be happening and you realize right now that the Kenya rugby union is a quiet federation and meaning when they are quiet then they are working when there is a lot of noise they are not working so what they are doing at the moment is bringing in a new coach give these boys a test match develop our university rugby develop our college and high school rugby because this is going to be these are actually our feeder system on to the national team I don't think there is any other sport in Kenya there is a feeder system from the youth level more than rugby I think it is the one that has a high school university up to the top level and if he can be given those resources then he can know that which kind of players he needs to get on to the team and we can move on to the next level and you know several foreign best coaches have been at the helm of the national team before Fredo Penda we mentioned Paul Tru we mentioned Mike Friday the rugby union parted ways with them owing to the reasons best known to themselves do you think if Kenya managed to hold on to a coach like Paul Tru then right now we will be talking about different things in terms of growth of rugby in the country because he meant well for this sport and even Mike Friday let's start with Mike Friday he is in charge of the US right now exactly he is in charge of the US right now so I think the good thing is actually there is a penalty goal for South Africa they are coming back they are up for the fights so it's always good not really mentioning names but just get hold on to your best best coaches, best players although players you know now you are getting older you have to give way for the younger blood you need to get hold of the people who are putting in some quality input into the sport and as Robert was saying give them whatever they need if it's resources fine if it's sponsors get the sponsors for them and if we can be able to hold to this kind of talent coaching ways then we can be able to be featuring in the world and every time so the best thing is make sure we have these resources give the coaches enough facilitation exactly facilitation in order to carry out the work and we can see the level of rugby going up but without having the best coaches is not enough if you don't give them that the facilities and the resources they need then there is no need to have them places where they can get the resources that they need but Barry I know you will agree with me that despite besides facilitation in terms of giving a coach all he needs at his disposal just like us all Robert put it I know structures are also paramount and the federation has to put in place you know structures especially at the grass to to understand there is much untapped potential pole true meant well for the sport and he's been closely monitoring the progress of the game locally and even when Kenya meets again in South Africa Mike Friday sorry he he always has some you know positive remarks about a few names locally in terms of you know players featuring for the national side should jump did we lack good will in the first place to retain him I think yes we lack good will and another thing that destroys our game to be particular about rugby is that when politics chips in then now we have a big problem some people start bringing the argument of money it's too expensive to sustain a foreign coach or we have enough people down here but I think that is a very short sighted argument we need to we should have retained somebody like Mike Friday or guys like pole true who have experience in and out of the game and particularly because they had a vision sorry the vision was to build rugby from the bottom going up and to this end we need elements of development you know like in South Africa eastern province or western province they have people we call development coaches in Kenya sometime back in the game of cricket we used to have development coaches in the coast province and rift valley province so these people they build players from that end and then they will feed into the nationality this is what probably rugby lacks if rugby had a good structure maybe let's say we have good rugby from western Kenya like Kisumu and Nakuru and then the coast and then Nairobi obviously then if we had a good development structure and development coaches and development managers then we will not have be having such an argument probably will be in the world cup right now yes and the Victoria cup in Nakuru is happening Kenya up against Zimbabwe at Nakuru athletic club and you know it's all about 15 and I know the atmosphere in Nakuru as far as matters rugby is concerned is electric Kenya up against Zimbabwe is a team that has been almost bringing problems to the Zimbabwe can Kenya redeem themselves this particular afternoon they can they can they are actually playing at home remember we are Kenya Zimbabwe Zambia and Uganda we have already had two wins against one win against Uganda but two win against Zambia and now against Zimbabwe so here at home we have to give it our best shot and Zimbabwe is one of the biggest countries rugby in Africa so Kenya testing themselves against Zimbabwe is the best thing that can happen and also you gotta give it to these boys who are working at the federation because they promise to take rugby outside of Nairobi and I think it's the first time that we are being a test match in Nakuru and Nakuru is a very big home when it comes to rugby most of the rugby players hail from Nakuru so rugby at Nakuru Athletic Club today is going to be fantastic and you watching the world cup plus you playing with your own boys at the team is going to be big for us and I expect these boys to go out there and prove themselves because they can see the kind of team that went to the world cup they had a chance to go to the world cup so if you ever shot at the Olympics because the qualifiers are coming this is the time to make your case or during last try to his level best according to your own assessment since he took over from Richard Umel I think the you will just look at what has happened so far what has happened with the team so far I think the major one was the pulling out of sponsors from the rugby and now we have got sponsors coming back into the fraternity you saw Stanley McBank add their money onto the series circuit and that was a good one for them you've got Tasker coming in as a short sponsor there's a good one for you you've got still Bidiko still sticking with you they signed a broadcasting deal which is already happening this time round there's a big plus for the federation the major part will be can you retain them and for a long time because you don't want to have sponsors coming in for just a short duration of time and then they are gone the moment they stay with you for a very long time that is the moment you will see your rugby improving to greater heights and if they don't stay with you then that's a problem but so far so good they have done their best I've seen before several teams coming from beyond to take part in the championship but in the most recent times even let's talk about last year championship it lacked flames, it lacked spice because the teams that were participating are sort of meaners this time round are we looking forward to different scenario should we I think like my friend has said with the coming in of a dual gangla there's a new belief and then also now we have you've just seen the teams that are coming the team from South Africa as one I think the championship like three times he's now coming in as well so we expect a lot of electric atmosphere in Safari 7 events in the calendar of rugby so when you see some of these teams coming back it means there's some new belief they want to compete they want to showcase what Africa has got and for Kenya it's a very big plus and for Kairu this is a big plus so probably what needs to happen is to spread the game again and maybe apart from Nakuru maybe take it to Kisumu and get more heavy weight teams to come on board to raise the level of the sport locally I think also for the Safari 7 because it's usually mostly a cutting razor to the Dubai 7 that usually kicks up in November one major hindrance that the Safari 7 size is a stadium we don't have a very good world class rugby stadium for that series if they can marshal their forces and build a very good stadium then you can have really big teams coming on to the Safari 7 because they know the moment we touch down in Nairobi Kenya we are planning for Dubai and they are using Safari 7s for that so if we can get up 15,000, 20,000 seats at the RFEA good classic stadium I can tell you teams will be coming because back in the day we had teams like all Blacks coming in for the Safari 7 we had Oakland coming in so those are big teams that can come in and actually change the value of the Safari 7s Fred open over to you now I know the Battle of Kondrovas is still with the venue I think that Kasaran will continue hosting Safari 7s but RFEA grounds along Gongrod is a traditional venue for Safari 7s it's strategically located and you know people would prefer going along Gongrod and going at Kasaran which looks vast and probably wouldn't accommodate the fans available your thoughts? I think it's up to the to the union to give this kind of communications where should we use the the 7s and all that so I don't think it's a a really big issue what we need to do is as Robert was saying we must all for fans and build a very good facility just for rugby like now we have the union the union pitch along Gongrod so we need to have a good classic stadium for rugby and I know we can marshal fans and build one because you remember the government although they have not built the football stadiums that they were saying we can I think Odor Ganga for him now bringing back the sponsors and all other stakeholders we can marshal for fans and get a very very good stadium he's trying to at least right now we have a test match in Nakuru he's trying to take rugby around the country not at a specific place so I think he's done a good job up to now of course there are ups and downs we had a series that was concluded some two weeks ago and it was people came in and watched rugby so for him up to now the spot card is well placed if I can put it so you are impressed with this with the venues marshal taking it to to Kasarani I think first they will have to be sure that they have got the fans numbers that can actually take you to Kasarani because you don't want to change it I think at this time it was back at the Gongrod came to Nyayo and then moved to Kasarani that time I think the fans that showed there are numbers here who can come to watch this game outside there but after that I think the fans went down and nothing happened so for them to move out to move the tournament to Kasarani they have to really be sure that they have got numbers coming on to the stadium but without the numbers I think they are refused the best place to be small, intimate, the fans love it, most of the people who attend rugby, attend it at Gongrod and it's the best place to have it there and people come out and enjoy the game definitely, of course that has been the talk with regards to reviewing rugby World Cup it continues in Japan, it's happening right now it's South Africa again it's in Zealand 2013 in favour of the New Zealanders and of course the old blacks looking for to stamp the author it as far as global rugby is concerned it's an epic clash and I think, can we say unanimously that the entire rugby World Cup in Japan this is the version of what the final should look like I think so because I don't think we will witness a scenario where two heavyweights are playing against each other like what is happening right now maybe in the final the two can meet again but we will be looking forward to see how that pan out of course we are taking a short break we will come up next with the fans and we will discuss local and international football remember KPL fixtures on Card National Super League as well and even the talking points as far as football headlines, the players who are injured but you know those who are responsible to take good care of their medication are failed to do so and even the fixtures for the weekend don't go and stay tuned touchline is the show my name is Marcelo Sike