 All right, many thanks for sending us a welcome back. You're still watching the hashtag Y in the morning right here with me, Brian Sarko, but before we get too far, you can start to engage with us on our social media, our Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and which are the platform, even YouTube as well, at 4254 channel. And the hashtag to plug in on is Y in the morning and personally at Brian Sarko 101 now. We're going to go straight up into our interview, first interview of the day. We're going to talk about Mattis, local tourism in Kenya. And joining us at Live in Studio to take us through this conversation is Melvin Akkoth, who is also the CEO for Mel Safari's Tours and Travels, which is a company that's actually, you know, playing a major role in the tourism industry right now. Live in Studio, good morning to you, Melvin. Good morning, Brian, how are you? Nice to meet you. I'm good, thank you. Nice to meet you too. How are you feeling? Thank you so much for having me. I'm feeling good, yeah, thank you. Yeah. Welcome to Y254. Thank you very much. All right, let's go straight up into it. If you were to talk about, you know, Mel Safari's Tours and Travels, how would you describe it and maybe just briefly, some of the things that you do behind the scenes that have impacted the tourism sector at large? Okay. Okay, so at Mel Safari's Tours and Travels, we do just like any other normal traveling tour company, we do travels and tour, we do vacations, we do hotel bookings, we do flight tickets, we do staycations, vacations, bush safaris, Airbnb bookings all over Kenya and East Africa. We also do hotel bookings, I said already, and we also do corporate team building and capacity building, yeah. Capacity team building, because you know, I had a friend of mine who was also in that space, but when the pandemic came, he had to switch to another business because COVID-19 was a disaster. It shook so many companies and organizations and it actually put people on the map, employers, companies, et cetera, who had to actually become so vulnerable to a point they had to let go of people. And on that note, how did your company survive that time, that turbulent time of the COVID-19 pandemic? Yeah, COVID-19 was very disastrous. And I think not even just the tourism sector only. Major companies, they had to let employees go home or something of the sort. And the tourism industry, we got hit really bad because now we wouldn't get visitors from outside due to lockdown and everything. And even within the country, we couldn't get people move around because tourism is just moving around, checking new areas and enjoying yourself. But if you're deprived of that freedom to move around, then as people who are in business organizing such, we were really hit. So we did, of course, some of our employees did go home, but now we are trying to bring them back because they were good employees. But when COVID-19 struck, business went down, really, really down, really, really down. But we're just trying to bring in more methods to help us now survive in such pandemics. COVID-19, in as much as it was disastrous, it was an eye-opener. Like when something like that happens again in the future, what will we do? Yeah, so we are trying to recover as well and we are trying to find mechanisms of survival during such periods. Yeah. And the spring of survival, I'm really interested to know some of the things that you guys are doing to get back afloat because like you mentioned, that COVID-19 season was very dark and turbulent. Are there maybe strategies that you guys have employed to ensure that you continue to stay in business? Yeah, majorly, sometimes we mainly focus on foreign tourists, the ones who come from abroad to Kenya. But now we're trying to focus more on local tourists or rather domestic tourists so that when something like that happens again, we still have our own people who can be able to travel Kenya and even move to East Africa just within so that we still have a way of making a living. Right. Yeah. Which is interesting. When you mentioned also of making a living, so many companies that are out there on the map, some of them have a strategy of how they filter out who should come to work with them, who should not, to your company. Maybe if somebody is watching and they'd be interested to come and work at Mell Safari, because they understand you're the CEO. So basically you're the boss and you're in charge of like overseeing or over-siting who's here and who's not here. Maybe if somebody wanted to come and work with you, is it possible for them to come through? Oh yeah, right. If they want to work with us, they can always drop their CVs or rather their papers at our email. We always have our details on all our social media platforms, from Instagram, Facebook, on Twitter, you can find us at Mell Safari's tours and travels. Yeah, so you can just DM us or rather just send your email. Yeah. Which is okay. Speaking of sending emails, how big is your tours and travels company in terms of even the employment capacity? Because I'm sure it could be like a medium, is it a medium, large, in terms of even the numbers of employees right there? I totally understand. We are an SME, where we are just a startup, but we have a small number that you're working with, but we are always ready to take in people. Right. Yeah. So you're flexible. We are very flexible. Now let's talk about some of the gaps that you guys came to fill on the market, because I think it's last week when I spoke to an IT lady who was telling me that, her friend came up with a package or innovation that wants to help people who have lost their IDs. When you lose your ID, you can go and log in in the website and then you can be able to scan through, there's usually a code number on your ID that can be able to tell where the location of that ID is and then you can later on find out where it is and you can go and pick it up and continue with your life. Now, in terms of solving some of the gaps in the tourism industry, what are some of them that you guys have managed to fill or you're currently working on to ensure that the tourism industry stays afloat as well? Okay. Not in the IT relationship, right? Not in the IT, specifically in the tourism travel. Yeah, yeah, I understand. Now, what we are trying to bring in majorly is to promote local tourism. Number one, I want to, when I ask you, Brian, do you know such a place? I want you to be able to know it. Before I bring people from abroad to check the place, I want you to know Kenya better, I want you to know East Africa better than any other place. So what you're trying to bring in as, let me say, maybe tour agents and operators, we're trying to find ways to embrace local tourism. We're trying to find ways to make people love our own country. You know, it all begins at home. So, yes. So as we look for those hidden gems, as we look for those new spaces, tour-ific spaces, we want you to be able to deploy it to local tourists first before we bring in people, you know, foreigners to come. Foreign tourism. Yeah, and if we measure a lot on local tourism, we're going to build it really strong and it's going to take the tourism sector to another level, who needs to, yeah. Hopefully, I believe you will. Because each and every time, you know, when mountain tourism are talked about, we always talking about, you know, Azungus from another country. It's about, you know, people from Paris, coming to Kenya or Africa. But some of us haven't even, you know, taken up on that chance to travel and go beyond Nairobi. Exactly. Go beyond Mombasa and Akuru, et cetera. And I love the fact that, you know, you guys are feeling it. And speaking of that, which is some of these amazing, beautiful places that, you know, you think Kenyans should go and visit to just promote, you know, tourism in this country? Oh, my God. I mean, Kenya, we have a lot of spaces that we should explore. Starting with maybe our beach areas, Masaimara, Takawiri in the Nyanza area. We have Chalbi Desert. You people go to Dubai, but you haven't explored the Dubai of Kenya. Right. Yeah, so I feel like we need to, you know, take you guys fast to those places. Know every particular corner of Kenya. You know, just enjoy our views and everything before we, you know, start bringing people to see our spaces. And that we can only do maybe when we promote even affordability of, yeah. In terms of prices and charges. The first step is, you know, giving someone a common one inch is something that, you know, they don't have to break a namora length too. You know, visit a park or rather go to Masaimara or rather visit Mombasa. And during this holiday season, I know most of the people are planning for a vacation. Well, it's December. Yeah. This month is actually leading, is introducing us to, you know, Christmas, December, which is like a whole festive season. Yes, yes. So I don't want you guys to go home, you should go for December. Just go on to male safaris tours and travel. We have various packages, affordable packages. Please talk about them. The most affordable, the ones that you offer mostly to, let's say a client who has a very low budget to just start them off for a holiday because you also mentioned team building. Yes, yes, yes. Now, first of all, we also have Lepapolepole. You can put in some little money as time goes by so that by the time Sikya trip in Africa you have, you have already jazzered the whole amount. So in this December we have... How does that happen? Okay, so when, let's say you, Brian, you want to go to Watamu, right? Okay. So our package for Watamu for four days, three nights, we're charging 15K only. So maybe by that time, how to manage Kotoa the whole of 15K like this? You know, so you know the Kenya we live. So you can start paying from now and you can start with as low as 1,000 PKRK. So you can... Yes, yes, yes. So as you continue to pay, we will be giving you your receipts and you know, just keeping you going. And we also give discounts and offers sometimes for travelers when you're making a CC for more than, you know, five times. We offer them discounts as well. So most of our packages are really affordable because we want to tap into the common Wanaichi. Sometimes, you know, traveling doesn't have to be expensive. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't have to be expensive. Each and every time somebody thinks of traveling, they'll be like, do you even have the money for fare? Do you even have the money for accommodation? Exactly. Because you know, let's just say safaris in short or taking trips are so, so, they are so deemed to be so expensive to a point like, you fear to even go on that trip because you'll have to spend money for accommodation, money for food, money for security as well. And security, do you offer security pocket for example, if somebody is using Mount Safari and they want to go to what Tamil like you mentioned, are they guaranteed of a secure stay in their stay cash? Yes, yes, yes, yes. We do, especially for private bookings, we do guarantee you a safe space. The accommodations that we have, they have the best security. Yeah, and if anything happens, we as a company will get in and make sure your safety is awesome. Yeah. Is guaranteed. Is guaranteed, yes. Now, speaking of safety, what are some of the, let's say some of the big achievements that you guys have money to bug for yourself and that you love to share that you would say, you know, this one has really impacted our organization as well as the tourism sector as much. Okay. So, I think we've made strides, which I'm really happy about as a company and as an individual, as the founder and managing director at Melt Safari is to us. And actually this year we managed to bug a nomination as one of the top 30 under 30 CEOs of the year. And I am representing Kenya. Congratulations on that. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. So I'm looking forward to bringing the award home. Right. Is it like a competition that has other safaris or other CEOs? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, it do have in our category tourism and culture. I am representing Kenya, but we have other competitors from East Africa and Africa. Okay. Yeah, so in as much as, you know, we are different countries and everything, we are looking forward to bringing the award home. To bring the award home. Yeah. Hopefully you do. Yeah, it will. Now let's take a look at some of the things that you concede at before you came up with that, you know, it's a travel, a tourism and travel company. Maybe you are there gaps in the tourism industry that you are looking at to ensure that you feel so that, you know, the tourism industry stays afloat. Even in regards to the, let's say the outgoing CS studies, I think CS Anaji Balala who's recently exited office and maybe other differences in the previous regime that you feel like even this one should try and fill in in terms of, from a perspective of you as a CEO and owner of a tourism and travel company. Are there things that you'd love to be changed that you've seen? Yeah, yeah. I think one of the many things that I'd want our CS to, you know, work on rather is just getting our name out there as Kenya. And I mean, as a country, why do I say this? Because you can see countries like Tanzania, they have Zanzibar, they do market as if, they do market as if there's no tomorrow. Like they want people to visit their home. If you see Rwanda, they're really working hard on making sure their name is out there. And I'm just feeling like Kenya, we aren't doing that much. We don't have maybe a channel to just show how our country is beautiful because it is surely, it is. So I'm looking forward to maybe the CS and the ministry at large, finding ways on how to market as a country so that we don't get to suffer, maybe looking for foreign clients or rather the other tourists from abroad. Let's make the work easier, okay? Yes, I would love the ministry to market Kenya as a whole. Or just find ways of marketing Kenya out there. Yeah. And I love the fact that you're talking about how we should just embrace our very own. Because we really take it for granted. Actually, most of the people will talk about, if you ask someone what is your dream holiday destination, they'll be like Maldives. Oh, no. It's give a harm to us, but have you visited Nakuru? Have you visited Watangu? Right, have you visited, does this place, it's also unique in Mombasa, in the coastal region. Why is it, why is the name escaping me? It has a lot of good sandy beaches and the environment is so serene with the sun and the ocean scenario is just epic. Yeah, for example, there is snorkeling in Wasini. We can watch dolphins at home. God, why do we want to go outside before we explore our oil? Right. Yeah, so this is a queue. Before you exit Kenya, to Fadal. Please. I'm very excited to talk to you. I'm very happy to talk to you for another day. Now, you mentioned also team building, I'm really interested. I love team building myself. What happens in that space? Okay, so for team building, we just come together, we work together with corporates, however small, however big. So I know we are approaching India and this is the time where corporates and companies want to take their employees out for, activities, team building and capacity building, just to bring them together. And it's part of appreciating basically. Like a get-together moment of thanking. Exactly. Yeah, some nyamy trauma and games and ice-breaking or whatever. And so what we do, we come in and organize that whole package for corporates and companies. We give you a package maybe inclusive of transport, accommodation, if you guys are doing an overnight thing, we can do camping, if you guys want to explore, we can do just a day trip, take you to one of their destinations in Kenya and just have a full day, a day full of activities. And yeah, it's just a bonding moment for the employees. Fun fair. Fun fair. I love it. You mentioned also Airbnb and it's a very common business nowadays. But one thing that has made me remember that there's a friend of mine who years back, they had a situation at a certain Airbnb and it was told that they had CCTVs connected. So people have feared for their privacy and they'd be like, if you are coming to Airbnb, tell us if you have hidden cameras on beds and even at the loo. And I'm like, what is not happening in this Airbnb now? I totally understand. Now what happens nowadays? One of the regulations that are there is that we need to respect someone's privacy. So when we don't need to have a CCTV in the bathroom or rather in the bedroom, whatever they do there, that's their own business. Under the sink and the vinyl and yeah, it's their own business. There's one that showed that, you know, this air con system, no, it's a fun. The fun air con system. It has a hidden tiny little camera, yes. So everything you do in that room is actually being zoomed on. What is not happening? But you see, the reason someone would want to, a host would want to put a CCTV in their facility is because of maybe they think, of those people who just come to ruin your property or rather, you know, there are people outside here who, you know, they're just drug dealers or something and they come into your facility. Then at the end of the day, you'll be the one who will be asked where is this person. So to avoid such issues, some of the AirBnB hosts prefer to put like CCTVs on their properties. But nowadays one of the regulations is to just respect the privacy of your clients. So nowadays it's a rare case. If you find a CCTV, it's just Quaget, Pali. So we make sure to take more of, you know, written details of our clients so that if anything happens, they are traceable with the details that they gave you. I remember something, there was a case of a policeman who was involved in a murder case with someone they went to a lodging. I don't know if it's an AirBnB also, but maybe it was a hotel. And then I was shocked that the whole footage of everything they did was all in the news headlines. I was like, what? Does it mean that all these hotels have hidden cameras in it? And then in front of mine was telling me that all these five-star hotels have hidden cameras in it. So he was trying to tell me, hey, Saku, if you ever go to any five-star hotel and show what you do in that room is actually right. So I was really scared. There's a friend of mine who is scared to actually go to sleep at a five-star hotel even to shower, because you're being monitored. When you go to the urinal, you're being monitored and you shower, being monitored. So it's quite a scary thing. And I love the fact that, you know, you talked about the regulations that should be there. Now let's come back to also ensuring sustainability in the tourism industry as well. There may be some of the things that you are looking for to ensure that, you know, that industry stays afloat in as much as from an individual point of view as a company to just ensure that, you know, you guys are afloat. Yeah, okay. So one of the sustainability measures that I suppose or I think the ministry rather should put in place is just affordable, affordability. Affordability in general. Accessing the parks shouldn't be like, we shouldn't be like paying, saving for like a whole year just to visit a park or other something of the sort. Just affordability. Just make, put in the common monarchy in mind. Yeah, someone who just wants to wake up and visit the national park, Nairobi National Park is here. Someone who just wants to wake up and, you know, go to Masaimara or go to the coast or go to Chalbi, go to Takawiri. Yeah, yeah, just like make, we want to make it some, we want to bring in affordability as a factor. Yeah, because it all starts from home and we know in, we want to not make it as more expensive as it is deemed. Yeah, tourism doesn't have to sound that. Look, that is, this is domestic. Yeah. And you mentioned ticketing, does that mean you also deal with flights? Like there's clients who come to you, they want to go to, there's this, there's this location that a lot of people go to a lot. Where? The name is a schedule. Maybe they want to go there and they want to book like a private jet. They don't want to go to like a public name plan. One at a tree layer. Private, yeah. Yeah, do you offer also such packages as well? Yeah, we do, we do offer flight ticketing as well. Maybe you want to move to Alabama or Singapore. Yeah. Maldives. Maldives. Mauritias. Yeah, we will be there to help you with your flight ticketing and details as well. And even local flights as well. If you need to book a flight to Mombasa or Lamo, we will be there to assist. Even outside countries? Yes, yes. Sorry, the East African region. Yes. Like do you guys help people with passports? Yes. We do, if you need a passport or a visa, we do also help you with that. Okay. Yeah, we customize all these details to what you want us to do to you. If you want maybe to visit Uganda, Kampala, that you don't, if someone doesn't have a passport, the passport, they can always obtain the temporary passport from a citizen. That is like 350 only. So if you need assistance with that, we can always assist you. And with also other visa applications and other details that someone might need when they want to move from outside Kenya to another country. And also we do assist our clients who move from other countries coming to Kenya. So we give them a whole itinerary of what to do. From the moment they step their feet in the country to all the activities that they'll engage in and yeah, until they return. Until they're done. And for somebody who's watching at home and they want to actually maybe be a CEO of a tourist and travel company and they want to start it for themselves, where do they start and how can they go about it to a level that you are, that you've also been nominated in a tourist and travels competition as well. Oh, okay. So it all starts with passion. Okay. Yeah, if you love what you do, you will go beyond boundaries. Right. Yeah, so if you're very passionate enough in the travel and tourism sector, it starts, user starts. Look for a mentor. Right. Someone who can guide you from step A to step B. And I think we make these mistakes so that the people who are coming behind us shouldn't make the same mistakes. So if you, someone who wants to start this, just look for someone you look up to and let them mentor you. Let them show you the direction. Let them tell you the mistakes that you shouldn't repeat that you did and let them guide, just guide you throughout. Very funny though. Yeah. So after you get a mentor, if you just study the markets, know your niche and just dive through. Right. Yeah. Because you know, somebody would think it's a whole research. I have to go, but did you study like a tourism hospitality? Not really. You didn't have like a background in that field? No, I didn't study journalism in campus. Oh, you studied journalism? Yeah. So you should be on this end. Yeah, yeah. Let the diversity of like, you know, be between multi-skilled. And I love it. Now, let's talk about now the investment part of it. How do you go from, you know, exchanging contacts to knowing people, creating conversations, the whole networking shebang, how do you get into it to a point you're now fortified and solidified in this space? They say your network is your network. Exactly. Yeah, you need to talk to people. You need to interact with people. You need to, you know, know people in your area or circle of influence. Just know what this person does. Interact, exchange, you know, views and contacts as well. And I think one of the things that have really helped me or rather helped me grow and reach maybe where I am right now is just, you know, having conversations with people, just networking, having the first Ohanga to want to know who is this person, what do they do? Can we do something together? I do tours. You do this. Can we be able to work together or just partner in some way, yeah? Right. Yeah, and also just to assist each other in life. No money is an island. So one time I'll need you or one time you'll need me and maybe, yeah, yeah. Right, yeah. And at some point you mentioned behind the scenes we have this conversation. You mentioned that, you know, you don't have a physical location. You said yours is virtual, which is very unique, you know? Because a lot of tourism and travels companies have, companies have a physical location in town or somewhere else where, you know, like you guys have to do a dispatchment or you guys have to do an assignment where you're going to meet several clients here and there. And how do you coordinate that since now it's virtual in terms of even the vehicles and everything? Yeah, so technically we are moving, it's 2022, we are moving to, you know, technologically we are moving to, you know, somewhere or some point where we will all operate maybe virtually one time. So we are just starting to embrace it as early as now. So we do operate virtually, not fully, because sometimes when you need to meet our clients, we can always organize for that. So for issues of maybe having our pickup points or rather meet up points with clients, normally we prefer meeting clients or rather picking them at their homes or places and sometimes we prefer meeting them in town or rather picking them in CBD in town. We maintain a communication channel with our clients so they are fully satisfied and they are fully, you know, they get the services they need from us fully. Yeah. Right, because also the diversity of it all makes it even more beautiful. Now who has been your biggest, let's say your biggest support system in terms of, because this is an individual startup for me, right? You started it on your own and look here you are. Who would you say has been your biggest support system that you know, put you up to where you are right now, that you can mention them and give them credit and say, hey, you, does this song by, I think it's by Beyonce or Sierra that says upgrade you. You really upgraded me. Yeah. Right. Wow, okay. The list could be long or short, but I think one person or rather, it's not one person, it's a group of people. I think the group of people that have really uplifted me to where I am right now is just my network of other tour agents and tour operators. They've been able to mentor some of us. It's not even just a matter of competition. We, sometimes we learn from each other, we move from point A to point B, holding hands. And I think why it's not for that team, or rather the people, my fellows in the industry, I wouldn't be here. They've been a great support team. And also my dad, he's been able to push me from, you know, I studied journalism and now, you're telling me you're doing tourism. What do you mean? Did you ever see yourself when they're going that direction? No way, no. How much lack of a job? Lack of a journalism job that led you to that? Not really, because I started tourism back in campus while I was finishing. So I got into entrepreneurship before getting into corporate and employment. So when I got into employment and I could balance between my household and also working for someone, it was really, it was, I could balance, yeah? Until now I decided maybe I could focus on tourism for now. Because it was making you money, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my dad kept on pushing me and at first I know it was, it sounded really like, what do you mean? Are you serious? This is something you're going to go with, you know? And I was like, I don't know what to do, but you know, let's do it. I think we are, at this age, it's when we are supposed to take those risks, make those mistakes and learn from them. So if you have to do it now. Right. Just start. You mentioned that, always start any time. Yeah, they say getting the work half done is starting. Yes, it's starting. Because starting it is like the biggest achievement. And I want to say, I want to be a doctor. Can you start researching on how to be a good doctor, right? Before we get to your lowest moments and some of the most uplifting moments in your industry as well, what are some of the strategies that you have in terms of ensuring that you have credible sustainability for yourself individually now, not as a local travel centurism sector at large? Individually. Yes. Okay, okay. I think one of the main things that I've done individually that has helped me even run the company is just trying to be a people's person. Yeah, just when you find attending these gatherings or attending these networking sessions, just go out there and put your name out there. Yeah, put yourself out there. Yeah, put yourself out there. Throw yourself in the deep end. Yes. When you start swimming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, as we wind up your most, let's say your most life-changing moments that were big, that made you like let's say have some good harvest and then most lowest moments that were really also life-changing as well. Okay, I'll start with the lowest moments. Okay. So I think running the company, one of my very, very lowest moments when the cells are not there, just like any other business, you can try as much as you do it, market everywhere, put yourself out there still, but at the end of the day you still find, I don't have nothing at the table. So you find it's very depressing sometimes. And for someone who decided to shift to entrepreneurship, fully, you're like, so you're just there, you're like, was it supposed to be this stuff? It's a duck list. You have to do it anyway. Yeah, you have to, otherwise you have to pick yourself up. And speaking of picking yourself up, that is one of the strongest moments. You will fail, not once, not twice, not thrice. You will fail continuously. But the main thing is, what do you do after failing? Learn from it. Good question. Pick yourself up. What do you do when everything fails? What do you do? Do you go down, down by yourself? Best people will be like, oh, me I'm done. Me I'm done. Don't quit before the magic happens. So I do pick myself up, see whatever, what do I need to do? Should I change my strategies or something? So I think in that line, then also one of my major highlights, rather high moments, was the very first time I got my international club. Oh, amazing. Congratulations. When was this? I think it was two years ago or something. When we were just starting and, you know, we were embracing local tourists as well. But when the international clients come in, they get your name out there. They're able to refer you to other people. And once you give them a top notch service, trust you, me, you're going to get referrals. And that applies in any other business out there. Make sure your customer service is very perfect. So that the people will receive your services, be your, like, your marketers. They will go spread your name out there because, hey, I went to Watamu with male safaris, two of them traveled. You guys should try that. It was a nice experience. Yeah. So that was one of my highest moments. Yeah. All right. As we exit, because this is the last question. I'd like you to tell people some of the visions that you have for your organization as well. And if somebody wants to access your company, where can they find it, and et cetera. And some of the packages that you guys have that will entice them to enjoy that, John. OK. So, OK. So one of our visions is to make sure we maintain sustainability in the industry. We want to, as I earlier said, tourism doesn't have to be expensive. You don't have to break a leg or an arm to visit Chalbi or visit Mombasta or visit Takawiri. Right. Yeah. Lamu. You don't have to. Watamu. Watamu, Watamutamu. So you don't have to think so much about, hey, am I going to manage or am I going to afford this package? So if you're looking for affordable packages, check on our social media platforms at male safaris, two of them traveled on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. And also, you can check me out, Melvin, underscore our course on Instagram as well. And we have two major packages for December. Most of the December packages were private, but we didn't want to leave the common one out. So we have a trip to Watamu and Takawiri. Brian, do you know Takawiri? You know, put me on the map. You know, I want to go to Bahamas, but I even don't know where Takawiri is. Look at me now. Sure, are you? That is how much I need to explore this country. I think we will find out. Are you giving us a package as Y254 so that we go? Because there's the Y in the morning, Tim. If you guys cooperate and you know. I mean, why not? Why not? Yeah, we could give you a package to Takawiri. Takawiri is in Nyanza. It's one of the spaces we discovered. I think two years ago, a year or two ago, it's one of the gems in Nyanza. Absolutely. It's in Rusinga Island. Right. Yes, so as we continue to explore and, you know, unravel and unpackage Kenya, we want to find those hidden spaces that are beautiful to explore. And Kenya, right? Yeah, we decided that this Jamhurri holiday in December, we are heading to Takawiri. Very affordable package. Three days tonight. It's going to be lit. And what time was well? Just check more of our packages on our social media platforms, and we are always online to assist you. Do you have a number because you said you're virtual? Yes, we do have a number. So you can get us on 0702-6745-60 or 0735-168-750. All right, absolutely. We can call it a day now. Thank you so much for your time. And Melvin, our co-CEO of Mel, Sepharis, to us and travel as well. Thank you. Thank you so much for your insights, your time, and everything you've shared. Thank you so much, Brian. It was a pleasure. Welcome. And now we are going to take a short break. We come back to check out what you guys are saying on the social media platforms. 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