 Daily Tech News show is made possible by you listening right now. Thanks to you, maybe you're Kelly Cook or Scott Hepburn or Jelf Wilkes or our brand new patron, Douglas. Everybody welcome, Douglas. Hi, Douglas. On this episode of DTNS CES 2024 rolls on and we have battery developments, matter casting. And Molly Wood tells us about the flying car. Wait, Van, wait, she'll explain. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, January 9th, 2024 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from Studio Animal House. I'm Sarah Lane in Las Vegas. I'm Molly Wood and I'm the show's producer, Roger J. Yes, I'm not in LAM and LV. That's right. I'm Ron Burgundy to myself there. Are you Tom Merritt? I'm Tom Merritt. I'm in CEO. I don't really know, actually, after being in CES for a few days. We are going to get to a bunch of CES news. We've got some non-CES news first, then a bunch of quick CES news. And then we're going to talk to Molly Wood about some batteries and some airplanes. So, Molly, thank you for your patience while we've waved through the three thousand announcements. Yeah. For the video viewers, you can just kind of give your reactions as we perfect. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's start with the quick hits. Apple has announced more details about the Apple Vision Pro shipping February 2nd. Pre-orders begin January 19th at 8 a.m. You can use it with a solo knit band or loop band, which will both be included in the price. You also get a light seal, two seal cushions, a cover, a polishing cloth, a battery, a charging cable and a power adapter, all for the low, low price of three thousand four hundred ninety nine. Optical inserts are available for ninety nine dollars if they're just reading glasses, but one hundred forty nine dollars if they're specific prescription. If you want one, you will need to act fast because analyst Ming-Chi Quo believes the demand combined with his supply estimates, it should sell out after it is available for pre-order or sale resulting in a longer shipping time. Apple also updated Xcode to let developers submit their VisionOS apps to the App Store. And of course, as with all submissions, there are guidelines for what will be accepted in Apple's VisionOS App Store. Among those guidelines, Apple asks developers not to use the terms AR augmented reality, VR virtual reality, XR extended reality or MR mixed reality to describe their apps. Instead, they should call them spatial computing apps. That is so Apple of Apple. The Chinese state backed Beijing Institute claims it has cracked Apple's AirDrop security and can identify the phone numbers and email addresses of senders who share content over AirDrop. A representative for Beijing's judicial bureau told Bloomberg quote, it improves the efficiency and accuracy of case solving. The Beijing Institute has not commented on how the claim hack is done beyond saying that it involves accessing an iPhone's encrypted device log, which would require the phones sending and or receiving information to be confiscated. Meta announced it will expand the type of posts it restricts from being shown to teens on Instagram and Facebook. Users under 18 will no longer be able to opt out of the restrictions on content that meta determines is harmful. And in the case of 16 years or younger sexually explicit that includes searches and posts shared by friends restricted content includes self harm graphic violence and eating disorders don't post about recovering from an eating disorder is not restricted Facebook and Instagram's algorithms already don't recommend such content, but now teens won't see it anywhere even if they're searching or friends posted. The European Commission said that it is examining whether Microsoft's 13 billion dollar investment into open AI and the deep ties between the two companies laid bare as a result of open AI's board mutiny back in December should be vetted under the blocks merger rules. EU antitrust commissioner Margaret Vestiger said virtual worlds and generative AI are rapidly developing. It's a fundamental that these new markets stay competitive and that nothing stands in the way of businesses growing and providing the best and most innovative products to consumers. San Francisco based video game software provider Unity software is laying off 25% of its workforce about 1800 employees. CEO Jim Whitehurst wrote in a memo to all Unity employees. We're reducing the number of things we are doing in order to focus on our core business and drive our long term success and profitability. Now, Weishurst didn't provide specifics on structural changes to come, but a company spokesperson confirmed there will be additional changes coming. This is the fourth round of layoffs the company has conducted since July 2022. So even employees who didn't get laid off today still have to wait and see over the next several months whether they're going to get laid off or not. This story technically happened at CES since it was announced during a press event in Las Vegas. But SAG-AFTRA that's the actors union has reached an agreement with replica studios to license actors voices for use by AI in video games. The agreement includes minimum rates to replicative voice limitations on how long a replica can be used and some safe storage and transparency requirements. It does not allow for the choices to be used to train language models. However, but they will continue to talk about making that happen in the future. The union is still negotiating with lots of other video game companies and the workers authorized a strike to happen if that is needed. All right. That's the non-CES quick hits Molly. How'd you do? Great. Yeah, sorry. I could not contain my laughter about how you can now refer to this 70 year old technology under Apple's new rules. Yeah. All right. Let's get into the CES quick hits Intel announced a lineup of 14th gen mobile and desktop processors. The core HX series of desktop replacement mobile processors comes in five flavors. Tell me if you love these flavors for Core i9 14900 HX delicious core i7 14700 HX core i7 14650 HX core i5 14500 HX and of course every kid's favorite the core i5 14450 HX get in my belly delicious. The core HX layout will be identical to their 13th generation Raptor Lake predecessors but with faster peak speeds. So these are not meteor like these are Raptor Lake. The exception is the core i7 14700 HX which gains an extra four efficiency cores company also revealed 18 new desktop processors. A sampling of models include the $549 flagship core i9 14900 24 cores split between eight performance at 16 efficiency cores runs at a base of 65 Watts with a peak draw of 219 Watts. In the middle is the 14 core i5 14600 that one's $255 at the bottom is the two core Intel processor 300 a mere 82 bucks like the mobile counterpart of the desktop core i7 14700 gains an extra four efficiency cores and a subset of chips will also come in F meaning they don't have integrated graphics and T meaning they are power efficient low power variants Intel briefly showed off a physical example of its next gen mobile processor Lunar Lake at the Intel client open house keynote Lunar Lake uses on package memory which should interest thin and light laptop makers because it eliminates the space needed on a motherboard for separate RAM but that's similar to what Apple's M series sock does as well. Sony had some announcements announcing a spatial content creation system that seems more like a hollow lens than an Apple Vision Pro although kind of remains to be seen it will let professionals create 3D models while wearing the headset running on Qualcomm's Snapdragon XR 2 plus gen 2 platform with 4K OLED displays the front part of the headset will flip up to let you switch between virtual and physical spaces. It was demonstrated with two controllers a ring and a pointer Sony showed it being used to work on a robot we don't have price yet coming later this year though. Also Sony's EV collaboration with Honda is still in the development stage but Sony showed off the Xsella again by driving it on stage using a PlayStation DualSense controller. MSI introduced its claw handheld PC gaming device running on Intel's Meteor Lake core ultra processors meaning it can upscale graphics with Intel's ZSS Tech has a 7 inch 1080p 120 Hertz IPS LCD screen claims two hours of battery life under a full load pretty good also uses Hall effect triggers and joysticks Hall effect triggers and joysticks don't use magnets so they don't have the touching parts so they don't wear out and drift and all that good stuff as cooling system with vents runs MSI center M software on top of Windows 11 so that's how you get your shortcuts to games also as an Android app player built in you can do it with others but this one makes it easy MSI claw models range from six hundred ninety nine dollars to seven hundred ninety nine dollars shipping in the first half of the year. Anchor showed off two new G2 chargers at CES G2 is compatible with Apple's MagSafe there's a foldable three in one called the MagGo wireless charging station that goes for one hundred ten dollars sixty six hundred milliamp battery MagGo power bank for seventy dollars and the eight in one MagGo magnetic charging station aka the orb for one hundred dollars the power bank does attach magnetically although it's too big to carry around practically in everyday life I don't know I mean unless you just like carrying things around however it has a foldable bit so you can turn it into a stand the orb has two USB A ports two USB C ports and three AC outlets so theoretically these could all work with the Android devices once there are more Android devices that support G2 and anchor is the only company with G2 devices to touchy showed off its own nice looking stuff to a little bit pricey ones a folding stand that can charge earbuds on the base and a phone on the stand the other adds the ability to charge an Apple watch on the back both will be available in Q two eighty dollars for the two in one and a hundred thirty dollars for the three in one. Aces announced the ROG ROG phone eight series running on Qualcomm's Snapdragon 8 gen three chip with a one hundred sixty five Hertz display and a thirty two megapixel front camera. It also has a IP68 dust and water resistance and conduction cooling system that uses boron nitrate. It also features an improved fifty fifty megapixel camera fifty and Zenfone's six axis hybrid gimbal stabilizer to improve low light shooting the ROG phone eight starts at one thousand one hundred dollars coming in February to the UK with Europe and US releases dates to follow. And also a lot of you know that Aces took over the old Intel NUC design Aces announced its first mini PC for gaming the ROG NUC with core ultra CPUs up to an Nvidia RTX 4070 GPU and support for 4K displays and Wi-Fi 6E but you know still no price release date. Lenovo announced the Thinkbook plus Gen five hybrid that can be a desktop or laptop and an Android tablet when used as a laptop it runs Windows but you can remove that display which then becomes a fully functional Android tablet. The remaining part can still operate like a desktop with the addition of an external monitor obviously the two computers do not share files automatically though. So you can't keep working from one and then you know go over to the other without manually syncing or using the cloud the Thinkbook plus Gen five hybrid ships in Q2 starting at one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. That's a that's a cool looking one. I'm hoping to see that one tonight at show stoppers then there's the Lenovo Tab M 11. It's just a nice 11 inch Android tablet with a 90 Hertz display but it's a hundred seven nine bucks not bad Lenovo says it will keep it updated from launch in April twenty twenty four through twenty twenty eight. So I mean it's not that long but it's long for a tablet. Good job Lenovo nicely done. Let's talk about robots. Samsung first showed off a spherical robot called Belly at CES back in 2020 remember that days. Well it's back. It's the size of a bowling ball last two to three hours on a charge and its spatial LiDAR sensors can help it navigate as it rolls around and can project 1080p video for movies or video calls or work whatever you might need as a second PC monitor. Seriously it automatically adjusts the picture based on lighting and wall distance. So you know it's it's it's a smart robot. You can control it by voice or text messages. It can also control smart home devices even some non smart devices with an infrared transmitter but as always no price or really stay yet just like in 2020 Samsung also demonstrated a new kind of foldable display called the in and out flip. It looks like a Z Flip like Galaxy Z Flip with a six point seven inch display that folds up into a clamshell but it doesn't have a cover screen. However you can also fold it the other way so that the screen is on the outside not the inside and now your cover is only screen Samsung also demonstrated something called the flip lipple. Come on Molly. I don't like that. No. Lipple is just a portmanteau of light and simple. Obviously. Why wouldn't you call it that? Is it lipple anyway? It's meant to be a it's meant to be a more affordable option because instead of having a cover screen it leaves part of the main display visible for notifications when folded so it doesn't match up. It leaves a little bit on purpose. No word on when the lipple or the in and out flip might come to actual shipping defense. Oh how very see you because I got the notification on my lipple. I don't know. I hate it. Every time anyone says lipple I'm like lipple. It's upsetting. Pivotal brought it Helix personal VTOL VTOL aircraft to PEPCOMs digital experience last night to celebrate its announcement that you can now order one for $19,000. The lightweight aircraft doesn't require a pilot's license but you will need to get some training from Pivotal in order to use it. The FAA forbids flying these kinds of part 103 aircraft near airports or over congested areas. Helix gets 20 miles of range and takes 75 minutes to charge. The first models will start delivery in the U.S. all starting on June 10th. You can place an order with a non refundable $250 deposit but you'll need to secure your production date with a further $50,000 within five days. So you really you really want to you really need to want it. When one of our rich friends buys these will you ride in it? Yes, the answer is yes. There we go. Can I ask a clarifying question? Is it $19,000 or $50,000 or is there a $19,000 version? That is a very good question. Because $19,000 is pretty good. $19,000, not $19,000. Okay. There we go. $19,000. That makes sense. That does change things somewhat. I was like, I mean, I don't have $19,000 but like I was like, okay, $19,000, okay, I'm priced out. If anyone who is very wealthy would like to fly me around, I'm your man. And you know who you are. All right. That's a look at all of the quick hits. We made it. If you can't get enough Android in your life, we've got a show for you called Android faithful every week Android aficionados, Ron Richards, when Tweedow and Jason Howell bring you the latest Android news and information and you can watch it live right here on this same channel. YouTube.com daily tech news show twitch.tv slash good day internet Tuesdays at 8 p.m. Eastern 5 p.m. Pacific or just get it when you want it by subscribing to the feed at Android faithful.com. If you've ever listened to a podcast hosted by Molly Wood in the past couple of years, you might have run across the topic that lithium mining is a little controversial. In fact, that's where I learned the most about it, but the demand for batteries with lithium is not going away. In fact, it's expected to rise 10 times by 2030 Microsoft and the US Pacific Northwest National Laboratory announced a new battery material. They call N2116 that could reduce lithium use by 70%. Microsoft used Azure Quantum Elements, which doesn't have anything to do with quantum computing confusingly. It combines a lot of deep learning machine learning type of stuff with Azure super computing to kind of turbocharge your AI development. And it was able to take tens of millions of possibilities and narrow them down to 18 potential inorganic materials that could do the job of reducing lithium in two weeks. That's faster than the usual couple of years. It takes just to narrow down the possibilities. And then from inception to figuring out which of those worked and making a working prototype took nine months. It's a solid state electrolyte, which makes it less volatile as well as possibly holding more capacity and longer battery life. So and not just battery life when you use it, but like the battery would last longer before it stops working like lithium ion batteries eventually do. So far, the new material has been demonstrated powering up a light bulb and according to fast company running a clock that they bought on Amazon and then modified the implication here are both for lithium conservation. Of course, sustainability, but also the effects of AI on the speed of research and development and Molly, you've been following this space really closely. What's your first impression of this? Yeah, I mean, this has been the, you know, when people sort of say AI is going to it's going to fix health and it's going to be great for transportation and this and that. And then they go and also climate and and this is one of the big house actually because materials research has been a key blocker in moving forward. A lot of these technologies, particularly battery technology, lithium is, you know, abundant, but mining is ugly and it's expensive to get and it's just this kind of whole complicated situation. And a lot of it lives in Afghanistan and China and things like that. So the ability to speed up this kind of materials research, which a lot of scientists say is it's like basic science, right? That when I did how we survive, which was now what I don't know, five years ago or something four years ago. Time has no meaning. I interviewed scientists working on battery technology and they were like, it's a 40 year job. There's just no getting around it unless AI can speed it up. And this is one of the first big examples of AI speeding it up. This feels like a really big and yeah. So so two two years to two weeks is the big big stat there, right? Because you look at the nine months and that that's good. But the nine months is from the millions of possibilities to the working prototype. So I feel like the nine months is kind of fast in development. But that's probably what it would have been otherwise. It would have been the extra couple of years of figuring out the the actual ones to test. And you probably would have had more to test than just the 18. The nine months feels fast too. And it could be as a result of the materials breakthrough, like something that's less flammable. They don't have to do better options, better options, but it still feels fast. And then the final hurdle will of course be the speed to commercialization like great. Sure. You're you ran a clock. When do you get in a car? Yeah. And we don't have any word on that. This is just them saying, hey, we made it work. Right. I'm not trying to buzz kill it. No, no, but that is a three step process. And that last one is hard. It reminds me of when your favorite author's book gets optioned for a movie and you get excited about the movie, but then it takes decades for, you know, for it to actually turn into a commercial reality. Yeah, hopefully this won't take decades. If you don't want to wait for these new batteries, anchor also announced a power station on wheels called the Solix F 38 hundred. The unit itself is three point eight four kilowatt hours, but it can reach a max of twenty six point nine kilowatt hours. If you add enough expansion batteries, which you have to buy separately, it can output up to six thousand watts of dual voltage combined with the second one. You can get twelve thousand watts and fifty three point eight kilowatt hours. You're talking about ten thousand dollars or so at that point, but that's roughly enough to power an average U.S. home for a couple of days. It can also connect to solar panels so that it can recharge and act as a portable generator. It can even charge an electric vehicle anchors also bundling them into kits that will include power panels that you'll need if you want to power your home with it. You'll need an electrician to install those. But it would let the anchor work as a battery backup for your house. There's also a transformer for collecting energy from solar panels. If you have those, you can buy that as well. It's a little box, though not one fixed to a wall. If you know anchor announced a wall mounted battery. They did that last year and it's expected later this year. This is different than that. This is a little more flexible than that. The Solix F 38 hundred is shipping now starting at four thousand bucks. And of course, one of the heritage whole home battery backup makers eco flow also announced their home battery backup. The delta pro ultra that can take in power from up to 42 solar panels scale up to 90 kilowatt hours. You can get the delta pro ultra now for five thousand seven hundred ninety nine dollars. The electric panel to connect it to your home is an extra thousand eight hundred ninety nine. And of course, you still need an electrician to do that. But kind of cool to have these kinds of options. I really like if anybody is, you know, has been playing around with the stuff to say like this has saved me X amount of dollars versus, you know, the traditional way of just, you know, paying paying Edison or whoever. Well, because the eco flow can actually charge from your main power, your Edison or whatever at non peak times so that it's cheaper and then give you the power at peak times. Yeah, I think that math does exist and there are increasingly programs. What I think is really compelling actually is the programs by utilities that are going to start to give you a rebate or a break or money back like you can already opt in to things like the Nest program where they automatically adjust your power and then you get like a two hundred dollar gift certificate. But I think we're getting toward a universe where utilities are going to have to give sort of more proper kickbacks. Although honestly for people who have dodgy power and turns out across America, that's a huge thing now. It's less, you know, it's like the savings is still being able to work and not having to throw away all your food and not freezing to death in your house. Yeah, yeah, right. That could that could be worth it on its own. We told you ahead of CES that there'd be a lot of matter news. Sarah, there's more matter news. Yeah, matter is about to matter more at CES on Tuesday. Amazon announced a new airplay like feature called matter casting with the goal of making it easy to send video from an iOS or Android device to Amazon devices. Those devices being fire TV boxes and fire TV sticks. The Echo show 15 for example. Now Amazon doesn't have its own smartphone ecosystem kind of tried back in the day. Just didn't stick. So at first the feature is only going to send content from prime video app to Echo show devices. So if you have one great fire TV support coming in the in the coming months content from platforms like Plex or Pluto TV sling TV stars ZDF eventually matter casting as part of a bigger announcement that Amazon previously made alongside Apple and Google for matter based smart home appliances. But I think we're we're starting to see some real use cases here. Yeah. And theoretically you could see Google and Apple who are part of the matter standard do matter casting practically. I'm not really expecting any time soon but it's good to see Amazon putting it out in the marketplace a little more and on the note of smart home stuff Google is expanding its smart home integration announcing Tuesday at CES that it's Google based LG TVs plus some Google TV and other Android TV products can now function as Google home hubs without you having to get a nest device. Although if you do have a nest device that will still work as intended. Molly does any of this sound appealing to you. I mean how have we been podcasting together for this many decades. And we're still trying to figure out what can I mean we spent half an hour before the show trying to figure out what way to send some things to air drop is working should I do the iCloud link or the Google drive only your air drop I only see your phone not your computer and I just emailed it as an all there's an attachment just email it but then I say the link but then you can only get the videos but not share the link. Oh it's an HEIC like I don't really want to hear about a thing that can only cast from this to that for now and also aren't they no longer making those things that it can only cast you like aren't they like definitely they're still making the echo show. I mean a lot of rumors that they were going to cancel it but they haven't yet and they will then I feel confident in investing a lot into I feel like those rumors were exaggerated but maybe that's just me. Anyway you see where I'm going here. Yeah all these walled gardens you're you're you're not jumping into the matter pool yet for matter casting for I mean the whole promise of matter is that it's not a walled garden right that that's that's the that's the fun thing about it and to have more companies on board like okay you know Amazon saying hey you know you want to watch Thursday night football you can you can what did they call it. No I forget we can matter cast it to your television that sort of thing like all of that stuff makes a lot of sense to me. I feel like matter has been this promise of interoperability for some time but always fill a little theoretical rather than you know productive. And it relies on a lot of players getting into the pool if you will and unfortunately will always still have that one giant hold out and it'll be Apple. Yeah no it will for sure although you'll be able to use Prime Video on iOS to matter cast to a matter cast capable TV which right now is just a fire TV but I'll give Amazon the credit on this one they're using the standard. Yes they only have control over their own devices them saying like hey Plex and stars are going to do it to that's cool that's not them benefiting Amazon that's them also adopting the standard which they're probably doing because Amazon did it and they wouldn't have done it otherwise so you kind of need these steps to eventually get it to be a standard so yes. Yeah I'm not knocking the effort yeah yeah in the slightest I just we've seen this promise we've seen the hope of interoperability we've just been burned before and I can't open my heart again now you're absolutely right as a matter of fact Sarah there there there is another announcement that goes the opposite direction from matter cast yeah and that one comes from LG which also announced Chromecast functionality and it's new 2024 lineup of TVs LG's web OS platform didn't previously support Chromecast although it has supported Apple Airplay since 2019 so hey we're all playing together in the pool. Yeah we just you have to know which devices support which protocols to cast which it's still it's still a little bit of a mess but I feel like we're getting closer yeah yeah. All right Molly so far at CES you've moderated a conversation about the convergence of AI and climate tech. You went to Supernals EV tall announcement and you took a hyper loop here to the central hall apparently I've accidentally wandered into the hyper loop. Yep so that's fun that's fun. Let's let's talk supernal let's talk EV tall this is this is Hyundai's effort right. Yeah it's a Hyundai Motors division basically and they formed they were sort of a they announced to like a pre prototype in 2020 apparently and didn't have a name yet it was sort of just a guy who'd been at NASA for 30 years and Hyundai seen what they could do and now they have coalesced into Supernal and they had a big announcement this morning right before this show and I'm really so EV tall electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles right that's what that stands for. And I'm excited about the potential of these because they represent a very sort of sustainability mobility step now there are a lot of hurdles right I will I will give the same critique that I give to Amazon which is like you got to get people to accept flying cars or buses or whatever this is yeah whatever they're going to be but they're all electric they're short hop vehicles that are in theory being built to FAA standards in terms of safety and as they talked about in this press event today or alluded to it's likely that this is the kind of thing that's going to appear in let's say Europe first where they're already effectively banning short haul flights jet fuel flight flights for climate reasons. So this is really considered a very promising technology there are already drones that use this vertical takeoff and landing technology with batteries but that obviously carrying of passengers would be a big jump forward. Yeah, so they got to meet all those FAA hurdles of part parts one, two and three the production certification air carrier pass all of that stuff right exactly so the supernal so that the concept that they unveiled today I mean by the way just like classic CES awesomeness it felt like the good old days of CES where I was just sitting in a chair and then a wall went up and there was a freaking airplane and it's like an electric plane it's got a million it's being too right like this isn't that personal thing like we were talking about earlier that you can buy but it's small Yeah, this is huge Yeah, this carries up to four passengers plus a pilot it's initially they say they're going to be doing commercial flights by 2028 and then it'll initially be 20 to 45 mile hops so like a typical sort of helicopter trip or like up and down like coastal hops is kind of a big if you're a billionaire in the audience your helicopter trip to the airport might be replaced by one of these hopefully but if you're not a billionaire you might actually be able to take one of these Yeah, right like you could take this to JFK you know or to LAX got help instead of driving across Los Angeles Yeah, I mean they're in the same category as Joby and Wisk but they they do have that Hyundai Motors kind of backing so a lot of money a lot of battery tech development because of course I think a huge amount of what will determine the success or not is whether they can get big enough batteries made cheaply enough to make this thing work they say it's a modular design though so that as battery technology improves they can just swap it in and out Oh, that's good Well, Hyundai has some good modular systems going on in their other vehicles so having them be the backer of this or the organizer owner of it is is an advantage because you know as soon as you get all of your approvals you can ramp up manufacturing much more quickly than you would if you need to find a partner right and you know you're not starting from scratch like a I mean I all do respect to Joby the incredible work in the EV tall space but you're not starting from scratch there you've got a huge kind of it's a bigger hill to climb infrastructure behind you yeah also let me just stress again how fun it is like it was I've been to CES and a lot in several years and how fun it is to just sit in a room and have a walk them up in there and there's a giant SUV so that's what I'm here for the airplane there yeah let's go so you're going to get in one of these sounds like chance it takes it off so what about you sure yeah all right so I don't I mean Tom what about you like are there any solved like crazy flags no I just prefer to take my own helix you know my personal Eric of course yeah that's what's going to happen we're going to have all these people with helix sees helices he the ones you the one you could buy yourself that what you said and then it's going to crowd up the airway actually you can't take that to the airport because you can't fly in the airport so you would have exactly you'd have to be able to take one of these details and all joking aside I am looking looking forward for an airplane I'm looking for these to to become common I'm looking for these to be the promise that we've been hearing for 10 years I mean I've got I covered VTOL the first year of DTNS I'm pretty sure I covered it on TNT and even BOL before and VR like air mobility electric or otherwise has long been promised yeah we'll see excellent well anything else on on the on the concept before we wrap up Molly I'm thinking I'm pondering whether there was anything else I heard that is particularly compelling you know no I think we hit the high points like it's a hope springs eternal kind of thing I think we all want to get cars off the road and quiet electric all electric transportation like the the barrier to mobility massive mobility changes is always adoption it's like if it doesn't fit into your workload that you're already used to yeah yeah yeah people get confused by the idea of taking a little yeah I mean we talk about that on on DTNS all the time is like you know you people want the technology but does it fit into a lifestyle and that is a really big barrier for a lot of people yeah I I I probably brought up the quiet too because that is an advantage that these things are these things are much quieter than a helicopter I mean they're not completely silent they're like as loud as they talked about how the decibel output would be about the sound of a dish washer dish yeah which compared to a helicopter yeah much much smaller yeah yeah well thank you Bollywood it is my genuine pleasure to be podcasting with you in person indeed above the C.S. floor what a treat if the folks want to find out what you're doing these days and they very much should where should they go they should go to everybody in the pool dot com new episodes will resume next week and at mollywood dot co you can subscribe to my newsletter I'll be posting from here so I'll have a bunch of photos and videos and a little write-up of the supernal announcement for example coming out tonight yeah you want to find more details make sure you get that newsletter Sarah what say we stick around for the extended show good day internet and talk about more C.E.S. stuff for the patrons I think that's a great idea Tom just a reminder for everybody you can catch our show live we do live Monday through Friday 4 p.m. Eastern 2100 UTC and you can find out more at daily tech new show dot com slash live we will be back tomorrow giving you more C.E.S. coverage with Trisha Hershberger and Scott Johnson joining us family of podcasts helping each other understand Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program