 Okay, everyone's still there? Okay, fine, welcome back. Alright, let's just have some time for questions, interaction, and so on. Okay, feel free to ask questions. We are going to, I see some host questions, this Kennedy's question. During the period of creation, when was language, paradise, and hell made? Or which day of the week? Very interesting, I never even thought of that. When was language, paradise, and hell made? Okay, let's sort of think about paradise and hell. The Bible doesn't actually tell us that. I'm trying to think right now because I never encountered this question before, very interesting. When was paradise and hell made? The Bible doesn't tell us that other than, you know, that hell was made for the devil as angels. When was it made? I don't know, and I don't think it is stated for us in Scripture, at least to my knowledge. So if it is not given to us in Scripture, then any answer we come up with could be just speculation. So was it created before the earth was created? Was it created after? I'm not sure. We just know it is there, but we don't know when it was created. But it's a good question. I will try to think about it and if I do find some answers, I'll come back. About language, again, that's an interesting question. I never thought about it. We know what happened in Genesis 6 with the Tower of Babel when the languages of the earth was given to man in order to disperse man. That's what's called the Tower of Babel. But what language was used prior to that, you know, from the time of Adam and Eve? And how did they communicate? How did Adam sing that song, you know, your flesh of my flesh and bone on my bone? And how did he express that? I honestly don't know. Anything that we can say would probably be just a guess because Genesis doesn't tell us they spoke in Hebrew or whatever language. Or it could just be, and I'm guessing, see one of the ways that we can think about life in the garden before the fall is by looking at how things will be in the new heavens and the new earth. And what the Bible does tell us is that we will know even as we are known. So in God's perfect state, hearts become our language. And I'm just looking at the things for Corinthians. Let me just look at it for Corinthians 13. First Corinthians 13-12, it says, for now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. So he's saying, look, now I'm just, I just, you know, know, I know in part and I know even as I'm known. So it seems to me that maybe parts become a language that, you know, you, you communicate. I could be speaking or could be through thought. Today we can think our prayers to God when you pray and God knows your heart. He knows what you think. But they definitely, yeah, they definitely must have been some sort of a language that they spoke. We don't know what it was. We don't know how it was communicated. Whether it was just communicated through the medium of thought, or did it have to be the medium of words? We don't know, right? Today we can speak to God through the medium of thought. And God does speak to us through the medium of thought, through the medium of dreams. So that could have been the medium. Thought could have been the medium or it could have been words as spoken as we speak words today, which are basically the medium of sound. So what language, how was it before the fall? We don't know how was it from the time of the fall till Genesis six, what language? And of course, then it had to be communicated. We don't know. So I wouldn't try to answer. I couldn't answer that question. But it's just a good question, Kennedy. Let me try to think about, I mean, search on it. Okay. All right. For a fire, do you know what 32 was 22, Felix? One that burns down to the realm of the dead below. It will devour the earth, and is how to certify the foundations of the mountains. For a fire will be kindled by Marat, one that burns down to the realm of the earth below. Hmm. Yeah, I'm just thinking about what can, what Felix has put out there. You told me 32 was 22. I'm just wondering what happened to people who died before that. I mean, if you're saying somewhere in Deuteronomy, which is basically Moses's final instruction before he died. This was just before they entered in. So the book of Deuteronomy was probably given in a single day. Perhaps could have been even a single sermon, very long sermon. So if Moses was speaking, the book of Deuteronomy at the very end of his life. And if around that time, and if you're saying, okay, you know, God is speaking at that time, what about all the people who died prior to that? You know, we don't know. So thanks for sharing Felix, but I don't know about that. Yeah. But God spoke to Adam and he spoke back to God. There was some kind of language and Adam named the animals true. And he said, Satan said, who's got us heaven by God at that point, God created hell as a place that is point of his goodness and mercy could be possible. You know, how could have been created at that time in, in, in some time past when Satan was cast out, could be. Could Adam communicate with Eve through medium of thought? That's bad question. Prior to the fall, maybe. I don't know. I'm not saying for sure. Prior to the thought, I don't know. And I don't know whether, you know, and then we are in the new heavens and the new earth. What language are we going to speak? How are we going to communicate? I don't know. So, so, so Genesis one three, God, God, so God used what in just one three. Well, we know he used words because it clearly explicitly states and God said, right? So whenever it says when God said, okay, we say, yeah, there were words spoken. But I wouldn't just, I'm just speculating, right? We don't know if, if parts can be, if we can communicate through thoughts simply because in the new heavens and the new earth, it tells you we will know even as we are known. That means I will know just as I am known. So if I'm able to do that, maybe I can know thoughts. I don't know. I'm just speculating. There is no set scripture on this game. Okay. So, but we know Charles that when God created, he spoke words because that's given to us in many, many places by the word of the Lord with the heavens made. So that means God spoke those words, but Sam 33, you know, by the breath of his mouth. So that's very explicit, you know, it's telling us he spoke words. Now, which language did he speak? I don't know. How loud did he speak? Did he whisper? Did he speak, you know, 30 deep? At what decibel level did God speak? We don't know. So any of that would be just speculation. Okay. But says then we should be able to do that today. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe we lost that faculty after the fall and maybe God could restore that to us, you know, in the new heavens and the new earth. But again, don't take all this. I mean, I'm just trying to, I was just going to put thinking a lot. So it's not chapter and worse, you know, we can talk about it, you know, so basically answer that question. We don't know the Bible is silent on when, you know, what language was used by God or what language Adam used or when hell and paradise or heaven recreated. Heaven is always there. It's always God's place, but paradise under the earth. When that was, we're not sure. So, yeah, so yeah, I see Charles comment there and I don't know whether God created hell before Lucifer sinned. These are things we are not sure about. Okay. Any other questions that we could that you need that we need to look at before we move forward. Samuel, go ahead. This is around a hypothesis and I think pop culture, but the whole the whole facade around extra terrestrial life and Indians and all of that which seems to be catching up. I think NASA is devoted a lot of its resources into exploring planets. I mean, this is also this, this discovery that claims that almost all stars have planets revolving around them. And there are, apart from that, there are also rogue planets, plants that are floating in the space without any stars. So, but the whole conclusion is there are more planets in the universe than stars and and and a lot of the planets have habitable conditions and whatnot. So there's that that kind of theory and research being and there's extensive research on the possibility that there might be extra terrestrial life existing. It hasn't been proved so far, but everything that comes out and it's so popular. So one is, I think I stand on that and two and the other is, I think this is very, I mean, this is a stretch. I'm just stretching, but suppose there is a more solid proof, some evidence of extra terrestrial life. How do we believe it's responded? Hypothetically given tomorrow, NASA claims that there has been evidence of life on some distant planet. Right. You know, so we know that the Bible is silent about this, right? The Bible doesn't say other than heaven, which is a place, which is the place where God is, which is a real place. So other than earth and heaven and of course, hell, the Bible is not talking to us about any other place of known life doesn't talk to us about that. It's silent. So anything that we try to say from this, you know, we can't back it up in chapter and verse. So it is just people's personal conviction. I'm talking about Christians and some Christians may say there is life on other planets and some Christians, sorry, they say there is no life on other planets. As far as the Bible is concerned, we only know about heaven, earth, hell. So we, I would say let's not fight about it. Let's not worry about it. If, of course, they're doing a lot of work and trying to get, try to, you know, build another, get man to live on another planet, because you're supposedly running out of place here, whatever, you know, there's a lot of things that, you know, there's, there's a lot of this attempt to either find aliens or get humans on other planets, whatever. I think we should let it, let it go, meaning, okay, people are doing exploring, people are searching, investing huge amounts of money for space exploration, this and that, and there are benefits in the sense, you know, we have satellites, we have communications and all the things that we are able to do with technology. Okay, all those are good things. But then from, I mean, this is my opinion. My opinion is let, you know, people do what they want to do in terms of research or exploration and so on. We are not going to fight it. We should busy ourselves with things that have been revealed to us. And if people ask us, is there life on other planets, we can say the Bible is silent about it. We don't know for sure. We can't give you a chapter and verse on it, you know, and anything that I say or somebody else says would be speculation. I can have my opinions on it and we can all of us are welcome to have our opinions on it, but the scriptures themselves don't say anything on it. You know, okay. So that's sort of clear answer, but it's just more of a positioning that we can take and busy ourselves with things that that we need to work on. All right, let me just quickly answer this and then we will finish up the last chapter on this. Prabhakar is a good script is hell inside the years. So these scriptures that you've mentioned Prabhakar 90 12 Ephesians 4 and several others talks about hell being in the lower parts of the year. So the phrase that you find in scriptures, the lower parts of the year implying it somewhere underneath. So that's something we could safely say. Okay. Harrison, we are not, we worry not about it, but rather we don't make heaven to that. Okay. Make heaven. Don't worry about getting to other planets. Okay. Of me. Number 16 30 to 30 times a big swallowed up and Paris. This is big of hell. Number 16. I think it's talking about. Like the earth. People dying physically and number 16. I don't think it says hell, but more of them being destroyed by the earth swallowing them up number 16 32. If you're speaking the ground spit apart the other ones will have under the mountains. I know that's going to be the person with the parish. Now the assembly. Okay. Yeah. So number 16 31 to 33. My understanding of that is, you know, they died physically when the earth opened up and they all gave the, you know, fell in. So that was a physical thing happening. The earth spread open. They all fell. They all died physically. The bodies of course went into the ground, but at the same time, their spirits would have descended into hell. Okay. So the spirits went down to hell. The bodies decayed and died in the earth. That's how I would understand number 16 31 to 33. So Prabhakar same. So when, when we say God created earth, he created hell as well. I don't know for sure Prabhakar. Yeah, you know, we know God created the earth, but at what point in time did he cause hell to come into being inside the earth. I don't know. Maybe it happened the same time he's created the earth or maybe it came later. I don't know. Go ahead saying. Oh, yeah. I just wanted to say that should we basically say that hell is the final destination and permit us the realm of the dead. Because we know very well from the story of the rich man and Lazarus. That those who died believing in God or died righteous, like people of Abraham, Noah, were also they were in the side of paradise, which the Hebrew people usually called Abraham's bosom. And then on the side of torment, people who did wickedly and who acted wickedly on earth, you know, people like the rich man, you know, they were on the side of torment. And so the scripture that read that one day Christ died. And I believe when he resurrected that dead men of old, you know, we're coming out of their grace. So I think maybe those who were on the side of the paradise were the ones who rose because no one except for Elijah and Enoch, you know, entered into heaven until Christ, you know, had to die and resurrect. Then I believe all the righteous people like Abraham, all those, their spirit, you know, went to heaven. And so when people who don't believe in Jesus, when they die without believing in Jesus are accepting, I believe where they go to is the place of torment, which is where the rich man went. And then on the final day, when judgment will be given to all those who live the wicked livers, sinful livers, we're told that Hades, which is the realm of the dead will be thrown alongside with all the wicked, the sinners, the drunkards into hellfire, the lake of fire. So I don't know if that makes any sense. What do you think? Is it in line in the scriptures when we talk about hell and the place of torment? Do you think that is correct? Yeah. Good. Yeah. So I agree with what the way you've described it, you know, so prior to Christ's resurrection, there was in the lower parts of the earth there was both Abraham's bosom and hell or Hades. When Christ ascended, paradise was shifted, Abraham's bosom was shifted from the lower parts of the earth to heaven. What remains is hell. Then Revelation 20 and verse 15, everything, hell itself, will be cast into, sorry, Revelation 20, everything, Revelation 20, verse 14 and 15, death and Hades hell will be cast into the lake of fire. So that closes off everything. Good. Very good. All right. Okay. So I want to just finish up the next chapter. So the plan is today we're going to complete this whole discussion on science, creation, God, the beginning of the origin of life. Next week we're going to change subjects completely. We're going to go into, okay, how did the Bible come to us? Is the Bible reliable? So that's another big question in the area of apologetics is, is the Bible reliable? So we're going to move, we're going to move a little fast on different topics. We spent a little bit more time on the origin of life, creation, God, creator and origin of life. But now we're going to move fast on various topics in the space of apologetics, right? We'll talk about the Bible and then Christ resurrection, so on, different areas of questions that we need to explain to people. So in this last segment here on this creation, this is lesson number eight that I've put out. It's just, you know, additional questions. I'm sharing my PDF, additional questions on science and creation. And I just, you know, I will quickly just point out to some useful resources. I just give you an idea. So there's this whole issue of how old is the earth? Right. So as from a scientific perspective, the earth is supposed to be about four billion years old. And the universe is supposed to be close to 14 billion years old. And of course, this, this date or this age is arrived at through, you know, science, scientific processes, carbon dating and radiometric techniques. But are these techniques accurate? That's a big question. Right. So I've just given you a link where if you're interested, you can go over and see that there are issues around that they can be questioned. Whether these techniques are definitely reliable or not. And as we said in one earliest lesson, how do we respond to the age of this universe and the earth? We say, you know, God compressed time. So, you know, what we would through our whatever scientific process we use through, we may say that took so many billions of years to do or to happen. We say God compressed time in his creative act. So in this creative act, God brought together, desire, time and space and matter, and he brought it all together and created something very beautiful, very powerful, very intelligent. So that's how we respond to it. Then there's this whole issue about fossils. You know, you know, what about fossils and we saw that Darwin used fossils as one of his findings in an attempt to support his theory of evolution. But and we will see a little later here as well that there are a lot of issues with fossils. And one of the interesting things you will see when you watch this video is that fossils that were claimed to be some sort of a missing link in the evolutionary process. Shortly after that, that claim is dropped because they found, hey, this fossil was actually the fossil of an ape that, you know, that was around in that area. So that has happened several times. And so, again, this whole fossil record is, you know, is something that, you know, I guess from a science perspective, with that excitement or with this deep interest in order to use fossils to prove evolution or support evolution, you know, people come up with all kinds of theories, which then later fall through the cracks and say, hey, they don't hold water. Another interesting question is dinosaurs. And, you know, and of course, it's kind of interesting because how these dinosaurs are created, sometimes you find a part of a of a reptile creature like creature with the part of the head or skull or teeth or so on. And then the rest of the body is imagined, created. So anyway, these dinosaurs are claimed to be about 220 million years old and they died out around 60 million years old, they went extinct. But what do we actually know about dinosaurs is that there are these dinosaur bones that have actually not been fossilized as they were supposed to. We also find other things like soft tissue, proteins, DNA and red blood cells in many of these dinosaur bones. And there's no way scientifically that these components could have been preserved for so long, about 20 million or 60 million years. They typically have half life about DNA is about 120 years and could have lasted maximum 20,000, you know, so it's stretching it really far if you're going to 220 million years as a age of those dinosaur bones fossils. And then the other interesting thing is also carbon 14 has been found in these dinosaur bones. And basically, if you look at the half life and you look off these things about 100,000 years of 1000 years max, all of this should have died away. But, you know, so we can't say that these dinosaurs existed that 200 million 220 million years ago. So a lot of the claims that is being made from the scientific community is coming out of an excitement to support things that they want to support, rather than it being, you know, quote unquote honest science. And so these things are not mentioned. So if you look at that article, you'll get a lot of information that generally do not put out for us. Biblically, how do we explain it? Well, we know that all creatures, sea creatures are created on day five and land creatures and man on day six. Right. So somebody says, okay, but the word dinosaurs not in the Bible, of course, the Bible was translated of the King, King James was translated 1611 dinosaur the coin, the term was coined only in 1841. So you're not going to find the word dinosaur in the King James Bible. So what we do find in the English of the King James Bible or other related translations is words like dragons in the waters or dragons in the sea or behemoth. Now I'm not saying that these these terms dragon, the water dragon, the sea or behemoth necessarily speak of a dinosaur, but they're just, you know, they're unknown to us. You know, they're just descriptive of some some large animal. We don't know what it is. It could be that the behemoth could be an hippopotamus or it could be some big animal. We don't know. But just the fact that these terms were used, keep it open that maybe they were talking about some kind of an animal that could have been like the dinosaur in that time. As far as the Bible is concerned, all sea creatures were created on day five. So if you're talking about a dinosaur that lived in the waters, that'll be day five. If you're talking about a dinosaur that lived on land, that'll be day six period. That's when they were created and everything comes from there. And a lot of what we're saying information we put out from the scientific community about the age of the dinosaurs can be questioned because of these findings that are there about the dinosaur bones. Okay, quickly some thoughts here and I just requested to read through this in case you in case we don't cover all of this. You know, should we use science to interpret the Bible. You know, for example, people say, well, you know, the Bible uses language like the foundations of the earth and therefore the Bible is wrong. The Bible is not a scientific book. Then our response to that is, hey, wait a minute. There's a lot of, there are a lot of, you know, the Bible is a literary book meaning it's just written in literary style. And so, you know, we use a lot of language today, which is not scientific, but it's more literary. You know, we, we may use terms like, you know, it's raining cats and dogs. That is not a scientific term. Cats and dogs don't ring, but it's a language is part of our language. And so when the Bible talks about the foundations of the earth, it doesn't mean, you know, God didn't know the earth was round. It is just that the writers were using literary style to communicate an idea. Right. So we can't just say, oh, therefore science is more important than the Bible. No, just understand it in simple terms. Right. So while we welcome scientific discoveries and, you know, other discards, archaeological discoveries, etc. That corroborate what the Bible is saying. For us, the Bible is, is a final authority. Right. And so regardless of science, science, scientific ideas will change in this example, you know, the idea moved from a steady state to an expanding universe. The goal doesn't change. I will just say God created everything. So we just stay with what God says. Science may change its positioning. Okay. And as you've seen before, our goal is not to fight with people, but we present the truth in love. Right. And ultimately you find that science cannot answer the big questions of life. Right. Where did we come from? Who are we? Why are we here? How should we live? And where are we going? Christian faith has clear answers to this. An atheist or a naturalist or a scientist, you know, if you're trying to look at it, is this okay? You know, some random things here. But these are the big questions of life and the Bible or the Christian faith has answers for these meaningful answers for these things. So, you know, what we have mentioned before is science can tell us about the existence of things, but they cannot necessarily tell us why or how it came into existence. Right. Gravity. Yeah, it tells us it's there, but you know, why is gravity there in the first place? And how did it come into existence? You know, how did it come there? And why was it put there? Maybe we know what gravity does and we know how it can be used. But why was it even needed? Who thought it was needed? You know, and how did it come into existence? These are things science will not explain to us. So like this, there are a lot of things that science will discover for us, which is good, but does not give us the, the, the, the, the mean, the reasoning behind that. Now, another question as far as science and God, you know, has science done away with God? No. See the, you know, traditionally people, when they talked about God, or when sign, when people who come from a science, scientific persuasion, who want to do it with God, basically they come with these presuppositions. They presuppose that the, the God we're talking about is a placeholder God, you know, okay, whenever we don't understand something, we say God. But that's not how we consider God. He's not a placeholder for things we don't understand. We believe that he is the answer for everything, things we know and things we don't know, things we understand and things we don't understand. God is the God who created all things. So God is not, you know, a stopgap kind of a concept. They presuppose that. Another presupposition from those, from people from that background is, you know, maybe we just conjured up, you know, God for every material thing, but no, the God of the Bible is not that kind of a God. He's an eternal God who created the material world. And, you know, we, we clearly say, you know, God created everything, human reason didn't create the world. So human reasoning is there, but it doesn't have the ability to create. So what we want to help people of scientific background understand is that, you know, when you do science right, you're actually going to admire the God who created everything. And the, you know, that's the quote here from Sirius Lucer, men became scientific because they expected law and nature. And they expected law and nature because they believed in a legislator. So this was science when it was done right. And of course today, people think or presume that science does a way with God. Yeah, a couple other things. I just, you know, let you read it. I don't, yeah, last. Okay, that's about it. I'll pause here. You know, here, this one is a nice book. It's a very simple book, but it deals with the idea of science and God and John Linox is somebody who addresses things from both the philosophical and a scientific perspective. So it's nice to read. Okay, I will pause here and we will take a break. At this point, we're going to wrap this up and pray with those of the session. And then we will meet again after 10 minutes in our other class on keys to supernatural ministry. Okay, if you have any additional questions on this whole subject of science God creation, you're welcome to bring it up in the next class. Next class, we will be moving into a new subject area, which is the authenticity and the reliability of scripture, the Bible. Okay, I just want to invite somebody to close us in prayer so that we can take our break now. Anyone, just a mute your mic and pray with us please and you will dismiss. All right. Okay, sorry. Say you want to pray. Yes, pastor. Father in heaven, we bless you. We worship you and adore you. Thank you Lord for the class we've heard. We have just heard and for instructor God for how you have guided him in teaching us and expounding on Lord on the topic on how all things can be proved from the word and that Lord indeed that your word is authentic and every other thing you know God submits to your word. We bless you because we will be able to stand for the truth and stand for what Lord you have done for us what you have done in creating all things and bringing about all that is life here on earth. We pray that you will equip us more to be defenders of your truth and to explain to others how things became and that you are the source of all things and all life. And that not science, not big bang theory, not evolution Lord brought about the things that we see and we behold but all things come from you. We pray that Lord this truth Lord will be solidified in us and that Lord you will give us the grace and enablement to explain to those who are lost, who are deceived by the science and by the facts that men try to propose. But Lord will be able to unveil your truth to the world and all men will come to your understanding to serve you and to see you as the source of life and the creator of all things. We bless you of lasting father as we go into our next class but we pray that Lord you would prepare us for the supernatural and you will help us and then grace us to walk in them to walk in supernatural in the name of Jesus. Thank you for lasting father for in Jesus name we have prayed. Amen. Amen. Thank you everyone. Thank you. We'll take a quick break. I'll see you in the other class. God bless. Bye now. Thank you. Bye now.