 And welcome to Exploring Chiropractic. I'm Nathan Cashin and this is the podcast for chiropractic and pre-chiropractic students. This is Episode 4, August 25th, 2013 with Sherman College of Chiropractic. We've got a large panel of some students at Sherman. I'm really excited to get going and find out more about this school tonight. Before we get started, this show is lovingly unsupported by any chiropractic institution. It's all independently produced, including University of Western States and Sherman College. So that means that anything and everything that we share in our discussion is our opinion. Our opinion only and doesn't reflect the policies or branding of the schools that we're talking about. It's all based on our experiences. I want to introduce our panel tonight. We've got five wonderful students coming from Sherman. I first got in touch with Anna Elkins, thanks to your recommendation by Spina Column Radio. How are you doing, Anna? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm doing great. So you are a chiropractic intern at Sherman? I am. I'm in 12th quarter. 12th quarter, so just about done. Getting close, very close. And where are you originally from? I'm from Whiteville, North Carolina. Okay, so kind of close. Great, and next up, I think we've got Ginny Gross. How are you doing? Good. Good. So you're a transfer student from life in Atlanta, Georgia, as well as being previously a transfer student from national? Yes. Great, that's going to be really interesting to hear more about that. Next up, we've got Rachel. And Rachel, you're 4th quarter from Pennsylvania? Yes. Awesome. So your background in neuroscience was your undergrad? Mm-hmm. Anything else about yourself? I'm about an hour outside of Philadelphia. I study neuroscience and I love learning about the nervous system. Chiropractic is totally different, so I love it. Awesome. So you're very excited. And joining us together, we've got Robin Heaton in Virginia, Voils. Hi. Hello. And let's see, so Robin, you were in the alternative health care field for over 20 years and then you decided to go into chiropractic, is that right? I did. And, Virginia, do I have a little bio on you? Here we go, so you're 5th quarter. Yes. And you're originally from where? From Illinois. Okay. Great. Well, welcome everybody. This is going to be a really great discussion, I think. I'm going to learn a lot about Sherman. So Sherman is, you know, it's one of the schools that I hear about a lot. So I've been looking into chiropractic for over 10 years. I think before I graduated high school, I knew it's what I wanted to go into. It took me a long time to get to school, but over those years, I've learned a lot about different schools. But I have to admit, Sherman is one that I kind of haven't heard a lot about. So I'm excited to hear from you about what's going on in Sherman. So, I mean, what's kind of the news? What's the current thing going on at your school? Oh, goodness, where do you start? Yeah. Now is a very exciting time for Sherman College, because we do have a new president, Dr. Edwin Cordero. And the student body has just really come alive in the last several months. So there's a lot of new things happening, and it's very exciting. Tell me about Dr. Cordero. Well, I didn't actually know him until he came to Sherman. I met him at a talk-a-tick by the fire seminar back in January. Virginia Royals actually did that. Yeah, thank you, Jenny. And so that was my first experience getting to meet him. And I knew off the bat that he was going to be a wonderful leader for Sherman College. So I'm going to share my screen here real quick, as you tell me a little bit more about him. So it looks like he's really new. I mean, the beginning of this year, right? Yeah. And had a practice for 19 years, frequent speaker, and does a lot of humanitarian chiropractic mission trips. Have any of you been on chiropractic mission trips? Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. I hear a lot about them from Life West and some other schools. We don't do a lot of them here. I haven't heard much mention of them at Western States. It's kind of interesting. So let's see Dr. Cordero's bilingual, which is awesome. And was the chiropractor for the Costa Rican team in the Central American Olympic Games. That is really cool. Yeah. So what? He brings a lot of experience to the table. And he's very open with us. And I do recall it was the first week of classes. He was our substitute professor for our philosophy class, because our other one was out of town. And it was amazing. It was actually the same night that philosophy by fire was taking place. And so he's very warm and welcoming. And we know him. I'm pretty much the entire school knows him on a one-on-one basis. So it's a very comfortable environment. It really is that he creates. Has anything significant changed? I mean, you've mentioned that kind of the school communities kind of come together recently. Has he made any big changes in the policies of the school? The policies I'm not so sure about. But I do know that he's definitely given the School of Facelift, which was much needed. In what way? What do you mean by that? Facelift, like spiffing it up. Yeah. So physically. Upgrading, yeah. OK. And then he's also bringing in a lot of international students, particularly from Puerto Rico. And so just having that new Latino energy in the Irish student body is really fun. Cool. Tell me a little bit about the campus. What do you see when you first come to school in the morning? Green. Green. Lots of green. Lots of trees and trees. You have a beautiful campus. It is. It's wide open. It's just, I mean, we're in the process right now. We want to start at getting a garden growing there. And we have a lot of ideas that we want to take further. A lot of support from the students, too. I mean, many students are on board and wanting to get this more green focus, because we have so much space and so many possibilities. We actually have over 80 acres of land at Sherman College. So there's lots of green spread out. That is really spread out. Yeah. So for those watching the video, I'm just showing the web page right now and kind of clicking through. So it looks like you got a little fitness center. Nice sand volleyball court. Yes. And we used that a lot. Yeah. We've got a grass volleyball net set up in that. Frequently used, but I think more so. Ultimate Frisbee is the big thing out here. Do you have a lot of Frisbee players? I don't know. I don't for a second. Yeah. Not me personally. Yeah, it seems to be a West Coast thing. It used to be pretty big in Illinois. So tell us, what else about the campus do you love? What's your favorite building? Well, at Sherman, we only actually have three buildings. And they each serve their own distinct purpose. One is just a general classroom and administration building. The other is a health center. And then the third is the building with the gym and another classroom. OK. So they all have a really great purpose. And they're all very different. So I would say health center is my favorite. Yeah. Absolutely. Is that because of the free adjustments that you get? It's because so much of the great learning happens. We really study the films there. We learn our technique. And we just improve complete chiropractic. Very cool. That's where the chiropractic happens. That's where the magic happens. Exactly. And there's nothing wrong with free adjustments. Yeah. That's one of my favorite things. I go so often to the clinic. And I just come up with anything at all that is bothering me. And I just let my intern go to town and figure it out. So Sherman is located in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Probably barely see it in honor. I wore my Spartan race t-shirt. OK. Very cool. Very cool. Yay. You've all heard of the Spartan races? We absolutely have. Yeah. It's funny. I did the one here in the Pacific Northwest two, three weekends ago. It was three weekends ago. I did the Spartan race. And then two weeks later, I did a marathon. But the Spartan race is definitely more fun. Do you know where it got the names? Spartanburg? Does it have anything to do with ancient Greece? I'm not too sure. Great town. Good question. There's a very big milling town in the slouch back in the day. So it's very industrialized. So I don't know if it comes from that thing or not. Wow. Check that out. I don't know the history of Spartanburg proper. But I do know the history of the nickname of Spartanburg, which is the whole city. Sparkle. Oh, Sparkle City and the hub city. Yeah, that's true. So the hub city was basically because this is where all of the trains traveling across the country would stop. And it was basically a hub of major communication. I'm checking out the Wikipedia page here. And it seems like it's quite a small town. An urban population of 180,000 as of 2010. Is it pretty quiet? Is it rural? Well, the edges are urban. Most of it is pretty good. And we're very close to lots of other major cities. So we have a lot of different options here. Yeah, so linked from the website, I've got the Google map here. This is nice. So I zoom out just a bit. So what are some of the big cities that you're by? Well, Greenville, South Carolina. Greenville, Asheville, and Charlotte. Charlotte, we're with only three hours away from Atlanta. Okay. Which is handy. And Charleston, South Carolina. So there's a lot of beauty around here, absolutely. And just miles away, you can drive 20 minutes and you get to the mountains, the tip of the mountains. And you can get out on hikes and the such. So it's a great location. I think getting out to the mountains is one of the most important things. Absolutely. I love going hikes. This morning I did a trail run with a friend of mine in my class. Just absolutely fabulous. I noticed the Wiccom PD page has a little rundown of the average climate. It looks kind of warm. A little bit, yeah. Yeah, it definitely can get very hot here in the summer. And it never snows, ever. Yeah, the lows, what are the lows? In the 40s? Yeah. Well, in January it looks like the 30s. Okay. It's perfect weather here most of the time. Fabulous. Is it pretty humid? It can be. Yeah, the summer definitely can't be. Yeah. So tell me, why did you guys pick Sherman? What led you to Sherman Chiropractic College? Philosophy for me personally. Yeah, it's very focused on the vitalistic philosophy. Now, from what I remember it used to be called, and I don't know if this is the official title, but Sherman College of Straight Chiropractic. And is that still the moniker that it uses? No, it is just Sherman College of Chiropractic. Okay, but still maintains that vitalistic philosophy. Absolutely. For me personally, it's real chiropractic. And that's what I want to be learning from and learning around personally. So that's really what pulled me. It was no option, really. I didn't move here for Spartanburg, South Carolina. I moved here for Sherman College. So it's a great town and such. And it's really neat because there's a lot of colleges in the town. So you have the opportunity to meet plenty of people and do a lot of mingling with the little time we have for social life. But it's a great school. Now, there are some pre-chiropractic students that may not understand this idea of vitalism. And frankly, I'm not too clear on it myself. So would you say this is the same vitalism that was kind of heralded by Bersilius in the early 19th century? How would you define it? The power that made the body heal the body. Heal the body. It's from what the Palmers started. Yeah, it's what B.J. and D.D. intended chiropractic to be used now. So the idea that... So if I look up on Wikipedia, because other people might do this, might find a definition. Wikipedia defines it as the doctrine that living organisms are fundamentally different from non-living entities because they contain some non-physical element or are governed by different principles than are inanimate things. Do you agree with kind of that description of it? Absolutely. It's absolutely part of it anyway. Yeah. Is there anything else you would add, Ginny? I guess to know that there is, as Anna was saying, the energy that created the body heals the body. So there's an innate intelligence that runs the body. Where you're not going to see that in a piece of plastic, but in a living body. Anything else you want to add, ladies? That sums it up in a nutshell already. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, that's what we say quite often, paraparactic is life. So you focus on that innate intelligence on that foundational philosophy. You know, I got a question through the website, exploringcharaparactic.com, from a pre-charaparactic student who's down in Puerto Rico. And he's looking, he's trying to pick a school. Now he said, and I think a lot of people have different ideas of what chiropractic is. And you've shared some great reasons why you chose German. Now he said he's looking for a school that has more of a focus on treating musculoskeletal conditions. And he said, I would like to attend a school that prepares the students more on the physical practice of chiropractic than in the philosophical aspect. So if he's looking for that kind of school, would you say Sherman may not be a good fit for him if he wants more musculoskeletal, more physical adjustment? What do you guys think? What would you recommend to him? I'd still say come to Sherman. Absolutely. I'd still say come, try it out, see what innate intelligence can do, learn the power of it, and then he will understand those musculoskeletal disorders on a much greater level. Rachel, I'm sorry I had to mute you. So do you have any, did you catch that? Students looking for more of a musculoskeletal focus of chiropractic, do you think Sherman would be a good fit? I think, can you guys hear me? No, I don't know from, okay. I think that he probably needs to look into, has he shadowed different chiropractors? Has he seen what their focus is? Because Sherman definitely does have that science aspect to it, but I think we blend in the philosophy, which is just as equally important. We talk about there being the tripod of the philosophy, the art and the science, and we definitely focus on all three. So do we focus on the musculoskeletal? Yes, absolutely, but we also get in the philosophy and art too, which is so important. And how much do you guys branch out into extremity adjusting or maybe sports chiropractic, those other aspects that wouldn't really usually fall right under the practice? We definitely have those classes offered. We have people here that are known around the world for their expertise in those areas, but it's not something that you necessarily have to do just to get through the program. And that's what's great about Sherman is there's many options. Although we are philosophically based and like Rachel was saying, we hold that three-legged stool pretty strong with science, art, and philosophy, and you're not told how to feel about chiropractic. You're told make your decision and look into every aspect about that decision and make it smartly. Don't just jump because somebody says. So that's something I very much respect about Sherman. And with that, go ahead. I was going to say one thing that I would like to add for anybody who's watching is that the vitalistic philosophy believes that what we do as chiropractors is we remove an interference from the nervous system so that the body, that innate intelligence that we were talking about, will take over and get the energy flowing and so that all of the nerves and the organs and everything in the body is back in its best functioning position. And so that's really the whole idea behind it. And as they were talking about, there's so many different options of things that you can do if you would like to, but that's the basic premise of it all, is that the adjustment removes the interference from the nervous system and the nervous system works better. And then the body works better. And the immune system works better. And every system you have just works better. And we all love it. Awesome. Sounds great. I'm curious to know what techniques are taught in the curriculum or what techniques are left for seminars, workshops, or electives. We have a lot of techniques that we are taught. Quite a few. Let's start listening up. Yeah, I should. You have Gonsted, Thompson. Thompson. Versified. Yeah, that's diversified. You've got toggle, toggle, knee chest. Knee chest. That was it. Knee chest. We have NSA elective as well. What was that one again? NSA. Spinal analysis. Oh, yes. Definitely heard of it. Okay. And those are all, those are a little, that one's an elective. Most of the others were included in the curriculum. Most of them, yeah. Like the Thompson technique, that will be an elective as well. We previously have had Blair technique. Right now it's not offered, but we have had it. We have a Pierce elective. We have. There's a pediatric adjustment. Yeah. I'm trying to, yeah, it's really, I mean, what else do we? Yeah. And you mentioned seminars also. We did have an animal adjusting seminar a couple of weeks ago. So that was taught on campus by an outside doctor. And there's lots of other seminars that do come to Sherman. So we have the ICPA seminar coming, correct? Yes. Geniomes ICPA is starting this fall. So that's going to be a great thing to have there at Sherman. Yeah. And that's pediatrics, the pediatric adjusting. Awesome. So that's very long. Like is it a full year long seminar, I believe? It's about once a month. Yeah. And it's about a full year long once a month on the weekend. So it's great because normally students have had to drive to Atlanta. And that we're going to have it offered at school will be really helpful. Now, Virginia, you mentioned to me that you're present at the Philosophy Club. Yes. What do you do in the Philosophy Club? We meet once a week. And what we do when we meet, various things. What we focus on is getting our message out about chiropractic. So whatever you want your message to be, coming to club each week, we work on perfecting that message. Whatever, you know, we call it like a 30 second elevator talk, we'll call it. So when somebody says, what is kind of practic, what are you going to respond with? Because, you know, we get so focused, of course, within our sciences, studying every day. And of course, studying that art that we really need to continue to focus on how we're going to communicate that message out there. So we do that by talking each week and role-playing. We also watch videos. We watch a lot of Reggie Gold, if you're familiar with him. Definitely. Just last night, I finished watching the great chiropractic debate for 1979. Oh, wow. Great video. Yeah, I posted that to our Facebook page and Google+. It really was great because it gave me a different perspective of that straight philosophy. But it also got really intense towards the middle. It did. Between him and the medical doctor. And so I have so many thoughts on it. We'll have to write up a blog post. So when you talk about these elevator pitches, it sounds a lot like this talk the tick thing that goes around. Do you kind of prepare for that? Well, talk the tick is something the school's having more so. I believe it's nationwide. Schools participate. And that's something more that is up to each student. And yeah, more of a longer health talk and such. I believe it's like eight minutes. They want it to be around. Yeah, I think they do five. I'm not really sure. Yeah, all of the schools, it's a big thing out in life west. Let's see. So their Facebook page says, so the finals, they do regional and then national finals, I think. And I believe it's a nice cash prize, a scholarship. Yeah, so they've got, it looks like they've got finalists coming from life west, life university in Georgia, Palmer Davenport, Palmer, Florida, Park University, Southern California University, Sherman and Texas Chiropractic College. So eight schools are sending delegates. So from what I understand they do, like you said, an eight minute kind of a, I wouldn't say a speech, but a presentation as if they're talking to a new patient and explaining what chiropractic is. Yes, absolutely. So we'll do things more, we'll do similar to that in club, more scenarios. Like okay, well what if your patient says, he comes in and just any type of scenarios that you're going to have throughout your daily basis. In your office, and so how are we going to respond to that? Because personally I've been a chiropractic assistant and so just knowing and seeing that need, that strong need to be able to communicate your thoughts. Because no matter how much we keep studying and such, if we can't communicate that, we're going to be lost out there. Yeah, it does get difficult to put it into words exactly what you're trying to do and get across. So I think it's great to practice, practice all the time. I'm a big fan of presentation design and something that goes along with it. I have another blog all about presentation design for educators and part of it is really kind of telling that story. You know, really whittling down the message to the core elements. So it's a great thing that they practice that. What other clubs are you guys involved in? We have League of Chiropractic Women, IFCO. Can you explain IFCO for those listening? Yes. It is the International Federation of Chiropractors and Organizations. And it is focused on the students. They're very politically involved and they have a mentorship program for when we graduate, we are paired, I believe it is a choice, with the chiropractor of that organization. And they are, in other terms, they're like a life coach or chiropractic coach for the whole entire year after we graduate. So is it kind of a volunteer coaching program? Or is it more of a replacement for the ACA, ICA type thing? Different. It's different than those. So the ACA is the American Chiropractic Association, the ICA is the International Chiropractic Association, and most chiropractors, I don't know if you have to be a member of one or the other to be licensed. I'm not sure that you do. But it's a large membership organization and you keep in touch. And we're all encouraged to be a part of one of those, the main ones, I'm not sure of any others. Great. Ginny, what about you? A club that you really love to participate in? Well, I'm in a couple of different clubs. I'm in one that's ICPA based called Little Spines. And we go over various things. Sometimes there's presentations, sometimes there are speakers. They talk about things that we will be looking at in Little Spines, you know, baby spines that make them different from adults. So yeah, that's kind of a neat little club. Great. How about you, Rachel? If Anna hasn't already mentioned, the two of us are actually co-president of LCW. So we work together to empower women and just provide that space and that sharing. We bring in a lot of different speakers and everything and go to different conferences. It's awesome. And Anna can share more about it if she'd like as well. Sure. Yeah, Rachel has recently stepped up to be the new co-president with me for the League of Chiropractic Women. And that is an international chiropractic organization for all women in chiropractic, not just doctors or students. It's got CAs, it's got wives, girlfriends, partners, any woman that loves chiropractic and wants a space to reach out and connect with other women in chiropractic. So the overall purpose would be to empower women and make them stronger leaders in a principled chiropractic profession. So I have to ask, and some friends of mine at school were curious too, is the panel that is joining me tonight, all five of you representative of the balance of men to women at Sherman? Sherman. Close. Yeah, I think the women are much stronger leaders at Sherman at this time, but we've definitely got some awesome guys too. So the general class numbers, is it more than 50% women, or do you have an idea? I think it's 50-50. Yeah, probably close. Pretty close to 50-50, yeah. But the women are more active in the leadership part of it. Women around the world. Somewhere. I wouldn't say that. There's a lot of, I would say that there's just, there's a lot of people that are active within the school, men and women, for sure. For sure. That's great. Do you, do you have any, you know, just kind of big functions together as a school? Every quarter we have kind of an opening barbecue type thing. What does Sherman do to get the, you know, the classes together? Well, bagel fest. Bagel fest. We have bagel fest and fun day. Or this year, burrito fest. Oh yeah, burrito fest this time. Bagel fest and burrito fest. It's a school-wide event. The school feeds everyone lunch. And in the spring, everyone has off the rest of the day. And they bring in, they have volleyball tournaments. And this last time we had a slip and slide in our rolling lawn, which was a ton of fun. They have different games, different things to do. And everyone that wants to be involved, it's like a school-wide event. You know, the school sponsors everything. It's a lot of fun. When it's not the spring, we have what's called a bagel fest. And then they introduce the coming, the first quarter that's entering the school. And what would you all describe that as? It's a big thing. It's a big thing. A little kind of a silly hazing kind of thing. The first quarter people perform in front of the whole school. Yeah, they have to make up some new lyrics to music. They make it chiropractic. And it is the funniest thing you've ever seen. It's a song and dance routine. It's so much fun. And then traditionally we're all supposed to boo them, of course. Absolutely. Get them welcomed into Sherman. We always have a lot of fun. It's a ride of passage. You get booed your first quarter, but then for the next 13 quarters after that, you get to boo somebody else. Maybe a lot of the things that you do are kind of revolve around food. I noticed I was browsing. We are in the south, you know. Yeah, so I was browsing. You were just browsing your website and came across Southern Fried Fried. Yeah, it just happened. That was Friday. Is this for the students or is this for prospective students? Perspective students. So you just lure them in with fried chicken? No. I did it as a student myself. I moved down here and I had to do some prerequisites. So I would come out and visit Sherman as much as I could. And so I would do events like that all the time. It's fine. Is it an all day thing and how frequently do they do it? They usually do at least once a quarter, something like that. Because then they also have shadow and in turn, bring in, you as a prospective student can go shadow and in turn throughout the day, which is a really great experience. Very cool. Now is fried chicken and waffles a thing out there? Because I hear a lot about that but I don't get it. Fried chicken and waffles? Yeah, see. My legal. Maybe it's further down south. But yeah, you put fried chicken on waffles and pour syrup on it. Oh my god, no. I haven't heard of that yet. No, I don't know about that. Robin, I think you were going to mention the Lyceum. Lyceum is once a year event too and it's a really big deal. Alumni from all over the world come and it's a huge, huge event. And the last one happened back in May. And I noticed down here on their website, B.J. Palmer visited Sherman. Oh yeah, he's funny. Was this a seance where you brought him back for the dead or what was going on there? This guy has got this weird uncanny resemblance and as you can see in the picture, he really looks like that. And he walks around and talks about philosophy and he's really funny. A B.J. Palmer impersonator, huh? Yes, it's awesome. Does he walk around carrying the green books? He should. I'm sure he does when he comes back. There he is. So there's a big conference, lots of different speakers. That's a big thing and then they have a big banquet. A 1970s banquet. Oh God, thank goodness you don't have all the pictures. It was really fun. Oh yeah, I bet I could find them on Facebook. Well, if not. So it's kind of a dress-up event? The banquet always has a theme and then we dress and costume. Rachel and I were in charge of the decorations for that this time, so we had fun with that. We also had the iRap thing once a month. And that's coming up in October. What was that one again, said again? iRap. You can probably see it there on the website. It's a research symposium. I did come across that. And that's coming up end of October. Is it third week? Third week. Let me see if I can find that. So it's a research conference. And people fly in from all over the world and present their research. Last year was wonderful. I did find the link to it, but the page is down. That's a bummer. Let me see if I can fix that myself. So what kind of research are we talking about? For chiropractic, obviously, but there are different presenters every single year. We have... Like last year, I know they did some blood pressure presentation of blood pressure research. They did some research. Oh, there was NSA and autism. That was a great one. And there was a... Trying to think what else there was. Oh, there was a student who came from life. And he is just rocking and rolling doing some research. I mean, he was... Where did he flew? He flew to France, I believe, to present information that he was researching. So he was really rocking and rolling as a student. Wow. Do you remember his name? I do not. No, I haven't written down at home. Yeah, wow. It looks like a huge conference. A good 30 presentations that look like... And the bonus is that we as students, we always get to go there to that type of thing for free. Oh, that's so awesome. Another bini for somebody to come visit us and go to this show. I love the student prizes on these seminars. Great. We mentioned seminars. We also do... We go travel to go to dynamic essential seminars in Atlanta. These are non-school related, but the school definitely supports us getting out there and doing that. So there's two philosophy events that we support going to DE and the new beginnings in New Jersey, which is a great seminar as well. And there we're able to meet. It's just absolutely amazing. We're able to meet so many students, so many current DCs out there. It's fun and it's educational and formative. And then that, of course, then that's just a different type of seminar because also school lets us know, keep us updated on technique seminars and the such as well. And just touching on what Virginia just said, this past April, our board of trustees actually knew for a tour of us for our entire student body, however many wanted to go, to go to New Beginnings in New Jersey. So we had, like, what, 40 some people actually make that trip? 43 people. And that just shows that our board is very supportive of our student body and they're very involved and they all want to know us and have personal relationships with us. So that was a great thing. Explain a little more about New Beginnings because I've heard a lot about it lately but I have not been able to go. Oh, you should check it out. Absolutely. It's just a wonderful, wonderful seminar. Like I say, you can meet so many students, so many current DCs out there and just go and present issues that you're having, questions that you have. You know, if you're not having any issues, all the highs that you're having, it's really amazing just the support you're able to get and to sit there and do, you know, sharpen your tools, get your, like I say, your questions answered but also sit through informative speakers. So it's a really great time. You should definitely make it out there if you have the opportunity. Are these kind of like the events that they do at, oh, Life West is the wave and out in the Bay Area, they've got Cal Jam where they're super high energy, really high energy kind of thing. That's kind of what New Beginnings is too. It's kind of fun. So is it kind of like a chiropractic pep rally? Similar, but a lot of classes. Oh, part of it. There's a lot of speakers and it's definitely a high energy motivational type seminar, but I wouldn't really guess first called a pep rally. That might be a little... At the same time, you're, you know, Ryan and you're saying chiropractic, you're still also, you know, the Sunday morning of New Beginnings, they have a complete green book reading. Like the whole... Not, not, no, no. They're not reading all the green books, but you're talking about them and the such. Gosh, okay, I was going to say that. That could take a long time. So you never leave Sunday morning. The New Beginnings, nbathinbeginningschiro.com and they have them all over the country. Isn't that right? In different locations? No, they only have it in New Jersey. Oh, is it only New Jersey? Okay. There's another one out here in the west that is very similar. So I guess I got that confused. Yeah, there are quite a few that go on across the country as well. Different seminars, different names, but the similar approach. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, we're getting towards the end of the show. I ask everybody, when we're talking about all the great things that their school offers, just to get a little bit of a different perspective, I ask each of you, what is the one thing if you could that you would change about Sherman? Goodness. It can be anything, location, temperature, a different tuition. Tuition is ever on the rise. Yeah. And that gets a little frustrating, but we do still have one of the most affordable colleges in the country. Yeah, I think you are down towards the bottom. Yeah. There's a great website, the chiropracticform.com that has a table that just lists and compares all of the schools in their tuition. So students should check that out as part of the consideration. I do believe you are one of the cheaper schools, and I am at the most expensive. I hope I'm getting what I pay for. Hannah, I'm going to put you on the spot. What's one thing you would change? Oh, goodness. Well, I would say the cafeteria, but we've actually already done that. So I don't even know if it applies anymore. We've really been making some great changes in our cafe and adding lots of more healthy, organic type foods, which chiropractic is about life and health, and so we need to have healthy food in our cafe, and they actually just did it for the summer break, so I'm happy. Very cool. Yeah, we're trying to get more gluten-free and accommodating everybody. Very good. Ginny, you're on the spot. Ginny, what would you change? Oh, boy, I guess I was thinking the cafe as well. Oh, man. What did they feed you before? The main reason, I guess, this is my first quarter there, so I don't know what the cafe was like before that. I was just thinking of how much variety we had in the cafe over at life, which was a much larger school. So that would have been, I think the only thing I would say change-wise is I would like to see more variety in the cafe, but otherwise, so far I can't think of anything I would change. The students are great. The students are very friendly. The staff, they really care about if you're learning, if you're getting it, if you're having problems. You know, they're student tutors. They're always available. And I think of all of the three schools I've been at, I find that Sherman is the lowest key when it comes to stress. So I find that a really great thing about it. I know you were asking me that. That's right. You did give me one thing to change. Rachel, on to you. One thing you would change about Sherman, if you could. One thing I would change, although it's kind of already in the process of changing, is getting out in the immediate community within Spartanburg. And we have partnerships with a nearby college. We're working with their athletes and then we're also setting up care or working on it with a hospice that's right down the road with us. So I interact with, I work at a restaurant on the weekends and a lot of times I'll talk to people. What do you know about Sherman and stuff like that. And sometimes being that we're so small, people really don't know too much about us. So just getting the word out and letting people know that we're here and what we can do and what we do do. Yeah, that's great. A lot of the schools are just kind of tucked away. Right. And of course they're not as big. There's not as big as these huge universities that towns are built around them. So I think that's great. Robin, what would you change? Well, the only one is what you wanted, right? Yeah, just one thing. Let's see, I would want a larger gym. That's what I'm hoping for too, yeah. When I was at life we had almost, you know five times as large of a place and I prefer space. And a larger gym and indoor salt water pool would be my preference. It would be nice. We're dreaming, you know. Why not put in a full spa with masseuse and everything? Steam room would be great too. There we go. Virginia, do you have one idea? It's kind of also touching on things that we're improving on already and then it's just going green friendly because like I said, we've talked about starting a garden on campus. We're just content to that. There's talk about solar, panel, lighting, heat electricity completely. I mean there's so many opportunities and I just think that as Anna was saying it's so important to be, of course being healthy and I feel at the same time we need to be also taking care of our environment around us as well. That's things that we've really been talking about a lot at school here. Yeah, I love it. That's great. One thing I love about being in Portland, I moved from Oregon or from Utah and I couldn't recycle. There's no way I couldn't find a place to recycle. The first day when I moved here the first day I walked out to the dumpster in my apartment complex and there were like five recycling bins. I was like, yes. It was so good. So hey, we're going to run long. I didn't touch on the fact that you guys transferred from other schools. I'm going to come back in a minute. We're going to talk about that. Then we're going to go on to our new little segment that I'm calling our tick picks. Before that I just want to mention, if I can pull up real quick, the affiliates for Explored Chiropractic. I'm doing this all on my own all for free. Just trying to get the word out and help free chiropractic students. So if you want to help support us I don't want your money or anything but we all buy stuff and so I'm just going to share some things that I love and if they interest you then you can help us out by signing up for us. 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So Backblaze if you want to check that out go to exploringchiropractic.com backblaze so back to Robin and Ginny, you both mentioned to me that you were transfer student so both of you were at life one of you was at national and then you came to Sherman just briefly if you can what was it like at the other schools why did you decide to change? Ginny how about you go? Well I started out at national and the reason I went there I wasn't that attracted to their philosophy or you know lack of philosophy but I I went there for geographic reasons because my family was still there, my husband and my son and I kind of went there with the idea that chiropractic is chiropractic and I would get what I needed from there and practice chiropractic in my own way but what I discovered when I was there you know when you're in chiropractic school your whole life pretty much becomes what you're doing at chiropractic school because that's what you do all day and then you study all night and all weekend and I just found it was just very incongruent with the entire idea of chiropractic I'm sure that it's a good school for those who are medically oriented and you know and more rehab oriented and all that sort of thing but it really wasn't my thing and my husband announced that he was going to retire early and so since he wasn't going to be there I didn't see why I needed to stay at national school I chose life because of its philosophy and a lot of opportunity that it had and all and I was really really happy there but Sherman has more of the philosophy it's closer to where my family is it's a little smaller classroom it's a little more personal and it offers everything that I'm looking for so so it feels like it's been a good choice for me cool Robin what was your experience I started out an undergrad at life many many moons ago and I unfortunately was with the class that they had a accreditation problem so it was a choice of stay and hope for the best or go somewhere else I ended up going to Palmer, Florida to open it was there for a few quarters and then went back to life finished a nutrition degree instead of DC and continued working and doing that and decided well I was just going to be a nutritionist and alternative healthcare giver I percolated about it for years and Sherman just to see what it felt like and it was lovely and I like the fact that Sherman is smaller at life is a huge school as everyone knows and you're basically a knower what does the student body count at Sherman do you have an idea 250 that really is a small class a small student site we're at about 500 here I thought we were really small yeah you mentioned in your description of yourself that you're an older student you've got a lot of experience as you mentioned in the healthcare field what has it been like to later on in life come back to school and try to switch your career a bit it's not really a switch it's just kind of an add on type of thing I'm used to working with people it's only going to enhance what I already do so you're adding some more skills and more tools that you can use to help your patients that's great it's so fascinating to me to hear about students that have transferred to different schools because it's such a different perspective that they have as you, I think as you both mentioned you know you just chiropractic is chiropractic I'll just pick whatever school I want to go to but I hear all the time and say this isn't really what I thought it was right and I think it's great I have to commend anyone that has that courage to switch schools that's something that I would be kind of afraid of in my undergrad I was excited to go there but after some time it just didn't feel like the right fit but I had no idea what to do I didn't know where to go so I stuck it out and I'm glad I was happy with the experience you're in third quarter now at western states I'm in third quarter I'm looking at your thing and you could visit Sherman and check it out and transfer no problem I am pretty happy at western states it would save you some money it would save you some money I know someone was that's right we could eat some waffles and fried chicken I heard rumor a while back this is quite some time ago that a group of chiropractors that supported life west were going to support any student that wanted to transfer from a different school to life west and they're going to do it by giving them a large sum of money I'm not sure that they would pay for their entire tuition but I thought holy crap I would totally do that anything to minimize this just a quick bit of information for any potential students out there Sherman is constantly getting transfers from other chiropractic schools but in my entire 12 quarters at Sherman we have never lost a student to another school we keep them they don't leave they love it here not to my knowledge we've never lost we had one transfer we did have one transfer but you had one person transfer that was one student but many could do transfer in one out of three years there he is there he is oh my goodness sorry about that I got kicked out my mom tried to call me on FaceTime so sorry about that thanks for filling in for a little second yeah that's an interesting point that people haven't transferred from Sherman to other schools that is a very rare thing I know students that are transferring from all other schools from western states to western states from life west and that's pretty interesting well let's wrap this up thank you all this has just really been fascinating to learn more about the one school that I really haven't heard much about so to wrap it up I'd like to do something new for Exploring Chiropractic which is what I'm calling your tick pick and that's just one thing that you think anybody interested in chiropractic should really look into to find out a book a website a technique anything like that so I think we're just gonna get the items here on my page and let's start with Anna alright well as we previously mentioned Rachel and I are the co-presidents of the League of Chiropractic Women's Sherman College chapter and the thing that I want to share with potential students and other students at other schools is to get involved with the LCW even if you're not a woman in chiropractic even if you're a man that's going to chiropractic school but you've got a wife or a girlfriend get her involved also because any woman in chiropractic is going to need another space to communicate with women going through the same scenarios and we can learn from each other and grow with each other in a feminine setting so it's a way to help women grow in chiropractic and I know for me personally it's given me lots of opportunities to get to know other women doctors and CAs and wives of chiropractors and because of the LCW I'm going to be speaking at a conference in Manhattan in September and that's not something I thought I would ever in my whole life do Oh how cool Yeah so it's really encouraging me to step up and do more and have a lot of really really cool experiences that I otherwise probably would never have done So male chiropractors can be members of the League of Chiropractic or is it only women? There's a men's auxiliary and that's basically just a place for the men to support the women in chiropractic Really it is geared towards the wives the girlfriends, the women doctors the CAs, that sort of stuff within chiropractic Awesome that sounds great So the League of Chiropractic Women you can find more info at lcwmembers.com Awesome, thank you Ginny, you've got a tick-pick to share I do I'd like to introduce more about ICPA That's ICPA4 as in number 4kids.com You know I think as time goes on we're discovering that many adults don't even have an idea that they can bring their kids and have them adjusted and what kind of benefits there are to that So if you're interested in families which a great deal of us have family practices ICPA kind of helps you out gives you a lot more information about kids about parents about pregnant ladies there is a technique that helps pregnant ladies do labor a lot easier called the Webster technique there's just all kinds of really cool information and ways of more effectively adjusting breasting children So would someone that's treating children and pregnant women would they go as far as doing the whole gynecology aspect of treating them or is it how do they deal with the pregnant women No you know a lot of women these days are wanting to have midwives there are lots of women who do birthing centers and then some of course who choose their OBGYNs and do it at the hospital but the whole idea with chiropractic is that they would visit you know the chiropractor you know throughout their pregnancy My daughter is an ICPA chiropractor and she's also a doulin she will actually go to some of her patients during labor and help them through labor and a lot of times adjustment through labor will make things go much faster and much easier That's great, I'm fascinated by that stuff I'm single myself one of my closest friends who's in the program with me right now he and his wife just had their first baby and so it's fun to kind of hear his thoughts on does my baby get adjusted and of course his wife was coming to the clinic so that's great You know the birth process is really pretty traumatic so it's not unusual for a baby to be subluxated after the birth process so you know the earlier you can get to that and remove the subluxation you know the better the child's life goes they're not as colicky they're not as fussy a lot of times they sleep better their digestive tract works better Great, so that's the ICPA the International is a Council for Pediatric Association International Chiropractic Pediatric Association and you can find more information at ICPA, the number 4 kids.org and I know they are on Twitter, I've been following them for quite a while Great, thank you Rachel, what is your tick pick? Oh Rachel, I muted you I'm sorry I'll see if I can unmute you So what is your tick pick? Okay, my tick pick is a book that I'm reading right now which I'm sure our philosophy Virginia I'm sure has read already it's Volume 36, Palmer's Law of Life and it's a one of the green books, it's a shorter book though, a bunch of them are very very large and dense and take a while to read and digest so this one, I haven't read any of the ones yet, so this is helping me to just ease into it in addition to our philosophy classes which I'm not having this quarter right now so I need that input in that study, so Palmer's Law of Life, all about chiropractic and everything you need to know And this is by BJ Palmer Yes Looks like it's maybe available as a used book on Amazon if you wanted to go to chiropractic.com slash affiliates you could buy it through our Amazon link or you can just find it in your limer I bet Yes Awesome, Palmer's Law of Life That sounds really cool, thanks Rachel Yeah Robin, let's move on to you, what's your tick pick? I would say the club that I, president of the IFCO and for also students to if they do end up getting into a school to become involved in something Yeah, I think involvement enhances it I'm finding that it's so difficult because we're so busy as students That's the challenge, yeah But just attending the clubs getting involved in seminars and that type of thing really is great and I gotta say that IFCO has probably one of the best websites chiropractic websites I've seen It's got some great graphics and I noticed a little while back I was checking it out they've got scholarships they've got one coming up that let's see here if I can see it I'm thinking the leadership scholarship was when I was looking at five prizes totaling $5,000 Any little bit helps with paying our tuition every little bit helps they also have a lot of seminars they're having a summit in the end of September it's in the Dominican Republic it's like a philosophy weekend and as IFCO members student members can attend for free the summit is out unfortunately they will not pay for our airfares so we're on our own there but it's in a yeah awesome so the so IFCO you can find that at ifcokiro.org their seminars coming up and their scholarships for students they also have a really good student newsletter then people can go to that website and sign up for that okay weekly emails how often does that come out it is I believe every two weeks okay Virginia let's move on to you what's your tickpick my tickpick is a book that it's not kind of practical related but it's related in life just because it can aid in so many different areas it's the book Peaceful Warrior such a great book it really truly is for me personally it changed my life I was in the financial industry after my undergrad years and unhappy I was an advertising sales financial industry looking for something to do doing chiropractic thinking I was always going on to something bigger and better and instead when I watched that movie it's a great story about being present in your moments when I watched the movie and read the book but when I watched it originally I just stopped and I was like wow I'm not living life like that I'm living life always thinking of the next moment or thinking of the past rather than the present so for me personally I got out of a relationship I was in I changed my career and decided to go back to school and it just I always go back to it because chiropractic is so important to be present where you're at any profession you're in any avenue of life of course is important to be present it's just when we're giving those chiropractic adjustments our minds have to be so present with that patient and nowhere else so that's why I recommend it just because it's a total life changer for me personally it was I love it I think I first heard about it with the movie but then I got the book Dan Millman the author was an Olympic gymnast and had a horrible motorcycle accident and kind of throughout his university competition years met these mentors and he I think he puts them all together in the story as one man who he names Socrates because he doesn't know his real name and just the stories are fabulous and the one thing that stuck out to me the most I think was the diet that he put him on which is basically a raw diet and I don't know why that's kind of stuck in my mind and I've been planning recently to try that for a couple weeks yes he does talk about that very important for me personally what stuck out was and I always see it I always envision it from the movie he was just being so caught up in his life and you know he had to go meet Socrates for a lesson and he was rushing and he had to go to swim practice instead or I'm sorry gymnastic practice instead so he's rushing he's like he gets there he meets him he said alright let's go let's go and he's like let's make this quick today so he goes oh you want to make it quick and he takes him and just throws him right over the bridge that they're standing on into the water and this guy's going Dan is going what you're crazy what's going on and everything and he goes he goes that's a lesson done for the day he says what was that you know and he said what else were you thinking about at that exact moment nothing falling through the air and so he's just always teaching him to be present right where he's at focused such a great thing to do so it's available on Kindle it's available in paperback hardcover and as a movie and as an audio book by the way which I think I have got that one in audio there's another great book that he wrote which is called ordinary moments and that one really focuses on that being present and just experiencing life right now so that's great you can look it up the way of the peaceful warrior and I'll have a link in the show notes at ExploringCartPractic.com well my pick of the week is a great book that I came across and we're in our philosophy our philosophy class just a couple weeks ago and there was a quote up there by D.D. Palmer and the reference was to a book called The Chiropractor that was written by him and so I immediately pulled it up on Amazon on my iPad and I found that it's available in the Kindle edition and I've been reading this at night before I fall asleep and it's been incredibly eye-opening with lots of D.D. Palmer as far as how Chiropractic kind of came about and how he began experimenting with it and studying it so it's called The Chiropractor and what really blew me away was that some of the quotes just kind of were completely different than what I expected and so I want to share just two quotes here he says the method by which I obtained the information of certain physical phenomena from an intelligence in the spirit world is known in Biblical language as inspiration he goes on to talk about experiences where he kind of got some information about Chiropractic from this deceased doctor in the spirit world kind of crazy then the other quote that really blew me away is he said special or general is not the foundation upon which I built the science of Chiropractic Chiropractic is a science and I'm sure we could debate that for hours and hours and hours but man there are just so many things and that's just a lot of things are just very different than what I thought the originator of Chiropractic would have said of course there's many other books that he wrote but this one I think anyone who's interested in Chiropractic should learn about its origins and it's only $3.99 on Kindle, I mean how can you not I bought it right away when I saw that so the chiropractor D.D. Palmer I'll have a link to that one in the show notes as well well that brings us to the end of tonight's show thank you all so much for joining me tonight sharing some info about your school in Southern Carolina Do you have online presence? Facebook, Twitter, anything that you want people to follow you on? Sure, I've got a Facebook I'd love to have you Tell us how we can find you online Well it's Anna Elkins and Anna A-N-N-A-E-L-K-I-N-S and you just put in my name and it should come up I'll be the only one that goes to Sherman College Awesome, sounds good Ginny, any way we can find you online? Yes, the same way except I'm under Virginia Gross Virginia like the state, gross on Facebook I was going to say too there's an LCW site on Facebook for anyone who's interested in following that we have some really active clubs at Sherman and Life both, in fact, Sherman has the largest LCW student organization Oh wow, that is really great Because of these two ladies that are always getting everybody pumped up and excited Getting it done, wonderful Rachel, how can we find more about you? And I muted you again, when you unmute that I'll go to Robin real quick Facebook is coming All right, Virginia Facebook, yes Okay, great, Rachel, just on Facebook Facebook's fine, yep Okay, well great I'm Nathan Cashin, you can find me If you want to find me on Facebook, check out Exploring Chiropractic You can find me on Twitter at Nathan Cashin and check out ExploringChiropractic.com We do these shows just about every other week usually on Sunday nights and next up we should be getting Southern California University of Health Sciences back, we had a scheduling conflict there and then they went into their finals, so we missed out on them a couple weeks ago and I'm looking to kind of expand our audience and talk with some chiropractors I've been in touch with the chiropractor in Israel some students of ours went to the Maccabeea Games just recently, which is kind of the Jewish Olympic Games held in Israel every four years I believe, so we're going to be talking about some more stuff related to chiropractic but until then, ExploringChiropractic.com and thanks again for watching