 Welcome to another community conversation and I'm really excited today to have two members of the top 10 IT panel for 2022. We just released the top 10 of 2022 at our conference and so the time is right to ask these two panel members to come today. Welcome Bella. Welcome. If you look over at the top 10 issues themselves are there are there themes you see woven throughout all 10 or most of the 10 other than the theme of students of course. When I was thinking about themes, they feel like the kind of exit pandemic themes anyway so I think the top 10 kind of reflects that but also reflects wider society. We are coping with increased threat of all kinds and to kind of normal operations and demand for change is across all of those in the top 10 as well. And I think the really interesting part of the things that are woven in and the other things that I think we all struggle with is how we respond to those two things by building up the right skill set across our teams and our wider institutions. I think the bigger challenge is how you create the right culture, a fertile culture to be able to respond to all of those things. Yeah, for me, the themes that are really pervading throughout the top 10 this year is really what is the future of higher education and these themes actually precluded the pandemic that's just been accelerated. What the 21st century looks like and future of work, the future of learning, and, and now we're reacting to that very, very quickly, and we're seeing, you know, that across all these themes of the future being, you know, much more hybrid creativity and other skills beyond just digital skills for this 21st century economy are very critical. And we're seeing that important to the IT leaders right to help enable that. And then of course cyber security, because everything is digital right this new, this new future is a completely digitally enabled university and everything that we do. And so, not only are we ourselves and our teams much more critical, but the protection of all that, that digital technology and data, because it is extremely data driven as well as critical and so that's exciting for me right because we're really enabling, especially at scale for large universities like state and others to be able to deliver a really amazing student experience and hopefully at a very affordable cost as well. So when I think of the two of you on the IT panel, I always think it's all about the panelists sort of, you know, unloading their amazing insights. Maybe you can tell in my saying that that I've never been on the panel, but, but I'm curious, I imagine that it goes both ways and that, and that the process of really doing what we tend not to do is to sit and reflect on these things, you know, normally, you're so busy just doing what you're doing you don't, you don't wouldn't make the time to sit and reflect do you find that you learn a lot from the process of developing the top 10 IT issues. Definitely learn a lot and steal a lot from the top 10 issues and just this year as an example, you know, I personally and University we can talk a lot about skills and digital literacy and new skills that are needed for the future for our students. And this year, you know, one of the questions that actually I respond on was still creativity, and that wasn't specifically called out and a lot of the things that I talked about previously. And so that's something I've incorporated directly into the skills that we talk about preparing about digital skills that creativity is really critical. And it is important because more and more of the routine skills are becoming proven by AI, whatever it may be, right. And so not only digital literacy in terms of computational thinking is important, but these other skills such as creativity are extremely important. And so, so yes, to your point, John, that that time to step back and have that sort of 360 feedback and say okay yeah that's really interesting that's really manifesting itself into creativity in real critical as an example. One of the real benefits about being on a panel like this is sharing experience and thinking about how that would work in your own institution and kind of hearing people stories about what's worked well what we did and things. And someone said to me a couple of weeks ago that you know you guys are a couple of months ahead of us over the Atlantic. So, kind of knowing that things that are going to come down the line as well which is really useful as well. And so it was it was a really great learning experience for me as well and something that I'd love to do again. Okay, well nice to see you both. Thanks for making time to do with me. It's great to see you.