 Okay, so let's continue, we've been talking about sex and sexuality and the kind of biblical view of it, what the scriptures talk about. So yeah, for us to have a biblical view before we get into marriage, and also hopefully it'll clarify certain things in our own mind if we are already married, and this is what the Word of God says, and this is what our view should be when it comes to marriage, right? So yeah, any questions so far? Any questions on what we've been discussing? Yeah, John, go ahead, please. So this is something which has happened recently, one of the couples which I personally know, individually they had gone through a divorce and now they got to know each other through a different source and individually they had gone through a divorce and now they are coming together and they have been engaged but not married, but something, you know, the intimacy relationship has started before marriage. So is there a way we can, you know, of course we can talk about this, the importance of it, but how do we handle this kind of a situation? They are not yet married into a covenant relationship, but they are engaged. Yeah, yeah, I think to really point to this truth and tell them very firmly, lovingly but firmly to say that, you know, this is the standard, this is the expectation of scripture, this is God's expectation and, you know, anything else is going to have consequences. You know, it's a, sex is a gift to be enjoyed within the context of marriage. So I think maybe if you get an opportunity to talk to the person, talk to the man and also maybe as a couple, if you can get to talk to the couple to talk to both of them and say, you know, this is what it is, like if they have, I don't know who is actually, you know, confided. So whoever is confided in you, you know, maybe you can just tell that person that, you know, this is what it is and you need to do whatever it takes, you know, to wait, you know. The other thing is also as a church, if you're looking to the church to solemnize, you know, this is our expectation again. This is our standard, you know, for the couples who are, who need to be prepared for marriage, you know, this is a standard and the standard is just a biblical standard and this is the heart of God. So, you know, we'd like you to do that. So do that firmly and, yeah, and I'm sure they'll see reason. Yeah, so that's the thing. It came through parents and they have part of another church. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Oh, they're part of another church, it came through some other source and it's a little clicky because they'll want to know who, you know, how did you get the information and it's going to create a lot of things. But then, yeah, maybe, I don't know, this is a difficult thing, right? The parents come here, the couple goes elsewhere and, yeah, maybe the parents can talk to, you know, the leader of the church or the pastor of the church, where they attend, you know, the couple attends. Yeah, that's the best way. And of course, one of the ways to do it is to give them the resources, you know, ask the parents to give the couple the resources, you know, Christian resources, which talks about marriage preparation. And it's actually a very complicated, I wouldn't say complicated, it's slightly complex than preparing for a, you know, a regular thing because both of them have had previous marriages. So they have, you know, all that baggage and it's not worked. So, you know, so they have all that baggage. So definitely they should go through a marriage preparation, you know, which will prepare them, go through a time of prayer, healing, you know, get rid of all those baggage, hurts, regret pains, because they're going to be looking at their, you know, though right now they might be all excited and emotionally caught up in things, but they, you know, they're going to be carrying all that pain and trauma into this relationship and looking at the other person, you know, with all that, those filters, you know, suspicion, whatever, hurt. So it's important that they go through preparation and any children from the previous marriage? No, not for both of them. Yeah, yeah, because that again will add to that also because the children also have to be prepared if that is the case. Okay, thanks, John. Yeah, yeah, thanks. Yeah, okay, I think some of the questions that normally, you know, people ask is, okay, I had a past. Okay, I had a past of maybe multiple, you know, relationships which involved sex so now how do I, you know, go forward with it, with this, right? So I think we kind of address that thing is to repent, which means not just acknowledge, but also to forsake, right? So what happens is like if there has been a past relationship, physical relationship, maybe it was one person, maybe it was multiple people, what happens is the emotional thing, you know, sometimes continues, right? And also to see, you know, has there been any further communication, you know? Sometimes people come to the thing saying, okay, we are just friends now. You know, we have forgotten everything and we have kind of decided to go our own separate ways, but we are friends now and okay, so what are you doing as friends? Well, we chat, we talk, we do all that, you know. So the thing is, there is still that emotional bond. You're talking and it's very, very dangerous, you know, it's dangerous territory, right? So one has to have a complete, I might even use the word surgical, a cutting away of that relationship or relationships, right? All the emotional bonds, everything needs to be completely cut away before going on into this or, you know, maybe if you're, you know, if this person is married and if they've had, you know, a similar thing to cut away emotionally, to cut away all forms of, you know, communication, no texting, no calling, you know, it's absolutely, you know, it's not warranted. Okay, now in today's society again, you know, there is a complexity, you know, this ends, what if, you know, you've had a divorce and then there is a child from the previous marriage and, you know, as a parent, you have visitation rights. Therefore, you need to anyway, you know, be in touch with your, you know, former ex-wife or ex-husband and well, you know, then also, you know, you know that it has to be within bounds, you cannot, you know, emotionally you cut away completely, but then for the sake of the child, of course, you are in touch and coordinating certain things, maybe child education, maybe there is fees to be paid, you know, so many other things, right? So one has to be prepared for that. And so definitely what we would suggest is go through a marriage preparation, you know, and even after, you know, something like that to be prepared for that, you know, there are ministries which, you know, kind of who are called to that, you know, because this is their calling, you know, because it's a very complex society that we live in. It was not how it used to be. And as soon as really ravaged and broken relationships and created such a havoc, but there is redemption, there is restoration in Christ and the message of the cross is, you know, for us, for Christ will save the uttermost, right? So yeah, so sadly, you know, we see that in church as well, you know, among people of God. So the church needs to be equipped to handle such scenarios, because the cross speaks restoration in all such scenarios. Yeah. Okay. So what help can pastor's wife get if the pastor is in sexual sin, like pornography, when the wife doesn't want to bring this to the open because of the fact that the ministry will be at stake and children too. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very, again, a real scenario. You know, what we read about, et cetera. So the thing is for the pastor's wife to get help from another, maybe another pastor couple, someone whom the pastor looks up to, someone whom the as a couple, you're fellowshiping with them, you know, but okay, level one is definitely for the couple to talk to each other, like the wife to talk to the husband. And to say that, okay, this needs to be dealt with, it's not helping us, it's not helping the marriage, it's not helping the ministry. It's definitely detrimental in all counts, right? So and the person also living with so much of guilt and shame is trying to push it away, you know, it's like a time bomb, just waiting to explode on the inside, implode rather. So first of all, for the wife to address it to the husband, bring it to the husband and the husband to come to a place of saying, okay, I need help. That's the thing. Because if the person says, I don't, you know, you just find your own business, I'm going to do this. And it's going to be a very difficult thing. But of course, either ways, you know, if there is another pastor couple, and who can be confidential or another pastor, counselors or, you know, some, or even a marriage counselor is another couple who can be confided in and who can keep these things confidential and do this, right? And do the whole process of restoration, counseling and so on. And also it's important for the person for the one in ministry to take a break while all this is happening, right? Sometimes it's, I don't know whether in this situation it'll be possible because they're another person to step in and, you know, to take a break. So it's quite a, it's a difficult thing. But first of all, it starts with confrontation, loving confrontation. It starts with acknowledging that it's a problem. So I would say practically, the wife needs to do it, you know, there needs to be loving confrontation. And it needn't be bringing out in the open, doesn't have to be like, you're dragging the person's name in the mud, you know, it's like, it doesn't have to be that. So bringing it to open is bringing it to the knowledge of people who can be trusted and who can speak into this problem and bring restoration. So that is what, that is a biblical model that we see, you know, the Lord Jesus also, you know, says that if you have a problem, then you go and ask that, you tell that to the brother. And then, and Paul actually writes about that, like, to Timothy says, okay, then you take two others with you. Right. And then if the problem still continues, then you need to make it public. There's no other, it's a painful thing, but it has to be made public. Right. So, so that is the pathway. And hopefully, you know, the person will change. Yeah, I hope that helps. Any other question? Oh, first, one more question. Yeah. Go ahead. And after John's success can have his question. Yeah. First, when we talk to young people about physical intimacy, let's say, before marriage is holding hands, hugging, all these things, okay, or where is the limit? Hmm. So, it's again, a very subjective thing, right? So, you know, it depends on the, on the culture as well, right, culture in a particular place. Like if you typically in India, you know, the home, my hometown, where I grew up in, well, there was no, there was no holding hands. There's no question of hugging. Um, well, there was shaking hands when you wished for Christmas in New Year, and that was it. So, even when we said hello, it was, it was like that, right? We know how things are changing. If you go down further south, it's even more conservative place where I, where I was born, uh, you know, very conservative. It's like people wish each other, you know, with folded palm and that's, that's how it is. So, there's no thing, but the thing is okay. Okay. There is a, there is a, you know, if you look at other cultures, maybe, you know, they are wishing each other this way and, you know, so there is a, there is a boundary, okay, between, there is a difference between sexual touch and a non-sexual touch, right? So, so one needs to be clear in that and, and talk to the young people about that. So, that is that. And then make it very clear that, um, um, well, you know, if, if, let's say for example, you are a church and you have a certain culture, right? And you are in a certain place and you have a certain culture. And now this is kind of subjective, right? So, so you decide and as a church leader, you say, okay, this is, this is what, um, you know, we are about as a, as a church, you know, this is what, this is our way of greeting, this is our way of, you know, so it might seem like a little restrictive, little, you know, old fashioned, but it, it really helps. Like you're, you're, you're just putting it out there saying, this is, this is the culture, this is the norm. Otherwise the world defines the culture for you, right? So you're saying as a, as believers as a culture. Now it's not a question of right or wrong. It's not, we're not saying that, okay, it's, it's, if you, if you're going to be hugging someone, it's going to be sin. But, uh, you know, this is, this is what we have. So you can, you can define that, you know, um, and you can say, okay, this is the accepted thing. Yeah. Of course, uh, we're not going to look down on people who are going to be, you know, you're going to immediately say, you did that, but from time to time, you're going to say, this is the culture and it'll catch on. Right. So yeah, John, any further questions on that? I mean, does it? Okay. Okay. Yes, Axis. Uh, you raised your hand. Yes. Good morning, Pastor. Good morning. Um, I want to be, I want you to please, uh, enlighten us more on internet marriage. A lot of it is on internet marriage, internet marriage, internet marriage. A lot of marriage, a lot of people have divorced after wedding, maybe after having issues, maybe a child coming, being married, having been married and you know, it's because I, I keep on thinking, you met a guy and a lady and you love him or her, and at the end of the day you will be seeking for divorce and putting us pastors in a giving us a dick. So, uh, what can sell, can church or pastors give to a lady or a guy who came and said, I've seen the bone of my bone and this is where we met, maybe we met an internet or we met with this because the rate of marriage and the single murders is much as a result of internet marriage in such case work. Thank you, sir. Right. So when you say internet marriage, it's like they met, uh, on the internet, maybe through a chat or, um, you know, some other, um, forum. Yeah. Yeah. So the thing is, um, you know, the internet is an interesting place. It fosters connection. It gives, you know, your network, you, you, but, but also, um, you don't get to really know the person fully, you know, of course you can, you know, have chats and discussions and so on. But you don't really get to know the person fully till you beat them face to face. It's how you can, you can understand them to a some extent. So yeah. So that way the internet is helpful also has its downsides. Okay. So the thing is the important thing is this, you know, uh, whether we meet in person or on the internet or, you know, um, the, the real problem is, um, the real challenge is to have a proper understanding of what marriage is. You know, you might have feelings for that person. You might say, okay, I am serious about this person and maybe we are, we are, and you might like certain, you know, characteristics about that person. And then you come to your own conclusion saying, okay, we are meant for life or, you know, we are, uh, you know, meant for a long-term commitment and so on. You decide, well, uh, what, what however it is, you know, the thing is to prepare oneself of both the people, both people involved need to prepare themselves for what's ahead. Need to understand what marriage is because marriage is being defined, distorted, uh, by various use. And also we have our own tradition and culture, uh, which need, we need not be always good, you know, add to the mix. So one needs to be prepared. You know, we, we see that we are living in a time where one has to be prepared for marriage. Um, and, uh, one needs to understand what marriage is and understand the person. So, which means that one needs to go through a marriage preparation. It could be by the church, it could be via ministry, uh, it, but it's so, so important to do that. And during the course of the, you know, marriage preparation, well, you might reach a stage where you say that, okay, you know, this person is not, you know, not for me. Okay. And, uh, we've had some certain, uh, certain, certain situations where, uh, you know, halfway through the couple decided, well, there are too many things. There are too many differences. There are too many, uh, you know, which we didn't talk about initially. We thought, okay, we were, we were excited and we wanted to get married and all that. But then we, when we talk about a, this is what marriage is and there are too many things that we didn't really understand, that we didn't really look into. And, uh, you know, then they actually stopped there and it is great that they've stopped right there rather than getting married and, you know, uh, getting separated after that. So, yeah, so, so success. Yeah. So, this is the thing, you know, with respect to how people have met to have an understanding of marriage to be prepared for what's ahead is very, very crucial. And I think that will really solve, now that will actually equip the person, equip the couple. But still, they have to live it out. You know, they have to make their decisions. They, it's, it's up to them. But the fact is they have the understanding and the fact is also that they can lean into God and they can involve, now invite God in there because many people, many people don't do that. They don't invite, they don't factor in God's presence and they don't invite, uh, him into the marriage at all. Right. So, um, so now they are actually in a better place to handle conflicts, to handle differences, to handle the temptations that come from the world to, to, you know, to forego all these emotional attachments and so on. Um, so they are in a much better place to, uh, you know, to handle this relationship, this beautiful thing called marriage. Right. I hope that helps success. Yes, sir. That's fine, sir. Right. Thank you. Okay. So any other thoughts or any other questions, um, that you might have? Yes. Sure. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. I just want to also you to share your thought on a certain aspect of, like you are saying, where you grew up. Well, in our part of the country, to where I grew up, uh, there were certain things that was happening. It's real now, but let's just consider the scenario. Um, at times people get married, the husband and the wife, and after some time the husband passes away. Uh, it was happening. Um, the family sometimes consider that. I mean, we don't want this lady or this woman to go away from the family. Let's get somebody in the family so that they can get married. Let's also see if you accept that the a brother passes away and they choose a brother who is not yet married, but what is ready or ready to marry. How do we look at it or how that's your thought? Is it? Yeah. Yeah. I hope you understand. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Um, I understand your question. So the thing is, okay, uh, man, usually it's this, the man pauses away and then, you know, there's someone in the family whom the family considers and then they, you know, uh, so the thing is, um, uh, well, and, uh, you know, it's, uh, it's done with sincerity. It's done with good intentions because, uh, they, you know, they want, uh, the girl to be protected. They want maybe a father to the children, uh, you know, a provider who'll take care of the family, all that, you know, the good, it's done with good intentions, but you should also understand that, um, you know, it has certain, you know, the way it might be accepted in society, it has certain, you know, repercussions, consequences. Like, uh, one is the consent of, or let's say, you know, the, the grieving, uh, you know, the grieving wife, you know, she's, uh, she's going through a process of grieving. She's going through a season of believement. So the question to ask is, uh, you know, has she healed completely? Right. Has the person healed completely? You know, there's a season of grieving and it might, it might differ for different people. Right. It might, uh, uh, the duration, right? Uh, it needs time. So is the family giving time for that? Okay. So since their intention is the good of the girl, are they giving time for the person to heal? Uh, if there are children involved, what about their emotional state? You know, are they ready? They've just seen the father is no more. And so are they ready for one more? You know, person in the family to take that place. And, and the children are, you know, children go through various things, right? Sometimes they go through guilt. You know, they, they feel that, okay, they should have done something to prevent this. You know, they, they just sometimes feel so guilty. You know, I wish I could have done something. I feel so helpless. My father died, father passed away or, um, and, and you know, it's, it's a little complex. So the children also need to be in a place to place of acceptance, right? They are also grieving. Okay. Then the other thing is the consent, okay? Well, it might be tradition, uh, to do this. Um, but what about the consent of the, of the woman? Right? Maybe she, maybe she doesn't want to, you know, she doesn't want to get married at all. But, um, because of social pressure, is she saying yes? Um, or, you know, is it, what about the consent? Uh, so that's, that's also a very important aspect. Are they forcing her to do it? Because even in India, there are certain things that, uh, that are forced on the, on the widow, right? Because she's lost and then, you know, so many things that are forced. So is it with the consent? Uh, well, society tradition customs could dictate various things, but are you overriding the very basic right of a human being, which is, uh, you know, their choice, which God does not override, right? So is it with the whole hearted? Yes. Or are they just giving it to pressure? So then if it is a whole hearted, yes. Then again, preparing for it, you know. So, so we, we have come, you know, as a society and as a church, we have, you know, God has brought us, we have journeyed, uh, to where we are right now in our time. So we have the understanding of what marriage is. We have the resources, the word of God, the spirit of God, and the wisdom and the knowledge and understanding. So, so it's our responsibility to, you know, to maybe as pastors, as leaders, as family members to, to make sure that, okay, the person is equipped for it, right? Otherwise the cycle continues. There are challenges and the society says, yeah, it will be like this. You know, it has to continue like this. You just need to just, you know, just bear with it. This is how it is. And, and nothing happens. Then they, they break away and then the children, um, they, you know, uh, they have certain complications in life because of what they experienced, you know, in the home and so on. So the cycle again spreads not only with this generation, it goes on to the next generation. So it's, it's very detrimental. So we need to consider all that and say, okay, um, you know, let's do something different. Right? Uh, if it's, if it's help, let's do it. Uh, if it's, uh, you know, if it's, if it's with the consent of the person, yeah, sure. But let the person get an understanding of what marriage is. Let the person be healed and let the person, uh, come to a place of strength and restoration before entering to marriage. Yeah, Isaac, I think that is what I would say. Anyone else who wants to share anything, probably John, you have something to share. Um, anyone else, you're most welcome to share your thoughts also. So Isaac, I hope that helps. Um, yes, yes, Pastor, I, uh, all I tell you agree, uh, with the point, especially the consent of the woman, which is, yeah, which is very, very important. And then the second point, yes, getting the children at any age, even at a young age, for them also to accept, because sometimes if the acceptance is not genuine, it can backfire. I accept. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thank you, Pastor. Right. Right, Isaac. Most welcome. Okay. Okay. So, um, yeah, so, um, so, you know, when we, when we talk about all this, when we look into marriage and sometimes you might come to the conclusion, oh man, marriage is so complex. It's so complicated. It's so, it seems like not so much fun, but actually, you know, it's, it's the opposite of that, you know, while we, while it has all these complexities. Um, but it is, uh, it is a lifelong companionship. It's a journey of, uh, you know, where you enjoy each other, right? Uh, physically, emotionally, spiritually. Um, there's a lot of edification that happens. There's a lot of sharing. There's a lot of joy and there's a lot of laughter. And of course, there's a lot of, uh, you know, uh, sharing of your pain and, um, caring of one another's burdens and all that. So I can testify to that. Okay. So it's, uh, it's, um, it's not always, um, you know, as, uh, we, we are going into some of the, some of the negative things. It's always good to look at the, you know, those things and talk about how to deal with it because that's the, you know, those are the challenge. We're looking at all the challenges. So sometimes it's like, you know, what if I face all this, you know, no, you won't. And as you prepare yourself, you know, I'm sure that you'll be strong and, uh, and God's grace will, you know, lead you. Yeah. So yeah, I just wanted to mention that. Okay. Right. Okay. So, um, one other aspect, you know, since we're talking about, uh, physical intimacy and relationship and so on. Um, the other thing to, uh, to, to talk about is also, um, uh, deciding, you know, when to have children, how many, and so on. You know, this is sometimes, uh, it's just like, uh, uh, well, we say, you know, unspoken thing, right? Um, because, um, this is what happens at, uh, actually in Indian society, this is typically very prevalent. Uh, there's a lot of pressure from the parents and, uh, you know, in-laws, uh, okay, about children. You know, a couple is married and, uh, maybe for a year, they'll just let them be in peace. You know, and then, uh, after that, um, the typical question they ask is any good news. So at least in the south of India, you know, that's what happens. Any good news, any special, any, anything special, any good news. And you know, it's within quotes, right? So you know that, uh, when, when the elders and the family ask that, they're actually asking about a, when are the children due? You know, when are the great grandparents arriving on the scene, grandchildren arriving on the scene and things like that. So there's a, you know, every occasion, every get together, the same question, you know. Um, see, the thing is, it's, uh, it's okay. I mean, if you look at any one aspect, but then the couple could be having some problems, right? It could, there could be infertility, there could be, uh, you know, maybe impotency, uh, so they could be having, you know, all these challenges. So for them, it's painful to even hear these questions over and over again. Right? So, so as, I think as families, we also need to be a little sensitive to these things that there could be other aspects to why the couple is not having children, right? Um, well, you know, having said that, uh, well, the natural progression is, of course, uh, you know, uh, because of sexual relationships and, uh, relationship, uh, between the husband and the wife, well, children, uh, are the natural outcome. So, so the question is, uh, for the husband and wife to, to talk about that, right? Okay. When can we have children, you know, do we want to have children immediately? Should we wait for a few years? Um, so it's, it's entirely up to them, right? So, so talk about that and to decide that, um, there could be some surprises. Well, you know, to be ready for that. Um, so, uh, talk about children, decide when to have children, uh, and so on. Okay. Um, and also, um, okay. In, in, in case of, um, okay, let's say delayed pregnancy, you know, you're saying, deciding that, okay, we will have children maybe at a later time, later stage, we're not ready yet financially, whatever. Okay. What steps are you going to take, you know, and also once you have children, maybe you have two or three, okay, uh, are you going to take any steps? So, you know, you, um, you're, you're decided, okay, these are the number of children that we're going to have. So any decisions, um, that you're going to take, you know, medically, otherwise. So you did talk about that, uh, so that there are no surprises. And, and also, you know, if there is, um, you know, if there is a miscarriage or infertility and so on. Um, so the, the thing is to look to God for that, like to look to God, to change, um, to look to God for his promises, for his word. Uh, there could be, you know, many reasons why there's infertility. You know, it could be a number of reasons. Um, you know, maybe something physically that is something's not right with the man, with the woman, what could be, you know, so, um, sometimes there is a lot of blame, you know, on the woman, right? The society says, okay, it's because, because of her, because of, you know, so, um, so between the husband and the wife, there should be understanding. There should be, you know, nurture and care for one another. There's no blame here, you know, because you are one, right? And, uh, and to be understanding, to not, uh, you know, to not, uh, be harsh and rude and trample the other person, uh, because of this, you know, to look to God, to change the situation. And there are so many testimonies where people just gave up, the couple just gave up. They said, okay, uh, medically it's not possible. And then God did a miracle, right? Or it could also be certain things that they need to change. Maybe it's a lifestyle, maybe it's something to do with their, their own bodies and, you know, sperm count and all that. And so we can do some medical intervention, you know, which is available and, uh, and, uh, you know, that, that, that solves the problem, right? So there's no need to panic. There's no need to just get into depression. There's no need to, you know, blame each other and be, you know, so that, so because of that condition, you know, the marriage should not just fall apart, right? So, so in marriage preparation, we, you know, address this as well and saying, okay, you know, should there be a scenario, you know, how will you handle it? Okay. Right. Okay. And the other thing is also about, uh, you know, about abortion, uh, that abortion is not, not an option. Okay. And, um, you know, when is it an option? When the life of the mother is at risk? Okay. So that is the only, uh, only case, you know, because I, my mother is a gynecologist or she was practicing, she was a practicing gynecologist. And I know that, uh, you know, we've been talking about these things right from childhood, you know, uh, they, my parents used to talk about what some of the challenges, et cetera. So, um, so the thing is this, when it comes to, uh, life is sacred. Uh, and so, um, so also life in the womb is sacred. So, um, so abortion is a very, uh, I mean, it's a fine line. It's a very subjective thing. And, uh, it should be only when there is threat or danger, you know, to that, that is when the doctors also, you know, should intervene and, and do something. Okay. But, but even then, you know, always, to believe God for, uh, supernatural recovery and restoration. Right. Um, but very clearly, yes. This is what the doctors also, you know, uh, have in mind. Okay. If there is a, if there is a possibility of saving both the, the baby and the mother, yes. But if only one, you know, they will normally tend to save the life of the mother. Okay. So, so what, what about, um, you know, maybe, uh, there were some decisions taken to abort and, uh, I don't know. Maybe, you know, uh, uh, people who are married and maybe you've had that kind of a scenario, um, with you, you know, in your home. So the thing is to again, go back to God, you know, maybe it was done in ignorance, maybe it was done willfully, whatever be the case, um, to go to God and go to the Lord and ask for forgiveness and healing and, uh, yeah, and restoration. Right. In that area. Uh, and it's available. Healing is available. Restoration is available. Uh, uh, and, and the Lord will do that. Right. Um, so, so, so that would, um, that is when it comes to, um, the whole topic of, uh, abortion. Okay. Um, let's look at a few more things. Okay. I think we looked at, um, you know, as people get on in age. Okay. What about, um, what about sex? What about, uh, what about one spouse does not, you know, have interest in sex and, and so on. Um, so, so typically we see that, um, you know, men, the male, uh, uh, men, uh, normally do not, you know, it's a physical thing for them, and they do not normally very easily lose their interest in sex. Okay. Um, but for a woman, it's not just a physical act. Uh, a woman needs to feel loved emotionally before she can come to the place of, uh, enjoying sexual intimacy. Okay. So it's actually an emotional intimacy first before sexual intimacy, but for a man, the sexual intimacy itself, it's all packaged in one. So, so, um, so one needs to understand that. So, um, so the thing is to keep the joy of sexual intimacy, right? Alive throughout. Um, and also to do what it takes to, um, to have that emotional intimacy, right? To do what it takes to have more emotional intimacy. I think we, we looked at it earlier also that, um, um, you know, having those conversations, having those physical gestures of, uh, you know, non sexual affection, right? You know, holding hands or hugging or, you know, all that between the, of course, talking about husband and wife, uh, very clear about that. So, yeah. So all the verbal affection, physical affection, right? So all that is required for a long-term, you know, emotional and sexual intimacy. So many times couples struggle because there's, uh, oh, you know, there's silence in the home, right? The man, the man is completely, you know, he's, he's into just monosyllables. Yes, no, maybe, uh, he's more interested in his newspaper and also, you know, on his social media feeds, Instagram or whatever, is just, so absolutely there's no conversation happening. And this is typically, we're talking about a, you know, season in life where, uh, maybe the children are, uh, you know, they're finished schooling, they're maybe into, they're, they've moved to another, uh, city or town for their education, for a higher education, or maybe they've just moved out of home, working elsewhere. And husband and wife are completely like, uh, you know, they're out of sorts, you know, because earlier the children, at least with the bridge that you could communicate now, they are not there and other props through whom you could communicate. And so it doesn't have to, you know, come to that place. It doesn't have to disintegrate or come to that place of, uh, uh, you know, uh, the relationship need not come to that place, right? So it can, so intentionally again, uh, we keep those things alive, right? Um, talking and, you know, physical affection and, and et cetera. Okay. So with that, we, uh, we come to the end of this chapter and we'll, uh, I think we'll stop here right away. Um, yeah, I know that, um, you know, there could be questions, uh, you know, there could be other, so feel free to ask, you know, even about the previous chapters, you know, if there are questions in our forthcoming classes, right? If you feel that, okay, this is a, this is something that you always wanted to ask and needed to be asked, needed to be cleared. Uh, you feel free to ask, even if the scope of discussion is, uh, you know, if it's something in the, what we have already discussed in the past, uh, in that class, you feel free to ask, right? Okay, so I guess we'll stop here and then, uh, yeah, we'll meet in the next class, right? Okay. Any, any questions, closing comments before we wind up? Anything at all? Okay. None whatsoever. Fine. Okay. So we'll stop here and then we'll meet in the next class. Thank you. God bless. Thank you, pastor. Right. Bye.