 On you to all right hang out is live. Don't pick your nose I will your friends. Well, mr. Ohanian does have confirmation on his Twitter feed so it's real It was just weird it's just weird that we're not seeing the other outlets run with it yet I bet they're all scrambling around trying to find their own unique quote Hmm Much bad humor around that oh tesla earnings probably not worth tearing up the lineup for but let's take a look Planet-based courtship Tesla CEO Elon Musk managed to send his Roadster into space earlier this week And it looks like his week is still looking up Who wrote the arrow were then expected loss? Damning praise company slightly beat Wall Street expectations on the financial front still targeting producing 25 Yeah, there's nothing super surprising in this. This is all Tesla did okay What if the first alien contact we make is like an alien just basically flying his car back like they modify it And they just fly like that Jim Carrey wants people to delete their Facebook accounts and dump the stock Jim Carrey Yes, that Jim Carrey, okay He which Jim Carrey, I'm just like book You mean the guy that also teamed up with his ex-wife We must encourage more oversight by the owners of these social media platforms This easy access has to be more responsibly handled but we need now or Jim Jim Cramer or Jim Carrey Jim Carrey All right, all right just a guy who talked out of his butt on living color. Yep that Jim Carrey Yeah, that's the last thing he did He did that movie What was the one where he played that that comedian? You know man on the moon Andy Kaufman I think it was man on the moon Man in the moon. If you believe oh my god that I should stop doing that Detective actually the Truman show is still an extraordinary movie the US post office Mr. Roger stamp Like a series or just a single commemorative stamp Mr. Roger stamp celebrating the host of the children's show Dedication will take place at Fred Rogers studio in Pittsburgh Doesn't say just shows one It'd be really set a set I would have well they usually do sets because that's more appealing to collectors Yeah Like I got the one of the the animals There's a chameleon and that went on my power bill and then there's the Canine thing and that went on my mortgage You know we get those ASPC a Label address labels, right? They send you the address labels to get you to donate and I I actually Always put the kittens on my bills I put the dogs on people I know and then the ones that don't have anything on them. I just save until the end Bills and kittens Yeah, sorry That's okay. It's cuz cuz I'm like we're not we don't have cats So it would make it would be confusing to people I know if they're like wait, why is our cat on there? I didn't return the bill the people that get bills. They don't care At least they haven't expressed any Concern yet Can't wait for the power company to be like hey and look before you say Tom. Why don't you pay your bills online? complicated system involving my landlord and Shared property and it has to be paid. I pay I pay half my bills online And I pay the other half with paper checks and you change it up No, there's certain things I'm really paranoid about if something were to happen to me I want my wife to still get a reminder that something's due. Yeah Yeah, bill reminders. I bet some systems do this I haven't really checked but shouldn't bill reminders come with multiple email addresses so that you know But it's even that because then my wife would need to set up a new Account or credit card, you know what I mean like it's just easier just to write a check and In some cases not always but in some case. Oh, yeah anything that it requires a pen a checkbook an envelope and a stamp possible So I tweeted is high res audio the next big thing or just another buzzword and cranky bizarre on Twitter says It's an easier question to answer if you just rephrase it as how long did s a CDs last? several Thought that was funny. I Used a pen my writing skills have plummeted so bad It's I've since I've started typing like it's hard. I can't even sign my name correctly I used to be pretty good at sending my name. Oh, you mean like penmanship. Yeah, it's just like it's it's my my muscles of atrophied Okay, you guys ready, uh, yes Well good, so am I Here oh we go Oh Daily tech news show is powered by you So what are you waiting for? Just takes like a couple minutes go to patreon.com slash dts and back us. We'll wait for you Or if you're confused go to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday February 7th 2018 from dts headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and joining us again from tech thing. Mr. Patrick Norton. How's it going? Hey everybody? Welcome back Patrick. We're very excited to have you explain high-res audio And how it differs from other things that we've heard of that sound like high-res audio No Looking forward to that that's gonna be at our main discussion after a little bit our producer Roger Chang is with us as well Roger, how are you? I am okay Just okay I don't believe in saying I'm great or I'm fantastic because nine times out of ten people would be Bessing that aspect unless you feel fantastic then then it would be you know You can't feel fantastic all the time right unless something else is although no one really asks How are you when you're like expecting to? Really bad want to hear about it? Let me where do I start? Well, I'm feeling fantastic or am I let's start with a few tech things you should know This might make you feel better Tom Microsoft has released an iPad version of the Cortana voice Assistant app iOS the app takes advantage of the bigger screens on tablets and launches 20% fast so cool also HP announced updates to its corporate laptop models with a new range of 800 series elite books Z book workstations 4k monitors and a cool new dock laptops come out this month and borrow the streamlined look of the Consumer versions with some business features HP's Thunderbolt dock G2 comes with Thunderbolt 3 and USB C connections and Has an audio module that can turn it into a high res okay, it's not really high res but it turns it into a speaker From now until June 30th Microsoft will give one drive for business free to new customers for the duration of whatever Contract the business had with a Google box Google or box or drop box the offer has a maximum duration of three years Going after the business And right before the show reddit co-founder Alexa Sohanian announced he's stepping down from his daily duties at the company He will remain on reddit's board says he'll focus on initialized capital That's the early stage retro capital firm. He co-founded and he will also focus on his personal life Now here are some more top stories the information has sources that say Google is preparing a game Streaming service not like Twitch. That's what YouTube's for but a game streaming service that would let you play the games It's called project Yeti service would stream from a Google made Console if the information sources have it right project is supposedly led by VP of product management Mario Keros and VP of engineering Maja Baker Google also hired former Microsoft and Sony employee Phil Harrison last month interesting thing about Harrison is he worked on Gaikai the thing that eventually became a PlayStation now So this is curious We've got Google getting into the same PlayStation now type of business of Streaming you something but also making you buy a hardware product to do it I don't know Yeah, I can tell the skepticism is just rolling over all three of you Skeptical I'm just sort of like Well, first of all like yeah, I guess Google should have done that before okay. That doesn't it doesn't it's not like out of line with yeah, they've got the server's hardware, but But yeah, I'm sort of trying to wrap my head around what it would be Yeah, so it's what's gonna be like PlayStation now So the idea is you buy this box from Google Yeah plug it into your television and then you can play top-line games. They're there to supposedly have Conversations going on with all the top game publishers and you don't have to install the games You you can play top-line games as if you were playing them on top-line hardware without having to own the top-line hardware Yeah, I mean that's cool It just seems like I don't know when you think of YouTube and and other stuff where it's like if you could Bundle something bigger into a box that would be more of an entertainment center that's a good question What else is gonna be on this box because the Nvidia shield which has Nvidia's version of this Does exactly that it bundles in basically Android apps so that you can watch Netflix and Hulu and all of that Who's to say that won't be on this box that that would might make that might make it more appealing It seems like this is one of those things where you know, what was on live? Yeah You know it was founded in 2003. I feel like it's finally started shipping product in volume in 2010 in 2015, you know the remaining patents were sold off to Sony It's just it seems like you know cloud gaming is something that all of these places want Especially when you're looking at you know, the possibilities of like, hey Can we bring gaming, you know scale up gaming and get kids out of internet cafes or the gaming cafes in China or India or whatever and I don't know. It's it's an interesting idea If it works as well as a Chromecast right, it's the thing that will never work until somebody makes it work Yeah, and Google certainly has the resources to slow to slow at it to throw at it. So I don't know, you know I'm intrigued. I just wish it was available in the Chrome browser or on a Chrome OS device or just a regular old laptop with windows Perhaps it will be sir. Maybe you know what else is intriguing. Yes fake videos Well, excuse me. Well to some people anyway deep big videos are a thing where AI is used to put a person's hand On another person's body They have been banned by porn hub. We all know what porn hub is if not just just you know Just think about it the company forbids any non consensual Twitter has also banned deep fake videos So this is like a term that I just learned very recently, but it's a it's a real thing And I guess I was thinking about it like if it's not really okay Let's say, you know, it was in a bracy video type of thing like well, that's not really me Then do I consent to this thing that isn't real? But if it seems like it's me then yeah, that's I Because it's all about who what the end-user thinks In other words the non-consensual says if the person in the video hasn't consented to this being up It doesn't go up and I guess what porn hub is ruling is Whether that's the head or the body has to be everyone in the video Even if you've faked it by you by putting someone else's head on there That's they do you still need consent from that the person who owns the head We were also talking in the pre-show about what the term deep fake is. It's like it's not just kind of fake It's really good. Oh, it's super fake good fake at the deep fake and honestly these things aren't that good yet They they as we talked about with Nicole Lee last week. They they they are easy to spot for now But I think it is interesting that that these places are Banning them just off the top where you know images where you've been able to do this for a long time Have have been easy to find on the internet. Well, you know in the case of a Network that is adult right adult content think of all the lawsuits that you could just avoid by saying I forget this You know, we don't need these anyway. Just keep you getting mad for that one other reason Researchers from the University of Texas at Austin published a paper in jewel comparing data from the American Time Use Survey in 2003 and 2012 to average residential commercial and transportation energy use figures from both those years So what they found was that US citizens spent 7.8 more days at home in 2012 then in 2003 with 6.7 fewer days in non-residential buildings Businesses retail shops, but also workplaces and 1.2 fewer days traveling Nice people stayed at home a little more not because they weren't vacationing But because they weren't driving to work while this caused energy use to rise at home as people use computers more energy efficiency and home appliances helped to combat that and Energy use overall fell in large part due to the reduced driving time because one of the most energy-intensive things You can do is drive a car of the age segments The 65 and over group was the only one that spent less time at home between 2003 and 2012 And they suspect it might be because people are retiring later Interesting so we stay at home. We use less energy and that's you know, that's good for our energy reserves It's good for the planet Probably depends on the house though I mean Arizona in the summer if you're staying at home in your 5,000 square foot McMansion you're probably blowing through a lot more energy than somebody in say San Francisco in the spring Yeah on a person-by-person basis But what the study argued was that home you yes your home you energy use is definitely going up no matter where you live If you stay at home more but energy efficiency Keeps it from going up too much people are getting more energy efficient home heating and air conditioning systems more energy efficient appliances more energy efficient laptops and Driving is way more energy intensive than any of those things because you're basically running a power plant in your car rather than Siphoning off a little power from well the vast majority the energy in your car goes at the tailpipe or the yeah, right? I mean so many factors here, right? It's like well malls are closing because people shop online more and that would be something that you would go to Probably don't live right next to the mall some people do That's energy intensive as well. And then also, I don't know a lot of The metropolitan areas kind of revitalizing the city life You know people move into places that are more in the middle of things where they can drive less and walk more Yeah, yeah kind of just kind of be in the middle of stuff. I know that's not every city But but I can think of a few The 65 an over age group spending less time at home. It's like Why cuz they're like retiring and out and about no because they aren't retired not retiring they're working later It's also interesting in 2003 the people who are over 65 retired by the time 2012 rolled around people 65 were staying in the workplace That's essentially what that might mean. Got it. I was like all golfing. It's fun There's a whole article on 538 where they're basically saying it's actually Lower density suburbs have the highest amount of growth at this point not Like, you know, but like there is urban revival But it's not actually where the majority of Americans are going at this point and people are working from home So even if they're living in those suburbs, they may be spending less time going to work because of that The other thing to keep in mind is they compared it to residential commercial and transportation energy use They did not compare it to industrial use So it may be that a lot of this energy use gets shifted out one scenario that they talk about in the study as a possible future area of exploration is Do the data centers that people are accessing with all this technology they're using at home eat up all of that Savings because data centers are very power intensive Snapchat steely active users rose to 187 million last quarter, which is up 18% on the year treating Beating expectations of 184.2 million revenue rose 72 percent to 285.7 million Which beat analyst expectations of 253.2 million the company lost 28 cents a share more than the 20 cents a share the year Earlier in other snapchat news The company is launching a tool to let TV networks send snippets of live broadcasts directly into the app And they're gonna start with NBC's olympics coverage, which starts this saturday NBC will broadcast two to six minute live segments of key moments from the games So if you follow only headlines also has a rather large stake in snapchat Uh, oh, that's true. That's a good point Um, if you follow the headlines the key here is that the headlines have gone from snapchat is dying to snapchat is back because They went from slowing user growth to increasing user growth They've been having user growth the whole time It was not a very good narrative because instagram was eating their lunch and slowing them down But this is very good news if you're a snapchat fan or a snapchat stockholder or a snapchat employee because Uh, it turns the story around it says hey, there there's room for more than one It's not like instagram just you know gave us a knockout punch and we're out of the game Yeah, I you know, I have to say these numbers were surprising to me because the narrative has been snapchat You know that instagram stories is so successful and I certainly see fewer of my friends posting regularly I'm on snapchat. Not that I have that many but I mean it used to be more Um, so I don't find that I'm you know Gaining, you know a scene any gains in activity, but Rising 18 percent daily active users. That's pretty big. It is it is I mean it it certainly is is not what I expected And the olympic coverage, you know the kids they love the olympics and the thingy with the boards on the feet Going to be huge huge make it happen One of the things that their earnings call is they they were like we're not just for kids We promise we really think you know, we've we've made things so that you olds will use it too They didn't those were not their words, but no no no They said so they they want to make it some of people over 30 don't seem like creepers on snapchat anymore I think that's what they said in the earnings call, you know the thing about snapchat and video is I think it's a great idea to be able to partner up with a network and and have snippets that someone could Could watch within the app The problem is is that the snapchat experience is so snapchatty, you know so with like snippets of You know somebody I don't know do it something at the winter olympics is like I just want to watch the whole thing, you know, I don't want to watch the snapchat version of it right I guess if there was like a really dramatic Ski run or hockey play or something and you're like you you could turn to snapchat and be like, oh I just want to see that moment. I want to see that two minutes. That's true I mean that would be something that I might go to nbc's If there's a you know a video there so same idea I'm just laughing is like what could be more frustrating than nbc universals online coverage of the olympics Which eliminates most of the stuff you want the olympics for For their attempt to create viral videos on youtube. Well, that would be the snapchat version of it Which isn't even smaller subset. I'm just a torque in a little bit because it was so frustrating to try to watch the olympics Last year the greatest moments in curling right there on Don't discurling wasn't dissing wasn't Don't want jen cutter coming after me trust me Mozilla announced the things gateway a part of its project things effort that lets anyone create an open gateway to control internet of things devices From a voice controlled raspberry pi although theoretically could be used with other things That's kind of their their showpiece device and they have lots of instructions on how to set this up on a raspberry pi The idea of this whole project is to keep you from getting locked into one company's ecosystem and their surveillance of you Though they're not locking those devices out developers can create bridges to devices like the amazon echo like the google home And let them work with any device so it could in fact Liberate you if you're like this device i bought doesn't work with my google or my amazon device This could be a way around that mozilla wants an open standard. They're working with the w3c on that the web of things Includes a spec relying on jason and a rest and web sockets api Mozilla also has a progressive web app that can be added to a smartphone home So you can control all the iot devices in your network And this comes the same day that alphabet announced it's merging its nest business Back into google where it will become part of the google hardware team And quote combine hardware software and services So google seems to be bringing nest Further into the google ecosystem While mozilla is trying to create a more open platform where we as consumers can choose whatever devices we want We don't have to think about it I'm curious. I mean i mean nest seems kind of messy right now Supposed to where there's so much competition in the market where they were Everybody thought they were the only thermometer that did what they did, but they're actually a couple smaller companies You know honeywell, yeah, and not even small companies like honeywells Yeah echo b is another good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean echo b's, you know, they're they're amazing Their thermostats are amazing. They're smart thermostats But it seems like like google bought nest and then the culture is completely crashed and there was disintegration Then attempt to pull it back out now google wants the information back in it just you know, i'm looking at this and and like the the mozilla announcement it's like You know firefox quantum has completely changed my feels about mozilla because it's such a spectacular upgrade for the browser and i'm curious, you know I want mozilla's internet of things gateway. They're they're the things gateway to run as well as quantum and not be like Okay, we're going to build an open source phone operating system from scratch that only the most hardcore open source people will use because it's so complicated to make a fast phone operating system like it's It's big and it's messy and i don't think it's going to get any easier anything And this is definitely one of those very complex systems when you're talking about internet of things that Will absolutely work if everybody plays with it and what mozilla's trying to do is say Well, you don't have to play with it. We'll we'll let the apis do the work So even if amazon doesn't play with it we can still work with amazon and we can even have ift like stuff But if not enough people adopt it It doesn't get user friendly enough for the masses to adopt it right right now. It takes a little bit of tweaking and fiddling It's not bad But it's not something that you're just going to hand over to most people and say here implement this yet It could get there, but it needs some critical mass Yeah, I just I don't know I It's funny like watching the whole amazon versus google back and forth over youtube video on amazon fire products and I just see a lot of Unpleasant games going back and forth between these companies that are desperate to get as much of the voice control market as they can And I just I feel like, you know, we're going to lose more often than not in those situations Um, especially like, you know, look at the homepods is a spectacular piece of engineering that works with apple music And series kind of fallen behind in voice control compared to the others I'm I'm I'm curious to see where they all end up at this point. Yeah Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each date about five minutes check out daily tech headlines You can get it on the amazon echo the google home and the anchor app But also as an open podcast with the rss and everything at daily tech headlines dot com Some called high res audio was among the many buzzwords at ces this year But while audio files have been bemoaning the decline of music fidelity since the advent of the mp3 High quality audio has really remained a niche market. It's there in lots of forms, especially downloadable But getting it into the streaming market is now the big thing and and folks are trying all kinds of different approaches to that Is the advent of high res audio going to change any of this? And what the heck is high res audio anyway? So we brought in patrick norton to answer. What the heck is high res audio patrick How's it different from hospitality or high hd audio? Well, okay, so what makes high res audio official? Is that back in 2014 ces big announcement digital entertainment group the cea The recording academy sony music universal music water music group. They all came up with the idea of of High res audio master quality recordings. They actually have this is the one line quote lossless audio that is capable of reproducing the full range of sound from recordings that have been mastered from better than cd quality music sources So this is like the quadrophonic of digital. Well, no, it's not that bad because I know there's there's part of me that sees like For example, I have a A set of headphones here from a manufacturer I like very much and look kids There's a high res audio logo on the box if I can hold it part of my web camera And that's how most people are going to read into this. They're going to be like, oh, it's high res That's got to be better I don't want low res headphones. Um, who does right? So You know in the largest sense high res is like anything it contains more audio than a cd 16 bit 44.1 kilohertz That's technically according to the nyquist theorem all the bandwidth You need to hear all of the audio than a human here can actually hear at its peak of hearing Which depend on who you're arguing with is either around Eight years of age or around 19 or 20 years of age, right? So we can hear like 20 hertz to 20 000 hertz for a very short period of time by the time you're like 25 or 30 It's down to 15 and it rolls off. So really mp3 is perfect for me at my age Absolutely Except it's not right because I Is lossy compression and the more it's compressed or if there's a particularly bad tool during the compression You can actually let you know You can take a beautiful zillian symbol being played by a master and turn it into something It sounds like bacon on sunday morning. Nothing wrong with bacon on sunday morning. I would like to smell it eat it Not hear it. Yeah, I want to hear, you know, so The upside of high res audience is this idea that you're going to eat the closest thing to studio masters And then there's audio engineers that are like, yeah, you know Those those Beatles recordings or your zeppelin albums like all of that extra bandwidth There ain't nothing there in the analog tape because we didn't have the equipment to record it You know and there's a lot of what makes some high resolution tracks actually worth buying is because You know recording engineers went back and cleaned up a bunch of messes And mastered them a lot better. Even dr. Sean olive Who is I don't know if he's still the president of the audio engineering society But he directs acoustic research for harmony international. He is the most hardcore science oriented Beating bias conception and taking a lot of the voodoo and and I can't say that word on a family friendly news show You know, he's you know, he's he's like he's heard some wonderful stuff in 2496 But it doesn't really have anything to do with the bandwidth the high resiness It has to do with the fact that they did a really good job mastering and engineering the album Um, you know, the other thing is some of those early hd tracks were actually made from cd audio files. Um You know, so so what i'm hearing you say is that mqr the master quality recordings are real That's a real thing. It does give you something more High res audio is real high res audio Headphone will give you access to the bandwidth that you can't get but what i'm not sure is is all of that worth it Yeah, doesn't really make a difference For most people is this more than a niche market It's you know, it's gonna be you know at this point it's become one of those things like, you know It's a 4k television which is better because there's more pixels, right? There are going to be box basically when you're looking to set a headphone You see the high res audio tag on the box it means two things It can play audio at up to 40 000 hertz which is way higher than you can hear Number one and number two it means they paid the co-marketing dollars. They paid to use that logo And there are you know, I can probably walk into a you know a local, you know You know, I want to say like targe or or whatever there are there are Headphones out there that totally beat the high res specs that will never have the high res label because they don't want to pay for the high res label Most of the best headphones in the world right now do not have a high res audio label because they don't need it And that's it's a very much a marketing thing like the the headphone certification spec I don't think it really existed until 2016 Uh, and it's so you can try to hear a bunch of audio that you can't actually hear And there's a look at the specs not the not the logo Well, yeah, the problems with audio is audio specs kind of suck because you know a classic, you know A classic audio spec is like it covers 15 hertz to 20 000 hertz And that's the full range of human spirits except that they don't give you like the actual db rating because a lot of cases It's like 20 hertz at negative 15 db, which means go to avxcel.com and find out what they recommend That means that's the thing is is I think you know any company who makes an audio product, you know Or an audio spec is familiar with the fact that most people are like, I don't know audio settings high res That sounds good. I want to buy that. Yeah, and that's what's that's what's frustrating Because like I have I have friends who buy high resolution audio tracks Not because they can hear a difference because even when you get like people who have like really trained years with music They're familiar with they're like, yeah, oh look There's a little bit of this on the violins or subtlety a little bit of that Yeah, it's subtle and a lot of cases, you know There's a lot of people who like they buy something like, you know I was I walked into this room with robert heron at ces last year and we we saw these speakers They were amazing They were like six and a half feet high and they had the kind of cabinetry Usually think of with like louis the 14th inlay they were just these magnificent pieces of furniture They sounded like crap and i'm like, oh, there's like hundred thousand dollar speakers And they sound like crap and like two days later. I realized they were four hundred thousand dollar speakers and that they still sounded like um That's funny, honey the increased price tag did not improve their audio. So to to to sum up Should should people spend their money on this and and if so, who you know If if you're an audio enthusiast and you're looking for the absolute, you know end all and be all Check out the high res version of your favorite album and and sort of a b test it because the thing is is you need a decent audio player Or a decent like audio card or a DAC inside your system You need a decent set of headphones or a decent speaker And you need to be listening in a quiet environment like you're not going to be like I can really hear the subtleties on this violins solo when you're sitting in an office with 75 people talking around you You know, it's like in most cases listening someplace quiet will do more for your listening experience Then spending a whole much money on on extra hardware because it has a little badge on it Um, you said you asked a couple minutes ago if it was just a niche mark and it's like, yeah Audio people, you know, it's like if you care about something being a higher quality than what was possible in the past It's like that's cool. That shouldn't be a thing that you can you know buy if you want to but Well, it's I mean it's funny when you talk to like audio manufacturers and they're they're back and forth because a lot of We're like, how do we get 30 year olds to buy this stuff? They're not the millennials. Where are the millennials? It's like well the millennials are they're buying a lot of vinyl they're buying a lot of vintage stuff They're you know, they're they're buying expensive stuff later So there's there's all these younger people that are finally getting the better quality headphones When and eventually they get enough space where they can be like, yeah, I can have stereo speakers without being You know, my mom either yelling at me because I'm standing with my mom Which is not a slag if I live with my mom a few years younger I probably would have owned a house a decade earlier But you know or or because they're finally getting enough space to set this up, you know, it's it's it's You know, there's you know, if you if you're really curious Find some tracks you're familiar with and listen to them or pay for the you know Pay for the lossless version of of title and see what you think. I mean in most cases In most cases, it's really subtle I think And I'm going to get email from some people I know who are like you're an idiot You don't understand your ears are broken. We carry out the conversation at avxcel.com I'll stop now No, no, don't audio can think of themselves as kind of superior. That's cool to you Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show, uh, we we're moving along because we have a good answer from patrick Well, we have an answer from patrick to a good question Uh, let's check the mail bag, sir Okay, joey image. This is actually a tweet said hey, here's a wacky random question for you You have any hookups I could maybe use for an inexpensive pc parts I'm trying to grab a 1080 ti for my new build figured I'd ask around Yeah, gpu prices are crazy. We talked to ryan shroud about this uh last week Any suggestions for mere mortals patrick? Oh my goodness. Uh, so like a 1080 ti I think as an msrp of 700 dollars It's never actually sold for 700 dollars and right now if you try to buy one I want to say it's going to show up at like 1100 dollars give or take um And that's the problem is like all these, you know, basically it's like ethereum mining and other stuff And then people who are like bitcoins 20 000 dollars I'm going to buy a gpu despite the fact that that wouldn't be useful for you know Mining bitcoin two years ago much less now um You know in some cases local like microcenter has been doing some stuff where they've been holding stuff locally in stores for the regular customers Now in stock.net if you've never seen it is an amazing resource if you're like trying to track down, you know And that's then he has classic edition or a gpu or something like that You can set up alerts and as soon as something comes up for sale at within your sort of price range It'll vomit out. Look, there's a thing you can buy Um, and then within the next 30 seconds or a minute if it's a gpu Hopefully you've hit the purchase button because it's going to be gone that fast. I mean You know the best I've seen I think a 1080 ti. Yeah, I see the the long line of out of stock there There's one that's in stock. It's probably 1200 dollars at bnh photo so, you know, it's uh, it's messy and it's There's been cases it does seem to be going down a little bit as the the the coin mining market starts to cool off But there is no way to find a cheap card right now unless you get really really lucky local stores now in stock.net You know constantly refreshing on new egg in amazon, but Man people are desperate for these cards and the supply is not going to catch up for a while I don't think amd's had new cards for like six months. It's got to be some silk road for Oh, if you've got giant piles of money You know, it's easy to get you have to mine the coins that you need the graphics cards for to pay for the graphics cards That's the whole conundrum Sarah Yeah, it's it's been really frustrating like I felt like I overpaid for the 1070 that's in my desktop because I paid like $430 for it in June and then like six weeks later. They were selling for 700 800 bucks. So And they still haven't come down. So it's it's it's a big problem And it's not getting easier for anybody if they want to build a new system and it's not just gamers it's like if you're you know, if you're a photoshop, you know, a user or a Premier user and you you want GPU acceleration. You're looking at, you know I think I figured out my $1,200 system would cost me like $2,200 to build today and almost all of that Like, you know, 50 bucks of it was memory and the other 700 800 bucks would be for the additional price for the GPU 600 bucks. I think it was like an extra 700 between the cost of memory going up and the cost of gpu is exploding in the last year It's tough out there to be a pc builder Well, you know, it isn't tough patrick Hanging out with you on dtns Let folks know what you are up to and where they can find all your work Uh, you can join me and shannon morris over at tkthing.com. It's a weekly show. We do about technology We answer viewer questions. We review products and occasionally occasionally we dance I do not think there was any dancing on this week's episode. Oh, man Next week i'll dance There was a picture of the clown, but that's a contest. I don't think i've ever seen you dance. I'm intrigued. I know you have to watch people And you have to keep supporting us. 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Okay by twitch people You guys rock Yeah, both of you Hey gotta build somewhere. Yep. Okay twitch slow and steady Good call. All right. What should we call this show also? Also, I I uh I did interrupt you once you started talking tom and that actually I did hear myself doing that. So sorry But it still wasn't an audio problem Um You ain't seen nothing yeti Get it. Ha Pornhub stays authentic That's not gonna stop being funny No, don't believe the high res hype Won't patrick won't quiet down about sound. Yeah High res audio may produce low x specs low x spec patience wow Ha ha Oh my goodness mozilla open sources, uh internet of things um see Home is where the heart way I don't heart is I don't know. I I really like you ain't uh, you ain't see nothing yeti and porn hub stays authentic Pornhub stays authentic. I like the porn hub one, but I you know I'm not sure what our feelings are about. Hmm. And also how the hot reds audio may produce slow expectation Oh, one of those is gonna get more search traffic than the other and I think I know which One of them gonna get us demonetized even faster than we usually are All fine. We'll ditch the audio We'll ditch the audio get it like we'll ditch audio in the title It's a joke because I know what you're referring to Let's say I don't get why ditching audio in the title is the Because one of my picks was high res audio hours Now I get it. I didn't know that's what you meant when you said audio the humor was humoring Who doesn't like porn hub says strike it rich Who doesn't like any kind of hub where this nest news is not new Did I dream it? What I feel like I've already thought about the fact that oh, yeah, the nest there was there was a sources Say article a couple months back. I think in december that they were going to do this Okay, and it's that classic thing where works where people ran with the story as if it was definitely confirmed even though it wasn't official and then the actual official thing happens a few months later and people say didn't that already happen because Outlets were like blah blah blah blah about it back then now it's real. Well that explains it. Yep. I'm pretty sure that's it That explains it It's one of my pet peeves I like pets a good peeve Keep that one. I rescued that peeve. It's a rescue peeve Uh, we didn't mention it on the show, but reddit has also banned the subreddit deepfakes. Ah That's not shocking Yeah, you know that's where you Deepfake wheelhouse. That's where you uh, uh, basically inserts. Um Chuck Norris into like any war war two. Um, what? No I just you have to do that one really fast or it doesn't work roger. It would be a lumbar entertaining Are you okay besides like Blackmailing somebody. I don't understand The draw of putting a face onto another body and it being realistic It's a fantasy. It's a fantasy for guys who wanted to do that. Well, I mean, I'm trying to not get too Deep graphic people like things, but it's just it's it just seems like a very specific thing to Be interested in I don't remember the uh, remember all the the personal Photos that got stolen off of yeah Yeah, this is kind of you know, there's probably a really big crossover in the venn diagram on these. Yeah Sure, but it's like if you know, what's a deep fake like Yeah, somebody's like I really want to see kevin bacon Do this and then this makes that dream real nothing wrong with bacon So this is the thing though This has been a thing for quite some time except it hasn't been video It's been just what's it called pictures of manipulations where they put someone else's head on someone else's body Yeah, you know, I mean it's been a thing for like the past 20 years roger's been very deeply involved in tracking it additional purposes I guess I would just like somebody to explain The thrill well, it's it okay, but you're you're saying But you know, it's fake and it's like well. Yeah, that's like watching a movie like you also know the movie's fake I mean manolo blonics. Do they do a thing for you? What? I'm asking sarah. I know that those are Those words did not mean anything to me. Oh manolo like the shoe. Oh, I halfway get it now. Okay Tom's like what is this some high res audio thing? No expensive shoes. I do not manolo's are outside my budget, but um, yeah, you know I'm not a real strappy You don't you don't go to manolo hub and look up the manolo videos I've learned about this. All right. Yeah, that'll be the new thing is like Deep faking cool clothes See that's the thing about people deep faking is not a bad thing on its own If it's not if it's used for an innocuous purpose, right? The idea of like digital Cage in every movie. I want a video of me wearing manolo's would be hilarious. I'm sure But people might be like no people might want like hey I want to take a video of myself and put myself in really like fancy clothes See what I'd look like firework kim Kardashian. Right. Yeah Yeah I mean that's a dream I have It takes all kinds it takes it's different strokes moves world. Yeah, Friday's the spice of life Sometimes it's really disturbing. Don't blackmail people What's that cinnamon the internet has what has taken what used to be super private into Oh, I accidentally stumbled over this because I was trying to Block all these videos my kids my kid has actually been watching Okay, I wasn't thinking of it in the dirty sense But I was thinking the other day about the fact that uh, I was because somebody mentioned memento I was I think it was the we have concerns podcast mentioned it and I remember when memento was new Thinking I wish I had the time to sit here and re-edit it Into chronological order and see how it played, right? And I'm sure somebody has and then fast forward 2010 My thought about memento was I need to go search and find out who has re-edited memento into chronological order And now today my my feeling is like boy. I bet hundreds of people have already done that like it's There's no more like oh, I wish it's it's gone from I wish to I bet to I'm sure Yeah, it's interesting because someone did that with um, David Lynch's dune, right? They took all the additional footage that's on the extras portion of the deed and they inserted it into the movie where they would should be Chronologically it turns it into like a two and a half hour movie, but it's very interesting watchable now. I mean having seen dune several times I still find it Everybody has done everything on the internet before I have is like sometimes that works out. Well, for example I was having uh audio issues this morning. So I'm like, let's look at forums also by the way Beatmaster says the dvd of memento has the chronological version as an easter egg Of course it does making it a moot example I did it for you anyway. Well, you needed the internet To you know, cool you into that easter egg in that movie. I I I remember the the timeline being uh, very uh Creative difficult. Yeah, I don't it's painful Trauma, but yeah, but it's also like, you know, sometimes I'm like I have a really good joke and then like I search for it on twitter and like 200 people already made it I'm like me never mind. Yeah It's like it's not really a question of like has the joke been made. It's like, how many times has the joke been made? Am I too late to the game here? Well, is it that like that's a thing with comedians, right? Did you steal the joke or did you just coincidentally come up with the same Punchline to a similar theme right today. It's always both Yeah Like it you you really have to work hard to come up with something original with the internet out there And so you must travel back in time where you can take a joke that was like super popular now and I find myself When I talk to people who aren't Using the internet as much as we are Stopping myself from criticizing them for having unoriginal thoughts. They'll be like, you know, I wonder if and I'm like The whole subreddit about that. Come on You're not the first person to think of that Maybe you just need something in your phone that just does a an automatic For you and you know that I could be sitting there and just hit that It would just be an apple automatically here. Oh, roger. There's a whole subreddit for that Right. Yeah, it's like every like super violent movie has been re-edited to be like what if it was a rom-com? Yeah, all of them You know, like it's it's like what could you do creatively that somebody has to do something where they take a rom-com? And then make it actually good Hey There are good rom-coms Settle down over there. He's roger Ah valentine's day is coming up buddy. I'm so orgery No, that's that's you conscious He's saying you're you have resting ornery Yeah, you're by nature. They do ornery by nature. That's roger's rap group And I'm gonna have dotty by nature songs in my head for the rest of the day. Oh, no Hey, there's some good songs in there Oh, no, I'm not questioning if they're good. It's just it's not, you know me sitting here like hey Oh, it's just not how I get worked on it just all right If you want to remain perfectly spoiler free of the magicians don't listen to my next thing But on the magicians television show there was a punishment given to someone Of sticking a song that they kind of didn't like in their head permanently forever to torture them Uh the ultimate earworm. Yeah There was a um a song that I don't know I'd have to Remind myself what it was But it's like I kind of just had it in my head the other day and like I knew the lyrics So I'm like, oh this must be in a commercial or you know, I've heard it I don't you know, how would I know the song other ways because I looked it up on the internet And I'm like, yeah, those are the lyrics that I know. It's the same song I cannot find any mention of it ever being used for an ad Or I asked some friends. I'm like, is it like an interstitial thing like on espn Or you know something that I'm watching and everyone's like I have no idea what the song is Oh, is it that song done on it done on it? Not that one. No, it's not Is it a polycold song? Niko actually, you know Niko Niko Yarian I did so many different google search just trying to find it Called you belong to me So if anyone wants to look that up listen to it and tell me where I heard it Because it's like, how do I know the lyrics to a song that no one's ever heard of? I have clearly heard it somewhere. It's driving me crazy It's from who? Niko what? Niko Yarian Y-A-R-Y-A-N And the song is called you belong to me You belong And it's a very nice song Oh look at tunefine.com there's a complete list of Niko Yarian music for internet tv shows and movies The album it's from is called what a tease Right Stitcher not So i'm gonna stop the broadcast any final words to our youtube The watchers, you're all wonderful. You are the greatest Thank you for being patrons