 So, this is the OPM selection committee, a subcommittee for the Amherst School Building Committee. And today we're going to review the interviews and the references and come to our decision. And I'm just going to do a little housekeeping while I, I want to be able to get the text on my own screen here for the, the Anthony that you and Kathy compiled for us on a screen I can read and look at folks in the face, so it might just take me a second. Okay. I think I'm all set. And Jonathan, just, I mentioned this before you got on, but I have a hard stop at 12 just in terms of time proportioning. I do as well. I guess I would, I would ask that maybe the first thing we should do is, is ask Kathy and and Anthony to kind of more formally report on the, the, the references or, or is it okay that we have them just as written. I'm just trying to think of what folks would see if they tune into this. I think a quick summary of our findings is probably in order. I contacted three references for each firm, I only got responses back from one of each. Foxboro is for Colliers is in a bit of a different situation they have a standing building committee for decades now apparently, which handled most of the community outreach and was kind of a leading force and didn't ask as much of Colliers as other communities probably do of their OPMs. They were noted as being timely. They liked their onsite OPM, but then they had kind of a weird thing when COVID hit and they had a disagreement about how much onsite presence was necessary town wanted more collars wanted less. They were able to come to terms on that. On the other hand, when COVID hit, they had new questions about HVAC and collars and the reference specifically noted because of their size and resources was able to do an excellent review of the HVAC systems and address that very well. For Doran Whittier, I only got to talk to Newton, who was a fusive. They were. They were great at managing the project, which was expensive and contentious. They were transparent ran groups well. This was an older project so web was not as much of a thing. But she did note that they did some experiments, well, not experiments, but like studies with science students on some of the building systems and how those things worked and the building is well currently well liked. And then collars was not collars. I did reach out to Sharon Sherry at the Johns Library about her their experience with collars, which was a fusive that they worked very hard have gone above and beyond and she loves them. So, that's it. I'll launch in. I'm reading what I wrote so I can summarize it quickly. The answer. I got one more reference just like 10 minutes before we spoke for North. For. Okay, yes, or it's he's in the he's in the Canton School, Norton High School. So he's the references now works for the Canton High Schools, which made it confusing but he would hire Margaret Wood in a heartbeat. And she was fabulous. The rest of the team that worked with them. This is a project that closed in 2014 and had pink on it first. The rest of the team is not the same team. But she said they were really important in the background on community outreach that most of the presentations were the architect, not the OPM, but they help with a tricky post building project where the top of the high school made a lot of noise. And then was rough and arms as we're students and they fixed it for them. They came back and came up with a solution. And so he also was he loved them. I called one charter school, which doesn't have to go through MSBA because it was a larger school. They loved the team and they're now using them for another project. And this was a double project where first they did 400 than another 300 and brought it in on time. And in this one they had to compensate for some mistakes the architect made on the architect one of them actually got in trouble for it and they had to resolve it. The OPM stepped in and really helped market team did Clark Avenue Chelsea was day to day originally was a different team. Again pink got absorbed by answer but they worked with Margaret on time on budget. It was really a challenge it was phase construction, and they managed it well with very few change orders. And Pine Grove and they they answer feature this one was a few said Margaret Wood was phenomenal. She, she is a simpler project than Amherst is what he pointed out, but they did had to do two districts in one year and sell it to the community where it was being built in one and not the other and they brought it home. It was a phase construction and East Long Meadow was just an accelerated repair so that's one of the things on the answer references some of them were smaller projects on CHA. As you see I just kept calling so they get very high, high ratings Tisbury which is, and a couple of these were net zero projects. This one, the rave review was Christmas for Christina opera. She was amazing throughout the project she had MSBI contacts on speed dial and was instrumental in the public projects and they also gave a rave review to the cost estimating team they had complicated costs and they came in right on target and they helped the whole team help in Tisbury community to focus on needs versus wants to bring people together with some key compromises to get support and Tisbury had originally failed on didn't override the boat they're coming back to a vote and they think they have it this time. And that will be in June. They love their design team. Lincoln was another all electric building. The design team did most of the focus on community outreach, not the OPM very strong cost estimators skills this is was unusual they can put all of them mentioned this they help figure out clever ways how to construct and renovating in two phases. It was a complicated building project. And the last ones Belmont High School, they worked with Tom, Getskin, because the particular leader. Yeah, the team, you know, these are teams where all the whole teams were originally deadless in the case of CHA. And they brought they've used them on other projects, and they were totally pleased with the team. It's Belmont is by far the biggest of the projects that of the ones that I was calling on it's $295 million. And in this one, the decision was to build the middle school, bring the middle school and high school together in one really big building for 2200 students, and they're building it in two phases. And it's, it was, has been crazy on a really tight schedule during COVID but that looks like they're on time, and the team members have always been there for them throughout COVID distance has not been a concern. So, very strong reviews for the HA. That's it. That makes it hard. Well, I had intended to say at the top of this that, you know, I think we have four strong candidates. I really do. And, you know, I found myself going back and forth as, as we're listening to the various interviews, you know, which, which one I thought was was going to be the best fit for the town and, and, and it's still a question mark in my head and that's why we're going to have a discussion today and, and try to get to that. Do you remind us the, the process that we said we were going to follow. I remember saying about 15 points and I know that that, you know, there's, there's the first set of reviews we did, and that this influences the overall ranking of folks, but I want to make sure that we, we, we follow the process that we laid out. The owner will establish its final ranking of the shortlisted respondents after conducting interviews interviews will be scored based on responsiveness to interview questions team availability and quality of presentation 15 points. The owner will conduct at least three reference checks for each shortlisted firm references will not be scored but will influence shortlist ranking. The owner reserves the right to consider any other relevant criteria that it may be appropriate within its sole discretion and other such relevant criteria as MSBA may request owner may or may not within its sole discretion seek additional information from respondents. And that is it. Okay. So what I would like to propose is that we take about 15 minutes or five minutes for each of us to kind of give our impression of the different candidates. And then have some discussion and then vote and hopefully getting that all done before enough before noon that we can we can kind of conclude this does that does that seem like a reasonable process to folks. It does. Okay. And I don't want to, to feel like I'm overly leading the conversation so I would love a volunteer that would like to go first. Anthony, I can go first. I am having a very hard time picking a top one and I think there's a very four very strong candidates and in trying to differentiate them sometime I feel like I feel like I'm nitpicking but they're close enough that I think it is going to come down to small things. I think, I think as far as grading the interviews. I think answer and door and wittier both had equally great interviews to me, I would give them probably full points. And since I scored door and wittier higher as a proposal I guess door and wittier comes out as my preferred candidate, but I'm still like answer a lot. I would probably give call yours. Yeah, maybe 10 of 15 interview points I like that they addressed my concerns about MBE WBE that I raised in their proposal review. They have a they have an excellent track record I'd probably put them third for me. They probably have to rank CHA fourth they had a real rough start to that presentation. And while it feels in some ways petty to hold PowerPoint issues against someone. Again they're all so close that I feel like a year into a pandemic I would like to see a little more fluency with with online meetings. So I would dock them a couple points for that and probably column eight out of 15. I guess I guess that's where I stand door answer call your CHA, but not really opposed to any of the four. I have another volunteer, Steve, I can go. So I completely agree with all the comments that we have for a very qualified. And so it does come down to picking this. I started off with the answer as my top rated one and just like what Anthony is describing. You know I thought, as the day went along. I went up and down. But I think just if we pick nits, I still remain with answer at the top which for reasons I'll explain in a second. My second is call yours for reasons I'll explain in a second, and then followed by CHA and and by Doren Whittier. So the reasons that I really like the answer is that I think I mentioned this at the last meeting is that I really like the fact that it's led by Margaret Wood and it's really great to hear, you know the fusing or whatever it is. But I think that sends a strong message to the community about diversity and about sort of mixing up the paradigm on on, you know, who's, who's doing what. But they're also really strong other people on that team like Mary Bolso apparently is an opium in her own right, so she can, she's been the lead on her own projects under her own name. I didn't realize this until the interview but Bob Stevens is a very known entity also. So he used to be the head of a firm in Springfield that did tools mainly. And I hadn't realized that that that that he had made this move from the, you know, it's a pretty common name, but he also has very high credibility. So Kelly also is a really known entity in terms of passive house and in terms of sort of energy efficiency. So, and I'm sure I'm forgetting somebody there but that team all seem to be incredibly strong. And I like the fact that we're not, you know that there's diversity. You know, in terms of, you know, in that the Collier's team, I have maybe as even a close second because I do think they have really high credibility from the library project. So I only knew that through hearsay it's good to hear Anthony's description after talking to library staff. They seem more firm like even though I know that there are a bunch of players that are in different locations but they seem like more corporate for whatever the something about the answer team also there's an kind of an informality, which to me seemed kind of Western Massey, you know it's really hard to explain what I'm talking about. And then the CHA team in particular came across as very. I hate to say this but very sort of Eastern Massachusetts you know in other words as I don't know how that will play. And then the Jordan witty or team I thought was, you know, really impressive. My concern about the lack of architects on that leadership team remain. So I ended up with the answer and colliers at the, at the time. Answer at the top colliers. Yep. Go ahead Kathy. So second. I also have answer as a top. And now that Steve has told me more about Mary balsa. I also have a question about Bob Stevens that I saw as he's an architect and he's, he's our day to day person and people. When I was doing the interviews it became clear that some of the community facing a lot of the community facing is at the point we're almost choosing where we're going to put the building and what the design of the build, you know that that's where you're going to put the building. So I had them highlighted and the other, the other thing I thought was notable about their presentation. They're the only ones I'd give a full 15 for on that is they paid attention to Amherst. They really looked at the things we were looking for. And when they talked about challenges, they said well I think also do you want to hear we think your challenges are going to be they started out. We've got two sites you're going to have to pick one of them, and you've got a regional school that you're going to have to work with. So they really. I take that as a listening skill is whether well as a reading skill. You know if you're listening to what the owner is looking for when you're reading what they wrote, then you're probably going to listen when you're in the room. So I was really pleased they got high ratings from the, from my, the interviews, and I had been a little bit worried that they're not a huge team, and that they're Boston based. But then we got that very quick answer. Oh no but I have a child who's going to school here and we have a house. So it seemed travel is not an issue with them and answer itself has deep. You can go beyond the team we've gotten so that's why I really like them. I liked CSA. I think I'm, I'm out of order here where I like CHA second. And it was particularly, it's, it's kind of unfair but the two women on the team. I thought we're really good. And then in the references. And I found that one of them, opera has been an OPM on projects so she's not being offered to us that way but that how well she worked with the community and the cost estimator came in so close. Then I'm maybe people can help me. But I think I ended up with during during Whittier. There's, are they the ones that answered all of our questions without allowing us to ask the questions is that. That was CHA. Okay, I didn't like that, you know, so I or did I, you know, so that was a negative for me. And it was, I think I was just influenced also by the positive ratings. I, when people say what's a nitpicky style. I don't like people to tell me in writing or in a presentation or in words that they're perfect they're excellent and they're the best you could ever get because it's a salesmanship and and you really want again I'm, I get very worried that what does that feel like when you're in a group of parents or a group of teachers where they say you don't want to come across that way so the, the style throughout the presentation had me think less of them, even though they clearly can do the project. And then collars. So I, I ranked collars third in during Whittier fourth because of that collars I was surprised at I didn't think I would like the presentation as much. But first, you know, I thought it was odd they didn't talk enough about, they didn't talk enough about Amherst, which is why I wouldn't have ranked them higher. And I know for a fact that they have listened in on virtually every meeting we've had. You know, so, you know, so they didn't, unlike answer which really paid attention to two sites, sixth grade moving up consolidation potentially, they didn't do that. And so I'm worried. And then the one other thing on collars. Well, I've watched what they've done on Jones, and I think in the meetings they've been great, but there is no community facing. It's extremely difficult to find anything about that project. If we're talking about website and community that has not been a reach out to the community. But to the extent anyone thought that was important, maybe they were told we don't need to do that so I can't has it, but they have not done it at all with that project so they did spend a lot of time but I had. I shouldn't. I just have some issues as we get to the cost estimating, and I'm hoping I'm wrong on cost estimating like I don't want a team that over promises I want them to be really tough. And I'm not sure, because again this is selling a project so answer came out as my top. Yeah, so I agree with everything that was said for great candidates. So I'll just give my overall and then I can go into some of the specifics and in light of what I heard as well. So I had originally my top three, just in our review of the proposals was colier, CHA and answer, but after the interviews and hearing the feedback and just going over some of the notes that I took. I have to say that just from my perspective and thinking about some of the interface and that's going to have to happen and some of the real on the ground work that's going to have to, you know, be done by this company and, and in particular this community. I was really impressed with answers approach with their with their style as well as you mentioned the diversity led with my think her name is Margaret if I'm not mistaken. Very, very. Yeah, like I just, I enjoyed that presentation and it seemed that they had a handle on as well this community what we needed. I was so surprised with, with collars because, you know, I thought that, you know, with the previous work in town and some of their past experience that that would come through in the interview. But, you know, it wasn't, wasn't as impressive that as as I saw on paper, which actually, CHA, they, you know, really impressed me with their with their interview, I took you know I noted that as well that they answered the questions before we can even answer the questions and I don't know if I took that as maybe they were trying to be ahead of the curve and like trying to, you know, just go at it and give you everything that you needed so I took that as a, you know, as an asteroid like whom, you know, maybe that was a sign of them just trying to, you know, give it to us, but they really impressed me with their community, familiar with the community. And they have with their working through coven and remaining available. I thought that was very, very, very important for them. I'm doing wittier, I was impressed with them as well they had a lot of the, their work in the schools. And this is an overall presentation and I think, you know, just for my, my observation and what we need and I think, just in, you know, the, the, I think all of them will be able to do the job, you know, but I think that it's going to take a particular company to, you know, do it successfully and, you know, give this community what we need so, you know, just on on that. I would, my top pick, I think is going to, going to, I'm going to go with answer, and then come in after them. It was tough but I will have to say CHA collars and door in wittier. Well, I may sound like a little bit of a broken record answer was definitely my top they were the only ones that, that actually noted our project goals which I found really interesting you know between all the, the, the proposals we reviewed and the four reviews they were the only one who, who seem to have read them, at least in acknowledging, and then therefore, they're by acknowledging them to us, which I thought was impressive I was impressed with the folks on the team I don't want to be too repetitive. I don't think I've gone over it. But I was also impressed with the fact that they, they, they took on the challenge of figuring out our challenges. And all their answers seem to, they did their best to try to tie them back to us and our, and our project that our towns issues. And some of the others did some of them didn't. To be absolutely honest, I feel like there was enough things that were a little bit off and the other three that I have a hard time actually coming up with a second I have them all kind of ranked as third. I didn't appreciate. I think CHA is a very qualified firm but I didn't like being kind of talked at. I can't imagine that going well in certain environments and yes, there will come a point where the, you know, the design team will do a lot of the presentation of a design, but your opm needs to be there and needs to be kind of the extension of the owner. And so they, they, I'm a little nervous about that. And again, I'm picking knits here colliers. They did eventually address all four questions. But I found it a little bit of a haphazard response they they they kind of in their main presentation, hit the, I think, three or four out of the five. And the actual question and answer period had to circle back and kind of complete that I found that, you know, we got the answers but I felt that as a presentation style that was a little choppy. And while I thought, Doron Whittier did a did an excellent job. And in some ways I laid my concerns about not having an architect kind of right in the, in the mix. I was still just a little bit concerned about the, about the fit with Amherst. You know that the, the fellow who did most of the speaking seems to be the boss and he definitely has that entrepreneurial quality and started up that division. But I wasn't, I didn't get a sense, because he did most of the speaking about the depth of experience of the other people which is probably there. But I wasn't getting that. So those are my takeaways. Follow up comment from Anthony. Sorry. So, I'm curious how we want to do this where we did, where we said in the RFS that we were going to score them on the interview. I feel like we should at least get some point values on the record. I don't think we need to come to a consensus, although it kind of sounds like we're pretty near one already, but yeah, I was wondering if maybe we could get that so I scored answer 15 CHA eight call yours 10 D and W 15. And I would score. Anthony, do you mind keeping the score. Oh no, I will. Yeah, I'm putting in the spreadsheet now. I'm going to give answer 15, and I'm going to give the other three, all 10. Assuming that's okay for me to do that. And I gave answer 14 CHA 12 colliers 11 and door with 11. I have answer 15 colliers 10 CHA eight during with your eight. And Anthony is answer 15 colliers eight CHA eight and D and W five. And Anthony, while the, the, the ultimate answer is self-evident, maybe you could just read the, the totals for the record. Yeah, so let me. Let's see cleanest way to do this. So, yeah, it's fairly, fairly clear that answer is our, our top at least as far as the interviews. I think everyone said they were their number one rank except I said they were a close to so kind of feels like we have consensus. Do we need to rank them so that we have a second ready to go in the worst case scenario, or are we just picking a finalist. I think, well, I would kind of defer to your, your, we didn't actually say did we. Yeah, we didn't. I think we should probably do that. I don't anticipate that there would be a complication with the contracting. But we don't want to leave ourselves in a place where should some very strange thing come up, you know, they get the, they get the, the not on a 200 million dollar Boston area school and they can't take us on kind of thing. And I don't want to have to restart our process in any way. So we should probably see who comes out second here. So colliers and door are tied, but there is more consensus around colliers as a number two. Can we just take a quick poll with anyone would be uncomfortable with colliers. If, if for some reason, the answer did not work out. I'm a little uncomfortable just on the community outreach side. And I want to know more about cost estimating. So just those two, two pieces. You know the CHA team I definitely was influenced by the, the interviews and Jonathan I believe you'd already said you'd work with delwin. Yeah, just, it's, you know, so a couple of times I said, I want to take that person and put this team doesn't work that way. I know we can't recreate a team only, only baseball teams can do that. Yeah, I know. Can we try to do a quick trade. Yeah. Oh God. And I know, Steve, you, you, you, you have probably equally concerning reservations about door and Whittier. Yeah, yeah. And my concerns aren't major because we will have an architect, but it just, it just seems. Yeah, no, I wouldn't put, you know, I could have downgraded door and Whittier or a little bit more on points than I did maybe I already gave them low points on the interview but no CH. I was comfortable with CHA for a couple reasons I agree on the presentation but just they've got this depth of engineers and architects and teams. If we. They were my, I think if they were my second, I'm just looking at, can I be internally consistent they were my second rated among the four teams going into this too. Yes. Yeah. If we, if we take their base score, their base average. Then we get that's funny then we get a CHA door Whittier tie. Well, no, no, it's very close, but door comes out as a by one point by one average point. Yeah. Well, I shouldn't be influenced like that but I did think the presentation style just so complete and lack of architect I would, I would have ranked them lower when I first did my first ranking. My boss is calling me hold on one second. You know Steve I didn't pay enough attention to that first time around door and Whittier who they don't have on their team. It's this committee has been great because we all have different lenses and we're all looking for slightly different things so I think it's a very strong team that way that we all have things we're looking for. Anthony was that I didn't have to pertain called in pertain to this. Nope Sean. Nope Sean just wanted to bug me. Anthony read us the language we do not have to be driven just by points we can be, we, you know the fact that, well we have three, three teams with the merits on didn't pay enough attention to Amherst. You know, style presentation style, where we weren't scoring it on points, but you know how well they would work with the community. So, you know, it's funny. I'm sure the any of the other threes could definitely do the job. Colliers kind of knows town. I don't know. That's of course why I had them all ranked the same, but right. And that's a strength and a weakness right knowing the town already because then you get the calluses and so sometimes it's better to not know the town but he has Tom Godzounis is a very highly credible guy he was the director of public safety. Which is the division in charge of the building code and he was the head of BBR asked for the building. So, that was one thing about that team that's really impressive. And then colliers they know the town I think can guy has a lot of credibility. Jordan would hear is nested in an architecture firm, which also gives it some credibility to me, not that they don't have credibility for other reasons. I think that any, I don't know, can we throw them down the stairs or, or I had, I just had just in my notes with CHA just really saying about the informant that the town is as soon as possible in that it's a community decision and you need town buying have that as, as highlights and that school is a town effort, and just looking at colliers with their feedback on the community support. So I noted for colliers they, in particular the Spanish speaking community outreach with, I have to get her name but that was very true for me as well. Yeah. That's an important potential attribute given that we have a, one of the schools involved has a dual language program. Yeah, yeah, so that was a very, very impressive point. That was CHA. That was colliers colliers. Okay. There were two firms that had Spanish speakers on staff right. Am I wrong on that. I think you're right. Was it, was it, was it CHA and colliers both? I think, I think both, I think in particular with colliers it was Elizabeth, if I'm not mistaken once now, and she was directly engaged with the community part. So I write. I would probably change my 10s to 11s for both of them. And really resolve our overall second place dilemma, I don't think. No, and on CHA, you know, I'm just a combination of the style of presentation after they got through their glitch did, but Christina opera on digital strategies and website was great, and she got great reviews for doing that and Brian Wilcox is a really day-to-day person that's their data. So I am probably, I would probably do my CHA more at a 10 on the interview on, on wherever the, I was on interview. I seem to have ranked them down. This is difficult. It is. It is. Now that we're speaking frankly here with on the recording. Yeah. I mean, you was talking about perfect or somebody was talking about perfect. We're the perfect team. And I don't know if that was CHA, but they said that was the end of the year. Yeah. But CHA did something similar, which really bugged me, which was when you hire CHA, you know, you're going to choose the best team and it's going to be CHA or something like that. And I thought, yeah, this is like right out of what's that TV show shark. Yes. Or Matt or Madman. We're the best and you're going to love us. Well, Anthony, you can change. For what it's worth my, my 10 for call yours to an 11. And that for that matter, CHA, because I do think that having the Spanish speaking staff is definitely a plus that sets them above Doran Whittier. Yeah, I would probably increase my own score for CHA given that. Did that do anything? Well, now we have a different. It now makes it more confusing actually more agreement on CHA. Yes, I think you're right. Yeah. So CHA too. Are we get is that what we're getting? I think so. All right. And then I don't think I don't think we need to contort ourselves to try to pick a third. No, it would be a yeah hopefully we don't get there. And I don't think we will. It's hard to measure. Yeah. Well, I think we have a really good first choice. I wrote down the, the Shelly from Vermont. I actually was thrilled to have someone be thrilled about a project. I talked about the opportunity for kids to learn the stewards for our future. And so, so, Anthony, can we, I know you're going into, you go then into negotiations. The one thing I wanted to make sure they can do for us. And is build a website for us. So just be asking that they gave, they gave some examples in their proposal but the websites that they, they were beautiful websites but they were for the final school. You know, you know, like, they would be doing the ARPS website for us and it would be a better website than what they were, they were beautiful websites, but just the project website because we need, we need them to be doing that for us. So just ask. I mean, I'm just assuming that one of those people will be doing that. Anthony, what other housekeeping items do we need to do for, for MSBA? I don't think this group needs to do anything at this point. When we close here, I will inform the first ranked finalist answer that they need to submit a fee schedule to the town manager. I will inform the other three that they are not the finalist. And I will talk to Dr. Morris to get the, we need to submit the packet to MSBA. So I'll tell him that we're getting close to that. And we'll have to submit that for next week. By rights, we're actually ahead of schedule because we said, we said negotiations would begin on Friday and here we are on Wednesday with our finalist. That's a good thing. So we've got, we've already got the meeting for the full committee scheduled. As long as nothing goes wrong, I don't think this group needs to plan to meet. I'm guessing when we put the packet together, I might need to tap people to maybe supplement what I've already written. And we'll, we'll run the, we should have what we're submitting ready for the meeting on meetings on Tuesday, right? But the full committee meeting is on Tuesday and we'd set up a subcommittee meeting for Monday morning, unless you don't think we need it. Oh, did we have one for Monday morning? I might have confused them. You might not have set it up yet. It's a subcommittee. I'm supposed to set it up, right? Yeah, you're supposed to. So I just had a question, Anthony, on the write up, you were going to give, if you need me to do anything, I just need to see what I, I assume I can go on MSBI site, but I'd need to know, like, what's the form that you're going to have to write to, and it was really helpful last time that you already had it and you'd filled in some of the stuff. So if you need, let's look at what that is. We got some, we got a couple minutes, we can look at what that is right now. Is it here, guidelines and forms? Well, that's what I went into there. And then I said, what am I looking for? Just Kathy needs, needs a guide to the MSB website. I said, so this is a submission for our choice of OPM and I couldn't find anything that had that title in it. Gosh, I, I was looking at the page just the other day because that's where I got this score sheet because I got it from there. And where is the full. Well, you don't have to do it in real time. I guess, I guess not. I thought I thought I was going to immediately find it. But yeah, so I will. And I'll be doing that with the superintendent. So anything that we, I need help filling out, I will contact. I'm on call all week. I thought that, you know, I announced already I would do whatever writing I need to do. You know, I've taken really good notes. So if you need something to summarize references, you just let me know. Do we should, but should I post a meeting for Monday or I think we're, I don't think we'll need it. I mean, the only, the only reason I can imagine we'd need it is if for some reason you can't come to a contract. Right. Okay. And so our group does not need to, you know, we had sort of thought of that there was a draft report where we had to do some of the writing we'd all review it but if we don't need to do that. I can just say, Anthony, if you need me at all, I can do just what I did last time which is, you know, I've, I seem to have a writing style that MSBA likes. And I call it the terse and succinct writing style. We're just coming away. We're just coming away. All right, I found it. So, I'm not going to be able to take a screen. No, you know, I wouldn't expect you to. But so a list of required information, the narrative includes following members issuing the RFS. Yeah. Okay, great. And then rubric score sheet, which we've already got. So, yeah, that shouldn't be too bad. Okay. All right. Sounds like we, we, we may be finished up. I guess before, before I formally close it. If, if any of the respondents are, you know, Viewing this after the fact through the whole thing, just to thank them all for their, for their efforts. I have no doubt there was a bit of weekend time involved with getting those interviews ready. For, for the other day. We do have a, we do have public comment on the agenda. If Ms. Cunningham feels the need to. Our only attendee right now. Well, let's do that. If she would like to comment. Doesn't appear. She does. Okay. So with that. We will conclude today's meeting. Thank you. Thank you so much, John. Actually, it's been a, I just want to say it's a pleasure working with all of you. Very good. And. Good job. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for leading Jonathan. Yep. Not at all. Bye. See you later.