 All right. Let's go ahead and get. Can we go ahead and get started? All right. Cool. Let's go ahead and get started. All right, everybody. Let's go ahead and start with the role. We'd like to call this meeting in order. Let's go ahead and start with the roll call. Mayor Bagley. Here. Council members Christensen. Here. Did I go faring? Here. Rodriguez. Here. Waters. Here. Mayor, you have a quorum. Great. Let's say the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Let's go on. Actually, let's go ahead and move before we start with motions to direct the city manager to add any agenda items or public invited to be heard. Let's go ahead and move city manager comments up. The bike's on. Hello. Yes, mayor council. We actually have Dan Eamon and Carol Helwig. Carol's with the Boulder County Department of Public Health. And we know we've had a lot of questions regarding coronavirus, what the city's doing. Dan's going to do a brief presentation. Turn it over to Carol and we just want to be here to answer any questions you all may have because we know that's a topic of conversation in our community. Good evening. I'll get in there. Good evening. My name is Dan Eamon. I'm the assistant public safety chief for the city and I also oversee the city's office of emergency management. So my purpose here tonight is to just try to give you guys a an overview of what we're currently doing in response to this COVID coronavirus issue. And as Harold mentioned, we also have Carol Helwig here. She's an epidemiologist with Boulder County Public Health. She's far smarter than I am. So ask any question you want of her. So kind of to start out with this this thing is so it's a public health led incident and anything that's kind of an epidemic pandemic. I guess any kind of DEMIC is really kind of a public health led response because they are the city's public health entity to their countywide. We're going to take a lot of our lead from them. This is what they do. And we have all the cities all the municipalities and the county have come together and decided to respond to this thing as a county. Harold's on board with this. We've had a couple internal meetings talking about this already. And there's a lot of systems that are already in place and a lot of systems that we're building to respond to this if it gets any bigger. Probably the biggest one that's going to have the most impact right away is what's called a joint information system. It's kind of a fancy name for all of the public information teams from all over the county. Municipalities, the sheriff's office, commissioner's office, school district, hospital systems, anybody that we can kind of think of that's related to this event in any way are coming together with public health to try to create a consistent messaging platform. Because I think all of you know that anybody in our community that spends five minutes on Google right now is going to either come out thinking there's nothing going on, we're going to die tomorrow and anything in between. So what we're trying to create here is a consistent messaging source that's going out countywide. That's the intent of this joint information system. And Merica is one of the managers of this system along with the city of Boulder representative and they're going to be responsible for making sure all of the entities involved have consistent messaging. That's probably the most critical thing we're doing right now. We also have a group that started meeting on Monday of all the agency administrators, all the city managers, the elected officials to talk about policy level issues. So we're going to do that weekly. We have the emergency management offices, Longmont Boulder are meeting every day with public health, the emergency plan is from public health to talk about tactical level things. What do we need to do to support our county departments? What do we need to do to respond to things that are coming up? And we'll continue to do that every day. On a more local basis, our primary communication tool from emergency management to the city is what we call the situation report. And we put our first one out today and they'll go out every day. It's something that we've used every year. We use them every year for severe weather season. And it's really a way that we can communicate. Here's what we're watching for. Here's the information sources we use. Here's some trigger points. Just a way that we can communicate with the city employees of here's what we're watching and always trying to ask what else can we do for you. We have a group that's getting together with the hospital systems. We're expanding that out to the clinics in the next coming weeks to try to support what they're seeing. It's probably going to be one of the initial catch points of things that do come in to the county, making sure the hospital systems are involved in the planning that we do. We're starting to think about what members of our community are going to need a little additional support and how we can start communicating with them, whether it's homeless, the assisted living facilities, all of those kinds of places we're starting to lean forward into that planning process too. You probably saw today the Governor Polis declared a state, a public health emergency for the state. Basically for them that's a vehicle to activate their state emergency operations plan which activates some state level resources and some dollars for them. It does not make dollars available for us. We have not done a local state of emergency and we're not anticipating that in the near future, but that's a tool that we can certainly use. That's the overview of what we're currently doing to think about this issue as a city. But I think the big message that I want to leave you with is this is a county level incident and we're going to respond to this thing as a unified county. This isn't something that's going to just pick Longmont. We're going to need to make sure that this is a unified response and that's how we're planning for it. The message that we're giving to our employees is really the same thing we're giving to the community. Wash your hands. If you're sick, stay home. We're asking our managers to send people home if they're sick. Cover your mouth. If you're coughing, I mean it's some pretty simple stuff that we're trying to communicate and I'm sure Carol will give you much more detail than that. But that's all I have for you. I'd be happy to take questions for you and I know Carol can give you much more detail on that. Great. Thank you very much. Keep us safe and keep us updated. Oh, sorry. Give us something. You're an expert, so say something. Oh, yeah, I do have how much time you want me to talk. Well, how many slides? If it's two slides, yes. If it's 24, no. Well, I'm a communicable disease epidemiologist and this is like my favorite subject, so I could talk all night. But I don't know, I could just field your questions or if you want some visuals, we do have some slides available. I would say that Dan, though, pretty much covered most things in a nutshell. The only thing that he didn't mention is that we are also recommending that all employers, everyone, recommend that people get a flu shot. A flu shot is not going to prevent COVID, but it can reduce the burden of respiratory illness in our community and we want to do that as much as possible anticipating that our healthcare system is likely going to be overwhelmed with people with respiratory illness. And then all those other safety messages that Dan mentioned are there's resources available on the CDC website. Like, for example, this poster, you can get that on the CDC website very easily. Another thing that I'll mention is that we are working with cultural brokers to reach out to the Spanish-speaking community and make sure that the messaging that we're getting out there is appropriate and reaching them and so that we're making sure that we're doing that. I don't know what other kind of information you would like to know. I guess one of the things that's most concerning to us and the reason that we are really trying to scale up to our highest level of activation is that there is community spread in the United States, especially in the state of Washington. The community spread there has occurred in people who did not have any connection to any travelers or to any known folks and once that happens is when we raise our level of preparedness to the highest level because community spread across the country is very possible right now. Possible or likely? I would say I don't have a crystal ball, but I would be very surprised if we don't get cases in Boulder County. I would be very surprised if we get through this unscathed. And on that note? On that note, wash your hands, get your flu shots, stay home if you're sick, and stay tuned. Sorry, Dr. Waters. Is this on? Can you pick this up? Can everybody hear us tonight? I've got questions like probably everybody else does. What are the thresholds that we reach before certain decisions are made? What kind of capacity do we have in our healthcare system and at what point is it overwhelmed? But those would all be speculation I suppose. But what isn't speculation is who makes the calls? I'm involved in a planning process for an event on the 27th of March where we would like a group of people to come together. The governor's going to be up here. It's a big deal focused on early childhood education. So in the back of everybody's mind is planning. What are the prospects that's going to be affected in that speculation? But who makes the decision whether or not to ban or to discourage, along a continuum, is there a stage where someone says, and who's the someone that we discourage gatherings? And is there a stage where someone, who's the someone that says, we're banning public gatherings? Can't use public facilities to bring people together? So I do have a slide that shares our incident management structure. And maybe it'll be helpful to pull that up. But basically we have a lot of our administrators and policy level decision makers within that structure. And so someone like me, I would make a recommendation to say, as an epidemiologist, I recommend that we do this to stop the spread of the disease. But then it's going to be up to the administrators, our public health director, and everyone jointly to make that call. So it'll be municipality by municipality if we're in a municipality. Is it generally the way that this is on? It is now. It is now. So generally the way this will work is they'll make, so, assume somebody tests positive. They're then going to do their work from an epidemiological standpoint to go, what's the risk? And they'll go, here's what we think we need to do in terms of managing that risk. That then goes to the director of their group and then they provide advice to us as administrators in terms of what they're going to recommend doing. And specifically to that question, as we've talked through some of this, whether it's a school district or it's a city, we're all going to be looking to them for guidance because they're also in working in conjunction with the CDC in terms of the protocols they're issuing. They then make a decision because they're the only ones that can really, for lack of a better word, say we need to do a quarantine or here's what we're going to do. And so then we will all start responding appropriately based on the advice that we get for them. Theoretically. And I'm just going to give you an example that doesn't mean that it's going to happen. It's helpful then. So what you see in some of the jurisdictions is you saw the Washington Department of Health make the recommendation to the Kirkland Fire Department that said you need to quarantine your firefighters in this fire station and they did that. So they were working in conjunction with that. Where it starts getting where there's other decisions for us is let's say theoretically there's students that do this and then they start making and they make a recommendation to the school district. We're then going to have to look to that recommendation to go then what does that mean for us in terms of rec centers and some of these other components. And so it's really their guidance that will start working is through the process based on the condition that we're dealing with at that given time and evaluating the risk in any number of things. So just in term, go ahead. I do also want to state that in statute public health does have the authority to implement actions to control the spread of disease. So ultimately the legal authority lies on public health and that is there. But we do want to do this in conjunction with our partners. We don't want to make these decisions in a vacuum. At some point, not right now, but at some point in time it'll be helpful to be more specific than public health, right? Here's the person. They make the call. It has the force of law or whatever. There's an emergency declared and there's no question. It's a director of public health. We have our public health director is Jeff Zajak but then we also have the state health department and the head of the state health department and there's also, I don't know what the acronym is but it's the GERC which is the governor's kind of emergency communicable disease group and they also have levels of authority within this process. Thank you. Okay. All right, anybody else? You know what, actually I do. Council member Rialogal-Ferring. So if there was a case in Colorado would they, would we be able to know which county it is in, what city it's in or is it just going to be an overall, it was in the state of Colorado? There may be different situations that result in different things. For example, if we have a travel related case that has not caused any potential transmission to the community we will likely not release the county because there's no risk to the community but if there's a case at Longmont High School then we likely will release that information because we'll likely have to implement public actions in accordance to that, so it depends. All right. That would be all. Thank you so much for your time this evening. Great, thank you. Okay, great. Let's move on to anybody who want to put anything on the agenda. All right. Seeing no one, let's go ahead and move on to public invited to be heard. Can we get the list? Thank you, thank you. Can you guys hear that? All right. We have one member of our community here to talk so hopefully it will be awesome. Greg Gabler, do you want to come up and address the council please? Some of the debates, right? I got three minutes and 15 seconds and I got to do it in three minutes, right? There you go. Okay. So I'll wait till after you say your name and address though. I'm going to read it. Hello, my name is Greg Gabler. I've been a teacher and a football coach in Varing Valley School District for 25 years. I have held a contractors license in Fort Collins and Longmont for 39 years. I worked as a teacher for nine months and as a contractor for at least, for three months at least every year that I can remember. Without the second income, I don't know how I'd been able to do and live in Boulder County. After retiring from teaching, it was clear that my retirement from PR though pretty good would not be enough to give me a very good retirement. I hadn't been able to accumulate any meaningful savings until I quit teaching and went into building full-time. The savings, however, made little income supplement to my retirement as my interest for the whole year with the interest rates the way they were was $41. A realtor came to me and asked me if I wanted to build a sixplex. My answer was yes, but my thought of losing what little savings I had was daunting. I soon found out that I hadn't put enough money away to qualify to build the project and so my son and daughter-in-law said they would be partners with me. With some interpretation, I put a contract on the property with contingency to do my due diligence. I went to pre-app meetings. I visited the lady in the building department who did permits and got an estimate for my permit. I did estimates for all of them. Actually, you know what? Let's fix this mic because we have time tonight and I want people to pay attention. I want to hear and it's distracting. No, you're not on the clock. I'll have you start over, sorry. I mean, we're walking around the room and so could we fix the feedback? No, it's not you. It's been on all night. But nobody cares about hearing us. Test, test, test, test, test. Test, test, test, test, test. Test, test, test. Test, test, test, test. Test, test, test, test, test. Mayor, why don't you test? Test, test, test, test. Okay, let's try this again. John, can you hear us? John Friar, thank you. All right, cool. Sorry. Mr. Gabbler, why don't you go ahead and start over? We'll give you an extra minute and a half. Go ahead and start from the beginning. Or anybody. I'm going to say I've been a teacher and a football coach in the St. Mary and Valley School District for 25 years. I've held contractor license in Fort Collins in Longmont for 39 years. I worked as a teacher for nine months and worked as a contractor. Hold on, we're still bad. Is it? Yeah, this is a huge... I'm not on. Test, test, test, test. Test. You try now. Test, test, test, test, test. Test. Oh, okay. Maybe just set the other mic on the floor in case it's approximate. Still hearing it though. Still doing it. Test, test, test, test. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Test, test, test, test. I'm not hearing a buzz. Cool, good job, Lockwin. All right, let's go ahead. If you want to start again, we'll go for it. How could I change this? There we go. I've been a teacher and a coach at St. Mary and Valley for 25 years. I've held contractor's license in Fort Collins in Longmont for 39 years. I worked as a teacher for nine months and as a contractor for three months every year to make it possible for me to live in this area. Without the second income, I don't know if I've been able to do so. After retiring from teaching, it was clear that the retirement provided by PERA, though good, was not enough to have a meaningful retirement. I had been able to accumulate, hadn't been able to accumulate meaningful savings until I quit teaching and went to building full-time. The savings, however, made little income supplement for my retirement as my interest for a whole year with the interest rates they were was $41. A realtor came and asked me if I'd like to build a sixplex in town. My answer was yes. It's always yes. But my thoughts of losing my little savings was a little daunting. I soon found out that I hadn't put enough money away to qualify for the project and so my son and daughter-in-law said they'd like to be partners with me. With some interpretation, I started with contingency to do my due diligence. I went to my pre-app meetings. I visited the lady in the permit department who gave me an estimate for my permit. Actually, she said it was better than an estimate. And I did all the estimates for all of the building. It was marginal and I was leery but my son encouraged me to go forward. We bought the lot, hired architects, engineers and committed all of our cash going. We were assigned a planner to work with us and we went forward full speed. We submitted our site plan and set goals to have our permit by January 1st. Along that time, my bank called me and said did you know the city was considering an additional fee for affordable housing. They said that I'd have to come up with that money to handle any increases. I went to the mayor and I said I can't do this. He assured me that my project was exempt for two reasons. It was too small and I would be grandfathered in. I went back to focusing on my plan review and architect plans. We got our site plans back after a first submittal with lots of notes to correct. But my planner said your plans are excellent. Clean up those red lines and we will be able to get this thing through very quickly. She even said you can submit for the building review of your building plans. It's that good. That's not usually done without some sort of thing on the builder. So I submitted my plans and paid a plan check fee for that of about $5,000. It was then that I was told the cost had doubled from what I was estimated from the building department. Another big blow to my finances. We still had our goal of starting January 1st and I went often to see my planner to help push her through my approval. I'm a kind of pushy guy. After numerous visits I found out that she was on an extended medical leave and no substitute planner was assigned. During this time I lost an ordinance and set two weeks or so to get plans approved. My focus changed from January 1st to panic. My planner came back and apologized for the circumstances her illness had caused. She said she would do something to get an approval before the 21st deadline. I don't know what it was. After two days I saw her again and she said she was told she couldn't be above her. A few days later I ran into another person in the lobby who I'd gotten to know very well. By the way, I really like the people I learned and worked with within the city. They were great. This guy looked at me and he said, Greg, we've had your plans entirely too long. I will hand deliver them and get approval and I'll predate them. Again, somebody up the line said, no way. I have finished the project and I have paid my fee. I had to pay my fee to get renters to go into the building. But I've had to substitute money from landscaping, blinds and interest that I need to carry the project till I get it fully rented. I'm in a financial problem and it's not my fault. Thank you. I cheated because we interrupted them plenty of time so I gave them the full time. Thank you. Let's move on to special reports and presentations. So we're on the study session. Are we going to move on? Let's start with the update on the climate change. What are you here for? Yes, this. I don't want you to go away. I'll get prepared for it today anyway. Yes, yes, yes. Mayor Bagley, members of council, I'm Lisa Knoblock, sustainability program manager and I'm here tonight to give you an update on the climate action task force and climate action in general. And if I get too far away from the mic and you can't hear me, let me know because I feel like you have to be really close to this thing. Or if I'm too close and it's making a weird sound, let me know. Okay, so climate action task force, you all saw a variation of this slide at the retreat a couple weeks ago. The climate action task force has now held five of their eight meetings. They have drafted recommendations on the three topic areas on the left-hand side and I will go through a pretty high level review of those recommendations with you tonight. And they have now moved into developing recommendations for the education outreach, adaptation, resilience and land use. And one change from when you saw this slide last is that they did decide to include waste management in the land use topic area. So you'll see recommendations around that and included in land use when that comes through. As I mentioned before, equity is incorporated throughout all the recommendations and there will be a section also on governance, plan evolution and adaptation. So looking at what do we do once the report is completed. So I'm going to run through these pretty high level. If you have any questions, feel free to holler. I'll do my best to answer. I'm not the drafter of these recommendations and I only have summaries. So I'll do my best to get answers for you all follow up if I don't have specific answers to your questions. So the building energy use group the recommendations are focusing on code updates. So we already have a policy in place where we adopt and implement the most recent code updates every cycle. And this would be looking at including solar and EV readiness in the next round of code updates coming in 2021. They're looking at an electrification recommendation. That group has decided that that's a pretty weighty and complicated topic and they don't have enough time as they would like to really dive deep into the research that they need to to come up with a comprehensive strategy around electrification. So their current draft recommendation is to form a feasibility committee to spend some extra time doing the research needed to really come up with a solid electrification strategy focusing on commercial energy efficiency through things like benchmarking and retro commissioning and then also residential energy efficiency through expanding and increasing participation in our efficiency works program and expanding the low income energy efficiency program as well. And then a cross cutting recommendation that they're looking at is establishing a climate action fund and so that would be identifying a number of different revenue sources that would help fund all of our climate action work because they recognize that in order to do a lot of the things that we're going to be proposing we're going to need additional resources for staffing and implementation and they want to look further at potential alternative revenue sources and establishing a fund to support that work. The renewable energy group are looking at a number of complementary recommendations starting with smart grid so that's really accelerating the AMI installation and looking at developing a plan for how to use that technology when it's only partially implemented so not having to wait until it's fully completed establishing a home energy management system so program to really establish homes to optimize energy use and really set them up to manage distributed energy resources as they come online. As establishing a five-year plan for developing a major inventory of distributed energy resources that are managed in Longmont continuing to aggressively pursue internal and external policies for greenhouse gas reductions and then workforce development so looking at how all of these things are going to be creating new workforce development opportunities for Longmont and how we can set up programs to really help train people up for that as well as understanding what are the sectors that might be negatively impacted as we move away from fossil fuels and making sure we have programs in place to retrain folks and get them into new sectors of work. The transportation group is looking at greater access to and participation in transit, biking, walking things that get people out of single occupancy vehicles, looking at partnering with schools on multimodal options looking at opportunities for incentivizing new programs for alternative modes of travel renewable sources to power transit so that's not only electrification but other alternative fuels as well and then looking at employer-based programs like alternative work schedules to create more flexibility in the workplace to reduce the need for driving overall or to help create more flexible schedules to reduce congestion and things like that. So as I mentioned at the retreat we're also going through a community engagement process concurrently to inform the public of the work that we're doing and to gain feedback on draft recommendations to understand how we might strengthen the recommendations what are potential impacts or negative consequences that we might not be thinking about and then what are we missing and so where we're at in that process we've developed and distributed flyers throughout town driving folks to the engaged Longmont website we started tabling at a number of different community events we're launching a questionnaire in the next couple of days we'll be doing presentations with a number of different community groups setting up educational kiosks at key community locations and working with volunteers to do what's called kitchen table conversations with friends, families, neighbors coworkers things like that and then bringing that information back to the climate action task force. So the next steps again they'll be drafting the recommendations for the new subgroups that we talked about they have a joint meeting with the Just Transition Plan Committee on this Thursday the 5th and that's a three and a half hour meeting where each of the subgroups that's completed recommendations to date will have an opportunity to go do a deep dive into one or two of the recommendations with the Just Transition Plan Committee who will do essentially an equity analysis on those recommendations and talk through possible equity impacts and look at opportunities for increasing the equitability of those recommendations again they'll be able to incorporate all of that feedback and from the feedback from the community engagement efforts to refine and finalize the recommendations the report is due April 8th and then that'll be presented to council on April 14th and then in addition to what's happening with the climate action task force we wanted to mention that the city also is really taking a number of steps to accelerate our work also in context of and in alignment with the climate emergency resolution and the resolution to transition to 100% renewable energy so we've been working a lot with staff to identify what we're already doing and some additional strategies that we can take to help accelerate those efforts I'm not going to go through every single one of these I'm just going to pull out some highlights but again if you have questions on any of these please feel free to holler as I've mentioned we're in the process of updating the greenhouse gas inventory that's well underway we have a lot of that data collected in our consultants right now we're in the process of modeling all of that information and we'll bring those results back to you all when we have them in the next couple of months we've talked to you about we're doing some energy efficiency assessments at a number of our city facilities we've just recently worked with the contractor on that to include an electrification component to that so looking at opportunities for fully electrifying those facilities as well we recently received a grant to transition some of our city land to low water turf and to do some demonstration and research on opportunities around not only reducing our water use on city property but also utilizing plant materials that reduce the need for mowing to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions associated with fuel use from those types of operations and then as Dave Thornbacher has talked to you about he's working with Plant River Power Authority on a distributed energy resource plan and again as I mentioned that's a focus from the Renewables Energy group as well that will have the recommendations from the Climate Action Task Force around distributed energy resources so we've also identified a handful of quick wins so things that we think would take few to little resources and have little to no negative impacts that we can put into place relatively quickly to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions so one of those things is telecommuting and web conferencing that's something that the city already does but there's not a lot of consistency across departments around how people are utilizing that there's not a lot of understanding across city staff about the technology that's available to folks so that's looking at promoting that creating greater educational opportunities so people know how to use the technology that we have available looking at potentially replacing some of our fleet vehicles with e-bikes when possible prohibiting plastic and disposable promotional giveaways that's something that we do a lot across city events that we could look at changing our practices around that to a 10 hour work day or requiring telecommuting one day a week at facilities where that would be possible so we can actually shut down one of our facilities for a whole day and save all of the resources that are associated with that and then prioritizing energy and water efficiency and low emissions practices and park development projects so those are just a handful of things that we could put into place pretty quickly and then new strategies these are things that we would need council direction on if these are things that you would like us to pursue and would also probably likely need additional time and resources to really dive into these and get the details on them what one of the things we would be looking at incorporating a climate change section or topic into all of our city plans so making sure that we're addressing climate change comprehensively across the organization requiring lead or other green building standards and all new buildings or major innovations looking at renewable energy opportunities and Nelson Flanders and Button Rock and then looking at something like a universal recycling ordinance and I know Bob and Charlie are coming to you guys in a couple weeks to really go much more in depth into some of those opportunities around waste diversion and reduction a couple of things I just wanted to make sure on your radar if they're not already some upcoming events that are tied to climate action work tomorrow is the Platte River Power Authority Community Focus Group and some of the findings coming out of their integrated resource plan so if you're not aware that that's happening it's tomorrow from 6 to 8pm at the 17 Place Event Center and then also tomorrow is the Linking Longmont which is a transportation oriented event at the museum from 5 to 7pm so just to have some things on your radar oh that didn't come out well sorry for the color on that I didn't realize it changed I think there but I just want to make sure everybody always knows that for more information or for information on how people can get involved with sustainability work and climate action work they can always go to the sustainability page we have all of our previous quarterly reports on there we have all the information about the climate action task force as well as our contact information so that's where we're at does anyone have any questions or comments they'd like to share Councillor Martin can you hear me? yes can you go back one slide before that some of these I'm a little confused about are these for city actions internal city actions only there are things that we that staff can take on internally yes okay because the like the lead or other green building standards and new buildings and major I think that's going to come out of the buildings as a general requirement for the next code update is that correct not specifically that I've heard and again this is coming from recommendations from staff that we've asked to identify potential strategies that they could put into place as well did you want to add something Harold am I on so I think there are some of the recommendations that will come into the code conversation that Lisa touched on it'll be in the future what we're saying here is in terms of how we look at our construction projects that are ahead of that conversation we will look out of under this lens so this is really something we can do ahead of that okay thank you for that clarification Dr. Waters thanks for your vaguely the what you have listed as recommendations are kind of categories in which recommendations have been or are being developed yeah they're I mean high level yes so you didn't share them with us tonight is that because or in preparation for this is that because they're just not ready they're too drafty they're pretty drafty and I just got them on Thursday so in the we talked through them Thursday at the climate action taskforce meeting and they now have some time to go in and tighten up their recommendations according to the templates that I showed you but here's the one thing I would ask you to think about as I look at the timeline and the public engagement process and when you're coming back to us which all is driven by the initial timeline and the budgeting process so if we're going to do something with the climate fund that needs to be in front of us before we budget this is the one concern I have is there's a ton of work all that's good I'm sure big powerful ideas I'm going to feel a little squeezed if we're the last ones to see recommendations after they've been processed by the community and you get the engagement process and they're you know they're kind of rolled up into okay what can we do at that point in time other than say bless them if you want meaningful if we get a chance to have a meaningful part in this it's going to go to the council can you hear me it's going to go to the council first and then we will then off of the council conversation then go through those other community involvement processes yeah so to clarify we are going through a community engagement process in the month of March to get that's what it sounded like and the draft recommendations are more of these category they're not they're not super in depth it's just to try to get a sense of one we're trying to bring the community along with us in this conversation as much as possible and to try to get a sense of are there negative consequences that we might not have on our radar it looks like we could get squeezed on it no and it's partly to help inform the climate action task force as they finalize the recommendations before they come to not a question for you I suppose it's a question for Harold maybe Joni and at the risk of beating a dead horse I'm going to beat it some more on slide 4 of 12 tell me which of those I could consider as an extraordinary benefit and expect to see proposed if we were to allow developers to deliver to us extraordinary benefits in the context of a metro district which of those might I be able to expect to see in an application probably the distributed energy resources yeah that's the most how about carbon free neighborhoods maybe the next to the last bullet control the greenhouse correct what about smart grids I mean what's on that list other than workforce development that wouldn't be a legitimate extraordinary benefit presented to us as an option if we thought it was a high enough priority we're talking about a climate crisis and we've taken off the board off the table as a council to include those extraordinary benefits in new development in this community that's not your problem to solve or to address but I just want to say it just makes no sense to me on the one hand to claim crisis and on the other hand be unwilling to get smart enough to learn enough to figure out how to take advantage of those opportunities as new housing stock comes on into the community thank you I also want to get a different point first to see the specific recommendations and information the specific information is coming to council first well my comment wasn't directed at anybody on the staff you understand that it was directed at my colleagues up here previous question is the one I was referring to alright anybody else alright thank you very much appreciate that alright let's move on to item 4B potential ballot item for financing of water projects the illustrious Dale Radamaker the one the only Mayor Baggling members of council and Dale Radamaker deputy city manager and here tonight to talk with you really fairly briefly on a particular issue that we have talked with you in the past about and that is on the financing strategies that we believe are necessary for the city to realize that the resource is necessary to maintain the city's treated water and water delivery systems to our community many of you were on council when we did the integrated treated water master plan several years ago that document identified upwards of 200 million dollars of resources that are going to be needed to both expand but primarily maintain this system that the community has come to run for the delivery of water inherent in that overall plan and also embedded in the rates that you approved last fall was continued debt financing as one of those options to get to that point and Jim Angstead is going to talk with you a little bit about some of the projects that we are believing are necessary and sort of qualify for that type of financing strategy and also the intergenerational benefit that is derived through a debt servicing approach in other words current people play it as well as future residents that come into our community and so it really does try to balance out that obligation in addition to it being a very flexible tool for us to use and balance the cash financing alternatives with the debt financing mode and without further ado I'm going to turn it over to Jim really what we are looking for tonight is we believe in order to stay on track in particular with the Nelson Flanders treatment plan expansion it is really necessary that we would seek approval this fall at the 2020 general election to issue additional water bonds for that particular project we are not asking for a formal vote tonight to place it on the ballot but rather whether you want us to continue to pursue the effort and do the necessary work such that we would bring that to you for your consideration this summer with that I'll turn it over to Jim Good evening Mayor Bagley City Council members Jim Angstatt Director of Engineering Services with the Public Works and Natural Resources Department I'm going to go ahead and just make a note here and cross off my first item because Dale already pretty much covered it so we'll go to the second slide in 2013 the city completed the integrated treated water supply master plan which identified the capital needs for the city's water utility for the next 20 years in order for the city to continue to provide safe and reliable drinking water to our residents and our customers the plan identified the cost for these basically our capital needs at over $200 million to date staff has been working on some of the critical short term projects but we are now at a point where we are ready to advance the debt financing component of the financial plan that supports the larger capital projects so the first one project we want to just quickly throw your way is as Dale mentioned the water treatment plan expansion at Nelson Flanders the city has two water plants which provide our treated water to our residents Nelson Flanders plant and the Wade Gaddis plant the Wade Gaddis is the older of the two it was designed with an older filtering process and it can be challenging for our operators to provide water that meets current drinking water standards an expansion of the Nelson Flanders plant will provide the capacity once we are after we and then as part of that project we would also decommission Wade Gaddis another potential project is the North St. Vrain Pipeline this is located north of Lyons the pipeline carries water from this North St. Vrain Crete to the Nelson Flanders water treatment plant pipeline was constructed in the 40s and 50s and as you can see one of the challenges is there are access issues the photo on the right shows that the pipeline because of its age has been deteriorating and it it is a mix it an ideal candidate for replacement so another alternative project we are looking at is the Price Park Reservoir the original reservoir was constructed in 1923 we had improvements undertaken in the 70s and 90s this is located over by the Sunset Golf Course the facility is reaching the end of its useful life it is displaying some leakage from the liner there are some openings in the roof that are requiring extensive maintenance and state inspections that have called for a higher degree of maintenance to meet current standards so that is just some of the quick highlights of some of our projects we are looking for council direction but as you and as Dale indicated you are aware that financing of projects is subject to voter approval and in the past residents of Longmont have been highly supportive of the city's effort to improve our public utility infrastructure other examples of that we did bonds for the wastewater system as well as storm drainage system so this evening public works and natural resources is requesting city council direction on moving forward for us to continue our efforts to prepare for possible placement of this issue on the ballot for the November 2020 general election thank you Mayor Bagley Mr. Angstead is this already secured bonds or is there a tax associated with the bond issue to secure I'm going to have some of our wonderful staff come up and answer that question Council Member Martin the bonds will be paid for by water rates there's no taxes involved and it would be secured by the rates and the rate increases that you have already codified so there's we don't need to go back and do yet another adjustment to the rate of the strategy that you put in place which is a five year plan of rate adjustments yes okay so that means that we are asking for bond authority and we're not asking for any more money from the rate payers or the tax payers that other than what has is already in the plan correct other than what you have already codified but to be clear the rates are increasing they are scheduled to increase each of the next several years and so you know the way I would say is that we have already laid out the rate structure necessary to fund the capital improvements necessary for the next several years without having to increase the rates even further than what you have already approved agreed yes I just wanted to make sure that that was out there if I could make a statement while I have my mic working I would like to say that I think it is important in the face of what we're looking at evaluating in terms of the climate action task force recommendations that are ongoing planned infrastructure updates happen on schedule before some of these major activities that were unanticipated hit us so I really I am in favor of proceeding with this if it is at all possible see nobody else I have got the only question so I am going to make a motion when I ask this question so we have had ballot this is on a scale from 1 to 10 this is like a 10 we need to fix our waters infrastructure I want to make sure we don't have the same mistake we need a swimming pool and ice rink right but we have learned some lessons which was moving forward with a ballot initiative or a ballot measure without having buy in from the community specifically certain members of the community I am going to make a motion that we move forward but I think it would be foolish if we just put it on the ballot I think we need to hold community meetings we need to pay to you know market as to what the needs are and why we are doing this we need to market to make sure that people understand that we are not going to be additionally increasing rates that we will not be asking for attacks because it will get muddy and people will start complaining that we didn't take it to the public and even if we do they are still going to complain about it so we have to go over the top I mean like meetings in your face call Gordon call the people who I mean call them and just say hey please attend the meeting because we are going to need your support we are also going to kill it Mayor Bagley if I could respond to that real quickly that is exactly why we are here in the first part of March because I agree with you I believe we need to communicate and talk with our community about the very need this is in my estimation this is a need to have if you value having clean reliable water for your community I put it in that category but I might be a bit biased coming from public works and I will admit that so yes our intent is to work very closely with Marika and the entire city public information team to really have a good community dialogue around this such that when we bring this to you later this summer your formal consideration of it you will have that information as well with that I move that we I move that we instruct staff to move forward with efforts for possible placement on the ballot for the 2020 election second alright seeing Dr. Waters so is that what we are doing tonight I thought you were going to bring it back just for that action just move forward the motion is to move forward therefore a potential ballot issue and for you to make that decision and I believe it's August time frame August is when you will be voting to formally place it on the ballot or not can I make one editorial comment you can do it I mentioned I think last Tuesday the news article television news piece just before I left to come to the meeting about a water main I think it was in St. Petersburg it was a sewer main it was a sewer main but it was a catastrophic failure and what we are trying to do is avoid those kinds of experiences so to the degree that in building the case that the mayor is talking about we could build a portfolio of examples of where people have failed to do this because they continue to defer and defer and defer the girls got several in all in all honesty we lived through it on the backside of shortly after I obtained the position I was in the previous community we lost water to about 75% of the community we also had a major sewage leak that spilled thousands of gallons of raw sewage into the river and had to very quickly completely restructure the capital improvement plan to try to get ahead of that cycle and if you don't plan and you don't look out 20 to 30 years you will create a significant financial needs it's not if but when and so my experience and what I've always said is I never want anyone to be in that same position in the future and so we have to be very focused in terms of how we're managing the system and how we're looking into the future I don't want to go through that so I can give you personal examples of that I did want to end with one thing before you vote on that we had a paragraph in the communication about the street fund I know there was some council interest on whether we should or shouldn't move forward as well to potentially consider some sort of a debt servicing package on the street fund we are working on that we're not ready to bring that to you for discussion yet I would think in the next 30 to 60 days we'll have that discussion just so you know that conversation is when we get information like we received last week about a four million dollar grant that starts changing how we're evaluating the financial considerations and there's another grant that we're going to be going for and I think that's due the answer will be mid-summer is that what we heard and so there are things that we need to also wait on to really understand that all right thank you there's a motion on the floor all in favor say the motion is to direct staff to move forward on the preparations to put this on the 2020 ballot all in favor say I I oppose say nay all right the motion passes unanimously with councilmember peck absent all right let's move on to four we're doing okay it's eight o'clock we've been going for a little over an hour we're all right children's meals mayor members of city council my name is Karen Roney I'm the community services director and as you recall earlier this year there was some discussion among city council about healthy beverages with children meals and the council provided some direction to staff to to bring back for discussion at a study session possibility of bringing forward an ordinance so tonight is that discussion it we have nine slides we have three or four people who are going to be making the presentation and I will I will wrap that up with some questions that you might have and and really to get some direction from council about if you want to pursue us doing more work and bringing back an ordinance about healthy beverages with children meals so I want to introduce Olga Brimunas who is with children youth and families and she will go over the first three slides with you good evening Mayor Bagley and city council members I'm Olga Brimunas with children youth and families so I want to talk today a little bit about the process so you know there has been like a long process I want to say three years working with the community so the healthy and long one is a coalition between that was conformed between parents it was also community members, children youth and families local businesses, public health state and national health organizations that came together really just to look and to see how we are going to be able to support our children how are we going to make sure that our children are really healthy so this coalition started working at bringing the messages into our community so through different community events like Cinco de Mayo especially targeting the Latino community also the Colorado Latino festival and unity in the community so this coalition was going to different events just bringing the information bringing some educational tools so people were really aware of their consumption so you know through really dynamic exercises so engaging the community asking questions and through games so parents and kids were learning really about the amount of sugar they were consuming and we were really amazed to see that a lot of parents were really aware of this that they were not really thinking that you know a kid in a glass of water in an office sometimes they can consume between 8 to 10 spoons of sugar in one drink so through this process a lot of articles were published in the Times call and also in our local magazine and some letters to the editor also were published and multiple presentations were done at schools middle school, elementary school high school also presentations at children, youths and families presentations at Salute Clinic also they collaborated with this effort and also the hidden sugar campaign was promoted at Clinica Longmore United Hospital and through other organizations so this message was used into the community through this three years and also through the Mayor's Book Club we always send an insert so we send that information about the impact of the sugary drinks to families so we send this twice so that was able to reach like 1,325 families that we were able to work with and messages were sent also through Facebook Twitter and social media and also a reach was done through the summer meals programs we have a meal program for the last three years so this group have been going to the meals programs and educating parents and children about the impact of the sugary drinks and also the farmers market also was an outreach done here in this slide you can see all the different organizations that have been pledging and supporting this effort so if you see this slide you can see Salute Clinic, you can see our local non-profits and also you can see Business, the Roots and the Hefes is also one of the businesses have been supported and actually tonight we have Sean, a business owner so we reach out to them and also we have that support also you can see the American Heart Association and the American Diabetes Association so this group hasn't been working just alone so this is a coalition really trying to tackle this issue from so many different perspectives and now I want to talk a little bit about the ordinance so the ordinance is not a really punitive ordinance, pretty much what we are trying to accomplish here is the restaurants will be offering, you know when they have the children's meal they are going to be offering a healthy beverage and a healthy beverage the definition will be water with no other natural or artificial sweetness milk with no dairy susitos with no added natural or artificial sweetness so pretty much will be water sparkling water or milk without any sugar and the restaurants still they can sell another type of beverages if parents request that or the children request that they can also they will be able to provide that beverage so now I would like to introduce Tessa from Public Health so it's going to keep providing more information about the work that Public Health have been doing. Good evening Mayor Bagley and City Council so I know you all have heard a lot about this and I'll keep it brief but we just wanted to be really clear on what the policy says so our definition of a children's meal is a meal that is advertised to children that comes with food and a beverage for one price the default beverage is the beverage that automatically is offered with the meal so those are the definitions of what we're talking about and I included the definition of default here just because I think as we're talking a lot comes up a lot in this conversation the definition of default is a choice automatically made by somebody else so as we're thinking about this what we're doing is really opening choices up for parents is how we see this so this is just a depiction of what could be offered as Olga explained that there's unflavored milk or any kind of water without added sugars and we know that this works Disney Resorts adopted this over 10 years ago and you can see from the chart here that 68% of the time parents stick with the default healthy beverage option McDonald's also did this and this data is from 2014-2015 and they just released some new numbers in 2018 and the number of healthy beverage choices has increased another 10% so it's almost up to I think 55% now so we know that this works so Disney does it Disney does it, McDonald's does it that's a quote from Mayor Bagley in the paper Disney does it yes Disney does it so here is just so you can have a real sense of the impact on local restaurants when we're talking about restaurants here we're talking about food trucks or grocery stores or convenience stores we're talking about places that serve meals they could be sit down restaurants fast food restaurants there are a total of 218 according to public health way we classify these things in Longmont right now 80 are serving children's meals or I'm sorry so it's 37% serving children's meals 92% of those are currently offering sugary drinks so there are 74 restaurants that would be impacted by this policy and and at this point Sean Gaffner who owns Smokin' Bowls the Roost and Hafez who's been an amazing member of the Healthy Longmont Coalition and has voluntarily adopted this himself is here to talk about the business perspective hey y'all thanks for having me not that you have a choice I think I get to just show up and talk so I may do this more often Tuesday nights 10 years ago I heard it said that restaurants are the heart of a city and that's always since then kind of been part of the grid through which I filter decisions to just responsibly run restaurants it's actually been printed on our menus the last five years and it's why we chose from the very beginning to give 10% of all of our profits back towards just back to the community we've given over $120,000 to help local families in the process of adoption we've helped eight kids come home that maybe wouldn't have been able to without that it's why I've always kind of done the extra work to responsibly source local and sustainable products that we sell a few years ago when we started seeing all the statistics about single-use plastic I personally spent quite a bit of time and resources to figure out how to eliminate those from our restaurants and it's been about two and a half years with all three restaurants now no single-use plastic there still pressuring the company to stop packaging things in bags and so it was really clear when about a year ago I started seeing the statistics about sugary beverages and the effects on kids health and so we look at okay well how can we be more responsible with what we do inside the restaurants and for us and we even when we changed the menu about a year ago to where I used to say kids meal includes I think it listed like sodas, lemonade, juice, water or milk so we changed it to just say includes water or milk and that for us and what we communicate to our staff specifically our servers is that this isn't us ever wanting to like bring parents if they ask for a soda or even tell them how to parent but really rather it's us partnering with parents I have four kids myself and so I know what it's like when you go to a restaurant and say it includes a soda some of them even have like includes dessert or pictures of milkshakes or that's a fight every single time even with the best kids that know it's not going to come and so for us it feels more like partnering with parents to like not have that fight you know maybe 20 years ago when it was a lot more rare and more of a special occasion to go out to dinner you know it was probably way more common and fairly harmless to let your kid have a soda because it's special but now it's I mean I see the same families especially between multiple restaurants five to ten meals a week families are going out now and so for us this just feels like how can we be responsible with these families that are eating out five to ten times a week or five to ten meals a week and right now and yeah every once in a while we have parents that ask hey can we substitute a lemonade or a soda for the milk and my staff know our number one core value is that we're a yes restaurant and so it's always a resounding yes absolutely free refills sure extra spoonfuls of sugar like you're the parents you can parent them but for us it really feels like just trying to be helpful free refills on chicken wings I'm just kidding maybe for you guys I'll test that there and so yeah that's that I don't know if you guys have any questions I know some people have asked about like what about the costs because soda is really inexpensive but what we've found is since it said just water and milk like 70% of the times they just say water and so I think if anything we're spending a little bit less money on beverage costs for kids because with my family we always just get water and they know that now but anyway so it's not that now instead of spending a nickel on a soda we're spending 25 cents on a glass of milk it's we're serving 70% water great thank you appreciate it I care just a couple more slides and then we'll turn it over so as Okoh had mentioned initially the coalition here in Longmont Boulder County Public Health they have done a tremendous job of doing outreach and education for the past three years and one of the things that if council would like us to continue on this discovery and finding out you know what the community's appetite is for this particular ordinance that we would that we would do some additional community engagement we would primarily work with the engaged Longmont process obviously restaurant owners are very busy they have a lot going on they don't have a lot of time to go to meetings and so what we would do is that we have done some preliminary work with our communications and marketing staff around how to set up an engaged Longmont site with stories questions and answers community forums to make it easy for restaurant owners to be able to weigh in because as you saw that you know there are 70 some restaurants that would be impacted by this ordinance if we choose to move forward with that so we need their voice we want their input in order to this to be successful if council chooses to move forward so we will have a kind of a restaurant site and as well as a community site because lots of people have opinions about this and so we also will indicate how Boulder County Public Health has resources and abilities to support restaurants to come into compliance with this ordinance if again we choose to move forward with that and certainly based on the input that we get from the community if there are some modifications to the ordinance we would certainly include those for further consideration with with city council so really tonight we're looking for some direction and from council some input particularly around the compliance issue too is that and Eugene Mayor City Attorney can help me with this but what we would look at or what we propose would be is that Boulder County Public Health would be responsible for compliance they already are responsible for inspecting restaurants certifying restaurants are healthy doing things right not making people sick so they're already out there engaging with restaurants and they could really be the party responsible for compliance and if there was a violation then they would in turn contact the City of LaMont we would designate the staff to be their contact and then we would go through the process of enforcement if you will and so we would need some direction from council about what kind of enforcement option we would look at so I understand and Eugene can help me so I understand that certainly by the Charter it requires us that if we have an ordinance then we're responsible for enforcing it and so but we also have an administrative civil penalty within our code that allows us to to basically enforce and violations to deal with violations through an administrative or civil penalty option rather than a criminal one and so we would be looking for any direction from council in regard to and regard to client compliance and enforcement as well as anything else that we had in the very drafty ordinance that we included in the packet so questions, direction anything that you would want to direct staff to either move forward in this way, stop anything in between? Councilmember Christensen I do think that this is a very good idea I think that all this is a balance between the individual's rights and the community's rights and in this case I think this is a modest compromise that allows people to have their choice it's just that the default drink that comes is either water or milk and I think that is the thing that people most misunderstand about this I'm telling them as parents what to do we're just saying that when you order a meal the default choice will be one of those two choices you can still order whatever you want as somebody who's dragged around a car full of little boys tanked up on candy and caffeinated sugary beverages I can tell you it would have been nice to have a choice of not giving them that but you know anyway I do think that the two sites are good I think the two things that need to be clarified for a business probably is that if I serve somebody a drink that they ask for will I be fined and the answer is no because they ask for that and the default beverages that you're bringing are those default beverages and I think the thing that needs to be clarified for parents is you're ordering me around and you're telling me what to do with my kids and blah blah blah blah and no we're actually not we're giving you the choice of you know you have a choice of milk or water if you want other choices then you can order them and we'll bring them but I think this makes it very very simple the level of childhood decay tooth decay and obesity and diabetes which all have really awful long term consequences is a habit that gets set up in childhood often or it's a matter of genetics but it's exacerbated by sugary drinks and you know I think this makes it easier for a lot of parents to just say no you're gonna these are your choices I also you know I forgot what I was gonna say anyway I also wanted to thank Sean because he is one of the more successful businessmen in town and he's also a good guy and he did this voluntarily because he sees the sense in this and I would really much prefer to have had many more businesses do this it's much better if people voluntarily do stuff but as we all know people often don't make that choice and so this to me seems like a very sensible thing I'm not interested really in a civil penalty I think these are pretty modest amounts because it's the first one is just $35 the second was in five years so that gives people a lot of time oh I remembered what I wanted to say is there a time for a business to phase this in I mean I don't want to phase it in like next week you have to do this because they have they may have to reprint menus that's very expensive correct I think I think the Tessa Hale has from Boulder County Public Health has indicated that the health department does have resources they want to help restaurants come into compliance so if they need assistance in costs with reprinting menus that kind of thing that they would do that and then they also would recommend a delay if we do move forward the ordinance and it passes to have enough time to be able to transition and help people be successful with that there's always white out but that's not too classy there is white out so and I think just to clarify that the compliance is really about if you serve a children's meal which defined as it's a one price for a beverage and a meal that you have that correctly listed on your menu that is really what when public health goes in to do the re-instructions that's what they would be looking for if you offer that children's meal does it have a healthy beverage that's the level of compliance and I hope that would be a very modest cost to businesses to make that change anyway thank you for bringing it forth Pat I I are you done? I could move or I don't know if you want to move it I move that we adopt this do we direct staff to move forward? yes move staff to move forward I'm sorry all right it's been moved by Kirsten and seconded by Dr. Waters Councilor Martin yeah I'm going to vote to move forward but I just wanted to say because I think some of this was stated in complicated ways the only thing a restaurant would be out of compliance for is what it says on the menu and not what they serve or anything else just what it says on the menu and and then the other question that I wanted to ask and Councilmember Christensen came close to it is chain restaurants especially have menu reprint cycles and I would like to make sure that the ordinance takes that into account in terms of the interval required for compliance yeah that's a good idea that's all I agree with that so Councilmember Loughlin don't apologize you're on council this is what we do go ahead it's your turn I know it's been a long time so something I did want to point out that I thought was very just an astounding bit of facts is that in the United States the health costs due to obesity related diseases are approximately $190 billion with about 40% of that being paid through Medicare and Medicaid which are taxpayer we pay for those programs so if my calculations were correct that's approximately $76 billion that is being spent on obesity related diseases illnesses I'm going to move forward with this but some of the pushback that I've heard from constituents was we're government these are choices people still have choices but us as a governmental institution we are promoting and standing behind healthy drink options for healthier lifestyle so yes Dr. Waters I'm also going to support this because I think it's the right thing to do and the data that council member Hidalgo Farring just shared is part of the reason and we've already e-mails about becoming a nanny state and whatnot but to say I wonder if those who would accuse us of parroting would choose not to put their children in car seats which government says you do because we owe it to children or that we would say use a seat belt or not isn't the law that the state says you're going to use a seat belt because of the cost to society if you don't so it seems to me that we're falling far short of that kind of role for the state we're sending a clear signal about our values and how important it is to pay attention as decision and to make it easy for parents to make the right decision on behalf of their children and I think it is absolutely what we ought to be doing there's a motion on the table actually I just want to say I'm going to vote for it however when it comes back I will make a motion not to include an administrative penalty if it comes back with one I will also make a motion that we give plenty of time in order to allow them to hit their reprint cycle I don't look at this as us being in any state either I think it's just a matter of just letting people know that hey water and milk come with it and if they take the proactive step to say hey but we want some sugary drinks or pop or whatever you can still do that it's not that big of a deal my bigger concern isn't telling parents what to do with their kids because we're not we're telling the restaurants how to run their business and the really the only thing that I think that a business owner would be concerned with is why are you imposing costs on me so I just want to make sure that we're not imposing those costs even if it makes even if it means that we have to go a little bit longer in allowing them to become compliant so all right we have a motion on the table all in favor say aye opposed say no all right that passes unanimously with those of us present and council member peck not present and so she'll be back tomorrow all right so thank you all right last but not least let's talk about house bill 21164 concerning the exemption of a housing authority from certain fees imposed by a water conservancy district I assume everybody has read this if not take two seconds while I make a motion I move that we direct staff to oppose house bill 21164 all right so that was moved by me and seconded by everyone will say we'll say mayor pro tem Rodriguez get him on the get him on the agenda for tonight all right and then anybody have any further comments debate etc all right councilman Martin yeah thank you I just I just wanted to say you know from the water board they were pretty serious about opposing this and they had very good reasons so I won't go into them at length but trust us it's not a good plan all right so that said all in favor say aye opposed say nay all right that passes unanimously with councilmember peck absent mayor bagley one of the really fast thing at coffee with council there was a question about the status of the management of single use plastic so I just thought I'd give a very fast update as to where that is the city council you may remember that you supported house bill 1163 really in your first session at this point it's still in committee so it's still turning and burning and so I haven't heard necessarily anything I know they've had a debate about it how to phase it in and what it's going to look like but that bill is still alive and that's where it stands so thank you all right all right that said let's move on to mayor and council comments councilmember Martin I just wanted to add to what assistant city manager Seder said which is that the climate emergency task force also really really wanted to do something about single use plastics and kind they you know it was very sad to have to tell them that we can't tell what to do until the state decides whether they're going to act or not so we're going to get a we as she was she recommendation from the climate action task force but we want to continue to to promote the state taking action on this all right anyone else all right seeing we have no further comments let's go ahead and move on to city manager marks anything else no comments mayor council Mr. May it's any marks all right do we have a motion to adjourn in the spirit of I move to we move to adjourn all right has been the motion has been made by rare show of partner solidarity with council members Christian center Martin I shall second that all in favor say aye opposed all right we're adjourned according to six of us and ironically council peck is absent