 The warrants are circulating. Okay, when the meeting is called to order, are there any additions or changes to the agenda? I would make a motion that we go into executive session per one VSA section 313A3 and invite a candidate for the DPW position to join us. Is there a second? Second then. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. So we are out of executive session. We have nothing to report. We went into executive session on personnel under one VSA 313A3 relating to the employment of a public officer or employee. We interviewed a candidate for a position in town and we had nothing to report. Now we are moving on to our public comment and we have a couple of guests here as either of you here to make a public comment. Both of you are here to make a public comment. Okay, Barbara Sayer had first, I invite you to join us up here. Okay, thank you. Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you. Happy New Year, please. Okay, Barbara Butler, Assistant Town Clerk. So it took a while for Orca to post their most recent, your most recent support meetings. They didn't get posted till like the middle of last week. So it was the middle of last week that I watched them both which is what brings me here to stress the importance of please adhering to the timeline of the production of the annual report and town meeting. What concerned me was that you guys were looking at it and I heard the comment that it doesn't go to the printer until whatever date. The problem is that there's a huge amount of work that needs to be done on everything that's submitted for the town report before it goes to the printer. And even without what I'm getting ready to tell you, it's a huge amount of work. But what I need to tell you that I didn't think you'd need to know, but you do need to know is that our graphic designer is getting married in January and leaving. And so it's a real tight deadline. And my real concern is that January 10th, so the last date to approve the budget's January 9th and I have every reason to believe you guys are on schedule with that. The very next day, January 10th, is the schedule for the treasurer to get all the financial documents to the graphic designer because she has only three days before her wedding to get everything set up and done. If you guys are not able to meet that deadline, we're simply gonna need to turn production of the annual report over to the select board and you'll need to find another graphic designer. The schedule is real tight, but that's the deadline so we need to adhere to it. Has she started working at all? The things that I've given her, she's completely done everything that I've sent her. There are things that I've done. But the financial pages are like 22 pages in the annual report and there's all those graphs and charts and everything and she has to format it to make it fit on those pages. Without a big long chart carrying over to the next page, it's a lot of work. So you said January 10th. If you look on your schedule, January 10th, the day after you approve the budget is the day the treasurer is supposed to send all the financial documents to her. So I'm just here to please that you guys meet that deadline because if you don't- So meeting that deadline still works? Oh, it absolutely works. That's the agreement we have. That's the agreement we have. It's just I didn't want, I want you guys to respect the work that it takes to put all this together and the reason why we have a schedule of deadlines to meet. Okay. Okay. Thank you. That's really what I needed to address upon you. So when I say the treasurer, whoever of the maybe the four of you is acting in that function or if it's Wendy, that you guys are coordinating with her because she has other work commitments through memory and she's not just available at the drop of a hat. And so you need to be coordinating directly with her. So on her schedule, she knows that's a deadline she needs to meet. All right, so we need to circle back with Wendy. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And really, if you guys are not gonna be able to meet that deadline, you're gonna have to find somebody else to do the annual report. Well, okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. We actually had somebody here offer to help us. So I have not forgotten that comment. I won't say that anymore, but not right now. Thank you, Barbara. Absolutely. Don't leave you, yeah. So today's the second we're meeting next week and we may end up having to just devote the rest of, you know, the book or all the events we have. I think we're gonna have to do all of our January 9th meeting devoted to the channel report. Probably, yeah. But that's okay. Yeah, we had that meeting on our books. Okay, great. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. And Barbara, thank you for, I've heard about all of your help during the emergency. So thank you for- Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Well, there were other people helping. I said, right here in this very room. Thank you. It's been a huge help in so many ways. Oh, okay. Thanks, Barbara. Yeah, I don't know if you guys have had a chance to see the opens positions spreadsheet and the posting that was on the front porch for a forum today, but yeah. Barbara did the bulk of the work, but she and I have been coordinating on that over the- Great. Long weekend. Thank you. It looks great. Yeah, that was a huge amount of work, but I'm really proud of that spreadsheet. I hope you guys are happy with that. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for keeping the spirit in the community there, Barbara. Thank you. Bye, Barbara. Hi, Rene. Hi, Rene. Hi, my name's Rene Degas. I'm representing the first bond association. We sent you an email about the things that we're asking you to do, I guess, at this meeting too. Not at this meeting. Okay. We said we would do the permit stuff on the night, not this meeting. Ninth. Okay, okay. So if we speak to you today, we'll give you time to warn it. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah. Okay. So that's one of the things, yes. You know what these three things are that I'm gonna sentence that you agree to, to give us the $100,000 from the art of money without having to put it on the warning and that you do put on the warning the bond vote. So that that can go ahead on time meeting day. And while I'm here, I'm gonna as well. I thought you said there were three things. So the other one was to sign the permit application, which was, right, which is the ninth, and he said, wouldn't you sign it? Yeah. All right. And while I'm here, I'm gonna as well also put in a plug for the East Coast Fire District to give us the $60,000 we asked for without having to put it on the ballot. Not as important as that. Without having to put on the town meeting warning the press is here. I'm sure he gets it right. Okay, yeah. I understand what the heck we're talking about, you know. All right. That's all. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Thanks so much. Have a new year. Thank you. Have a new year. I'm sick of her. Okay. I have two quick things. Up for public comment. No, there's nobody else here from the public, right? I'm asked, no, I was gonna move on to the two. Two quick things that I have put on here. Those two, actually, I was gonna ask if we can do them as a consent. These, the two items that are action items are, I didn't know if you wanted, I wanted to give you some background on the town hall fund. We had budgeted last fiscal year 8,000 for the town hall fund. There was 5,000 in it. So Nemerick moved the 8,000 into the fund. The invoice, as is on here, is $10,250. So we are, we have enough money in the town hall fund to pay for this invoice, and the board has to vote to approve the use of the funds. Okay. So that's the second bullet. Yeah. Is approving use of the reserve funds for the work that was done to raise the shutters on the shutters which are behind us. And then the other one that we can do, I think, as this one motion is, we discussed this last time, appointing Donna Fitch at a $20 an hour rate, not to exceed 1,500 without coming back to us. And that is to organize, chase down every grant we've got going and put it all in one spreadsheet or several spreadsheets for the summary so that it's all in one place. And she's offered to do that one for us. So I would make a motion to vote those two items. I'll second. Is there any other question or discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. All right, budget. Budget. All right, I brought the spreadsheet on my... You have it electronically, did you? I take it electronically so we can see on this slide. I have it on my Confuser. Can you get into it, Rick? And if you guys are pulling it, yeah, I found the town office budget request. Okay, good. So are we looking at the same one? Is it dated? I have it 9-22. This is what we have in the share drive. The one in the share drive for the town meeting has a new tab, January 2nd, 2023. You've got to go to the drive. I am in the drive. Oh. Hold on, let's go back. Let's go up. There's a budget for 2022, so let's go to the budget. Is it under... It's under there. That's how it gets under there. Instead of 2023 town meeting, I think you've got to go up. Yeah, I've got to get down to that. Yeah, right there. Oh, 2020. Yeah. And is it, is one you put in there today? I updated the one that's there, and I added a new tab. So we want the... I will, it's in Excel. It's in Excel. And I... Fy24SB budget's a little draft. Yeah, Fy24SB. So the one thing I will ask Rick, since you're opening the same one I'm already in, actually, I opened it, I downloaded it so that I don't have to use Wi-Fi. But I will take notes in there. Okay, I just want to be able to see. I won't touch it, we'll take... Okay, so... Yeah, and then I'll just say the tab. Is it under the town meeting? Yes. Oh, there it is. Okay. And it says that I touched it today. And then if you scroll down, you should have, there you go, you've got the new tab. Okay, all right, yeah, we're all on the same page. I love when that happens. Okay. So, we have... I think we should go, we should do, we should discuss salary items in executive session. We can report out what we're gonna do, but I think we deserve, we deserve, and people deserve for us to be discussing details and inquiries. Well, it is personnel related. It's personnel and it can be sensitive and whatever. So let's not talk about salaries, which brings us down to, I think we've pretty much, we've been through and we have numbers in everything except... Do we have... The copier maintenance agreement, we said we were gonna move down to the town office. That's up under select board, right? Right, but we're moving it, is the note. We're gonna remove it from select board and move it to town office. So when I'm 17, you mean copier maintenance agreement? Yeah, you got it. Yeah, we're gonna remove this one. Well, she's gonna do it, we're not... Well, I'm just, I'm leaving it there for now, until we write, yeah. And then... You want to highlight this stuff so we know what you need, so you don't miss it later on, or? I've got a note there, sure. But I'm gonna do it, but I, as I said, I downloaded it, so I'm not working on, I don't have to work on the Wi-Fi. Do you want me to highlight the, I am in the driver, do you want me to highlight that yellow? If you highlighted it yellow, all the things that we might be relocating, change the font color or something. I'll just do a highlight, that's good. Okay. So then, mileage reimbursement, why does that one blank? We use it, they're gonna actually... Well, I guess I want to look and see if there's, is there mileage reimbursement under town clerk or town office at all? I can't look right now until Rick's done. I might snack and I'm just gonna, I think that that's good. Is it, can you scroll down a little bit? Yeah. Milage under town clerk or town office, none of us could mileage it, and it's under the select board section. Should be, we, we welcome the road crew to give mileage. Well, they don't have hardly any mileage, that would fall into the road section anyways. It seems like the road, the mileage piece should go under, I made a note in my version that we're gonna move this to town office. I mean, it doesn't really matter, it's not that big of a deal, but if we're moving one thing, we might as well move it. Right, we don't ever, we don't ever go for mileage, okay. And then we have, okay, go back up to select board budget. Yeah. One thing you guys said, well, are you seeing, you scroll down, did it whole way? Do I need it that way? Yeah, and put a note, can we move this too? I locked the town office, so you can scroll on it. Oh yeah, I was just wondering, I used to know how to do that. Excellent, thank you so much. Yeah, you're welcome. Okay, so I'm on line 20. Yeah, why didn't it? What you working on, Rick? Mileage? Yeah. So, okay, it's, so under CLG Fundraising, we had a question about asking Wendy whether we should have numbers in there. Do we have that? She's been out of reach for like the last, since the middle of the last week. Okay, I'm just gonna go on Zelo. I'm going to call her tomorrow because I got a couple of questions, other questions to ask her. Okay. How do you highlight, I mean, Rick, can I not do font change? How do you highlight what you do there? I was looking for the fit. You can. I'm looking for the fit. Just like that, change the face, highlight. Oh, just fill the color one. I got it, it's different than that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so Denise will, chat with Wendy, talked to Wendy. I'm making that note. Okay. And now, we got some proposal on wages, land, land records. I've got Jeremy's document here. He did not, he didn't give us, on land records, he said $580. Okay. I didn't see that. Where did that arrive? That was attached with his 1210 email. Oh, it was where he gave us it, where he gave us his other proposal. Okay. But that was the only one. So now, like that? Digitizing land records. Okay, so land records are going to put in $580. Right here? Yeah. I like that yellow, okay? Yeah. So that we know we changed it. Yeah, good. I mean, he's really gonna need to, hey, Rick, actually, can you not highlight things you changed? Only let's highlight, please let's only highlight things that are still questions. Because the fact that you put a number in there, is it changed? No, that's fine. Just hit, go back. Okay. He needs to give us figures for land record. That way, he needs to give us figures for land, digitizing, survey maps, and vault shelving. He needs to give us some numbers for those. I'm gonna highlight those yellow, okay? Yes. Okay. Are you gonna talk to him about that? Yeah. Because I'm probably gonna have to go into the office to meet with Wendy. Okay, so just put my initials by there. D.W. Check with Jeremy. Okay, Listers. Now, Listers gave us a budget. They asked for a capital budget. Okay, Listers suggested, okay. So, wait, no, that was planning commission. So, Lister wages, they put in 12,000. And again, Denise, where did this arrive? This is an email that they sent to us. To all of us? I thought so. Do you have the email right there with you? Yeah, I don't see everybody's name on it, but I thought so. I looked today and I couldn't find one. What's it called? Lister FY24 budget. And it came from Jan? Yeah. I don't think we got that, because I searched Lister here. I searched Lister, I looked at emails from Jan. And I think she came, didn't she come and talk with us about the Lister budget? Do you have a date on that email? December 9th. Okay, so she wanted 12, they, not just Jan. Right, so it was just for 12,000. Map resistance, 3,500. Education and training, zero. Oh, well, let me catch up. Tax, tax map revisions, what? 3,500. Okay, what's next? Lister education, zero. Do you want me to do that, Rick? I'm doing it right now, I'm in there. I'm typing away in line here. Software licenses? Go ahead. Well, I have to do, and John's got it up in the, you know, let's just swap. Software licenses? Software licenses, she has 1,500. Lister expenses, 1,000. Yeah, because she says, I'll be at the meeting on Saturday the 10th, I can't answer any questions. Should we be, you want me to put a note in there? No, no. I mean, and as we're putting these figures in, just so we're all on the same page, this is everybody's dream wish list. Right. And then when we see the bottom line and have a hard tack, then we'll go back. Which, yeah, we're going to have to talk at the end about when we do that. We may need, I'm going to put this out so you can meditate on it while we finish. We may need a mid-week meeting. I'm thinking maybe, could we meet on Friday? I don't want to meet on Friday. Well, it's a good thing that canceled my calling off to be for this Friday. I need plans for the weekend. While my daughter is on, I don't want to meet on Friday. You did? I would, well, we can talk later, well, when? Yeah, I'm thinking we may have to. Just let me know. No, I cannot meet on Friday. Tomorrow night, I've got another meeting for Maruzzi, Denise and I then. Wednesday or Thursday? Yeah, Wednesday. Wednesday or Thursday. We could continue this meeting. Right, that's a good point. That's an option. But can we move on? Yeah, so the next town treasurer section is the wages section. Yeah, audit, and we have numbers in audit already. Are those good numbers? As far as I know, they are. Okay, that's audit. That's line 49, 50, 51. Yeah, okay. What do we want now, women? Yeah, town. Are these good, the numbers in there? Yeah. 4,000 and 3,000? For the town report and town. The fact, those are not dummy numbers. We put them in. Anything that's in budget FY24 numbers, we put in there. Yeah, at another meeting. Do we have anything for the treasurer wages? No, not right now. No, do we not have? Okay, tax, do you want to go tax collector? That's fair, that's all set. Elections. That's another one to put when I go to the town office to meet with Wendy, I can ask. Well, it says ask Jeremy for numbers. So can you put that in? Do you put that in yellow? I get, I will. Do you get numbers from Jeremy? Yeah. Now see here, general office is where I think the copy or maintenance thing and mileage should go. We did add copying somewhere. Yeah, it's down below. It's line 75. Do you need to scroll down? And with 76, copier and copier maintenance. Oh, do we? Yeah, copier maintenance agreement. We have the numbers in there. Okay, so we've got questions to ask Jeremy. Okay, so that's. So are those the same numbers above? 1100, 450 and 645. Those are no, there's no numbers under copier maintenance or opposite. Yeah, there's a whole list that I'm seeing that you asked Jeremy. Yeah. Is Jeremy aware that we're, do you need to highlight it? No, he will be if you want to. I'm just gonna, Denise, I'm gonna highlight the general office, the whole chunk of it. Yeah, good. That's perfect. I got it, I got it, I got it. Okay, sorry. So I just highlighted the whole section. Not the whole section, the line. The header. Right, okay, is that enough? Yep. Okay, so yeah, that's a whole bunch of ask Jeremy. Fund appropriations, that's a big blank. I don't know what that is. I think we've said that before, we don't think I can see. Line 83. Is that for the conservation fund? No, conservation fund is under conservation. Okay. I don't know, can you, will somebody highlight it and put a ask Wendy? Building maintenance funds or sinking funds. I don't know what that is. What is this ask Wendy? Okay, great. Technology, I think we wanna put something up cause we're gonna use, oh, a wrong fund, I was thinking the town office reserve. We said, this is what we said, find out how much is in the reserve fund now, what does it cover? Yeah, so that's a technology reserve. That's an ask Wendy, how much is it there? Which one, the technology reserve? Yeah, 84. Lightning. Yeah, I'm good. I got it. Okay. And we're gonna be using some of what's in the town office reserve and I think the amount is, oh, no, maybe it's under computer. That's what we said, we were gonna use some of the money from one of those things to help pay for, we're gonna use some from ARPA and some from, for the COTS contract, do you remember that? Yes, but that's irrelevant as to budgeting because what we said, we already put a number in there, we put in 4,500 and we made the comment to remind ourselves, this is based on the budget principle of allocating 1% of the building's value each year to the town office reserve fund. Okay, so that's for the office itself. Right. Town office reserve fund, right. So that's done, but the digitizing, the COTS stuff you were just talking about goes back into that earlier section of digitizing records. To be clear, the town office reserve fund, the 1% has to do with town office building. Right, right. It's not reserved for IT or anything. Right, it should be building. The town office building. Major capital, basically, it's what it is here. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, and I don't know if... It's not a special... Right, no, it's for maintenance. Right, so I decided the word building. Okay, so under Payroll Taxes Benefits, can one of you guys highlight that? I want Wendy to fill in those numbers. I'm sure Wendy, perfect. Okay. DLCT dues, now where did I, I think we all got something from, I have DLCT 3,300 based on Rick's calculations. 3,300 for DLCT dues. Yeah, they're based on their letter that day. Oh, yeah, that was the one we got. Yeah, you had those with the numbers we... Right. I mean, they gave us, they told us how to... They usually do tell us so. Okay, zoning administrator, assistant zoning. So we did Constable Health Officer, Sheriff. Sheriff sent us an email, that document they sent us. What did Samuel Leno suggest? This is Constable Steipman and next to... Tammy came here and made an impassioned suggestion this is weeks ago, but we did get Constable Moore. Okay. Yep. And the actual FY23 was 3X. Well, that was a thousand counts. Right, but... Normally it's a thousand. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, yes, you know. Yeah, so hang on. No, the budget, no, we budgeted 23,000. Right, right, right, but it's... So we only bumped it 400 bucks. We bumped it 20%. 20 bucks. 20%? 20%? 20% is a lot of that. You got it. Animal control. Now, we have an animal control officer Steipman in there for $4,000. We must have been... We must have been hallucinating. Yeah, why? I would say we put in a thousand. It says 4,000. I know, that's what I said, why'd they say that? I think it needs to change to a thousand. It must have been an entire family. And then animal control expenses. That was based on our recent... Wasn't it $1,000 a quarter? That's what we were thinking. That's a lot. It must have been a different day than we did Constable because those two fell square. Animal control expenses, I think we put in... Hopefully we're not gonna have another year like we just had. Well, just to be clear, the court, if you folks have read the decision with regard to the horse confiscation. I think we all did actually. The court has said we are entitled to reimbursement of the stable fees and costs and veterinarian costs that were necessary to provide the horses good care. So John, do you think a thousand for animal control expenses? I'm wondering if we should have maybe a little bit of a... Like we do with the conservation, a little bit of a sinking fund. And when it gets up to some number, maybe a thousand this year, but ready to build and then to a maximum of five and that's what it said. Okay, but then we have... We don't know. It's a little latitude if we get into legalities. Yeah. We have to put something on the morning to create the fund. Right. So... I did not know that. So we did make a note that this current expenses are based on horse-stabling fees. 20,000 is prorated on the assumption the expenses continued, but we didn't put in 20,000. No, that's why I'm suggesting what do we wanna put in there? Even though we're gonna probably get a lot of those expenses back, hopefully. I think you're right, Denise. We had budgeted this year for the first time ever. So, and we're gonna be so... This is gonna be such a big increase in budget. Let's... We put an animal officer control stipend in. A little... And I just took that animal control expenses down to a thousand. And I'm gonna just put a line through that comment. Okay. Only to add making the comment that court decision allows us to collect reimbursement for our expenses. So you're changing that animal control expenses? 40? I did change it. I changed the number. All right, I see that. And now I'm just... I'm correcting the comment. It's like we had a different number before we had legalities. But I don't see your comment. That's what I'm saying. Oh, it's on line G. Okay, on G. It's just to be clear not to beat this one to death, but so everyone on the board understands, and folks listening understand that the court didn't create the pressing through closed cloth in terms of... Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't say what. The court, the superior court judge, judge Meadow did not create a new precedent out of a closed cloth. He simply read our established animal control ordinance. Yeah. And said that the ordinance that was legally arrived at, and it's proper under the statute, provides for our reimbursement of these types of expenses. Right. And that was clear in the ordinance. So he was just reiterating the authority we already had. Best of the best. You gave yourselves? Yeah. So the bottom line total didn't change. We should say 2,700, right? Or F-24 for animal control? Huh. It's not summing. It's doing something different. Can I just click in once and see what the... No, it's just entered. That number I can see is it was an entered number, and I don't know why it's not doing math. Well, can I just try something in there? Let's see if it might be. It will. Rick, are you able to enter the formula? I'm working on it. Okay. There it is. There it is. Thank you. Okay. PC. So this one, Planning Commission asked, they did ask for a reserve type thing. Do you have that email printed to this? Yeah, they wanted to have a reserve fund created, which is, it used to be warned. The purpose of the fund is to research things as hiring consultants to help with processes to look for and gather information, renewal updates to the town plan, and they're asking for $5,000 for that reserve fund. What is the sequencing of, if we warn a reserve fund, and it's approved this year, then can the budget that's approved include the first deposit to the reserve fund or does it have to wait a year? No, it should be because they're coincident, right? Well, we'll be putting on a worn-out item and asking for the creation of reserve funds starting with the $5,000 or $20,500, or whatever you put in. This goes here. So if it got voted down and the number just would not go into the budget, that's essential, isn't it? So does the amount of the reserve fund get warned as part of the overall budget? Or I would say yes, and then the separate question is whether to establish the reserve fund. Right. The creation of a reserve fund. Well, I made a note and they're asking just for $5,000, which overall is a reduction, so that's nice. Well, a reduction for what? $6,200. Planning commission, we budgeted $6,200 last year. Well, we had budgeted assistant PC, assistant wages at $5,000, right? Right. And education training, $200, spends us $1,000, so now they're not asking for an assistant, they're asking for the reserve fund, so it comes out the same. Right? Aren't they asking for $5,000 overall? They're asking for $5,700, because they want education and training $200 and PC expenses at $500. Oh, they still want those things. So they don't want the assistant, I don't understand. No, so they don't need it. Really? Well, and I guess, you know, I've never seen them advertised for it, but I mean, they didn't. So they want the $200, and I'll just put the $5,000 up there. Well, we want to change that to reserve fund. I mean, no, because we still have to decide whether we're going to warn that. Right. Can you highlight that PC assistant loan? Thank you. Okay, now, conservation commission, yeah, we did put in the eight. I don't have any, and that wasn't right, conservation, and we put in eight, is that my number? I don't think we got any communication from them, did we? I mean, for the fund? Yeah. I think we said eight, and then they wanted us to add, okay, so we put in two for evasive, that was just kind of our guess. I happened to be talking to Stephanie the other day. Julie Hand is checking with some company in Berry that is the brother of Cary Bradley, Cary Bradley? Mark Kostak-Rexner. Yep, just see how much they might charge us for an invasive species study, inventory. I guess we want to call it an inventory, right? You know, on this, on this, should we? And I'm serious, it's quite that great money for that. I know a question for you on this, and this is a invasive species, yes, side with emerald ash borer, and we are allocating money for mitigation on these things, but this is something. Yeah, it's something, that's something you wanted to do, right? Right, I just don't know, I need some of the others to be very expensive to go in. Remove those trees in the road. Yeah. I mean, we've got, this is where DPW, we want to be working on this, but we are on a bit of a time clock, in about six years, in the time they have passed, they've passed the tree until the time it becomes. Anyway, sorry, that's done. I don't know. Well, what are you proposing specifically? Is that a wonder highway or is that a wonder conservation? I don't know. We want to be thin. I think we're probably conservation, I would think, don't you? I would too. And then that's the question is, so is that really just bumping that invasive species up more? But I would, I guess the emerald ash borer is an invasive species, that's going to require, I think use that in some kind of, they might have to hire somebody to cut down. Well, that's where he's from. The billiard is actually, they've methodically going through kind of road by road and within the right of the way, taking out the ash. And then they're preserving like- And are they inoculating some? They're a handful, three, two or three, yeah. Paul Cape's been- How can they decide which ones to inoculate, just- They picked, like me and Paul did. Are they already impacted, that's why they cut him? Oh, yeah, yeah. He's probably not as impacted. Yeah, we've got, I'm sure we've got him here. We've got it, Paul's got it on his land, which is right next to Calis, and it's on a camera. So, so we want to take, it used to be 500 a shot. I remember that number from the training that we all did. So instead of 2,000, do we want to say, well, and also there's a cutting, do we want to even say 10,000? Do you have a number? Yeah, whatever we can put, I mean, it's expensive to have done, usually do a road at a time, that's logistically good. We just need a number though, Rick, that's what we're going to do. We don't have time to do the analysis of what it is. I would say put in 10 or 15,000 to start, then we'll figure it out. Really? I don't know. That's not cheap. I mean, yeah, these are free-cutting, yeah. You know, I mean this is a zany thing, but five years ago, there were a number of softwood trees that were hurting or dead, and they were leaning over the wooded section between my property and the gram farm. When I get so sick, every day I'd come down and be another hunk of tree, and I'd have to stop and go back at a chainsaw, or I wouldn't go around another way. So I went with my tractor bucket, and I just pushed the trees, I just threw and throw, pushed the trees, leaned them into the woods so that when they did fall apart, they fell that way. And I mean, short of cutting every single tree down, which is a lot of work in bucking them up. The trees are dead. I mean, we have bucket-loaded, we just push them. Well, the problem is with the amylash, in particular to this? Yeah. About two-thirds of the way up the tree, you get a weak spot, and they snap there. And this is common among all these in the plantations. So it makes it very, very dangerous. Well, so does it. So it's not bound in trees. Same with the spruce butt room, same with the difficult thing. Okay, so guys, this is really fascinating. Yeah. Thank you. And we haven't had it. But. No, I get it. I just want to, what we're gonna see. The spruce butt room's been here for six years. So I put in $15,000. Okay. And we have $8,000 for the plant. And I made a note that it's $13,000 with the idea that we might, we're cutting some asteries and inoculating some. Okay. I made a note to, do we want to just put something in there for recordings? Just put the same amount in for recording, minutes, education and training and green up. And then expenses. We budget, they don't seem to use it. I think we just put it zero. Yeah. Okay. All right. So then swim fund, I think we said we were just gonna put it in 1,500 because we don't know what's going on over there. Right. Which is what we budgeted last. Right. So we've budgeted for several years. Yeah. I don't think we just need to go over. I don't remember this year. Right. And then we have a bunch of town hall numbers that it looks like we already talked about because some of them are different than the year before. We didn't make any notes. So that suggests to me that we just were, well, that we were making guesses that they didn't come from. Yeah. I don't even know. All right. I don't think we can see, but I don't think it's gonna cost us 2,400 for janitorium. Donna's gonna be doing, she gets $200. A month. A month. Times 12. 2,400. So it costs us, right? It costs us 2,400. Okay. Here we go. There's the number. Where's the number? Okay. That was good. And then phone internet, we had a question that we think we only get one bill, but we can't tell. Oh, okay. Well, maybe we, can you highlight that? Yeah. And do you want to ask Wendy? What did David Healey say? There was an estimate that was sent around and what the fiber optic is gonna cost us. Yeah. We may go on our report as much toward that as the phone bill because we- It says monthly subscription start at $79 a month for 100 over 100 megabytes. Up to 2,200, 2,000, 2,000, whatever that means for 199 a month. I think the town office is the only location that could benefit from the higher speed subscription. So I don't know how we want the budget for this. What does that mean? I think he said that they're anticipating- That's his email. Connection Buddy is the first quarter. Yes. So if we figure three quarters of the year at that rate, what's the differential between that and what we're paying? So- Because we could do voiceover internet protocol and telephone service. Yeah, that's what he's got on there. So what he's, yeah, so he's saying, so the two numbers, Denise, means upload, download, 100, 100, upload, upload. And the other one is 2,000, 2,000, that seems like that's really fast. Well, but 100, upload and 100, download, none of us even know what that's like. Why do we need any more than that even at the town office? Big map files and stuff. Is it that much more, it's doubling more than doubling? It's more than double. It's $200 a month. So can we kind of come up with it in between? I don't know. I don't know what they, do they back up the servers every night? Oh, they do. It is- The architect does. Yeah, and there's a lot of- But it's up. They might back up only the differential though. They're not necessarily, because what changes in the town offices every day is kind of a minuscule. But fair point, it says up to, so there must be some middle range. So what if we budget $100 a month? So that's $1,200. What do we have here? We already have $1,500. I think we're just gonna leave it at $1,500. Okay, leave it the same. Okay. Just leave it at $1,500. And again, as we've always been informed, budgets are best guess projections. It is. I mean, and we have no idea- If we go shy or if we go over, that's- Well, sometimes we just have no idea- Hang on, gang. And we have the CVF Broadband Extension in line 151. Which that was money that- I don't think I ever got spent, John. Remember, we budgeted- You know what they kept saying? You never get your invoice in, you better go. Well, and because this was for the project that was up here. And remember, you suggested- That they never got it done. That they never got it done. I think David told us that they just ate that. But yeah, they did. Okay, so that's something different. So I'm- Yeah, I'm gonna hang on, I'm gonna refine our notes. Ask Wendy about combining with another line. Right, town hall, town hall. But- But office. Leave at 1500 because we discuss based on David H. Email. So in other words, I'm trying to make a note that we made a decision about this number. We're not asking Wendy about the number, we're asking Wendy about just combining it. Right. Okay. Town hall reserve fund. If we can, I think we should leave it at 10. That again is based on the one- 1%. Yeah, 1%. The value of the building. Right. The building's at 5.5 million. 1%. I think it's actually budgeted. I think it's valued at more than a million, but I think we kind of went for the million. Okay. To come up with that figure. Okay. Insurance, we don't have much to say over that. Hang on. I'm going to town hall building reserve fund. Yeah. And is that what we're doing in the last few stages? Insurance, I will highlight these. Ask Wendy's for you, Denise. Yes, please. We do this so if the curse pond dam bond gets passed and everything goes according to their best, their hope, the plan, I should say, to commence construction upon approval of the bond. This construction is about the coming construction season. Once that is completed, then we're going to need to add that to our, to just to ensure properties. Once it's completed and then the town takes ownership. That's correct. Won't that be in the next fiscal year? Not if they stay on John Wright. That's what I'm saying. It's going to be in this upcoming. Not even the following. Like they're going to finish by fall. Right? Are you looking at finishing in the fall? The guy who was, what was his name? Tucker, Mr. Tucker. Jeff Tucker. Jeff Tucker is going to be done by fall. And then there's going to be the, we take ownership. I don't know how much that might cost. Well, you know, it's, it's going to replace the value. It's recorded for a million dollars to replace it. So it's probably similar to what we're paying on this. Yeah. And 1% of. But there's a lot of greater liability. They're going to have to come up with a number for us. Okay. So CPA needs to, where's my thing? We're going to. The LCT needs to give us a number. So I'm going to ask Mark. Projected insurance costs to town. Right? Yeah. And it needs to cover both liability and maintenance or whatever damage we're going to call it. Only thing I'm adding a lie. Corresponding to her on the assumption the town takes ownership. Get on the boat, on the boat, right? No, not after a boat. After the work is done. Construction is. Oh, right. Yeah. So where did you, I put it under, under the liability. Okay. Perfect. And this is a VLCT. You probably want to take that. Put it in brands and just put it in the comments. Pass. Yeah. None of this is going. This is not what's going with them. Okay. Town office bond. That is what it is. Yeah. Yeah, those things, we don't really have a lot to say so. And the loan that we took off to pay off the debt, even if it's paid off, you have to leave three fiscal years in your budget. Even though it shows zero, you have to leave it three fiscal years. Where are you? Aren't we down on a long-term debt? Yeah, but I don't see any zeroes. Well, it's, yeah, if you look under reduce FY15, 16 deficit, it should have zero to FY24. And all the other numbers were, that's history. They are, they are. Okay. Wait, so why do we leave the amount of heritage so much? Well, you have to, you have to leave those, that line item in the three years after it's paid for. So you have the comparable for a nice long-term. Oh, I see. I see. So we have to leave it in there. We're not budgeting, we're just leaving. Right, you just have to leave it in there. The information. Right. Yeah. Okay. And the server loan should get started, eventually that should get wrapped into tech, which we have capital fund for now. Right. Tax abatement, we put a little bit in and that brings us up to, okay, so just for fun, without even having a lot of numbers still missing or way high. We're super high. Double. We are probably 10% without doing the math here. And that's with numbers still outstanding. We've got quite 10% but it's okay. It's okay. Hang on, let me get a real number. It would be 55,800, this, you know, and so. It was 10. It was 10, so, yeah, I mean. It's 6% over. So we're 6% over. But that's the, well, that's, which is not, which is, which is, that doesn't include salaries, which doesn't include a bunch of stuff. There's still a bunch of stuff left. So I think we just leave it like that now. Can you put in there right now that it's, the current figure is 6%? I'm going to be able to get this document, all right? You're going to be, this is on. Yeah, it's literally in the folder. You can open it. This is a shared document. So, so everybody just, I know everyone knows how to do this but I always have to figure it out again over and over every single time. So, how you do the percentages, how I do it is I divide the larger number by the smaller number. So I'm taking that 593, 405, and I'm dividing 558107 into it. And that tells me 1.06. So that's 6% over. So Denise, as we, so everybody knows we're all doing the math the same way. And we can all do it just, because that 6% is no good as soon as we add more numbers. Right. But actually, hang on. Well, what I will do when I get home, when I can move. You just put a formula. I'm going to put a formula in the box below. And so it'll change as the number changes. We heard anything on our healthcare plan in terms of is that going to stay steady? I think, I saw something that went easy. So I can't see that staying flat or relatively flat. No, she, I don't, I think. Craziness is the last. Maybe I didn't bring it, but she can, well that's why I want her to look at this and fill in the figures. I do think, I raised this question last time and we haven't said it, haven't said it, but we should be thinking about what we feel like we can tolerate. Because we're going to have to, we're going to have to come up with what we can tolerate and then we're going to have to go down to it. Well, I think it's more what the taxpayers Well, that's what I mean. Yeah, it's, we have to decide what we are willing to defend and protect our taxpayers. Right. I'm wondering what's going to happen. I just heard this house since my previous sold for 705,000. We heard that the house across the road from these kind of store sold from Jeremy sold for 500, right on rule 14. I'm wondering, so when the state education formula starts getting applied, are they going to like, have a windfall into the state fund? Are we going to see that come back? Are we going to see that come back? No, our common, our common, because we're not a parody. We're at 79% of the money. Yeah, yeah. It's going to, our tax base, well that's why you do a re-appraisal. I know, I know. To put everything back together. To re-appraisal last year it would already be out of date. Right, right. It's so crazy right now. Well, and this thing that we got, or something Jan said, it was 79, 89, 99. The listeners were hoping for 80. With reality music. We just, well with reality drop. Yeah, but, well. It's a state-wide phenomenon. I think we'll have to just have to look at this. People are being grammar. Well, and that's why everybody, that's why there's not enough appraisers to do all these re-appraisers. Right, right. It's, I mean ultimately, ultimately the point of the education fund is so that we're all sharing equitably in the cost of education. But what's really going to drive it is that everything, well, it's two things, right? We've been below, but not so far below that we had to adjust. So when we get caught up, if you will, then we're going to see a bump as we start picking up our fair share. But then the fair share of what? Of enormous expenses, because everything is going up so much. Well, and the value of the real estate has gone up faster than expenses as great as 10 or 11 percent. The rates will drop, but they shouldn't drop the rates. They still have to raise the money. They still have to raise the money. That's right, that's right. That's just the relativity. Well, I did ask Gian, I was talking to Gian, and I asked, I says it would, so what do we do right now? She says, well, nothing we can do until we re-appraisal. I mean, where we would really have to worry is if Calis was growing at a pace enormously different than other towns, but we're not. No. The legislature just redoubt during this period of disruption. They should just apply a number across all percentage to every town. So we're not spending all this time and effort on re-appraisal. This is nuts. Right, just give us all a factor. Just give us all a factor and done. And then, I mean, think of all the money they've spent on this. Yeah, all the money's spent on that, coming up with that number. Yeah, it's still smoking here. Anyway, this is, again, very fascinating. Appraisals are based on, are retrospective and not perspective, and they're wrong as soon as they do. So we know the guy, we know the guy to talk to. Right, can we do highway? Yeah, let's do highway. You got some numbers? I do not, really. Okay, how are we gonna get numbers so that we can finalize and bless a budget in one week? Well, I'm gonna meet with Wendy to do all the other stuff. Rick, can you come up with numbers? I don't know how we could do that. I don't know what we've found on our grant side. Well, wages, that's different. But if we're looking at this stuff, this stuff here, Wendy can fill in. And what I'm wanting to is the insurance and all that stuff. Education and training. So far this fiscal year, we haven't spent anything. Hang on, let me break this down. I'm gonna highlight FICA, VEEMERS, VEEMERS, VEEMERS, insurance, all that is yellow for Wendy and Denise, right? And then we're gonna talk about wages later. I think we do do an education and training because we've got some things that we'll want to meet doing. So let's just put in 500. Right, that's where we got the book. Uniforms, we're in FY 22, our actual is 55. So why don't we just put in 5,500 or 56? Why would we do that? Let's do 56. Okay, equipment hired. Actual that we've spent so far this year is... What's MRGP fees? Oh, this is Merrow, it's general permit. That's gonna stay the same, 1,500. Yeah. You got that right? It says 1,590. That's what it is. That's what it is, right? Oh, okay. Equipment hired. Yeah, this was to cover everything like hammered rails and things like that, or if we have to hire experts. So we're gonna need someone else? So that makes you hired the other day. Yeah, when they rented it. We really had to do that for the bridge, yeah. So we budgeted in FY 22, 20,000. We spent 270 FY 23, we're budgeted 10, and so far we've only spent under 1,000. Right, 2,500. I think 2,500 is good. Roadside no one, I don't even know why we have a figure there, because we do it all now. Yeah. So can that just be zeroed? Well, we thought about having a person, a summer help person hired, that's what that went to pay up. Because, right, but it was based on a representation by our then group of commissioners saying that they didn't have time. His folks are straight out doing other projects and we didn't want to see that. So we didn't want to see that. So the idea was to have that money available to hire. That's right. Someone. Well, we can keep that. I mean, right now we've got our that he does not have a CDL rights. Right. He can run the tractor and melt it. So we don't need to budget that. So we don't need to budget that. It's getting zero. Okay. Okay. Because he'll just get. Let's see which one. Um, right here. Right here. This one. Right. Yeah. So put in zero. Oh, you're doing that. Okay. It didn't show up. It is. It's blank. Oh wait. No, it says equipment. It might be maintenance. Line 202. And by the way. No, we're on 203. Oh, 203. What? That's miscellaneous. No. There was this roadside milling equipment. Equipment. We do have to do work on that tractor. We do have to do work on that. So probably five grants would work. Because we're going to get all the bushings changed. Oh. It says that half have been changed. All right. Miscellaneous. What is miscellaneous? Do we know? Miscellaneous is miscellaneous. We always seem to spend money. Right. Well, 5,000 miscellaneous seems high. But we spent 8,700 in FY 22 and only budgeted three. But we have, we don't know where that went. Well, okay. So let's do, maybe we should do like six or 6,500. You know what? Let's do nothing. Because we should find out what we need money for that we haven't budgeted. Yeah. That's a good idea. Right. Good. Yeah. Where did that go? And then lost. Stand and travel. Well, we've got, we have an X, yeah, we should be good. We've got an excess of sand and we've got, so we're buffered there. Gravel that we definitely want to hold that number. We may even want to, we might want to cover that up. I don't think budget wise are really willing to do that. Okay, then we won't. Is Bridges and Colbert's ready? Yeah. Seems like it. Pavement cracking seal, are we going to have to do anything on kind of an undershare? Yeah, we will. We definitely will. We did Blight and Ridge last year, right? You already got a number on time. Yeah, it's heavy 2000. Yeah, we want to, any cracks that we ever want, any preserved ones. Roses stones, the heavy stone you put in the ditches, right? Yeah, it's like. The rip wraps. Yeah. Well, it can be anything from inch and a half up, you know, so up to type one, type two. So we want to leave it at four? Yeah, same side. Road salt, we put in eight. We have some figures in here, so we must have done something. Yeah, that's what we did. We put it on the side. So the magic salt did not work? No. For all the bragging, what happened? I don't know. I'm not sure that they were applying that right or they were, I mean, I knew that they were. You know, the magic that treated salts, they definitely work, but I don't know. I'm not gonna, I think that they, I need to dig deeper into that and find out that we already have our salt for the year. So should we put anything in there for next year? Like 1500 maybe? No, let's get, you know what? Let's leave it for now. Because we're gonna be, we're gonna need, it's all right, just let's go with what we've got for right now. We've already got our salt orders in here, so. Okay, so nothing for magic salt? And we'll make it, once we get our DPW, we'll make decisions around this. I know, but the problem is, are we putting a figure in for magic salt or not? I know what you're saying. I think we should put the same number we did last year. 1000. Okay, 1000, that's fine. Is that right for chloride? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Road signs. Yeah, that's, that's good. Boy, I think we're 22, we went way over a bunch of it. We've been having a lot of. They stopped stealing the signs. We were having huge stuff thefts on this, and I don't know how to fix that. That's a question, is it? Because of an aesthetic reason. We have guardrails where the drop-off is two feet, three feet to a stream, and I get why. You come down Foster Hill. Or your road. My road. Or Singleton. Singleton. Or Singleton, but you come down Foster Hill, did the drop-off to number 10 across from that farmhouse that Peter Barkman rents out, just below that. It is scary. And I, on slippery days, I'm like, boy, I lost it. That thing, I mean, it would be like. According to, you know, and you look at Ashland standards, which are the robust standards, if it's a one, three-year steeper, you have to have guardrail. Well, that's a cliff. But if you had a four to quick guardrail over, you know, it could be 90% of the state, so I get it, it's a risk. I mean, that's not, I mean, I'm just wondering why over the years, it seems like that is probably the most, if the word is treacherous, sort of, the steepest embankment, longest and steepest embankment you have in town. And it's in the ghost, unguarded, and then we have, we put guardrails everywhere else, I don't understand it. Maybe it's because there were grants with the other projects, and that's why we got the guardrails. There's no grant. So are we wanting us to update Amel? No. Oh, those things are awesome. Line strengthen the seven guardrails. Okay, so we got quite a few of the numbers. And you had already gone through and said still have truck gone. We did that a couple weeks ago. Right, right, so we're doing that. So we don't need any of those here? What we needed was the numbers from Wendy, well, I mean, the actuals, right? So our actuals are up to date. Maybe for some of these things. Well, we didn't, but we had no budget in 23 for any of these. Right. Serious, right, there's nothing there. There's nothing there. We have a $20,000. We have expenses, we've got to have Wendy be. Yeah, but Rick, this is just maintenance. We had 41,000, we have 41,000 so far. Oh, maintenance, yeah, well, that's maintenance. Oh, and look at the year before me, we had 20,000 in maintenance. And we spent actuals so far for FY23 is 55. And we budgeted. Hang on, hang on, what are you looking at? I'm looking at line 237. Of the actual, but so go up to line 219. Yeah. Line 219, I just want to make sure that I'm clear about what I was saying and what we're all saying. So in actual FY22, the actual expense was less than 20,000, which goes to the point we've been making about a lot of missing and deferred maintenance. And now in a catch-up year, we're getting close to being over budget and we're only halfway through the year. So, well, yeah, the guys have been doing a lot of that. We should save us money by not sending it to a shop, but we make fine. It's very expensive. Yeah, so that goes to, okay, so we don't have a budget number in 219 and we should have one. So in FY22, we budgeted 55. We knocked it down to 45 because we always saw that it wasn't going to be used. Now what we know is it should have been getting used. Maybe we should go back up to 55 or even 60. Well, where are we at now? So, right, budget FY23, we budgeted 23. We budgeted 45,000. 45,000, but then. That's 40% of that's fuel gas, a lot of it. Fuel gas. So, yeah, I would say 50. Equipment, I would say at least 56. 60, what's the budget? 219, that's what I'm talking about. 60, yeah. 60,000. Yeah, because we're gonna, yeah, we got a lot of catching up. Well, in the rough seasons right now, we're starting to get busted. In my season. Yeah, we've had shoes already, so then we'll go ahead and fix it. And then fuel gas and oil, that 236 line, that's something different. And we put that one at 70. So now we're at 130 for this whole section, which I think is baked because everything else was actual purchasing costs. Right. Then we got the town garage, which I think we, can I just ask one more question now? On all of these vehicles that we still have, the 97 grader, the 97 John Deere grader in the Caterpillar. I assume that these are all paid for, which is why those budget lines are zero. Yeah, we bought them used. Yeah, those are paid for, so they're not on their equipment. Okay, so this is. We do have, yeah, we got the two new trucks coming, right? So one of them is being fit up now, so we have to have the cost. Mm-hmm. Think of that, one of them. And then we've got to have, we also have the one-time. So those two lines, that's line 233 and line 234, we have placeholders for three pieces of equipment. The 2023 Westard dump 10-wheeler, the 2022 Ford F600, and the dust control portable sprayer. So those three lines I'm going to highlight, because those are places that. Dust control portable sprayer, we're going to, okay. It says looking. Right, that was, yeah, okay. Do you have a number? I don't know, I don't know, so I'm gonna. Okay, so these are, we're going to check these out. Hang on though, Rick, let's, as a practical matter, I think we've had quotes on the Westard and the Ford, but the dust control portable sprayer and tank that we might buy or build, can we just come up with a number right now? Yeah, we can. What, I mean, what does that kind of thing cost? I would say, you know, we have the option of repairing the one we've got or, you know, putting a new pump on it. So, I would say, if we put in $8,000, we're probably good. I mean, like. Okay, there, it's done. Okay, come, come down garage. We did this already, we already did this. I think we should camera the garage. We've talked about it, actually, we're some assumptions. We need to get cameras off the build, on the building, toward the fuel tanks. C45, C45, C45. And we just have, you know, have the area camera. It's cheap enough. I'm just not going to expats it, but it's cheap enough. Well, we budgeted $4,000 to $5,000, but that should be enough, right? Where's that? Computer, we need to add. No, communications security line 246. Oh, we did, you're right. Yeah, we did, we did, we did, we put that in. Every day, we put in, I might be here for that, for the shop too, I think, right? That's what, okay. Yeah. The radio's engaging, that's going to be the wild card. Oh, that's going to be more, because we need to put, we need to look into getting all new equipment. We want to put a radio in the mower. We want to see about upgrading our, our truck radios, they're not, they can't, they can barely communicate with each other. They can't cross to have, it's in a radio, it should, it's just, like, well, it turns out, talking about the washing. Well, that's the question here. We don't, it's probably both. The question is, do we, you know, what we've, I've already talked to, Green Mountain Power, to talk to Washington Electric, and I've talked to Ysma Peeler. I want to actually bring everybody together to talk, so we can actually talk to each other. And, you know, because we, we had to pull out our company trucks during this last storm. And they're having to go through me, and I'm having to reach somebody in this. So what is the radio cost, and how many do we need? Well, this, I don't know yet, because we, we still, we're just in the start of this, so. So we have one base station, we have two bases, one in the garage, and one at the clerk, right? Can you research, do you have, are you, yeah, I signed, no, I didn't sign this in. Questions, whether we go digital or whether we go, here, you know, right now, everything's analog here, and then the digital apparently have much better, much better signal storage. Problem with digital is, you either got it, or you don't. We don't, you know, right now. With analog, you get it, and it's fuzzy, and Rick's fud coming in, fuzzy, and John's hearing fuzzy, but he's still hearing. It's either on or off the digital. That's a problem. Well, and it's a problem because, a lot of the people around us are using analog, that's why we actually want to talk to everybody, to kind of come up with a plan to work forward. Right, but the trouble is, when you put a figure in, Okay, let's do this, because we're not ready for this, let's plan this here, let's just, let's stick a number in there for our radio. Yeah. I would say we want two, two enough for two radios, let's, I'm gonna, yeah, that should be fine. Cause that way we're gonna have one, I mean, I want to make sure that, like I've got one or something, somewhere where I can, or whoever the DPW is, so we can actually talk to the guys, or we can have a call. Or if, and we've got one of the 10 o'clock's office, right? So, yeah, we'll leave one for the track. So, we need to have four base stations, or two, three base stations. Well, two, we've got two that, we want a DPW guys gonna need one. Yeah. Clerk's office, and the office is great. Yeah. Oh, you're talking about additional. Yeah, so. I'm just talking about our, for a long time, a tractor, a base station on, for the DPW person. Yeah, that's right. And I can take that. And the DPW person's gonna need one for their vehicle. And you know, there may be a way to get a grant for some of that, right? Possibly, the question is, we definitely want to put one on that tractor this year. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, yeah. Okay, I wrote that in as a swag. $5,000. Okay. Okay, and then the insurance piece. This is a, isn't this a Wendy? Yeah, I just can't see the rest of it. Well, we're not gonna get there. Yeah, that's a double check with Wendy question. I have to guess at this grant stuff. I think so. I mean, I'm not sure how we can. Well, I do. We had 55,000 budgeted in FY22. We had 40,000 budgeted last year. Well, no, wait a minute. We had for grants. For actual, in FY22, we're at 55. Okay, actual. And then we didn't, there's no budget numbers in here for FY23, but we've spent 40. We received 40. That's a good question, which is, which is it? Or is this money that comes out and then we get reimbursed if we have our act together? Yeah, this is, I think this is our, what we've paid, isn't it? This is our match, or something. I think it's our, those figures in FY22, I think are our. See, I thought we'd, we'd expense and then we get reimbursed. I thought you were talking too much. Yeah, that's true. Wendy sent us all this report. These are expenses, but we, how much is it that we get reimbursed? Anything? I don't know what to say. Sometimes she doesn't send highway. Town Hall, what is this? So we've anticipated revenues at bottom, very bottom. That grants, $316,000. Okay, so Wendy sent us this Town Cal's financial reports, November 2022. And that's how I found out how much, figured out how much we had in the Town Hall. Fund. Where are we at? General Highway Maintenance. What is this thing called? These are the, the grants. Highway maintenance, that's this. A lot of what, a lot of the grants that we receive at the highway are, are matches in kind. Now see this list here, we have Better Back Grants, Moscow Woods, and Loose Road, because these were from the previous fiscal year. Right. So. Loose Road's still going on that rank, that's the one that's doing that. We've got to get to easements. So, so what I would suggest is that we, we put a number in the, in the bottom. And well, we, if the actual in FY 22 was 55. And right now, as of November, what did I say, November of this year, this report, when he sent all of us shows that we've spent $40,448.31. Which is what's in here. Right. This one says 445. Yeah, 445.31, right. So, but that's only so far. And, and so I think the part that's a little unclear is whether this is our match or whether most of it's going to get reimbursed. And then it's, this report shows 100 actual budget, this shows 100% or if she says this, hold on a minute. What's happening, 100% of what? Wait. When we didn't budget anything. Yeah. It looks like in the past two years, we haven't budgeted anything under grants. There's nothing there for FY 22. And, but this is it. I think it's expenditures that are reimbursed is why not budgeting. Right. So, and we haven't budgeted in the past two years. So let's just not budget. All right. It's working, we get money. We can't, we can't know what grants are going to be available. Right, we don't know what we're gonna do. What we're going to be awarded. Right. We don't know. The question I've got is on this and is probably, you know, we've probably, we've got the Moscow Woods repair project that we've got to keep going. Right. And the estimate on that could be is, you know, 110,000, we've got an 80,000 dollar grant. So we would probably wanna have additional capital in there. So there's not match. That's not in time. That's not the amount. No, that's the grant. That's the grant amount. No, no, no, no. Well, we have to. Grants A. Right. Total cost. 20, right? Yeah, but is there in kind availability for that? Well, but you're, I think the cost of the actual replacement isn't going to be covered by, it's going to be over 100, I think it's going to be 110. And we're hiring that all out. It wouldn't be. Oh yeah, yeah, that's gotta be, yeah. Are you saying we should budget 110? We never know, then a form, but 30 or so. I would think to be safe, so because this is going to be a new line. You mean you think we're not going to get all the money we need through these grants? We have enough for you. We only got an $80,000 grant repair. So we, in the cost of that replacement, I mean not replacement, but that cost of that repair is going to be potentially. But what we have, is that a two year fiscal year project? No. All right. And this is only the temporary. It would be the temporary fix, then we got to do that. The main fix. Right. Well, temporary for 10 years. Right. We maybe have three, four years. We got to do this, yeah. That's a. All right. I put in 30,000 for a used house bridge repair. Good. And then now we have another capital expenses, which. Put in temporary repair on that. Okay, because this is not, definitely not. Yep, good idea, good idea. Now we have another capital expenses. Just want to say, we did a temporary fix on the bridge on Pekin Brook Road when Si was here. Yeah, that was like. Still there. They still haven't replaced the bridge. Yeah, it's still there. Yeah, that was a temporary fix. That was 15 years ago. Yeah. To this one. So what is the difference? What? So the Moscow Paving Grant is different than the East Cal's bridge repair. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was the. That's probably for the 80. Yeah. I think we're all going to get fading fast and we still have to talk about salary. At least, at least we get lead discussion. We got the numbers from Barbara, which came in like a word for or a PDF. So I can go through it. That's an easy task. I can go through and enter those for all the people, all the, the social services. Okay, so do we want to, but now we have capital expenses. So, so we have some, some vehicles that are, is this a redundant list to the one above? Well, the one above is expenses related to equipment repairs on those vehicles. A maintenance and now this is, this is like how much is in the process by the trucks. So those, those three lines that we had highlighted above really just belong down here. Well, wait a minute. You mean with, yeah, the new trucks? Yeah, these are loans. That's the, yeah, that's right. That's where they, they do belong. They belong down here. You just cut and paste them. Yep, if you guys want to hang on, I'll do that. So I'm going to leave the dust control portable sprayer above right? Yeah, that's fine. That can be, because that is an necessarily replacement. We may just fix, we may not have the option. We may not have the money to buy it. To buy it, we might have to fix it. Right. Okay, so where are we at? Hang on, I'm working. I'm like, it needs a drum roll. If you just copy the two whole lines, each line, note that one and then insert. I, that's what I did, but then I, er, I'm gonna just do it again. I thought that I'd, I need working at Excel and it isn't downloaded if it's working with Google Docs. I know. It's harder and yet it's nice because we're, You can see it. Yeah, it's just a pain. It's, you know, what's hard is getting two lines together, which is what I was trying to do. Every line, I'm just gonna do those at one level, one at a time. I did the old one, so we don't get confused. Okay. So you're gonna work on the social services? I'll put those in. That's the data entry from the Barling Amos. I'm just gonna go back to the one that I mentioned. I didn't bring this with me. I'm not going to talk about bottom line because I don't, we don't have a lot of numbers in this. Right. You can go ahead and check with the phone. That's all in the, you know, I, I did some good work back. This thing's like a place to choose how to share. I'm happy to have that. So I think that we should, we have to go into a business session to talk about personality increases or budgeting, and then we have to talk about when we're gonna meeting up, meeting up. Let's talk about that now so that it's on the record. That's what I'm thinking. So can we just continue this meeting to Thursday evening? Yeah. It's the day Thursday. Today's the second. It's the fifth, right? Yep. One, all right. Time is what we wanted to do. Is Thursday better than Wednesday for people? Wednesday. Yeah. I'd rather do Thursday. Is it better than three nights in a row? I can do either of both. Okay, so Thursday. I wonder. But we're gonna have. Is Thursday, if I do it by Thursday night, I'm gonna give me longer a period of time to try to catch up with Wendy. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. That's what time you think, T? We do it at six. Six, yes. One of the six we didn't want to do earlier. I have a client until five. That's the sixth. You want to do six. But let's not do it at six. Everybody got six? Yeah. And we don't need to do an agenda because it's continued. Bye, Wendy. Thanks, Wendy. It's very happy. Okay, so we're gonna continue. That's the fifth. I'll make sure that it's available on the calendar. If it's not, we'll have to meet at the town office. That's fine. Yeah. Okay, so we'll do that. And then we'll have to. Then we're gonna have to meet again on the ninth, which is our regular meeting. Ninth is a regular meeting, but I think we should assume that all we're doing is finalizing all this stuff. No, we said we'd do the curse on damn permit stuff on the ninth. Okay, that's fine. So I think if we do that, and then- Is that a big discussion? I don't think so. I put all the stuff in the folder. Yeah. So I think we might be able to do it as a consent. Yeah. Okay. All right, so we want to motion to go into executive session to discuss personnel issues under- Personnel budgeting. Personnel budgeting, which relates to the performance of personnel. It is under the appointment or employment 313A3. 313A3. That's a motion? It is. Second. Any discussion? What time is it? All in favor, you may say aye. A3? Aye. Aye. A3.