 You're going down a dark alley. Yes, I was about to say, is there to be built into Slack? That would be amazing. You know what? There probably is, frankly. But I meant do not disturb. You throw in an egg drop bot. Let me roll a 20-sided die. And yeah, that must exist in somebody Slack somewhere. Someone has done that. That's just team building. That's the corporate team building right there. You take out your staff. You have taken out Janice in accounting. Loot your body, question mark. Loot it. Yeah. She's in accounting, for good to say. I'm just reminded of the B-O-F-H and text adventures that should exist that don't. Reminds me of a home star runner. Oh yeah. I can't remember any of the lines, but that's one of my favorite episodes. I just want myself a Lappy 386. Still on bad is one of my lines. Yeah. A store button and a Lappy together at last. How are you squiggly squiggly looking? Hey, I found a show called Two More Eggs, which is by the Chapman. Two more eggs? Two more eggs? Oh, you know it. I do. I couldn't believe it. My kids found it and I was like, hey, I think this is the Chapman. It was playing in between episodes of Star Wars Rebels one day, which is how I discovered it. Two more eggs? Yeah, that's Chapman. That's great. Two more eggs? Two more eggs? All right, and with that, we begin our broadcast day. Here we go. Do you struggle to get everything you plan all done in one week? Do you sometimes wish you had an extra couple of hours or maybe another day? We here at The Daily Tech News Show think the same and with your help, we can add an extra day to your week. DailyTechNewsShow.com forward slash support with your help. Day six, coming soon. This is The Daily Tech News for Friday, January 8th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt. Joining me, Darren Kitchen is with us untouched, unsoldied by CES. But CES has been brought into your domain, hasn't it, Darren? It has. It has. I outsourced the CES by Patrick and Shannon going and bringing all the CES goodness back, which is being edited the next door down right now. I'm very excited to see Tech's thing. And thank Patrick again for joining us earlier in the week. That was awesome having him. Yeah, he found he prayed to the bandwidth Lord and they lost him. He made the proper sacrifices. You got Ethernet sacrifices. It's a whole ritual. And of course, with his first illustration of 2016, Len Peralta is joining us this Friday. How are you, sir? Good. I'm well. Happy New Year to everybody. It's good to be here on a Friday and it's good to be here for DTS year three. So it's really exciting. Yeah, this is the beginning of the third year. It's crazy. And they say like the third year is when the episodes really get good. Yeah. So apologies in advance. I think it's going to happen. This year is the year. Finally, finally, this is it. All right, let's take a look at some headlines. Lenovo says it's going to release a consumer smartphone using Google's Project Tango. That's the depth sensing technology. It should come out this summer for less than $500. They didn't put a specific price on it though. If you don't know Project Tango involves some vertically stacked lenses. Those give you color and depth information and then a wide angle fisheye lens that adds a kind of a peripheral vision. Project Tango creates a 3D representation of the space you're in, which can then be used for things like augmented reality. They show off like designing your home by putting virtual furniture around so you can see if it would actually fit or mapping is another thing that it could be used for. The phone will have a Snapdragon processor, a screen between six and six and a half inches, six months from launch and they still don't know that's a little troubling and it'll come pre-installed with selected apps that developers can start pitching now. If you want to pitch one, go find out how on Google by February 15th. Yeah, this is really exciting. I feel like every time there's a new sensor, there's a few very specialized use cases that are pitched to us and then it's once they actually become available to developers and then they combine with other sensors they get truly amazing things. And so I guess I'm just saying I'm really looking forward to the kind of the trickle down effect of all of this new technology much of which just being spearheaded by self-driving cars too. So that's really neat. Well, yeah, I made a crack on Twitter the other day because there were so many people pitching 360-degree video even in cameras that only have one camera, they're like, oh, you just buy two and then you can get 360-degree video. I was like, someone by the end of this year will be promoting their phone as able to do 360-degree video because you got two cameras usually, a front and back camera. And a few people are like, well, you could actually need fisheye lenses. Here's one that's got one fisheye lens on it. So I also think Project Tango has been a little bit like you say underdeveloped because they've had the developer tablet but people really haven't wanted to develop for it because there wasn't a consumer product. So this is the kick in the pants it needs. Well, that's just the Google Glass effect. I feel like where it's like really cool technology, new way to implement things that we already had in a different way. But this is bringing new sensors or at least sensors that weren't generally available to the public in this fashion. So that's what's exciting. Lenovo also ditching a vestige of Google, the Motorola brand name. Don't forget Lenovo bought Motorola mobility from Google in 2014. They will continue to use the Moto brand name. That'll stick around for high-end phones. But all their budget devices, whether they were previously a Motorola type or not, will be using Lenovo's Vibe brand. The high-end Moto phones will feature the blue Lenovo logo on them. They are keeping the Batwing M, though, for the Moto phones. You know, this is the kind of move that makes me think that big established companies with their, you know, strong brands and their long legacies think Motorola and their Star-Tac phones and such. Do they look at Silicon Valley startups as the, you know, the new popular kid in town while at the same time the new popular kid in town looking at it completely opposite? Yeah. Well, I guess the idea was that people like the Moto X, but people generally don't think of Motorola as making modern phones. So just drop the name. I mean, it's all a market. But other big companies don't have problems with this. Like, look at Westinghouse. I mean, you go back to like the 1800s with that stuff. I'm trying to think of a good counter example because I know there are some. Yeah, Sony changed its name, but I can't remember what its original name was. The Whole Earth Tabulating Company, for instance, they ended up having to change their name to the International Business Machines. Damn, I was actually about to use IBM as my example. Wow, you beat me. Wow. That's a deep cut. I know that took some, I'm out of breath now. Verge reports Microsoft has published a cellular data app to the Windows Store that at least describes the ability to let Windows 10 devices connect to mobile network operators using a Microsoft account without a contract. The app's listing says it requires a Microsoft SIM card, although no one knows that such a thing exists. Plans can be found by or will be able to, one would assume someday, be found by selecting cellular data from the Wi-Fi icon and then purchasing it using your Windows Store login, so your Microsoft account. Sounds like a prepaid system, whether it would be an MVNO or whether it's more like Apple's SIM card or it just allows you to choose between different carriers, I don't know. I do like the concept of it letting you choose between carriers and kind of just making carriers become what they are, which is, you know, the copper wire or in this case, the carrier of your data. Oh, they just carry the packets. Oh, is that why you're named carriers? But at the same time, I see this and I'm like, oh, that's really cool. I can't wait to get my Linux SIM card that does the same thing. Oh, wait, oh, you're telling me that I'm gonna have to comply with all of these esoteric and outdated wiretapping laws? Yeah, I don't think so. I have a weird sneaking suspicion that of all of the OS vendors, only Microsoft and Apple would be able to do this. Could Mark Shuttleworth do something like this or no? No, there have been other like, kind of like hacker un-carriers attempted in the past that have been shut down before they ever started because they wanted to do cool things with crypto that when it comes to telecommunications just will not pass. So it's cool, but I want to see some security research done on this. You know, I mean, obviously it's tied to your Microsoft account. Like it's anyway, I still say if you want prepaid data, walk into a T-Mobile with some cash and write your name down on the Post-it note like they ask you to. It's not news that my wife works at YouTube, but it is news that YouTube Chief Business Officer Robert Kinsell announced that YouTube will soon support HDR video. That's the high contrast, high color 4K video that everyone says actually makes a difference when you look at it. And so following the trend of the digital properties bringing you the higher resolutions first, YouTube's on board, Netflix and Amazon also already have some high definition HDR content. YouTube and GoPro also announced a partnership to bring more 360 degree content to YouTube. They have a lot of that already, but GoPro plans to launch a more casual spherical capture camera soon. So I would assume that means one that costs less than a thousand dollars. I would hope so. I'm actually really excited about this kind of stuff just because I want to stick something 30 grams or less on a quadcopter and experience that kind of, you know, like fly at once fixed and then get to experience it again where you can look all around. And I've done that in experimenting with some Facebook friends and such and it's really cool when you do what has had previously been available pre-CES, 360 camera wise, really expensive, really heavy, really low quality. But the pixel density stuff or not the color depth stuff, that's what's really cool. I feel like, you know, we've seen this before and it's the continual trend. You know, once you do VGA 640 by 480, get your 8-bit pixels. The next obvious thing is to go 640, 480 with SVGA. You need some high color for that. Go 15-bit pixel. At a certain point, you go XGA. Get yourself some 1024 by 768. At that point, you need 16-bit colors. I mean, it continues on and on. QSXGA, 24-bit color. I mean, this is what we see. It's like more resolution than more bits. I think HDR is more likely to sell some TVs because it looks better. Well, that's the thing. It's got the marketing name. It doesn't sound like XSGA with high color or true color. Like what? Yeah. But there are a couple of 8K TVs that are now available. There are hundreds of thousands of dollars. They're ridiculous. They're like 93 inches too. But I think LG finally announced that they'll be shipping one this summer to the four people who can afford it. But I do think that I might try to hold out for 8K. I'll see if I can because as good as HDR looks and it is significantly different, 8K allows you to do cool things. The 4K kind of allows you to do, but when you got that many pixels, you can do all kinds of digital zooms that don't look like digital zooms. Things just look like a photograph on paper. And I feel like that's when, like HDR will make a better looking picture and that'll be awesome. But I feel like with 8K, we might start to get functionally different video as well. So do you feel like perhaps it would be an easy analogy to sum up by saying that you feel that 4K currently is the 720 of HD? Yeah. Yeah, kind of. I think that's, yeah. That's a fair way to put it. The 4K is the full HD. And then HDR would be the 1080i. Yeah, OK. No, no, don't even invoke interlacing. I don't like the word. Oops, sorry. I forgot this was a family show. Non-profit news organization ProPublica launched a version of its website as a hidden service on the Tor Network Wednesday. ProPublica says it wants to offer the best possible privacy protections to people who read its articles, hosting the site this way makes it less likely somebody could tell that you read the article at ProPublica, for example, through a malicious exit node that would log the visit to the normal ProPublica site even if it was SSL. So we'll talk more about this in a little bit, but not the first, you know, Facebook has a hidden service on Tor as well, but a significant step and it gives us a chance to kind of talk about the dark web and what it actually means. Captain Kipper wanted us to mention that US Marshals shut down the CES booth of Chongzhu First International Trade Company Thursday over a patent dispute with US-based Future Motion over a self-balancing skateboard, aka hoverboard. Both companies sell a one-wheeled version of the boards. Future Motion launched its version at CES in 2014. They had a successful Kickstarter after that and then on Tuesday, they filed a motion in federal court after a seven-minute telephone hearing yesterday. US District Judge Miranda Dew issued the order to seize products and stop sales by Chongzhu First International. Chongzhu can present a defense in a hearing scheduled in Las Vegas, January 14th. Tom, I don't know all the details of this story, but in my imagination, the US Marshals actually stormed the booth on hoverboards and then proceeded to dismantle their booth to much fanfare. It was quite a spectacle, in fact. Yeah, I intentionally don't call these raids anymore because it's exactly what it sounds like. When you read the headlines, like, US Marshals raid booth at CES. It's like, you imagine them going in guns drawn on hoverboards. On hoverboards. Yeah, and coming in by drone. Right, as all future police will. Yeah, and it's not what happened. A couple of US Marshals quietly walked up, showed them the paperwork, said, I'm sorry, we have a court order to shut you down. We're going to be seizing your property here as evidence. Here's your hearing on January 14th. And, you know, it definitely stopped some traffic because people with US Marshals jackets were doing it. But I don't think it was, you know, guns a blazin' or anything, and the most significant part of this story is that they were able to get the judge to do it so quickly. And they say because it was CES and CES is so huge, that's how they were able to convince the judge to make it an emergency order. Yeah, yeah, no, they had a seven minute hearing. That's like six minutes more than the FISA court does. Well, it's a Las Vegas judge. They're like, it's at CES. Oh, I know how big that crap is. It shuts down my city. Yeah, you're getting an emergency order. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or my city is dependent on this thing. Yes, exactly. Nine to five max Mark Gurman has sources that say Apple is prototyping a set of Bluetooth headphones to be sold separately, but launched at the same time as the next iPhone. The earbuds are separate from each other too. No connecting wire, but will support a noise canceling microphone system somehow. At least that's what the sources say. These same sources also say that yes, the next iPhone will not have a standard headphone jack. They you can currently use Bluetooth or the lightning port for your audio listening. And I guess that's what you would be stuck with in the next iPhone. If this turns out to be true separately. Teaglass 1976 pointed out Mac rumors notes that Apple registered the domain names Apple dot car Apple dot cars and Apple dot auto in December. Yeah, you know, this is so cool. This is about time. I feel like, you know, you saw the 2000 era Bluetooth bling and I felt like we were nearing the end of that and it had the inherent problem that you could only see the techno bling on like one side of a user's head but with wireless stereo headphones from Apple. I mean problem solved, right? Yeah, I I'll never lose one of those, right? I'll never be in a situation where I forgot to charge them in their separate charge carrying case and and wish that I had a dumb pair of headphones that I could just plug right in. Well, there will be a cottage market of adapters. And I see exactly certainly never was frustrated by the fact that I had to constantly carry an adapter for the very first generation of the iPhone which didn't have a standard headphone jack. So yeah, I'm looking forward to that future. Yeah, exactly where I was going in. I wonder if this is like Apple just like has a thing with all the has some sort of tie-in with all of the accessory makers like, oh, no, no, no, we're going to put a flaw in. So you're going to need a rubber case around it. Yeah, I mean, yes. Why not? Sure, it fits the profile. Yeah, they're like, well, you know, the margin on the really expensive iPhone is but rubber cases, whoa, 10 cents off the assembly line. Yeah, and 10 cents off the assembly line as I'm sure you well know, can save you a lot of money over the course of a huge production run. Dr. Zephyr 89 wanted us to mention the court's report that doctors from Nicholas Children's Hospital in Miami used Google Cardboard and an iPhone to view 2D MRI scans that had been converted to a 3D model in preparation for surgery to rebuild the aorta of a four-month-old baby girl when they only had the 2D scans. They weren't confident enough to say that it was operable, but once they were able to model it 3D, they were able to plan out their surgery to a level they said, yes, we can do this. And it was a successful surgery. Was this not also a Disney movie in the... Oh, it will be. Yeah, brought to you. It'll be a Pixar movie, obviously. Yeah. That's fantastic. I feel like Cardboard is not cool enough of a name for this in that case. Well, yeah, and you can overdo the Cardboard aspect of this, but what's awesome is that these doctors said, well, wait a minute, can't we use this stuff? We've got this stuff. We don't care if it came from a big expensive medical equipment place. As long as it works, as long as we're confident that we're getting the right data and they went ahead and tried it and saved a baby's life because of it. Well, we're going to need to pass more HIPAA compliance laws that prevent doctors from using readily accessible technology off the shelf. Are these doctors fitting the definition of hacker? Is hacking the body not being a doctor? I mean, they're using technology in a way that was not presented to them to use it that way, necessarily, and saying, oh, we could use it this way. Yeah. Well, you see, Tom, they're not actually members of the MIT Model Railroad Club, technically. They're not hackers. Wait, did these doctors invent Bitcoin? Is that what you're saying? What I'm saying is Satoshi Nakamoto is on General Hospital right now, and you should go watch it. We diverted quickly. ARS Tactical Reports General Motors has launched a vulnerability submission program for security researchers in partnership with Hacker One. Guidelines include not endangering customers. That's a good one. Not violating privacy or breaking the law. Researchers are also asked not to disclose the flaw until GM fixes it. That can be problematic in certain cases, of course. Security vulnerabilities can be reported at hacker1.com slash GM, and also GM not yet offering a bug bounty. I really hope this goes better than the United Airlines vulnerability program where they're like, oh, yeah, hack us. And give us your bug reports. Don't touch anything. Yeah. This one seems like, I mean, they're using Hacker One, which I don't know what the reputation of that is, but they administer many security reporting systems for people, so that seems like a good idea for GM to not try to roll their own. I think that's a positive step. And just the fact that they're willing to do it at all rather than just try to sue anybody that exposes vulnerability is great. I think they should do a bug bounty. I think they should make some provisions for reverse engineering that would otherwise be illegal into the DMCA, although those rules are changing with the Library of Congress exemption, so maybe they don't have to bother with that. But it's a good thing to see a major car company at least taking this one step, don't you think? Yeah, absolutely. And it wouldn't hurt. I don't feel like a bug bounty is, honestly, I really don't think bug bounty is necessary. I mean, hackers that security researchers I should use the word that do this don't do it because they think they might get a free car or something. It's just inherent in being a hacker. So, but no, it's a move in the right direction and cars are a lot more accessible than 737s. And GM has, and several companies have become, it seems like a little bit faster than they were back when it would take them five years to fix a security vulnerability. So it feels like maybe they're finally taking this seriously and I hope that's true. I hope this is a trend that continues throughout the year. Bloomberg reports Yahoo is reassessing whether it should split itself into two companies as previously planned or just sell the company outright. There's a little bit of activist shareholder brinksmanship involved in this consideration is ongoing and no financial institute has been hired to manage a potential sale. So this is all just Bloomberg saying we hear they're doing this, but the saga of what Yahoo will do by the end of the year continues. May she find her way Yahoo into that great web? I guess Verizon wants to buy them. So they could merge them with AOL. Oh, they'll buy it. They might finally be Yahoo L. Yeah, go buy Spectrum and that's not even real. And the state of New York approved Time Warner Cable and Charter's merger, which they still need Department of Justice and FCC approval for, but another step there. So we're going to have all kinds of new companies by the end of 2016 folks, wait and see. That's a look at the headlines. Don't forget, submit some stories at our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com, helps us figure out what to talk about each and every day. We appreciate everybody in there and especially appreciation to our moderators in there. They are the folks who make this such a nice place to go and submit a story. And it's easy for me to look at it and say, oh, okay, those are things are getting some votes. That's who submitted it. It's awesome. So I want to make sure I don't forget anybody. Scotty Rowland, Seb Gons, T.G. Steller, all the mods and kind doing God's work, keeping the spam at bay as he calls himself the janitor. So thank you all of you for making dailytechnewshow.reddit.com, a nice place to submit a story idea. ProPublica, hidden service on tour. As I mentioned, SSL will encrypt data. So you could say, well, why does ProPublica need to do this? You know, you can securely connect to their site. But Darren, if I have this right, you can still be vulnerable at the exit node at the point where you leave the tour browser and connect to the site server, even in SSL. So if you're a hidden service within tour, you're much more well protected. Is that right? No, absolutely, because it's those exit nodes that I mean, I'm just, this is straight tinfoil hat, but I'd assume considering how easy it is to create an exit node and how valuable the data that you can gather is that many exit nodes might be run by nation-stated actors and other such actors that may not be, have your best interest in mind. That's no reason not to use the tour service because the tour service is so much more than just being able to browse the plaintext web. What are we going to call the light web? I don't like calling it a light web because there's some people call it the clear web because it's in clear text. Oh, I like that. But I guess it's not always if it's SSL. It really depends on how many midichlorians you have. But here's the thing real quick. I want to point out to people that the reason ProPublica is doing this is they, the idea was given to them when they were doing an article about Chinese online censorship and they said, we'll shoot. If even if you're in China and you're using tour, that exit node might reveal who you are and then the state might say, well, hold on these people are reading this censorship article and they're not supposed to because it's not supposed to come through the firewall. And so as the developer for ProPublica, Mike Tegas said, we don't want anyone to know that you came to us or what you read there. And that's one thing that the dark web is for. It is, I'm not going to lie, it's mostly used for illegal things right now but that doesn't mean that that's what it should be used for or that it's valueless to you. The internet, the clear web is also used for lots of illegal things as well but over time more and more people are using it for legitimate things so we don't think of it that way as much. Right, I mean on the clear web right now, we have cool things like HTTPS that protect our traffic to a certain degree, like I'm using HTTPS on Google right now and it's protecting my session cookie and my account and things of that nature but I still went to the URL, I wonder what was on that page, it's kind of obvious. The difference here in the hidden services of the dark web is that we don't know that you even went to the website. Not that the website was encrypted when you got there but the concept that there's no ability to tie a user to a server because of the way that the infrastructure is being built in the dark web is actually really cool the way it works because the endpoints don't even know the server and so the hidden service is truly hidden. It's actually really cool. There's three hops between the server and you and the intermediaries so it takes what seven hops to get to it and the service is pretty cool. Yeah, the Torproject.org has a great description of how it works if you're into that sort of thing. If you understand how public keys and private keys work, you should easily be able to understand it. We'll throw a link to that in the show notes. But like I said and I can't emphasize this enough there's a lot of crime that is happening because of the dark web but that doesn't mean the dark web is for crime. Facebook has a hidden Tor service. Now, everything you do on that service is known by Facebook so you could argue whether that's worth anything or not but definitely no one knows that you're going to find a hidden Tor service in the dark web and no one knows that you're going to Facebook other than Facebook at that point which can be valuable in places where Facebook may be banned. There's deep.web has been around for a while doing dark web news. There's deep web radio and actually deep web radio is a great example of what a URL looks like if you're not understanding this the easy way to do it is to download the Tor browser and then find a wiki of links to these hidden services. Now the hidden services aren't going to be like links you would see on the clear web they're not going to say propublica.com they're going to say 76QGH5376 because they're encrypted and then maybe a slash for a sub directory so I included a link it won't work in your regular browser but if you have the Tor browser you can try it out and it doesn't go to anything illegal as far as I know if it goes to anything illegal it would be a copyright violation it's deep banjo radio and so when you think of the dark web as being this place full of crime and porn and dark stuff I suggest you try it out starting with deep banjo radio because then it will be full of wholesome lovely banjo music Now that's good stuff. Wikipedia actually has a list of hidden services they kind of rank them as of 2015 they say that the majority of it in order goes from drugs to markets to fraud bitcoin, mail, wiki, whistleblower, counterfeit forms anonymity, hacking stuff like that but at the same time you do have the facebook on there of course and the reason that those URLs are really weird like facebook is facebook.org is because it has to be 16 characters for the crypto but that now is standing the difference here though is like sure it's cool that facebook does that and it's like hey we're on the dark web now and they get points for whatever points are assigned there but at the end of the day facebook also knows who you are when you log in I want to see more services adopting this sort of stuff we see mainstream search engines like duck duck go but we don't see mainstream search engines like google and I think having on google on the dark web I hate saying that word would be kind of awesome I mean it's a little bit bulky but you can just say a tour hidden service would be fantastic and tour isn't the only quote unquote dark web area there's I2P and several other services that do in a similar fashion and that's the thing it's a little bit wild west if you want to recapture the spirit of the 90s here go try out some of these services because like Darren said there's not just one tour is the most popular one probably or maybe the one most people are aware of even if it's not the most popular and also you have to be as careful as you should be on the web every day you should be extra careful about what sites you visit and what you do there not because you're going to get caught that's private and anonymous but you could be giving money to someone or you know end up getting scammed possibly but that's true of the regular web as well right yeah definitely and if you're like yes going back to the obviously tour is the most popular in that I would say given in September I can assign a dot onion as a protected special use domain we're seeing more sites getting on a dot onion not just Facebook ProPublica is joining the ranks of the intercept well actually the intercept just has a secure drop they don't actually have like the magazine a lot of publications do that New Yorker Guardian they all have secure drops for whistleblowers who don't want to get caught right but you know that I think what's really beautiful here is acknowledging the fact that it's nobody's business what site I went to right I would love to see this really take off in a more mainstream way I mean I think Facebook is about as mainstream as you can get in this day and age and they're you know built on an entire advertising model and yet they were still able to do this now obviously they already know who you are when you log in and they don't lose anything by using it for them it's just a different network right it doesn't actually change anything it's a kind of an underlaying infrastructure issue and so it doesn't change their business model any but if that's the case then I would love to see more mainstream services adopt this and then down the road what I would love to see is these kind of concepts like tour hidden services and these kinds of security means that we use to protect things like our passwords you know we be crypt passwords now instead of doing them in you know md5 which is easily crackable I would like to see that same sort of attention actually put on the message right not just the the medium and you know it's not inconceivable to imagine a social network whereby the actual platform can't see the messages of those participants and no other no other eavesdropper would even know that you participated in a social network and that's not like spooky that's actually really cool that should just become the norm well you know in a world where everyone's talking about back doors and we are legitimately trying to figure out how to deal with recruitment into terrorist organizations online this could sound crazy like why would you want to give people more ability to hide but again I hold to the idea that the bad folks are going to find the ability to hide because it's math you can't outlaw math and if they have the ability to hide there's no reason to prevent the rest of us from having that same ability to decide who we share our information with but it is it is I mean how much of can you do in that situation to combat that sort of thing it becomes a huge social problem political problem as well so if you disagree you may say well I don't think the tour browser should happen in which case you're just going to relegate it to people who can figure out how to roll these services the other side of it though is if you are worried about being spied upon by your own government and you may think I'm talking about the US you may think I'm talking about China I'm talking about both I'm talking about all the governments or corporations who want to follow you around with cookies and find out all these things about you maybe they don't even think it's for a nefarious reason but it could turn into one later if you want to comfortably be able to say look I want to watch the things that I want to watch without anyone knowing that I watched them then this service is important yeah absolutely and I feel like we're in an era where companies are trying to regain trust especially American companies in a post-node era they need to regain trust from consumers and a lot has been done in just the last year to do that and it's spurred up an entire second-generation crypto debate and so this is the sort of thing where we have the technology we should just embrace it more yeah and no matter what side of that argument you come on and I know many of you come on the other side from me knowing about this stuff is a good thing you want to investigate this to find out how it works even if you want to combat the people who use it because it's just better to educate yourself and know like okay what really does go on there and that's one of the reasons I want to point out like hey there's Facebook now there's ProPublica and there's DuckDuckGo and there's Banjo Music it's not all nefarious stuff it's not all meant to cause harm a lot of it is just meant for people to have a breathing space away from the Panopticon that has become the modern internet with cookies and surveillance etc yeah hopefully we see in 2016 a like a land grab for dot onion domains well unfortunately it is kind of weird that they have to be 16 characters but does Google Google Google dot onion exist they need to think about getting in on this that would be amazing at least reserving before it's gone I can't say that's protected so this is here to stay I feel like that's really cool and Mr. Green in the chat room said sometimes people call it the deep web deep web is a more all encompassing term it's an older term I remember we did deep web which is things that aren't generally indexed by search engines so databases, service systems count there as well and those things things that are stored in a database are not necessarily the dark web they're the deep web so it's a subset I don't know if that helps like deep web is like page 20 of your Google search result whereas dark web isn't on the search result well actually I don't even think page 20 of Google search counts it's a database of travel information and not all of it gets returned by travel velocity but what's in that database is the deep web because it's there and theoretically you could get to it but it's not going to come up in a Google search I think maybe the quote unquote dark web may have a better chance of success at least commercially and with consumer adoption if perhaps especially soon after seeing Star Wars for the second time we don't call it the dark web should we call it the light web because it brings a light of privacy seems like double speak deep web is a better sounding term though even if it's not entirely accurate I don't know it's the private web the not naked web yeah the clothes put some clothes on well it's kind of not bad either well it depends on which onions that you go to yeah that's true but that's no different than the rest of the internet I guess that's my point is like this is just a way to securely host sites it gets rid of all kinds of vulnerabilities and risks and things beyond just surveillance and this isn't the end of the story either I mean this is like HTTPS in the 90s and we're going to be having this discussion again in another decade or so when there's something that has to be even more secure than what we have right now do you think there's a chance that the dark web ends up becoming the mainstream web at some point I mean that like brings up the question about like internet too or there's a new protocol that's going to replace like the web and really what we've seen is like slowly but surely tiny little bits of HTTP be augmented with additional technologies for some reason I can't think of any of the acronyms off the top of my head but I know that like speedy for example is one so I think it's a slow progress and I think that the web is changing without us noticing it under our feet but this is more of a very noticeable change but in the technology sense but then again once you start using it okay so this is died onion instead of dot org cool whatever exactly go download the tour browser get the banjo link out of our show notes and enjoy and then you'll see like oh this just works like the web our pick of the day comes from somebody didn't put their name in the right place and then I didn't copy it Scott Johnson drew a comparison between the community which may form around the gamification in the Chevy Bolt to users of the Apple 2 who liked to get together in the 70s and 80s to share their experiences I have a pick for anyone who wants to get together with the diehards who still love their Apple 2 the 28th annual Kansas Fest will be held in July 2016 July 2016 it takes place in a university dorm giving it a summer camp for geeks feel sessions are presented by fellow attendees and feature the cool projects different people are working on lots of hardware and software hacking goes on late into the night although it's Apple 2 focused there has been an Atari and a Tandy Coco contingent in the last couple years more than 70 people attended in 2015 which makes the group small enough to feel comfortable without being overwhelming so if you grew up with the classic 8 bit computers and you have nostalgia for 6502 assembly you should visit KansasFest.org and join us this summer says our picker awesome can I throw in one quick pick since we're on the subject of tour yeah you do that oh it's a I think it's Jeremy thank you co-executive producer from Frosty Ottawa thank you Jeremy awesome Jeremy you know maybe Jeremy would also like to use tour2web.org that's the number two and basically all you have to do is add a dot to the end of onion and you can get there without having to install the tour browser I mean you still install the tour browser but if you want to get to those banjos quicker just put a dot to at the end can you write that online 36 in the show notes for people that's awesome just a dot to hey send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech new show dot com you can find more picks at daily tech new show dot com slash picks we talked about the idea of message apps replacing the phone number yesterday and a very own Patrick Beja sent in the following comment hey Tom Patrick here I was walking around in Paris you know with wind in my scarf and cheese under my arm anyway I was listening to the show yesterday where you were talking about SMS and messaging apps and whether or not the SMS and the phone number could go away anytime soon and I thought it was very reminiscent of the discussion between the mobile phones and the landlines and whether or not the landlines I mean whether or not people could do away with the landline it was I guess the discussion started in the 2000s at some point I think I remember that the landlines the absolute necessity for a landline disappeared a lot quicker than we thought it would and I know that a lot of people now don't even now have a landline phone number so I thought it was reminiscent of that and it might indicate that you know what SMSes might go away at some point faster than we think they will but we'll see anyway have a good rest of the week bye and hi Darren and Len, bye I feel like that's a really good point and every time I try to think of a counter to it it sounds like people saying the same thing about landlines going away like yeah but the problem is getting every you know what relying on the service you know what, yeah mobile service isn't as great as a landline but you can totally get by without it. Yeah and these horseless carriages just don't know they'll get you back to the farm for me I think I've been succumbing to old man theorem and saying but SMS is the way we do it and while it may be difficult to find a platform or even a couple of platforms everybody can rely on we've got some emails here that show that the winds of change are blowing that way Ian wrote in saying he does prefer text messages for people he talks to often but he finds Facebook messenger useful for getting in touch with folks he hasn't talked to in a while he writes people my age are constantly breaking or losing their phones so you have no way of ensuring that a number in your phone's address book is up to date. Facebook unlike a phone number is tied directly to a person. I know that I will not get a sorry wrong number bro response when using Facebook messenger the number I have for my best friend from 7th grade is accurate but I know that the dude posting photos of him and his girlfriend at the beach is truly him and then Sakane adds I have four siblings who are in college they all have smartphones but whether or not they decided to buy a prepaid cellular service plan at every giving time is a toss up the only reliable way I can contact them is WhatsApp they technically have phone numbers still but I can't remember the last time anyone used them also why WhatsApp is the only difference with WhatsApp or line is there's no need to create an account or remember a password you just pick a username add your friends and go hey teenagers that are listening right now you want to really freak out your friends dial them no no with the phone and make it ring they'll wonder what app that is what's popping up and then finally rich from lovely Cleveland wrote in and said I know 3D has been a frequent topic on the show of late but the email on VR accessibility for the visually impaired and the subsequent talk of creating auditory cues for the blind got my head swimming in the crazy complexity of 3D sound little research surface that at least Oculus is taking this seriously as they've licensed real space 3D for their proprietary tech to make this work in virtual worlds as for meat space recordings I didn't see any 360 degree or insert correct pyar steridian DOF nomenclature camera makers talking about how they stitch sound together to form a 3D representation could you even do this from one omni mic or other representations so I did some further searching and found an interesting article on L a VR that goes into various approaches to handle VR it's E L E V R dot com in film everything from do nothing to panning between binaural recordings doesn't approach it from an accessibility perspective but it shows that the best approach for this even on a research and professional level is still very much in the air in 2014 but I still don't see a ton out there on the subject thought it was an interesting read and we'll have a link to the L a VR dot com story about this in our show notes yeah how do you make VR accessible Darren do you know I don't know idea but that's so cool yeah somebody needs to do it thank you Darren kitchen as always hack 5.org a check a 5.org is place to go you've got a very special episode of hack 5 coming up and tons of content from CES coming through the warehouse on tech thing with Shannon and Patrick what can you tell us you know I don't know about CES I've been waiting for Shannon to get back she's finishing the edit now so I'm excited to see tech thing T E K T H I N G with Patrick Norton and Shannon Morse and then on hack 5 we are doing a little tribute much like we did to the movie hackers not too long ago we're doing a tribute to the hacker manifesto which turns 30 years old today so if you want to know more about that phrases like this is our world now the world of the electron in the switch the beauty of the bod and other things that aren't quite as dated tune into hack 5 a little later today it's good stuff H a K 5.org Len Peralta has been busily illustrating the show what have you done to our web well you know I I'm interested in the dark web I have read a lot I've actually seen a lot on it and heard there was a radio lab actually about the dark net and I bet you if I did it I would do it all wrong I mean you've given me a little bit more confidence in trying to explore it but I like to think of a dark a dark web or even on the dark net you still get suckered into clicking on Buzzfeed lists so there's a 33 things those who have taken down a city infrastructure via BBS will get that's a little list there I know this is not exactly what you were talking about I like to you know embellish but it is a no I love first of all it's an amazing grim reaper that you have created here and second of all I love the idea of somebody like getting into the dark web like yeah man I'm cool I'm in the dark web and then just get suckered into clickbait still exactly I'm you know I that's what you're trying to avoid eventually you know everything gets mixed up and messed up by Buzzfeed lists that's what I think even the grim reaper of the dark web can't resist 33 things exactly well and it kind of in a roundabout way goes to my same point which is it's still just the web it's just people making things you know we can do it it's a little bit of a chance to start again Tom you're underselling it look we need more people on the onion services we need more people in the dark net tell them there's cool stuff like animated gifts of under construction links and mail boxes it really is the spirit of the 90s that's been fantastic lemper all to store obviously if you want to take a look at that or even purchase a print for yourself yeah absolutely great thank you to our patrons daily tech 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youtube video though like the f22s going across the international date line mid-flight reboot now I'm going to have to get my head into the editing game here for a little bit but what you would call this Hi Jenny Jenny's back $100 poor and $100 richer in quarters wow that's all the quarters what did you buy? somebody's doing laundry about $100 worth of quarters oh laundry she's going to the slots oh I already went to the cash I didn't tell you oh my god first of all let's pick a title publishing in the dark top vote getter from beatmaster nobody expects us marshals we've got gm's white hat oh I think I like this one a node to joy I love that one I saw that one when he submitted it in the chat room that's beatmaster right? yeah and then tinvicks already got watch what you want when you want with nobody watching that's a good tagline for the episode and then we've got darkpublica I like node to joy I like node to joy yeah drop the egg you can't see my browsing now cause I'm using a hidden service love it oh so speaking of quarters I get to tell you the exciting news on the last night in Vegas I won $700 on the quarter slots oh great how many quarters did you put in? you won how much? I put in $20 in the quarter slots and I won $700 that's amazing I thought you said $700 at first no I wouldn't be here yeah that was going to be my next question why are you here? when I win the $800 million I'll give you $100 million for the show and then I'll leave are you going to buy the show for $100 million? wait Tom's selling the show? that's right you heard it here first $100 million it's all it takes now excuse me while I go do my stitch fix box which just arrived so exciting finally Tom got me on stitch fix it's a gateway drug are you going to do an unboxing video? send me some info on that slot I'm going to be in Vegas for 10 days I'll tell you what it is right now tell the whole internet it's really simple I love it and it has no logic whatsoever it's the double diamond slot where if the things are just above the pay line they go either boop boop down or boop boop up they move after the fact and I find that charming that's cheating and bejeweled but it's just like it goes and it sometimes goes and gives you money the looses slots in Vegas well I don't know about that but I'm real fond of them they're like my friend I'm sure you are now no I once won $800 on one of those I am look at this by the way this is pretty exciting I can actually wear this shirt again this shirt actually fits me again because the Filipino shirt I know I've seen you wear that shirt before I know but I gained weight I couldn't fit into it anymore but I've lost the weight so I can fit into it again congratulations man I lost it running congratulations he lost it eating adobo ponsit and dinner guan I was like hey I think I can wear this shirt again that's kind of a humble brag no it's just a straight up I lost weight brag that's fantastic so it's like the perfect month for that oh yeah we'll see how long it lasts everybody was doing it keep it up I think I will I really enjoy it it's about as close as you can feel to being a superhero oh by the way Jenny listen to this week's new radio lab I posted on twitter that I've never had such an emotional response to a show before it completely caught me off guard but you'll see what I mean when you listen to it that sounds good I'm gonna log off guys thank you so much it was good being here and let's tackle year 3 woo! we'll see you guys later we'll talk convey you ex soon take care, bye bye Swamprat says he lost 168 pounds of ugly fat in 19... oh I know I wasn't gonna I know it was I know hey on that topic though I'm gonna give my little recommendation I started a new one of these every year and I was pretty good in the last year but this one this is that's the chart you wanna you wanna do multiple ones so basically you're creating streams of exes so give yourself like a box for every day of the year and then put an ex in it and what you're trying to do is create giant chains of exes and it's okay that's the Jerry Seinfeld method exactly except I'm applying it to like lots of things now so I'm tracking this it's yeah we've got a bunch of different things on there it's like having an old yeah I got codes for different stuff that I want to try to do every single day which is kind of infeasible that I'd get an ex in all five boxes every day but it's still cool to track it because as soon as you do then you're like way more mindful of it well I do I don't do that same thing but it has a similar effect I put things as repeatable all-day tasks on my Google calendar and oh yeah I get the reward of being able to delete them once they're done did you get the Google calendar update where you can now set it as a yeah I haven't started using it that way though oh because it doesn't show up on the web a what this is like Google tasks again where it's only in Gmail yeah it doesn't show up on the web it only shows up on the app on Android and iOS so like if there were like a timeline of Google services there are these magical moments where everything just works and I wish you could just snapshot those times of the Google service as a whole and just stay on that version of Google yeah because what happened immediate laughter is then they break this and then that's broken and these things are broken then they completely change direction come out with material design everything looks weird for a while and then there's another moment of serenity it's like capture those moments of serenity I got nothing today I'm so brain dead from travel all right I got something weird well I gotta get back to shooting hack 5 all right I'm gonna get to editing this audio podcast sorry for the delayed audio listeners but you're not watching this so what do you care awesome to see everybody again all right thanks everybody happy new year yep see you the week after next all right bye should question is there any edits I need to do