 Welcome to Toffey TV, we're continuing the season review, player writings, we're on to the midfield. Let's get into it Baz, let's get into it. Let's start with Idrissa Ghanagai. Wydde you're looking at? Okay. I don't think he was as good as he was last season. I think the first half of Ronald Coomans era, I thought he was unbelievable. He was man of the mat when I'd done the player writings. Nearly every week he was man of the mat, he was just incredible. And then he went to the African nations and come back and snaddle and mazzain and he struggled to find his role, so he tailed off a bit. But this season, I think he's been up and down. I think there's been games and he's been very good, unlike his old self, but then other games. He just hasn't done anything or he's given up all the way too much. Again, all to do with the way the team has been as well, obviously, but I just think I personally think he's fallen below what he's levelling us this season. So what would you give him? I thought seven first, but I think I'm going to be a little bit more critical and say a six. Maybe a six and a half, but a six. No, I agree, I think he has fallen below, but I do think that he's suffered more than anybody from the changes around him. But he's still a consistent player, I think. I still think he gives you a consistent level every week and that's probably why I would give him a seven, just about. I do think he's dropped off, but I do think that he is consistent, what he does, he does consistently. Whether people think that's enough, that may be a different story, but I still think that his performances are genuinely of a similar level and that's why I would just give him a seven. He's just scraping a seven, is he? He's just scraping a seven, but I think he's been affected by the changes around him. I think when he plays in there and sometimes when he's just in there on his own, he finds it a lot easier, but that's been, but tactically, that's sort of been taken away from him. And also, late on the season, he was playing a little higher and I was playing his number 10 at times. It's very, very strange. He's not good enough to play there. It's just because he presses as well. Also he's a presser and no one else presses, and I think when you press and no one else does, you end up looking a little bit silly. Yeah, yeah. I just don't think he's just not creative enough to play in the 10. No, he's not. Morgan Snaddle, a two. Yeah, I'm going to say a two as well. I think last year, again, when he come in, January to May, looked like a Rolls Royce who's said it many times, taking over, looked hungry, looked like he had something to prove, got married in the summer. And he's come back and just hasn't got going. Didn't look fit at the start of the season. I don't know, I can't honestly say this, but I just feel like some of our players got caught out by having to get back into action so fast and never recovered and he was one of them. I don't know, maybe Ashley Williams was another one, but then I put that down to the how he came back. Maybe, listen, I don't want to make excuses for him because I just think his attitude was all wrong as well, but I think that some players, he was a player who wasn't playing for Man United, then suddenly started playing every week for us. And then maybe, I don't know, maybe some players, or certainly him because he played a lot more in the second half of the season than he faced. He needed a bit of a longer break and needs to be eased back in and being back into competition straight away. Straight away in the games like against Rosenberg, you looked at him and went, you're not on this. There's something not right with your game, like your base level game, whether you fit or not, it's just not on, there's not, and he never recovered. I will say against Split away, I said at the time, he had a fantastic game, I thought, because when we were under pressure, he kept the ball really well and I thought, yeah, he's getting fit and he's getting back to what he was last season, but in the Premier League, he just never kicked on and his performances were just woeful. And then his attitude suddenly, well his perceived attitude, don't know the lad, so I can't really, his perceived attitude started to be really, really poor. And as when you need a place to dig in and fight for you, he wasn't one of them. I don't know whether that's because Kouman left or Kouman was under it all the time or what. I just remember Leon, I just remember being away at Leon and seeing him, you know, we're getting beat, we're struggling, you need a place to dig in for you and he goes and gets himself sent off. And that's what he did do, doesn't matter what anyone thinks or anyone says, he got himself sent off. He knew he was on a book and he knew what he was doing, he knew he was getting sent off and he batted the jet room, not my fault lad, see you later. Utilly shameful, utterly, utterly shameful. And then we had the booing situation when he came on, I mean for me, I always think that for a lot of people around me, they were booing the actual nature of the sub rather than the man personally. But each of their own, you know, if you want to go to the match and do that, that's up to you, his performances did pick up slightly towards the end of the season, but he still went to performance easy when he faced sign for the club, so I think when you're on big wages like he's on and you've performed at a certain level, then it's your responsibility to get back to that level and it's your responsibility to pick your game, do whatever you can to get back to that level and fans are right then to call you if you don't because he's shown what he could do last season and it's just never happened for me. He's also on his last chance, I think at a big English club because you know he's been to United, didn't work, obviously wasn't good enough for them, come to us, you know, sort of that table out and he's not doing it and he said himself if he moves he'll be back abroad because I think he knows. But he wants to go to somewhere like Marseille doesn't he, getting the sun, chill out and but that's what he wants, that's what he wants. Tom Davies, I'm going to give him, I'm going to give him a five, I think he's disappointed me this season, especially his dress sense. He dresses like a kid is it? I'll give him that. I've got no issue with that. I just think he's mad, but no, he's bossy, he's very individual. I'm not, it's not like it. I love the fact, I do love the fact actually he dresses like a student. He's just being himself and that's great. I'll give him a five, I don't, I think when we talk about plays you suffered, when we talk about new players coming in and suffering from all the number tens and all the new midfielders, he's a player that was already at the club who suffered more than anybody because he should have been kept in that side and developed and he wasn't, he was pushed aside because he was young. Easy drop, easy drop, he's been, he's played, although he's played in the sentiment field, he is an all round sentiment fielder who's been asked to do all these different jobs and there's been no real through line on what he's been doing all season. I mean he's ended up playing, he played right back, he's played left midfield, he's early on this season. Don't get, I thought every time he made a little cameo he's been great all, even all the way through the season every time he made a little cameo he's been great. He's looked apart and when he's played, when he's played, you know, I remember when he came on against Bournemouth and I remember when he came on against Sunderland that week, or did he start on Sunderland? He was great, he was effective, he was trying to get as high as he can to feed, you know, to the players in and dictate the play and as the season's gone on he's just, I don't know, his role keeps on changing, the players around them keep on changing, there's no consistency and his levels have just dropped off and the one thing I would say about Tom Davies, one of his biggest asset is also one of his biggest flaws I think, I think he ties really really hard and I think sometimes that's that's to his detriment when he plays because I think sometimes he just needs to simplify the game and look for the easy ball and I know that's not what everyone wants but I think when he ties to force things too often he gives away the ball far too sloppily and I think, I think that's, I think that's where as a young player he's got to just relax and just be, just be like I'm going to play myself into this game but when he's come on the pitch you see the energy bring, see the difference and when he's not there you see the difference a lot that midfield becomes a lot more sluggish where his tempo gets us, gets us higher up the pitch and he's just got to, just got to get a manager who knows how to hone that because he's not rubbish no matter what anyone says he's not rubbish he wouldn't be in a Premier League football team if he was rubbish he's just got to be given guidance that's all that's all I think he needs anyway yeah I'd agree with, I'd agree with the writing the five I agree it's great that he's individual he's closing everything else I love that, I love the fact he's not trying everything act like a moth but I think it's some of these other young footballers that you see bouncing around I think he's had some really good games and he's had some really bad games and he's struggled second season since home if you like he's struggled for the consistency I think he was out of team at the very beginning when he shouldn't have been it should have been others who were waiting to come in you know and blooded in very differently like Davy Class and people like that I think we need a manager that knows how to use him properly that's what I think and by all accounts you know I've done a lot of homework on Marko Silva over the last couple of days read lots of stuff about him and he's very meticulous and tells players where they need to be and this that and you know I think that kind of manager is exactly what Tom needs he needs someone who will help him coach him give him tactical information because he's got the basics are all there he's a good passer at the ball for well he tries to pass the ball forward you do a risk taker with his passing but you have to be to to create chances you know he works so well for the team I think he's got more goals in him than he's scored for us so far I think that's that's invaluable yeah but I think he's a young footballer and we can't forget that we all want them to come in and perform every week at the best the best level he can otherwise the crap they're not good enough to this to that to the other and I just think he's he's someone we should be looking to build a team around in and out he's obviously I don't want to put that much pressure on him at that age but he's he's someone you want to see in that evidence right I think he's got lots of really good points you're right some stuff to work on excuse me some stuff to work on but in general you know there's a player there but he's had an inconsistent season so hopefully he can go away he's gone to the two long tournaments hopefully and go and do all right there have a nice break he'll probably be in Venice or something on a gondola or Peyton somewhere and then back with the new regime and hopefully he'll benefit more than anyone so hopefully yeah I think um I think there's still plenty to come from Tom yeah that's just about getting it out um it also we got David Klassen the biggest disappointments I think of the whole biggest enigma of the season for me but but the biggest disappointments for me the whole thing because when we got him you know scored 20 goals for that I actually knew thinking well all right he's not going to have 20 here but you'll get 10 you know half of that or or eight or something it'll really help you know a player from midfield you can score goals and I think a lot of people didn't understand what type of player he was I think when he come in I think people thought he was a the man of different one I think he thought people thought he was a silky number 10 with loads of skill I think what he is is he's a good passer at the ball I think he's a clever player I think he opens people up with the one such stuff um but the the question mark over them is the physical side of the game and does he want yeah is he quick enough is he strong enough can he adapt he's had a year what's great about him is not mount not mount could have gone out the door in January he didn't stayed um his agents soren labi was a very good football himself of Denmark was talking the other day and said he wants to stay he wants to fight for his place he wants to prove himself here at heaven and you need that now ultimately it might be a step too far for him to just his makeup the physical side of it but you get a manager you can assess him a coach a proper coach no you know Ronald was I want to have a gaming golf so so yourself so all adais was going them after big samsville eh do whatever um so someone who'll take him preseason and go look this is what we want have a look at him and then if it doesn't work out yeah you got him out the door so what's your what's your rating right I'm going to give him a four because very disappointed in him um I think he's done some decent stuff in an evidence yet but it's been sporadic even in games he's done stuff but then disappeared but we only seen up for the first like what six weeks of the season really didn't we so it's hard to give him a score but I spoke to him a disappointment factor disappointment factor you know four or five would be around what what you would expect from you know really on in the season I thought there was a lot of promise there I thought um his movement was really good and it was just a case of it I think where he suffered from is I know it's it's it's easy to say well we bought three number tens but that was a big factor wasn't it do the play when we were in trouble you go to what you know you know if you've got Premier League players you persist with them I know the player will come on to next Sigarton where you you know that if you give him games he'll get fit and once he's fit you know he's going to be at it where it's classing you didn't know you didn't know that and he sort of so he went out the side and then David Unsworth couldn't really take a chance on him because David Unsworth said I'm only picking the players and now at the moment and then Sam and Alex was under the same sort of umbrella it was like well what am I going to do I don't know anything about this player I've got a job to do I've got a stick with one or no maybe if other players hadn't come in and classing was the only sort of midfield signing you could have we could have bedded them in if we had a base level of performance where it was you know we were bobbing around that seventh place bed the main get him get him used to the Premier League get him toughened up over the season get him used to English football but that went out the window we had too many toys to play with and one of them just got last and he was the one who got last and it'll be interesting to see what happens whether he you know he comes in it he's got for me his biggest problem was when he was you could see sound stupid but when he wasn't on the ball you could see his movement and his intelligence but when he got when he was fighting for the ball you could see that the other players always had the physical ability to just get in there before him get a shoulder in before him move him out the way you know physically move him he was never in games he just looked lost because he just couldn't get that face touch he could he could never get the ball he could never you know in the Premier League what's the Premier League what how many times players go to go with the ball together and then whoever gets it then you've got a little bit of time and space and then they've picked a great ball the best players in the Premier League likes a silver you know a city or the brun they know they're in for a physical ride so it's all about winning that ball with a nice face touch getting yourself into a little bit of space and then then doing what you want with the ball he could never do that he could never get that face touch and then you know it's not he's fighting for it and then he's fighting and he's like well you could see the game was just going you could see it in his head like what what is this and he never got a chance to to get get up to pace so um yeah it is a massive disappointment and hopefully that does fight for the place what I was gonna say was what and it might be key both ways will be Marcel Brandt because he's worked in Holland for years so he will have seen Davy Classon many a time and he might look at him and go yeah or he might go to Marco Silva this fella can be a really but he can do this and he can do that and that'll be vital I think information for Silva as the manager coming in to start without him looking himself as well because that he already said it on that honest this interview has me Marcel Brandt has said about they've looked at players and they've looked at the squad and so already Davy will have had those discussions but I think there's a player in there but it's it's the physical side he's got to get the physical side let's move on Guilffy Sigarton I'll give him I think I'll give him a seven because I think for me he's not quite got to the levels that he did at Swansea he hasn't found that consistency in his game maybe if he hadn't got the injury he would have because I think he was starting to come into his own slow start we know this and he had hardly any pre-season he came in at the beginning of the season you know his first his first involvement was against Man City he should never have been anywhere near that game because he was so off the pace um it was it was it was untrue he was so off the pace but you know he scored the goal against Split a few days later um which you know I suppose that was the reward for that uh you've got to give players a go at some points and he's you know he picked up and he picked up and I know a lot here on the season we had conversations and you were like I don't don't know I don't know this player is good enough for us but I always felt like with the with the fitness it was all about getting that sharpness I think it's so much I think you can be 95% and still miles away from from being it's because he's got no turn of pace so so he's not so early season excuse me early in the season he wasn't fit enough and he had no turn of pace so he was losing the ball bouncing off he was coming off him he couldn't get away from anybody nothing was really sticking and he looked and go and you're a supposedly a tall as man like to try and do stuff and you just you can't even keep the ball not knew he was a good player because it's seen that it's onesy but it's it's okay being a good player in another team it's can't affect your team and he didn't do that until November probably November time then he started and when he started then you started seeing what he had name in ruin he started clicking with gone and then all of a sudden every month a lot better well I as I said early on in the year I in on season I always thought the team should be built round him rather than built round Rooney and I think as that's as the season went on we've seen that transgression and it worked it worked well for both of them because when when Sigism was in the team wasn't in the team that's when Rooney's performance has started dropping off at the end of the season he was doing a lot of that work that Rooney was trying to do when Rooney the games like Westam at home Rooney's games so simplified simplified because he had a good player to pass the ball to once Sigism went out the team Rooney's having to start making that connection then don't forget the other thing Guilfe wants the ball all it shows but that's what I'm saying so Reigns always got an outlet but when when Sigism wasn't in there suddenly Rooney had no one to give the ball to and he's having to stretch passes and I think you know that people forget that kind of thing and he went a little he played off the left of first and we've seen rewards this goal against Swansea was a perfect example of how we could do that this goal against Huddersfield was massive and you know as I said the goal against Split was was fantastic and his goal against Southampton ultimately was meaningless but it was a fantastic goal and you started to see little things he would go more central at times and it was starting to it was starting to click and it was starting to just get into gear as he got the injury which was a which would match because he played on that game and played quite well in that game um but then he's injured and you know hopefully he'll be back for the world cup but I'm hoping for big things from him next season he really am um you know he's at his peak now with that will hopefully he has games in the world cup he has that under his belt and then he comes back ever and refreshed getting the middle of the park or whatever and starts you know come back first and start showing everyone what he can do um I think there's a lot of talent in there yeah and it's just a case of having good players around them to get to unlocking set pieces as well we haven't seen anything from him and he was amazing at Swansea three kick goals he scored three kicks corners didn't produce really when you think about it the odd the odd time he produced off a set piece so I'm expecting big things this season from him set piece wise um getting back on it you know getting fully on it and I think having a coach like Mark O'Silver will will make him because it's meticulous stuff it's margins and I think get him back get him doing that kind of stuff not all adds to his game then as well and becomes the weapon that we thought we were getting a year ago and remember us talking and going well we get a free kicker in and around the box people are going to be worried now you know seeing the one at Old Trafford the year before the Swansea free kick you know one chance I think when he was at Swansea he was just like he knew he was that kid in a Sunday meeting that's better than everybody and takes three kicks and knows it and it was in it yeah and I think whatever it was just that maybe that I don't know maybe that little bit of doubt in his mind of having of not having you know not having that confidence in himself and all other people having that confidence in him don't forget at Swansea that's two spells there so we kind of knew everyone all right he'd gone to Spades for two years but he knew everyone at Swansea and he safely went back there after it didn't really work out at Spades he went back there then the next minute he's 45 million quid and he's had everything you know and it's like I've got to prove myself in he wasn't fitting it cum and went and then and so there's been a lot of lot of reasons why he hasn't been at his very best but you're right he was just getting up where you looked and you thought he's key for us now and he went and got it so he'll come back so let's throw another one into the into the midfielders I'll put let's put Wayne Rooney in the midfielders as well because that's where he's played a lot of the season and Wayne I'm going to give him seven and I'm giving him seven because I said to you I'd looked at his goals and assists again you're a day because you do forget because he basically didn't do anything in the second half of the season or sorry he wasn't as good and that first half of the season absolutely brilliant some of his goals is the Arsenal goal around you know his shifting it's in the top corners movement for the Man City goal the Stokehead you know there's goals in there is three balls quite a few three balls that we score from inch perfect passes um I thought he was being really good for us this season he definitely titled off no question about it I think you hit the nail on you had a couple of times when you spoke about it just simply played too much and the Premier League is unforgiven it's unforgiven and he's been playing football since he was 16 at that level six you know half of his life has been spent in the Premier League at some stage you've you've got to manage these players as they're getting a little bit older you know other people are looking go you know you looked at David Silver and you looked at Rooney and at the same age well yeah but Rooney was a man at 16 David Silver and quite sure wasn't and was probably treated a little bit looked after a little bit more also the different styles of play yeah and you know it is a little bit ghost on the pitch Rooney's been like running through brick walls for years and people forget when when he was at Man United and when they had you know the 2008 which is which is what a lot of their fans think is their best team you know Ronaldo was getting all applauded but Rooney was doing another dog weight you know he was really really playing everywhere for them and doing all kinds for them I agree I think I think he's had a lot better season than people give him credit for I think he's dragged this through a lot you know through tough periods a lot of mental pressure at times as well with the with the goals and situations and I think he tailed off and just mentioned it you know having losing Sigarton in that midfield so you know someone in that midfield who could get around the pitch who was an attacking player and suddenly having to take the ball yeah and I think his roles changed three or four times not being able to leave him out at times the way we played him later on in the season where we were playing him every game but only for an hour and it was like well hang on why don't you why don't you give him you know playing every other game but give him 90 minutes so he's fresh and he can get through the whole game I just think he was mismanaged to me but when you ate I liked to come out and saying the pain couldn't play in the same team and you're like well hang on we haven't won a game you know without without Rooney or without it baffles me it baffles me and yeah I think it winds me up when you hear people saying you know he's been terrible this season he's like he has not been terrible this season he has not been terrible this season people who say that are people who don't like him didn't want him back and don't like him. You've got a lot of people sometimes and go well you're not my favourite player but he's done all right you know he's had a go he's got a like that top score every start and he hasn't scored and he hasn't scored this year so that tells you something I think you write the cigarettes and things are bigger issued and people people you know would remember or would give credit for didn't play against Saltampton and West Ham and it shows soon as Sigarton went out the team let's not remember all of when Sigarton was in the team Rooney could sit in front of that back four and do his job and not worry about actually having to get forward so we so we were reserving a lot of his legs like Barry used to do they made it take him out that team and he was replaced by by by either Snidlon or or Tom Davies then suddenly all the all the creative responsibility fell on Wayne Rooney so then he has to transition from that role that he looked like he really enjoyed through the midfield and it was like that's where his leg started to not be able to cope with getting around the pitch and that's where you started seeing the strain on him but with Sigarton on the pitch he there's the little he could he could just give it to Sigarton and then he could just go it's like i liking it a little bit to to Snidlon at Ross Barclay you know last year Morgan Snidlon had gone win it get in just pop it off and Ross had taken up the pitch and this year we haven't had Ross Barclay to take up the pitch so when Snidlon's got it everything just becomes sideways and slow do you know what i mean and i think Wayne done the exact same thing i think another manager manager some better speaks to him goes look this is what we do i personally will be sorry to see him go if he goes to DC i still think he's got a year left in him i think he could offer us something he couldn't play every week he couldn't play every week i think if you put legs around him he'll be sound but obviously you've got to trust the manager and ultimately the manager will know we're looking go i can use him because he'll bring this this and this but i don't know whether Wayne will be happy being playing half the game because he wants to play football right come on let's do let's do the last one and then we'll do throw a couple of honorable mentions in um five five i think i think some games he's looked he's looked you've looked and gone go play at this kid go and he had work i thought he was very good at Huddersfield away towards the end of the season so he done very well but then other games i've just passed him by but again he's suffered for him in yeah a tampon he's in for you know in for a week and gone for him i think he's suffered mostly from the fact that he was sort of you know cumin liked him and as soon as cumin went he suffered from the same thing that you know classic suffered from people didn't trust him maybe people don't trust him don't know him and don't know what his attributes are and um and if you throw him in for a game you're not gonna he needed it he needed a run of games and he's got other players playing in his position for me he's got he has got something but he's not quite quick enough and he's not quite physical enough and he's going to have to improve on on at least one of those things was just be a little bit more physical he gets in situations where he tries to beat the player and then can't quite get around them um i don't know whether it's a coincidence but the drop-off of his sister on twitter has dropped off with with his performances um no but he's he's he looks at talents i just i just he's going to have to do a little bit more um it's just a kid though he's the same as Tom Davies he's just a kid it's even harder for him because he's having to you know come in he was a big part of split on what day he did you know and he's he's got to come in and um ideally you know you look back and you think maybe we should have just left him a split for a year and then brought him in this summer maybe that would have been better but then you never know then you're falling the old tall shy sort of situation where a new manager comes in and goes who are you so we was brought in he got games you know and he's had some good experience though so you've got to look at it like that we've said a few times this season we might look back and go well it was a bad new season you know what i mean it was it was crap but we ended up finishing eight and people like you know Michael Keane and people like that flash it's classing him haven't really settled might might be better next year because of it so yeah so yeah five issues it's about it's about right um Benny Benningamy now he's been playing a lot of games yeah yeah i've given six stroke seven i think the reason why i'm saying that is for the games he's played his average rating is probably around the six because he's been really good now you know the game's not being as good but there's been games when he's been very very good for a kid that was literally just putting the side from yeah all looks and no way well under it was not from no way to play the Chelsea you know i know that night under it said snyddem with a mean fit he'd played and all that but Benningamy played that and I didn't look at her plays and the biggest compliment I can pay him is he's never looked out to plays ever keeps it funnw if he does try and keep it nice and simple and does his job gets about the pitch and then just gives it um so yeah you know he's one for the future definitely yeah let's move on a couple of plays we haven't seen a lot of what we'll just mention James McCarthy uh you can't really give him anything can you but really disappointing that when he got that injury he was just starting to hit it you know a patch before but before that let's not remember he'd been out injured for a while so we don't know if we'll ever get the real James McCarthy back uh and my message we didn't get to see much of did we and i'll probably end up leaving the club i imagine but you did really well for Middlesworth second half of the season 31 on them did so I suppose it's down to him whether he wants to play a bit more but they've been the midfielders let us know whether you agree disagree tell us your ratings do you know if you wildly disagree with any of our our choices there let us know in the comments make sure to look out for the other the other videos we've already done the defenders uh we're moving on to the forwards and we've also done a lot of other season reviews as well so go check them out thanks for watching toffy tv we'll see you later