 My name is William Boyd. I'm with the GCF secretariat in the University of Colorado Boulder I want to welcome you to our side event building new alliances for sustainability in tropical states and provinces I Want to thank C4 UNEP and FEO for the GLF opportunity to be here And I want to thank all of our co-organizers. Oh, can we have the slide back up all of our co-organizers of Of this session. It's a great set of discussions lined up this morning I'll provide a few brief introductory remarks Then Dan Nebstad from the Earth Innovation Institute will give us an overview of pathways to low emissions rural development Then we'll have two panel discussions the first panel discussion led by Rosa Maria Vidal The executive director of the GCF fund the governor's climate and forest fund Leaded discussion on government and communities She will then hand things off to Claudia Stickler who's with the Earth Innovation Institute to lead a discussion on bottom-up low emissions rural development strategies and talk specifically about the work of the sustainable tropics Alliance We'll then have a governor's roundtable and hear from several of the governors of the governor's climate and forest task force and Then some brief remarks from Ken Alex a senior advisor on energy environment from the government of California And we're very happy that Ken is here and then finally some closing remarks by Michael Jenkins So we don't have any breaks built into this and we're assuming that if people need to go out and have a break and get some Coffee they can do that But we hope most of you will stay in the room and join us for this this great discussion so the focus of course is is on partnerships and alliances for Sustainable low emissions development and I Just want to say a couple of things about the governor's climate and forest task force and sort of more generally about some of the themes of Of the panel discussions today and of the event before turning it over So the GCF or the governor's climate and forest task force Started in 2009 with 10 states and provinces. It's now 26 states and provinces From seven different countries around the world about 25 percent of the world's tropical forests are in GCF states and provinces 75% of Brazil's 75% of Peru's and about half of Indonesia's and as you can see from this map There are big clusters of states and provinces in large tropical countries like Brazil, Peru, Mexico Indonesia Acre from Brazil the state of Acre in Brazil was the chair has been the chair of GCF for 2014 and Catalonia from Spain our only European member will be the chair in 2015 and we will have our annual meeting in June in Barcelona and hope to see Many of you there June 1st in Barcelona for our 2015 annual meeting now In terms of the value proposition of the GCF or the governor's climate and forest task force of the key elements of The GCF it's really been built from the beginning on this notion of a jurisdictional approach to low emissions development moving away from specific projects specific programs to trying to build a Jurisdictional framework or a program or approach to low emissions development and it's premised on the idea that the states are Laboratories that states and provinces that these subnational governments are important Centers or platforms for policy innovation and that there are lots of different things going on around the world and that there is strength in that Diversity that's where innovation comes from We also believe very strongly in the idea that it's the network that Sort of holds the jurisdictional approach together That is the network of civil servants working in the government's and their civil society partners and I'll say a bit more about that in a minute a big focus of the GCF from the beginning has been on vertical and horizontal policy alignment that is Thinking about low emissions development across different sectoral domains and trying to work toward policy alignment across those different Domains finance agriculture environment, etc But also making sure that state and provincial programs subnational efforts are aligned with national efforts and national programs as well We are extremely interested in Building deeper partnerships with other ongoing processes and this was a big theme of the Rio Branco Annual meeting this last August in octrae We're very interested in deepening partnerships with indigenous peoples organizations And also with sustainable supply chain initiatives, and I think there'll be some conversation on that today as well And then finally, I think there's a there's a recognition in the GCF that the there's no one right way To a successful low emissions development Program that there are regionally specific pathways That obviously have to fit with the kind of local vernacular institutions of particular places in Context and I think Dan Nevstab will say a bit about that in a moment We could not do anything we do without our regional coordinators We have four regional coordinators that coordinate the work of the GCF in Peru Brazil, Mexico and Indonesia Our Peruvian coordinators Siam have really been just phenomenal since all the Peruvian jurisdictions came into the GCF and In Brazil we're very fortunate to work with Ida Sam. I hope some of those folks are here today There will be here later if they're not here now pronatura sewer in Mexico and Chemitron in Indonesia. I want to just say one thing briefly about the governor's climate and forest fund because Rosa Maria Vidal is here She'll be Moderating the first panel. She's the executive director of the fund This is a separate independent entity that was created a few years ago and just began operations in 2013 and it's really intended to be a mechanism a nimble sort of transparent finance mechanism to deliver a Support to GCF states and provinces for needs that they've identified I think it's built on the idea that some of the there's some Problems sometimes in getting some of the support down to the level of states and provinces and some of these subnational Efforts that do need very much need support to move forward Okay Just a couple of things on the themes of today or one one theme in particular This is the idea of a network theory or approach to governance right the idea that It's not a download model right from international to national to subnational to local. It's really Bottom-up and top-down and side-to-side all mixed up together that there are multiple actors interacting at Multiple levels in different ways and the interactions between say international institutions the private sector national government state and local governments civil society groups and of course communities and indigenous peoples that those interactions take different shapes and forms in Different places and so I think thinking about governance in this broader way I think is more realistic in terms of what's happening in the world today and certainly More interesting in terms of trying to recognize the importance of of subnational innovation All right, I know that this is an impossible slide to read but it is relevant to to the conversation So let me just explain it to you very briefly so this is a slide that shows the network of Organizations that is working in the Regional Department of Yucca Yali in Peru and we've developed in the GCF a Web-based Internet-based user-friendly interactive Map of the networks of all the different organizations that are operating in The different jurisdictions because we want to make those connections and make that network more Visible if you will and sort of understand who the key players are and so Here we see again the map of what's going on in Yucca Yali And you can see the different colors are the different types of organizations national government Funding organizations academic institutions the state and provincial government and other organizations and so The only point here is that the network is the glue that holds the Jurisdictional approach together and so thinking beyond just the government and thinking about the civil servants and their civil society partners And how that can be strengthened and made durable through different political administrations one of the biggest challenges in the GCF is the political turnover that we see as new governors come in old governors leave and Strengthening the network underneath that to keep things moving forward is a really important part of our efforts And ultimately I think successful pathways are built from these networks Successful pathways to low emissions rural development. That is All right, finally the Rio Branco declaration so at the annual meeting of the GCF Last august august 2014 in Rio Branco Acre The governors of the governor's climate forest task force Signed the Rio Branco declaration which Among other things contains a commitment to reduce deforestation by 80 percent by 2020 if if Adequate long-term financing is made available it commits to dedicate a substantial share of pay for performance funds to communities and indigenous peoples and it specifically calls for the The development of partnerships with Indigenous organizations and with private sector and sustainable supply chain initiatives. It's very ambitious. I think it shows the Ambition and the commitment of these governors But also the recognition that there's no way they can do this alone and that they need help and support to be able to Move forward with their agendas There are great challenges Obviously in all jurisdictions different kinds of challenges in different jurisdictions But of course, I think the bottom line here is that this cannot be achieved Without the partnerships and the alliances that we're going to be talking about today And so I think that's really the critical take-home message from my presentation Is that the partnerships and the alliances that we're talking about here this afternoon? Or i'm sorry this morning is a really really important piece of this Finally, I just want to thank the donors and funding organizations that have supported The work of the gcf the more foundation the climate and land use alliance And and the other organizations here as well norad usa id and the department of state Have all provided support for various efforts that are ongoing In this sort of group of people and organizations that are here today and we're all very very thankful for that So thank you. I'm going to turn it over now to dan nebstad to show us the pathways to low emissions rural development Thank you. William and thank all of you for getting out early on a saturday morning After a week of many many different meetings I want to if we could move to the first slide, please Talk just very generally. I think the richness of today's session is really going to be in the panel discussions We're going to have the authors of a major new report today That is looked into eight different jurisdictions around the world to see How these relationships are coming together how different stakeholders are coming to the table to figure out Not just what's happening within their own boundaries within their own communities or properties, but across the entire landscape the Next slide, please. Oops. I guess I've got a control here We're in a bit of a paradox we have a world that is Striving to live better so that the developing emerging economies are trying to catch up to the massive consumption levels of the typical american including myself Hope it's not that massive the that means a much bigger impact on the planet Where most of the increase in production is going to take place over the next 20 or 30 years is the tropics And yet the tropics is also the biggest piece of the land portion of greenhouse gas emissions in fact If you look over the next Three to 2030 and we'll look at working group three of the recent IPCC report This is the probably the biggest solution we have to work with In other words, we have to get beyond coal fired electricity That must happen to fix the climate in the long term or to minimize the level of impact But in the near term the biggest impacts are coming from the land and coming from slowing deforestation and how do we get there? The concept of low emission rural development is deliberately put forward to resonate more with the bottom up processes that are the focus of today's discussions In other words, we have to have international Agreements on how all of this comes together. That's why we're all here in lima But I think we all know too that the real innovation is playing out on the ground through dialogues through building new relationships Building new alliances and agreements and just simply sorting things out I think it's possible We think it's possible To achieve all of these goals and water and soil management They're all sort of wrapped in there And if we leave any one of these pieces out, this is probably not going to work We're in a finite planet and we are bumping up against some serious limitations One of the cheap problems is that We are in a very fragmented world Today the world of red plus the world of domestic policy And the big sustainable supply chain initiatives for palm oil and soy and beef and other major commodities Are all operating in parallel We don't find powerful synergies in between these these important initiatives And if we don't get those synergies This probably isn't going to work. The transition is not going to be fast enough To avoid major spikes in food prices Major pulses of natural resource degradation With land grabbing and rural elites dominating the show So how do we part of the problem with this Is that we're really fostering almost a fear of humiliation of fear Farmers take great pride in their work in growing food and fiber and fuel And they're bewildered the farmers I talked to are wondering But we're doing our part. We thought it was a good thing to grow food for the society And people keep telling us we're screwing up. We feel like we are the problem and not the solution that we think we are Businesses, it's the same thing They're sticking their necks out. They're trying to do things better We know there's a lot of businesses that are not doing things the right way And this really needs to change Communities I think have been hearing about the possibility and the importance of their work and keeping Ecosystems intact and healthy as they continue their cultural lives and cultural diversity But they're wondering when is this going to translate into real systemic benefits? To address the issues that we face day by day There's also an irony in the fact that Um Success like we see here here. We have the little boxes within each state of the brazilian amazon show The degree to which deforestation has declined with the new pro's numbers that just came out Um below the the 10 year average ending in 2005 the degree to which soy production has increased not all states produce soy And the degree to which the cattle herd is increased So we're having massive declines in deforestation Mato grosso 86% massive increases in Food production 3.7 fold for soy and mato grosso And yet the farmer in mato grosso the farmer in para Still has yet to receive the recognition and the benefits flowing from this remarkable globally significant achievement They still are wondering. Okay. We've done our part But for some reason It's still very difficult to certify our farms. It's very difficult for markets to recognize our production is sustainable It's still the same bureaucracy to access credit And we still don't have land titles And that is a serious problem because unless those positive incentives arrive at the at the level of the farmer and of the community This agenda is really not going to move forward So brazil's enormous progress has largely largely been based on the fear The fear of going to jail the fear of being cut off from markets the fear of being cut off from finance And that is just not a long-term sustainable solution. There are more dignified ways to do this And I would propose just generally and this is really what we're going to hear the details about How these different worlds of international finance led by red domestic policy policy alignment so that ag and finance and environment and transportation and infrastructure Are all focused on the same definition of success I would propose that if you boil it right down, there's probably three main elements to this success These successful solutions to getting to these large-scale impacts such as those we've seen in brazil and that is At the scale of entire territories be they counties or states or an entire biomes Let's make sure that everyone has a shared definition Of what the target is what the milestone is And we're seeing in brazil that that is possible in a very short amount of time. We get convergence This is attainable It's not coming in from international sphere. It's coming in from the actors who are working on the ground We can do this And we can do this if we have the right incentives that are pushing everyone towards those time bound Quantitative milestones of success for things like deforestation and livelihoods and productivity And if there's monitoring I think another one of the great lessons of brazil is you have to have reliable official monitoring data coming out if it comes out every year that everyone accepts and believes That can really be drive change in a powerful way I Just leave you with One more slide that tries to illustrate some of the relationships that william mentioned This is really at the core of the governor's climate forest task force which began in 2008 This is approaching a one decade dialogue And there is a lot of collaboration and learning and cross fertilization The legal structure of acre and that you now find in motto grosso You know if I had find a dialogue in cheyapas for pulling that structure in there or at least the positive elements of it and This has to be more than Corporate risk management When a large company announces on the stage that it's going to move to zero deforestation supply chains That is a very positive thing But it's only positive if on the ground there are the means to achieve that end If I want to set aside forest and I have a plantation in central kalimantan The local bupati will say well that's zone for reduction I'm going to give it to someone else who really wants to grow something if we don't get that alignment This is not going to happen on the ground If the dyac communities of central kalimantan do not have a prospect for getting land title And now there's a constitutional basis for that They are probably not going to come in to the very lucrative flow of benefits from palm oil And we see similar obstacles to this moving forward and every one of these obstacles can be surmounted If we put our put our heads together and think about this positively So I leave you with an image Borneo the central kalimantan agenda for the pathway to low deforestation highly productive Development being put into place through agreements between bupati's and local palm companies as is happening today The dyac demand to have at least 20 of production not 11 like it is today Those targets have been reached deforestation is down to 5 of it what it was There's no more incursions into pete pete is being restored That progress has been contagious As central kalimantan has attracted investors market players into that province under the leadership of governor taras than And so now we see saba we see western and eastern kalimantan. We see all of borneo Having achieved sustainability so that everything coming out of the ports of borneo Is considered good to go to market and is highly sought after An investment is pouring into the island of borneo because this is where it's happening This is where jobs are being created forests are being preserved and the cultures are being being maintained Our next speaker Our next session will be a panel Which is going to look at that relationship between community leaders and governments This is one of the biggest themes. I think that permeates the governor's climate and forest task force How do we get those relationships right? Right I think we're at the beginning of a very exciting phase when some of these benefits between These parties that don't have a strong history of working together can be realized And uh, rosa maria vidal Executive director of the gcf fund will moderate this session. Thank you Good morning. Buenos dias just for For you that i'm going to manage the panel in spanish because most of my guesses are From spanish-speaking countries So if you don't have headsets, maybe it's a good time to to get those for translation If you need those I'm going to invite my panelists to please join me here in the The chairs you you have translation already, right? How can I use the headset and use this at the same time? Okay Edwin, yeah, wow so many stuff Hey, I'm speaking in the gcf Gracias El la el panel que vamos a tener esta esta mañana es un panel muy interesante porque justamente Vamos a analizar con nuestros panelistas Vamos a profundizar a más detalle estas relaciones que existen entre los gobiernos y las comunidades indígenas Las comunidades indígenas poseen una una por una porcentaje muy grande de los territorios en los bosques tropicales Y no solamente las comunidades indígenas sino también los ejidos Las comunidades forestales y todos los usuarios de los bosques que dependen y viven directamente de ellos todos los días Como dan presentó hace unos momentos No obtendríamos posibilidades de avanzar en una transición del desarrollo rural de bajas emisiones Si no tenemos como aliados principales a las comunidades rurales Pero también es cierto que los gobiernos tienen un papel fundamental para alinear las políticas los incentivos Los subsidios y los programas Que permitan ese esa participación mucho más Organizada, fortalecida y con seguridad con equidad de las comunidades El diálogo entre los gobiernos y las comunidades indígenas entonces se vuelve crucial Indispensable para los digamos todas las discusiones que tenemos hoy día En las metas de reducción de emisiones En hacer viable red o en hacer viable un desarrollo distinto que asegure una salud climática y ambiental del mundo Tanto los gobiernos subnacionales los gobiernos estatales las provincias las regiones Como las comunidades indígenas han estado olvidadas de la agenda de estas discusiones Generalmente se ve a una escala muy muy global Se está hablando de las alianzas con el sector privado Pero como bien dijo Daniel Nefstad muchas de estas discusiones ocurren de manera islada Las voces de las comunidades indígenas están por aquí Las de los gobiernos por acá la de las empresas por acá Y lo que tenemos que hacer es lograr que estas voces se integren de manera efectiva y con resultados El panel que vamos a tener esta mañana y me voy a permitir presentar a nuestros invitados de este día Es un panel que justamente vamos a tener un diálogo Abierto claro transparente creativo para buscar Ya no solamente hablar desde cada uno sino hablar con el otro Como como nos comunicamos entre comunidades indígenas y gobierno Que es lo que nos decimos unos a otros y como podemos ayudar a encontrar soluciones en común Entonces me voy a permitir presentar al panel nos acompaña Levy Sucre Romero Levy es el actual director ejecutivo Córnina la comisión ejecutiva de la alianza mesoamericana de pueblos y bosques Tiene una gran experiencia Tá en el manejo de los recursos naturales en Centroamérica Y es parte de un grupo de ocho territorios indígenas de Costa Rica Gracias por estar con nosotros Levy también tenemos a Edwin Vasquez, coordinador de la coica Edwin gracias por acompañar no sabemos que tienes una agenda muy complicada Edwin coordina una red muy importante de Comunidades y organizaciones indígenas de la cuenca masónica es líder del pueblo de Wittoto Y ha sido también presidente de la federación indígena en el perú Nos acompaña también Mina Setra Gracias Mina por estar con nosotros esta mañana Ella es la secretaria Adjunta general de la alianza de pueblos indígenas De los archipiélagos Aman es pertenece al pueblo Dayak Pompang De el oeste de Calimantán Gracias Mina Representantes de los gobiernos tenemos a Tres gobiernos subnacionales La secretaria de medio ambiente del estado de Jalisco María Magdalena Ruiz Mejía También una persona con una gran trayectoria en la conservación de los recursos naturales Nos acompaña Dan de Tavares de el estado de Acre Director de la Compañía de Desarrollo de Servicios Ambientales de Acre Economista también con una gran experiencia Y previamente director del WWF en Brasil Y finalmente también el ingeniero Vasquez William Ingeniero Ambiental y gerente de la autoridad regional ambiental del gobierno regional de San Martín Y nos daba mucho gusto tener a Peter Holmgren Director General de el CIFOR Que es también compañeros en esta sesión de hoy Que nos han permitido acompañarlos con este evento paralelo Muchas gracias Peter por estar esta mañana con nosotros Entonces sin más, vamos a pasar a los primeros comentarios La dinámica que vamos a tener es una primera pregunta general para todos nuestros panelistas Vamos a partir iniciando con los comentarios de las comunidades indígenas Y después de los colegas del gobierno Y vamos a cerrar con una primera, digamos, impresión de parte de Peter Como un tercero observador Que es lo que él encontró de lo que cada uno dijo Y que nos puede decir si fué de su experiencia A partir de eso vamos a iniciar unas preguntas más específicas Y vamos a tomar preguntas también de parte de ustedes La idea es que del diálogo que hoy generemos aquí Podemos sacar algunos elementos que nos ayudan a ir construyendo Lo que en el GCF queremos hacer también hacia adelante Que es establecer un marco de corresponsabilidad de trabajo con las comunidades indígenas El GCF está planeando para su asamblea anual Que será el próximo año en Barcelona Hacer un memorándum de entendimiento con pueblos indígenas Y esta sesión nos va a ayudar a encontrar algunos de los puntos en que el HEMOYU pudiera estar avanzando Entonces, bueno, para no dar más vueltas La primera pregunta sería justamente ¿Qué es lo que ustedes han identificado como los retos principales Para el diálogo con los gobiernos? ¿Cuáles son esos temas centrales que ahora se encuentran en este diálogo con los gobiernos? Y, este, quisiera ver si Levi nos puede iniciar algunos comentarios Levi, en el diálogo de que tiene la alianza mesoamericana con los gobiernos subnacionales ¿Cuáles son esos temas centrales que están en la mesa? ¿Y cómo ustedes han ido avanzando este diálogo? Gracias, buenos días a todos y todas Voy a compartir un poco, un comentario sobre lo que hacemos y cómo nos llevamos en base a tu pregunta Y sé que el tiempo es corto, entonces voy de una vez a las mesos de vaciones La experiencia de nosotros pasa por tres puntos principales de este diálogo con los gobiernos El primer punto que nosotros consideramos que es clave para mantener este diálogo Es la importancia de una visión compartida por parte del gobierno En las estrategias subnacionales o en las estrategias regionales Lo que nosotros normalmente nos ocurre es que hacemos un diálogo con el gobierno central Y después en las partes regionales o nacionales las cosas empiezan a cambiar Porque la visión no es compartida Y eso se requiere de esa visión compartida En el marco de la alianza tenemos experiencia como la zona del PT en de Guatemala Como la mosquita andreña, que se han hecho ya estos tipos de cosas con esa visión compartida Y se logra llegar a acuerdos El segundo punto que nosotros consideramos es que se requiere una base de confianza Y esa base de confianza inicia desde el reconocimiento del parte de los gobiernos de quien es el actor local Realmente con quien está hablando Si son los grupos, somos los actores Y la agenda que tenemos nosotros alrededor de esta experiencia comunitaria El tercer elemento que nosotros consideramos que es importante para este diálogo con el gobierno Es una coherencia política Y esto tiene que ver con marcos legales consistentes Si no hay una coherencia política y marcos legales consistentes Es todo el diálogo empieza a caer en una especie de vulnerabilidad por asuntos meramente de políticas o legales Muchas gracias Levy, tres puntos nos dice Levy Visión en común, confianza y coherencia Politica, muchas gracias Levy Vamos a tener ahora este Edwin Vasquez Tus comentarios sobre que está en la mesa de diálogo con los gobiernos subnacionales en la región amazónica Y cuáles son esas, digamos, temas centrales que tú ves para avanzar en la posibilidad de una alianza con los gobiernos Buenos días El referente a las propuestas más que todo Porque no podemos dialogar con certar una institución y más que todo dentro de la estructura del estado Si es que los pueblos indígenas Nosotros lo tenemos Nos permite eso un minuto porque no estamos escuchando A ver si pruebas No estará prendido Referente a la pregunta La Coica Para poder dialogar con los estados de nueve país En este caso, en el que estamos nosotros, tenemos nuestra propuesta Lo primero, es justamente asegurar furicamente las tierras y territorios de los pueblos indígenas A partir de allí como una sabaguarda temprana para los pueblos Frente a las grandes amenazas que existen permanentemente hacia los territorios Por ejemplo, cuáles son esas amenazas, concesiones hidrocarburíferas, concesiones mineras, forestales Y el tema de megaproyectos, carretera hidroeléctrica, soya, hérovías, palmas saiteras y todo eso Y por una parte, estamos queremos conservar por otra parte estas grandes amenazas Por eso es que nosotros los pueblos indígenas decimos que nosotros somos las que realmente conservamos Y el otro tema también es sobre el tema de los recursos Si bien es cierto, nosotros los pueblos indígenas somos los guardianes que cuidamos con o sin recursos, sin dinero Tenemos conservado parte de nuestro territorio Esos recursos que reciben los estados no están llegando sólo queda en la estructura Del estado y que nosotros los pueblos indígenas no recibimos a cambio de ello Al contrario, en vez de ayudar a preservar, a conservar con sus leyes El estado el único que ayuda es a depeder los recursos y atropellar los derechos de los pueblos Eso estamos dentro del marco de diálogo y como también para esta convención Tenemos bien claro de que para ello los pueblos indígenas Estamos nosotros a través de la coica proponiendo un fondo amazónico para la vida Directamente que llegue y que administre y que no se quede en las grandes estructuras de los estados Por un momento hasta ahí me quedo Muy bien, entonces Edwin apuntas territorio, seguridad del territorio de la propiedad Como una salvaguarda y obviamente de los recursos que lo contiene Y el acceso al financiamiento como los dos elementos principales Además de la lineación del marco legal para ser coherentes también con las propuestas de un desarrollo sostenible Mina, quisieras compartirnos la visión desde Indonesia, por favor I think the most important things to build dialogue with governments and also companies is trust How can we build good dialogue if our people on the ground still get violence affected from their territory Arrested or criminalized I think that is the biggest challenge of sitting together to have dialogue Because of these obstacles is still happening until now in many countries also in Indonesia So I think the first thing that we have to do is reconciliation between the three And to build the trust and to understand the good will from each parties I think that is the most important thing for me right now Thank you, Mina Now that we have heard some of the concerns and perceptions of the community I would like to hear the vision that you have as governments How are you seeing it? What are the efforts that you are making to be able to approach and solve some of these problems And from that, what elements do you also identify as central to advance in an alliance? Let's start with Acre, Dandi, the environmental service company Can you hear me? Good morning Well, the State of Acre has a very intense relationship with indigenous peoples Especially because it understands that the dialogue process with indigenous communities Be it Strativist, Acre is vital because we have a habitat forest We have 14 different indigenous ethnicities And we have many communities that work with rubber and other forest products In Acre, yes, we are in the territorial planning process The zoning plan that has been defined That the cultural or political component was vital So, from the planning framework of the entire territory The indigenous communities are considered as part of the sustainable development process of the State So, I would say that if we make this dialogue with indigenous peoples And also to be able to make this dialogue If we create governance mechanisms to the council and committees And also if we create a specific structure in Acre To establish this dialogue, which is like a department or a secretariat That specifically makes this dialogue with the peoples And also with the articulation with all areas of government So that the politicians can have an integrated process of implementation So, well I'm going to ask you a specific question Tandi, taking advantage of the fact that you are in the company What discussions are there internally on the issue of financing for indigenous communities inside Acre? Well, Acre has its environmental service incentive system Where it has created two institutions The company and the Climate Change Institute And the regulation of ecosystem services, which is the IMC So, in the company we have the purpose of establishing a dialogue with indigenous peoples First, to develop the sub-programs So, how are we going to consider the participation of the indigenous people In this process of distribution of benefits And also how this look of how the indigenous people Do their historical contribution to ecosystem services For the maintenance of these We are making a dialogue with a group Which is part of the CISA government Which is an indigenous working group And we are developing with them these basic directors For the indigenous sub-program We also have an initiative of dialogue For the invitation of an indigenous group Which has a partnership, a very old dialogue With the company And which is interested in developing a project To consider the issue of environmental services These are the peoples of Iawanawa And the company is the truth The company, the CISA, is mediating this dialogue And working together to achieve this What can be a project From a partnership that 20 years ago That now wants to have a more Beyond including the ecosystem services Thank you, Sandy William Vasquez What do you tell us from San Martín What experience is there And how are you trying to link In a concrete way with the indigenous communities And the communities that use the forests Do you hear me? Well, in the case of the In the case of the regional government of San Martín It was seen by convenience To form an organization Of indigenous peoples of San Martín That employs four federations Indigenous And at the same time These consider a certain group Of communities, of the ethnic groups Quechua, Awahun, Shawis, etc. So, this organization Started to form part of the Organic structure of the regional government Currently it is considered Within the regional direction Of social inclusion From which a joint work is being done In this case with us As regional environmental authority In which we could also mention That recently we have generated A community forest platform That is represented by each one Of the representatives of the federations As a dialogue space to be able To receive their opinions To coordinate actions And to intervene together With these communities Considering among other actions The fact of having recognized And generated Savings of their communities So, actions that come Developed, oriented To be able to include them That these communities are part Of the planning of the territory And to be able to work together With them Thank you William Please, ma'am Tell us about Jalisco, Mexico How you are working From the Secretariat With the forest communities There have been two great focuses One has to do with The deposit trust In this administration From year and a half of work And a governor who has worked very hard Recovering trust Lost for more than two decades Where the indigenous communities Were suffering a process Of very little support At the political level The first case is the dimension Of the fulfillment of normative And environmental justice There, the Secretariat of Environmental Development Was put as witness And companion of communities Both Uisrari or Uicholes Like from the Nahuas One in the north and one in the south Of Jalisco For a lack of fulfillment Of historical environmental normative That had had an impact Where they crossed their territory And it was considered a sacred point And a devastation of that point Considered as sacred And on a road And the Secretariat was invited As a witness So that the fulfillment Of environmental normativity Would be carried out By the promoters of the work And by the Secretariat Of Public Work Infrastructure And there was a recovery We have been working So that everything that was The environmental impact manifestation Had all the elements To recover all that impact That was really very serious In a biological corridor Important, I would say Planetary You would have to see the impact That was made in the Uichola It was very big, the impact And then it was conditioned To total recovery And it was accepted by the government That was in the first case Many humans Where a community Historically very devastated By a Chinese company A mining company that has More than 20 years of work Has also had A relationship with mining With organized crime With an illegal forestry There too The Secretariat of the Environment Was also invited By the community We would see how it was Recovering the environmental norm That was the first case And the second dimension Is from Territorial arrangements With a vision of integrity And complexity Where there is already An impact of recovery And planning of the territory From bioculturality That is, from a biocultural We are thinking of Strategic regional arrangements Where both communities And their corridors Connected with the forests Will be reconfigured Under territorial arrangements With this impact of bioculturality Thank you very much Very interesting The comments from The representatives of the government Focus on several mechanisms Committee For example, Councils Also point to strategies How Let's say, ecological arrangements Participatory mechanisms Act as mediators For the channeling of resources Establishing Platforms Facilitation of access To policies And also very interesting What you commented on The compensation Of the impacts of third parties Peter, after listening To representatives Of different regions Of indigenous communities And the efforts of The national governments What is missing then? It seems that there is will On both sides To find common points What do you think Could be these elements To establish more strategic alliances More solid Of course There are many pending ones There are still many pending ones Of the recognition Of the role of indigenous communities To be able to To reach More cost and equitable The benefits of development But also the sub-national governments Have limitations Of course, of personal resources And of institutionality What can be done In the framework of these international discussions To position This link in a more strategic way That's there and that's growing And I can see a lot of progress made But I would like to focus My comment on a more general level Because I think what the GCF Initiative has done is really to open up The multi-scale thinking Of landscapes I prefer to call it landscapes We can call it different things And that landscapes are not only things That are distributed over the planet Landscapes are also nested From small ones to large ones And the small ones exist within the large ones For example, community landscapes Exist within provinces Et cetera So I think you really opened up this discussion And that's very significant Because as we heard in the discussion In the panel The priorities are different On the different levels And this is really a very fundamental Thing that we must learn to appreciate That the priorities will be different On different levels And that this is good That diversity in setting priorities Is a good thing that we should embrace And in that vein We should probably move away From defining targets Too much at the central level Too much central planning And I think we have some interesting examples Of this in the For example, the global negotiations On climate change And we've seen for decades how difficult it is To have an agreement on Fairly detailed priorities At this level And to me One of the problems here is the scale We are trying to address too much detail At too high level And similarly There was some mention here about Planning processes That are perhaps going Into too much detail at a too high level At national level Or possibly even at province level Instead of seeking these ways Of setting priorities And targets and Detailed regulation We should really embrace that The priorities will have to be And should be different at different levels And instead focus on the framework Things that were mentioned Were coherent legal frameworks I would also say Upholding human rights And land rights is a key factor And making the Finance and market infrastructures Work for small holders And then also As was mentioned, building the trust Between these different levels Is really key. So if we focus on Making those Fundamental pieces work Then I think we don't have to worry too much About priorities being different On different levels, they should be And we have many different situations We should be positive About that and not try To Set land use priorities In the wrong way In some places The planning mechanisms Together The efforts that are being made To incorporate Safeguard Distribution of benefits Are these enough Mechanisms to Generate that trust? Is it a matter of time? It would be a first Question for our Comrades of indigenous communities Are these enough mechanisms Or are they missing? I saw it I see you want to say something I think One thing is When we talk about trust And what Mina said About reconciliation It goes much further than tools It goes from understanding It goes from understanding First of all And then the tools are important And all of these mechanisms But I think it goes first For having that What we call trust And what Mina calls reconciliation And then we are going to talk With all the tools that will be possible That this relationship is more stable And gives positive results Thank you Edwin, Mina, do you have any reaction? I think it is true That we should reconcile And also There has to be that That political will Why? Because the tools are already there In Peru, there are already laws To legally secure those lands And your territory, the 26175 That is not a law From now on, if it is not a law It is more than 40 years ago The only thing that is missing Is political will For example, the indigenous peoples Are asking for your territories But they do not give it There is no such will But if a oil company comes today They give it to the next day In Peru And another, for example, in Bolivia They have constitutionally The Convention 169 Of the OVT Where the rights of indigenous peoples are And as well is the Universal Declaration This same government That will stop talking About the land of the Pachamama But in practice They are not giving it They are not giving it All the contrary That they are wanting to remove And reduce the territories of indigenous peoples That political will is missing Just like Colombia Just like Ecuador We are going to say All the countries Of the Amazon basin Including Brazil The same That it has funds from Norway Just part of it It has to ensure The land and the territories But they are not giving it All the contrary They are financing the issue Of leaving the mega projects To the neighboring countries To make roads Hydroelectric Hydrovires And where they are going to be Even more serious That they do not consult They do not do the previous consultation To indigenous peoples They only do it when The conflict is generated And that is not transparent We ask for respect And we ask for political will Thank you, Edwin It is also very interesting That in the following interventions They also help us to think What could be the role Of these decisions In the national institutions And ministries What could be the sub-national governments To be the closest allies Of the communities where these things happen How can the GCF Help with their platform Of members To improve local governance Relations That would be the question In the nearest land We would like to ask you I think at some point The political will is there Also good will The question is How to make that political will And that good will work In Indonesia for example We have Actually we have several laws And legislation that Recognize indigenous peoples rights We have in our constitutions Recognization of indigenous peoples Rights and also last year We have the constitutional court ruling Related to customary forest And it's giving back customary forest To indigenous peoples The question is How to make that become reality And When we talk about the GCF And also The zero deforestation In indigenous peoples territories That comes to my mind about How to make it not being aggressive We have In this year We have two cases where indigenous peoples Been affected from their territory Because it is That territory Claimed by the government As national park We have 11 people now Being criminalized In jail Because of their living in this territory And they were accused as Being destroying this territory In fact it's not them There's another entity that's doing that And they got They got attacked by the police Brigade and Their houses been burned down And some of them got arrested How we will change This situation How we give evidence Of good will Or political will If these things keep happening I think the most important things To do first is stop do this And as the provincial government Which is in the middle Between national government And local government I think the provincial government Can play big roles Governors In Indonesia for example Related to the constitutional code Ruling Now the What Indonesia have to do is Relay on the local government To establish the To make the local regulations On the customary forest And the recognition of Indigenous peoples rights Although in the national level There is an absent of Recognition of Indigenous peoples rights In the national law And that's why I think in this situation The provincial government Have the big roles And To make this into reality The governments in provincial level Can mediate the process Because the local government Is the most closer to the community To the reality in the community And sometimes this reality Is not as beautiful as we expect So I think that's the most important Things is to Give an evidence of that good will first And then everything else We can sit and talk about Because next questions We want to throw also questions I think for Indigenous peoples Also want to throw questions to governments And to the company What do you need us to do So you can implement Your political will Do you want to Have an evidence of our existence Of course, we provide you with our map There is an evidence Of our territorial map We have our own management system Of the territory We can establish We already have our own Community based monitoring system What do you need us to do So you can work So you can start to work on your Political will I think that's Questions that we want to also To ask Thank you very much You help me To continue the facilitation of the panel With that question Because now we're going to ask Government colleagues What do you need us to do To continue advancing In these To be able to show That Good will That political will that Edwin said And recognizing that there are The sub-national governments The state governments The regions are very different To the decisions that are taken At the central level We know that part of The discussion of GCFS How to achieve a greater participation Of the sub-national governments In these decisions and these Agendas And Mina says An important role is mediation An important role is To help to generate these Dialogue tables To articulate These levels of intervention That Peter also said All these scales How do you react As sub-national governments To these concerns? What comments do you have? Dandi Thank you Thank you What I could share The Secretary of the Environment and Development Territory is a recent secretary Creation where Then I chose the environment of a program Of a social development axis Was Historically in the state of Jalisco From a year and a half It became a priority And a new secretary However The rest of the structure Is still a structure based In an economic Environmentalist All that structure is emergent So For us to serve Groups like GCFS Or the French Agency of Development Or These great international platforms For us to steal This emergent process Of building Environmentalists To make a sustainable culture Within the public administration Not only The territorial secretaries And immediately We have to compete With the Secretary of Economic Development With the Secretary of Rural Development With the Secretary of Infrastructure And Public Works With the Secretary of Hydraulic Infrastructure That until now At least in our In my state And I'm sure that in most of the Countries of Latin America They don't have the principles Of sustainability Like in other scenarios So to us No one is profiting in their own land What does it mean? That although we are trying to Make a great effort You are stealing Decisions that are transcendental Regional divisions I'm going to give an example The French Agency of Development Is accompanying us In the National Park of Rural Development Rural Development Where the economy Differentiated and based In the forests And in the territorial vocation Are going to be the engines To reorganize the territory There is the French Agency of Development The one that with financing For two years Is going to accompany us Together with the National Commission Of Protected Natural Areas The National Forestry Together with the State We made an agreement To reorganize A substantial territory Of the State Where forests and biological corridors Are really very important But also the development And the subjective well-being Of the whole region Because it is one of the most Impoverished areas of forestry And where there is a high level Of the agro The agro-pecuary border So that's where You accompany us But on the other side Of recovering the trust Has not been easy Because the sectors Silvicultures of communities Historically Have also been In my case Get used to A paternalism A historical subsidy Where it is not easy To put them at the most proactive Discussions More Of work permanence Where they are making decisions They are used Also a lot To a subsidy To receive payment And a Historically very paternalist So we have to work On the front We have also found Communities Aged, private That have a lot of trust And are working with us And that is where we are As reconfiguring These networks Thank you Dandi or William Who wants to contribute With an idea I think the issue Of indigenous communities To The work that can Develop In this case The sub-national governments Go beyond the analysis Of The political will That can be seen It has been shown That political will in the fact Of having started All this process of consolidating Within The indigenous communities In San Martín But I think what is missing To be able to Generate That trust, that relationship Because in the end they are sub-national governments Who directly face The problem Or sit down to dialogue With each of their federations Who represent it Is to generate from a national level To these sub-national governments To coordinate With these federations Can also establish ways Of intervening Without this Signify The issue of development The issue of investment At a national level In the case I could also say That as a way to Generate that approach We have seen mechanisms That also thanks to the support of the cooperation In this case as USAID We have had a lot of support And we have seen How, if we already Take steps like organizing Recognizing them Saving their territories So now How do we also generate Some mechanisms to make These communities can No longer affect themselves To satisfy Necessities And we have started to generate Development plans For each of these communities Under the technical optics That they have And also there Intervened some Some national institutions Like the program USAID Also Cooperation We are generating life plans Of these native communities And now the issue is how we generate Economic capacities So that these life plans Can be implemented And we are also intervening With them to establish Sustainable economic activities In these communities There are some Inside San Martín That have been affected By the need To satisfy them Also They have built lands They present some problems But most of them Have been articulated And the space that I mentioned The platform has also facilitated To strengthen This dialogue with them And that That articulation in the work That is being developed Thank you Dandi, some words from your experience How do you react to this That Amina mentioned What we have also heard From Levy Ok, ok Do you listen? Do you listen? The company has A short experience But it is located In the state of Acre So it has a long experience The dialogue With the indigenous people And we understand That this dialogue has to be very broad Of course Contemplate The communities The peoples That imagine that they have A big challenge Because there is always a discussion Of the representation It is dialogue with the indigenous That are in the city The indigenous that are in the villages Sometimes they are not participating So this is a process That now, for example In the scope of the system Of services We are looking To draw A consistent way The governance mechanism Or better The application of this mechanism That can really contemplate In a broad way All the peoples And that they feel That they are contemplated In their proposals And so on So we understand That it is important and clear The will and the political decision But it is necessary The structure and the money To make the governance process Is happening In a broad way And also That it can be understood That it is a process That we have For example, in the law A structure that is defined That is Interesting But the process Of A consistent dialogue And That really Does the monitoring of the decisions That has been made This always demands A reflection That sometimes has to be With the reformulation of processes But this Always has to involve the will Of all parties And in Acre we can say That there is a great desire Both of the indigenous With the government Is strengthening this dialogue In the scope of Of the public policies And Especially the issue Of the ecosystem services Thank you. Before giving the floor to Peter Peter wants to intervene now If you prefer Peter, if you want Peter I would like to take a few questions From here and if you can give us The closing remarks of the session Okay Thanks I would like to focus my comment Now on the need for a common language Because We're talking about a dialogue Between different levels Between community, provincial governments And national governments and maybe the global level too Unless we have an established Common language just like our Excellent interpretation service here Provides us with a common language A common language for discussing the priorities Why they may differ on different levels And if that is a problem or not There is an advantage And I want to pick up on one slide That Dan Napster had in his presentation Where he talked about Low emission development And he mentioned four parameters If you like More food, more forests Better livelihoods and fewer emissions And I think that Is possibly a very good starting point For a common language And discussing where do we put the priorities On these four parameters At different levels because they will be different And at the moment We have a lot of focus on deforestation That's a very important issue Of course But the thing is that If that's the only common language we have Then we're using An objective or priority that's set Pretty much at the global level And try to impose that all the way down to the local level And we have no way to communicate What differences in priorities Might be between the levels So I want to Make the point that a common language For the dialogue to build the trust And build the understanding Is going to be key Thank you Thank you We're going to take a few questions Of the room If you have any questions And if... Camilo, please help me pass the microphone For The people who are interested If you have any questions or comments The gentleman Back there We have two people Let's have the person If you say your name If you introduce yourself, please Good morning My name is Xixin Aczak From the town of Mayakakchiquel From Guatemala A comment about what has been discussed I think To have an alliance Approach, coordination with the states For the indigenous peoples Has been complicated Since the states What they do is repress Violate the rights Of the communities As the exhibitors already said Giving concessions Minerals, monocultures And all that And the indigenous peoples, on the one hand Are fighting to defend And preserve their territories So there is a contradiction That does not allow the alliance And the other thing that affects The TLC That the TLC Gives permission to the states For the states To authorize those concessions What the indigenous peoples want Is that the states respect The rights By issuing laws To prohibit those concessions That damage the communities Thank you Good morning, everyone My name is Michel Schleffer I work for the French regional cooperation In the CEPAL Based in Santiago de Chile Well, more than a comment A reflection When listening to the presentations Of both sides If you can say it like that And my question is also based In work on conciliation Mediation, territorial and environmental In different numerous states My question And my reflection is Are we talking about dialogue Or are we talking about Process in the decision making That is What is the coherence That can be between Accompany And efforts that make And that the guests And guests and guests Stimulate But what is the coherence When a vision A model of development A A project that comes Above What is Working, for example In the tables and in the rooms That have been mentioned as an example In another way The question is Beyond Dialogue How to build A shared vision of the future Both of the societies Of the communities Rural indigenous Etc. As well as the future of the territory As such And if we talk about global landscape That is the subject of this forum Expanding it I think that you will always be affected With By conflicts of interests Of objectives And it seems to me that if we do not Work in a shared way Common visions So we are going to say Models of development Patrons of consumption And production I think it will be a little difficult To pass from the level of dialogue To the level of Decision making Thank you Any other person To comment before To give the floor to our panelists John Katazeski From Winrock International I heard many of the speakers Talk about Differences between What was in the plans And what was happening on the ground And I was wondering if they could comment On monitoring systems And what role they play Are the tools that are currently In those monitoring systems Adequate to address the concerns That they have Hi, Ken Androska From Winrock International also We heard a really interesting initiative 20 by 20 From William Boyd at the beginning Of this incredibly interesting panel And I'm wondering if the folks on the panel Could reflect on how feasible They think it is to achieve The massive reductions that that implies In their In their own regions How feasible is it to achieve something A policy goal of that magnitude In the relatively short time frame Between now and 2020 Thanks Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Actually I want to I'm interested with One of the comments from the audience About the How to move dialogue From dialogue to next step I think when We start the dialogue We can start Counting Our modalities If we can start from one And then we can check From each parties What is the modalities we have What modalities the indigenous peoples have What the governments have What the companies have From there we can move forward And talk about the planning And The The things with these corporations Is there are so many puzzles And Where some puzzles already Form into pictures But also there are some other Puzzle that is missing Like the cases The conflict cases It's not yet handled very well That is one missing puzzle That have to be We have to put Concern on that Because that is one of the bridge To build trust In the corporations I think the cooperation Between indigenous peoples Government and companies Is not only about fun It's not that Because I give you this fun And then you work It's not only about that It's beyond that When We talk about The There was a question about Servition of the future Of the territory I was a bit courier This morning When there is a Talk about zero deforestation In indigenous territories What does it mean Why only indigenous territories In Indonesia we have Customary forests But also state areas State forests We want to know also How far This Will be addressed Not only indigenous territories But also my next question also How long is the projection Of the zero deforestation In indigenous territories 50 years 100 years Maybe 10 years Because we have to consider About the populations There will be Zero deforestation There will be some needs Related to forests How are we calculating that I think Maybe I was not involved Much in the GCF Dialogues But I think that questions Can Bring us Thank you Mina I think those are very important And very valid And they are the ones that Are placed on the table Related to Common objectives So maybe The first That GCF has to address How to achieve these reductions 80% What can be done in alliance With indigenous communities Where these reductions are going to happen How are they going to solve The needs For the future And how can Be done in a strategic way A call to the private sector Together Maybe indigenous communities And governments can Also align the Investments of the private sector Some Levy needs Please Comments I want to make a comment I would like to hear the opinion Of the representatives of the governments Because I am interested in the opinion Of them about this I want to add two elements One is the uncertainty of the legal That we live in the territories Product of geopolitical And globalization That Secretaries and ministries Those are two topics That I think are key Because we can talk about the regional level But it can fall We say we can burn the bread At the entrance of the forest And I want to illustrate it with An example of indigenous people For us that is How to be in the forest With one hand feeding Because we have to develop We have to feed our people The executive power And another of our parliaments Or our... We have to always be the same Because that changes the whole scenario Of a moment or another And here the case in Mexico is The modification of The constitution of article 27 And all this is an example of that That is very important That affects us in the end To give a concrete example For the subject of harmonizing With the secretaries In the case of Costa Rica The eight indigenous territories First, all these regional Or national governments They must be allied with us But they have to understand us First to be able to join Other levels And the others that we do Every year we do something That we call the cultural festival Where we sit all the members Of the different ministries Something that happens here is my territory And on this I want to work And we look for a way So that element I wanted to include Thank you Very briefly we have two minutes left One minute Claudia says we have to leave But one minute, Claudia For very briefly A closing I don't know where you want to go William, do you want to say something Very briefly I think one of the issues As experience that we could transmit Is that it was considered As a sub-national government To plan the development of San Martín From a territory perspective And that helped us Not only To get closer and To recover that confidence With our indigenous peoples But also to have results In the issue of reduction of emissions By reduction of deforestation And achievements that we have From that planning With that vision As one of the regions at national level With less deforestation Thank you very much I think we will have to close the panel Because we have a very tight agenda today I want to thank you all I think it was very interesting As you can see, this is a topic That gives for a long time and for many more hours Thank you all