 Hey Dan. Hey Bijan, what's going on? Oh, you know just hanging out ready for Tonight's event. I'm so so very excited because We've got our pride top 10 movie countdown and I think we've got some really awesome movies That have made the list. I don't know what they are yet exactly, but that's what we're here for right That is and I'm hoping that everybody who's joining us If you'd like to chime in with your thoughts as we go through the list You can do so with the Q&A feature that you should have on your screen If you're on your laptop, it's at the bottom or if you're on a iphone or iPad I think it's at the top and feel free We're gonna we had a great list. We got some we got some great guests, too We're gonna help us sort this all out Yes, that's right Well, there's just one problem Dan. What's that? Neither one of us have any superficial knowledge on Pride so we got to get some awesome guests to help us out. That is true. Nobody's perfect We have to you know, we need some help on this, you know who might be perfect for this our friends over at the gay talk 2.0 podcast Tom and Nick Where are you guys? Are you there? Hi guys, we're here Fantastic welcome. Thank you for having us just so that your viewers know who we are. I'm Tom and I'm Nick Thank you for having us. Yeah, no on the show. I'm Nick or Trish. So You can tell I listen quite frequently. Well, you've been on the show, too So it's kind of like different to have you be hosting us now. So I know I'm actually nervous like what Yeah, no worries So To get is started we also have another super special guest who I'm even more excited for if that's possible But the amazing the stupendous the fabulous miss Frank is here to also help us count down these awesome pride movies Oh my god, look at that. Look at the magic Magic of zoom Let me tell you And now if our audience has any questions be sure to use there's a Q&A function You guys can ask us, you know What we're drinking or what what we're what we're doing later tonight, whatever it is you tell us for morons You can tell us No, no drinking honey. Let me tell you what we're drinking now doesn't make what I was drinking before is what really mattered, honey Right now. I'm just sipping ice coffee. You know what I mean? I've got something special. I'm drinking, you know, a really appropriate the times No, but you know one thing one thing to note, too Is if you have any questions, you know, we are at least half of this panel here is our members of the community This is gonna be a safe space for you guys No question is off limits Especially if it has to do with any of the top 10 movies that we're covering today Or if you have any questions in regards to what pride is or what we're doing here tonight So don't be afraid to ask any questions. We'll be more than happy to answer those for you. Well said Tom Thank you So without further ado, I think we should get it started. What about you? Okay, so our first Countdown on our top 10 pride movie countdown is actually a bonus one. It's number 11 a honorable mention Number 11 Loving your PowerPoint The mother of all drag queens people think RuPaul is the mother of all drag queen. No, no, no, no No, no, no, no divine is the mother of all drag queens and there she is I bow before her Yes, I agree. I mean she was the the quince quince essential drag queen Making movies long before RuPaul even hit the scene in New York City And so when you think about movies like this pink flamingo and all of the other things that this amazing Drag Queen did before we lost her is she is a very significant and very powerful and iconic Person in our community. So, you know, so many kids in the scene today in the LGBTQ plus community have no idea Who she is and they wear merchandise with her face on it, right? So the sad reality is I actually had no idea who this was until we had to do this show It's a learning curve and we we appreciate you anyway Doesn't matter. It's okay. I will just say though. There's an amazing store in Provincetown And they sell coasters with design divine space on it and bags and hats and oh, you just died It's absolutely fabulous. Is it spank the monkey or shock therapy? Which one? Neither one Oh, oh, oh, this is my oh god come on work work work work It's not gonna work. It's called the room. It's called the room It's this fabulous amazing store Also John Waters Yeah, John Waters. Oh my god. He's responsible for hairspray. He's responsible for I believe cry baby I believe I may be right baby with Johnny Depp. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean this guy is everything and so many ways used Divine as a muse, you know and think about it, too. I mean when you think about the impact and All of the the influence that she she really Through upon the drag community when you think about she was one of the original drag queens that always use the over exaggerated Eyebrow right and so you see a lot of that influence in drag today And a lot of her aesthetic is is very popular even till this day and I'm talking about where what 30 40 years after the fact Yeah One so much of her drag was truly a political act I mean she would walk down the street in drag in Middle America in the 70s late 60s and people would just be Horrified and She did this in all her Rubinesque beauty and all her confidence and all her fabulousness and really paved the way for so many Really strong lady. That's for sure. Yeah, and if you guys have never I don't know if you guys probably have but John Waters autobiography is one of the great movie makers Especially if I remember correctly the part about Elvis Presley Yes, yeah, it's a great book and he's a he's a very very Smart guy as we know the films that he's done and it's a great book if you ever interested in picking it up I actually went to one of the province town film festival is a fantastic film festival if you can get out to it Yeah, I was at a bar and John Waters showed up You're like I have so many questions Yeah Right now John Waters. I'll buy you all the drinks you want. Yeah, sit down to have a cocktail because we're gonna we're gonna talk Right, that's like seriously what we would all do. Yeah, and this was his breakout This really kind of put him in the forefront in the mainstream this film, which is why I think it's also so important as a pride film and pride movie from a pride Subject and filmmaker, which I think is really really cool Definitely had to be on there for honorable mention and let's move on to number 10 Told you Priscilla another fantastic queen of the desert So this movie I remember I I was very young when I first saw this movie and one of the most Impressionable scenes in this entire movie, which by the way if you haven't seen it Definitely, you have to watch you actually forced me to watch it. You were like you haven't seen this sit down so Seriously, I was like bad gay come here sit down and One of the one of the most like quintess like one of those scenes that just never leaves you is when he is Dressed up to the nines and he is sitting in that heel that's sitting on top of the bus And they're going down the desert road and that that canopy that follows him That was legendary and then I think there was a scene somewhere a fight recall correctly someone was throwing ping-pongs out of their vagina Oh, yes. Oh, please. Let me take over there. So Can we say vagina? I'm sorry Yeah, yeah, we're not just disparaging it. We're not saying it's bad. We're just saying what it's called Um, I'm just I'm not I'm not a huge fan, but I love women, but not in that way But long story short, I will just say that um, Priscilla was also unapologetic and bold for its time it dealt with Discrimination against LGBTQ people in in terms of assumptions around AIDS It dealt with hate crimes it dealt with Fear of being oneself and was the whole precursor to Tuan Fu That's right without it This is the Australian like base that Tuan Fu was built on top of And it's just I just watched it the other night and I just thought god thank god for this movie During this quarantine because you can still be fabulous in a shoe in the middle of nowhere I mean, you know what I mean Seriously And you could never forget like that scenery that imagery never leaves your head for as long as you live because it was just that creative and that iconic Yeah, and I can imagine that every drag queen that came shortly after had shoes Made to look that way Well, there's that iconic moment at the end where they're performing at the hotel that they've been hired at And they turn into these like fabulous drag lizards And fabulous drag Marie Antoinette like people and the whole audience just doesn't get it Meanwhile, all the queens watching are like It truly it truly is it was one of those films that it was groundbreaking because at the time that it came out You didn't have a lot of LGBTQ characters. You know, we didn't have Ellen at that time, right? We didn't have all of these other shows like willing grace and things that came out And so the little bit of representation that you saw in film and tv Were both movies like this characters like divine or or movies like Priscilla queen of the desert Which was very shocking and controversial when it came out back, you know when it did Well, there's that scene in the bar where the three of them walk in in in some sort of Drag geesh as we call it and this very sort of rough woman walks up and says we don't serve your kind here And the response I mean talk about reading but reading to fill it's like It just it brings up the power of Queer performance artists people of transgender identity that also do drag in a world that is unapologetic And very unapologetic in terms of the the fear and discrimination against them and they walk into this bar in full Wild fabulous drag Um and make best friends with everybody in the joint and it's amazing and then you have the ping pong ping pong That the ping pong thing. Oh Maybe we can't go into great detail, but you know, yeah It happens and if you watch the movie, you know exactly what we're talking about as soon as you get to see You can't miss it. Let me tell you you can't miss it All right, I clicked nine, but that was by accident I'm too scared to touch anything to go back because I might go forward. So you ruined your power point. It's terrible Come on, Bijan So before we move forward, you know, I want to take an opportunity to thank both of you guys here You guys are allies amazing allies for even thinking of doing something like this during pride month If you're in the last day of pride and going through such an amazing, you know, array of film, you know, right Representing lgbtq Queerness in film you guys are amazing. Thank you so much for doing that. Thank you guys for joining us I mean, I wish we could have done this, uh, live in the theater It would have been wonderful. It's a beautiful theater and I got a shout out to miss frank Who joined us last year for uh, two wang fu and I I don't know if anyone out there watching saw but uh, It was an awesome event. Uh, miss frank and the amazing kiki lucia Had microphones and we were watching two wang fu and they were Vamping and reading and going throughout the whole movie. Yeah, it sounds like us. I mean, we pretty much read each other on a daily basis Um, you know during this time we're keeping tabs on each other's quarantine weight. That's how much we read each other But in the end, you know, it was an amazing experience. I also want to say thank you so much for for doing this It's so lovely to sit on the last day of pride um, and just sort of think about Uh, the journey that we have up before us and what we've accomplished and sit in a space with loving friends and Um, have some fun. I think yeah, definitely. Definitely. Um, so should we move on or do you guys still want to talk about read some priscilla? I think we beat them all into the bush. Yeah, I think if they don't know we're still a now they just weren't here Number nine the fantastic number nine I love you philip morris Okay So great film. I love this film. This was a film that I had not seen nick made me watch it this morning So we were watching it and um, and it was a very like weird quirky movie And I was like, all right, this has got to be so such an exaggerated plot Of a movie, but I did not realize that this was based on a true story Bingo that I did not know Yeah, I I didn't know and first of all I didn't I had never watched the movie So I didn't even know who philip morris was and let alone, you know the characters that they were playing Uh, but the fact that this was uh, this was based on real events. It was just so Wow Like you want to you want to tell tell everybody out there a little sum up of what it's about So, I mean you have this this con artist per se, uh, who who started off And of course his name is steve, of course And you know, he starts off by by being adopted or his mother like sold him for like a bag Paper bag full of money in a parking lot and he was adopted by these parents He was towed fairly early on in his life that he was adopted He became a police officer And you know, then he had this vision of looking for his mom and then he thought that that was all gonna go Well and when it finally happens it didn't go the way he thought it was Or he thought it would and that sort of kind of sent him in this Spiral spiral of craziness and conning and and you know making millions and constantly being locked up But he always found ways of escaping And and so when I say that it was so bizarre like the whole plot of the movie to then realize that this really happened It really puts like Texas to shame like really like you had a gay man Loving another man in jail who escaped like countless times and you had to sort of kind of figure out how to keep it literally In the end they locked him up for 23 hours a day and he could only come out for one hour a day Just to shower and use the bathroom and eat. That's it Because he was so good at escaping. I've been trying to do that to you for years Honey, no actually, you know, I really a lot of fat here. I will survive. I really I like the movie both I just there are some things about the movie that bother me and I think it's the way that they really they're they're highlighting a lot of things about gay culture that Yes, I mean being gay is expensive. That's one of the lines in the movie But like the reality is there's a lot of really I think beauty in our culture And I don't think that really gets highlighted in the movie And on top of that personally as much as I love the movie and I think it's a great movie and I think everybody should watch it I had a really hard time connecting and with both you and and Jim Carrey I I really didn't connect to their relationship at one point at the end of the movie I cry at everything and Tom's like nick. Are you crying? I was like, no Especially Jim Carrey, right? We're used to seeing Jim Carrey in in roles like, you know, uh pet detective and Yeah, the mask and all of these funny like funny films to see him trying to play Although he was very quirky in the movie trying to play a serious character And let alone like having sex with another man and he's like really like going at it And with that serious face and he's like, you know, I'm about to just, you know Come in you is what he says in the movie. It's very graphic. Yeah. Yeah. I was like Okay, this is a side of Jim Carrey that I've never seen And so it was it took a little adjusting to be able to to see Jim Carrey Become this person like for me You can't get over the fact that it's Jim Carrey, too I mean that's the other means right a lot of those other roles that he's done You know when he's done when it was Andy Kaufman and all those others you sort of you fall into the belief You know, you suspend your disbelief, but in this one, it's like, yeah, that's Jim Carrey You know, I I found it was very hard to like get into it for I think the same reason you guys just said it was I don't know. I mean, which wasn't really I don't think it was anything specific that he did or didn't do it Just was odd in that way. Yeah. Yeah. I I do think however though it did highlight how religion Especially during that time period, but still now Really kind of creates this ignorance around what homosexuality is and how homosexuals actually or anybody in the lgbtq plus I community Live and and and act and move forward in life I think it really shines a light when you know, the wife's like are you guys all like this, you know When they're divorced or you know, is this because you're gay that you're like this conniving con artist Like is that is that you know a gay thing and it's very interesting to me that there's still so much ignorance when it comes to Um when it comes to our community and religion in general Yeah, there certainly is and you know, I think what what frightens me Even now I mean during a pandemic where one would think That we would sort of come together as a humanity not just in terms of being an american citizen But being a member of humanity or of the human family It seems to me that now would not be a time To talk about limiting the rights of other human beings, especially when so many feel that their Their their uh, rights are being infringed upon because they're being asked to wear a mask. I mean, it's amazing It's amazing, but I still agree with what you just said because I think it's sort of highlights What the flaws are in our in our world around these issues and I'm sorry, but no, no, no We also have to keep in mind, you know the era in which these characters are being portrayed in right And that was a sort of kind of ignorance that surrounded, you know People who didn't know much about the lgbt community So I think they did a good job in displaying that in the movie in the sense that Given the era in which all of this occurred That's exactly what the mood and the And the thought was when it came to the lgbt community Would it make sense to See something happening in today's world And being portrayed like this on film. I don't think that it would fly this time around You know, but from a yeah from a sense of of where they were coming from and what they were the story they were trying to tell The they got the error, right? It's just that it's still uncomfortable to see how they portray the community Because of all of the the advances and all of the fight fighting that we have done In the three plus, you know decades since, you know, these events took place in real life Yeah, good point Yeah, I mean I I think I'm I'm with you tom with where I watched it and I couldn't believe it was based on a true story And I think that's what I really liked a lot about it And um, I think also, you know, jim carrey the main character is so like intelligent But um, you know, like it seems that you know, Unfortunately, it's been kind of guided in the wrong direction and he's just doing You know, whatever he doesn't care about the the laws or whatever But again, I think it's a great love story too. Also between the Him and you and mergarious characters. Well, I think it also too like Another point that you just actually like kind of sparked in my head is it kind of shows you what happens to an individual when when they have To fear who they are or fear their sexuality when they have to repress themselves for so long I mean jim carrey was this loving church going family man and he You know had a life-altering experience and he went off the rails because he realized he had spent so much of his life Hiding from who he was in his sexuality. I mean, I think that's something that that that's really important that we can take away from The story as well that we should really embrace ourselves so that we don't find ourselves and I mean Sorry that I'm gonna bring this up But I mean that's why you know drug abuse and alcohol abuse and All different types of issues are so prevalent in the gay societies because we have to We have to repress who we are we have to hide who we are and so for so long We we can't embrace the reality of Our sexuality and I think that this does highlight that a lot Yeah, and even when you do finally embrace who you are and what you're about and find your identity you still Live with the scars of having to do that previously having to hide That's right. You couldn't have said that any better hunting. Oh, yeah And and you know and so so even after you've grown out of that phase. Hey, I came out. I accept who I am I have a loving amazing friendship network. My family accepts me. They love me When you start looking back at your life and you start thinking about what you had to go through to get there Those emotional scars Really do a number on you so even when you have already found yourself you can still find yourself seen being affected by Who you were versus where you are now Yeah Number eight Number eight the fantastic number eight Paris is burning. Oh my god. Let me tell you If this movie Is not Of vital importance now. I don't know when it is Um as important You know the drag community in in I think specifically the drag community um And particularly the white drag community has sort of adopted um the language and the culture in the ball scene That was 100 developed by our black and brown brothers and sisters and those in between When their lgbtq plus movement had to go underground Because they weren't included Can you explain to everybody who's watching a little bit about what the ball scene is and was? Yo, yes, so the ball scene Really came out of oppression that um Of course the um as we know the lgbtq movement gay liberation movement, let's just say Um what was really incited by two trans women of color Sylvia Rivera and marsha p johnson And yet for decades, they did not really receive their due You today I signed on to google and there's marsha p johnson's face and I thought girl it took too long It took too long for people to recognize who you are I'm Sylvia Rivera started Sylvia's place in um in uh health kitchen. Um, it was one of the first lgbt youth culture Um lgbt youth shelters, excuse me um that she started and so These individuals although they were central to our movement. They were not Celebrated even in our movement. They were sort of pushed aside and forgotten about and so they're part of the movement went underground They're part of the movement really sort of um Um Developed the idea of the strong family unit. That's the idea of the house Like the house of la beja right in the house of fantastic and so on and so forth and this This was the family unit for these amazing individuals. This is the base of pose You know, that's an amazing show that so many think are fabulous They don't really understand the struggle that was beneath all of this Um, and I think it's important too to know like when you say family We talk a lot about chosen family in the lgbt community Because a lot of people especially during this time They they were forced to leave their homes their their family wasn't accepting of them So when we say family we really actually are speaking about our chosen family the family that we grew up with that We embraced our lives with that's right and now the kids, you know today um, you know young drag artists Um, and they have to be young because you know us old queens can't do this stuff anymore with our needs But I will say that they come out and doing all sorts of amazing voguing moves And I'm not sure that all of them really understand where the base of that comes from um, and the understanding that these individuals Um created a whole world of love and acceptance for people in their community Where it could never be found anywhere else That's um, you know if you if you've not watched pose, you know when candy was was killed You know this this is direct story lines taken out of life that you know on a daily basis We're still dealing with trans women of color being murdered. Oh, yeah um, and this film Is at the core of that struggle and that experience And I just thank the universe for this film because it reminds me Who I am How I can become a part of that movement as an ally and not speak for people But recognize that I can Give up some of my white privilege platform to them To speak about what they want their movement to be um And beyond it simply being a fabulous movie and funny And some of the characters being so irreverent and fabulous. Um, there's some real Gut humanity going on in this film Uh, and I just love it. I just love it and you know and another thing to note too is that it was as a result of Paris's burning and the underground You know a vogue scene and and ballroom scene that artists like Madonna were able to Grasp on so when you think about when this film was released It was right around the time the Madonna released the song vogue And right around the time she went on her blonde ambition tour And so all of that influence that you see from the underground became mainstream Due to the fact that you know, you had artists like Madonna taking This culture and appropriating it and throwing it out and and you know, all of a sudden now everybody wanted to vogue, right? That's right Like between 1990 and 1992 if you weren't vogue and you didn't know what you were doing at all in life Mm-hmm. That was pretty much it. I still like voguing, you know, it's like I do it. It's amazing, you know And wait, can I see that one more time? Your whole background is actually voguing with you, I think You're just darling, what a cutie pie You're doing some pulp fiction thing going on over there like I'm still working on my splits though It's not as hot as the bars I think you know This film is the one that I you know, I always hear it gets it's certainly such a landmark film And I think it's always the one that just about I won't say it's completely universally cited but um, it's always the one that people refer to there's a couple of others along that line As being the one that really just opened their eyes to To the subject really um, and it was it was it 90 was it was really latest 1992. I thought it was a little earlier than that It was night. It was september 13th 1990 actually 1990. Yeah, it was it was based on on It was it was based on the 1980s, right? On what was going on in the 80s in the ballroom scene, but yeah It was released right around when Madonna came out with vogue. Yeah And might I just say although I pay my complete respect and admiration to RuPaul and everything he's done Or she's done excuse me for for our community, you know in RuPaul's drag race I'm not sure the kids really understand when they have that reading challenge and she says reading is fundamental This is a direct quote from this film. Yeah A direct quote that this is not something that was just created in the last 10 years Reading is fundamental because this is how you survived In in in in this world and the same survived by being Um by being bad and being fabulous and being feared but also being Cut throat but also being maternal Right and also being a sister or a brother or something in between to someone in your community. It's fascinating And that that was one of the things that we understood growing up right that when you found community Even though we knew that we were going to have um, you know disagreements and that all humans fight We understood the importance of family because this was our chosen family and so we chose to Display our our disapproval or our challenges On the dance floor and by reading people and saying, you know, oh, hey girl You know, I can read you to filth, but then at the end of it We're gonna come out. Okay, right? That's how we settled our battles This is how we fought our battles as opposed to you know, whipping out your fist and really punching each other's Lights out. Um and although you always have, you know, your fights here and there and that happens anywhere We knew and this community knew the importance of family and which is why they chose to make it very How would I say In your face but not in a in a bad way and so to watch someone vogue In competition or read each other to filth on the floor Was something that was very entertaining And people laughed because they knew that it came from a place of love most time. That's right That's right. That's right. I think I think this is one you could argue should have been higher on the list. Yeah I think so. I yeah, I think so and if I might just share My friend jujubee um when she was on rupal drag race She shared the best read and if I may share it with you I loved her was talking about raven, you know her Dear sister raven from the show and she said legendary. You think you are Legendary all I see is leg and dairy now that's just That is reading. I mean that's just But it's it's as they were saying it's just it's from a place of love and sisterhood and um You know, nobody nobody takes it to heart, you know I mean some do but for the most part Oh, yes, I'm do honey. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I've seen some faces on rupal's drag race after being read and they're like really Did you like how did you say that to me? Yeah, right exactly the truth hurts the truth hurts. You know what I mean? It does it does, you know Um, I just want to people call me the uncle fester of drag. I mean it hurts, but it's true I haven't done the light bulb thing in a long time, you know I Miss frank, I just want to also give a shout out if you're if anyone's interested in the more of the og drag queens I saw a great documentary on neck flicks called the death and life of marsha p johnson, which everyone should give a watch It's very very good. Yes. Yes. Really wonderful. Um, what are we up to? Number number seven we have to number seven lucky number seven Lucky number seven boys. Don't cry Yeah, it's a heavy one It is it is a very heavy movie hillary swank was amazing in this movie Yeah, um, I really felt her struggle when she was trying to like suppress Um, you know trying to like hide and and like push her breast in Because she wanted to look more boyish in this movie And then you know you start seeing other movies that sort of kind of took this The storyline and went with it. I mean I think um I thought it was a man to binds that did a movie as well and where she had to dress up as a boy She wanted to play like soccer or something and that was a not. Yeah. Yeah And and when you think about what again, this is another movie that for its time was ahead of Of the curb when it came to messaging and talking about, you know, the struggles of and especially like lesbian women trying to uh, assimilate into Heteronormal society, right? And it was true. It was masterfully done. She was incredible um, and you know I I hate the fact that we don't see more of her. I mean after a million dollar baby I really haven't seen much of her afterwards But this this film truly was one of those lgbtq films that when I saw it at my age I was just like wow Yeah, I feel about it, you know and think about what happened prior to this movie about how so many times Cross-dressing was played for laughs, right? Like tootsie and I mean even going all the way back to like Milton burl putting on like a bride It was it was always played as you know, sort of like the the high The high concept gag that you would see in a lot of movies and You know, it's a complete 180 and I think this this movie really came out of nowhere Because of her performance, but also, you know, it was just um, this was right around the time if I'm remembering correctly of the laramy project Uh, and and that and all that that was going on. I think that that whole uh, you know Feel for what was going on. You don't see too many of those those types of comedies anymore, right? I mean when was the last time you saw someone who dressed up and dragged for a laugh? Uh in a in a major emotional picture Uh, it's you know, it's it's changed. It's a sea change for how the subject is treated Well, that's why you know, I think what I appreciated about what Hilary swank did is that she did not play a stereotype She played the humanity of the issue You know, the real base humanity of the issue and afforded the individual that she played the dignity they deserved um, and I remember when she won her Oscar for this and there was a big shock that Wow, she won an Oscar for playing this person and a story that we often don't see and that we often don't tell Um, as you were saying Dan effectively at the time or appropriately or respectfully Um, I really think that she is one of the most gifted actors of our time Um, and I really hope we see her soon. I mean when it's really incredible. She hasn't done more. It really is amazing Yeah, but you know something the movie industry is tough people are tough People are mean and people are cruel and it seems to me that um It's sometimes better to get out of it than to stay in it. You know what I mean? Well, they tried for a little bit to shoehorn her into one of the you know, those like, um Those you know action type movies, which is just not really her thing. I don't think She's much better off and things like million dollar baby and this which are much more character studies than Yeah, the Hollywood machine. I think is is too much for for most You know, it's too much. I just want to tell you guys that what was interesting to me From this movie was it was so difficult Finding female centric Kind of granted. This is about you know transition and uh a trans character But you know looking at all these lists. I was like, there's nothing from a female or like a even a lesbian type Movie, they're just like not out there. It's like a black hole of like and I'm really really surprised that you know, uh At least, you know in the lgbtq community that there isn't more films based on a female perspective It's all so male Heavy and so I was like, I feel like I need to include this movie just for a little bit of you know A change of perspective, you know, but I when I really again what you guys are all set about is just so true And I think if I could Just one second. There's an amazing film And I'm not sure as many people know about it and it is a satire. I mean it is at at the core It is a satire But as we know, I mean satire lifts the truth to the surface. It's called but I'm a cheerleader Oh, sure. Yeah. Oh, yes. I've seen that. Yep. Yes, and it is Raw and frightening And you will laugh your behind-off But it's one of those films that you'll be laughing at it and you'll say very dark But this shit is true. This shit takes place at it pray the gay away camp Yeah, yeah, and it just it highlights the Hypocracies of of those running that camp and and centers around this one young woman Who comes out as a lesbian to her very sort of christian rite family and they ship her off Um, and I can't say it's a more mainstream movie. So it may not have came up, you know But it's a great movie and I suggest it to people watching um to really get a sense of The level of crazy and hypocrisy that goes on in these pray the gay away camps um That you know in some ways are still very active, which is very frightening So we'll just call that one honorable mention number 12. Yeah I love what people list and we'll do part two So I name my earing. I name my earing an honorable mention honorable mention 13 This ring No, so one thing I wanted to mention too. This was one of the first times that a box office movie One of the few times that a successful box office movie touched on a character that talked about transgender transgender and and and that that process and and how people You know go through that that evolution, right? And so it was a very important film when it comes to talking about the the The the journey for transgender men and women in our community Because mainstream america got firsthand look at The feeling and and the notion of of what people go through internally what people think and how they function And and how they how they navigate A heteronormal society while trying to transition at the same time. So it's it was overall an amazing film yeah We move along guys. What a good number. We up to it. I've called six All right, what do we have for number six kinky bones? You want to talk about humanity? You know the core of of one's heart and how you read that is is just you know What this movie's all about so wonderful. So so I have I have to admit I have not seen this Oh, you got to watch kinky. That's okay. It's fabulous. Have you seen so you haven't seen the Broadway musical? Have you? I have I have not seen the movie Okay, I mean it's very close. I mean, it's very very close. The storyline is is almost identical Um, but you know what I love about this is that at the core of it You're looking at you know a town in britain that's on a you know socioeconomic downturn a shoe factory that um You know it's been in business for decades and now is closing The main character of the film his father dies and leaves him the shoe factory. He doesn't know what to do The workers aren't really 100 behind him. He's sort of We can unsure of himself And one night he goes and gets drunk and he leaves the bar and he sees a bunch of men Beating up on what he believes to be a woman and he goes over and kind of Shoves them off and they punch him out and he wakes up And there's this person sitting in a mirror in a dressing room And he realizes pretty quickly that this person is lola And this person is an amazing drag artist and lives every day as a woman as well And both of these characters help each other through Um a point in their lives where they are coming to terms with their different levels of truth um and This amazing sort of in somewhat very conservative male um Shoe factory is turned into an amazing Factory for shoes that men wear and drag Um, and it is an actual shoe factory. It is a based on a true story. I believe it is still there It's called the kinky boot factory And they make boots for men who cross-dress men who do drag Transgender women because we know that sizes are very different And widths of calves and widths of ankles and and so on and so forth. And so they really do an amazing service To the community and it also speaks to i'm sorry i'm talking too much. I talk. No, you're not. You're a nail yet I know she's gone. Um, what's also. Well, thank you darling the checks in the mail. Thank you I will just say that I think it's what's also fantastic is that this um, the employee base of this shoe factory is very much representative of the working poor um, and underrepresented and underserved and they are uneducated. Yeah, right, right exactly and they are lifted up by this lola character who puts herself In harm's way more than once in the film to prove herself To these individuals and in the end they defend her and so what it really talks about at the core is The ability of human beings to rise up And recognize each other's humanity And fight for each other and if we don't need that now I don't know when we need it It's one of my favorite films and the Broadway musical is brilliant written by cindy lopper and rv fire scene And I mean just those two alone no matter what they did. I mean they couldn't make a sandwich. I'd go see it But it really is a brilliant film and I hope that if you haven't seen it that you do because it'll be a real fun night That's for sure. Yeah, you know, it's really interesting adding this one because I think you hit the nail right on the head Miss frank but like this along with other films you see a lot of the same kind of themes where it's like people who are just so Like ignorant and separated and how exposure Just changes their complete dynamic and I think that that's also what I always really appreciated about this film And other ones and I actually didn't even know it was based on a true story So I'm gonna have to check out that film. I had no idea about that I don't know the factory is still in existence. I don't know but I and of course during the pandemic who knows But I think uh at least was for a while. I think well, we certainly have time to check So my next question was going to be for you miss frank. Do you own a pair of kinky boots? So listen, I had them specially made because I am a rubinesque beauty Um, and I am a smart drag queen. I am I'm calling attention to Jean Paul Rubens who painted nudes of Voluptuous women and so I am a Rubinesque beauty and so therefore the thigh is not as thin as it could be You know what I'm talking about and so I had to have them made properly But I most certainly do it comes right up to my buttocks and goes all the way down to the floor and it's maybe a six inch heel Again, wow, I said it before you better work Well, when I wear them I better be getting paid. That's all I gotta say because Two weeks afterwards. I feel like my legs are gonna fall off. But anyway Should we move along? We should we should we should Number five We're getting down halfway there Ah Yes, yeah, you know what I find amazing about this movie is as I remember Um, I think I was I might have been in high school Um, there was that great documentary called the times of Harvey milk Which I think was the first time that I had ever heard the story. I'm almost positive was in high school And so, uh, there was a huge gap between that film I mean Harvey milk and his passing and the film that was made that documentary And then the making of this film, which of course Sean Penn won the Oscar for Um, I'm a little surprised that it actually took them that long Only because the documentary is phenomenal Uh, I've seen it many times. Harvey Fierstein narrates it Uh, and it's you know, it's all it's all actual footage and interviews with with Harvey milk Uh, and the story is so, uh, you know, I mean it lends itself obviously to a film But the fact that of course again true story and uh, and he was such a larger than life character I mean, it's amazing that this movie was 2005. I think Uh, so you had almost 20 years passed between the documentary and this and I guess it just speaks to them being You know, Hollywood being ready to tackle the subject Well, I think you said it right In the fact that you mentioned that he was a larger than life character, right? And so you needed a larger you need the Perfect actor to be able to to play this larger than life character And I don't think that anyone other than Sean Penn would have been able to do that. I agree, right? And and so I think that's so much like it was hard to figure out who else they could have gotten I know it's frightening. It's like it's amazing. Yeah, you know, and you think about uh, Harvey Milk's story, right? I mean when you think about the caster and you think about, you know, uh, San Francisco and and back in the 60s Uh, this was a pre like Stonewall and and all of the issues that were happening and the rioting that was happening there as a result of police brutality on the community there in the Castro But what you're the most important part that I take from Harvey Milk's story is how We finally got a voice in the political process, right? We're always talking about change We're always talking about how can we as a community come together and make change One of the most important things that we can do is to have a seat at the table That's what Harvey did, right? He was one of the first characters or one of the first gay people to ever hold Office in a major city, uh, which then gave us a seat at the table And what that started was an avalanche of people seeking to you know, going for positions of social justice and And and that is what what I think his legacy is he gave us a seat at the table It may have been at a small level, but when we see ourselves today and we see how many members Of lgbtq members we have in local legislation and in congress now It is incredible to see and we owe it all to the work that this man did That's right. And you know might I also say, you know, this is the time and I refuse to say her name because I think she is You know incarnate, um You know miss florida orange groves queen. I'll say her name. Why not? I need a freaking brian Oh, um, I will just say, you know, this is the woman that got educators Like jose julio saria The first lgbt person to run for political office in san francisco and did not win and then started the international court system Which has 70 chapters in united states, canada and mexico that raises money for charity millions of dollars over 50 years um He was personally targeted by her And there's an iconic video of a man Hitting anita brian in the face with a pie And I thought Every time I see that It's it's literally one of the best things i've ever watched happen in my life And of course, you know, we don't advocate for violence in any way, but there was something about it that said You are You know as a as a beauty pageant queen as she was and all the tv spots she did for the florida orange growers You're gonna tell me that a queen never did your makeup girl You're gonna tell me a queen never did your hair. You're sure liked him when they made you look good So I this is the time. I mean, this is who harvey milk and his camp were working against this sort of Very dangerous rhetoric And I teach a course. I run a theater department at a college in springfield messachusetts and I teach a course called theater and society and we watch that clip When we're talking about the lgbtq plus theater movement Um, and these are college students in the 21st century and they were shocked They said I cannot believe he threw a pie in her face. Oh, yeah, I mean on national Television, it was glorious. Oh, yes, it was glorious. That's a wonderful word. It was glorious. It was glorious Yeah, but but because of her rhetoric dangerous rhetoric and because of those that Perhaps could not be themselves and felt that they were Um being threatened by this amazing man. This is why this amazing man and We forget as well and the mayor of san francisco were murdered um I'll watching that video of diane feinstein coming down and saying You know harvey milk and the mayor are dead and people gasping. I mean this this was um A very frightening time. I just wanted to mention her because we can and the uh and the twinkie defense And the twinkie defense and the twinkie defense. Yes And to think diane feinstein is still And a very uh like vocal active member of congress. Uh, she's in the senate. I believe right and And she still represents, you know that district. Yeah, it's it's incredible. Well, and nancy polosi Just started Just started work. I think she was in the state legislature for a few years when that happened Yeah, she was there. I mean, it's just there are iconic um politicians and leaders in in the midst of our lives now that Know what it felt like to live through this horrible atrocity of this man being murdered um on on public grounds Yeah, I think it happened right in city hall. It did, right? Yeah, right And and you know a lot of people also need to understand too that um um as a result of his death and and what the concept of the of the AIDS quilt Was devised as a result of the All of the memorials that were left in city hall when this man was killed That's right. All these lovely messages of love and acceptance and and condolences And and the concept of the AIDS quilt itself was born out of that Yeah, and which was displayed, you know, many decades later in the 90s in our national mall. So um, that's it's just incredible And now there is um one of our navy ships Is called the us. That's harvey milk. That's right. Yeah, and that is just Beyond Yeah Honestly before I saw this movie is uh, I forget what year it came out But um this I had no idea who harvey milk was until I saw this movie And what I love about watching movies is you kind of get more information. So, you know, afterwards I Did research and was like, oh, okay, and it kind of opened up a door to Understanding the history behind at least san francisco and that type of uh, you know Politics and movement and what harvey milk represents. So that that's why I thought it deserved a spot on the list And with that, let's continue on to number four Yay What should what could it be? What could it be? Moonlight. Oh, yeah, well, I love this movie. Uh, you sure that la la land shouldn't be up here instead so I was just about to say that right because I didn't see this movie But I know about it, uh, and I have to watch it. I'm a bad gay. I have to watch it But the reason why I know exactly what movie this is was because of that faux pas that happened at the oscars Right, all right, where they they announced the wrong Movie as the academy award winner went in reality. It was moonlight that won the academy was it warn baby Who did it? Was it worn? Well, at least it wasn't. What's his name? Um, what's the one that screwed up the the Oh, it was warn baby warn baby and fade down away. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, come on I mean, I just and you and they were so gracious Mm-hmm when they realized it wasn't them. I mean, I think I would have just if I had a wig on I would have ripped it off I mean I I don't know how I would have reacted because the film is so brilliant and is so raw and real and it deserved the oscar Yeah, a beautiful shot. It's a beautiful shot film I think it's also really important to note that like what this film does for The black and brown community is really highlight how It's difficult for everybody to be a part of our community and come out and race yourself But there's something and I've had many conversations with guests that we've had on the show with just individuals in my life but Growing up in the black and brown community and being a part of the lgbtq plus community There's another level of of difficulty and and and family struggles and religion and Stigmatism, yeah, it's just It comes with every, you know race or religion But the reality is I feel like the black and brown community feel it a lot more. Yeah, there's there's this You know that this this flavor for for wanting to be super macho and wanting to be super Like hetero and you know and when you think about how that how they integrate that That perception with religion and how that is passed down to their children and then how they are brought up to think that you have to be tough that you have to be you know Stronger than anyone else just because of of the color of your skin to begin with and then you add that extra layer Like you said it just takes that level of stress for someone coming out in the black and brown community To the stratosphere. I mean it is just unbelievable The level of of hardship that one goes through emotionally mentally and socially and Psychologically Right. I mean, you know, I I always say You know to be gay is tough To be black and gay is a hundred times more difficult to be black and gay and poor is impossible Yeah Because not only do you lack the financial means to access affordable housing? Good food healthcare and education Uh, you know public safety. I mean you name it, right? You also lack The You do not lack fear when you leave your house every single day I mean if you have a house if you have a house if you have a house exactly Um leaving where you live just to go to the corner store You really have to think So so again To be gay and black and and underrepresented therefore Is just almost impossible and that's why the black lives matter movement is so important and why it's so important now Because I have benefited in ways that I cannot even describe simply by being A white person. Yes. I'm too spirited. Yes. I'm not on the binary. Yes. I have been targeted for other things But let me tell you without our brothers and sisters and those in between of color. There would be no movement That's right and when When people come for one group and they are successful it makes it easier to come for other groups That is absolutely true. And so we have to be behind Uh the movies like this and this movement and support it and lift it up and give it space in Our lives if we have privilege Because it very simply is the human thing to do Yep, absolutely. I'm 100 percent. What do you guys think about the whole um, you know, the lord knows the academy The motion picture on size academy has been accused of being insensitive to Particularly racial issues, but other issues as well. They are Which of course they are. You're right. Absolutely, right But I always think about that in the sense that you guys remember that maher shall Mahershala Ali won the oscar for this film Then he wins again for green book and in green book He he ends up apologizing because it was sort of like the uh, you know, he was um It was the white savior white savior And and he ended up having almost literally actually at the beach in creptin from wrong He did apologize to the family of the guy he portrayed Because he you know, he didn't realize that it was going to have that much of an impact and look This was only a couple of years before that He got all the accolades deservedly so from moonlight and then he you know, he's a working actor He takes a job doing a green book wins another oscar And all of a sudden now it's a complete 180 like don't get you know, don't get too big for your uh For your bridges type of thing, which I find incredible That in the span of just a couple of years that could that could flip like that So, you know, like you guys are saying there's there's a long way to go and if you are uh, you know If you have all those strikes against you, I think that's you know, everybody feels that you're absolutely right and You know talking about the academy and why this movie was so important two quick things You know people made fun of halleep berry when she won her oscar because she was so emotional You know, they made fun of her and said oh girl get it together. They didn't understand the the Ceiling the glass ceiling that was battered And how serious that was and they also conveniently forgot people like haddie mcdaniel Won an oscar for playing An indentured forced to be in slavery person human being And they refused to allow her in the building Until they read her name and she was allowed to walk in the building and accept it and then leave I mean it's it's The academy Does have a bias and the academy does have a privilege And I think you're dan is right to talk about what happened to maershala That's a whole separate show the haddie mcdaniel It is because I think these films though, you know monsters ball And gone with the wind. I mean how many years apart from each other Speak to the issues that you're mentioning dan that you know, why is it? Now you can't uh, you know, there was you guys read um gone with the wind was pulled from Yes, HBO and then put back with a disclaimer Yeah, which you would think of every if there's any movie that everybody's practically seen over the course of the last 80 years It's gone with the wind and we know it's a it's a love song to the confederacy. I mean everybody knows that it's uh It's amazing how you know, they finally realized. Okay. Now we have to do this Yeah, I find that they knew it before they knew it before you just didn't want to say anything about it You want to bother? You know and when you think about you know black and brown people winning awards period At the oscars was long and hard. You had to really like throw a stone very far to find someone that won I mean aside from what you've already mentioned you think about people like sydney portier How long did we have to go before we got monsters ball? And we got Halle Berry and we think of denzel washington Um and and these these amazing actors that viola davis. Yeah, uh, and and now viola davis That's right. Uh that had to wait Decades and eons to ever even have a chance of winning best actor, right? Yeah, it was not one of those categories that typically was awarded to someone of color That's right And so to see it now and to see people like viola davis and you see sydney portier And you know have halle berry and her reaction and denzel washington It is momentous because it's very few times it happens in history and we didn't get to see it now And I hope that with someone with a person of color at the helm now At the oscars that will start to see that change Yeah, you know not that I think this we can we can move on to the next one But I just important to note that when moonlight won the best picture It didn't win best director You guys remember that la la land did win best director Which which is not I mean it's it's a little more common recently But if you go back and look at the history of the awards Very rarely do they split those two awards up. So you still have never had a personal color win a best director oscar That'll be the next hurdle to I guess to climb over All right number three we're getting there This is one of my favorite films call me by your name. Um, such a beautiful Really? Oh, you got to it's fantastic Um, I'll sum it up for you It's basically a bit of a coming of age story about I can't remember how old he is supposed to be at like 17 18 I thought he was 16 or 17. I think yeah, it's he's 17 he's 17, but um, it's basically about a boy somewhat coming of an age story falling in love with uh It's his profession. It's a much older man who comes and stays Uh, and they're in france, but I mean it has such a powerful ending in my opinion What you're saying is it's my fantasy to move to france and fall in love with a 50-something year old Well, I mean it's it's a doctor. Okay. It's a 17 and a 24 year old. So Oh, it's not that big of a gap, but but because he's 17 there is I mean like this innocence and um He very much looks so much younger and he hasn't grown into himself yet. So there's something powerful in that message Sure And the thing I find the thing I like about this just from like the movie the movie perspective is um, you know the screenplay For this film was by james ivy. You guys remember james ivy was the director of our room with the view and Howard's end And remains of the day and he was nominated every time he made a movie He was nominated for best director for the merchant ivy films never won He writes the screenplay for this one and he wins an oscar And and we actually were very lucky. We he was one of the first um first Filmmaker celebrities we had at the bed for play house He came we were screening the remains of the day And uh, he he believe it or not. He happened to be in the area. It's heard. We were doing it and came by And uh, very nice man Very very nice guy and I just you know, he's really one of those people that it's it's amazing that he won the award for that I mean, it certainly was earned. I mean, it was a it was a great script um But you know, it's almost like they you almost feel like they gave it to him because they felt bad not having given it to him for all The other stuff he did in his career Um, the very very nice guy and we also had timothy shallow make um, we did have timothy shallow man That's right. So we were two people from the film. So maybe that's why I moved it up So so hired a little shame with self-promotion because you met him right because you actually got you actually met timothy shallow man That's why I did. Yes. I was like he's very nice and he's dead both these actors do a fantastic job in in this really Incredible film. So it really is. I mean for an oscar nominated film an oscar winning film it really kind of flew under the radar I mean, it's you don't you don't see it cited very often, but it is a really really good movie I mean, and it's um, I don't remember timothy shallow man before this film I don't remember what he had done or if he you know, he must have done something But this is the one that puts him on the map. He was a lady bird. I think that's what I'd seen him Yeah, but that was kind of the same. It was they were they were simultaneous. Like the word was the same year. Yes So yeah, I mean he he really he showed up on the scene with this film too and I thought it was great. I liked it a lot Let's move along. We're getting close number two My favorite So again, wouldn't be a too long food without a priscilla. That's for sure. That's very true very true Very loosely based on priscilla queen of the desert and their journey going through middle america and finding friendship love and all of that amazing Awesome stuff Not to mention the incredible characters, right when you think about patrick's wazy and westley snipes and And john lung was on a dressed up as drag queens and you know going from new york city to hollywood It was definitely going to be an amazing ride, right a funny amazing ride Obviously if this movie was made today would be problematic and probably canceled But it was made in the 90s, you know, and I watched it in the movie theater and I can tell you I was probably the loudest person in that theater Mainly because I appreciate I'm sorry. Go ahead Mainly because of Watching westley snipes just become noxema jackson in this film was one of the Most fulfill fulfilling experiences this gay boy sitting in that movie theater would have ever had Yeah, I so agree and I what I appreciate as well is that These characters were played by three heterosexual men. Yes and in particular westley snipes Um and um, um, oh my god Sound like a swazy patrick swazy You know these like sort of sex symbols, especially is patrick swazy from dirty dancing and all this stuff Really, I read an article once that their their Their agents said don't do this film it'll ruin your career Um, and they did it and I I will say I appreciate the way that they did it Because I didn't see them playing a stereotype. I saw them playing real human beings I didn't see them making fun of themselves or the character that they played I think that they loved the characters that they played Um, and there was vulnerability um, and again dealing with A family not accepting you dealing with a lot of fear dealing with chosen family dealing with um, you know the idea of earning a title that changes your life And how destiny, you know sets you on your path and You know chi chi especially being that young queen who needs family and love and direction and um It's just so many lines in this movie so many lines in this movie. I absolutely love literally like a boy drag Why are you crying? All the time all the time, you know, and then there's another one I was like, I um she goes like she's trying to read the map. She's at bala, but it's bala kenwood. It's welsh Yeah, right Welsh girl And they finally get to the parents house and and you know, you see noxie in the car sitting there And they're like, oh, there will be a barbecue at 12 votes tonight It's it's such it's so wonderfully Written, but there was a lot of things in this movie that Looking back at it knowing the the kind of culture that we're in now There's a lot of things in this movie that are problematic Like for example rube paul coming out in that gown at the beginning with the confederate flag as a dress It's it's there's a lot of things in this movie, but it's a fantastic film very funny. Um, of course You know, uh, when you think about Um, what happens in the town and how people evolve on their stances and their views and that is what I thought was so powerful It was and stalker channing So She's so amazing amazing. So our character we have a we have a strawberry festival and Well, everyone bakes pies and then we go to the center of the town and we eat the pies and Then everybody goes home You know and and uh, but stalker channing's character was seriously underrated It was such an amazing character and and and in the end where she says, you know, she looks at vita and she goes adam's apple Oh, you know Women don't have adam's apples, but I noticed that when you came into town you had yourself a marvelous adam's apple And she says Vita, I don't see you as a man. I don't see you as a woman I see you as an angel And that was beautiful. There was a lot of amazing messages in this movie And and definitely it's it's right up there is one of my top lgbtq films me too of all time Yeah, that's another one. I saw very young and I think uh, it definitely had an effect on me And I think that's uh, what I love about films and a lot of these movies is that You you know, you get exposed to them and you gain empathy from them and you gain uh, kind of understanding and appreciation and uh, I definitely don't think I'd be the person I Am right now if it wasn't for too long food. So thanks for everything Yeah, exactly. And let's talk with this one in college. Yes Right the cameos the cameo and we talked about ruPaul. We talked about dr. Channing robin williams That's right. I mean these amazing brilliant people. I mean who had these little cameo roles And they were just so brilliant. What was his name in the in the his role was john hammersmith or something like that? jingle Yeah And she looks at john ling was almost character and goes I'm like, why couldn't that be me? Why couldn't you be looking at me? You describe her in one word and not use that to ask Okay, you can't It's just overall is an amazing movie and and and also think about all of the characters uh that that in the beginning in the contest were um Were um featured you think about lady kateria. For example, who's no longer with us. She was an amazing Queen that was doing amazing work out of squalita new york and unfortunately died of AIDS Um shortly after that film, uh lady bunny lady bunny was in there you think of um Uh, who was the there was another one that was in there. Oh my god. She's um Coco peru peru. Yeah, that's right. A lot of a lot of big iconic drag names were in that film as well And uh to see them perform. It's just you know amazing and to see everything just just the journey And if I might say the next time you see the movie at the beginning when they're all in the drag competition The camera pans over to the side of the stage and there's a couch And there's a little old lady drag queen Sitting there in a mantilla And in all black And that is jose julio saria who I mentioned before Who people knew was mama jose who started the international court system And she is sitting right there her hands little folded looking over the proceedings You'll see it. You can't miss her it goes fast. Um, but I invite you when you watch the movie again To to watch that and and before we just move on because I know I have to say this line Otherwise, I'll kill myself for it. One of my all-time favorite lines, of course is when they're handing RuPaul the envelope of who the winners are she just looks down at the guy and says Honey, I don't know who you are or where you're from But if there's a snowstorm tonight, you are going on my tires on my tires RuPaul this was RuPaul when she painted her own face honey And that's a read. Anyway Love you RuPaul. Love you girl. Thank you for all you do All right, so we got to have a drum roll for number one Ah Yeah, I mean we got so many requests for this and it's been I you know, we actually haven't screened it. So we haven't we were in the theater We we'd probably be screening it now, but I wonder if people know that this is based on a french film right La caja foe and A Broadway musical la caja foe which opened in the 80s the height of the AIDS crisis and is responsible for Broadway Cares equity fights AIDS um In boston opened in boston to a very conservative audience and somehow A bunch of straight people stood up at the end watching two men dance into the sunset And so this movie wouldn't exist if it weren't for that film and that that amazing musical Yeah, I think it's it's The most mainstream probably of the entire list that we've looked at right? And I and I remember seeing it in the theater And you know, certainly because I think it has robin williams Um and nathan lane who was just kind of becoming Nathan lane at that point in his career um and and you know robin williams being the foil Uh, which you don't really expect, you know up to that point. Um, you know, and yeah at that point It was it was la caja foe and I think that a certain a certain, you know section of the audience Recognized that and was intrigued by it, but I you know and it's and it's mike mickelson elaine may Uh, who are involved in the production of it. So I mean what what could go wrong? I mean, uh, I know I know it's almost uh In that sense, I think they really they were very smart in how they package this to make it You know, whether people once they were in and watching You know and and got the got the gist of what was happening Whatever they thought of it then it was a great way of getting people into the theater To to see it, you know, and you also have for example actors like gene hackman and diane wiss and and and callous The flock heart which at the time was going through his little controversy when she started dating Um, harris says forward. Yeah. Yeah. And uh, and so there was a lot of characters in this movie that really truly made it The success it was when it hit films, but just the genius of the Of the dialogue in the movie Was incredible and and when you think of characters like, um, like, uh Agatha Spartacus. Oh my god, you know that I hate these shoes. They make me fall down Oh, I don't wear shoes. He goes like i'm coming. Oh, may I take your purse for the first time Wait, well, may I take your purse as usual or for the first time? Yeah it was He was incredible and um, and of course robin williams the late robin williams, uh, man is just a comical genius Yeah, uh christine bransky christine bransky bransky. Yeah, it's a great cast And and the scene the scene that I always remember because I just for some reason I just found it to be the funniest one of all You guys remember when he he puts on the suit And he's gonna he's gonna play it straight for for for the family and he's got the pink socks on Oh my god When he sits down and he puts his leg up you see he's wearing the pink socks and the look on robin williams's face When he sees that it's just I think the great one of the best sight gags in the entire movie Because his eyes just bugged out of his head. It was I just always remember that because uh, and it said something You know, I mean it was it was it was trying to say something. I uh, he responds with what? Well one day I need a hint of color Right, what? Well, you know what I loved about this too and I might get a little teary-eyed for this and I'm sorry um I love that at the end when this conservative republican senator is is trying to get away Um from this drag bar They dress him in drag and his wife and his daughter and everybody and in that moment They become his family Because they saved him They saved him and they knew the way the world was and they gave of their love and their talents To a person who in some ways probably limited or worked to limit their civil rights And they saved his life And he is indebted to them for the rest of his life at the end of that movie That's the most powerful thing, you know beyond, you know, any of the iconic comments for me It's that moment that lgbtq plus people Have historically saved those That have not saved them Or that won't go to bat or that won't that We will reach out and I say I we because I feel I am a part of that community We reach out a hand to people and say it's okay When we often have never been offered that hand And so I love that film and I love again that Nathan Lane in my opinion didn't play a stereotype. He played this very conflicted Unloved Uncomfortable Iconic drag queen who just wanted to be loved and accepted And who doesn't want that drag queen or not and who doesn't want to be I think it's also great There are so many little subtle jokes that They barely acknowledge In the course of the film, but but but they're there like and and they're bossy bossy. Yeah, right, right One of my favorite kid The one I never picked up on it took me forever I must I hadn't must have seen this 10 times before I actually even noticed it Was uh towards the beginning when he comes up after the show when he knows that he's meeting with somebody and he's dressed as um He's dressed as judy garland as in the tramp costume because he's performing Like I never realized that's what he was wearing until And makes no reference to it like there's no mention of it It's not called out like anything like that. It's just it's just it was a visual gag And if you got it, you got it. And if you didn't okay, you know, there's tons of other stuff to do Yeah, what a great point. Yeah as part of that scene It's that's when like he starts hyperventilating an agador his dear dear agador comes over and gives him a parent tablet, right? And and so you have you know robin's character like armand is like agador. What the hell are you doing? Are you giving him drugs? He was like, I made it. They get easy. It's just an aspirin with the a and d s escaped off Die I love that part. It's That's brilliant It's really he's also brilliant. He goes. I know Yeah, and it showcases I feel like it was one of the first films that showcased the love the love between A man and a man And the love that they had for the child that they raised That it wasn't just about drag and it wasn't just about, you know, oh my god They have facts or any of the other things that I feel some movies may have highlighted It was the love. Yes that they had for each other and the love they had for this young man And that that albert raised him when his mother sort of abandoned him. I mean that I so appreciated because what it said was LGBTQ families are families. That's right Is one of the first times you reminded me just just by saying that you're mine because you know, the sun obviously is straight And I remember when I saw the film in the theater sitting in front of me were these two older ladies and they You know, whatever. I don't have no idea what they knew of l'caja fall or anything like that But in the scene the scene where he comes in and they have the glass of wine together And you know, they build it up a little bit before they reveal it's actually his son not his You know, he's not having an affair and like that and this one woman sitting in front of me right before the reveal Guessed it and she went, uh, it's his son And and the other woman looked at because I mean as loud as anything we're sitting right in the middle of theater And she she said no it can't be and of course she was right Uh, and you know, but I you could see how these two different ladies obviously one picked up on it like that Immediately that you know, but of course why wouldn't it be it makes perfect sense that that's his son And the other one couldn't get her head around it. It was fascinating to me Uh, that's someone that you know from someone from a different age Who knows that they picked up up she picked up on that so immediately that they were going to reveal It was his son and not a boyfriend or anything like that And like like juang fu this film gave opportunities to lgbtq plus drag artists that were in a number of Scenes and had dialogue and probably got their screen actors guild cards because of it. Um, and you know They just gave so much opportunity, um to them as well. So I thought that was important to say And the both the tag Don't forget the china with the leaping boys playing leapfrog And the uh, and the tag when they're at that china. I want I have that china. Um Do you I wish I was gonna say we're coming over for dinner You're welcome any time darling. I'll I'll I'll send you my phone number after the pandemic. We'll we'll have a lovely lovely dinner Thank you. See them We met a friend. We met a friend. We met we met dear darling judy's I love it All right, well, that's it. That's our list. Yeah, thank you guys so much. This is really great And uh, and like we said, I hope I hope next time we can do this. Uh, actually live in the theater Oh, I hope so and I just again, I just want to say how much I appreciate the bed for doing this y'all doing this everybody on the call And how important it is that pride Like black history month Pride month women's history month latino history month. It seems to me a bit absurd To think about the accomplishments of these communities over the course of 30 days So I invite everybody to extend pride month to extend black history month to extend any month That celebrates the diversity and accomplishments of marginalized people all throughout the year Because it's so important and everybody please stay well I love you all and just a thought from me if you don't mind when you find yourself at home with your dogs On a tuesday night. Why not put on some makeup and some jewelry and do something like this with amazing friends Oh Thank you. And likewise, you know, uh, for us, uh, we We do our show every week and every week. We're we're highlighting stories and people in communities and authors and singers and songwriters Uh, because and bijan and bijan Often time to time Because it is important to ensure that we keep our community visible And to always fight for what we believe in and for our right to exist and thankfully You know with two weeks ago the supreme court reaffirmed Our protections under the law Which is important, but you know in the end, um, yeah, it is You know, we're coming at the tail end of pride month, but you're right You know, we should celebrate ourselves every single day because we live 365 not just 30 days That's right. And thank you for what you do at gay talk and as well. It's it's really We so need it and it's it's um Just thank you. Thank you. Well, I have to tell you though. We're gonna seriously extend that invitation We would love to have you to come in studio when when all of this is over sit with us Have a cocktail talk some stuff and and do all of that amazing stuff that we do here on the show You got it. You just reach out honey. I'll be there Well, thank you guys all of you. Thank you Thanks guys so much. Thank you. Tom. Thank you. Nick. Thank you gay talk 2.0 again You know, I think everybody did such a great job And these were such great films and you everyone spoke so well upon them. It was really fun And um, we can't wait to have all of you back at the theater. Hopefully we can We're gonna put that we're gonna put the record If there's if there's anybody here, you know, who missed it and couldn't be on tonight The recording will be up on our website. Oh, how wonderful. Thank you. That's awesome. Thank you Stay well, everybody sending love. Good night, everybody. Bye. Bye. Thanks. Bye