 Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always is my co-host Tyler. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Good man. Happy to be back Join the show last week. Good glad to hear it. I can see we're both shifting into fall mode here I've got my vest on you've got your comfy little your hoodie sweater sweatshirt situation going on Yeah, and then we got Travis who's just rocking the merch. What's up Travis? Welcome back to the show. Good to have you again. Thanks. Yeah, it's been a little bit, but it's always great to be on here. I Would point out Tyler you are in fact the only one not in representative merch like mine is very hidden But I am in fact wearing me On my nice There you go, it's obviously under many layers like an A for so many layers that that I am hidden under there But yes, I'm wearing a shirt with me on it That is as egotistical as one could possibly get in life So tonight we're gonna talk about the current meta we're gonna talk about vault wars We're gonna look at some people's lists. We're gonna talk about what we think it means, but what does it mean? No, we're getting all that's gonna be a good time, but of course first The news what do we got there, buddy? 40k rumor engine all the time 40k right? Rumor engine apparently yes apparently it is in fact just about 40k rumor engines. Yes excellent Cool soon. Yeah We good we're good next next thing I'm just trying to catch up on let's see. All right excellent. Good work will Castro starting off strong We have we had a reveal show that I missed the show Yeah, good good good work by Chuck. He's he is so much better at both Tom and I certainly me with those reveal shows I mean Tom Tom barely showed up Yeah, then we had to bring in the real expert in in Chuck so okay Travis I'm gonna start with you. What'd you think of the reveals on Saturday? You excited? What do you think? Yeah? I thought I almost grip-borne pretty sweet model excited to see that on the table and the different paint jobs will have Let's see. What else was there the the bug from the Sylvaneth we got the the guys from What's the movie the? All the memes I'm just interested to watch There we go, okay ship troopers bug and Then we got Bretonia, which is nice and exciting Yeah, I'm underrated Paul Verhoeven classic quick shout out to a OS list lab. What's up, brother? Hope you're doing well down there. Mr. Smoreton at Yes, all those things were great and yeah new Bretonia looked pretty cool for a game I probably won't play very much or if at all, but it's still cool. I'm happy to see it looks like some good new scopes I'm sure I'll paint them anyways Tyler what'd you think you excited for your new seven-eth Kurnoff? I mean Yeah, it makes me regret selling that army obviously I had a good reason for it back in the day Oh my god that belt on us or I into man that mommy model of the year I think you said that already right we've already confirmed that that's model of the year. Oh, it's perfect It's it's literally perfect Vincent. I love it. That's what your name says right there Vincent Venturella That's your name indeed I I know how you know, I actually think I saw like Domus I think or a couple of people being pretty upset about Beldenos because they felt like it was too much like oh you you're killing Orion and this is like it's because It's a Ryan's pose with a spear and the thing and I'm like Orion died a long time ago That guy's dead. That does not exist. That is a dead thing. Okay? You're mourning over something that has been lost for years. They're really nice little gay homage To a classic miniature with a new sculpt with this guy, and yeah, I think he's great I'm glad that they they paid homage in that way, you know, honoring your forebearers as it were It's amazing. It'll be okay. Domus. Just let it go my friends. It's it's been eight years. He he needs to move on Yeah Yeah, yeah So yes, no loved it. I own a script for an amazing strap said Fantastic model. It's getting my hopes up that maybe what they're going to do some revamping of all of the 2015 box set models maybe more maybe all of the older stormcasts are gonna get a refresh We had a article on realms of run showing off some liberators and thinner strike armor as an alternative Maybe we're gonna get those next year. I'm here for it. Let's see Vandus with a new model new Paladin retributors, etc It's a lot to redo I would I would I don't like in my estimation a new liberator be fine I always thought they were too chunky and silly although again It would be ironic if they redid the model that is literally the statue in front of the building Are we gonna get a new statue I don't think those come cheap I'm just saying where's the line item in the budget of like wait if we redo these liberators do we have to replace that thing out front? Now that being said they keep the old the old Space Marine around and obviously he's like a first-born tiny little like third-edition era Little funny squat-looking space marine. So I suppose they they there's a long life. It's all just history, right? Um That but yes, Iona's coming back is great. We have a new arch rellector oops all dragons. I'm sure will be a thing very exciting All right, cool. Very good. What else we got? Well Travis pointed out to us that apparently some new war schools have come out that I doubt many people knew about This was I'm so glad Travis was here and had the hot info Because let me tell you what this was not on my radar. I put together the news for today I had no idea that these four war scrolls have been were been released Why would I know I only read Warcom and associated other news sites to Warhammer stuff None of which mentioned it but why I ask you why would they mentioned that they had released these war scrolls on the main Page of Warcom doesn't everybody go to Warcom every day click the downloads button go to that page Select age of Sigmar and then scroll all the way to the bottom past the legends entries To this section where you can find these scrolls Are you for real? Warcom people who's responsible here who is responsible for this? This is ridiculous is this like some ridiculous attempt at viral marketing where like Somebody accidentally stumbles upon this and then the word gets out nonsense put up an article My god Okay, now that I've gotten that out because like he's like Travis and I was like pointing me toward these right for the show He's like yeah, they're in the downloads. I'm looking on the downloads like there's nothing dated today. He's like no keep scrolling Go past the legends You were less PG about ten minutes ago, but that's fine indeed show a section of the that Section of that page. I have literally never scrolled to never not once have I scrolled that far? never At any rate. Let's talk about these things. There's good stuff down there apparently apparently just a Just a bounty of riches hiding down there. Yeah, who knows what else is down there? Maybe my new scaven book is down there somewhere with actual 3.0 updates. All right, so Will the Corpse hunters this is one of them they published this is just the publishing of the thing that is already in Cities so nothing new here. It's the same thing. It always has been it's 11 guys four of them are dogs They Can pregame move and they're not visible blah blah blah 12 inches Terrain, okay, so great. Here we go Cruel boys monster killers Okay So these guys they've got their monster killers weapons, which they are all armed with which each Guy in this unit. There's eight eight or key boys each making three attacks on fours and threes nag one one You've got a beast knob He gets one extra attack you got a musician Which says that enemy monsters within three inches of this unit cannot retreat sure let's just continue putting the most powerful effects in I know in a in a sort of unit on Musicians and standard bears and nonsense like that that not every unit gets totally cool We got a clutch of grot Which is he gets a little spiky shell So you one of your I should say you got seven guys that attack with the monster kill weapons the little grot Dude doesn't he just gets a little crappy weapon and Then their rules once per phase when an enemy monster within six inches of this unit is picked to carry out a monster's rampage if This unit has any clutch of grots You can say that the monster will try to gobble up a clutch of grot If you do so roll a die on a two plus that monster cannot carry out a monster's rampage that phase on a one The clutch of grot in this unit is slain Okay, so two up can still monsters rampages Notably within six inches Not within three Pretty wild Why wouldn't it be within three? Why wouldn't it be within the same range? That would make sense, but okay They're tossing him at the monster. Yeah Travis is a big fan of six inch nonsense Ben's Indeed excited to excited to see this soon Travis And then bait and trap at the start of the combat phase you can pick one enemy monster within six inches this unit and roll a dice I add one to the roll if that monster has any wounds allocated to it on a three plus the strike last effect Applies to that monster till the end of that phase. So basically on a two up if it's a wounded monster But so that's pretty wild I remember the days of two up fight last was good days the golden days of 2019. It's all gone now though But I'm glad to see it's back for these idiots They are eight guys for a hundred and thirty five points That's a pretty damn good unit Yeah, this is obviously the first time both Vince and I are seeing this I think trap you looked earlier today at these. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of good stuff going on there. Oh I am reading these in real time. I'll make no bones about it. I learned that these existed 10 minutes ago. Yeah Okay, uh, so obviously Obviously they don't have any any battlefield role so you can take eight or 16 of these Right, so they could be reinforced once don't know if you really need to Seems like you could use them either as forward chaff or float around in the line chaff Both of these effects trigger within six inches So you don't actually need them to be in combat with the monsters you just kind of have them amongst your line behind other units and Very much make your units immune to monsters Which is pretty wild Because like most of the monsters coming into you are highly likely to be wounded right either through Your shots your various shots and cool boys you have many different shots that you could be That will own them before they get to your lines And then you just have some of these, you know a little eight pack of these hiding behind other stuff whatever gut rip is what not and Then the unit comes in Monster comes in to up. They fight last to up. They have no monsters rampage That is truly turning a monster into an impotent unit Yeah, so pretty crazy Also too much range with a lot of attacks. Yep Yep, absolutely. Yeah, you're absolutely right. We can't sleep on their actual tax The unit of eight of these guys makes 21 attacks on force threes neg one one. It's not terrible Sorry 22 because the champion So not bad at all So the five is the limitation, right? That's what it is Yeah, pretty pretty efficient. That's cool boys though. Sure. Yep for Gilae. Absolutely Do we think these will show up in some lists? Oh god? Yeah Sorry, I'm so I'd say you might see reinforced unit behind your main line Just hanging out waiting for a monster someone has a arcane bolt ready to go just a wound one just in case Mm-hmm. Piff Yeah, take that Exactly last. Yeah, exactly Yeah, it was already pretty decent roll. I mean you know on a three-up. I did like fight last on a three-up It's not a bad rule on its own fight last on a two-up Pretty good All right, so yeah, these guys seem strong following in a in a recent tradition of Having these work right units actually be interesting in the army. I mean the downside of them is yes, they're as as As sweat said, they're not battle line or sweet. Sorry, they're not battle line and they I mean if you happen If you're playing somebody who just has no monsters, it's like, okay, they're just they just become chaff They just become a dudes here out in front and use them as chaff your deployments gonna shift, but other than that It's fine All right, cool, I mean, they're not so expensive. You're really hurting. It's like, oh, no, they have no monsters I'll just have to use this eight-man unit. Yeah, relatively decent chaff Vulcan flame seekers two wounds each five up save a bravery four inch move our standard sort of fire slayers There are nine of these guys each models armed with a Fire steel throwing axe and a Vulcan fire steel weapon. Well, almost all of them So the Vulcan rune father one in every nine is a rune father at one of the attacks characteristic of their weapon They got a droth master. That's fine. It's that's what he is Which will come up in a moment and then the Kindle droth one in every nine miles This used to be a Kindle droth a Kindle droth is armed with ember teeth instead of a fire steel throwing axe And a Vulcan fire steel weapon because he's a little boy. He's a little pet He's a little fire dog Magma droth scale whip While this unit includes a droth master enemy monsters within three inches of this unit cannot carry out monsters rampages Why go to the two up? That's what I say to up To up fails too often. That's what I say. Let's get straight to just can't do it now The difference here is of course. Yeah, they do have to be within within danger range because they've got to be within three inches but you know not bad and Then the Kindle droth at the end of the combat phase pick one enemy unit within one inch of this unit It's Kindle droth and roll two dice for each four plus that enemy unit suffers one mortal wound. That's fine He's he he Coughs a little fire with the end. They're a little dog And these guys are nine for a hundred and forty points and interestingly They are about a line in a loft near army Okay Travis we're gonna start with you again. What's your what's your vote on these on these guys? They got a lot of attacks again two inch range They don't have any rent though. So that's gonna that's gonna be hard against stuff that can save stack um You might Consider bringing somebody with curse to try to fish for sixes with them But I don't know. I'm not sold on these guys Yeah, the units were not 25 attacks on threes and threes, which isn't bad Right, but you're right. It's it's it's not doing much Unless like against any time any any even moderately hard target, right? Shut off the monster's rampage is cool But that's basically what they're doing and again these guys are on a five up save You know no no built-in backup ward ability or stuff like that, right? So they they will die fairly quickly if anything touches them So and no ability to make that monster fight last so even if they are fighting a monster Which they have to be danger close to to use their ability. It's like, okay I can't stomp them, but many monsters will still just shred them And then and then just move on with their life, right? So Yeah, okay Tyler, what do you think? Yeah, I mean we've gone from a strong fascinating war scroll to Pretty lame war scroll here. I don't see a lot of value. Yeah Which is sad because this is The most beautiful Set of fire slayer models that they've released like they nailed fireslayers finally Love the unit, but yeah, I don't see a lot here I know you can give them rent like with your rune at least there's any other way, but yeah Yeah, once came right So pretty looks pretty lame. I mean two inch reach three attacks. Yeah, you're gonna get some decent numbers out of that But yeah, not a fan pretty looks like they barely film the sun Like barely Okay, right on Let's talk about the last one Maybe the most interesting one in my mind but just because it's so completely sort of Wild that this exists From this ancient model. I like I would have thought this thing just been legend But no in fact now that did we get a new one? We got a unit of new ones The Gordier maw pack five wounds six up save eight bravery six inches And so the Gordier maw pack each guy has bone-shattering strikes two inch reach Three attacks threes threes neg one two damage One in every five models is a clawback Which is their champion? And one in every five models is a cave howler we'll talk about that guy more in a moment During deployment says setting this unit up you can place it aside and say we'll set up an ambush as a reserve unit If you do so at the end of your movement phase, you can set up this unit on the battlefield more than nine inches from all enemy units So the good ambush rule Standard high quality ambush that is to say they can set up anywhere. They're not restricted to a board edge They don't have to set up in the first turn. They don't have to be near terrain. It's just nine inches away So that's cool. They do have the gut busters keyword and all of that. They are gorgers And then roll a dice each time an enemy unit receives a command within 12 inches of a friendly cave howler on a five up That command is not received So one of those annoying abilities But it's fine You can never bank on it with the five up many units have this It's it's certainly annoying and it can certainly ruin somebody's day But it's not something that that ever is like really that impactful Notably these guys are five wounds each to the five of them do count as 10 on an objective So that's quite interesting for an ambush unit To drop in So then we have the mop hit new faction terrain Only ogre ma tribes armies can include this faction train feature ogre ma tribes Armies that include a mop hit cannot also include a great ma pot So the first army to receive two optional faction terrain choices, okay? It's fine You set this thing up. It's just like all faction terrain. This train feature is defensible terrain that can be garrisoned by a butcher Okay He becomes the head butcher. I don't know where he stands in this. Where is he garrisoning this? Is he crawling in the hole? Hang on upside down scroll that he stands on is that does his base actually fit in there? I I don't know I'll pick it up this weekend. All right fair enough. We'll see see if he actually fits in there All right, what does this thing actually do well the throat of Gerr? There's a joke there Uh so At the end of the charge phase the player who's at the end of the charge phase The player whose turn is taking place must roll a dice for each unit in their army That is within 12 inches of this terrain feature and within 12 inches of any units in their opponent's army and More than three inches Hold on Okay geometry I'm gonna need to reread this because again, I'm reading this for the first time So let me go ahead and get into this again at the end of the charge phase. So it's it's I'm not the ogre player Let's imagine. It's my turn. Okay, I Have to roll a dice for each unit in my army that is within 12 inches of the terrain feature and one of the ogre units but More than three inches for many ogre units so between three and 12 inches Right on a three up. They suffer D3 mortal wounds If this terrain feature has a head butcher the range extends to 18 inches mm For radius outside of this thing, but not for the other 12 inch So then it's 18 edge of the terrain feature Within 12 of ogres, but outside of three This ability has no effect on gut busters models How unfortunate that the that the beast collared raiders are still getting eaten if they didn't land the charge Yeah Very complicated. Oh your favorite Boy that feels like we could have given another pass at that one. Yeah, I Mean that's um, it's strong, but yeah, I guess if you've got the guy in it It's got actually a pretty decent range. Sure. Yeah, like there's between 12 inches off this thing and 18 inches off this thing It's pretty massive, right? Actually, especially when you think about how I mean again, this thing has to be set up You know Holy outside enemy territory, so like it's there's gonna be some natural Edge to where this thing is right where you can still garrison it reasonably and it's you know Reaching into their territory and so on and so forth mm-hmm Okay, but we're not done yet Head butcher if this terrain feature has a head butcher in your hero phase You can say that an offering will be made to the mop it if you do so pick one enemy unit within 18 inches of this terrain feature And roll a d6 if the role is more than twice that enemy units wounds characteristic One model in that unit is slain if the role is more than three times that enemy units wounds characteristic Three models in that unit are slain Okay, what's the mechanics going on there? What's happening there the head butchers up on top of that little Dias, right? This guy is what? Let's say 18 inches 28 millimeter scale and inches about six feet okay, so this guy could be anywhere between you know what like 18 feet and about a 108 feet away, okay, mm-hmm and This guy just points at this unit and he's like offering and then a dude just Disappears and falls in the hole where who ate him. How did he fall in the hole? I get it. He I got eaten by the by the mop it where it where how What I like a sarlacc. It's got the tentacles. Ah big tentacle. Okay. Okay, they're just they're just retracted right now Okay. All right. Cool. Cool. Cool. So it's the difference between we're the model as represented is like 1983 return of the Jedi where the sarlacc pit did not have tentacles and then but actually you're saying in reality It's like George Lucas's 1999 re-release of return of the Jedi or 90 ever was okay remember where return came out in the re-release cycle Where it was like now tentacles that's what we're saying Okay Got it got it Okay cool All right, fine like sure, whatever man And then it fights back this is the gotta be the most wild rule they've ever written If this terrain feature is picked as the target of the smash to rubble Monstrous rampage and that monsters rampage is unsuccessful the monster that carried out the monsters rampage suffers 3d6 mortal wounds Designer note. This will never occur That's not actually what the designer note says but obviously that is true Nobody except like a mega gargant who doesn't really care that much probably and just like yes, sure I'll take the shot. Well, why would they care? What's happening? You can't slay me outright if I'm a mega gargant Or nor any of my baby giants. What are you gonna do? Occasionally do a d3 mortal wounds to me? Like No one will this is the dumbest rule because I hate when they write a rule like this they wrote this they were like Yeah, it's gonna be real bad like 3d6 mortals It's gonna be super strong and all that says is like, okay cool No one ever smash first of all no one smash is to rubble in general Like that just isn't a thing that happens outside of me at a tournament desperately trying to get my round for Battle tactic with my sons of badmott went because you have no other because I don't take casters and didn't take the goblins so I'm rolling a three up for a battle tactic on any random piece of terrain, right and Outside of that insane situation, this does not occur and it definitely won't occur to this Okay, did I miss anything here? I don't think so man It's a lot of rules for that faction terrain a lot going on there a little too much Yeah, all this says to me is if you don't land your charges you will occasionally take some damage Yeah Unless I got Yeah And then the mirror match just nothing happens the moth pitch is all I got nobody to eat I hope they took a frost lord on stone horn Okay, uh Yep, so Cool Yeah, cool Also, I'm pretty sure that the throat of gur doesn't actually work Because it says the ability affects units within 18 inches of this terrain feature instead of 12 But it doesn't say it changes the range you have to be from the opponent's army So like if you're at 14 inches then you're not meeting the other qualifying condition So it wouldn't matter So it needs an FAQ did they mean both 12 inches become 18 inches because that's not what the words say You see I'm saying like right now If imagine my unit sitting 14 inches away And there's a there's a guy in there. There's a head butcher right Okay, I don't meet the other conditions So it doesn't matter that I'm within range of the first part. I'm not meeting the second part Sure Yeah So either they both have to be 18 inches which was maybe their intention and they just wrote it badly Uh, I don't know Yeah, right you see what I'm saying. Yeah, I think I think Yeah, uh, yeah, I don't know. That's weird. Yeah This thing also has a point value has have we had terrain features? Yeah, they all say that in the list. Yeah, have they also have they okay, I didn't They'll say that All right, interesting Uh, all right, so Bronny made said the opponent needs to be within 12 Inches either thing it works fine. It doesn't work fine Okay, I will I will go through this again If this terrain feature has a head butcher this ability affects units within 18 inches of this terrain feature instead of 12 inches Okay What that would change Soil dice for each unit in their enemy that is within 12 inches of this terrain feature And within 12 inches of any units in their opponent's army And more than three from all units you have to satisfy all three conditions To get the three up roll happening This thing only changes the first one So if I am within 18 inches of the thing, but I'm 14 inches from any gut busters or from any ogre units Then it doesn't do anything to me So the advanced range meant nothing Right Yeah, I think that's right Yeah Okay, cool Um, great good stuff. Uh, thanks. I hate it I was real excited when I saw the maw pot But like I don't get it. This is not or sorry the maw pit I don't like this at all. This is full of rules. I don't like Not because I think they're like too strong or anything like that. Like I don't care I actually think it doesn't do much of anything Uh, I just think it's like Nothing I just think it's nothing cool Gorgeous are fine enough. I guess that's fine 220 for 25 looms Is that right? 25 models Yeah, it's not bad. I mean they're on six up save with the ambush So, you know, you can hold them back. They don't risk getting shot or whatever Okay, uh, that's yeah, that's a lot of I don't maybe two too many points, but yeah, not a terrible unit Probably too many points Haiti said it means something because it increases the range of the first condition Which means you can satisfy the other you from further away. I'll buy that hades. Okay, as you were saying So like on the triangulation Technically now this reaches farther. So if my ogres are over here, then I could be yeah, okay I'll buy that. I'll buy that. I'll buy that. Hades Uh, where this is a lot of this is a lot of sound if you're signifying nothing It's a stupid rule that will rarely come up and people will all forget about That doesn't do much Like that's the bottom line of this folks you could defend this all you want But most of time you don't hang out within 12 to three inches of your enemy You charge them You move up from generally like a decent distance away Get it within charge range and then charge your opponent. That's what happens Like okay Like that's what's happening and the the ability is too wordy too silly Uh like ridiculously caveated and just overly complicated. It's bad rules writing Bottom line This is the head butcher doesn't make any sense and it fights back is silly Three bad rules zero for three. Congratulations Totally nailed it Uh, so yeah, but the gorgeous fine. All right. Well, there's a lot of news and anything else in the news. Yeah, we're still in news I think we're finally done. All right. That's why I was trying not to talk much No, it's right. It was worth discussing All right, let's go to some pick of the week Yep, uh travis. What do you want to share with everybody? Yeah, uh, so my pick of the week is the terrain essentials three campaign on my mini factory they, uh Did I think 10 different? Terrain sets over the campaign about two months ago and they've started releasing more and more Today they released the elf terrain Uh, they also have done a dwarf. There's a graveyard Uh ancient ruins and then like city ruins so far Uh, but there's a bunch of other ones. There's orcs. There's I don't go Vince has the link Link is in the description. Go check it out. Absolutely. Lots of cool stuff 100 percent. Yeah Yep Most of it fits on a fairly small 3d printer too. So that's nice. Nice. Nice like that Tyler, what do you want to share with everybody? Yeah, so the weird knobs the amazing We're getting club a was club in austin texas They have a twitch channel twitch stream that they've started up the weird cast The very first show was a vault wars gt prep Batterer report that they did just yesterday. So check that out. It's the classic matchup stormcast and corn And it was a good game. Yeah, watch a little bit of it I love their setup. They had some audio issues early on. They got those worked out So they yeah, they're I think we got two of them coming joe And jeff. I don't know if there might be some others, but I know at least joe and jeff So shout out to those guys enjoyed the game One of them is bringing a table for best table. Oh, wow We've got this award we'll get into and it's yeah, he's been posting some photos on weird knobs on x twitter Name name it whatever you want to It's looking fantastic. So Yeah, that's all I got. I'm being good today. Just one Very nice rarity. Enjoy it. I refuse to change this little tiny bird in my overlay to the x symbol It's going to be the bird forever. Okay That's that's what this is Uh, hey, he said vince. What would you prefer the pit or the pot? Honestly, probably the bot I have to think about it less. It's it's an easier thing to to to do and it can like occasionally heal somebody which is useful That's my answer Okay, um The for my own pick. I'm gonna shout out our good friends over at the cult of paint Who had a review of scale model challenge of smc? And there was some really really amazing amazing amazing amazing models shared there They showed all those congratulations to mr. Eric Swinson who took best in show for fantasy and had an absolutely Incredible model. I don't know if everybody saw his loathe. He was sharing it on social media for the first time loathe demon spider queen of the drow elves It was an amazing amazing model and just like a really incredible paint job so Yeah, like they reviewed a bunch of the really awesome models that there's a bunch of stuff I was uh oogling all weekend. So if you like cool and beautiful looking models, do you check it out things of all Scales and sizes and stuff like that Uh linked down in the description All right Gentlemen, let's talk about some hobby time now. Tyler I'm gonna start with you because I imagine it's still zero given the proximity of vault wars. Am I correct? I mean, that's a reasonable guess. Yes. No. No, you you added snow Oh crap. I did do some hobby. That's right. Yeah, I added snow effects to some terrain And it looks great. It was very complicated. I had to pour some glue I had to use some green stuff world. I think it's called or something like that Some of this snow stuff provided by scott sprawl trap And I mean, I couldn't buy it myself, you know, sure because it was certain certain philosophy Sometimes I'm I'm known to be associated with so yeah, it's I yeah, man. Where's my props vents? That that took a lot of effort. I take it back. That counts That counts doing terrain counts. That is hobby putting snow on stuff At least two hours doing that the other night I have no pushback for that. I'm glad to see it back in the mix I assume that I assume that post vault wars were back on the hobby train full time We are now I want you to know fair warning. There's gonna be you you and I are a long time Long time now. We're good friends. We know each other well. I'm gonna have to go to my good friends. That is correct Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm trying to not you know, don't want to make any assumptions here It's gonna be there's gonna be a Not necessarily lengthy, but there's gonna be a research phase Now I was good. I didn't go through that the first time out of the gate Even though, you know, my my predilections are to be very thorough With a lot of planning a lot of planning traps a big fan of it. So yeah, I'm being very long-winded here as well So just get ready. I've got it. I've got a plan a little bit to feel good about what's coming up. So But that's part of that's part of it, man There's just I want you to go through your process I want you to also remember your painting tiny plastic toy soldiers not building the empire state building Okay, like the amount of planning that is required is should be kept reasonable to the project at hand Your painting silver people with blues with blue areas on them. So I mean, you know I'll just say it Planned accordingly a lot of people will over plan and use that as an excuse to never actually do work So low odds of that happening clearly. It's not like Tyler at all. No, definitely not definitely not All right, Travis. What about you buddy? What what do you've been what you've been hobbying on? This week painted some tents little terrain pieces. Whoa Yeah, I didn't know about that Yeah Is that a is that a best table nomination? No, no I don't I don't have enough tents to fill out a circus or anything, but uh He's had him laying around and figured I get him done. So nice That's what I did. Is that part of your npe cities of sigmar army? The no, this is this is the uh slaves of darkness protonians Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, all right. Well That's fine. Yeah, I we don't have any locals that are threatening to quit the game over you running slaves of darkness So that's that's probably okay. I I guess I got to go back to it That would be that would be appreciated nothing wrong with s2d nothing wrong with s2d Uh, also shout out smorgans said perfection is the enemy of progress. Tyler. Don't don't forget that that golden rule Yes, I like that very much I like that love you sam Good good words. Nice words. Yes indeed. There is wisdom here Uh for myself My hobby time and this guy's like almost done. I've got some more a few more touch-ups. I need to do on him But uh, I've been working on this thing Uh, so this Is a kit bash model in case that's not obvious This is not a formal kit Uh, this is my uh sort of mega knob guy my orc boss That is going to lead my giants in november at Um At holy havoc you have to have a warlord and so this is my warlord. He has a machine gun and he has a chainsaw Because those are cool And he and he has smokestacks because he's a little frankenstein machine and he's a little albino stitched together frankenstein work So Pretty awesome. Was that a rattling gun from the storm friend storm friend? Yes. Yeah, the the core of this dude is a storm friend. Yes. Nice. Uh, and then like the big chainsaw is from I think it's from like a 40k night kit or something as our little smokestacks and stuff like that About right. Yeah Yeah So that's him He's meant to he's meant to be the leader of my giants because you have to have a I can't put like another mega gargant on the table as my warlord. You know, I've got like two of those and then this guy So I've been Yeah, he was he was very fun Honestly, uh, I think I'll probably there won't be a video out of him because it was a lot of experimentation But I think I will make a video painting another orc like this in talking about doing This kind of albino work skin I actually found some colors and mixes that I really liked. I went I started by Doing some research and planning Tyler, uh, it took me about 30 minutes Okay It's not enough appropriate amount of planning Uh, wherein I looked at uh, different pictures of azog From the hobbit movies because he was like that pale skinned orc And looking at how that sort of the different ways that that his skin looked in the different lights and things like that And then kind of finding a mixture that I thought felt pretty good about that. So Yeah That is the appropriate amount of planning for a thing like that. There you go, Tyler Now you've now you got your bar set. There you go Yeah Picasso you'll be proud and happy to know that there's two boxes Still sitting in my garage unpainted, buddy. So It's trying to be consistent We we do have some nice photos that you're going to get to see here very soon though. If you're if you're nice So, yeah I did not put those photos into the presentation, but I could bring them up somewhere if you like Well, like I said, I was questioning whether we're friends or not. So it's all right. It's all right You sent me a lot of stuff in traditional Tyler fashion. I had to make some cuts All right, speaking of which Hey As we transition into our main segment, why don't you hit like or subscribe or do one of those things? Do you disagree with my mop it take hit like because you think I'm wrong? Do you agree with it? Also hit like I'll know the difference. Trust me. It's fine Uh, either way it helps other people find the show and we really appreciate it And uh green mountain model said painting all of my cruel boys like a dog Yeah, I think I think it's worth a video like I have some cruel boys people sort of assembled and not painted And I think that would be a really good look for a cruel boys army. That's sort of uh, albino work look all right Let's transition over here Where is age of sigmar at the current meta and vault wars? And I thought it would be Cool to kind of think and look and talk the current meta And have a discussion and then let that inform us as we get into Then looking at the lists and the breakdown and stuff like that uh at Vault wars right like rather than just kind of Jumping right in there's a chance to see to get the foundation. Let's lay down some foundation first Okay So let's get into it Uh, all right Let's start with a little overview As always so I've got some recent new moves some recent moves What's happened recently? Well, we've had some battle scrolls SBR spg obr and then previously before that gets Vol had some changes that have helped bring them in line though. Most of them still doing still doing well Still powerful still in the conversation Um Multiple armies have gotten some new battle tactics Which has had a direct impact or which should theoretically have a pretty direct impact on win rate Uh, if not to play experience and fun as I say here I've never I've never gotten a bonus battle tactic and thought well that game was more fun now Which may be a challenge to the entire concept of battle tactics right there That may be the sort of silver bullet. I've been missing this whole time I've been railing against battle tactics for the past two years Uh, some armies have had some decent points moves. So I think of storm cast skaven, but there's there's been many others Uh, and the armies of renown are here. So dawn bringers two brought us four armies of renown At least two of them seem to be pretty strong KO and sun sabamut So that's my that's my sort of grounding. Is there anything I missed here? Travis or anything else going on you think is worth Worth sort of, you know laying the foundation any other any other money movers that have been happening that sets your stonks perception of the current meta No, not really. Um, I think that gets most of it. Uh, we're we're seeing a uh, a lot of corn a lot of soul blight a lot of Seraphon and in most of the tournaments that I've been to at least so That's that's the meta at the moment. Yep. Yeah, I agree. Tyler. What about you that your thoughts? Well, so when you told us that you wanted to have this as a kickoff I did take a look and I mean, we're going to get into it in the next slide here I've been pleasantly surprised by in my sense a Greater amount of variety than we had seen for a little while a great amount of variety that is Putting up some four ones and five O's It was fantastic. Actually was seeing a tremendous amount of variety So, yeah, we'll get into it. But I'm pleasantly surprised by where we are now. We're only a short While into the post battles for rights. We don't have a lot of data. It's still small sample size for most of these things but definitely encouraged I'm Preparing well hoping for the best preparing for the worst or planning for the worst with ko expeditionary force And little less so with so be but certainly that's strong. I would like to see a rules change rules Arata for some of the nonsense that they can do Involving terrain that we went over in one of our past shows. Do you mean teleporting giants teleporting giants every turn? Yeah, basically. Yeah, I don't I would like to not think that was their intention and but yeah, man, uh, you know, I'm not a fan of A shooting multiple times generally speaking in this game. Sure. And uh, so If folks want to check out an example of ko expeditionary force, just look at the latest member battle report Of season war. It was their shortest game. I believe in the history of the show And uh, there may have been a particular reason for that. So Yeah, but with somebody running the ko expeditionary force Somebody was just double shot and leveled. That was it pretty pretty much Whole army moves like 24 inches everybody shoots if half the people shoot again Enemies leveled what's left charges gets unleashed and then half of those get unleashed on again. It's a good time Yeah, I don't see what the problem is And I'm not a fan of the argument. Well, there's another crap in the game that's imbalanced That you know that goes back to childhood two wrongs don't make a right I think most of us learned that at some point. So yeah, not a fan of that perspective But anyway, uh, generally pretty positive on where we are at the moment Okay, good Haiti said, how would you adjust the wording of that rule considering gargants may have allies on terrain? Well, one, I wouldn't care about the allies on terrain. Those just get smashed That's number one. Like don't put your allies on the train if you intend to smash it That's let's just start there To the giants can't be on the terrain that I mean, I got I'd rewrite this ability probably from the ground up But you just can't have the the gargants actually touching the terrain So hence they don't have to ever be picked up or set up or replaced or anything like that. That would just be a start Um, I mean, I'm sure there's multiple ways that we we tackle it, but that'd be a that'd be a That'd be a way to start so yeah Or just say this disability has no effect on sob units Something like that. Yeah, but I mean then the problem is then you have to still move them and how do you reset them up and blah blah blah blah, so like, you know, there's the it's Rules where you start and really intermingling the physical nature of the models we play with with the the actual thing You're trying to accomplish on the game board is where the game breaks as we've seen every time we've played with that uh going back to the original banishment spell when it was just like You know, I'll pick up your unit and throw them in the trash basically Uh Real quickly events this does relate to vault wars gt. So I'd love to hear folks what what folks perspective is on this about Whether under what conditions do you allow? Newer publications. So historically I've been on the mindset of don't do it unless it has an errata but then the studio Generally is just taking often too long in my opinion to get erratus out the door And so that it creates this ongoing difficult situation for to's so I'm curious to hear opinions and what people Think is the ideal or the least worst way to approach these things, right? So we ended up making the call We're allowing new cities of sigmar We're not allowing any worse goals that do not have actual models. So no food fusiliers nose and estra, etc We've only got one cities that's showing up and it's actually a pretty fun friendly COS list I think I think trap you probably agree like it's not it's not crazy Now we've got a couple of kings king stomp. So they're going to be whatever it's called right the army of renown They're going to be doing the teleporting trick And then we've got one ko expeditionary force showing up So not a ton, but a little bit. I'll be interested to see how it goes I just I don't know like We also have the trod one Yes, we do have the trod one which let's worry about like that one. That one seems generally fine Seems like it's playing fair warhammer Exactly. Yeah, so, I mean We made the decision to allow these things But I hymned and hawned personally about it. I think travi you were on board with Like it that was essentially the consensus and when we talked about this So, yeah, I'm just curious to hear opinions about what folks would do under these circumstances Because this comes up all the time for tos. Sure I mean, it's I think it's just a question of the values you're trying to express I don't think there's a singular right answer, right? Like yeah, the fun answer is you allow it Yeah, because people want to play with their toys and this is a game where we all play with plastic dollies Okay, so let's not make this more serious than it is the reasonable answer is We shouldn't have to worry about this at all because things shouldn't be releasing in a state where Where this is a concern and we have to wait for a break fix In the first two weeks to four weeks to six weeks of a product's release before it's actually usable Right. Like that is not a good. That's not a good user experience. Okay. Yeah And the conservative answer that is probably reasonable if you're a to who's like wanting to sort of maintain the most Fairness across the board is nothing until an FAQ Yeah, which is where I had been for quite a long while and Yeah, so we'll see I'm hoping to not regret our decision but I just I just wanted to be upfront and honest about this because this this has been an ongoing thing certainly in my mind And yeah, so I'll be curious to see how it goes You know, and as you mentioned, you tos can certainly make the call like you did with c os, right? But you know, like where does that line get drawn? Yeah, what I mean by that is like, okay Let's say let's say you fix the silly giant rule Right, you fix anything in the ko you locking them down because like the the giant rule you read and you're like, okay This is clearly they just they didn't think about this at all when they wrote it. They wrote this They thought ha ha what a fun time you get to smash the rain and then then they went home And zero additional thought was put into that rule, right? I we spotted that 10 seconds into reading it that it was like absolutely sideways broken Right, yeah Whereas like what are you gonna do you change something about grunt socket expeditionary force because it's just obviously too good too strong What do you change you change the free movement change the extra shooting What about cities? So you are allowing like the alchemy war forger at 90 points is like stupid. It's completely stupid Yeah, you just move him up It's like he's sorry he's 120 points, right like you're just gonna get to the point where it becomes untenable So you almost have to say either like Either it's all in or it's all out Yeah, and you know that I think there's been a lot of particularly egregious stupid things in the game this year So And some of them continue But yeah, anyway, I was just curious. Yeah to bring it up while we're talking about this yeah Stagnus said the problem with that logic is that if gw ever releases a perfect book supplement that requires no FAQ or rata it will never be usable despite being perfect um It's funny. It's a funny joke. Um You know, I first of all, I don't see us having much chance of that occurring because every Joking aside, I don't mean that sarcastically. I just mean that like every book every product will have an FAQ Even if the rules were truly watertight, you're still going to have questions because language is an imprecise method of communication and people will just not like there will be Frequently asked questions The actual thing FAQ stands for right and so even if you're not actually actively changing rules i.e. irata It's still good to have a question back in there. That's like, okay in this situation This is the way to read it Right, you can hedge against that stuff with good designers notes and good language and stuff like that But it'll almost always be need to be some kind of literal FAQ Yeah for everything no matter what no matter how well it's written Okay All right, let's talk about some some stats. So this is I thought an interesting table. This is all from woe hammer Uh, so thank you woe hammer for this excellent data um And this is based on the tactics of and or battle scrolls of the more recent battle scroll And filtering out all results with less than 20 representatives in the sample. So like that's why there's not every army here Right. So they're they are cutting out the things that are going to be too swinging In the statistics. Okay Uh, what did you what did you Travis? What did you think of this when you saw this? Yeah, I was surprised uh big wall was so high up. First of all, uh, they did get a new tactic or They got what three new tactics. So that helped them a lot. Um Because they got everybody's tactics. Yeah. Yeah, right But I was I was kind of surprised they were right at 55. I figured they'd be more, you know in the middle um, let's see soul bite I figured they'd be a lot higher. I mean, they're they're still kicking butt. You still uh stack as many zombies as you can fit in a list and uh Still do quite a bit with uh, was it soul pike and now it's now it's three units But that still hurts when you spread it out enough Sure How about that storm cast at 54? Yeah, that's exciting with with the uh, annihilators going down to 150. We're seeing a lot of those now Yeah Yeah Well, real quickly on storm cast. So yeah, yeah about two Three weeks ago, uh, I was looking and we had a bunch of four ones I mean, they were just everywhere and it was pretty good variety in the list with storm cast So, I mean that battle technique is obviously helping. It's not auto. I mean it, you know, there's the more than six away qualifications So you it's every quarter. You got to have a unit, right? Like you have to set it up or it's a light gameplay Maybe an early gameplay. You have to maybe build your list for it. Uh, yeah, that's really encouraging to see Uh Yeah, with this, I mean it reflects what I said earlier, you know a lot Of stuff is doing pretty well So going through list going through gunhammer mike over there doing a great job every week with his articles Analyzing the the big events from the prior week, you know last couple of ones mike has Had events that are showing wide variety. Uh, so I mean just I made a note here going through it A gutbuster ogres multiple lists, you know, the mortal wind spam charging We're seeing that we're seeing like combined arms coming back a little bit, right with some of the The shooting cannons iron blasters that's what we're called Nurgle good lord. So everybody apparently got a memo that I missed out on, uh, which is glockon Uh, pick like maybe a guo and orgots or blow up or or pick like two of the three Uh, mega floors pick a glockon span plague bears And then maybe ironically not on this list because not enough people have been playing it since to actually have their show Up since the the battle scroll, but I'm sure they'll they'll show up and my guess is they'll be firmly in the middle territory there Dude, that's I have I mean I've lost count of the number of lists that I've seen with that pattern Uh, it's going sometimes you'll see the guo with the bell so they can get up and be palling host So you can get up to the seven magic number to get sloppity as you're first someone about around one So you're not having to wait for round two, right? But some lists are even including sloppity Yeah, nurgle is just really leaning into that Uh Anti pile in it's just control play very very heavy into the control play and it's doing quite well We've got skaven multiple skaven that are doing well keegan graves kicking butt He's coming this weekend with a really interesting list, which we'll talk about. I don't know. I've seen I had highlighted that one as well Although overall their win rate is not great, right? It is not great. They're the lowest like on both charts, by the way Um, they're chart and this one Yeah, they're one of those armies I mean, we've talked this every army This applies to response to player skill expression. I think that army in particular really does it's at least it's always stood out to me as one of those Uh, I'd enough eel spam nomadie spam or heavy nomadie I've seen multiple heavy heavy nomadie a few night haunt stormcasts are all the place alumnia with luminous alumnia With objective sitting. Uh, so john anerson ran a really interesting hero hammer Alumnia list counting as I've been waiting on that to make an appearance. I think that's really interesting It's like stormkeep from stormcast Trab mentioned big wall seeing multiple Our boys with the new two by two twenty point value Kind of balancing anyway, not a good lot of kills, but big wall are adjusting and doing well Crow boys still up there. Yeah, dude, just like I could go on and on There there's so much that I was seeing That it's it's really cool Yeah, I think I think we are seeing quite a variety and in fact, let's let's unpack that a little more On the next slide. This is a little small Okay So I'm sorry everybody, but but really you don't need to get the the the individual details to still understand the sweep of the thing So this is faction popularity by results Uh, again, this is from the 8th of october, which is the last time they ran their stats on woe hammer Um from but this is only inclusive of battle scroll tactics of andor matches So tournaments that we're using the newest battle scroll. Okay And the key here to look at is yellow and red Over on this side of the chart Red means they had four wins Right now count of four wins yellow is count of five wins Okay And you can see if you look at like and to me what you're really looking for is the red Because everybody who was in the red was you know in some kind of was in position to go 50 realistically, right? Yeah That's that could easily be just like a final match away or something like that And when you cut it like that You know, here's sort of your line for five. It's like traveling up here right For five count games And you can see a lot of people have at least one or two or three You know four ones something like that like there's there's quite a lot armies. They've dipped some red interesting interesting armies that have not Since the newest battle scroll heat knights who has capped out at three wins since the battle scroll Okay, so Ron's not playing it sure Uh There there was a not counted for this in the last week, and I believe we actually fence it was a hero hammer I don't know if you saw that slanesh with uh, celeski and not uh, shalaxi and Keeper of secrets very weird list, but yeah that went for when I believe but anyway, yeah And so the Yeah, and that's I think was the first one that did so since the of the armies using the new battle scroll I'm pretty sure that's They broke that the the three I don't think there was anything else I was looking around and looking because I mean slanesh was sort of like it it had been Over 55% like it had been kind of over the the sweet spot for a little while Um, so that's an interesting one not to have any red This gave anyone is very funny because they have won five out, but then no force Yeah, yeah, so congratulations to that person who's doing a lot of work to try to drag this average up Uh, and then you've got the disciples of zinch kept fire slayers cities Which that's not surprising at all and bone splitters and both cities and bone splitters like just stand alone bone splitters No one's playing it really. I mean these are very small representations, right? Gets still the most popular faction with 45 Results and then blades soul blight storm cast seraphon very much in line travis with what you were saying, right? You've seen a lot of blades See a lot of soul blight see a lot of seraphon And then you're always going to see a lot of gets in storm cast because they're just two of the most Like popular armies like that people love, right? Yeah So that that top five just just grocks to me completely um Yeah, I thought it was interesting The storm cast with no five o's on this but but a healthy number of uh of of four ones Yeah, man, uh I don't know if surely we've had a five-oh this year Oh this year Storm cast Yeah, no, I'm just thinking yeah, I can't remember who who has done it, but it's been Few and far between I know that sure five-oh storm cast, but anyway Yeah, ton of four ones recently Sylvaneth is not doing great so far into this new season. How many games we play 24 44 percent. So they've tapered off We've got four folks. I believe playing Sylvaneth this weekend. So we'll see how things go there I had a hard time just for transparency Getting there with hard mode eligibility for Sylvaneth, you know, particularly with the nature of the lists that are being brought So, yeah, not not quite there with with hard mode on on Sylvaneth But I found that notable. What else do we have here cruel boys still doing well Fire slayers very small representation Gavin win five-oh with Marathi and the bow snakes because he's Gavin and I've heard of him now. So we're good And uh beast of chaos got some four wins in there, but no five-ohs Anyway, yeah, I love this chart This is a great chart. I want to point out some other fun interesting little things because I was looking this over for a while before the show Okay So the purple on the opposite side is one win. So you're one in four, right? Look at this insane count of gets flares Going one and four like they just cover Gets flares run the gamut, right? Yeah, like you have three five-ohs three four ones A lot of three twos like what is that? 12 13 three twos 13 three twos right Like 12 or something two Two threes and then just like a ton 11 or whatever one and fours, right? Blades of corn is the zero winner Uh the most oh and fives in b. Okay Yeah Uh, which I thought was interesting and then who was the other fun one here? Ah, there we go. Corradron overlords There is uh two people who went oh and five, but no one went one and four You just they're at least getting to two wins on the shooting if you win a game. You're gonna win another game Yeah No one and fours So yeah, I thought this was interesting, but it does show like if you just look at the red anybody who's getting to four one That's that's a good position, right because as we said at the top that means you're in a competitive point competitive position and My goodness, there's a lot of red on this like really it's legitimately a lot of red like if you think red and yellow Most every army has some touch Right, so that's a good sign Even uh, even a couple night haunts saw saw some four ones with night haunts few night few few four ones with night haunts So that was that was pretty pretty exciting. Uh, ducky fresh We mostly have been seeing nights at the empty throne Seeing some hosted. Well, not I'd say hostly over chosen nights at the empty throne and then some paulist throne and and Not uh trav none enough Uh morons slash You know Brave brave souls running legion running legion, you know, give it give a shot people You can you can do well with it. I I can't but you might be able to I went for one with legion Uh, that's yeah, that doesn't count and then went one for the next tournament. So There's the best times. It was the worst of times Five five years ago legion, uh, what are you? Uh, what are you? You said you're working on your like pertonian s2d. What are they? What are they? Do you have a plan for what you how you want to run them? What's up right now? It's cabalas Gotcha. Yeah, uh casting is too good right now. Sure, but whorefrost and stuff I mean magic is dumb, but I respect you for the choice. It makes sense in the current season I hate magic and will always continue to hate magic and hate that we have a little season dedicated to it That I have to suffer through for a year, but that's all right. I will respond by Not running magic armies Zero casters, baby. All right Predictions let's make some predictions. I left some space here for us to fill in other words Okay, let's talk about the meta and how it's going to evolve. We're gonna lay some predictions on the table here Some of the armies are renowned will make their presence known strongly if not adjusted or answered like If we don't get adjustments this FAQ that fixes stupid crap with with broad and with the ko So People are gonna start playing these things in mass Yeah, and like They will start putting up results that are skewed That's I just I believe that to bullet to bone Yeah Seems reasonable Um Because we're in a place where some armies I like scaven but I could say as se as well Have seen some very Significant points drops on certain units. We're gonna start seeing very strange lists showing up and I've seen a couple of these So for example a scaven list that caught my eye was I think it went I think it went for one Was a triple towers list Three towers. Oh Gosh, yeah, I saw that one as well. I'm trying to think that's a well-known player who did that somebody new k Yeah, I believe yes, so this is like basically by triple towers I mean two screaming bells and a plague furnace since they can all move on their own now I mean, thank god finally Mission accomplished, but but that that that combined with the fact that they've gotten so cheap because let's face it screaming bells are terrible Like they are just bad units Um, it doesn't matter people are now using them as chaff Like that's your chaff is to you two screaming bells sitting out front because if people have to come and hit them And then they don't kill it. You're just gonna roll and crack it yourself and summon a vermin lord, right? Yeah And like that's that's all it is. It's just like it you don't care about the guy on top You don't care about any of its rules. You don't care about ringing the bell It's just a thing. You're forcing your opponent to go attack so you can crack it and get a free vermin lord out of it hilarious hilarious Um, what a what a what a great use for this classic piece of uh of the scaven army But you're gonna see sort of strange looks like that. You mentioned annihilators, you know, so like annihilator Sort of skewing lists with like a lot of that stuff floating around. Yeah, sure The one and only jack armstrong vents has picked has picked up annihilators so That it's it's hit the jack armstrong zone buddy Then you know it's good Tom mausolee he ran the triple towers Oh, there you go. Yes very nice Yeah, what event was that that was at these just a series gt. Yeah rich in companies event nice, so Uh, assistant. Oh, yeah, i'd net that's another good example for the ways you mentioned like some of those things coming down But yeah, I think I think all of these Uh, you're gonna see unusual sort of skewed lists Because of that'll be competitive But we'll be weird skewed lists like tyler if your dream was like this highlander thing Some of these armies are just not going to live in that space, right? They're just not because they the way they're competing is by Spamming the now units that have gotten cheap enough to be of some kind of value Yeah, uh, this isn't the show for us to continue our ongoing Uh, this discussion around debates around spam. Uh, I just There one thing we didn't talk about last time is the critical mass effect, right? That was embodied by sentinels So whenever that book came out, I ran two by 10 sentinels They were fine at that. They were fine Right. Yes. Yes, and then of course it became two by 20 or whatever whatever And so a number of these war scrolls have this critical mass effect that happens So simply the idea of like point these things, you know, that points are going to do it Just meaning that I think that critical mass effect can make the spam challenge more difficult than it may appear to address So anyway, but that's that's a whole of the different discussion about yeah Can't stand it. Hey hate spam if uh, yeah but hot take hate spam reasonable take And then my last thing was the field of armies that can compete in the 4150 place is actually quite wide right now I think it will be pretty wide. Which is great. That is a good thing All right, Travis. I'm gonna swing over to you first. What did I miss here? What other what other predictions might we might we want to lay down anything else you see on the horizon? Uh, probably some more debuffs on soul blight just because so many people are still playing it and I I think it's still going to do good no matter what they've they've done so far um I Maybe increase zombies a bit more, but I mean The the the building blocks of the army are still the same as many skeletons or as many zombies and I'm going to sit on an objective and Come back Basically. Yep. Yep. So It's still super recursion objective board control armies and every time we've seen that You know every time we've seen that it's always a dominant strategy because if you just like I have a ton of models And they come back and it's just impossible to move me and with sbg It's also and I can pretty easily just straight dunk five out of five battle tactics. Yeah right So That's I I think you're I think you're probably right there Very very cute. It is also think seraphon They they might see a uh debuff coming up with how many mortal wounds they did to tyler at flying monkey con I was good. I didn't I barely talked about that on the show But it scarred him deeply we could all He might not talk about on the show, but I hear it enough sure We could all we could all feel the emotional pain residing right below the surface. So gravel six hours for an event Game one Or you've touched the model 50 50 damage. How does that sound 42 mortal wounds sounds great Sign me up for the next tournament with that, please. Sure. Hey, I lost go trek to some skinks. So Well, who's hurting more that sounds about right Predictions yeah, you want me to say something intelligent or probably not intelligent Well, Hades is getting me wound up. It doesn't take much Hades to get me wound up right now. Can you keep keep it up? Uh, I I do love all troglas secretly, but I don't tell anybody despite how painful they can be sometimes I don't know. Tracy's got a great list this weekend. Lots of trucks beautiful Uh, I mean, I yeah, I think we're gonna Definitely continue to see four ones five o's across a lot of factions storm cast is unfortunately at the point of You're gonna see multiple different lists running various spam vexler spam Uh, thunder strike chariots storm strike chariot spam and I later know we're on the edge of a new army of renown with storm cast I mean that has been yeah in the dawn bringers 3 preview So which is going to clearly be dragon focused, right? So that could open that door as well Yeah I hope we see I mean, I don't know if this yeah predictions or hopes whatever the some of the melee War scrolls and slinnish get some point drops so that we can balance things out a little bit Uh, I mean, yeah Thank you We we have not been seeing them put up any results We've got a bunch of the spot marks we're showing up this weekend in one of the lists So we'll see how that goes in a stew Uh lemming I've can't remember stew's last name And then what else what else events do we have here that we should knight haunt? They seems like they've been struggling, you know, we've been seeing some results with them Big wall very strong right now With with the battle tactic situation being on easy mode for them Uh, I like the place that lumineth is in I'm just saying random things here at this point Since I didn't prepare any particular predictions for you once one cities is actually legal And fully released. I think it's gonna be pretty good Yeah, I think that's gonna drop like a yeah in the meta. Absolutely. Yep. I agree Um, especially we don't get some some pretty significant changes around to what's You know currently on offer in the book as it were Right. Yeah, I I accidentally had an mpe last last night I accidentally Tyler said my first list was too soft. So I changed some things and went too hard That's against a crack addicts plastic crack addicts not newbie not It's not newbie a newer player that we're trying. Okay. All right. I'm gonna you get me wound up I plan on playing you and you switched on me. I did switch on you The title of speech is in a is in a weird place. Yeah, so For some reason events in my mind, uh, this book They have historically been Redicent or they've ignored a lot of the a number of the worst roles in this book Have not gotten point adjustments over the years, right? Like I don't know It's a cheater book. It's hard to balance It's got a lot of weird different things a couple of times where they did get somewhat aggressive Remember things went sideways fast. So think about a little your little sky sharks, right? Um, they dropped those guys down too low once and it was suddenly just like and now there's 24 of them on the table and everybody's just sailing over everything doing mortal wounds. It was like, oh god What happened, you know, we just dropped them 20 points and all of a sudden they just flooded onto tables So I I think there's just a It's it's the magic season. It's the magic book. It doesn't feel like it should need help and yet here we are Right where it's just not putting up the results. So it's it's a strange one And yes, dear, I will both answer you and say to my wife. Thank you for giving me with those dice early I've started playing my new character that those dice were for and I didn't want to wait like a month And my wife was very kind and gave me those dice that I had requested for my birthday early My new special dice for my new special character. Okay. So She's the best. Yes. She is. She is very good. All right Uh Hey, tell me what let's talk about vault work. Shall we let's get it. Let's stop talking about the generic And let's get into the specific Let's see What's coming up this weekend? We've talked about the meta. We've laid down some ground work Right Now let's see how that manifests okay Assistant ref said I think you mean the anti-magic season. That's you're not wrong. Uh, that's what I think it is. Yeah Uh, okay All right, quick overview. This is this coming weekend Uh, what do you got 54 players? Is that what we're dealing with here? Indeed. Oh, yeah Okay At metagames unlimited in spring field, Missouri the url is right there This is using differential scoring with a max of 170 tournament points available army list 10 battle 100 paint 30 sports 25 favorite 05 Tiebreakers or battle points battle tactics achieved and denied and graduate strategies achieved and denied Uh attacker defender Roll off winner chooses to be a attacker defender defender chooses territory attacker deploys first Terrain preset by the tos and mark the defensible impassable and or obscuring parts of a terrain feature four inches or taller are impassable mysterious terrain in use Unless both players agree not to use it. Okay And then battle plans you got five of a possible seven Every step is forward fountains of frost geomantic pulse limited resources No risk without reward power flux and spring the trap. I like most of those. So I think that's pretty good It's a good list. It's a good list Okay So that's kind of our basics of what's going on here What people would be building into and then tyler or travis, whoever you want I'm gonna throw it over to you guys talk about the uh, I want to talk about the awards Why'd you do the awards you were maybe travis? Maybe you talk generally and then tyler Maybe you talk about highlander and what that is. How's that sound? Yeah, yeah, so general we got uh best all around. It's uh the person who had the Most points total basically um You know one most games Got the most painting points and Everybody thought he was a good guy or didn't think he was a jerk at least um Then we have best general. That's the person who uh Basically won every game or got as many points as possible Uh, and then highlander, which is one of our special ones. You want to talk about that tyler? It's kind of your idea Well, maybe I'll do that at the end because I've got a lot to say obviously about highlander We'll come back to it. Okay. Well, you get a sword if you win it. How about that? Yes, yeah, I like swords Yeah, the swords in this room. You are known to like swords. Yes Uh best in the grand alliance kind of a normal one that most tournaments do hard mode which is Kind of we we did it last year and had a lot more options on armies that were considered hard mode Uh, it's the ones that you you build a list that's Basically off meta. It's you know, you're you're you're building a list with teeth, but not necessarily fangs You're not going for a You know, this is the net list that everybody's bringing or this is Something that Probably is going to go 5.0. You're looking to have a good time. You're seeing how well you can do with sub optimal units And uh, we'll see how that goes and I think we have about eight lists that we Picked that are eligible for this one. Yeah And we'll just kind of keep track of how they do And then uh, best tactician, uh this one I think it's new for us this year, but uh, john thomas award trev. Yeah, exactly the john thomas last last vault wars Uh, he completed all what Five battle tactics every single one. Yeah in all of his games So we we thought that deserves a award because it's not necessarily easy Yeah, we didn't we didn't give him anything for his accomplishment We realized after the fact Other than saying well done well done Look at you Uh, the best painted we have two paint judges who will walk around uh at lunch on the first day Check out your armies. Tell us how they think you did players choice, uh the the best painted army by uh, The players and then best table is one that uh, we started last year as well where Anyone could submit a table of terrain and the mat and all that kind of stuff and the players vote Which one they think looks the best Uh, best we need this more in the community. Yeah, sure That I mean for us it's it's helped build our our stable of tables too. Yeah I've I've done two one one's actually good Uh, Bryce Bryce has done what four or five, maybe six. Oh man. Yeah four or five. Yeah, he's been on a roll He's amazing that that slave labor is uh, it's good price. Sorry. That's probably not a very pc But it's his joke. I'm just repeating it sure But we've got a few people this year coming from out of town bringing tables. So that's pretty neat. Uh, nice Nice excitement in the community Um, then we've got favorite opponent Everybody knows how that kind of votes and the cleanest opponent is Kind of one that uh, we feel should be In more tournaments. It's the player who played the best warhammer. It's somebody who played by the the code of conduct Uh, they were on time They they knew all their rules They corrected Your rules when it was beneficial to your opponent that kind of thing Right Travis, you do that a lot, don't you? You're well known for yeah I've been known to get a lecture from you about being a better person, but okay. All right, but I'm not going for this award. Obviously Uh, but you know, it's it's it's somebody who uh, you know is is a good opponent basically Yeah, oh, yeah, that's that's the awards Very nice. All right, Tyler. Let's talk about Highlander Yes, all right Highlander so for the gen alpha gen z's Folks who have not seen the tv series the movies there can be only one famous line from the series the show Highlander we've got a replica longsword for the player who does the best Most tournament points using an army list with nine or more different war scrolls. No duplicate war scrolls Endless spells and implications do not count. Yes, you can run your war brand warband and count for two war scrolls And we have I think 20 by my count 20 of the 54 lists qualified according to the data used at me Yes, that just puts a smile on any too's face when Most people are like one of my one of one of our collaborators are not a grump or a grouch And you're not giving you a hard time about trying to do something different not to name any names We love them And yeah, like I'm so excited about this. There's a lot to say about it Vince. I don't know if this is the time to do it Maybe when we get into the list we can talk more about it The first thing is this is an experiment, right? So obviously One of my peccadillo's is wanting to see more variety in list There are some armies that can be highly competitive and have a lot of variety You know, like gitz corn Seraphon Some of these armies happen to be very good in the game right now Some of these armies happen to be highly played in the Midwest Many players who are already like corn players coming to our tournament But in general, yeah, I'd love to get into some thoughts on initial learning You know, like what we're seeing so far from these Highlander lists because I think it's fascinating And I would love to see more tournaments do something like this Nice, but yeah, very excited about this if you can't tell Like I think that's really like I love the idea. I think it's great I love sub contests like this in awards where it's actually guiding list building We have to think about it sort of, you know from the inception of the thing And obviously you guys have shared this that's been part of the pack Forever so people knew could plan to it, you know and everything like that I I love the idea of showing up with a sub goal like sure. I'm trying to do well or whatever whatever But now I'm really going for this. This is my thing that I care about and like carving out more space for people to have The individual things that they care about it's the same thing hard mode also does Um gives people more ways to engage with the tournament And like regardless of of what they're they end up doing they feel like they're still like playing for something Right. Yep. And so they yeah people like winning swords too winning swords is pretty cool It's totally opt-in right so yeah, this does not have to work for everybody Most armies in the game could be eligible for this some armies will be better at it than others But it's opt-in right you don't have to do it. It's it's just there as you said So yeah, I'd love to see again more The Highlander show up at more events. I just I think it it adds a lot to the to the scene But yeah, and just to touch on something like yes, there is some armies where this is like Either really really hard or just like not feasibly possible the easy answer here is something like Like sons of badminton right like the number of schools just doesn't exist you can't have Nine different worse worlds. I mean theoretically with the Even with the goblins in there you can't get this seven Yeah, exactly Um, so like and that's fine like it's fine Like who cares who cares that like there's a couple armies that can't do it There's other things they could play for right right as other things they can do it doesn't need the fact that it It doesn't include every single army doesn't make it any less Cool as to what it does for the whole thing. Yeah, like FEC or and iron jaws would have a challenge Like I think iron jaws does have nine scrolls now with the new scrolls. They can finally do it They couldn't in the past like post dawn bringers, too. They actually can Do this now It's cool Yeah Assumingly I think FEC would will probably be able to post whenever they get an actual 3.0 book if Sort of what we've seen here is any prediction assuming they get the iron jaws treatment, which we all hope they do One little thing about the the nine so That means you're not able to put yourself into a one drop the best you can do is a two drop with battle regiments So you can get up to eight right to be a behemoth with battle regimen So I you know one little thing events I've told you before went through all of the Factions in the game a while back and just nine seemed like the right number to where you're actually Requiring to get more variety some actual list composition differences with enough actions again Not everybody is going to be affected meaningfully by this, but yeah Yeah, I mean the important thing to understand in there is you did not Pull that number out of like no You know just like out of the air that was that was again that was based on you know Looking at research looking at the armies looking at what could we reasonably achieve? What's going to actually lead to high variance that can hours of research? Yeah, just yeah hours and hours for great execution Yeah, that's that's I do things Yeah okay Vault war stats, let's talk some stats travis was nice enough to prepare some stats for us Uh, so thank you travis here. We've got at first our factions Representing uh with Blades of corn and slaves to darkness both clocking in at seven the big the big winners there and then gloom spite and storm cast both coming in at five and then scaven Soulbite grave lords and obr at four and then Sons of badminton selvaneth at three and then it kind of drops from there Uh, so yeah, what do you think about this spread gentlemen? It would have been pretty but then uh a selvaneth player dropped and we added a Sons of behemots, so that's why it's yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I got you Uh, it's all good doesn't that like a bar chart with a little bit of variance is a good bar chart That's what you want to see. I mean, what do you guys think about this? See you you had mentioned so let me let me go here real quick Uh, what is this things not showing up? Who's who's not here? We were missing disciples of singe Uh flesh eaters cruel boys big wall bone splitters daughters of cane and fire slayers Yeah, yeah, that's just that alone speaks volumes. I think uh I'm I honestly have you told me that list. I'm like, okay The only thing that surprises me would be that cities isn't in that list, but that's because you allowed it with the Sure the limited range as it were Right somebody asked me this week What's the rarest army in the midwest and so I looked at the last Three or four gts and that was uh daughters of cane They didn't show up at uh any of the last four So It's a challenge right now that army does not play into the current meta at all at all Well, shout out to dale dale johnson. I believe his name is uh four avatars of cane vents Uh, there's somebody who's been on your show talking about average cars of cane for a long time About how good they are how they need to be ran more Uh, it's probably tom tom probably was saying that and yeah, so I think there might be something to it Just uh look at some other war scrolls in that book All right, I understand. I'm just saying like it's it's tough. It's tough. That's fair. That's fair Like you're relying on magic and you have no good casters to do any of your like combat buffs and You know your units are all made of paper and an attrition meta. It's like oh boy Uh Yeah, that's that's hard Okay, I look I was happy to see four scaven players showing up these these bold brave Rats these these people are my heroes. I'm here for it Uh, you know the glooms fight gets players representing as always like I said gs Like glooms fight and storm cast. I think that's just like that just shows up You can't stop it. It's always going to be there those two and slight They're pretty popular exactly s2d another mega popular army, right? That's just like you say you got a tournament your first three players that show up are like Glooms fight gets storm cast and a saves the darkest player and they're like, we're ready to go They're there's like if you just randomly picked an aos player, they'd be playing one of those three armies, right? All right Little yeah, I mean I thought guys this matched pretty well the data that we're seeing from more hammer stats a few things were off Right like a smaller number of serif on then you'd expect on average Uh, I can't recall a big wall. I have to go back and see what big wall. What was big wall 24? decent number not huge number 34 Uh, but everything else is ogres. We little surprise. We didn't see many ogres show up. Do we even have a single? I think we've got yeah, we got uh, michael moorley doing his ogres. Mike. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah, he's running monster trucks Uh, what a love to have seen some gutbusters. They're pretty popular in the midwest And us in general nergal as well a little surprised. We didn't see more than at least one nergal jeff nauman Tio gateway open. He always runs nergal Uh, so he's bringing them. He's the only one though thought we might see a glotkin Uh with mageth lords But yeah, generally pretty spot on what would have expected Yeah, and then drops this was a fascinating stat. So looking at that highlander. It had an effect Right, like you can see it here in the stats your point of being like well the the you know going nine Uh separate scrolls means you can't be one drop as easily most of time in a tournament when you look it's like one drop Everything else right and here right To drop way way up above everything else because that's sort of the minimum you can be and still qualify for highlander And the fact that more than a third of your lists are highlander lists not that they're all two drop There are highlander lists. They're more than two drop, of course Yeah, but it's set that floor and you really see that in effect and having having a place there Which is pretty cool. There's only what like eight one drops. I think yeah Yeah Yeah I mean It's working overall as a great I assume escaven player is the 12th drop I think it's corn I think most of the corn players went pretty high drops Gotcha John was 11 drops with his scaven. I don't know if anybody any other scaven were beating him just looking here real quick But yeah, we keep going Yeah, so overall I just think it was scaven's keegan graves is the 12 drop. Okay. Nice Good man. Good man. 12 drop is where scaven wants to be 12 or 14 drops. You're you're in the sweet spot for scaven He's got some tasty all this mission real quick just in case we don't talk about it. Maybe we will Did you pick out keegan? We can hit his list. We can hit his list. Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna lie. Tyler I looked at every scaven list first that was I mean, I figured I am a simple man All right, I'll I'll save that tech talk. He's got got a nice surprise in his list. Nice little combo Yeah, so that that was really encouraging to see yeah the drop count being affected There love that Lots about a reg 44 15 warlord 14 andy acolytes That's pretty good number. Yeah That's uh, yeah Yeah, that's yeah good Let's uh, let's go here. Let's take a look specifically. Let's talk about our actual Counts of grand strats and battalions because I thought this was interesting as well. This was included in here Uh, so battle reg still the king at 44, but again, it's not as easily Allowing people to go straight to one because of the highlander thing putting putting some soft Counter pressure there. You didn't you didn't change a rule. You didn't restrict anybody I said, here's an extra incentive and people responded accordingly. You love to see it Uh, warlord at 15 and andy acolytes at 14 neither of those surprising and then just like then the cliff Right So I kind of remember who took wizard finders Uh, I know they showed up. I didn't actually clock corn. Okay Yeah, I think we may have had a storm cast at least one storm cast with vanguard Obviously, we've got two redemption brotherhoods. That's storm cast Got a slaves of darkness in there and iron jaws in there Richmond of noun I think that might have been the one of the sun's players with the the gits And yeah, uh, good to see that acolytes number pretty high. I mean, obviously Bench, you know that I've been saying that You know thinking that that is often worth consideration going to three drop rather than just the one drop Yes, I love when people take it because then I out drop them since I generally get to two drops I'm here for it. And then I like to watch them roll that dice every turn and go. Oh, I didn't get it Somebody needs to put you in your place sometime Really fun to watch. It's one of my favorite things when they're like, oh didn't get it It's a shame Spellcasting savants no surprise there. That's the gosh guys the what what was the My brain the grand strategies last scene is just completely up my brain I whatever whatever the popular one. That's that's that's what we got going on Take what's there's or whatever. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah Uh, so just as many people want to kill that one wizard. Yeah Yeah, you've got savante at 11 and then kill all the wizards at 10, right? Like right basically the same number it and for our purposes here And then overshadow at nine and then again the cliff, right? And then that's where it comes down to then a bunch of singles and stuff like that. So Yeah This generally, yeah I would say matches all of our expectations of what we would see out of the season those three at the top Bear nice escape can be hard because if somebody's just got like a little unit, right that they can Put within the center of the battlefield six inches sitting in the battlefield You don't have to wait to completely zone out the center of the battlefield at that point in the game And then sorry, you felt your battle tactic or you felt your grand strat But yeah, I tried out bear nice escape a few times. It's not the easiest thing in the world unless you're just I tried it at flying monkey and Didn't get it any time It's tough. It really is tough. Yeah I mean and honestly slaughter of sorcery can be pretty hard too. Like it's easy to You often take it if you were there either running one wizard Who's going to tend to suicide play or you don't have any wizards at all But people will protect their wizards A lot it can be like a really tough one to to get unless you unless you're playing something very offensive or or shooty or Highly mobile worry or or whatever where you know, you're just going to like high You stand a high chance to table them One of the problems of slaughter of sorcery is it tends to reward you only when you're already in a very dominant position So like it's it's never going to be the grand strat that you're like Oh, well, I unless they also showed up with no wizards and then they kick your butt, right? You just get it for free But it's never going to be one that's like, oh, I was losing but I still get my grand strat Right and and some of them you can still be in that place So and that's the challenge of slaughter. You have to be both already winning and then win more Right Um, so or suicide your wizards. What's that or just suicide your wizards. Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. Absolutely. Yes Yes, okay Uh, all right And then finally characters, this is a really interesting one you you included Obviously the interesting part to me here is our two winners Which is There are seven Blades of corn players There are six Scar brands, so that means one corn player was like, nah Don't need them. Don't need them. Everybody else is on the scar brand train Yes, I'm curious who the hell that was. Oh, I think okay. I got it. It was bob martin. Good job, bob. All right. Excellent I forgot to pocket rice instead Yeah, yeah Gross in a different way And then bellicor right beneath that at five again completely unsurprising bellicor mr. Uh, mr. I can fix it Uh, the answer to any problem. Maybe and and most of them it's not in slaves He's he's in everyone else's arm. Yeah Yeah, get to get good at rolling three ups That guy visits, uh, he's he's been visiting around the world all over the place. He's uh, he's the Current like s2d diplomat Uh, he's he's constantly passing the um The knighting cantor on their various diplomatic journeys out to other armies And then finally got a lot of twos like arc on the black and belladama The celestin prime draka Um catacross and so on So there's somebody the i was surprised missing From this list. You guys know you got a guess Who do you think's missing? Glocken Glocken. Yeah No go trick I think go trick is another one What seven go tracks that flying monkey is all over the place Yeah, and he's been all over the place in the meta for a little while Yeah, he's this has been the season of go trick and yeah Little surprised Fair enough though. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I I've always found him very problematic honestly to just like actually utilize In a way that that pays dividends is my honest answer Great. I think he's great with you Yeah, let me let me tell you what the the crime the absolute crime is on this on the sheet tyler This is the other thing I wanted to address We got four scaven players Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we got one Slink skitter shank in this situation the other three of you. What are you doing with your lives? I'm not bringing slink The man the myth the legend the wrap Like it gets old It really gets old agreeing with you, but I gotta agree with you I played against that little something or other and Alex infamous Alex Cotter local player Nobody locally should be giving me crap about my dice rolling Ever again because this man exists This man has the greatest luck known to mankind when it comes to dice rolling. He claims to only roll ones and sixes I don't believe the ones part. He killed the great and clean one round one With one warp lightning cannon shooting and slink and his posse Just took him out And yeah, I don't know what the math is on that but uh that improbable. It's not huge It's obviously not likely but It is what slink can do. That's why I always bet on slink Okay, because he can be explosive. That's the whole point. That's why I love slink. That's why I love his little posse Um because they just like all it takes is for the dice to tilt slightly in your favor and slink just like oops killed that unit Yeah right Uh, so yeah I'm uh, I'm gonna convert Uh, and shout out to the person who was brave enough to bring the lady of vines. So awesome What's that? Yeah, that's great beautiful model Okay lists Let's talk lists boys. You love this crap. You need to take prime time to an actual tournament You do you have a prime time painted up? Yeah, I have multiple. Okay. All right. Take them to you. Love this this if we went back. I think this might be your Uh highest like per equivalent You don't know what that means you should uh For a a image. I I got it out. I eventually spit it out. You love this image. That's I do use a lot Yeah, what can I say? There are certain images I really like especially a sort of page breakers and presentations and that one's very stunning It's using really interesting colors and composition. It's a great. It's a great piece of art And sell us a prime is cool Like what do you want? Okay, it's really cool last night. Let's take 15 minutes to talk about it round three Get into it. That's still the round everybody. He wiped out It was so good. All right. Thanks for having me thinking about it. All right. Okay. I'm glad you had a good game all right I haven't seen you that happy in a while uh Okay, so here, uh, I have the There's the lists Just kind of a general here's everybody and what they're running and whether or not they're highlander But uh, let's let's get into this Uh, where would we like to go? What's our plan here? We're just going to scroll through and you want to stop who do you want to jump around who has lists They want to talk about Well, I'm here for five hours. I know about you guys. So why don't you tell me you're not doing that This is not going to be a long portion of the show. We're going to reserve We're going to review a few lists each Uh, shout out to both brendan melnick and christian weir who were here last weekend. We got a good game warhammer in So not not last I guess a week and a half ago. Um, that was great And uh, so uh, I am sad that brendan is not bringing his Uh saraphon, but I'm glad he's running sylvaneth and he's and he's highlander. Good on him. So yeah, absolutely. Yeah Good list. It's all the list. Uh, let's start with alex codder speaking of alex. Let's say some nice things about alex Let's get into it Is broken dice. All right, so last nice thing. So here all week Alex is uh, is a very good player Uh, he gives us a lot of trouble. Uh, he's been playing a lot of powerful list. Uh, his favorite models That's uh, that's an inside joke are all of his favorite models. Sorry alex. We love you, buddy and He's running a I think a lovely highlander scaven list Uh, vence, what do you think about this man? I I think he's got a lot of nice grabback choices here Yeah, he's got the plate Yeah, so He so I like this list a lot You can see the change from it being a highlander list Okay Um, by the way, uh, I didn't mention I haven't mentioned in a little while But if you're excited about a super awesome scaven list or just any list in general hit like Hit subscribe do all those things that make things. It's super fun. Okay, so things I like in this, um the Uh, the master molder, uh, obviously being power paired with the rat ogres is incredibly good Um, he's that's just you know, really really strong Um, the plague priest he has the 20 plague monks. You wouldn't bring that normally you would do two by five Uh, sensor bears that would be the play Okay, but obviously that would have that would have robbed him of of highlander, right? Yep Now I will say at the same time I probably would have just I don't know. I might have just taken 10 Sensor bears. I'm not sure. Um, they're they're battle line all the same All right, they they they turn battle line because of the plague priest all the same Um warbringers great. He can be a perfectly powerful piece on his own No, I mean can be quite damaging. You know what the shield of distraction is doing? Uh, the shield of distraction is just like the neg one to hit. I think I'll stop my head Sounds right. Yeah, it's it's it's one of the verminous items. It's pretty good. Okay, but it's I think it's the one that Only one unit can attack it Yeah, that might be right. That might be right. Yes. I think that's right. Um, I am personally more of a fan of the like Um, yeah one enemy combat kills everybody save By one when you're within three inches of them. I like that one on solo operating pieces like this Like a what's it workstone charm or rusting shield or something? I don't remember It's one of the items that goes on. Yeah, it's one of the ones that goes all the way back to like fourth edition um magic items Um, Selink is awesome world lock engineers here to power pair with the warp lighting cannon. So perfectly fine Um, all that's good, you know, your standard 20 clan rats. Sure. Why not? And then I the rat ogres are Tragically undercounted or undervalued. I think they're just absolutely incredible Um, they are a very very very powerful unit Pretty scary to do an incredible amount of work, especially when they've got a master molder behind them whipping them and staying within 13 inches of them and so on And uh, you know the hell pit is like a fun goofball unit If it doesn't get shot and it actually goes and fights something depending on that unit as long as you pick its target Right, it can do good work. And then you still have the vortex, which he's going to be harder pressed to power out here Like he doesn't have anybody who who's going to be really great at powering that out the engineers. Okay. He can obviously eat his He can obviously eat his uh his spark to To get it out. Um, but you know, it's it's not it's not as good as having like your grace here or something like that to power it out Yeah, um The obviously the biggest problem with the list is he's be like because he has no grace here He has no skitter even right and that is that that is a big hit to what you're generally wanting to do Uh with scaven just because it does provide you with quite a lot of versatility Uh with getting your heroes wherever you need them to be especially when combined with your knoll holes You kind of lose like half your knoll holes functionality when you don't have skitterleaf to kind of pair around with it even with the new improved knoll holes um the um But yeah, overall, I mean, I think this is a very interesting list, you know, you've got slink that's nice You got a little bit of ambushy stuff. Um You know, he came in at 1990. I think in my build of this tyler, I would have said forget the triumph Um, and I would have probably gone to a five pack of um of sensor bears and Five pack of gutter runners because that would be 190 points So like it's exactly the amount of points you have to spare. I'd still Be highlander, right? So cool. Um, I think it'd be one maybe one more drop Maybe not. No, I don't know what you wouldn't need to get a draw. You'd still be a two drop. Yeah Yeah, you'd still fit in two drop. So That's probably the change I would make and that's just because I just don't believe in plague monks. I just don't Um, I think that too often in the current meta, they can just end up bouncing pretty hard Off of anything. I just don't think they're an actual hammer Whereas sensor bears are a much lower cost if it can do actually a lot more damage if you pick their target, right? Um, and like, you know sensor bears with rabbit rabbit is really good. So Um Whereas plague monks with rabbit rabbit will just be like if they didn't damage it before they're basically not damaging it now Even if you put a whore frost on them, I mean the whore frost should go on the rat ovars Like you're you're gonna whore frost your rat ovars because you roll the one it goes on their hit roll And suddenly they are just straight liquid death on that side, right? Um, you roll the three it goes on their rend and they will just kill anything Sure, right because they're making so many attacks with sixes double tapping Like when that goes to rend three that is it whatever they touch is just evaporated It is one of the most powerful units in the game to whore frost like they're their stat line takes a whore frost Perfectly and now that six is the new coherency. They're even better Yeah, right So I just I mean I really cannot praise six rat ovars enough By the way, when they die, they stand a very high percentage chance of just coming back Right. So six just like there they are. They're back three out And if you don't have a way to uh, like area of effect off the master molder He's going to be in the back of the board like in a corner. Yeah, I'm ready to to take them So yeah, yeah, yeah, if that thing's alive, they're they're able to come back on a three out Really powerful. Yeah, but it's this is pretty honest warhammer. I played against this the other week. Yeah good list, but yeah That's because skaven is playing fair warhammer Of cheating on us skaven plays the fairest warhammer. Look Tyler. I don't want it to be true, but it is true Jesus It's all four of saves All right, let's move on quickly. What else we got okay who you want to go to next. Let's see Uh, we've got the we've got, uh, bob barton's corn highlander list Uh, anything anybody wants to say here. He's got this. He has the cockatrice brought in which is fun He is one drop Uh, wait, how is he one drop with the highlander list? He is Oh, did uh, oh uh, oh Uh, oh, does somebody not do their job? Did I fail? Did what second list in and I have failed Let's see one two three four This cock cockatrice is not a monster, right? It's not a monster It's not a behemoth. I don't think Um So he's not a highlander one two three four five six seven eight. Oh, he's got the crown spine nine Uh, he's still No, I think your math is wrong on what can be a one drop because you've got three heroes Five units and a monster I thought it was two heroes and metal reg Is it three? It's three. Yeah Oh, okay. Oh, well shoot Here I thought it was being clever with the nine to turn off the one drop You have to fill out all the other things though. So there you go. Yeah, right Interesting. Okay, so Well, there you go Uh, all right. Well, hey Yeah, uh, got a few different choices with this list with the cockatrice You don't see the crown spine and corn that much Uh, 30 blood reverse. You don't see that much Yeah, that's that's pretty wild. Uh Yeah, he's not putting whore for us anything because he's corn on them. So Other than that. Yeah, halo blood pretty common Uh halo blood. That's the fight last I believe or the turnoff ward. I think it's the fight last but one one or the other and Pretty good at killing themselves strike strike first It's not the fight last strike first Like a priest What's that trap blood blood's great. It's pretty good at killing themselves to uh, have a wild crown spine sure Yeah, yeah, definitely a different list. So good to see Uh, yeah, some of these let's try to cook them quickly brands. I played him at Uh, flying monkey awesome guy. Uh, he mentioned that he was interested in playing legion So I brought legion to flying monkey didn't do very well, but that's such as life and He has a cool list. So he's got belly. He's got the buddies belly and a ternus. Love it It's got a gaunt summoner. Don't see that a whole lot. I think that's an interesting play knows everything Yes And all the slaves of darkness spells. Yeah, dude has magic Whatever he wants to Yeah Now the shout out here is chaos warshrine bellicor Eternus the gaunt summoner who knows every spell basically right and then spire tyrants and some furies Like yeah, that's my style of battle line And sastay Yeah, absolutely getting them 70 point spire tyrants in there I don't even know the last time I saw them on a list, but I love it and leisure the first prince is great I really do think it's a very weird unusual army to play Switching marks around and doing stuff like always trying to toolbox your way out of any problem So it looks very very fun um Yeah, I it has a lot of play like yeah, just had had an unfortunate run. It has a lot of play Uh, yeah, uh, what else brendon with of course our as I mentioned our diplomatic visiting knight and cantor From the storm cast as always Why is it sylvaneth can't just have their own castors? Why are they always borrowing it from the humans? That's what I want to know, you know Who's the battle mages before of gur and now it's now it's not in cantors. This is this kind of thing um Yeah, we've got the hunters With great great unit right now. Yeah, very very good unit Got some big fight writer lancers. We've got some aether wing allies the individual tree lord. Yeah, fantastic I love this list. Uh, I'm very biased burning this longtime friend with vince and I So this is my favorite of the list for what it's worth of the sylvaneth The other ones are interesting as well But I really love the composition of this list as a highlander. He's got the auto unbind He's got an extra cast with the incantor that's going to be doing mystic shield Uh, he the only thing for a critique So I was talking to the david side bother events we've had on a couple times talking about sylvaneth And david was pointing out That he thinks radiant spirit is being undervalued by sylvaneth players So radiant spirit is the one that gives you real protection against magic in this in this season quite quite relevant So, yeah, I probably personally would have gone for that people are still leaning into the spell singer Right for the additional mortal moon bomb range for the giving out buffs Uh, you know to trees from anywhere on the board Uh, but yeah, excellent composition. I think we've talked about sprite writer lancers the bugs How they should see more play this season. Yep. Yeah, and just I think excellent comp composition all around so Yeah Brent, I don't have to say his last name. No man. No man. No man. Okay Uh, great. Love to see an iron jaws list and some blood toofs Very classic list mega boss Uh on mawcrusher mega boss on foot chaner chaner shaman Ard boys the new build and then brutes brutes gorgon is gorgon is gorgon is pigs pigs pigs Uh, I mean, let's face it. Where we went wrong here with this list Brent. I like it. You're you're clearly your good guy 11 drops 138 wounds like everything about it clearly except the one mistake you made Which was giving an orc mega boss an arcane tome and then taking a shaman. These are unnecessary These are unnecessary things and the iron jaws all you need to smash Uh, we didn't we didn't need this indoor and alco acolyte waste of a battalion Uh, and and no like that that mega boss could have been had anything else could add anything else. That's a better Uh, you don't need magic in iron jaws. You know, you know what your magic spell is you cast an iron jaws. Tyler Do you know what it is? It's called punch It's called punch. We're not casting a spell. I know that. Okay. Yeah, yes fair enough It's the best spell in the game punch It's amazing Uh, open self up to some or ourselves a potential criticism here. We did choose this as a hard mode No, I do think it is Yeah, it absolutely is very old Fair challenging warhammer to do well with this kind of list. Yes. Yes Mega bosses are very weak right now for their points. Like it is Shocking how how little those guys do for for what they are Yeah, so Love that he's playing it. I hope he does well Another uh, brian bowman with a sylvaneth list, uh, big difference here. We got spirited dorotheum. We got to draka rocking in here So very very big hero side a lot a lot of hero power Like, you know, basically a thousand points of heroes of just three and more than a thousand points total And just three heroes Do you like the heavy hero strategy or you feel like that's too much investment for that thing? uh Yeah Many as as cheap of a battle line you can get and whatever else fits. That's the travelist right there. Yeah Yeah, and you can go for one or one four. It's just Flip the dice Let's flip the flip the coin I don't i'm not a huge fan of this list I'm a huge fan of the player brian bowman local player awesome guy Uh, buffus guy in the local meta. That's not, you know, it's not a not a lot of competition for that But but he definitely wins it I he's got a lot of nice pieces here. I'm not sure this is going to add up I hope he does well with it, but I like the pieces I just don't like the the aggregate here And and kind of a competition that composition choices with with a lot of this But yeah, he's uh very new to soap enough I'm excited to watch him in this game. See how it goes. Sounds good Sorry about our first sole blight entry carter Uh, so a little veerkos velodama gorslaw vampire lord 20 skeletons 60 zombies 40 zombies 20 zombies 10 dire wolves the corpse cart with the load zone and the suffocating grave tide Also known as cancer And the most ones in the tournament. Yeah at 192 Yeah 192 wounds woof woof I didn't have at least one good on your carter So that's gonna be a lot of five upboards whoever fights this enjoy have a good time You're gonna really you're gonna really have fun. You're gonna really just really have fun there. It's gonna be great And the corpse cart with the zombies Yeah Uh Yeah, is that is that carter? Is that your list is he watch right now? What's up carter? He said i'm cancer Yes What's up, buddy? You're fine for playing it brother. It's fine. You play your list But yes, this is just like this is truly my nightmare of things to play against like this is just just Just an absolute top to bottom nightmare He's he's one of the players who's putting the gt in vault wars this year. So we we we appreciate those players absolutely Charles bringing some ocear petrofex elite a little catacross and a shaper and mortis guard 10 more tech six stalkers Five cavillos two archive and the harvester. So again I think in line a little few different choices here But but largely in line with what I would expect out of a petrofex elite OBR list so Yeah, a little little different than what we had been saying of course with the drops to the harvester and the Yeah, I remember with the the debuff to the harvester people are saying we'll never see it again. It's gone It's it's certainly back Turns out. Yeah, it's pretty good at 160 points monster does good damage brings models back We've got 30 more tech gardenet coming up here a little bit later. Yeah solid list Nice all you know fairly fairly decent all around here. Yeah, nothing too crazy Charles fox with corn highlander To a flying monkey fantastic to Charles rocking a highlander A lot of good choices. So he's got the triple Bloodthirsters scar brand unfettered fury wrath A lot of the choices you'd expect to see right in a competitive corn list Halo blood our got the king of blades firebrand for the prayers Did he go? What did he do? He did warlord? Did he lean into? No, he did not lean into extra Prayers, so we're just sticking with one prayer here. No Uh, but yeah, no, I think it's uh, it's a nice list Uh, he has two prayers the firebrand it makes his bloodthirster a prayer Right, but it looks like his warlord was just one choice of prayers. Yeah. Yeah, just one choice He's been on the extra artifact here so Yeah, a lot of these are the choices Love seeing the cost of karnak in there. That's great. Those guys are fun I also like seeing the three blood crushers. I think that's actually a Yeah, pretty decent scroll at 180 points. I think blood crushers do have some some play in them I don't think I think I see enough of them on the table. So I think that's a pretty solid choice Uh chase our only city list Yeah And he's doing is doing an albertonia style too. Nice Yeah, mist havin choice. Okay. Okay What's that doing griffin marshal on griffin two war forgers steel helms steel helms cavaliers Allied chariot or well, yeah, whatever chariot chariot. Um, so very fun. Not really ally, but you get it Um, the scourge runner chariot. So our kelp. So yep. Yep. Very nice Uh, what's miss havin doing miss havin is in your hero phase if you're outside of 12 You can move d6 or 2d6 if you're mounted. Yep. Okay. Gotcha. I'm chariot. It's gonna be floating As are the cavaliers, obviously So very nice. What do you think about this list? You've been playing cities a fair amount I like it. I like it for for uh, you know the limitations of what's out. Uh, I think it's a good list. Um, you know, not not to Tell all the secrets, but I finally figured out how to Do a Counter charge order Okay, you wait for them to make you redeploy You do it and then you counter charge them when they fail their nine inch charge or whatever Okay, okay nice thing cars and chases making them plutonium chariots, which sounds super cool Yeah Very nice. Yeah, they're good solid war scroll those those chariots Uh, yeah, uh frigo marx on griffons solid pieces. He's got uh smash hammer griffon there Should do some good work three rounds more damage Yeah, are you indeed our old buddy christian weir? Great man Uh, great guy. Uh, a little highlander gets list in mausage orc Uh with uh, grin crack Loon boss on mango squigs the madcap shaman the web spin spinner shaman and the squig boss with nash the squig Then some bounders big pack of shooters big old squig herd of course gava pelusa Uh and the burning head rounding out at 1965 so ready to 10 drops Still 181 wounds I don't point that out like not an insignificant number of wounds that he will be Uh regenerating half of in some cases So actually many many more wounds Then what it says here But but can you bring back more more than the soul bite? Yeah, exactly soul by starting 10 wounds higher it's going to bring back just just as many of them more Yeah Indeed Wrong list. This is a great example what we talked about earlier of where yeah, you can still run A strong highlander list with some of these factions Uh, I you know, we could quibble about whether this has changed much From what we had been seeing a lot of although we've seen a decent amount of variety with uh with the kids list What's you know kind of mixing matching some of the like 36 squigs here or the squig hoppers or the Lotta a lot of stabbers or shooters, but yeah, uh, I love it great list I think he's gonna he's a good player very good player Strong list. I wouldn't be surprised if he does really well Yeah, I think it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be a challenge green crack is a nice I think he's a nice piece. You don't see a ton, but yeah Well saraphon list with a skank star priest and the celestant prime There he is the hammer of sigmar and then of course the venerable lord croak and the banner and so on Standard saraphon nonsense. Um, but we do have some crook some kruyger war spawned and some pterodonticers So we do have some interesting choices here all the same. What do you what do you think about this? You like you travis what what what's your take on this one? Mortal wounds for days always Yep Yeah, I mean knowing the spells that's a little surprising you know seeing a lot of The aether boy pendulum play Grave side play etc with saraphon right now. They can do some Gross things with pendulum. I may have first hand experience And pterodont riders dropping Mortal wounds is pretty cool. I remember we talked about them. Yeah as part of combo mortal woundspan play Yeah, it's it's gonna do what it does It's it's strong I don't think it's as necessarily strong as some of the more standard starborn mortal woundspan builds But yeah, it's it's quite capable Uh, then we've got a then we've got daniel paterson S2d bellicor the sorg lord another eternus. What is all this eternus going on? This is all in host Uh, crazy with ten chosen five cast knights and uh six veron guard and then a couple endless spells Yeah, okay All right, what do you think I played this list or I played against him with I think the same list at gateway open and Top of one he killed archion and made me very sad with those 10 chosen So, uh, it's it's a good list Archon Offside of screens He's good. Yeah, you know doesn't need a screen. Okay. I mean he's the grandmaster of the apocalypse Yeah, yeah destroyed the old world Bringer of ruin destroyer of the old world. Yeah, exactly like he doesn't need he doesn't need ten idiots standing in front of him He's good. I didn't have ten idiots. I had spire tyrants. Sure I had nine at best Uh, then we got daniel with another host the ever chosen list speaking of The grand marshal of the apocalypse archie on the ever chosen And a cast sorg lord and then again ten chosen ten warriors ten warriors ten warriors So clearly just relying on a lot of like backboard battlefield control with the warriors While the ten chosen an archie on march forth and assumingly conquer the entire enemy board Uh all in a one drop seems like a lot that seems like a lot of hope to place on those two units Like you really hope they're gonna get there Dan's a good player Yes, I think you got him beat and then he just pulls it out as the houdini of our local community Yeah, nice, especially especially with corn Uh, yeah, I'm really curious to see how this does for him He needs to wear his kiss t-shirt Because he is keeping it very simple Uh this time around but yeah, uh, I like the list It's nice David dvorak, uh with a little lrl Going for the great nation of zytrek Leaning into the magic side venari lord regent senari kathalar senari enlightener No, no lore seeker to try to pull the little little cheeky setup and uh And blizzard Oh, yeah The last the last vestige of the blizzard wizard not here And then we got uh 20 wardens 20 sentinels blade lords blade lords and then 20 more sentinels And then five and five dawn riders Twin stones grave side ruin of petrification So yeah pretty pretty standard lrl magic Uh Stuff going on here exactly what I would expect to see so Well, uh vents. I would say I mean, yeah, I agree it had been standard More of late. We've been saying the melee builds and not the sentinels So it would be interesting to yeah I agree. I also am surprised to see two by five dawn riders to be frank. That's that is an unusual choice as well But yeah Yeah, yeah, we'll see how this goes Little surprised to see the two by 20 sentinels. I think a lot of lumineff players feel like they're Not quite there Maybe maybe they are and it's anchor bias But Yeah, it's it's a little different. I think right now at this time to see that many sentinels So we'll see we'll see David erger with the highlander gets list. He's running glogs mega bob Uh, we've got shrug the trogoth king showing up. There you go. And then dank old trog boss scrag rot Web spinner shaman and then and then trolls and some shooters And of course our friends at the gava palooza to round everything out Look at that behemoth and a big spider. Oh, and the big skitter strand of ragnarok. Yeah, I can't forget about that guy Just this the the regular spider Nobody on top. No friends. Just the ambush spider Okay Uh, I'm all about this list. I don't know who david is but david I love your list. This is fantastic I like this person. Whoever this guy is He's a good guy. He played against me. Uh, just a local one day and proceeded to kill all his casters by himself without me having to do anything. So it was pretty nice Our archie on stood in front of him and just watched Nice. Oh wait Oh wait, sorry travis. I wasn't paying attention to you because I often try not to what did you just say? Was that what our rgt one of ours? Yeah, yeah, okay. I think I much to play david as well Yeah, yeah, I think I played him as well. Awesome guy. Fantastic david if you're listening Love it perfection. This is the best of the star everybody else gets highlander players This is perfection because he's got a big spider. Yeah, I mean the skitter strand of ragnarok really takes it to the moon Like that's that's that's fantastic Uh, david west ful With a highlander silvaneth list This is this is my my hero because again as I mentioned back in the beginning the lady of vines showing up in here Uh, love to see it. And then we've got some gossip at archers. We've got skates wild hunt Tree revs. We've got the greatsword kernoth. What's not to love about this list? I love everything about it It's wonderful. Yeah This is another one draw highlander list where you were wrong Because they were able to fit it all in because of the uh, because the tree lord behemoth take that Got them Uh, so that's fun Uh, Derek Hildebrandt With a little ossearch petrofex elite list When again catechrose bone japer this time the soul reaper also showing up Six mortis guard death writers 10 more tech two by three stalkers instead of our classic Sort of six stalkers and then the nightmare predator Yep Again seems cool Derek wins the uh road to hell is paved with good intentions uh prize for his bcp list submission full of text Great work, Derek on making it impossible to read for a to but maybe amazing for your opponents Oh, like this extra neck wound on stalkers and mortis and melee. Yeah. Yeah, this is the this is the highly cleaned up version Yes Very nice to hand your opponent a nightmare for the to yes, absolutely Then we got james matthews with oven gory sbg Not just oven gory, but showing up with negosh Leading a vangorian lord 20 skeletons two terror geists and three fel bats Two drops 1990 points James i look forward to your one and four record This is the best list i've seen all day. It's amazing Uh, no i'm being a bit funny like this is a rough go the unmounted terror guys It's just like not good at all But god bless this man for running oven gory the the best sub faction He's using the old negash model too. Yeah, we'll find you guys out the big uh tower massive tower I don't even know what he's doing with this list other than I don't really know what all the combos are that he's got rockin. I mean, I understand what the vangorian lord is doing I think it's been undervalued. It's it's a great piece But yeah, vince do you have any clue of what he might be doing here with terror geists and oven gory and negash and Are you familiar with the term stunting? Yeah, are you familiar with the term stunting tyler? A little bit heard this phrase. That's what he's doing. Okay There's no great strat here. Like this is just you've got negosh negosh is a very powerful piece, right? Obviously And you can do a lot of work on his own, especially in the current season, right? The vangorian lord is a very powerful piece uh And Beyond that, you know, like yeah, he's he's drugged down by 500 points of underwhelming terror geists, but hey Roll sixes. That's all you gotta do Yeah, good to go Yep I I would watch every game that james played and cheer for james all the way this is this Lock it in pick of the week. Okay Uh, would you go high? Uh, not let's not give away what we decided trev. Would you go highlight or hard mode or not? with us vince Would I? Yes, thousand percent. Yes Yes Like Yeah, man, you have one good unit in this list Okay, like I don't know what else you're I don't know what else you're judging off of right Like I don't I mean no offense to james if he watches this like I really don't but like Basically, every unit in this list is at best average Ballering at one unit All right. Well, I guess because of that reaction we could probably say yeah, this was one of the ones that we picked I wasn't yeah I was a little worried because I don't I didn't go through and detail what he might be james is very clever He's a good player But just yeah looking at it. I'm sure the Hole will be great in some of the parts or strike that vice versa if I just screwed that up And but yeah, it I had we both had that reaction traven I so Card to say james is going to surprise people be ready man. I hope so. I want that to happen Take take him to the cleaners james Like this if this is not like sort of the spirit of hard mode then yeah, I I'm not sure what would be jason borough with his slaves list here Uh lord on carton rack sorcerer lord 10 knights 10 warriors 10 splintered fang 10 chosen And a crown spine a crown spine Okay, that that I was not expecting That was that was a twist At the end I I I've I've seen this sort of build out with crown spine in in s2d This is a very popular thing last sort of a couple seasons back and so on I just I'll be honest with you. I'm not a fan. I'm just not a fan. I just don't think it gets there I really don't Because I think this this I I think you it's too easy to End up corralling The crown spine in some way if you've got the right piece to counter them and then you're down to like one hammer Maybe two If you can like if you're if you're of such a list you can catch the knights flatfooted And you can handle just tanking out the crown spine until you kill it Then you have to rely on the chosen Yeah, he knows what he's doing That's the challenge. Yeah Although he definitely really knows what he's doing uh with with this list He like said he's a fly monkey running. I think the exact same list sure something very similar So yeah, be curious to see what goes but I am shocked by the number of endless spells. I am seeing here by the buy shocked The number of and and like crown spines the number of times people are actually going to get to use Though that battle tactic magical mayhem or whatever that we never actually get to use is incredible in this tournament There's a full eight battle tactics on offer actually most most games going on at this tournament, which is crazy So many places end the spell. I'm like yay bonus uh bonus battle tactic Excellent. We've got we've got 42 endless spells That's so wild Like that is crazy in a season where I just haven't seen Endless spells be that much of a presence to see that percentage of it is is is nuts. That's crazy seven pendulums Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was in your stats. I should have included that stat as well. Jeff nowman, uh Wait, is this is this didn't we have another nomin? Is this related? This is brother. Yeah, okay. All right. Tyler. What do you think about this nergal list? Yeah, drown men, bless desecration I think that's the one you got to control a you pick a terrain feature and holy with your opponents territory You got to control at the end of the game for your grand strategy blowout broadspawn lord of afflictions op stench blithorn helm very standard or god steam and spew bellicor three by two Bugs the blightlords are back Maybe they never left pendulum once again three drops because of the three big beasties 97 wounds about the lowest moon count you're going to see with the nergal list Jeff is an exceptional player. He's been playing nergal forever He just went 3-0 with this Yeah, I win a doubt I'll bet on Jeff and his ability to title the list like this one of the cleanest warmer players ever played against great guy Uh, I need to say something bad about him. I said a lot of nice things there Uh, you know, it's it's not my cup of tea. Sure. Obviously with uh with all those bugs But hard to go wrong with the three big beasties there and the op stench. So yeah, it's kind of a throwback man Yep, I I it feels like a 3-2 trying to get a 4-1. I think that 4-1 is going to be tough I don't bellicor on his world tour. You got to respect it. Uh, this guy's He's hunting for that negash your archion matchup so he can laugh. That'll be very funny for him Uh, yeah, that's a that's a great turn Uh, and he wants to win that priority and give it away and it'll be a great day. All right Uh, Jeff viz gaitis Oh with a little sure why not? Uh with a little highlander corn Uh, and yet again, we've got our unfettered fury. We got scar brand showing up, of course The claws of karnak back in the mix six Six count them mighty skull crushers Yeah, whoa In some very good In some very good. Yeah, it's a lot of uh, a lot of heavily armored Uh, there's a lot a lot a lot of mounted iron power there But still a low wound count This is not somebody who wants to run into like a mortal wound spammy type of thing That's that's not great And skull crushers do not have a great day like not a spellcasting mortal woundy thing But like somebody who can just like shoot spam mortal wounds or attack spam mortal wounds That's a bad day for this list so Oddly enough no cruel boys. I was expecting at least one cruel boys but yeah Traven he thoughts on this uh the flayed gosh, what is the flayed doing? I'm trying to remember I don't remember the flayed what that does What is that doing? Traven he thoughts on this list while I look up what the flayed is doing I like it. I like it. He's got enough bronze flesh to keep everybody Nice and safe since he doesn't have his mystic shield He's got he's got heal on the unfredder fury, which I don't see much on a corn prayer. Usually they just want to die so yeah The flayed friendly bloodbound units have a war to fight plus if they have been picked to and I just had an ad pop up Thank you. Wahapedia. I'm trying to read the legal rules And you're putting up on mortals after they fight After they fight. All right, excellent uh Nice. Yes. This is one of the the weird knob Yes, weird weird knobs weird boys. Yeah in the chat right now And he actually said of all the people to nail the pronunciation of my last name So fairly I was very I was very close weird knobs. There it is. Yes Yeah, cool list very cool list very cool list Uh jesse brant stormcast highlander. We got the lord celestin on star drake Here it is winning in spirit the lord and paratot the lord relic der Three annihilators with grandhammers five seckeys five indicators three annihilators of shields six griffes Six vanguard raptors with long strike crossbows and three praetors Uh warlord battalion with a call for aid Okay, two wounds and ten drops. Yeah, all in excelsior Nice. Celcier. Yes. He's playing with that star drake for years This guy has the belt right now for star drake players So took it over from swinney and whomever else And uh, this guy also has a bone to pick with vance venturella Who has apparently been Crapping on the star drake. I don't know. That's that's what the word on the street is from jesse I heard an earful from him at the last tournament Monkey So I think he's just doing this to tell you you're an idiot Well, it is a battle tactic. I suppose so it is a battle tactic The build out here is quite sweet So he is a lot of the young star. He's going to be minus one a hit against the star drake The master of the celestial menagerie. He is going to be minus one of wounds. Yep Strike skill armor. He's going to be re-rolling saves against anything with a multi damage profile and Then this is his shield deals motor wins back the motor wins back He is going to be trying to activate after your opponent has activated first in order to munch on a model and break coherency So watch out for that as always And yeah, no, I I've never seen the prey doors with uh, someone's not star drake. That's really cool Uh, good list. He's got the griff hounds for the anti deep strike ambush tech They're they're excellent chief chaff. Yeah good list No, it's very fun. I like the combination of some annihilators and and grand hammers I like the imperitent to guide them in Yeah, I mean I will continue to crap on the star drake because in general it is a bad unit So that's fine. It might do well on this list like some some units can excel It's not listen with certain players like it's not like things are just you know things work in combination with other stuff But in general, yes, it's a bad unit and it's full. It's a crappy. It's a crappy unit Take that. Let's go But that being said that being said like I fully that's a very very Tough enough to crack under most circumstances like the reality is into the current meta It's actually quite a smart choice the neg one to hit neg one to wound Uh, with a combination of free scale armor. There's quite a lot of multi damage that you're already into So it's going to be actually be doing a lot of work Uh, and the mortar wound back is no joke So like I think within the scope of this list where it can be used as this very interesting hammer There's not a lot of huge counters. I think they'll that uh, the jessio run into there are some Obviously, right like you're started there. There are nightmare situations, but there's not there's not many Yeah, yep Okay, cool Uh Joe, uh, karn right a storm cast An astral templars In cantor and peritant lord orcane one griff charger vanquishers vanguard hunters vanguard hunters ether wings Anilas the grandhammers nilas the grandhammers questor soul sworn Raptors with long strike crossbows three of them another three of them with long strike crossbows The everblaze comet thunderbolt volley. We're just wild. So this is wild Mortal wounds for everybody. Yeah, it just keeps going Like the most units i've ever seen in a storm cast list It's incredible It's a good list I love the list like this. Yeah It's he's got an easy uh surround and destroy or was it is it uh, surrounded destroy. Yep With the vanguard hunters and soul sworn It's gonna be good. Uh, very good at the new battle tactic One per quarter more than six away from the enemy. It's definitely gonna be to get that every game as well So it's kind of two auto battle tactics in most games for him. Well, honestly, he's got a pretty great draw on Uh, like depending what's going on or the situation if somebody's not careful He'll easily pick up a magical mayhem too Because he has enough ranged power or ranged power to get close enough that if somebody has a lot in the spell It's floating around a lot of incarnate floating around or you know some incarnates floating around. It's pretty easy to just pick that Wizard off if they're not very careful with how they protect them, right if they don't if that was if like if if he can Take his you know, like shoot out a unit that's bodyguarding if somebody leaves too thin of a bodyguard screen nearby First unit shoots him out other units then pick him up Right like that kind of combo play becomes very possible 100% yeah Yeah, it's got some old school morgan combo annihilators grand hammers Anilana grande play here with the lock strikes and the the grand hammers sure amazing list I'm so excited for the stormcast players this tournament because we have so many good lists events I've complained on the show about maybe a lot of stormcast lists not quite Adding up this year for what it's worth of but you know, it could be a bad take by me I just a lot of weird stormcast lists. I thought rocking around earlier in the season Less of late with the point drops, but I think all of these lists are fascinating really solid really interesting. Yeah, I agree He's got the one last thing arcana one griff charger for the spell casting savants grand strategy play That's one of the best grand strategy plays. Yeah, like if that's the easiest That's the the most viable grand strategy for stormcast right now is the arcana one griff charger Spellcasting savant and it gets very good. So yeah yep Joe Joe With a little highlander gets mango squig loon boss swig wash with nasa squig cave shaman loon boss bounders stab is big old squig herd Gobba pelusa mango squigs without the guy on top And lots of lots of drops very fun Yep Good old mausage orc um amazing player from oklahoma Joe always does well And yeah Very very capable of doing incredibly well with this list. Yeah, sure But we're seeing some things that yeah, maybe he wouldn't have done without the highlander Here like uh, so yeah, things pretty good Uh, Joel with the night haunt in emerald host guardian of souls cruel gas cruciator spirit torment lady Oli and a linder crazy Uh, kurdos valentine the craven king Reapers spirit host chain rasps x-rays spirit host chain rasps banshees and the mortalis termonexus All in two drops double bat redge 102 wounds always the biggest problem with night haunt is they don't regenerate everything and there are two wounds So this was another hard mode eligible for us. Yep, that completely checks out for me a thousand percent I would I would back that play. Yes. I mean just taking a linder alone almost brings you into that space Yeah, so yep. Yep All right What else we got? Let's see Uh, john bane wassaki Wassaki wassaki They ride the first time All right, cool S2d Cargadrack sork lord chaos lord chosen knights big old block of warriors corvus cabal in the war shrine and then the realm scourge rupture All in a one drop list and host of the ever-chosen so Good kind of around the world all the standard, you know, traditional chaos units. This is just like Traditional chaos on display right everything here Yeah, man. I love this list. Actually. I think this is such a Tight package kind of efficient power player power pair. Maybe there's a trio in here type list right card plus the knights Uh, sork lord. What does he got? He's got yeah sork lord plus Where's his sling these chaos lord plus the chosen that put us looking forward Yeah Chaos lord on foot with the conquerors crown turning off contesting on one one two one models So he's got that power pair right the chosen the castle But then something we don't see a lot is the 20 warriors and the shrine Power pair with with the curse going on So I love that hoping that does well for him. But yeah, it's just incredibly Tight with with the pairings that he has with this list And master the dark ritual. Is that the one where they have to do all four battle tactics from slaves? Um, I think so. Let me while we're going like we can come back to it. Yeah All right, let's keep moving. John Thomas was scathing Grand street one of our locals. Yep. Very nice He's the one that did all the battle tactics last year. Ah, yes. Okay. Very good We got a war bringer with devious adversary there at rust cursed armor That was the thing I was trying to think of earlier that the name wouldn't summon to my head You have the plague priest on furnace great Obviously still he's gotten cheaper and it still has the big giant bubble of battle shock community Gracie or plague priest plague priest engineer 20 clan rats 20 plague monks 20 plague monks double war lightning cannon and then way too many endless spells Uh, I've just just way too many Those could just be more rats and that would be a better investment by my estimation um But hey, you do you uh, I mean certainly Uh, a very interesting list quite hero heavy by the standards of unscathed Um, so it is it is very different. This is as you said like you you said the same sort of thing earlier This is just not my particular speed on a scaven list Um, doesn't have like the ambush doesn't have the mobility doesn't that I want does have the you know You got the grace here with skitterly, which is great. Like I'm I'm here for that um But I I like a lot of individual small pieces that I can just kind of Flood all over the board with you know have a lot of different shooting Have a cut like never knowing where the next hits coming from is kind of the way I I like to play scaven. This is a much more straightforward Sort of list and how it's going to play an experience where that that furnace can very easily anchor a line The warbreaker can operate alone The monks can get buffed and by the priests and And the furnace and just kind of move forward as as like a wave, right? So yeah, yeah Where are you at? Um, okay, go trap with all the spells he can do the pretty large aerial of denial on the board though Sure Yep That's where you at on hard mode eligibility for this one Uh It's a canon. I mean like almost all scaven is almost automatically hard mode Um, just because there's such a trash army right now frankly Uh, as the win rate would dictate. Yeah, I mean, I would certainly think it's in the discussion for that Yeah, it's it's you know, there's there's nothing here. That's like, yeah, that's my pick It's I mean it took vermin tide Boy, that's a choice. It took double warp lightning cannon. I mean those are great, but as we know that's like Okay, playing with fire. They are what they are. You know what I mean? Like Overcharge goes boom Yeah, I mean, it's it's very much I think in my mind a An unusual and potentially hard mode experience because it doesn't have all of those toolbox tricks that scaven's going to try to utilize to win Yeah, we were on the bubble with this one. So okay. Yeah, we we have uh, we're running out of time make a call on this one, but Okay, just right there. We still got four more hours. What are you talking about? Uh, hose with a seraphon list Uh, croak bearer star master trogladon star seer star priest 20 skinks The raptadon chargers the source guard and then a lot of endless spells. There are so many endless spells I am just I've got continue to be blown away. Yeah. Thanks. It's so tech. Okay This is what made tyler cry at flying monkey con. Yep, great guy obnoxious list sounds about right Uh Keegan graves with skaven another skaven list Gracier gracier lord screech plague priest vermin lord warbringer plague priest clan rats clan rats 10 censor bearers 10 censor bearers a warp grinder And that's the hell pit of domination uh Way too much it like from my money way too much investment into uh vermin lords I mean vermin lords are by my estimation Basically trash Um right now and so that's a problem like they are way too expensive for what you get out of them They just basically never make up their points a single warbringer who's kitted out with like everything stands a chance of doing that And it's an interesting solo operator. I think the second one is just like huge diminishing Uh marginal utility But that being said there's obviously a lot of really great tech in here skitterly blizzard death frenzy Horror for us is all at your command. Um the censor bearer packs are incredibly dangerous but You know, I mean and then I I love a cheeky warp grinder people sleep on the warp grinder. It's great Yeah, and I think what he's doing if I understand the combination is he has I think what you get one unit that can go with warp grinder So he's putting one of those pcbs with warp grinder off the board And then whatever the rule is called that allows you to use a charger you fish for a nine plus charge roll And then you apply that to the warp grinder coming in with the 10 pcb Uh, I don't know if that checks out, but that was my understanding doesn't work exactly like that I couldn't you okay. You can't you can't have the warp grinder off template censor bears off you can make just yeah Yeah, you can it's just so yeah, it's the master clan trade So if you have three master clan heroes, which is gracer gracer gracer and lord screech, that's just three master clan heroes, okay So what happens is when you make your first run roll it can become everybody's run roll when you make your first Charge roll it can become everybody's charge roll. So like fish is the wrong word, right? Like yes, I'll try to charge with something else Hoping it's a nine if he doesn't he'll re-roll it To try to get a nine and then yes, I could choose to then everybody charges nine The trick is it's no longer a modified number, which is what it used to be Where you could like use the The mold or masters thing and stuff like that. So so yeah, I mean you can fish and and spit it out. Sure. It's just You're you're banking on you're still banking or getting a nine plus with somebody You're just effectively getting to roll their charge three times Instead of two If that makes sense, yeah, right because I get two rolls with this other unit and if I don't get the nine I still get a roll with them Unit that actually needs to charge nine Keegan did go five oh with this last weekend at the michigan gt. Nice. Yeah He he's an amazing player. Yeah, it's like for one and he was playing for maybe five Oh, he was up there like table two last year at vault wars. Just fantastic player So and he's been playing. Yeah Some of these pieces for a while Nice. I mean skaven absolutely as per usual is what we said It's what I stand behind and what you said earlier. It's highly it's highly Related to it gets a high skill floor or high skills the army 100 I don't I mean like I I just don't love the the double vermin lord thing It's not my style, but if he's if he's pulling down the w's with it, then I I support it I mean I can see the world. It's just it's a hard list for me to To to picture how I my path to victory if I was piloting it Sure Ken best with s2d That's player in springfield Okay Just because his last name. Yeah, sure. Yeah, he is he's the best Um shout out to like what I want to shout out here exalted hero of chaos. Hell yeah Well done not seen enough of those guys on the table. Come on. Let's get into it. Yeah Uh That was the piece he has been debating whether he should have left him on the bench And the guy's not been making a great case for himself Ken is running the the best Demon or we got to stop this. I'm not supposed to be doing puns much less on this show Travis is here. This is all going downhill. Uh slaves darting his demon prince Okay, the much maligned demon prince Ken is trying to make some combo combos work here, right? He's got the talons. Why the hell does he have the talons? Well, he's trying to get whore frost on this thing. He's got the hillfire sword He's got flaming weapon trying to get plus one damage And he's trying trying trying this keyword Sometimes it works often the doesn't I love that he is giving it a go because this thing can be scary If abcdefg happens Mark the extra attack Mark. Yep extra attack Uh You can go run in charge long as threat range Get on your ken. Uh, yes, he's been having a tough go a bit of late Travis didn't help matters This is what we call throwing good money after bad if you've heard of that phrase That's what kidding out this demon prince in this way as I've run the same exact kit By the way, this is like one of my favorite buildouts for demon princes because I've bound to determine to make the stupid things work And so I like I'm very familiar with this kit and Uh-huh Yep Sometimes it works. That's yep Yep Uh, yes Kevin carrot with storm cast Storm cast internals hammers night draconis night draconis four storm drake two storm drake two storm drake Wrapped up in a battle reg 94 wounds draconic fury, baby yes Dragon dot exe let's go Kevin plays aos for the dragons. That's that's what he does He's that's that's all the man needs. He's happy Uh, kit rash With apologies to everybody else competing for best painted Oh The man the myth and legend is showing up. He's showing up. He's showing up. Okay. So this is your best painted winner Um Sorry everybody Like I mean, it's not me being a jerk to anybody else who has an amazingly beautiful army But I've judged most armies in the country who for people who go to major tournaments, right? I think I like I I judge Two out of the three largest aos tournaments in the in the country, right? Yeah And we just don't afford it And kit has The best-looking sole blight grave lord army and one of the top three armies in the country Like country as far as look like that is a very easy easy easy thing to say. I've seen a lot of armies. This is Truly a masterclass in painting an army. It is incredible Are you willing to say real quickly the other two? I think I know one of the other two, but Are you or you don't want to go there? No, that's fine. I can talk about the other two. Yeah, sure. I'll leave myself out of it because I'm not Kind of that would be a real jerk move um But the other two would be uh martin orlando and uh, our scolars There we go like checks out. Yep So, okay, but yeah kits army is like a Heartbreaking work of staggering genius. It's gorgeous. Um At any rate landed jennings with some osse arc archon bone shaper soul mason No catechrose immediately. I like landed immediately Landon, I like you I'm i'm in for you one of our our newer players He's uh still kicks most people's butts with obr. So it's very likeable. Yeah Man, isn't there is there anything worse than a really nice likeable obr player? The worst the worst Uh Okay, well good. I hope landed does well with this a lot of a mortis guard I like to see that like nine and mortis guard is a wild number of those things. So You know nine guard 15 death writers. It's uh It's an interesting list to say the least Uh, uh laron heck. Yeah. All right laron with a little highlander corn Uh ritualist bloodscrater scar brand unfettered fury bloodthirster scar blood wrath. Hell. Yeah Uh slaughter priest skull reapers. Yeah, where are those guys been? I've other these other corn players sleeping on the skull reapers. I stand I stand skull reapers bloodwars bloodrevers and the good old claws of caranac very nice very nice laron Yeah, we see a lot of corn list with claws and fleshhounds or claws pig two claws fleshhounds And uh untamed beast Everyone smiles and bloodrevers for the trying to destroy round one battle tactic That's often their go-to round one is is that battle tactic? Yep Yeah, great list. He's going for it weird knobs called scar blood wrath scar off brand and That is absolutely Top level punning my dog. That is really good Uh, I am here for this. All right Linus burkey With s2d the lord on kark castle lord sork lord ten knights ten chosen 20 warriors three veranguard And the pendulum so again pretty all in host pretty pretty again lock standard S2d list It's good. It does what it does. I think honestly I I'll be honest. I just don't think this list has any gas Hmm I think these lists is a pretty standard explanation like version of the list Yeah, and I just don't think it has the gas to go the distance It's trying to run over you And yeah, sometimes it gets there. Sometimes it doesn't So and obviously warriors can can stand maybe in the middle on an objective quite well Uh, yeah, I played it last night it's Yeah, it's it's I hope he does well. It's gonna it's it's tough list to do well with because it is pretty straight forward But noa based on what you said in the chat there. I would I would say check out new cities Like new cities is probably if you like ig if you like works if you like tau new cities will be a pretty Decent approximation of that feeling. It's not doesn't have any death guard feel You want more just straight nergal if you I mean death guard and nergal are pretty direct translations from the two games In each other. So that's my answer noa all right marcus miller obr Highlander list in null myriad Archon leech cavalos bone shaper soul reaper 30 guard five death riders two archi three stalkers and The harvester All right, that is it down. This is a nice different take seeing the 30 guard again. Yeah No catacross. Yeah travis. What do you think about this one? I like this one. I like this one Yeah, I think it'll do it'll do well. Um, he's got four frost that could be very gross on those 30 guard. Yeah. Yeah Let's see he doesn't Is is artisan's key the auto cast one first spells an auto cast artisan's key That might be the minus one hit wound against shooting bubble Oh, yeah No, I think that's the that's the aura of sterility. I'm pretty sure Okay um artisan's key maybe that's the extra roll for bringing models back Uh, that's built in we're we're struggling here artisan's key relics Uh bones artisan key bones shaper for the bear on a three plus you have to pick. Yeah, it gives you the extra roll Two units. Gotcha So yeah, we'll be bringing them all back Very nice Yeah, doesn't have any bodyguard though. Yeah, no bodyguard. Mm-hmm. Archon's just got to live on by his wits That's fine. He'll be okay. Uh, all right. Let's keep moving. Hey Matthew Swinney Storm cast highlander lord imperitent lord relic dirt night relic dirt night in cantor night in cantor night Relictor night Relictor you love to see it. I love to see the night relictor. He's like the little he's he's there learning from his big brother Uh, that's fine Uh, as usual Swinney never over over invests in heroes. This guy is she's minimal hero situation Five libs ten vanquishers ten vindicators six annihilators of grandhammers the quest or soul sworn The dracothean guard tempesters you love to see it and then the dais arcanum and the pendulum I'll let five drops with unleash thy hatred is the holy command. Swinney's always got an angle. I love it Yep, the man. Yeah, man is a lift list craftsman Yep One of the best from cast list I've seen this year And it's special vindicated rich. We have almost never we never see yep. I like this list a lot Me too Yeah, yeah Uh, yeah, he's staying here this weekend. That's he's crashing So we're gonna get a lot of I will It's got the dais which is uh, even a nice play Uh, tremendous amount going on this list multiple units that can leverage the special vindicators. Obviously, I think it's limited to one per Per combat phase even though it's yeah, which is kind of silly and shows you how far we've gotten away from where they started With this season with this edition But yeah, uh four great units to leverage it. Uh, just incredible picks all around Uh, 130 wounds a solid wound count Um, yeah excited to see how he how he does absolutely Uh match chance storm cast highlander again lord arcanum on grift charger your favorite the knight vexelor my favorite The dracothean guard desolators wild Liberators vindicators vanguard hunters raptors long strikes two storm drake guard annihilators with meteoric grandhammers And uh all wrapped up in a battle wretch and a redemption brotherhood Uh, and then call for aid Uh, yeah very fun unusual take the desolators is shocking to me That I don't know if I've seen maybe ever but okay It's a lot of attack Yeah, yeah, yeah Absolutely drive. What do you think about what do you think about this one? I like it. Uh, matt matt's a pretty good player He's the uh to for bug eater Um, I he ran something pretty similar to this flying monkey and I think he did pretty good at it Nice, yeah Michael moorley our ogre player Husqard on stonehorn frost lord on stonehorn blood pelt hunter stonehorn beast riders stonehorn beast riders stonehorn beast riders Wrapped up in a bat ridge Uh, the lowest wounds in the tournament 79. Yeah Uh monster trucks. Hey, they do what they do they truck around So it wounds don't matter if everybody dies on the charge. So, you know, you know Yep, yeah, yeah still solid metal cruncher Uh, yeah, particularly if you're really good at rolling five ups, which he was the other night Sure Man obviously the main frost on stonehorn is a real problem. Basically this list is the it was my loss at Nashgon with This is my like they landed their charges a regular stonehorn beast rider took a Took a gate breaker mega gargant from full to dead in one round Uh, that does not seem likely but okay. Hey, this turns out it turns out it's a dice game Uh, so, you know That happens Uh, niggas true with uh, some Coradron overlords and the Grundstock expeditionary force So chemist chemist navigator Thunders thunders thunders Ah 35 thunders And then three gun haulers to shift them all around the board Anytime they feel any do you are you sad that you're 15 10 and 10 Thunders can only move a few inches at a time Yeah, are you sick of existing ko technology where you could put five guys five piddly idiots into a gun hauler? Welcome to the new world of advanced Grundstock expeditionary force technology where we can rocket These 35 morons around the board at lightning speed and getting them to tune and get them shooting twice Wonderful wonderful But are they actually in it or are they just hanging off the side with grab? They're all just hanging off the side Wide around yeah, yeah Uh, it's just just just hold on for dear life. Yep. Absolutely So, uh, yeah, nick might want to bring his best sportsman Award from the i think kansas city up or he attended the u.s. Open where he won best sports Playing thunder spam like the ko this prior to the now the nicest man alive in the world He's he's an amazing guy That's what i've just learned If if there's anybody that i would trust playing this kind of list it's it's nick to still get people a good game nice Uh, nicolas wilson with sons love to see it breaker tribe. Okay. That's all right I'm okay with it. It's not my fave, but it's okay uh The Why is his one gate breaker cheaper? That's weird. Is that just mistyped? Oh, and maybe just I hope it's mistyped Well, I mean it wouldn't matter like The points fit It's just like i'm not sure what's going on there. It's probably mistyped. It's probably just Well, it's premium gate breakers. Yeah There you go. Yeah, because I'm gonna say like gate breakers are 500 this list is legal I'm not this is not the issue. I was just like what why I didn't know if either either gate breaker Was mistyped or the points are mistyped That's that makes yeah, that that that may have been that may have been me all Uh, I'm pretty sure it is. I'll double check after the show. Sure. Sure. But either way Sure, it's exactly what I would expect out of this new build. You can do this now You can you know, you can trip gate breakers with the with the The braggits bottle snatches. So it's a it's a very popular bill to this list gate breakers very dangerous Like it it actually has battle tactic play because you can easily get your Your master of magic and your surrounding destroy out of the out of the Out of the goblins, so they're good for the two battle tactics. You'd otherwise drop as suns So, you know all very standard stuff Cool. Yeah Nick Ravarty With beasts Highlander Beast chaos in quake fray Bellicor again his world tour continues now. He's over here in beast of chaos. This guy's everywhere Uh, this is gonna there is going to be some spider-man situations Going on at the tournament, uh for sure At any rate bellicor great brave shaman the beast the zangor shaman tenongor a gorgon a cygor These are battle I knew in some reading right now. Love it. And then six fiend bloods Uh slangor fiend bloods Incredible, uh six enlightened six bull gores Okay, okay cool Is this a heart mode candidate? It Yeah, I'll just say that it was a candidate in our estimation Uh, I would agree with that read Even though it has bellicor. He is making I think quite a few choices that are off meta relative to what we've been saying with The cygor the slangor fiend bloods the enlightened. Yes. Sure. I mean obviously bull gores are great Right, but they're they're bull gores without a he doesn't have the um the doom bull To allow for the nonsense, right? So it's just like it's just like I guess I guess six bull gores are still good. I mean they are they're okay, but like boy. Oh boy. That's a That is that is a pull right there. Okay. Yeah, that that feels hard mode to me um Pull right with eyed neth killing king low tan sell us a prime over visiting here. This guy gets around too Uh, and then we've got some shivers It's it's some shivers shiver shark spam Uh, this is the list we knew was coming after that last battle scroll, right? Yeah, so what do you Travis what's your read on shark on on shiver shark spam? Uh, I thought it against cities. Uh It it chews you it eats you. Um, but it doesn't like the city's Counter fire. I learned that nice and easy. Um, but yeah It'll it'll chew everything that uh, it wants to chew up I that sounds absolutely correct to me. Okay, cool. Look, I'm interested to see how this one performs because again 84 wounds Yeah I think this might actually be the lowest wounds in the tournament by the way Because I don't think the other one takes the boulder head wounds into into estimation Like I didn't yeah, he's he's second Yeah So if like if you figure boulder head actually has the extra what two wounds on all of their monsters And they would technically be 89 or something like that. Yeah, that sounds right off the top of my head So this might actually be the lowest wounds in the tournament. I think that's ultimately the challenge like them sharks Yeah, they can chew up but man is that not a lot of wounds Yeah, yeah, we we had paul on the show. I think last year events. He's yeah, yeah Always played aideneth man. He's played him maybe almost more than anybody certainly anybody that I know Uh awesome player with with aideneth. So, you know, it'd be curious to see Preston with soul blight lady. I love this list by the way. I love this list I am here for this list Lady anika if you vulgar kato ashes as as as a share I can't spell. I can't pronounce any of these names Belladonna Chattacar and a regular vampire lord and then dire wolves dire wolves and 20 zombies and then 10 grave card 20 grave card I love it took like the entire cast of characters, right? Just like all of them Let's go. Let's freaking go now. This is a soul blight list. I can respect Love this list way to go Preston. This is fantastic. Just like like he's playing cursed city the army Yeah Yeah And you know, a lot of these unique characters are pretty nice pieces Chattacar's all the belladonna kato solid lady anika or how we say her name. She's solid She just she's I think maybe been undervalued or just so many other war schools are are really good in that battle Some that you don't see a lot, but yeah, she's very valued because there's just like or just take zombies, right? That's been Right, right. Yeah. Yeah But yeah, really cool list. Yep Uh rice Novak wilson with some gits Loon boss on giant cave squig lune boss on mangler scrag rot lune boss 20 shoes is 20 shoes is bounders bounders Hoppas Little minimum size squig herd gaba falooza with the moon and the mushroom all in the mawza jork 142 wounds four drops rice is part of the pair with landon and rice Are our newest player as well newest player. Yep. So she's Playing her first event. I think both landon and her are playing at their first award event. So Yeah, uh Hope she has a great time It's really cool list. Uh, I definitely think it's a hard mode, right? She's got a lot of msu units here Rocking around not the big units But yeah, some cool pieces here Definitely hard mode a lot of min size units a lot of interesting But but but this will this will be a lot of fun to play Absolutely And I love seeing the moon in the mighty mushroom like i'm here for that. That's that's those are actually on the spells I'm happy to see Uh ryan cavin Yep, there's highlander corn list, uh bloodthirster bloodthirster and scar brand the trip The trip thirsties with slaughter priests the ritualist and the bloodmaster bloodmaster is an unusual choice And then letters letters and flesh hounds and then a unit of skull crushers with some skulls to back it up um, yeah Cool Good. Yeah, all alone. What do you say trip bloodthirsters? It is what is that's that's where you're doing all the work. So Yep, yep Experience player great player. We had a we had a blast last game at fly monkey Uh Yeah, love ryan awesome play against Gives a very fun highlander list. I'll say like this seems like a lot of fun to buy it Uh smithy smithy smith with another corn highlander ritualist unfettered fury slaughter priests a crater scar brand bloodmaster Uh, and then 10 skull reapers 10 blood warriors 10 blood reavers and then the claws of karnak and the untamed beasts Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right. First time we've seen those guys showing up Uh, yeah like this again, you know, as I mentioned before here for the skull reapers Love it. So it's great Um, good. Yeah, he's got the the extra prayers. So you know double war lord. It's got two prayers So more options and I think he went extra artifact. Yeah, two artifacts as well. Halo blood argath usual Uh, yeah, quite a quite a good toolbox those skull reapers. Yeah, they can do some work Absolutely Uh, Steve Tossic Okay, one of the two with king broad stomp our new army of renown king broad crack and eater gate breaker gate breaker 2000 on the nose Do it to it Uh This is this is great. This is great. Uh, I wouldn't have taken the arcane tome. I would have said let's go hard mode Let's go all the way hard mode. I'm not I'm not we don't need magic Uh But yeah, I'm very interested to see how steve does. I think king broad stomp is really interesting. I think the the You know, the potential here is very high is what I'll say with this one. Um, yeah So yeah, you met steve steven tracy. You guys are met Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. Okay. All right. I figured you guys out. I just I know I did not realize that was steve's last name until you just said steven tracy Then I knew exactly who you're talking about. That's so funny. Like I just Like I I'm just I I'm terrible with names I don't recall that I've ever actually had steve tell me his last name or I've heard his last name But yeah, steve's right. So good. I'll be interested to see how this goes Uh stew liming slanesh, uh pretenders Okay, let's let's get into this here. All right contorted epitome lord of pain bellicor This guy gets around like a record No 55 bliss barb archers 10 bliss barb seekers Uh, thanks. I hate it. Uh, okay Yep, uh, even with the changes still quite a strong list. I mean that's that's what it comes down to It's just an intense amount of shooting You're gonna try to lock somebody up with bellicor. The epitome is gonna do a bunch of work You're gonna command point everywhere for days. You're gonna everybody unleashes All the time just like constantly and forever to charge anything everybody shoots just like that's It's great. It's great. You love to see it Uh, tracy, okay, I would I would have figured it out here when I saw the same last name and put it together Uh, shrug shrug herd shrug the shrugoth king Trog boss mollig. Heck yeah Yeah, six rock guts six rock guts three rock gods three fell waters three fell waters and the moon What a great all troll list. I'll be interested to see how trug performs So I'm really on the fence on him and I got two people running trog. I think Trug sorry And uh, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how trug does. I'll look for some feedback We'll have to catch up and see you have to tell me how trug did overall Yeah, this is uh for my money a friendlier Trog list not that they've been, you know breaking the game But obviously we've seen some some trollists do quite well for a little while Uh, but you know, she doesn't she doesn't have the traditional build out with the day called trog boss the glowy house It's not there. Uh, there's something else that I'm forgetting that you usually see that's taken with the trog boss mollog is never seen And yeah, so I think it's on the on the friendlier side, but yeah It'll be fascinating to see how as you said how trug does with all this. Yeah, absolutely Uh, vince is this is this there? There's son. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Okay. That's family affair Um Gracie or thank well engineer lord screech claw lord 20 clan rest 20 clan rest 20 clan rats trip warp lightning cannon Uh, this better be a hard boat list because my god This is a tough list to win with Like trip worth lightning cannon is just really tough like yeah, it's potential for a decent amount of mortal wounds But it's just it's really hard to win with thank well is just a really Not very good piece right now because He doesn't there's not like unless you get into zombie spam and you can walk him up Like hey, we're four warp fire projectors is super fun against zombies But beyond that it's not doing a lot in the current meta. He lost he without the bringy dingy Bringing him around he lost his like best trick and really his reason for being 430 points He just doesn't justify it anymore He's not a powerful enough caster to to get that off his base spell on his scroll is total hot Chinatown garbage. It's terrible Um Screech is okay. I really like that's it. You know your regular clan rats are all nothing Read three clan right units as literally nothing. They're there to stand there. They don't they cannot kill anything They cannot live through anything. They are there to stand that is it um So like this is a very tough list to pilot a win to to a win it really is But i'll be i'll be interested to see That vortex and gnashing jaws better do a lot of work coming out of both your casters I've got a lot of work Okay, and then I think uh, is this the last one? Oh two more. Okay Yeah, walker snap in suns again with broad stomp broad gate breaker war stomper and then the kraken eater um, I like actually this sort of Kind of everybody in the mix list. Yeah Um, you got kind of the widest range of abilities um So, you know, again, I think like this is easy you at this build the other thing I like about this build is you basically auto get your triumph Hmm. Okay Uh, so, yeah, I mean again, I think broad stomp actually has some real play. I'll be interested to see how these two lists do Um, I think walker tear on the table with sun. So like he's just he's played them forever He knows what he's doing. He is very tall. So he's very tall Intimidating. Yeah, he plays really well to move the mega gargants. Yeah Yeah I mean, I think broad stomp Regardless of teleport dumb shenanigans with the stupid new rule like regardless of that I think broad stomp in most depending on how the scenarios fall Almost automatically gets to it gets a three two That's my read on it Like it's almost impossible for them to for this army in this build with what it is to go less than three two Because it's so easy to sit there and just win on objectives to just stand and hold right um Because you get like the extra five upward on broad so he becomes very hard to remove and he has a huge control piece Yeah So, yeah, and like it's not hard to keep him in his bonus while still having the other mega gargant towing in on another objective potentially Um, depending on how that that works out like it's very easy to split that control like that I mean to say the obvious right vents the battle tactic situation has been helped so much by the by the broad stomp Which was one of the issues so absolutely. Yeah big that's what i'm saying I just really think like I really think broad stomp has just like at setup like game one They're just going three two almost by default, right? Um, obviously that's not true all the time. But yeah, there you go. And then close. Yeah. I'm Yeah, go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say that I mean It is what it is with the rules right now with this, you know, we're allowing it. I'm hoping it's not going to be a disaster Sure, like Uh, then finally yancy. I'm not even taking a shot. Uh, I I Hey, there it is. Uh, corn highlander list bloodthirster of unfettered fury the rich list and the slaughter priest Bloods the crater and scar brand again five flesh ounce 10 skull reapers Love to see it 10 blood warriors and then the karnak and then the untamed beasts. So yeah Looks like, uh, we've seen Yeah, yancy and laran somebody copied somebody's homework or they got some delusion going on from st. Louis Uh, yeah There we go. We touched on all the lists something I swore we wouldn't do and yet we did it all the same because I didn't want to shortcut anybody gentlemen Look forward to seeing what happens with vault wars this weekend. Thank you all very much for the current meta discussion For giving us a preview into vault wars for sharing some fun stats to all the people going to vault wars. Good luck I hope everybody has just five great amazing games of warhammer. That's what you want in the end That's a perfect tournament when you've got five fun games with five fun opponents You are winning at a tournament. So Uh, be interested to see how some of the new stuff does as we continue to build up the season Travis anything final you want to share with everybody? Uh, this is our second gt of the year next year. I'm hosting three gts. So look for those Uh, I gotta get out to one of these. I gotta get out to one of these. I'm sleeping on it That'd be nice. You you know this this friend status that you keep telling me about I'd love to see you man Absolutely. We'll we'll we'll make it happen as long as hopefully it's not the week before I have to be gone for a week for work That's really the problem. Uh, we we had tom. We we'd love the exposure Sure. Sure. Absolutely Uh, that's what he's saying. Tom's coming out and supporting supporting his friend before you are That's that does hurt that does hurt that cuts me deeply Uh, I mean given the fact that it would be literally impossible for me to come this weekend as I am Quite literally traveling to my to a work meeting on sunday. So Uh, but in the future we'll make it happen. Thank you all for watching if you haven't hit like yet Hey Hit like subscribe do all those things if you want to support the show there's ways you can do it You can get cool shorts like me on your shirt my little my little guy here. 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