 Devin slept with a lot of guys gentlemen Devin has a high body count You think I don't know that my own girlfriend has had sex with a lot of men You think that I think I found some special snowflake who does who declined parting through her 20s Even though she has a great body. Give me a break guys You think I don't know that my own friend has had sex with a lot of men I am well aware that Devin's notch count is a lot higher than she will ever admit I am 237 percent certain that I am not the biggest dick ever that that Devin's ever taken and The way I fuck is not the best sex she's ever had. She's had bigger and better than me She hasn't told me this but I know I'm almost positive Devin's had bigger better dicks than mine But if I ever found out what one of these guys look like if I ever found out that one of those guys had a 12-inch cock You better believe I'm gonna be fucking insecure. You kidding me. I Don't have a 12-inch dick Devin's had bigger dicks than her now. I got to see what that dick looks like of course it makes us insecure That's another reason why men don't men of value don't commit to women with high body counts It's because we know the more cocks that have been in you The more huge cocks that have been in you. It's just mathematical if you've been with five guys Okay, all right. We can deal with that if you've been with 555 dude You've probably had at least 10 12 cocks in you that are probably north of 10 inches guaranteed Any man who marries a woman? Any man who marries a woman past the age of 23 years old you're getting leftovers She gave all of her best sex to she gave all of her best sex to the alpha cats. That's what happened I misled my audience about Devin's age, but I did that for privacy purposes. You've been married before Okay, you've been married before I mean, I guess I guess eventually it would have come out Yeah, some petulant child is already dox me. So, you know, yeah, right exactly I uh, you know for the 20 something years before we met, you know as an as an adult I Um, I got married young and I was married for a very long time You know for the 20 something years before we met, you know as an as an adult, you know For the 20 something years before we met, you know as an as an adult, you know for the 20 something years before we met You know as an as an adult, you know for the 20 something years before we met, you know as an as an adult You know for the 20 something years before we met, you know as an as an adult You know for the 20 something years before we met, you know as an as an adult Dude listen man my results speak for themselves Speak for themselves black women are always saying well you get with fat fat ugly white girls. They know damn well That's not the case man black women are always saying well you get with By the way, it's not even about the weight guys Devin weighs about a hundred and forty five pounds probably a little bit more But she's very dense. She also has a lot of muscle and she's five six, so she's taller than most females So she carries her weight very well Obviously those of you on the TSR primetime side will see how well she carries her weight But also listen, she she works out three times a week with a personal trainer and is on HGH That's how she maintains her body. Oh by the way Unfortunately, most chicks in this country are grossly overweight to the tune of six sixty seven percent Guys that is two out of three women in this country that are not Bangable by men of value Dude, no wonder men of value are having a hard time finding women and what makes their obesity really bad is that? Fatties are becoming even more entitled They walk around like they're God's gift to men when it actually they're really God's gift to fast food restaurants Devin's a spoiled brat guys It dude if we sit down at a restaurant and we and our waiter or waitress isn't there within 30 seconds She starts to look around right where our drinks where our appetizers, right? This is to this is too cold This is too hot Devin if you're listening, I love you But you're a complainer and you know I call Devin a food snob all the time all the there's all dude, dude Maybe I'm exaggerating and maybe I'm embellishing here for effect But most of the time there's always something about her food that she has to complain about Devin is a seven She's a seven a lot of people think oh my god Devin's a no Devin's not at nine or ten. She's a seven in The face she's a six and a half. She has a six and a half face. She's not a listen She's not listening. She has above average looks slightly above average looks in the face her face Interface she's a six on the worst day with no makeup on her best day her face is a seven Her body on the other hand is an eight and a half Her body is an eight and a half Her body is an eight on the on her worst day on her best day her body is a hard nine Maybe even a little higher depending upon what she is wearing and anybody who just take a stroll through my social media feed Devin's got a hot bod you guys know that And what's up fam howdy welcome to episode 162 of the red man group a sponsored today by our special greatest hits I've done him in sharp conovan as we know him the sharp father roasting himself In a way that is really spectacular I've never seen any podcaster on YouTube or the internet make fun of himself and expose himself and roast himself that aggressively in that infamously we can say Now getting into today's show to make great show We got for you here with the the facts and frauds of a man is fear. I got it with me two guests today Including DDJ returning panelists to show he helped me get part one of this little series going last weekend on Sunday special interview And I'm also gonna be joined by John Anthony from John Anthony lifestyles He's been on the show many times before and he's also an epic roast or kind of like DDJ as well on his channel You can check it out John Anthony lifestyles and DDJ is on miss Andrew today on YouTube as well as rumble bit shoot odyssey and all that John Anthony's been doing great lately on YouTube in particular He's been kicking ass. He's got 90,000 subs I think closing in on 100,000 and that's probably like triple what he had a year ago or something like that 30,000 or so to like now 90 so he's kicking ass And I both of them are good friends of mine great great finals in the show welcome back to the show Mr. DDJ and John Anthony lifestyles. What's up boys? Hey, what's going on? Do you guys enjoy the little intro I put together? Yeah, there was a lot of entertainment It reminded me of the greatest hits they used to advertise like in the 90s on TV You know like greatest hits like volume 25 or whatever the fuck there needs to be one of those for like every Single creator because yeah a lot of like I see different clips. I'm like, oh man I gotta be saving these. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a I have a I have a friend and a colleague who puts these together It takes real effort to hunt down these little, you know soundbites where they just make fun of themselves because these are like three-hour fucking streams And you know every years at a time, but if you're dedicated, you know, you can really hunt it down Well, you know, it reminds me of those the video memes that you put up there remind me of those Outdoor shows like for hog hunting, you know Yeah, it's it's amazing I think everybody you could probably find that for but there's something about kind of in the the sharp mama that is this so Spectacular, there's like this element of hyperbole. He uses but then it's also real like he's actually stating real things about his life and His wife or whatever and all this crap and he calls are very dense and fat and food snob and like Talking about your girlfriend your wife that way is it's really unusual too Like you don't ever I've shown that to some girls some wives and shit But my friends and the speakers and they're the wives in particular like their eyes go wide They can't believe this dude is talking about his wife this way. I love it though It's Donovan's one of my favorite frauds like people think I hate him And I kind of do because he's a fraud and a parasite But I kind of love like what a loser he is because he's so he's like a lovable loser like a fat Albert kind of thing going on Anyway This episode I wanted to talk more specifically about the frauds like last episode DDJ and I did about this We covered more of like the history the man is fear and the different movements within it And there's like the tribes and stuff but we didn't talk too much about like specifics for this fraud and that fraud naming names and going into details about Why they're a fraud and what their real history that is and what the lies they told are and the different deceptions and shit like that There's a lot to cover there's no way to cover this even in one episode that even though it's two hours long or something But I think we can get into the weeds of like what the top ten are or something like that So John I want to start with you Who are kind of your top three frauds that you let you go after and I know you go after some too that I usually I'm not familiar with or as much anyway like Derek Moneyberg And those kind of pieces of shit who are more like money scammers than like game scammers But who are some of the top three that are the most the biggest pieces your shit in your opinion and the man is fair RSD Tyler, I think wins that word in the pickup world Just in the general man is fear Rollo Tomasi Okay. Yeah, we'll put the top three To pick that final third spot Probably fresh and fit I guess. Oh Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, we got we got the frauds in the hood right here Pull them up good Simpson hood Yeah, so talk to me about RSD Tyler Owen Cook is his real name I know I've known him too. I've met him briefly many years ago back in like 2010 He was really weird kind of weirded me out when briefly met But I've watched him too from the old days that I used to like him too like I want to disclose that when he used to write his blog spot I forget what it was exactly called. It was a blog. He wrote, you know, I was young. I was like 18 19 I was enraptured by the hit the writings you put out and stuff and some of his old video courses, too What was it the not the free tour stuff you see in YouTube, but the old stuff like transformations and like foundation Foundations exactly. Yeah, all that old shit Well, when you're a kid, you don't know any better, too You know, it reminds me these fresh and fit kids who are like simps for these frauds. They just don't know any better They're 18 19 20 years old I've seen kids as young as like 14 years old posting on Reddit how their fans are fresh and fit and like I want to be like Fresh too and it's like yeah the fat one and I'm like dude like this is so fucked It really puts things in perspective that people I used to like when I was young and like they're just fucking losers Oh and cook is a really perfect example of that Well, that just that just kind of really defines How isolated how desperate and how devoid a lot of these young men are of positive real male role models or strong masculine role models And so, you know, when you basically say hey, I got an idea, you know, I Really aspire to be Donovan sharps hemorrhoid, you know, that's a problem. Yeah That's what that's what they are too like I was talking to John Anthony last night, you know, just over text and I've been thinking more about conceptually like why certain and it's not just a man of sphere goes way beyond that Right, but beyond the fraud father rollery beyond own cook Jordan Peterson for example someone who I think I don't think he's like a man is he's not really a man of your fraud Even though some of what he talks about would be like a man of sphere kind of issue or a topic set But I think he's an intellectual fraud and if you actually look at what he says he openly admits this to a degree He talks about how he struggles his number one struggle. I'm serious I have this on video and I'm gonna do a larger video on it is he struggles with just basic just basically telling the truth Which as a for a public intellectual whose entire job is to tell the truth about various issues with psychology and philosophy And whatever that to me is like really alarming that he's so brazen and in struggles with that He's almost 60 years old, right? He's not like some 25 year old hotshot trying to make it on YouTube or something This guy is like it's like a grant. He's a grandfather literally and he struggles of telling the truth And he's supposed to his entire job is to tell the fucking truth whether he was a professor up in Canada Or now a public intellectual a philosopher He's literally a clinical psychologist like that to me is alarming and he says it just plain as day and You can give him points almost for the honesty, but it's like honesty about being dishonest So it's this fucking head trip and then he has this huge gaggle of simps that's that suck up to him These little hemorrhoids exactly like the fresh and fit simps exactly like the role of simps These guys are like not just hoodwinked. They're they use these guys as like digital dads like digital daddies Exactly like DDJ to set that they lack father figures in their life and any kind of role model Well, and because they lack any kind of belief system, you know, they use these people this secular saints I mean, you really want to get some, you know wind up some people that are true have cold light conditioning go go after Tesla Go after Elon Musk and tell and basically tell people how Tesla couldn't have made money without all the corporate welfare who you see from the government and you'll watch these guys come out Of the woodwork and they will just come after you I mean the entertainment value is great because they can't process it The cognitive dissonance won't allow them to do it and you see this like you said you see this with Jordan Peterson You see this with Rolo Tomasi. I've seen it in the MGTOW community, you know, because you know, the idea here is that we're supposed to be able to have You know open Intellectual dialogue about things that matter to men and while we may not always necessarily be right or we may not be right in all situations one of those things that we have to be Really focused on is you know intellectual integrity and intellectual honesty When it comes to the way we communicate because we have this platform that we speak from and if we're not doing that Then you know, we degenerate in shills and we're basically setting men up for failure rather than for success Yeah Yeah, so with R. C. Tyler, I mean you can go back to the book the game The way he's described in the book the game by Neil Strauss I think was a very accurate depiction. I haven't read the book a long time But I but I've read him all times my life. I remember thinking like damn this guy's a huge piece of shit But then later like he did all this like damage control. Oh, that was all sensationalism. It's all inaccurate blah blah and I gave him the benefit of the doubt but then By being around him in person and talk people that hang out with him and then seeing the whole elaborate thing They built up it was dead on accurate, right? He is a massive piece of shit he is Behind the scenes like he's big fans of all these like big internet marketers Like he's he's studied like all the guys on how to sell from the stage how to get people to have to go by and You know the product lines at the back and sell that the Tai Lopez shit Yeah, and yeah, and he hangs out with all those guys too. He hangs out with Tai Lopez He he hangs out he goes on fresh and fit You know, he was on the episode of fresh and fit and rollo that all these guys hang out together And what's interesting is they now have over 70 products I did a video on my channel when they had about 67 about a month ago but they released more and The very idea of needing 70 products for game and I'm very connected into their their clients because They were the most popular company for the past 10 years So I've heard horror stories, you know on a weekly basis at a minimum but but in some periods, you know multiple per day of Guys just they're just being put on a hamster wheel There there's no correlation to how much time and effort and money they're putting into this rc teaching and and how good they're getting a pickup It's actually it goes in the other direction because they teach them to be like these weird gamey You know kind of like dancing monkeys and stuff like that and they're not training out guys that are good They're not fixing the problem But I think that's precisely the point. There's gonna be no other explanation It's not that they're just so confused about the topic That they're just trying to get it right and it failed 70 times. No, he's studying the art of selling The way that they built their company is very similar to a cult And I interviewed ross jeffries. He was you know, the official godfather of the menisphere, I guess and The production community for sure production. Yeah, and he yeah, he was I was like what's your thoughts on rc? He's like, oh, they're just a cult, you know, he's like they teach people to just get in line behind no one cook And that becomes that's where it becomes like very dangerous because everyone's just taking what this man says to be dogmatically correct And he's like kind of built himself up and glorified himself Much like they do in religion and stuff like that and there's guys that think like oh and cook has like a 5000 late count And you know stuff like that and I remember when I when I lived with man whore He was a 21 speaker. I remember way back to David. Yeah, I lived in vegas in 2013 And he was close friends with all in and close friends with other guys in rst And he's like, yeah, no one's not even at 50 late count. He's like, that's one of rst's best kept secrets And I was like, dude, that makes total sense because I've seen him in field and he just gets destroyed I've seen I want to I want to back this up, but I've also talked to a lot of instructors I know a lot of the old instructors because they spoke with 21 back in the day I'm not going to name exactly who it was but I can tell you publicly that Brad Branson it was an rc instructor and he spoke with 21 a couple times Tim natural Tim spoke with 21 man whore spoke with 21. Nathan spoke with 21 Alexander Was Alex social Dude, I've talked to all these guys in private and I'm not going to tell you which ones gave me dirt on Oh and some did some didn't but I can tell you that more than one of them confirmed this this 50 late count Shit, they would see him literally lie. They'd go out with him at night with the students or whatever back in like You know 2012 2015 whatever it was the fuck back in the day And they would see him get blown up at these girls and he would go on stage the next morning With them on the stage and he would tell them fake stories about how he banged these girls I wouldn't I wouldn't have personally I wouldn't have personally where he would go home alone And then the next day he'd have this full concocted story Let me let me tell like an abbreviated version of one of these real quick So sure so I took a bootcamp with them like a retard On june 2012 I had just hit 100 late count. I was literally 103 late count I remember this very specifically and I didn't know much about rst at all but I was on their newsletter somehow And I got a email that was like, oh, there's a bootcamp coming to philadelphia and there's limited spots And I was like, oh, he was from the book the game And you know, he sounded kind of shady, but he you know, he's he's backed all that out And he said no, that's all yes So I ended up calling them and they convinced me to take like one of the final spots And on the program, I just saw him get relentlessly destroyed Like it was like a massacre like like the girls were just blowing him out very quickly And this was fascinating to me because I just assumed this guy must be one of the best in the world Based on the fact that he was in the game and all this stuff the book the game And I would go up to girls and say, hey, um, what do you think of that guy? And the typical responses were weird creepy gay, you know cringe like get him out of here And and I was like, wow, this is fucking fascinating. But you know, the point of the story is Um on the the final day of the the program, like he brought me up in the front of the room He's like this guy's totally destroyed on bootcamp. He's like he's ran like perfect nights And he started telling a story How he had been at like ruth chris daycaps in philadelphia that he's there's a whole crowd in front of him, right And he's like, yeah, I met this girl when I was just getting steak And she's like top three hottest girls that I've ever met in the game And I was thinking like, oh my god, like if this guy's met, you know countless girls in the game And this was one of the top three this first wall He's able to get like 10 level girls But it didn't it didn't really jive with what I had seen whatsoever And I caught him lying a whole bunch about various stuff already And so he's he said this girl is top three hottest girls they've ever seen in the in the game And he was sitting right next to me and he was like, I'm gonna try to get her To hang out because I'm flying back to la tomorrow and he's texting with her and it was one of the I don't this was back in 2012 But whatever phone he had I could see her number at the top and I memorized it And I took it as a personal challenge if he didn't get the girl He wasn't going to go behind his back, but he didn't get the girl I was going to go after after he went back to la so He called her in front of the whole free tool in front of the whole crowd And he was trying to get it to come over and she was rejecting him openly And he's like, oh like I'll get her later and I texted tada the next day I'm like did Owen ever hook up with that girl and he's like no she wouldn't meet up with him And I had saved the number off. So I texted the girl. I'm like, hey, I'm friends with Owen I didn't tell Owen I was doing this. I was like, hey, I'm friends with Owen new to Philly blah blah start flirting with her Get on a phone call there where we're flirting more. I got her to send pictures Not even at six Like like very very very average like busted like gaps in her teeth. I was like, oh, there's no way I'd ever meet this girl worse than Donovan's wife or better than Donovan. Oh, yeah Oh, wow, that's really bad. No, that's a toss up She was she was definitely it might not have even been at five so she was just like busted. Okay And I was just like what the fuck and Then I went to to teach because I started assisting some of their programs for a few months and I went to teach In New York, I was assisting Jeff Jeffy And he's like hey, Owen told me How you, you know, you you got that number off his phone and blah blah and I'm like, yeah Well, I was just doing that as a challenge and he already had flown back to like he's like, you better not point that shit here I'm like, yeah, it's all good And I went and approached Owen to apologize And like explain the situation and he played dumb and he's like, I don't I have no idea what you're talking about and I was like I'm like wait what and he's like, I didn't know that you took the number So he's like lying straight to my face. I'm like Jeff just told me about it but he but Oh, uh, man horse said that he had caught on in like over a hundred lies that he's just like a pathological liar Yeah, that he's that he's just constantly lying about everything and and then these stories these full fabricated stories About like, oh, I did this and this and this even though he went home alone And and he's been carrying that on for like 10 15 years Like what he reports like the facade that he reports is literally that he's just built up this massive facade for the cult To all like worship him is this as this like legendary game character But the sad reality is he sucks at game girls are very repulsed by him And by the way, he's just using internet marketing tactics to extract as much money as possible While pretending to be on these guys side. So he's like I see him as like one of the work probably the number one because He's like a wolf in sheep's clothing all these guys and he was the most popular figure for the longest time in the community Yeah, and he's he's still running bootcamps. He's still running. Um, they're rebranded now. That is something new Yeah, they have they have a new company called self Self mastery company or whatever they delete our community powerful communication or some Yeah, high status communication and now they just put out a new one high vibe communication It's all wool nonsense. Julian's doing transformation mastery. Jeff. He's doing charisma mask You know, they're they're going to a broader self-help audience because they already kind of you know Basically what you're saying is that they're life coaches for men and for those people who don't know my particular attitude toward life coaches Is that life coaches are usually failed divorce women with no job skills? And so they become these life coaches because they can't even meet the low bar of going and getting a psychology or sociology degree to become a counselor, right? So they're basically like unlicensed counselors and I think that the thing that's really sad about this whole scenario is is that you know As men we go get jobs. We go to work You know, we we sometimes lose track of our friends and then you know You see some of these guys who they're making decent money or whatever and they want to go and they want to Learn how to be more successful with women and because they're somewhat socially isolated They're vulnerable to these cult conditioning tactics, which is what you guys are talking about here And so and that's what ends up happening And so you see this and I mean I used to see this like back in the day I'm a little bit older than both you guys I used to see this stuff with the with the multi-level marketing people The multi, you know at the pyramid scammers like, you know And you would see this all the time and they would use these whole Fake relationships they would create these relationships with their customers And they were these one-sided psychophantic relationships and that and that's how they would use the cult condition You know, you're great. You're this you're whatever and they love bomb just the way narcissistic women Love bomb men obviously minus the sexuality. I hope and so You know and it ends up being like this big this big huge Uh, you know cult conditioning specifically for profit because the only thing they're trying to do is separate you from your money Yeah, and they've demonized results. That's another big thing I take issue with like I'm my my sole mission And helping guys this is to get them as complete of a solution as quickly as possible And that's not necessarily like a good business model. I think it's good for for reputation Like we just put together a whole testimonial page that was showing you Anthony Where there's like just endless like hundreds and hundreds of testimonials But very often after I train a guy like in my two month mentorship like he's like set like he's he's crushing it He doesn't need any more help but but uh Tyler is like You know, there's he's telling you just trust the process and you have all these guys going for years with literally nothing to show for it And they they make out anyone that cares about getting the result that they want game is being like a weirdo Right, it's it's basically when religion is like blessed are the poor and the we and it's kind of like all backwards Uh, they they do the same thing here where like they framed me out over the years Is like this weird guy that cares about banging hot chicks and you shouldn't be like that You know, that's unhealthy you should you should just trust the process trust the process So like when I call guys out like hey, I've been training with rc for three years I haven't gotten late, but they say that I'm improving. I'm like, dude, that's a vacuous statement You you haven't achieved the results you want if you went to a personal trainer and you made no progress in three years You wouldn't accept this trust the process thing But but that flies in the self-help space because people think that they're like progressing on some level Even though they're not getting any kind of tangible results And and I almost you know, I would say like 80 90 percent of the clients I've gotten over the past 10 years are guys that went down the rsd road and failed And I like have come through in the in the wake of the wreckage And these guys are all skeptical a lot of them have given up But all these different coaches have promised them a fix or solution And shoot them up and spit them out But the sad thing is they keep going back to those coaches because that's what I want to talk about Hang on a second. So I don't really like Phileon. He's done hit videos on me. Um, I don't like him either Yeah, just a waller, which was hilarious. Who? This guy this new guy in the scene j waller who hangs out with rollo and robert kiyosaki. Oh, so he's a fraud. Okay, yeah It hangs out the tapes though as well Yeah, the tapes are kind of like I've called to cover to like a warlord to the manisphere and while it's funny I also mean it because he'll sell like weapons to both sides so to speak And I don't mind that because I've always seen him as that so it's like a shark being a shark But anyway, what I wanted to focus on here is I don't like Phileon I think he's douchebag 90 in a beta for sure, you know, 99 percent of the time But I thought this is a decent video on tony robbins lately. Uh, he's put out four days ago It's worth watching. Um, how tony robbins uses a lot of the tactics that we're talking about And has been doing so since the 80s like a long Tyler copied him Well, it's funny you mentioned that because um, tony robbins just interviewed with tucker carlson on tucker carlson today Okay, and he admits it He admits it. He openly he openly admits it. He basically says look he goes I wanted to learn how to market self-help to people And he said so I I learned nearly the linguistic Programming and that's the technique I use to sell people all this stuff and that's how I made my name I mean if you listen to it He's not basically saying he's a fraud or anything, but he'd say basically saying look I'm able to manipulate these people in the way that I want to to sell the things that I want to sell In fact, he's such a good Influencer of people's behaviors and attitudes that that's why he's got all these rich people contacting him and things like that But I think that the issue that you have is a lot of these people They don't want to help men They want to personally enrich themselves and they see people like tony robbins get rich I'll do the same things that they want to do and they're like, yeah, this this is great when the reality is is that half of these men if they had strong male Uh friendships if they had strong male connections in their own personal families If they were involved a little bit in their community They wouldn't need most of this stuff and then they can go to people Who are experts to kind of teach them the advanced stuff that maybe they wouldn't have gotten from their friends or family Well, I want to I want to focus on something here that you're bringing up You know as they you know, tony robbins, for example has been succeeding in some respect as a fraud or whatever for a long time The issue that filion brought up that I thought is pretty good is that and we've seen this with fresh and fit Spencer quenilia called this out really well in a couple of his videos about uh, vacant fraud fresh and fit basically the more the better the more time that goes by and you succeed even by uh Uh incident or accident or whatever is conning like the lowest of the low the drag of the society the dumbest motherfuckers The room temperature iq's of the manosphere or whatever You gain a level of credibility from being a fraud kind of like a bernie made off You would see outside of the manosphere in the financial industry back in the 2000s Even though he was a fraud the whole time the more he succeeded at being a fraud you gain a credibility from being a fraud That appears it's the illusion of legitimacy And it doesn't make you legitimate It just means you're legitimate fraud and you're good at being a fraud and a conman and a bullshitter jordan peterson's the same thing So it's like this vicious feedback loop that they build and all the only people at rope sin are the people Ultimately that ddj is talking about that which is a lot of society now because they're raised by single moms and all this crap I think fresh and fit vacant fraud in particular have roped in a lot of young black men Because young black men in america have a much higher percentage of single moms Which creates either, you know, these broken unhinged alphas that don't have a dad or momma's boys That's what single moms raise every time 99 percent of the kid is unhinged alpha or broken fucking momma's boy like donovan Which is why donovan's still a fucked up con artist one more thing That dj needs to harp on john anthony mentioned how these guys are pathological liars and that reminded me of dj Saying last week on the show that liars always lie and i love that saying because you're right They lie 99 of the time and they're all compulsive pathological about it Anyway, i'll shut up Well, no problem and and i was going to say to you as far as the african-american community is concerned The real tragedy is that the the super high levels of insecurity And the fact that they don't have any real conflict resolution skills and that isn't a racial thing That's a that's a nurtured thing. That's because again, they don't have any positive or male role models So they resort to violence a lot faster But more importantly, you know, when you look at the homosexual community The the largest demographic in the homosexual community Are black men So that tells you a lot of what you need to know about the insecurity and how comfortable they are around women And kind of how comfortable they are and their skills in navigating those those romantic relationships I just think it's amazing that donovan is also Yeah, he's a huge racist, but he's not racist against white people. He's racist against black people That's what's interesting. He's like he's like white liberals who hate white people Donovan is like this black liberal who hates other black people and he openly not only black women but other black men He fights at the black man's sphere all the fucking time because they know that he hates black people Especially black women, but I think black men as well He's just he's this giant like racist retard Well, there's a lot of there's a lot of positive voices in the black man's sphere And you know, they're basically telling people to be self-reliant and they're and they're you know, giving strength to their audience And that offends donovan because again, he can't practice cult conditioning with people because I want to go fuck himself Exactly Now another thing I wanted to mention from the filian stuff though again I think it's a decent video filian's a douche bag for sure But that doesn't mean brook and clocks right twice a day or whatever, right? So look, what he his video got me thinking about There's a bunch of cognitive fallacies that these sims fall for right One of them would be like sunk cost fallacy Which is kind of like a gambler's thing You don't you dump in all this money right and you just keep going and going and going This is how they get gamblers to get these people hooked on this shit And if you dump 400 hours listening like I did maybe not 400 But listening to rsd tyler back in the day and foundations and all these programs Or you sit there for five hours at a time listening to the fraud father now currently talk about hypergamy hypergamy hypergamy You know every fucking day for five hours at a time This is conditioning number one to condition your brain to you know continue believing this shit But also you're really investing a tangible amount of time a huge amount of time hundreds of hours listening to these retards talk about this Shit and then money money on top of that It might just be five dollars a month on patreon, but over months and years this racks up to be There's like a correlation to like the insulation you're building around yourself from a cognitive dissonance perspective Because anyone challenges this guy First of all, it's it's like two. It's like it's like not even a consideration to admit that everything you've been following is wrong Right. Yeah And then well me and you challenge their investment. They're a tangible investment of time and money And that's what makes them it's even worse now. They don't want to admit they're in the first place They're also conditioned that when anyone doubts them To let you know like like rollo has conditioned everyone anyone that doubts me as a blue pill beta simp No one wants to be a blue pill beta simp so for purple pill purple to purple pill Yeah, yeah, he's clever about uh gatekeeping, you know purple pill blue pill whatever they have he he's been doing that for years He he cuts them out of his little circle of influence his religion basically these belt Well, and that's and that just so we're clear Let's let's be honest That is absolute blue pill cult behavior because the reality is is that oh, yeah If you're a manusphere voice like, you know, I consider myself a manusphere voice I want the men that listen to me or follow my content. I want them to be Um resilient. I want them to be self-sufficient. I want them to be um, you know strong psychologically and emotionally And that means that if someone disagrees with me and they disagree with me on the issue Let's have a conversation about it But if all you're doing is concerned trolling or you're sitting here and you're you're basically just being disparaging with ad-hom and character assassination attacks and nothing else, right? Um, now I know you're full of shit now. I know that that basically you have some kind of ulterior motive to the disagreement Yeah, I think that eventually no one no one should be afraid to defend their positions Absolutely absolutely and and the reality is and you know, it's kind of funny, you know, john You made this comment about how, you know, maybe it's not a really good business model But I teach these guys to do whatever and then they go off or they don't come back Well, the reality is is that you know in in in the practice of law I work in the legal field in the practice of law I tell people You know, we want to get you to a point where we don't have to talk again Because nobody wants to and that's when you know, someone's on your side Like I had a personal trainer once that said that he's like He's like if I don't get you to your goals and like we're not making steady progress and I failed my job And you know that I have I failed as a coach and I was like, yeah, that's what I tell my clients too Like that's how everyone should fucking talk right But there's there's people in every one of these little tribes including the migtau community Who basically tell their listeners look you got to come back next week because if you don't you know You're not going to get your dose of red pill and then you're going to slide back to the blue pill Whatever, right? When the reality is that whether you're consider yourself pua or just general red pill or migtau or whatever That should only be a single aspect Of your personal identity If you frame your whole identity around being a pua unless you're a professional coach or something like that Or you frame your whole identity around being migtau or you frame your whole identity around, you know You know being a being a rollo follower You've missed the boat and you're not you're not an independent thinker You're an npc. You're a manusphere npc. And this is why I talk about the red pill blind spot Is that you have to basically trust but verify But you have to trust but verify within the manusphere as well as the general community In which you inhabit in which we all inhabit and that's why I also go out of my way Time and time again to say look don't socially isolate Don't sit at home and you know and if you live in your mom's basement move out You know make sure you have a job make sure you've got social connections Make sure that you have you know people you can talk to in places you can go because those things Naturally inoculate you From this coat like conditioning bullshit that happens across the manusphere And the more that we can help men the better everything is going to be whether you know No matter what walk of life we work with Yeah, I'm just showing this meme here. I thought it was pretty great these little pigs are never falling off the cliff Rational male Perfect Facts bro facts facts facts facts Yeah, so I wanted to talk a little bit more about the filian video One more point he made and it was really good and it got me thinking about it He talked about cognitive business theory, which is a big part of what we see with these in particular They're not not just fraud in general, but the simp like armies and they're different, right? Rolo has his own little simp army fresh and fed as their own little simp army Jordan Peterson elham cook And this is not normal, right? This is this is weird behavior So it got me thinking about sunk cost fallacy as well In terms of like quantitatively time money they invest The more they invest the more they don't want to admit. They're wrong and they don't want to admit They're wrong in the first place, right? No one it's it's like basic human psychology Like people are more likely to rationalize that admit that they were wrong and turn course on an issue Most people just don't have the emotional and cognitive maturity to do that Especially these 18 year old kids that are lost and fatherless and shit But also there's a qualitative element to it as well. I think and that's this is what john You've been talking about that's me thinking about it as well Basically not only do they want these guys not leaving so they stay and keep giving more money And they share more videos and share more books and Relieve reviews. There's a lot of different mechanisms actually use these guys for to make them money It's not just direct money. It's how can they leverage their audience? Through manipulating them to do more stuff for them to be little bitches little npcs like dj said But anyway, the fact that they're wrong is part of why the develop is called following, right? This is what filion's video got me thinking about It's the fact that they're wrong is what actually drives this if they were giving Reality-based information and facts and evidence and things that actually worked and actually moved the needle on someone's life Not only would that guy leave they wouldn't stick around to rationalize Why this ridiculous bullshit is true when it's not true So and he he cites a cult where uh in the 1950s where it was like the end of the world was coming And then it didn't happen, right? And then there was this big meeting when it was about to happen like fucking hundreds of them showed up And you would think okay the world didn't end clearly this person's wrong I'm going to get the fuck out of here But they all fucking stayed in this cult and they just rationalized why it didn't happen So in the in the atmosphere, it's kind of the same thing It's the fact I think that it doesn't work that it's so retarded and so wrong It hooks these guys in and they just wanted to make do mental gymnastics for why and they frame it as being like a Really hard problem like like someone told me that they researched a lot about cigarette smoking And that it's actually not that hard to quit. I don't this is just what my friends did a lot of research He said it's actually not that hard to quit but the whole marketing of it being like super hard is what keeps people hooked so like You know like like I know rst like started selling boot camps in packs of four Right, like I never need to teach a guy more than one boot camp Sometimes they come to like take it to a very advanced level or to learn three some pick up and something like that But they're literally selling these guys boot camps in packs of four and then by the end of that four They're like, okay, like we made a little bit of progress We still a lot more work to go and they frame it as being this giant problem It's going to take years to solve And that they're the only solution for So and then I speak to guys that have taken three packs of four like 12 boot camps and they're like, dude I don't know what to do in a nightclub. I'm like, what was going on in those programs? It's just like abstract theoretical kind of feel good nonsense It doesn't translate any practical strategy But if you took like one of my programs that fixed the problem in a very serious way Versus like 12 non-sensical programs that those 12 non-sensical programs are building investment like to your point It's making the guy invest And you know, he's not going to want to give up then because he thinks that he's making some kind of real progress Along the journey because they're they framed it that way. They think it's a big problem It's like Derek Moneyberg The point is that it doesn't work It has to not work to keep you coming back to buy more shit that also doesn't work And the goal is to just get you to buy as much bullshit for as long as possible before you burn out and go somewhere else Well, and what these guys are doing is is is they're teaching these men to become lemons And really it's that's that's a really dangerous path to go on Um, and I'm going to say something here that's going to be real unpopular Is that when you teach men to become dependent and you teach these men to to give up their Um ability to make good decisions for themselves Eventually they get to a point in their life where basically what you're doing is you're creating psychological problems in these men's lives You're creating security. Oh, yeah creating depression You're creating cognitive dissonance and eventually These men will either kill themselves or they'll kill the other people around them because they'll lash out because they can't Or or they just have a miserable existence and and I hear these I've heard like thousands and thousands of these stories. That's that's in part why like I looked we have a section on my on my channel about Videos and I have like 115 now And and people are like, oh, he's just hating. He's just cloud chasing In reality, I talked to so many guys That are just totally miserable because of these other content creators and it's all their own expense. It's all the it's like It's like they're uh, they're a slave to these content creators who are just taking their time in their energy and their money And they're giving them nothing back. They're making their life much worse They're they're they're indoctrinating them into all this bullshit So they just keep paying them and paying them and paying them to get this short term relief But nothing ever comes better in their life in a lot of cases. They're they're pushed, you know In the wrong direction. A lot of these guys that train in these other companies They're harder to help afterwards than guys that are just like a blank slate Right. Well, and I saw that a lot and I saw that a lot in the migthaw community Because if you look at the original migthaw manifesto, the original migthaw manifesto is Support masculine men support feminine women and support limited government, right? Well from about 2015 forward, there was a whole group of migthaw content creators who only supported walking away from women and Anytime you brought up the migthaw manifesto They would attack you and that that leads me to another point When you speak to a person that you disagree with on any philosophical subject And that person when you when you express that disagreement in a respectful way and that person gets angry There's something wrong with that individual And you know, and I'm not talking about value judgments I'm not talking about, you know the difference like a christian talking to a homosexual about how homosexuality is a sin Of course the homosexual is going to be offended, right? That's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about in a scenario where you know You're discussing some intellectual aspect of the manifesto or some element of the red pill like a red pill truth, right? And then that person gets upset at you that tells you there's something wrong with that individual because if the first thing they do Is resort to being angry They're typically not there to help men what they're there to do Is they're there to make money and they're there to make money off of the men? And I saw this in the migthaw community a lot where You know the the migthaw guys a lot of them there was a lot of infighting But part of the reason is because most of these men Did not express healthy masculinity and they had no ability to manage conflict They couldn't sit there and disagree on something And then maybe have it degenerate into a bunch of f bombs. Fuck you. Fuck you too And then turn around bring it back around meet have a common ground meeting of the minds And maybe either agree to disagree or go okay Maybe I was wrong on this and move on because the reality is you know It's like what Muhammad Ali said If you're the same man at 50 that you were At 20 you wasted 30 years of your life And the only way we're successful in life is by making some of these mistakes and learning from those mistakes And then making different mistakes until we learn how to succeed And that's the problem that you have in Um, you know like in rolo tamasi's community for example Where he does the life coaching and a lot of these guys who do this type of life coaching who run in that crowd But it's the same problem that that happens in the migthaw community mean unlicensed counseling. It's probably illegal It is it is it's absolutely illegal and there's a reason that there are laws against it It's because unlicensed counseling harms more men than helps them, right And the other side of it is is that you're not talking about the higher intellectual elements of the manifesto Like if you look at the manifesto you're back in 2008 2010 2012 There were a lot of guys Who spoke out who were highly intellectual and maybe they were you know Crass in their delivery, but they thought about this stuff They considered it and they they understood it whereas today Most of the people who speak out a lot about the stuff about the manifesto They're talking about one-on-one level stuff. Like like you said, oh my hope my my hypergamy, you know, or You know, these women are thoughts or nae walt and all that like these are super basic concepts And and frankly if your content is doing the same thing today that it's doing back then Then maybe you know, you don't have the comprehension That that you think you do and that's really the big challenge here is that again, it's about Managing the conflict and learning something new Well, they have they have no comprehension of anything tangible It's all bullshit stacked on top of bullshit stacked on top of bullshit stacked on top of plagiarism I mean, it's like 10 levels of deception fraud plagiarism theft And just rampant keyboard jockeying theory jockeying Rolo in particular even is even worse than elwin cook at least elwin cook would go out and get blown up by women Rolo hasn't had a sane melee in 30 fucking years Like this shit this shit is beyond And he he's it's insane. He talks to 18 year old kids about trying to get spinning plates Like you haven't spun plates since bo clinton was getting blow jobs, man Or I mean in the white house. Well, well, I mean, I mean to be devil's advocate here, right to take an opposite position We don't know if he's like, you know Undercover in the gay community and maybe that's what he's talking about. We just don't know I've heard he's getting divorced and he's cheating on his wife or something, but I don't maybe he's in the closet I don't know Nothing would surprise me with this guy. I mean, he's so sick and so twisted in the head You know, there's someone we're missing though They think we need to focus on and he's one of in my opinion. He's maybe not the biggest fraud There's much elwin cook the fraud father Fresh and fit the sharp father. There's a lot of there's a lot of frauds But I think probably the most extreme fraud is the child stalker Jonathan pigwood This guy has confessed and tried to take ownership for Stalking children in public and taking pictures of little kids Uh, this shit gets really sick. It gets where I mean, we have a whole bunch of these Let's saving it into him So there's all kinds of photos if you go on his instagram, uh, maybe like a year and a half ago two years ago And he was just constantly stalking children in public places schools in the public walking around He would say these there's videos where he says these kids are so cute. They're so cute Uh, it's really weird stuff and there's a lot of it and he's even tried making excuses for it Like oh that was like this is him here He's always taking these little creepy pictures of kids He doesn't know these children. He does it in disneyland or something in tokyo He does it in subways this one here. Look at this fucking photo Like why are you taking a picture of a three-year-old kid in public? That you don't know and it's this is without obviously the knowledge of the parents And then posting it and then talking about it and trying to make excuses for it And this is someone that is is a army of cute kids I mean, this is this is borderline This looks like pedo stuff in slow motion Like I don't think I don't know if he's actually molested any children yet But this looks like it's on a very clear path to pedophilia and child molestation And this guy is propped up by the fraud father by freshen fit by conovan by richard cooper by even john samas I mean, this shit is the sickest shit. I have ever seen in the manisphere It's a step above and beyond significantly than any of the commercial fraud And the cult behavior and stuff like that, which is really bad I mean, I don't want to downplay that stuff. I said this involves a bunch of kids now And this is and this is supposed to be a dating coach. Are you fucking kidding me? Like you're like a pedo coach Well, my yeah, my input here is I I have no official comment currently because i'm suing There's an active lawsuit in the u.s. And in japan against this guy That I that I filed so I've been advised not to make any public comments. Well, I'll tell you what I'll make some public comments about it all right Because because she is so cute. What the fuck is going on here Right. So so here's the thing There are a lot of guys in the manisphere Who are promoting and and I see this in some of the like like what passes for the big tau community as well Where people are saying things that just make no sense or they're completely degenerate And so for instance, like, you know, there was a content creator who I won't currently name Who I used to associate with Who used to promote trannies in his discord and homosexuals in his discord And that's your lifestyle. That's fine. But what these guys were doing is these homosexuals and trannies They were going to discord and they were praying on big tau men And then they were posting child porn in the discord and when these things were called out Obviously, I was the bad guy for saying hey, maybe this is wrong, right? and so You have these people and they're getting together and they're forming these these groups in these communities And they're forming these online communities specifically to promote This this child abuse and what people don't understand is that, you know, while we kind of say, okay This is an innuendo issue. The concern is is that if there's a huge pandemic right now of people who were isolated who are sharing child porn and things like that And you have these people who are doing this Specifically to use as grooming tools for children. So they're they're basically they're their child abuse one child abuse or wannabes And that's and this is kind of like the gateway to do that And you know, when they post these pictures, even though they seem innocuous These are grooming techniques, but it's also they're dog whistles for other child abusers and pedophiles to say look I'm a safe person. You can talk about this degenerate shit with me And and that's really a huge issue Because there's a lot like I said, there's a lot of guys out there that are isolated and they do these different things And then you have content creators that are selling sex toys You have content creators that are promoting organizations that promote Pedophilia and pedophilia support groups and things like that and it's a very slippery slope and it happens very very quickly and then all of a sudden, you know Everybody's like well We need a virtue signal on behalf of child grooming child sex grooming when really all those people just need to go out and be put out in a field And their family line needs to be just ended right there Because there's there's no other solution. This is grooming behavior. Is it not? Well, it's it's it's it's grooming behavior in that what he's doing is he's sending coded messages to other Child abusers So so he's not actually grooming the kid per se But what he could do is he could theoretically use these pictures and go. Oh, yeah, I take pictures of kids all the time It's okay Right and use it. I mean it's like that old school like the sex predator That's oh i'm a photographer and he tries to get close to the chick as a photographer When really he just wants to force himself on her It's the same sort of thing just with with child abuse and pedophilia I mean that yeah, that is what I see here team and and this is so it's so sick Because I don't know I mean number one. It's a sick objectively and you and I think universally But I don't know of a single other manager fraud who takes it to the level of stalking children and public Well, and that's why it's so and no one calls it out. They all support them. It's sick Well, and let me kind of let me kind of take it a step further Okay, I'm not just saying this because this is my personal opinion I'm saying this is a family law professional who has worked on a lot of these high conflict cases To get children of abuse out of these kinds of situations So I've seen this stuff on the front line and I've watched people turn the other way and go Oh, you know, we're going to go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt It's like, you know, that's fine But you know unless your bullet is named the benefit of the doubt, I wouldn't give it to him You know, that's that's the point and and and this is a huge issue And it's a huge issue that's going across the country And that's why you see like these teachers are involved now and it's become a massive pandemic And you got these people in the Manusphere promoting this stuff and they're also trying to create these groups of fellow pedophiles So they can go do whatever it is they do together. It's it's a cancer and and it's it's just it's horrible Yeah, it's cancer. It's a Manusphere cancer in this case is the best way to put it Yeah, John's doing them and stuff. Good for you, man Yeah, basically like the quick summary there what happened is is uh, he bought one of my products Using his own email address. Okay, and then a few weeks later He released a product taking tons of novel stuff that I had innovated in that product It wasn't too hard to put two and two together I called them out publicly And then I went and did some research about his other products And he had just taken products from other people including player supreme who was a dead guy That he called the n word, you know, even though he was dead and a whole bunch of other cases And I outlined all that and in revenge He went and slandered me across Three extremely long videos just full fabricating endless amounts of stuff to try to discredit my skills discredit my coaching abilities Discredit all the proof I have just pulling stuff out of his ass and I and I sent him a Season to assist he ignored that I sent him a letter of intent to sue he ignored that he put those up in videos and said Look, he's not going to do shit And then I sued him in his business in florida. He's living in tokyo and he got served personally in tokyo There's a japanese lawsuit too For a defamation case and if I could go on and on about this guy his mom is one of my neighbors here in florida She lives like 10 minutes up the road, you know His mom that he talks about how hot she is and how beautiful she is. It's sick, man There's all blog posts you can go you can hunt down on his blog where he talks about how hot his mom is He still does it publicly to some degree on his videos. I think it's really really weird behavior I think he was like molested as a kid or something. Yeah, that's that's what it sounds like I mean because here's the issue if if you've got an edifice complex like that against your mom And you're taking photos of little children. Maybe you've got issues. It's like that. I don't know if you remember that youtuber Uh that went trans they call him chris chan and I don't know chris chan was a real popular internet person and he was one of these guys he did a video game speed running in a live stream video gaming and It came out in his discord and elsewhere That he was banging his 73 year old mom with dementia Oh my god And he was bragging about like how she was into it and how he was into it and how she totally I mean it was really I mean this guy's like 40 years old. Okay his mom's in her 70s. She's got dementia Well, they eventually said, you know what we're gonna arrest this guy cops came to his house They threw the cuffs on him. He's being criminally charged right now. I forget if it's north or south carolina But that's that's kind of the the end result of this is that you see the deterioration and the guy is is is complete cancer He's complete cancer. In fact, apparently he went into court at one point and he was like, I'm famous on youtube You can't throw jail He basically tried to tranny out alpha the judge didn't work so well for him I I think that at some point, uh, Jonathan pigwood, uh, peter would He will be charged arrested for pedophilia or Fucking his mom or something like something's gonna happen Well, yeah, we're we're gonna be going after him for uh criminal charges as well I can't get in the details, but there there's Excellent a lot as he broke as well Yeah, I mean it's it's so bad. I mean I tried to get my fans too. I think I think uh on a lesser scale Obviously, it's not pedophilia, but I think, you know donovan shark conovan I think he's he's violated probably some laws in florida and jersey where he lives or used to live for false advertising and just various deceptive practices um, even ddj did a video, uh, god bless him here on exposing the Contract fraud, I guess you would call it for his conference where they steal your money There's no refunds. Even if they cancel the event, which is like a unconscionable contract He even did cancel his event and I think he did steal some of the money Uh, based on what he said publicly was really shady. He's like, you know, we were canceling it, but we'll we'll figure it out We'll figure it out It's like motherfucker You can't this was last year when he tried to he tried to attack my convention He put his event on the same day and then he had to cancel it like a fucking loser I called out some people too like erin clary and terence pop and his other fucking beta males That refused to stand up for this This is obvious fraud that they he had weaponized their reputations their names as speakers and youtubers or whatever To sell tickets and then keep all the money and steal it And just give I think he gives people basically ebooks, right ddj and his contract or something other products and services It's like that's not a refund dude. I don't want I don't want a thousand $1,300 in fucking ebooks about woman e is volume the 57 like this Well and more importantly, I don't want a dollar 50 ebook that you're that you say it's worth 375 Right. Yeah, it's it's fraud. It's really aggressive fraud and no one stands up against it And when you do there's a negativity bias too because these people people negative emotions are more likely to speak up But when you call it out these little simps come after you and it's like dude This is like i'm doing a great service and you're just giving me hell for it I don't really at the end of the day doesn't really matter It's actually kind of fun. I feed off of this negative energy from these little fucking losers Well the way I do it. It's like a lot of fun. It's really it's like really uh satisfying Like it was like a steak, you know, like a fucking like a grilled steak just biting into that shit Well, and if you really want to see what the long-term impacts of a lot of these types of mana sphere frauds If you really want to see the the damage of the long-term impacts of these You don't have to look any further than the men's rights movement Because the men's rights movement has been dealing with this for 20 or 30 years Where you know, they've got these frauds in the community or these people who they're they're hiding in the community and their predators And then they they violate the law both civilly and criminally And they prey upon the other people in those communities. And so we see that a lot I've seen it a lot in in the 25 to 28 years Is this uh, you gave me some links. Is this an example that so so this is an example of that The lady's name is uh Dr. Tory Evans Barton and I think she's got a degree in like like a doctorate in philosophy And she created this thing called the fatherless foundation Now what she does is she markets this idea that she's going to help these people Get an attorney and get their kids back. They pay her some money She acts as a middleman goes and finds the attorney and then supposedly helps them now She has helped some people, you know, there are some actual legitimate testimonials But but as many people as she helped from what I understand She's also harmed people. She's taken the money and run like I have a personal friend of mine That she borrowed thousands of dollars from and never paid it back. I know an attorney She borrowed a bunch of money from she never paid it back. I know people where they've given her donations And she's just she's ran with the money. She switched from there was a criminal charge against her at one point for fraud And I think it was in georgia um Better business bureau said she settled four complaints in the last three years, for example And she keeps trying to rebrand herself and she's only that that's the thing She's only one example of many, you know, there's other people like there's a guy named greg parsons Who's a veteran who lost custody of his kids? And so he's selling these legal documents to to help veterans Avoid paying child support off of their disability But in one case, I know particularly He actually told a veteran to forge his ex-wife's name on these documents So that he wouldn't have to pay child support to get it garnished out of his disability check from the military and and by the way Like I said, if greg parsons is listening to this I encourage you to attempt to sue me on that for defamation because I can prove it So you you need to understand like I'm not saying this shit lightly. He knows who I am My name is bob lewis. He knows who I am. He knows the client. I'm talking about so this is this is my personal experience with him And when when this was called out because it's a felony and more importantly when you forge a federal document to the united states military That's a federal felony. Okay These are serious issues. You're destroying live. You're setting people up for failure And these are perjury or what? Well, it's it's forgery when you sign when you sign somebody else's signature on a federal document during the federal government, right? It's it's a federal it's a federal forgery And so the problem that you have with this again Is that they're taking advantage of these guys who are isolated and desperate and these non custodial parents? I mean, there are some non custodial female parents out there too But this is mostly an issue that impacts men, you know, and then you've got these other people like Gordon rose for example who He he's going after anybody who tries to help somebody in the men's rights community He goes after him and he calls him a fraud and he attacks him and he does these expose videos And it turns out that he lost custody of his kids because he was violent And then he turned out that he got so upset at the judge He started stalking the judge's children In an effort to harass the judge and he was charged criminally and and convicted In the state of arizona for this sort of thing So these are the kind of predators we're talking about but even on a lower level There are a lot of predators who you know in that mra Fathers rights equal shared parenting community There are a lot of people out there who you know, they're guilty of domestic violence They're guilty of child abuse They're guilty of the things that they've been accused of and they're hiding in these communities And they're hoping that by hiding in these communities. They can rehabilitate their character and fly under the radar And so That's the issue and a lot of these fathers rights organizations They're embezzling the money that they're receiving. I know there's one organization right now, for example They held a big conference I want to say it was last year of the year before And it turned out people were donating to them for like travel expenses and things like that And they wouldn't even give it to the Organization to have the organization dispersed that they just put the money in their pocket And they spent it. However, they were going to spend it so Those types of things are huge issues that have to be addressed And the problem is is that there are so many people out there who need help Whether, you know, whether whether these guys need help in in their dating life And so somebody like john anthony can help them or whether they're isolated and they don't have any strong male role models So, you know, 21 can help them or guys that are going through You know, the divorce family law system or, you know, they've been they've been destroyed by the family courts You know, somebody like me who's who's a legal professional can help them, you know And just so we're clear I'm not a life coach, right? And I'm not going to be giving legal advice. I'll give my personal opinion But you're not an attorney you're a paralegal correct, correct And I only work with attorneys so like I don't touch these cases unless I have an attorney working with me Because I'm within the four corners of the law Because I'm not an attorney and there are things that an attorney can tell you that I cannot tell you And it's not because, you know of anything other than, you know, they're trained There's a reason they go to school for seven years and get a jurist doctorate degree There's a reason a psychologist goes to school for six to eight years Before they become a psychologist or a counselor or things like that and, you know Going online and reading somebody's blog post and then plagiarizing it and rebranding it as your own or changing five words And making it your own and writing a book about it. That's a rollo did yeah, right, right? That doesn't make you that doesn't make you a professional. It doesn't make you an expert, right? It just doesn't do it But it's fascinating when you look at the effect, right? It's as if that's as if he was not not with any truth component behind it But he's tricked everyone into thinking that well, and it's and it reminds me so like in my own divorce case The the parenting investigator Had no experience with children of child abuse So my kids were abused and they were in the home with their mom for five years and they were abused five and six days a week I eventually was able to get custody back of them But in the process of doing that, you know, we're in trial I'm pro say in my trial, which means I don't have an attorney and I'm questioning The investigator who did an incompetent investigation Um And so he tells me that he's an expert in child abuse. Well, I went through his whole curriculum vitae. He's got no No, no classes no academic training no degrees and anything related to child abuse He took a c le one time, which is a continuing legal education about four hours of training Where they basically talked to attorneys on how to litigate child abuse cases So you can't learn shit about child abuse in four hours, right? So he's like so he tells me he goes well the reason that I'm an expert is because I have all this experience in child abuse And so I said I said as an investigator or a perpetrator And then I told the judge well, we need to you know, I withdraw the question because I didn't want to get sanction But I then then I then I went on to say Well, my concern is is that you're trying to tell me that your experience qualifies you an expert But that's like saying that A woman who's been a rape victim for 15 years is an expert in sexual assault when really she's been on the receiving end And you see this all the time these people have some exposure in the community And then they start holding themselves out as experts when they have zero expertise whatsoever They may have some theoretical knowledge or they can they can mouth the words But they don't have any actual Wisdom or experience in doing the things that they claim that they do. Yeah Yeah, that's that's that's a con man. That was what you've described. Yes. Yeah Rollo is case in point. It's like I devoted like most of my free time over the past 15 years to to go through and do all the dating stuff And I can just tell by the way he speaks about this shit that he has no idea what he's talking about All he's doing is repeating stuff Where did you where did you say the majority of it was Anthony? That's the soswa forms Three places I would say it's so suave reddit, particularly the red pill subreddit that he was one voice of 300 000 He stole a lot I've had guys on that reddit reach out to me citing the exact blog post Rollo crafted from their stolen post that was posted six months earlier multiple guys very line item shit that he Steals yeah, he put yeah that boas dude in the irrational elbow. He said rollos just a good plagiarist Also, though he steals most importantly lately. I want to I want to do a video about this He steals from the philosopher and novelist who died 1982, but he steals from iron rand A famous philosopher. She wrote a bunch of books. I was chugged the fountain head all kinds of nonfiction books particularly Well, in he steals from the philosophy heavily. I've realized much more so than I Much more so than the average guy even who's looking at his fraud and plagiarism realizes So it's not just so swab. It's not just some random pickup artist form It's not some random blog like ruche. He stole from or whatever a box day. Maybe that's not his reddit It's actual philosophy. He steals from and he bastardizes it His mpoo mental point of origin for example I talked to him about this for years and he never he was always very evasive about it and dodgy I never wanted to talk about it I'm like, dude your mpoo is like exactly like rational egoism Rational self-interest that ian ran described. It's not just similar It's like verbatim right and whenever I would confront him about this He would just completely fucking shut off right and even on the red pill subreddit There's guys who would compare objective this ethics objective this Rational self-interest to rollo's mpoo. They would draw very obvious similarities to it that were fundamental Like the whole fucking thing is ripped off basically and these little beta males these little simps for rollo They go out and they're like, oh rollo's a genius. He did all this shit. It's like, dude This is so heavily Lifted and plagiarized and stolen wikipedia too boas shows how he takes a whole bunch of shit from wikipedia He shows the stuff, you know side by side and again just straight plagiarism Well, and and I think that the other thing the two that it's important to bring up is that There are so many people That take this stuff at face value again It goes to that red pill blind spot But it just goes to show you like you see some of these frauds and how popular they become It goes to show you how many men are in need How many men are isolated and how many men are actually actively searching for Good solid healthy masculine red pill wisdom and they're not getting it, right? And so that's that's the thing that I think that that needs to be addressed as well at some point And so that's why these conversations are so important because You know when you're when you're a plagiarist when you're a con artist when all you're doing is scamming You know that ends up being a huge Issue like I said you're harming more men than helping them and there are so many men looking for help Then they need strong healthy masculine role models and they just don't have as many as we need Well, this is also the wider internet is there's unlimited access to information There's an unlimited quantity of information But so much of it is this fucking terrible garbage that these dudes even even authentically looking for answers is fine Every industry basically Yeah, I think and I agree and I think the monastery is one of the worst because it involves a lot of guys who are Exiting divorces and relationships and marriages. They can't get laid So there's a sex issue now that no one wants to talk about sex is so taboo even today in culture Even with our liberated feminist bullshit It's still no one wants to give to have a real conversation about like the ins and outs of what works and what doesn't what the realities are And so they get roped up in all this it's it's really I hate other the fake news calls stuff misinformation, but Objectively it's misinformation this kind of stuff. It's just fake. It's pseudoscientific garbage Well, it's when anyone it's marketing propaganda. Absolutely Speaking of marketing propaganda. I wanted to have a look at this So these are some recent propaganda pieces that have been put out This guy's a huge fraud too in a weirdo. Um, he looks like a child stalker, too. Like a john pickwood Uh, this swavo guy savo. What the fuck his name is So this guy's a sketchy a sketchy weirdo and basically they've been putting out videos that are aping um For example my video the truth about donovan sharp, which was a massive Expose a documentary on donovan's three hours long. He hates it. He talks about it in his videos all the time There's a bunch of its videos now in the description. He actually I'll show it to you in a minute Where he actually cites the documentary and says don't believe it. Don't believe it. Don't believe it Which is great for me because it makes people search for it now They're curious, right? This rise in effect the jack murphy effect But anyway, these videos is a bunch of them now They get uploaded everywhere and their counter propaganda. Basically It's a sigh up to for people they're trying to SEO compete against my video about donovan So it's the truth about rollo tamasi and the truth about donovan sharp and all this fucking fake garbage Well, and and and what that tells you is is that tells you that there's somebody behind them That's pushing their propaganda. So for example a few years ago YouTube had this thing where they would take certain content creators and they would finance them And they would advertise like 50 content creators every year that they would finance And usually it was like, you know, social justice and things like that But I firmly believe that there are people in the manisphere That are being financed behind the scenes not just jack murphy, but others Um who were financed behind the scenes to create a level of propaganda to lead people away from the manisphere Or to create such drama that people aren't going to start seeing, you know Looking for facts and looking for strong masculine role models and things like that It's basically kind of like what happened with the migtau community over the last, you know, four or five years We're now no next to nobody Identifies as migtau because the infighting was so bad But most of that infighting or at least a good portion of it Was conducted by astroturf campaigns people from the outside masquerade isn't as migtau and infiltration from the outside So you see the same thing now happening across the general manisphere and like for instance fresh and fit Like one of those guys was uh, he was an employee of the department of homeland security, right? Yeah, you've got people like like rola tamasi who says he's a he's a foundation person of the red pill community But he's got backdoor relationships with with feminist reporters from places like the new york times So you have these people making these backdoor deals and they can't deal with it So the question that that obviously should be asked is why is it that donovan sharp can get banned off of youtube multiple times And now all of a sudden when you're reporting for ban evasion, nothing happens. Well, it's because he's been whitelisted It's because this is a propaganda piece and it's because they know that as long as donovan sharp exists The manisphere won't unite and and you know because people like donovan sharp rola tamasi fresh and fit and that particular inner circle They're going to detract from the manisphere and they're going to keep everybody divided But the second that men start coming together and start uniting all of a sudden you're going to see seismic shifts In masculinity, you know, it's it's sad because like I even saw an article about two or three weeks ago That the united states military was complaining that they couldn't get valid recruits for the military Because the guys that the young men who were actually going to apply for the military today They don't have strong masculine bone structures. They have weak bone structures so their skeletal structures aren't strong enough to serve in the united states army and You know low levels of testosterone you have these guys out there now that are in their 20s and 30s And they have testosterone levels at rival and 80 year old man So, you know, there's a huge huge crisis in masculinity that's happening right now And the only way to combat it is with, you know, common sense red pill treats You know go to the gym do resistance training eat red meat eat, you know Valid protein other than some man's cock those types of things right you have to be able to To absorb that knowledge and wisdom that's been passed around for the generations And and they're really making a full court effort to prevent that from happening with all these little They're they're basically trying to reframe these public service announcements. We're making they're trying to reframe them as internet beef So nobody pays attention Yeah, and they're not beefs like I really had number one donovan start of this crap with me and That's not irrelevant, but ultimately it's not why I did my documentary It's because the truth needed to be told and it needed to be exposed Him attacking me gave me a good window because I know he would personalize that anyway, right? So I try to stay ahead of it But yeah, it's about the issues. It's about him lying to his audience It's about him lying to the man's fear Donovan conovan has lied just like fresh and fit to millions of people millions of men in the man's sphere Right, not just on youtube, but in our community And no one calls the shit out and it's just pathetic to me and it needs to I think I'm an antifraud universally I hate Christian frauds like these women who want to be pastors and priests and preachers and shit I'm not a Christian, but it's aggravating to me and annoying and if I can help guys like Michael Foster and Jesse Lee Peterson and whatever And whoever else these Christians expose these frauds. That's good. I hate fraud frauds bad No matter if it's in the man's sphere or some other industry or whatever I just fucking hate it. I hate it philosophically too because we live in reality is my view, right? I live in reality. You live in reality Doesn't matter whether you doesn't matter whether you agree or not you do this to me is a fact of existence And frauds are anti-reality. They have to fake everything It's fake results and fake lies and fake women And you know donovan for example conovan lying about he's you know, as we showed in the example the intro video He's admitted to faking for his audience, you know faking them about his wife's age misleading his audience He created this fake illusion, but he dated this hot 10 stunner Who is younger than him by seven years or something in reality? She is a year older than him. It is a nasty old fat woman Oh one of the hottest girls ever turns out to look disgusting. Yeah, exactly and it's just fake But everyone hears that and they're like, wow, he's so cool Yeah, it which amazes me at the level There's a lack of skepticism that these guys have to say if someone makes a claim When I was someone makes a claim to me generally you need to prove that claim She'll have it into that claim. Otherwise, I'm going to dismiss it as easily as you presented it This to me is a pretty logical and reasonable way to live. These guys don't do that They hear donovan says I fuck tons tons tons tons Number one, he can't prove it number two He never has number three if you look at the the woman he married right private married or whatever She's a fat sweat hog. I mean literally the shit's disgusting. She's a two, right in america She's like a two or a three and worldwide. I would say he's saying hard nine Yeah, I mean, I think yeah, she's a hard nine, which is insane. I mean this to me This to me on a worldwide sexual marketplace scale is probably a one, right? Let's just call call it what it is It's a big nasty woman and he pretends Like she's surrendered control and submitted to me Even that's not true. Even that is all fake. She he jokes about her and his patreon You can go check it out to search blue ball how she blue balls them and controls him It controls the sex and controls the relationship Which even in donovan's own own pretend world view is pretend philosophy of red pill shit This is like very blue pill beta shit in the extreme over Obvious 100 blue pill beta shit. That's his life. That's what that's what you do is these guys are so hypocritical Yeah, where they where they say like, you know, don't get married. They get married Don't date girls that aren't hot. They date ugly girls or marry ugly girls And they're living a life that's totally Uh, it's what? There's a war pig, man Well, they're living a lie And honestly, you know, maybe the hard nine when he says it's a hard nine Maybe maybe he's speaking german. Maybe it's a hard no, you know No, it's a no it's a nine. No, she is a nine on a scale of one to a hundred as mctau dictionary said the scale One to a hundred. She's a nine. That's fine. I would agree with that But he's saying one to ten obviously he actually said she's a nine or better Which so yeah, it's just and this is I think what guys don't realize is one of the most effective ways to lie It's to not lie a little bit It's to lie a lot to exaggerate it when she's a one or two you exaggerate it to being almost a 10 Right. So the lie is so extravagant. These guys don't you can be telling himself that too? I mean, you think you actually He probably believes that To some degree like a he does think she's hot because he's retarded in the beta Like it's just a fucking loser a lot and these I've noticed this in the poa community Not just with donovan, but the the manuscript for the 15 years 16 years since I've been in it since 2005 Guys are always bumping their numbers, right? Yeah, if a girl is objectively a five he calls her a seven This was even in the 2008 or even he'll say she's an eight. It's like no dude. She's a fucking five Like and I think I think one of the reasons is my theory is that When a guy is like beta and can't get girls and just can't talk to them And whatever the case is the specifics of it are they have a ceiling of a 10 And the 10 is the hottest girl they could possibly get on the best day of their life With their their game and an absolute maximum So if that's a five for them or six is the ceiling Then every girl who's then a girl who's a four is now an eight. You know what I mean? So I think they said they said it's relative. They said a personal They also want to start cooler guys. Yeah, sure for sure. Yeah, and it's sick But yeah, I think it's the the extreme nature of the lies that makes it believable to these guys They just don't doubt it. He's like, oh, he said he bangs the 9s and 10s. He must bang 9s and 10s It's like no, he actually makes twos And let's be honest, right A lot of these guys are doing this because they need the external validation because you know, they lack self-esteem They lacks, you know, their their own identity, you know, as far as you know, they're not secure in who they are They're not secure in their own identity And so that's why you see this, you know Kind of peacocking in a little bit, you know, and again, I understand if you're like a dating coach or whatever And this is what you do for a living. You've got to share your numbers. I get all that But there's a lot of guys who are sharing numbers. They're nowhere in the realm of reality And they're just shitty with women. And you know, it's just This guy was banging 10s. Yeah, this guy right here. Yeah, I believe that Right. It's this big miss Piggy Yeah What a fucking mess man But I've the ddj you mentioned that the manisphere will unite as we get these frauds out or they implode or explode or get Well, here's what I think will happen. I mean, I think that because really the history of the manisphere Hang on, let me finish our conflict Let me finish my point real quick. Then I want to get into the manisphere conflict I want to make it known that my goal in the manisphere is to unite it And I've said this explicitly for a couple years now even in 2009 or 10 I bought a website called you can check this out There's a registrar of it. Unite the community.org This is a domain I owned and I was trying to unite the manisphere and the poa community Kind of like I do with 21 convention I bring these people together because no one else was fucking doing that and I thought this was important and useful And I was still young enough to believe these guys that they were good nature to a lot of them To own coke for example and Neil Strauss and whatever Uh, but I've been trying that for a long time and that's and people see me as divisive and high conflict And while I am high conflict, I'm I'm not afraid of it and I'm happy to dive into memes and exposés and whatever That to me is how you unite the unite the manisphere. You have to get these frauds out You have to expose them. You have to make fun of them with their whatever whatever mechanisms you have facts evidence memes fraud Uh, you know exposing the fraud lawsuits These things are repellent to frauds and that's how you unite the manisphere. That's the only way to do it This kumbaya get along You know, all it's all just fucking be okay with each other. That's sick to me and that's the opposite of uniting I don't want to unite with frauds. I hate these people. They're sick. They're pieces of shit. They're parasites and they're vampires And it's less than until they repent and own their fraud Uh explicitly and clearly and completely change course Then I'm not okay with them and they're never going to do that obviously 99 times out of 100 that'll never fucking happen. Yeah, I have a more cynical view. I I don't know if there's You know, I'd like to think like I like I said, I made like 115 videos about these different guys But at the end of the day Cognitive dissonance is too strong and too powerful. I so I have a little more cynical approach not for everyone But I think overall They're just growing in power fresh and fit has been exposed a million times even by big platforms. No one cares Well, the issue is is is that you also have to understand You know liars always lie and youtube is lying. So they're gonna they're gonna puff up the views They're gonna puff up the subscribers. They're gonna puff up the the comment sections, right? And they're gonna do that to make these people It's a wagged a dog type of exercise to make these people more popular than they are and the reality though is is that The audience the men who are looking for the red pill wisdom They all know, right? They're not watching these people. They're not they're not taking advice from a lot of these people Maybe they do like when they first see the manifest or they first understand it for what it is That's when you start seeing Oh, yeah, maybe these people are new commenters or whatever But the more that they get exposed and the more they start looking at different content creators The more they get exposed to more of the actual wisdom and stuff and they realize. Oh, okay You know These people aren't really healthy I'm going to go ahead and stop watching them and I'm going to go to somebody else or I'm going to start Taking elements of what they say that that you know is baseline truth And I'm going to apply it to this other content creators content and apply that to my life And then maybe I'm not going to watch videos for six months Because I'm already doing what I need to be doing to you know to be a better person for myself but I think as far as the Exposing people in the community. I agree with you I think that a lot of people are buying into it per se It at least in the beginning, but you can't red pill somebody who's not ready to be redpilled You can't you can't force somebody to say look this will help you right You it's like a hole you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink It's the same concept here people aren't necessarily ready for this Because they come from broken homes. They don't have any positive male role models Maybe they were physically or sexually or emotionally abused as a child And what happens is is that a lot of these content creators they don't actually take into into account Um the emotional toll that a lot of them in we're trying to help go through And so whenever you talk about you know the emotional elements all of a sudden unless it's rollo And he's trying to plagiarize somebody nobody's ever talking about that except for people like us But that said I think at the end of the day We're gonna see Number one we're gonna see these frauds go away as they fade. We'll see new ones come up And that's just that's just the nature of the beast But I also think that You the viewers especially the ones watching this video. They're far more sophisticated Then they used to be so for example, and you see this in the mainstream too So like in 2017, I remember conversations I was having in the migtau community that was considered Esoteric knowledge that even most of the manosphere really didn't talk about we fast forward to 2021 early 2022 And some of those concepts are being talked about by tucker carlson or they're being talked about by mainstream media personalities Now obviously they're not going into some big diatribe about how they you know They saw some dating coach say this or they saw some manister person say this But they know that the knowledge and the wisdom is there and it's permeated all aspects of society and So the the men who are following this stuff now are far more savvy And they're far more knowledgeable in general than say the guys in 2010 2012 and that era So that kind of gives me hope as far as where things are going to go But the reality is is that I think the most important thing we can do to help men Is to teach them to think critically Teach them to use their deductive reasoning and to prevent them from self isolating So when they do need the dating coach help and they they've objectively said okay I've gotten to a plateau they can go to somebody like john anthony or if they do need Some red pill reinforcement and they want to listen to multiple tribes of the manosphere Maybe and they want to go travel somewhere They can go to the 21 convention or if they want you know some legal help They can go to the legal people who can deal with it whether it be on facebook or wherever else it is And that leads me to my final point is is that while youtube is extremely relevant still today We all need to be embracing alt tech because there's a lot of really good voices on alt tech on gab on minds on bit shoot on odyssey on rumble who they're making content exclusive to those platforms And you know the message isn't you can get gotten out because everybody's afraid of these platforms So just be careful think for yourself and you know make the best decisions you can make But don't trust don't blindly trust somebody because at that point you're just going to become a red pill npc Yeah, I do want to comment. Uh, thanks for that expert or uh What did we call it? Uh monologue ddj appreciate it I want to comment on something that while you were commenting on in here too But john anthony brought up a minute ago the cynicism I don't blame you for being cynical about it because the situation is dire and it's fucked up And it has been fucked up for a long time And the longer you've been in the man is fear the easier it is to be cynical. I mean you've been in it for a long time like me um alan roger curry is another guy I like a lot a I guess you'd call him a dating coach per se or a seduction coach whatever He's been in it since the 90s and he's seen it too and it's really He's seen a fucking sick and retarded it is And it's really hard to make it better even with the 115 expose videos I have dozens of my channel probably over 50 at this point as well I don't even know how many like the one we showed at the beginning of the show That was a cut-up of a couple different expose videos. I have my documentaries I've put out I've shared a lot of your doc expose videos john happy to do so But it's definitely not to a battle What I will say though is that in any demand of life the truth spreads slowly and lies spread fast So and that thing Winston Churchill had a famous quote That's where that was where the concept was introduced to me from a famous old quote of his From back in the 30s or whatever it was But I think that holds true Universely as and throughout today as well and throughout the mana sphere in particular with the situation This ongoing fraud situation that these guys lie It spreads fast they get exposed and it takes a long fucking time for that truth to to reach to reach out And in the meantime, we'll keep growing usually and get more fans and this and that and it's tough It's really tough to to fight against that But there's some things that work in our favor a lot of these guys tend to implode They blow themselves up a lot of our exposing with donovan, for example Was this through his own words that we were able to find and put together into compelling narratives on these videos And they caused massive damage like my documentary to his business And i'm happy that they do this by exposing facts and evidence about his lies that he's told The fact that video I showed a minute ago on his channel with You know his channel and another channel came out on let's see I'm gonna pull up again real quick This one the fact that they're still putting these out now He's fighting this is probably rollo is probably behind this to put in donovan as well They work together behind the scenes to put out this propaganda This false propaganda try to compete with sco for losing of course my shit's still way better on youtube than theirs But the fact that they're even doing this a year later after my documentary about donovan Means that donovan is still bleeding cash And if you look at his patreon numbers, I think it shows that and he's constantly buying subscribers and shit on youtube and shit I mean it's his channel and his reputation are falling apart It just took a long fucking time Not not a month not six months. It takes like a year and he just keeps going and going and going It's like the truth is like poison to these people basically and the more you can put it out the better Now fresh and fit are a bigger animal and they're going to take a lot more poison a lot more facts and evidence to take down Even with these big channels that hasn't been enough yet But I have some ideas. It's definitely not impossible to take them down with facts and evidence And they might just they might just implode as well. They might just get kicked off youtube even with fed connections I'm of the opinion of hitting them legally to be honest. A lot of these guys are doing fraud They're doing deceptive business practices. They're doing a course of predatory lending Yep, uh, you know it goes on and on and on a lot of these guys are evading taxes You know whether whether there's smoke there's fire Yep, I know a lot of stuff behind, you know, even look at fresh and fit the way you just mentioned They have they've gone on record saying they're going to remove people's instagrams They've gone on record saying they're abusing the youtube copyright system They're breaking laws and they're violating the rules of these platforms explicitly and definitively I I agree. I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, um, it's a lot of conversations anthony of I and I have had behind the scenes I've actually called out a lot of these red pill life coaches and said look They're providing counseling services to people who are suffering from depression. They're suffering from actual mental health issues And they're doing so without a license and it's a crime and it's just like, you know providing legal advice Um, without being an attorney, you know, you can go to jail for that. You can get a practice thing medicine Be pretending to be a doctor. You can go to jail for that shit. Exactly. Exactly How do we uh, how do you guys see about kevin samuels? I've publicly called him the simp father Um, I think he is he recently and simped out sold out to was a nikimanage or whatever Or one of those someone told me that he that his whole philosophy is that like it's just money and nothing else Money is going to determine if you get the girls. Is that is that accurate? I don't I don't know to be honest Well, kevin samuels his audience isn't men his audience is women. Okay. That's number one and number two He's trying to be the black dr. Phil Yes, that's that's the only thing that's he's that's what he's trying to do. He's his audience is women. It's a drama channel Um, you know, it's it's a lot of it's a lot of feminist or feminine arguments. It's emotional arguments, right? It's an appeal to emotions and he does that because he's trying to be the female shock jock just like a dr. Phil type Yep I've seen people call him the Oprah Winfrey of the of the man's for two or something like that But I think he's a simp father. I don't think everything he says is wrong or bad people misconstrued this I don't even really know if he's a fraud. I've and I haven't called him a fraud yet I haven't seen like hard evidence of that like you'd see in a a child stalker Like jonathan pigwood or a condom and chart or a fraud father or fake and fraud I mean, there's a lot of them But he definitely simped out and sold out when he got big and that to me is telling of his character That's why I called him this people think it's like I hate him or something and I don't hate him I don't know him. I've never talked to him. I've never seen anything too egregious with what he's what he's selling He's not selling like fraudulent courses or anything like that. I think he does want to be a dr. Phil I think that's accurate Whatever I don't I don't have a particular hatred of that But it's that when he when he was confronted with a woman a celebrity woman And in a big moment he simped out and he sold out and he chickened out And his own fans have confirmed that in our comments a lot of people really disappointed When he talked to I think it was Nicki Minaj or whoever And that to me it's telling of who he is that he got scared and he sold out And he didn't he didn't stick to his guns and what he normally says on a show Going after women who are disgusting hose and shit and you know brainwashing young woman He chickened out and that to me it's that's bad. I don't I don't know if that makes you a fraud It's makes you a pussy Yeah, someone sent me a good summary of him recently. They said he's a two-time divorcee Um, he says money is the only real value Whereas games swagger masculinity good bedroom skills social skills. Those are all counterfeit currency And then this dude showed me evidence that Kevin Samuels was only making like 11 grand a year In his 30s. He showed me like these documents But yeah, but yeah, he's he said on the fresh and fit podcast He's dating a lot of women and he's taking care of them And he said that a lot of people are saying he's paying sugar babies Um, but yeah, I mean this whole thing that that money is the only Value you have to a woman that's bullshit Yeah Yeah, it's just more I mean so many These frauds are a good example of it. I'm not even saying Kevin Samuels again is the fraud necessarily he could be Maybe we'll see some evidence of that But they just the fresh the fake and fraud crowd too. Even their simp fans are like this They're obsessed with money money money bling bling dog Like it's a really low IQ materialistic shit and they have no higher values or goals or Yeah, it's the same thing like the image rappers put out and stuff like that Those guys are always trying to like flaunt You know just different stuff But it was funny because in the beginning like the fake press releases they bought They were just posing next to cars and planes that weren't theirs wearing a CEO necklace They still are it's success porn. Yeah, it's success porn. Yeah Yeah, it's just it's so pathetic to me like there's you're gonna die someday It could be tomorrow could be today could be 10 years from now Who the fuck knows and I don't have a problem with people making a lot of money Right, whatever you're gonna do Make this thing this service this product this widget whatever the fuck build a business Have a career be a coach Paralegal lawyer, whatever the fuck good for you man be a millionaire be a fucking billionaire for all I care But if you're just gonna worship money and that's the only thing you care about life, you're pathetic Like you're gonna die someday and the minute before you die You're gonna realize you wasted your fucking life on bling bling money money dog Like this shit is it's really really pathetic And I think yeah, I think they're abusing it the rappers and stuff promote it in the black community and they're That's why I think I don't think they target black men intentionally young black men, but I think they do because they're black Well, I think maybe because they're black they do it automatically So the one of the worst kept secrets in the african-american community So I used to read a a website called rap rehab.com And I know the guy that runs it and we we talked behind the scenes a lot And one of the things he told me and this is something that kind of I was able to independently confirm Was that a lot of the music industries that promote the gangster rap Those same executives Are the major stockholders in the private prison system So they're they're basically promoting this this idea of gangster rap These guys commit the crimes and then they go to the private prisons And so they're making money off the rap and they're making money off the full prisons And that's one of the reasons why you see somebody like for instance, um, bill cosby got targeted so badly Because you know bill cosby he had money he had women throw themselves at him He had he liked his party drugs and so all these people came out of the woodwork to go after him But they only went after him because bill cosby started speaking about positive masculinity in the black community personal responsibility So there's a huge issue that's going on here where these people are being psi-opt in these behaviors on a massive scale and You know positive male role models are a huge thing and now that that the economy is imploding People are starting to realize that those answers that they got are the wrong answers And I think that's why we're going to see a huge influx of men Joining the red pill community looking for the answers. They're not getting from the mainstream Yeah, and I think it's important to clean up our community as best as possible It's not going to be perfect There's no way it's ever going to be perfect and never has but to clean it up as best as possible as it continues to hit mainstream news Like I did with make woman great again hit all the new stuff back in 2020 rip for kovat Um kevin saying mills has hit a lot of uh, you know, a lot of new stuff the celebrities and shit He's you know talk to you know, whatever all these rappers and shit I don't I don't like these these fucking gangster rappers and she gives a fuck but It's the manager keeps hitting different news things and different news cycles, right? Uh jack murphy than being a huge cock hit all some news articles and stuff And then this is going to keep happening over time as the years go by And sometimes it's going to be for the worst, you know, I think john anthony or ddj earlier in the show was talking about Uh, you know these guys could be My opinion too. I'll just own it own it personally as a personal opinion I think the fraud father rolery tamasi could easily inspire a mass shooter I think he kind of wants to in his own psychopathic sociopathic way to get book sales Because he knows that some kid shoots up a school or yoga studio or whatever the fuck And the rational male shithole male is sitting in his fucking backpack That's going to sell books for rollo and rollo. Is that fucked up in the head? Is that much of a pathological piece of shit personality? He would love that I believe that firmly a lot of the speakers I talked to behind the scenes. They also believe that And I think it's very likely that at some point he will inspire that this guy is that sick in the head He's that twisted and that fucked up. He's not just a commercial operator. Rolla has a god complex and a messiah complex Deep in his personality and that's why he has this little religion this little church around him a bit pergamy These little these guys are like enforcers basically the the jonathan pigwood the conovan richard cooper. They're enforcers for This hegemoni. I think you would call it of the rollo pill in that toxic little wing of the manisphere That hived off from the larger red pill community in like 2017 2018 It's uh, it's sick and they're going to get someone killed and rollo is going to he'll do all the necessary stuff in public Oh, I disowned this. I can't believe this guy shot this school up. Oh my god. It's a tragedy But behind the scenes he'll be he'll be rubbing his hands together like a sick Fuck because he's going to sell more books and make more money and all this shit It's really there's already all kinds of problems that it was great. People email me Um, oh, yeah, my friend like hit his girl because he was so like jaded from the red pill stuff Wow, there was that school shooting in england by a guy who was pointing himself as professor waffles And you know, it's not for sure, but he was a big wheat waffle supporter who's a current Black pill voice I made a video on wheat waffle showing this is like a 19 year old in england that's delivering pizzas And rating everyone's face making them not give up all hope and and hate their lives and hate themselves And what's crazy is the guy that that shot people in the uk and then killed himself Um, he was saying that he didn't even care about his looks before any of these topics until he came across them And all the forums and watching the videos and stuff like that And then it just sends them down this incredibly negative rabbit hole And you know, there's all kinds of stuff that's not getting reported because this content goes goes out You know in mass these videos get shit tons of views And guys don't know any better And so now they all you know now they're hating their lives or they're hating You know the fact that they don't look like a model or they're hating women in general And that manifests in all kinds of horrible ways across all of society So that's why you know this problem is is much further reaching than just to manage for these these guys are Well, what it is is that you have damaged men Trying to teach damaged men and really what you're doing is is that all you're doing when you're damaged and you don't really have any kind of sense of Any sense of self or you don't know who you are as far as your own personal identity is concerned What ends up happening is is you're just teaching these men to circle the drain And that's why you're seeing all these people Lashing out and going, you know, the red pill has hurt me and and all these different things because they're only following the content creators That are driving them further into despair And I want to talk for a moment here about more specifics. I'll be promising the show and we've done I think a really good job of that so far. I want to get both your takes ddj and john while john go first Uh, what are your thoughts on uh, richard pooper, uh here I'm gonna pull up some videos on him as well from you. Yeah, I mean I made a couple videos about him one that I aptly titled the butt plugged beta since he made the book the unplugged alpha Um, from what I've heard he came into his wealth through his brother Who was running a lot of the business stuff? Um, I attacked him. Yeah, and these two videos up here He was trying to say that I look like a fat can of smashed assholes even though I have visible abs But you know, a lot of these points they make are just ad hominem and not even based in reality Like rollo calls me the fat kid in brazil like again, I have like I have like visible abs like Even j vinson was like dude. You have like 13% body fighters on that. Um, you know, but Basically once I attacked richard, he made this video and that's what I covered that too richard cooper quits He was saying, uh, you know, he's never been like attacked publicly before and he can't handle it He wants to like quit the manosphere and he even made the statement on record in that video is he said, um That he thinks the the red pill is worse than blue pill which is funny because he's been pushing red pill stuff but yeah, I mean, he's just um, I think he's like just a classic hypocrite because He's a single mom single mom expert, right? Yeah, he says in his book that he just got, you know, walked on by single mom after single mom and grow You know hitting the wall this and that he's only shown like one video with a girl ever and the girl was clearly like The fuck are you doing kind of thing? But yeah, I mean he's he made that money just because his brother's Efforts in in some business endeavors and he like piggybacked on it. It wasn't his own You know his own stuff, but he's one of those guys It just thinks he's cool because he bought an expensive car and that kind of stuff But he's you know, he has no game or anything like that. He doesn't know what the fuck he's doing in regards He's a huge loser with woman. Yeah, I've seen him in action. I have some pictures that are pretty damning actually Um, I don't know if I can share them. I don't know about the legality of that, but I probably wouldn't The pictures are ahead the pictures are in my head. I'll tell you that at minimum Well The the issue that I the issue that I have with rich cooper Is that he's charging like thousands of dollars for people to be a life coach? Okay, it's three thousand dollars an hour now Is recently up to three thousand so two thousand right that that right there is is absolutely a scam Because you can go to a phd forensic psychologist You know from one of the top schools in the country and pay 250 an hour And get better assistance if you need it then from somebody like rich cooper and you know the other issue with rich cooper is that he He's a meme. He's he's a marketing product He's the type of guy that you know, because he's a bigger guy. He's got a little bit of arms He's got the bald head and he's got the beard to hide the weak chin Well, he takes his testosterone too just saying to make that clear Well, yeah, but I but I guess what I'm saying is is that he He's the type of guy that that can't handle conflict very well. Is he a transsexual? I know you've talked about that Yeah, yeah, I called him needle rich cooper And I it's a transsexual memes that I was like found rich Yeah, he can't he can't handle conflict like, you know, I was like one I think I was maybe the first person they called him out like pretty verbosely And he he went on and was like, you know, I don't I don't want to be in the monastery anymore, but he's still here Well, that's that's a marketing technique, right? He did that. Oh, yeah So he already Tyler's been quitting for 10 years. Yeah, he did that. I mean he did that to the migtau community He's like migtau sucks migtauer cowards blah blah blah and then five videos later He's making six videos using actual migtau philosophy, right? But he's branding it as his own private red pill wisdom and he's doing that with the manosphere now He's gonna I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna quit by felicia I'm gonna quit and then he's gonna go and he's gonna plagiarize other people's content and he's gonna pretend it its own It's just that's the that's the role of tamasi technique. Yeah Yeah, yeah, he's uh, I think cooper is definitely a fraud But he's in my opinion. He's a minor fraud given the extreme nature of people that are even more aggressive Now I don't want to downplay the $3,000 an hour being a massive scam. I wouldn't pay him $3 an hour for advice Uh ripping these guys off being a single mom expert pretending to be this red pill alpha male He is the buttplug beta. He's very beta with women. There's no pictures anywhere of him with hot women You'll never see any pictures of him with that's yeah to that point really quick That's true for like almost everyone that claims to expert women I remember andrew tate was like He's like what I find odd is these men claiming to be dating coaches And they're not even one single picture And then I show thousands like I have thousands even in hookup situations hundreds of hours in the hidden camera infield And then what the red pill guys will come and say is oh, that's all fake Those guys have zero proof. I have endless proof and then they'll say all my real This is this is their proof beluga whales beluga whale I mean look at this this retard So is married to this so when I was so when I was in my 20s. I knew I knew military guys And um because I lived in washington state some of those guys were in the navy And what they would do is you'd get about six or seven of these guys they'd get off the boat They'd come in and some of the guys in the army would do this too. They had this thing called hogging Basically what they would do is they'd all go get drunk and they'd see who could come back with the biggest pair of underwear And it's funny and it's funny right and it's and it's funny because That's what a lot of these want to be dating coaches are they're just going hogging. That's all they're doing. They're going hogging He loves hogging. I mean here's him in action. We got him on the honeymoon. We got him at the wedding Working on a meme now actually where he um the pig is on the wall like he's a hunter You know what I mean like a Elmer kind of futter or whatever you call it Yeah, he's a big hogger. He loves he loves that bacon extra thick and extra a she likes it big and nasty, man And if he was open about like a big and nasty woman, that wouldn't be as mean but When you lie and say to their tens, I mean Like like having accomplished a lot in the game for real and being able to show it all I take a fence when all these guys claim to be experts too like anyone would in any field You should yeah, yeah, like any real expert in the field when someone comes in and is like I'm an expert just like you and they have nothing to back that up like imagine it's crazy though because in this space Since it's unregulated and you don't need to really show much most people don't require that as a as a burden of proof on the creator It's like someone just claiming to be like the best UFC fighter and there's no record of ever fighting Yep, right or just a few fights without their ass kicked I want to ask both of you questions specifically about uh, donovan conovan here conovan shart So, you know jack murphy is an exposed cuckold. Obviously, and that's where this meme was inspired by mostly Now at the beginning of the show today I showed you guys the five minute intro where donovan conovan was bragging about his wife or girlfriend or whatever his partner His life partner, right? Getting banged by all these dudes. She's slept with a lot of guys There's other videos where he talks about her being a rampant cheater. She's cheated on a lot of guys She's fucked huge dicks huge dicks big old dicks So do you view conovan as a cuck as well as a fraud or no? I think that he's he's got oneitis and I think that he's you can tell I mean any guy who has oneitis is so insecure that They can't they're not like like the law does not allow them to say they have game, right? That's how bad it is And so he's got oneitis so bad for this woman that He I mean you can't even say that he's looking at her through rose colored glasses Like he's having a delusion And and and don't get me wrong like I understand that there are guys out there and they've got a woman They've been with for 20 years and she looks like that, you know, but when they got together with her She wasn't like that, you know Initially, right, but this is how he's finding them like I said he's going hogging and But is he a cuck because she bangs so many he brags about I think I think I think he's in the neighborhood of cuckoldry I mean legitimate cuckoldry. I think in the neighborhood in the neighborhood at the very least now Whether or not they've done anything behind the scenes. I don't know but I but I'll tell you what I'm not going to be surprised if it comes out that she pegs him at one point Okay Your take you think he's you think he's in the neighborhood of cuckolding um So, okay, I mean I think like he has as much cognitive distance About his own girl as all the followers do about his shit being true Okay, I know it's I mean You know He has these guys what I what I've realized like look at rsc tyler He borrowed that directly from fight club because he's the spineless Fucking edward noran and he wants to portray himself as tyler durden. He literally copied that name tyler durden It's a bad man persona. Where did rolo tamasi's name came come from it's it's a he's that's like a tip of the hat It was like a huge fraud scammer that he took that name from it's a villain actually a murderous villain Firmly confidential. Yeah, yeah, it's a you're right. It's like a persona. They put on this badass villain or something. Yeah, yeah But you know if you're donovan, right? And you're and you're acting like the man all the time on camera You're gonna think you're the man, right? But when you measure up the objective facts about what his girlfriend looks like He's not gonna go say oh, yeah, my chick's busted He's gonna keep it, you know congruent that he's the man So she's a hard nine all this stuff and then he doesn't like that you show the real facts Oh, wait. No, she's not right. Just like owen R.c. Tyler they used to try to copyright strike my videos when I would show like look here's the truth about this stuff They usually You know try to just censor you in whatever way they can so that people don't know the real facts Well, it's not to that story falls apart It's not that she's as big and fat and all that stuff It's that she's really old Which in mana sphere terms in donovan's own in donovan's own words for years He's done, you know, how many hundreds of podcasts and blog posts about this shit, right? Same with rollo who would whose donovan's little daddy, right? This woman is old and nasty And if donovan was even older then I wouldn't really say anything He's not but he's not 55 years old or 60 or 65 Donovan is younger than her and she's older than him on top of being fat and nasty Rollo's chicks is rose chick older than him too. Yeah by about a year. It's the same thing with donovan. Yeah Yeah, but if they both married Do rollo married a post-walled woman that he bitches about on his blog and his podcast all day Exactly like donovan has also married a post-walled woman. At least rollo's never lied about it He lies by omission in my opinion kind of he tries to hide it But if you press him on this issue if he was on the news or something I don't think he would deny that she's older than him and that he married her when she was past the wall of 30 That's his own definition of the wall, right? At least the first wall got the 40 wall as well Donovan's wife is double post wall. I call her she's past the 30 and the 40 wall I think she's menopausal. She's about to be 46 years old I mean this woman is is a heffa lump is an elephant a war pig And to call I mean he's supposed to be this red pill alpha male That's his presentation of himself like you guys are talking about especially you John with this But his his girl is old like that. Fuck how she looks she's fucking old And that is the opposite of young and hot and fertile and eggs and whatever the fuck, right? Like my girlfriend's not old and fat and nasty And if I I would never date a girl who's old and fat and nasty I would never fuck a girl who's old and fat and nasty In fact, I've been thinking lately that we need to do an update to the whole Manisphere as a community that if you fuck a girl who's old and fat or at least under a five Right below the median hotness your leg count should go down I won not stay the same Not go up. It should go down It that doesn't it's negative. It's a negative what fascinates me like I made a video called the ugly wives and girlfriends of dating coaches And that's got like almost 100,000 views now. Everyone, you know, some people thought it was distasteful But I showed their girlfriends and wives and that's the end product Of their you know, quote unquote skills and in a lot of these girls are objectively below average and that's not misogynistic It's not, you know being an asshole Like we have circuitry to gauge if a woman is hot or not In the physically and these girls are objectively below average and they're claiming to be world-class gurus And this was the the final girl. They they ended up that that's important too because if they were just some random loser Working at a gas station. I wouldn't really care. It's like I mean Yeah, this is just a girl. He had a one-night stand with Well, well the fraud though the fraud they don't deserve a random job. It's supposed to be world-class gurus Right. Well, let me let me kind of let me kind of address this too for the guys that are watching here, you know Nobody's saying that the here's the thing like obviously you want to get the hottest girl you can But you know, if you're in the desert, you know, if that's a four, that's okay Right, right, but but if you but if you're in the desert sometimes you got to drink some dirty water until you get back to civilization, right? But but you're not gonna but you're not gonna brag about the dirty water you drank while you were You had to do yeah, you're not gonna marry it You're gonna find you're basically gonna say I had to do it to survive. I was gonna die a thirst, right? So I drank the dirty water and then you went back there, right? It's a So but if you're a dating coach that doesn't apply Yeah, right. Yeah I like the analogy of if a guy say you were to make money Online conference or just to make money conference and a guy went up and said, here's my bank account. There's three dollars in it No, I don't have any savings or whatever and I'm living on the streets Okay, now let me tell you guys how to make a lot of money and then like come follow me on youtube That's essentially what's going on here Except this is a little secret that these guys don't have game and that these guys can't get chicks Like just not showing proof that doesn't make them look bad, but no one cares about that I guess so they just trust them about all their claims and stories Right, so it goes back to why do most coaches not have any pictures with girls? Why do most coaches have zero proof and then and then when you dig behind the scenes? Oh, here's you know, here's what they're marrying. They claim they bang 9s and 10s all day But they're marrying below average girls. That's the best they could do And then everyone will come to their defense and say well that girl must have a perfect personality Looks isn't everything or an even better one All hot girls aren't worth getting in relationships with their marriage coming from guys that have no experience dating hot girls But just have been indoctrinated by red pill nonsense that all hot girls are terrible people Yeah, there's there's a lot of like really dark propaganda. They put out man Like it's michael foster. Actually the pastor was talking about this on tony bruno's show By a week ago pat stedman. I put out a tweet about it from his newsletter last night But basically these black pill guys some of them anyway, and the red pill retards and the rollo pill retards whatever uh, they have this really negative worldview that They basically don't want to hear the truth they get triggered they pretend to be for the truth And maybe in some ways they want to be for the truth But when michael foster tells them hey, man, some people are in happy healthy marriages and they fuck all the time and the wives are hot Uh, these guys like they just they can't fucking believe it like not Yeah, that bothers them because they can never have something like that because they're broken and they don't want to heal Yeah, they don't have to yeah, they are they they want that they could have that in theory Well, it's it's physically it's possible to do this and some people do it Even well in your landscape and let's and let's be honest right a lot of these guys in the red pill community here hold themselves out Using success porn whether they're a red pill guy or a p u a coach or whatever, right? These are guys who have no job skills outside of making videos, right? They don't have any like you said It's theoretical. They're regurgitating somebody else's knowledge and somebody else's experience They don't have that for themselves So they're not successful in life when they turn the video camera off and they quit recording They're not successful in life and because they've never been successful in life They don't know what that looks like and that translates into their game If they decide that they're going to talk to a woman because I'll tell you what like I'm not the most attractive dude, but I have no fear of talking to women at all And you know, I can sleep if I was gay, I'd fuck you I'm gonna stay away from you from now. I was going to come out there over the summer But I'm gonna stay away from you So I don't want to wake up with my ass hurting. Anyway, um But yeah, I mean, it's just but my point is is that if you're successful in life and you're self-confident In life and you've got that life experience You know that that comes across in your videos that comes across in the content you know And it comes across in your results That's yeah, that's kind of the silver lining in all this is like I I constantly get the feedback when guys watch my stuff They're like you seem different than the other content creators. You seem like you actually have done all this stuff You seem like you actually know what you're talking about And then and then like surprise surprise. I also have like endless mountains of proof for it But since I take all these guys on that's why I had to sue modern life dating Is they retort with low below stuff. They retort with slander. They retort with Making fake reddit posts and fake screenshots, you know and all this stuff And that and then you're fighting like an unfair fight because they're playing dirty And they're just trying to like bury your reputation and discredit you so that your criticisms of their scammy businesses Don't have any you know backing behind them anymore But if they can just reduce you to oh everything's fake, you know, that's what they that's what happened me last year That they're making fake reddit posts that we found out there was paid campaigns paid SEO paid traffic campaigns To spread lies how all my results are fake all the girls are hookers You know my girlfriend's a hooker on and on and on and hogwood took it to the extreme thinking he was untouchable and at the same time I was getting Threats over email that said we're going to send someone to your house if you don't delete them on my dating videos Well, it's because Pigwood is a deranged little kid and I know he's like 35 or something But he's like a retarded he reminds me of like some retard like 12 year old kid He was like hyper aggressive and like he's just he's really fucked up It's like his mother molested him when he was a kid and he stopped growing at that age or something like that That to me seems plausible for why his personality is so fucked up He's even more fucked up than rollo, which is saying a lot in my opinion Who I think he's him and i wonder probably the most fucked up guys in the manisphere I've I've actually read studies about children of child abuse And what they all say you hit the nail on the head there What they all say is is that the children stopped psychologically developing at the age in which they were abused And so you'll see like 30 year old women with like disney Uh clothing right or you or or you know what i'm saying they have super childlike behavior You're like, okay She was probably molested when she was eight or you see these guys that run around and they're 45 50 years old And they're acting like mr. Tough guy and you're like, okay That guy was probably molested when he was 12 or 14 years old, right? That's that's donovan and that's rollo I think too What I think he's showing I think it's that's his bob has bitch tits moment. Yeah He has he has boobs. He sells fitness advice. He sells fitness advice He promotes fitness stuff and he's a fat fuck like basically Yeah, it's sick And here's the thing too like i'm not trying to diminish anybody who's been You know a be-user assaulted as a child We can't control that but the thing is is that if you're going to perpetuate that cycle and you're not going to You know break that unhealthy psychological cycle. That's a problem But I'll tell you this right now if you're going to break the cycle You're not going to go to a a masculine presenting life coach. You're going to go to an actual therapist So, you know, if you've got those issues and you're somebody out there that has those issues Go seek the professional help. Don't jerk around with some mana sphere fraud who's going to sell you telephone coaching yep All right guys, it's been over two hours. I think it's time to wrap up the show episode 162 of the red man group I appreciate both of you being on the show today helping expose some of the more specific details of these frauds Of mana sphere fraud in general how it kind of works and operates I hope you guys watching and learned something from the show Please hit like subscribe leave a regular comment helps the video go viral Share it on twitter facebook gab minds whatever help your friends be aware of the show Make sure you visit missandrytoday.com to learn more about ddj And you can learn more about john anthony on youtube at john anthony lifestyles Or his website as you can see his platinum dating systems.com Gentlemen any last words on mana sphere fraud and where you want to see the community go? um Yeah, I'll go first. So I mean we're we're this here. So I have like a new marketing partner That's a pretty big timer. And so, you know, he's always talked about like the truth will set people free and all this stuff Um, so as we scale up efforts and reach more people Um, you know, there's nothing can can beat the real thing right most guys that start training on my stuff Get very good very fast. And that's that's just going to keep snowballing and snowballing And at the same time I'm trying to take on all the all the guys that are full of shit But like I made the point earlier, I think that you know The cognitive dissonance shield is is so strong and it's hard to penetrate and and I think that um, these guys just need to be attacked at the source legally class action lawsuits Criminal charges for the guy there's all kinds of stuff I know that's criminal laws being broken by a lot of these guys Behind the scenes and no one holds them accountable Yeah, right and it's not like I want, you know single-handed they want to go and Put each each guy in jail that's breaking laws, but You know, it seems like not many people care, right? Yeah, because most of the industry is is full of shit anyways to some level And it seems and like I said, it's the same in every industry Like we got jay vinson he he has like a Fully backed fitness system and I said how many uh on our youtube interview I said how many other creators would you recommend? He's like just a couple and he's like one guy only has like two k subs And at that time j only had like three or four k subs, right? So if you're going for fitness advice, how what's the odds you're going to find a guy like j or the other channel that he recommends Right, I had I had two k subs three years ago. That's that's the problem It's kind of like a diamond in the rough And you can't necessarily blame these guys because they just google for help And they land on some channel and they see a big amount of subs or views and then they think okay This guy must be a real expert Well, I think part of the problem is the average person the average man They kind of want the truth and they kind of don't what they want Usually more importantly is to their own pre-existing beliefs to be reinforced And that's what these frauds give them, right? They might they might not have an articulate belief But they're angry about women or this and that and there might be some justification to that But also some of it's going to be not it's it going to be them just being emotionally bitchy It gives them an ideology Yeah to to perpetuate this and to make them feel like they're they're right and feel like their own beliefs And people want to belong to something, you know Well, and and and I think to kind of add onto that too. It not only gives them an ideology It gives them a theology because they're afraid to walk into a church or they're afraid to to really, you know Explore that and I'm not saying that everybody needs to necessarily go to church or not go to church But I think that you know, if if if you're feeling hopeless. It's it's a good option But as far as where I think where I see things are going people are waking up the normie sphere is really waking up You know the red pill has gone mainstream And I think what's going to happen is as it becomes more mainstream and as people start seeing this and you see this Huge resurgence. I think yeah, there's going to be a lot more conflict coming But I think once it shakes itself out I think that the mana sphere is going to be a healthier place And you're going to see a lot of guys incorporate these things into their into their life and I agree um in that With john in that if you do the right thing by people The money takes care of itself And that's always been my experience throughout my life, you know, and I'm I'm going to be 52 this year so If you take care if you if you take care of men the best way you can and you take care of your community the best way you can The money solves itself and those people who are so desperate for money that they're charging $3,000 for life coaching or they're selling a bunch of products At the back end of their multi-level marketing seminar 70 of them or 70 of them. Yeah, and they're selling all those things Those people are desperate and they're not there to help you. They're there to separate you from your money Regardless of this shit that comes out of their mouth They're vampires. They're vampires. Yeah, so with that said, you know, be aware of it. Think for yourself Learn critical thinking learn deductive reasoning and you know, call people out And if and if you disagree with somebody in this video, call us out too. It's fine. We're men. We can handle it Yeah, yeah I went on alex and playing fires channel a couple times and just let literally random callers Attack me and cross-examine me. Basically interrogating me on live It was supposed to be a debate But most a lot of these guys came on like just trying to like air feminist slander narratives or air Manosphere slander narratives about me, but I you know, I kept my composure And retorted to everything and reinforced my positions and all this stuff And I think everyone should be subject to that most of these guys like rollo always shies away from debates alex has been trying forever Yeah, he accuses alex of working for me like he's an employee of me. You too probably like he thinks you guys work for me and That that's not the case. You don't work for me. Do your own fucking thing. He can't fathom that he has legitimate Uh criticism people who want to expose him for being a fraud independent of me He knows The funny thing is is these guys know deep down that they're full of shit. Oh, yeah for sure. 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