 The issue at hand is what we are investigating right now, which is the aircraft and the issues that we see at the airport and the couple of foreign nationals that we are right now holding for investigations. Ladies and gentlemen of the press, I want to mention that as law enforcement family, we are investigating that matter together in unity and we are making serious headway so far. But I want to mention that we will not carry out these investigations in the press. We respect your right to getting information from us, but we will not carry out these investigations in the press. For a simple reason, whenever a person is arrested, the aim is to finally make them receive justice, meaning they must be given the chance to defend themselves, to be heard in a court of law, which would be an open place for everyone to attend. Therefore, when we are investigating, we are preparing for court. It's not everything that we are going to say to the press of the members of the public that we shall not give to the members of the public, that which we think is going to help us in the courts. Because it's in the court where that person may just defend themselves. The case at hand, ladies and gentlemen, I'm assuming that we all know it. The case at hand, ladies and gentlemen, has been thoroughly dissected and the direction is now very, very clear. We know where we are heading to as law enforcement. I want to assure you that we know where we are heading to in this case now and we are decided. Perhaps let us smoke out of the back. This has been a clear case of scamming. A clear case of scamming, gold scamming. We have gold scammers around here in our country and this is where they are manifesting their trade. They apply their trade in public and we have managed to at least find a way of cornering. So this is a clear case of scamming. Coincidentally, what has been coming out in the social media and everywhere where people are speculating, pointing fingers at people, saying all sorts of things. We are now giving you the official position. This is a case of scamming and we are investigating very soon. You see court cases starting. Having said this, ladies and gentlemen, I want to mention that as you seek information, let there be disses in that process. Let there be disses in that process. We shall not withhold information which we think, which we believe you need to know. There is information which we have which you don't need to know and we won't give it to you ladies and gentlemen because you don't need to know it. You don't need to have it. So let there be disses as you look for information from us. Do not arm-twist us. Allow us to work professionally. Trust us. Whatever we do is well thought out. It's in the interest of the nation. We hate, I'm sure it must have been yesterday, when even some videos were flying around showing that the aircraft that we seized the other day has slowed down. That is a very, very unfair way of dealing with each other as a nation. How can an aircraft for which the pilot is in detention in the police station, somebody is telling me that the aircraft has gone DG and I go to the police station where the pilot is and I find him seated in the cell. Who flew that aircraft out? Then they have in pictures that are tuned around to show that this is what has happened. Let us have some bit of disses in everything that we do. Members of the public, through you, please, can we be disses? Let us not be misled. Some people will be doing disses just to mislead you. That aircraft is intact, just like our honorable minister mentioned this morning. It's intact. It is evidentiary material, it's not going anywhere. They call to move to that aircraft when the time comes. The other small aircraft is also intact. As we cut out investigations, we are able to determine which material we are taking to court and what we are not taking to court. We must realize one thing, even the people that are arrested have constitutional rights. So we can't just be coming out, ladies and gentlemen, and start mentioning names of people even though we are not going to die with our investigations. It's not right. It's supposed to be when it turns out that they are innocent. It will be like what's scandalized them, who have deadified their names and things like this. They are not going to die. We are very, very careful. In our processes, ladies and gentlemen, we sometimes think people that we have previously accused to being witnesses was what we want to secure a conviction and we know very well the drive by the leadership of our country right now in law enforcement. What we want now as much as possible is to seize and forfeit assets to the state. If we see that material was stolen, we want to restore it to the state, because that's where it belongs. So as we fight crime, there must be value in the way we fight crime. There must be value to the state due. We need a lot of responsibility to where we use the social media. So now it's clear that we believe what comes from social media more than you believe what we take in this fashion. Members of the public, through you, please wait for us to tell you what is going on. Once we have told you, take it to be the truth. Don't pick anything that comes from social media. Don't pick anything that comes from social media. You will be misled. You end up breaking the law yourself. So please list that against falling prey to what comes out of social media all the time. As regards the aircraft, I'm inviting all of you, members of the press, to see the aircraft tomorrow. Let's go together to the airport. Yeah, deal. Isn't it? Let's go to the airport and see it. We show you. Here it is. Then you see when I'm saying people lie and they lie through their teeth. You see it. Let's go to the airport. Tomorrow you'll be informed of the timings. We'll go together there. You'll see the two aircraft that have been seized. The manner we told you, it's with the back of Zambia, it's in the boat there. The border does not have to be negated. It's also with the back of Zambia. That is a relationary material which will be used in the future when the time comes. It means that we're not going to keep supporting ourselves in the road things, but I think as much as possible, be objective in the way you are. Be objective. Have the nation at heart. I think we have the responsibility to protect the 19 or 20 million Zambians that are out there. They don't have access to these facilities that we have. We're counting on you, the media, to help us in that way. Please, let's work together. Support us when we're carrying out these investigations. We wait for the day when the matters are brought in court. As much as possible, whatever you need to know will be given to you. When you don't say it, it means you do not need to know it. That is the message that we have for you today, and I hope you relate to the nation and we shall have an assurance that we shall move together as a nation. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much, Eiji. Just perhaps we may allow just about three questions. Okay, one, two, okay, three. We can start like that. Please, let's stick to the subject at hand. Thank you. Good afternoon, sir. Good afternoon. I'm Dr. Kedwin. There is a say that goes that in the absence of information, there will still be information to cover up the gap. So in as much as you have asked us not to, even as much as you have said, some information you don't deserve it, there will still be others that will give information to fill out that gap of silence. What would you advise us to be doing as a scenario whereas she said you don't need this information? And would you clarify, because there's some speculation that the planes were dotted that presidential provision? Thank you. Okay. Yes, thank you. Please introduce yourself. My name is Rodambola. I will start with you. This camera is connected to Theravos or Lee Gove's small-scale miners who are syndicate between Zambia and Congo, and there is a house in Roma where they process the list of fake gold. Also, how many have you detained so far in connection to this case? And are you in anyway investigating one of your own who are lists who have been by the keepchairs. So the ancient place for scammers are going to what? To the ethnicates between Congo. Are they? The Congo's ethnicates? Yes. We also have the next one that is here. How many so far have you detained? How many have you detained? Yes. And are you investigating one of your own? OK. Who are these to have been dragged in this particular case? My name is Mokwema, Celana from Millennium Radio. The Minister of Home Affairs this morning announced to the nation that the DC is the only authority in regards to the relaying of information with this case. I want to find out with that said, the Minister of Mines yesterday made an announcement that that is a fact, not God, to which you does come out negative. But it has raised mixed feeling to the public, especially the mixtures that were announced. So my question is, was that test by the Minister of Mines done in collaboration with the DEC? And what's your official position as the DEC being the official authority in regards to the decision? OK. We can now allow you to respond. Right. This time I was connected to the Congo syndication. Now, we need to be very careful whenever we talk about this kind of matters. It's the same way that I would say, that there can sometimes be a lot of speculation. Now, these cameras are talking about some of them would be from across borders, others would be from Zambia. But again, for the same reason, we can't really give you the details. Otherwise, the investigations would be jeopardized. But we have mentioned you, there are scammers. And scammers work across borders. They are very sophisticated people. But talking about, I think we need to look at that kind of money that we seized. That's not the kind of money that you just find anywhere on the street. Those scammers have international connections. So we are investigating to ensure that these networks are properly deciphered and we see how they operate it. So it's true, there could be connections from other countries. But some of these scammers that we're talking about are actually Zambians. They are Zambians. How many people are detained? At the moment, we have nine foreign nationals and four Zambians in detention, in connection with this particular matter. And like I mentioned the other day, the figures might keep rising. Because that's where we're investigating. So when we talk about the investigation process, we are interrogating those that were detained. And as we interrogate them, they bring out more information which throws us back on the street again to look around for those people that they have mentioned and those that have been told to be connected. So this is the number we have now, four plus nine, but the number may rise. The other one was, are we investigating one of our own results of taking a bribe? This is what I'm saying. If you have any information, any information of whether with me I got a bribe, come and report to the IG. Whether the DDG had the information about the bribe, come and report to me. Bring out the information to us. We are your people. We are here because of you. Trust us. If one of us has misconducted themselves, bring the information. So is it possible that you can get the information to tell which this officer has got a damn much to go to? That's what I'm asking for. So if you don't tell us, and then you just write in the media or the social media, there's one man who got three million. What are we going to do about that one man? Because they've not told us. They said, they're not beating him up. Tell us. As well enforcement, we work on information. When you see us going to bust a particular case, it's information that you're giving us. And as members of the public, you must be responsible enough to inform us and we shall act. So I'm looking forward to meet you, ma'am. Tell us which officer this one is. If it's me, of course, you can tell me. Find another person to report, you know, or he reports. So action is taken. Rule of law. I think the president is precise this one. Rule of law. Nobody's above the law. The last one and he made it very clear, but fake God, just simplify it for me. Who was that one? Yeah, what did you say exactly? What's the official position from the DEC in regards to the state of God? Is it God? Is it Tim? Is it you being the official authority? Yeah. Now, this is all right. I'll give you a practical example of the DEC. If we find you with some substance that looks like cocaine, right? The day we get you, we shall clearly get suspected cocaine. Because when we look at it, having dealt with cocaine, we know it looks white, it looks like this. So we say, suspected cocaine. The next thing is we'll send it to the relevant authorities who are going to confirm whether it is cocaine or not ourselves. And while that is done like that, it's also a way of checking on each other. Can you imagine if we ourselves are going to have to examine what we found from you and confirm that it's a drug? You get my point. After I've suffered investigating you, then we find this drug, and then ourselves have to confirm that it's cocaine. The same people that have been investigating don't be fair on you as a target. So we have to send that to an independent institution who will now examine that, test it, and confirm that it is cocaine. They'll bring a report back to us and say, okay, DG, this is cocaine. And then they'll give us another drug. Then we'll arrest you and say, well, now we are sure this is cocaine. So similarly, when we found those pieces of gold that looked like they were gold, the first thing we needed to do ourselves was to take it to the experts. And what we did was they did not even move from the airports. Okay? They did not even move from the airport. They were instead put in a position just there at the airport, straight from the airport. And the Ministry of Mind's experts were called on the spot. And they came and tested, examined that using their methods. It's the Ministry of Minds. That's the experts, the geologists, whatever they are called, they came. We have no capacity to verify that. Us using our eyes, that looked like gold. Even yourself, if you saw it, it was just like gold. And that's why we're saying it is a scam. When you look at it, it's gold. You touch it, the way it is gold. You can fall for it. So we said, no, no, no. Let's go to the expert. The expert said it's not gold. What they found was that 58% to 9% of that material was copper. 58% to 9% was zinc. And there's most of the other elements inside there. So do we trust the process? Yes, we do. That's a government department. We are a government department. We gave them to verify for us. They have told us that, fine. Does it jeopardize our case? No, it doesn't. It doesn't. The investigations continue because the point of the matter is that whatever was being carried in there, did it have the right, did it follow the right legal provisions? So we still have a case. A very, very good case. What we do, by the way, sometimes if we feel like the circumstances indicate that this substance might still be gold, we have the leeway as an investigative way to call in other people to test it again. Have a second opinion. That can be done. So the way is open. We are doing this for the people of Zambia. So they are convinced we can do that. We had planned today to show you how, to show you how God is tested. But then for some reason, the time was not enough for us to get a sample from the bank of Zambia. What did we show you that? So to see how they taste and show that this is gold or this is not gold. What did we do that for? For some time we were not allowed. Otherwise, the point to note is that the process, is the government process, is distracted. If, as investigators, we feel like we are doubtful, we have the leeway, each of us as the institutions were independent that we can bring another person to test it for us. And we say, but anyway, even a fourth, even a fifth opinion, if you wish. But what is important is for now we have been informed by the ministry of minds that this is not gold. It is zinc and white and white. And that is how we spend it. They can give us official documentation. If we need that in code, we can present it and that expert can come and testify. Thank you. We're taking please the results, repeat the same questions. These are the last three questions. We are running out of time. Salim, you're still in your cell. Good evening, DG. Good evening, thank you. You have made an endless appeal to members of the public not to believe what comes out of social media. I think media has revoked. The Drug Enforcement Commission has a social media platform, the police and including all media houses. Information is being turned out on social media. As a matter of fact, there are hundreds of people right now watching your presser on social media. Would you like to address or maybe clarify from what you regard as social media that shouldn't be believed by the public and that which shouldn't be believed by the public? Okay. Next. Yeah, I'm Maingahira and I'd present it in four. That's the moment, that's the moment. Okay. I'm Maingahira and I'd present it in four. My question is simple. If you have confirmed this was a scam, my question is have you taken some kind of a deliberate doubt to confirm or to rule out the possibility that there could have been a pure gold but some people try to trick other people and go to the real one and choose then the fake one. Was there a swap in short? Some, something like that. Where are we going? Where are we going? Where are we going? Where are we going? Where are we going? Where are we going? Where are we going? Where are we going? Was there a swap? That's the question. Was there a question? Okay, good. That's the last one now. Are you not repeating? No, no, no. Okay. Maybe a follow up on Salim's question, did you? A lot of those videos which we are seeing, circulating on social media, especially the counting of money, they are done, you find the official, maybe DEC officers doing the counting and somebody's filming and they go viral. I'd like to ask, doesn't that jeopardize your investigations in some way and maybe measures which may be put in place to ensure that some of that information doesn't go out and is more like misinterpreted by the public. Thank you very much. And then the last one, I think that one is a clear case where when you're in an operation area, if you see, if somebody's authorized to take pictures, it means they should be for official use, maybe as evidence or anything. But really, if somebody's taking pictures and then wants to use them for social media, that's an officer, that's in this way. That's in this way. And if there's a person who's found, I think all the law enforcement agencies they will not tolerate that. You don't take pictures with purpose of posting. You can take the pictures that's taken officially then because they're supposed to be used as any evidence for the material. So that didn't be in this way in my head. Then social media should be believed. Now you see, I think we need to have an understanding. We need to have an understanding of what social media is damaging and which social media is helpful. And that is something that can be the same if somebody is responsible. For example, social media posts a nude picture, pornography. The only mind to take this is not a good thing to watch. You leave it. I'm just putting a very, very extreme example. When it comes to information, members of the public, I think you can see me clearly. Please, when you look at a particular issue like the one we're looking at now, the very, very specific, this is an investigation, a criminal investigation. And then we are here carrying out the investigation. Why not come to us and ask us directly what you want to find out? And we'll tell you, we can't tell you this for this reason, but just know this is what it's going on. You move away having an idea. For example, somebody come in and says the plane has flown off and uses the wrong picture. That's the irresponsible social media idea. You post it and then you put some, whatever you put it. When the one who reads gets convinced that it has gone away, let there be chaos now. Some of us are not allowed to shoot you off our phones. It almost jammed. The phone almost just froze. Has this aircraft really gone deep? Has this aircraft really gone? The picture is here, it's very clear. Why are you arguing? I had to physically go and see it again, even touch it, it's here. My mind was touched, it's here. I had to drive to the airport. That's when I started responding, because even the leadership were asking, TG, are you telling us the truth? This year after it's gone, here's the picture. That's what we mean when we say irresponsible social media. So it's very easier to draw the line when you look closely. Then on our websites, my dear, we post official statements. We post, and when we post, if you really want to know what is going on, go to our DC page and read. Because when you read to our page, there are even forms which you can ring to find out more information. But you go to one where it doesn't even put its name, but it just writes a page. And there on the page, you find the aircraft has disappeared and you believe it. Who is cheating? See the response which you were talking about. So sometimes they use videos, which are not even in Zambia, you know that. They take pictures, which are not even in Zambia, I've seen that. And then they say, see somewhere in a longer area, see the way these people do this. It's not even in Zambia. Even the counting of that money, like you quoted the airport, there are videos that were totally wrong for a different occasion all together. Bank of Zambia came in with their machines and they were just putting in their bar, brrrrr, and it goes, but there was more counting, one by one. Five million. And then you believe, no, this is a picture they were counting and what was found was 11 million and 105 million. And so it gets confused. Come to our website, that's the official website, and you get it right. Get it, man. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Come, the clouds. 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