 Um, I think I've got the record of the straight losses 48 straight losses I remember he's here. Yeah 40 I think I've got that right. I don't I'm trying to use someone to break that record I don't think that was broken. I thought I thought mine was bad I thought because I had uh one point when was it it was when I first started probably maybe about 15 or 16 losses in a row and I know how that felt so I I can't imagine even get into something like 20 let alone 40 yes 40 straight losses the good thing is that I I um I had no idea what I was doing I was listening I was listening to a couple of um people's um ideas on trading and it just wasn't working out and I was kept on going back yeah it just it wasn't working out Hi my name's Leon Roe currency trader and trading coach at trading 180.com and in this video I have alexandros who is a trading 180 member um been with me for a while haven't you alexandros how long have you been in the group yes um over a year um January 12th from 2022 22 and you were a lifetime member aren't you yes yes yes yes and um yeah um I thought I would ask alexandros for an interview because I know he's been doing you know quite well trading 180 and um you have a really good community and um he is a valuable member of the trading 180 community and uh you know I value um alexandros's opinion analysis we're always learning from each other right and um it's uh it's great to have you on the call alexandros so welcome thank you Leon yeah brilliant so alexandros um tell me about how you actually got into trading in the trading yeah um I'll just give a quick brief uh history about myself um on how um I end up getting to trading um um I work um from the age of 14 as a refrigeration technician um and over the past few years um my body is was getting tired on me I'm almost 50 so it's it's a matter of age where um I am still going to continue working as as in my trade um but I just needed something new in my life and I needed I needed something to just sort of um change something that to have something more like a better income yeah and um and I found um trading um right he actually basically came to me on uh on the site it was an advertising site somewhere on on the internet and I just thought you know um money online something like that yeah a lot of people sort of fall into this yeah we all do right yeah yeah as I'm getting also maybe like as I'm approaching my my um pension years yeah I could sort of start from now getting ready towards those years and sort of have a more easy life as I go out to service calls sort of take it easier and have a and have a backup more relaxed type of um income yeah yeah that's that's how I sort of got started into into trade into trading oh brilliant so before you met me how long were you trading for about a year roughly a bit more um I was doing a lot of I was trying to do a lot of reading um the hard thing was because I'm I consider myself very uneducated I I finished high school um basically high school to me was more more of a it wasn't my strongest point mathematics always was okay I was at my only strongest point and classic woodwork metalwork working with my hands right yeah yeah excellent excellent my strongest points yeah and yeah and that's that's what um sort of um helped me um sort of I'll try to sort of get into trading into into that um okay yeah so you were trading for a year before you met me so that's you're still it was still fairly uh like a baby in the trading world uh you know completely quite young yeah in the trace in trading years you know before you met me so how did you uh how did you find trading 180 wow um this is this is what what clicked to me um I was going through a lot of videos online youtube videos and um what stood you out was um even to this day like I still think about that video um because like I'm uneducated especially with terms um the terminology seems very very difficult for me to to understand um it's the way you were teaching your you showed a video of you teaching someone and that and when I saw that I saw how you approached the student I thought I thought that was that was like to me also this person's good like the way he's approaching him he's coming down to his level he's explaining to him that just I said I want this guy like this guy that's what sort of want me to sort of come into and see what's Leon all about and and and he sounds good he sounds what I want like like someone that that's ready to go into an environment where where there's people with a lot of knowledge I'll be competing against and trying to understand from people that understand a lot and you had those basics that sort of really um helped that person that you were teaching um I think I think it was a video with a lot of Lawrence I'm not sure if it was it was a couple of years ago but it was around the lockdown period okay maybe it's quite a bit after but I'm not sure I'm not sure right okay yeah because you know with things like fundamental analysis especially fundamental analysis it there as you say there is a lot of terminology and you can kind of go into a lot of tangents right we know it's a it's a it's a vast subject and ultimately um you know how I found my success in in in understanding fundamental analysis is to try just to simplify things right get things as simple as possible and um and I found that and I have to shout out my mentor right who's uh Mark Chapman he he did that for me and so um and I know what happened you know to me in my life so I would want to give back to you know other traders and so the way that he broke things down is the way that I kind of do the same thing for uh for everyone that you know I I mentor and uh I guess a question I would ask you would be um you know obviously on on uh everyone goes through this I went through this where you watch hundreds and hundreds of videos right on youtube and you're thinking um you know which strategy should I use should I take this bits from here bits from there etc etc but at some point um you have to put the what you learn in practice right now many traders tend to just I guess get lost in the wilderness in terms of just that video youtube top um arena how would you describe I guess the difference between just watching videos and trying to learn that way from actually being mentored by somebody and real mentorship not just being in a room with a thousand traders and you know I mean and and you know we chat room and it's just confusion and anarchy where it's actual mentoring where the where you're where I respond to your questions I speak to you on a weekly basis except what's the difference between the two this I learned so with with with one with one basic outcome my outcome and I say this and I say it and I have mentioned this this is to a couple of traders in our group um I think I've got the record of the straight losses 48 straight losses I remember he's here yeah 40 I think I've got that right I don't I'm trying to hear someone to break that record I don't think no one's breaking I thought I thought mine was bad I thought because I had uh one point when was it it was when I first started probably maybe about 15 or 16 losses in a row and I know how that felt so I I can't imagine even getting to something like 20 let alone 40 yes 40 straight losses the good thing is that I I um I had no idea what I was doing I was listening I was listening to a couple of um people's um ideas on trading and it just wasn't working now and I was kept on going back yeah it just it wasn't working out but but the good thing is what it's it's um it coming to terms with it and having one thing I always had is is knowing how to keep a low risk mind like keeping my risk management that's that's comes from a different part of character so it's yeah yeah yeah that's kept that's that things kept me in the game that thing that yeah okay so the difference between maybe learning from video and being mentored you would say is what specifically like you know the gap between the two so what so regarding you know what what is it that would that you would say is important when you when you put fundamental if you're learning the fundamentals basically understanding um when when we do we do forex and when we're doing forex we have to come to understand what how banks think move um markets what they're thinking if they're how they're moving if they're agreeing if they're not agreeing is there a divergence isn't there a divergence um and getting all that information um even the slightest little term can turn markets completely around putting all that on a chart um coming to a point where you know that looking that looking at a couple of weeks ago what's been happening fundamentally at that point how prices auctioned at a certain area creating as i'm saying if if something's developing you understand in its development and take an advantage of that specific point because you know that fundamentally markets agree or don't agree and it will create a divergence or some type of movement because you have put that on a chart and it's kept on it's kept on it's kept us in in formative move in that direction i know my terminology i don't have great terms but whatever i know yeah past year it's been because of i've been reading for you from from the group and you and then trading one any like it's helped me develop more into my my terms brilliant so so understand of mentoring is i guess helped you get a bit more feedback um you know in terms of clarifying maybe your thoughts yes things like um you know asking for guidance because trading can be a very lonely or it is a very lonely endeavor right and so you're you're kind of in your own head aren't you a lot at a time you're thinking oh and it's great that you can kind of maybe bounce off of other traders in the group etc right whereas if you're just watching videos it's it's if it wasn't for the group like it's the mentorship how each week you come you speak with us you answer our questions and then there's the group ken spends that these guys are unbelievable they like that they i how many times i take off my hat for ken he's he's always ken every time i say salute salute to ken yes he knows i love him he knows and everyone and everyone in the group you know spencer lorenz you know i mean everyone lorenz yes they they um every time yes yeah every time there's something there that that that i i um have an idea on um i always express my opinion i know i might be wrong i might be right this is the beautiful thing about trading my needy that that that it's a group that people either agree or disagree we can we can disagree which is very hard to find in the community that when you when you're disagreeing with people they tend to be a misunderstanding which i've seen in another type of community but this is the group that that that things go really nice like even people can understand and disagree and on good terms you know there's no it's it's everybody in the group um and tends to sort of it blends out nicely it blends out nice yeah and um it's interesting that you say that right in terms of uh people can have different views typically we have the same views right but there are times where i remember one time i think it was when um when i think i must have been short on the euro i think ken was long on the euro yes and so um i know this yeah it doesn't it's it's not it's not it's not personal it's it's i have my you know idea he has his trade ideas and i think Spencer might have been um maybe uh against me at one point maybe on a pound or something like that but at the end of the day it's really about learning from myself but also as well enhancing you know your skills because you know i'm always of the case of teacher man to fish or catch a man to fish and eat for a day teach a man to fish and eat for a lifetime right that's the whole point and so if suddenly you know the worst was to happen if i stopped trading 180 or just disappear i wouldn't never just disappear but if anything was to happen no you guys have got the skills and the knowledge and the resources to make your own decisions and for better or for worse you know continue trading you know profitably and successfully right exactly like that yeah excellent so so how does fun how did fundamentals because we use fundamentals and technicals but yeah specifically we have more fundamentally driven right um what is it about fundamental analysis um that really kind of helps with your technicals putting it on a chart um and knowing and knowing and i'm not gonna say looking into like and knowing where it's gonna go because nobody knows what direction the market's gonna go that's that's 100 sure but understanding that um and the way how it's going to lead into that direction because as soon as we know that or as soon as we can sense by certain data um that a certain number might come out certain reading might come out we know where it can affect and which actually we by looking at a chart and putting that on a chart and saying yes i could see this this is this is an opportunity it's come down to a value area i can take advantage of this because my fundamentals are telling me strongly it can go into into this direction yeah um it's it's it's always putting on a chart and putting it together like when i look at a chart i don't i don't see candlesticks and patterns and price i see what's been happening fundamentally like i think you see once or twice more charts you see little notes yeah yeah hanging yeah you know it's it's it's all notes to keep to remind me sort of what's been happening here what's been happening there why did the bank of japan do this why did the bank of religion do this or the fed do this and we can sort of as we're putting that together an understanding and and and every time like we speak about in the group bang there's an id bang there's an id let's go for it yeah yeah yeah and um you know looking at uh price charts to kind of determine a direction it's very a difficult thing to do right i mean in terms of in terms of i mean and i always say this right if i could trade without fundamentals it would be fantastic right if you know it'll be brilliant because it would save me a lot of uh i wouldn't say fundamentals are headache but you know the the fundamental side of things you wouldn't necessarily need to kind of look at the banks and do what you're doing but you know how can you how can you kind of ignore that and choose to ignore how you know why prices really move right which is basically the fundamental side of things and if you know that for example a central bank is hiking rates and level one is holding rates then i mean look at for example you know a really good trade we were talking about it earlier today in the in the members group was a euro CAD right look how many people were on that trade you know and it was you know really obvious not everything's going to be as obvious as that but or we're going to work out like that but when it does work out it's just you know it's it's brilliant it's it's it's almost like clockwork it has to work out like that right because we understand the fundamentals um so so so fundamental analysis helps with your i guess your directional technical analysis bias right because you can either buy support sell it resistance um buy the demand send it supply but which way is that you're going to you know you plan into trade is the is the question right and fundamentals i guess you know helps helps with that great helps us give us our direction our clear direction on on how the other market like even by understanding you know what's happening we can understand the market is coming into an auction for a certain period of time because the market's still not ready to move just still feeling insecure yeah yeah it's it's yeah brilliant so so what would some of the uh light bulb moments you know that you've had since joining trading 180 because there's always there's always that aha moment i used to get them all the time just just it's like just you know i mean if you have moments when i first came into trading 180 one of the best things i remember and ken and and that mentioned to me when i was a beginning and it was told me alex the best thing you can do as a beginner stop trading for a while do that course keep away from those old habits and you you also mentioned this this in your in your um in the course and um which is basically the first thing i did now i'll get to the light bulb this is how it's all basically started and um one of the first things i did do and i then as i was going through as a as i was actually trading mufgs what they were coming out with i was doing what they were saying you know putting those big gaps those big this like long term yeah how bankers think how i was trying to adapt there that's what i've got a lot of my reading from and my and trying to follow their way and these are bankers like you said these are the smartest guys in the room like these guys you know and as time was developing like imagine like this was eight months into into into the group and i was trying to think for myself and and one of my my trades that sort of come i thought of okay this is an opportunity now was the um in december when i when the first bank of japan came out with that with that yield curve control and as that was developing and my first idea like when am i clearly my on my own and i was um as as we will all the rumors will bank of japan um one to um control the yield the yield yield curve yeah yield curve control and then but there was also positive um it was a positive environment for the dollar for the u.s. dollar and um basically it was more the positives coming out was um how the the u.s. dollar was more like small data nothing's really serious but retail traders were pushing the price up and and it's it wasn't it wasn't really um a push from a main you know i'm it wasn't a main driver it wasn't a driver yes it wasn't a main driver and um as it reached that point i said this is the bank of japan because like because i had my fundamentals on the chart and i could see my notes and said yes this is where the yield curve control is now they've reached that and all this time this up move is it's it's not really serious it's like this thing's going to come down as i'm seeing the how everything was coming um and we also had some new some slightly negative news of of the of the u.s. dollar that bank that's when i jumped in right and that following weekend that's when mf u.s. you mentioned that that that play i go wow how did i do this yeah this is my this is my my my how my fundamentals came together you may take it take it it took time yeah i'm i'm i'm like i've said i'm not i'm a slow thinker i'm not a slow thinker my main yeah my main i love analyzing it's because like i when i analyze and research i i've get this mostly from my from my work because when i troubleshoot when i troubleshoot motherboards and electronic boards and when you're putting the mathematics down and putting all the amplifiers how amps work how and voltage and trying to figure out it's a whole different process way of thinking but when you come to the to the to the fundamentals and through time i've developed a whole different way of thinking one of them is patience i've learned that from you yeah you gotta be patient right i've learned that from you yeah sit down take a breather sit back open to see what's happening from the brick of prod and that's what helped me and put all that together into this light bulb moment that's that's what that was the result and i i feel good yeah i do you know what i i i i know i know that feeling right it's when as you say you have an idea and before we because we read several bank reports some of them being mfg city bank etc and it's you know you have the i the trade idea before you actually read it in the bank analysis and it's almost like they're just confirming what you think and then it's almost like well i'm thinking like the bank now it's when you start developing that yeah that's exactly it you're starting to that's exactly it right and so um that's a that's a that's a great thing i mean obviously the banks have vast amount of data you know all these complex you know um models that they use to value currencies etc but at the heart of it it comes down to gdp interest rates inflation risk sentiment yes all you know i mean yes exactly it so so as long as you know the relationship between those and you master the relationship between those then you can start to see how the banks really start to you know me position themselves in that positions that's how i got that's how i got into the 105 is what euro usd it's it's it's uh it was developing it was happening and i said as i was watching price come to that level go this is not an opportunity to take it and you just you do it once you can start feeling and like i said patience it does need that patience as you always say guys take take your time you would see price will come to that level at some time yeah remember we were waiting i don't know if you see the chart we were looking right we were looking at this and at the time it took probably around what's that i would say quite a few days you took a few yeah 22 days of maybe about yeah about a month of trading right month trading dates right to kind of come down and i've done this analysis from you know way back here we were waiting for it to come down weren't we waiting to come down i mean i didn't actually even answer this imagine that i did the analysis i didn't answer it right i was waiting for prices to kind of actually stop hunt a bit more down into the 105 round number and it didn't actually get there it was a few pips before that i ended up getting into the euro cad anyway so i was in the cup and and the euro i was in the euro um euro swiss or the euro pound at the time so i didn't want to take on too much euro risk you know i mean as i as i say it's only really two euro pairs but um but you know i know you i think ken daniel you know i think richie today yeah all ended up buying in and around this area do you know i mean the 105s and now look at that look at where prices you know are pretty much for you know free 400 pips up right and this analysis is done based purely off of the fundamentals first 100 percent knowing because how long have we been how long have we been long on the euro for for a while right for a good maybe quarter or so maybe beginning of the year yes you know i mean and it's waiting for that pullback being patient yes you say yeah so light bulb moments um doing the analysis by yourself and then actually reading that analysis and reconfirming it yeah and even the group is inside the group like and and it's the good thing is about when i'm in the group and i'm mentioned the trade and there was a one point i was really insecure i go should i even when you reach that high point i go she should i get out and i and i put my my i showed my how i bought that yeah in the group and ken goes hold just hold yeah i love it really does that ken told me to hold just don't hold trust me because just hold down you know it's yeah i mean there's a time for the fundamentals yes yeah there's a time to take profits of course do you know i mean there's a time to take partial profits etc and we never will never know we never capture the exact highs and you know in the perfect trade right you have to be set out your your your i guess your plan first of all you know i mean no way you want to take profits if it reaches no way you want to hold etc if the fundamentals are reinforcing i guess those ideas as well you that can give you the um the confidence to hold even more because as you say sometimes you might look at your unrealized profit you know i mean and be like i want to take profit i want to take profit you know it comes so many times oh wow it comes this is this is yeah psychology you've mentioned you've got a few things when you mentioned inside the course and it's oh they they sit down you know take a breather look at the picture it's just yeah psychology plays a big role it plays and i think once i even mentioned i was a book on i was a i put i put somewhere in the in the group as well i think i put it back up again in the group it's um and it's got to do with an economic it was in a psychology an economic um guy wrote it oh keep on forgetting i've got the book somewhere inside oh no just a moment yeah i've got it somewhere inside okay no worries it's just all about psychology and it just mentioned how important and it's what you mentioned in the course and how yeah how psychology plays a big role and massive that's number one that's number one right your trading psychology is number one forget your technical strategy and your fundamentals because if you haven't got your psychology right then you know it's just not going to work right you're just not going to make it work because you're because of your psychology so 100 and um you know it's something that we're always improving on always you're never going to get to that point where it's like oh i've mastered my psychology you know i have the moment same as you guys same as everyone we're all my daughter went and got it for me oh okay this is the one ah i think is it think slow yeah it's from an economist yes thinking faster than slow right yeah matt z sort of i was speaking with him and i was waiting for it to come and i just got this book as well right and this one here as well and it says it's yeah it's a it's a great book for for anyone that wants to get into the psychology of trading brilliant doesn't speak about trading but speaks about this like and despite an economist writing it yeah and he gets into depth psychology on why we think the way we think when we want to get out of the position we can adapt those principles yes you know to uh to trading yeah that's brilliant thanks for the recommendation to uh to uh the listeners and the watches and finally just to wrap this up i guess um you know what recent i guess uh fundamental trade idea uh are you most proud of you know probably the euro usd and the euro japan euro japan because it was my first that and that and that kept kept kept me um sort of um thinking about the whole process the and that developed that helped me develop into the euro sd as well right and and sort of come in sort of putting the pieces together and now like i'm also i'm also starting to look at one or two pairs like like one dimension with the cat the early on in the in the group today okay and and like i said you know on the cat australian the Australian cat yeah the Aussie cat yes it's it's in the position right now that that that i'm looking at it thinking about it i've got my negatives and positive putting the fundamentals together listen to what the banks are saying what markets priced in now yeah this is it's worth waiting for waiting for tuesday see what will the bank do because there's a divergence here there's a divergence in that trade yeah there's a strong divergence there this is an opportunity yeah yeah potential for this for for at least an a prolonged divergence if the if the the rba are a bit hawkish right yes it's an opportunity that's an opportunity that's a clearly fundamental opportunity there yeah it's just yeah like i'm it hasn't started to develop this this is what makes me feel you know like you say it's thank you to you it's it's it's wow thank you man it's thank you to you and the whole the troll the whole t180 community it's and also as well you've done the work right because ultimately it comes down to wanting wanting yes that's exactly i think work ethic plays there were more only positive things coming into trading my work ethic which i've had from as a young child and and and i was thinking about mathematics which actually didn't really play a big role okay maybe small bits and pieces it does help up but yeah you think you think you think you need to be a maths wiz right yeah i mean maths isn't my strong point either you know but um you you would you would think that you know maths you'd have to be a maths wizard to trade and yes but it's not it's actually not yeah yeah it's not um so talk a little just a little bit expand i guess on the we'll go back to the the dollar yen trade you said you got in around the where was it that you got in around right there yes yes yes at the 137s yes right on top right on top i do i do use a bit of order flow too and so i could see sort of um as as prices are moving right no as i know what my fundamental is at that point like on your left where you started in our supply zone yeah that's the 22nd of December that i know that date there because i know i 20 of the 20th yeah yes yes because i i know that's a very important date there that's the date when i first mentioned the yield curve control which is one of the um strongest points the point that we have to keep a lookout for in the future when that so i marked that from the past that today they mentioned it very strong fundamental move yeah it's a negative divergence so it's what and it's what we said today how a lot of Japanese have put out a lot of money they've put a lot of money into out outside of their own country yeah foreign foreign investments foreign foreign investment so this is can be a big change in in in in looking into the future so if if and price can be driven back up to that point we thought we can push all that price up they you know and and when price did come back up there the fundamental nothing really changed fundamentally nothing really changed around the fundamentally in in February in February um it was that strong non-farm payroll that came out with sort of yeah did push that it was the um the non-farm payroll came out yeah it was like the 517 thousand number wasn't it yeah that time was a very important day to to keep on the calendar and the other one was um the the CPR report yeah um those those sticky and sticky inflation yes yeah this this was enough confirmation to tell us that okay um there's a there is a strong divergence here like the bank of japan is is and um in a much more better state and also the rumors around the japanese yen which does help that the japanese yen will um um that markets are ready to price in on what the rumors around the japanese yen and when you reach that that point there all the fundamentals were leading the japanese in those in a much more better situation that's why you can see going straight up straight down it wasn't holding up there as much as previous because if you look at the previous level um around the december level that the that level all up there was all that time of thinking what the what would the bank of japan do how was the us was the the cpi inflation was starting to sort of drop a bit and compared to this there was no like markets were not reacting on compared compared to the other side like it was a big there's a big difference in reaction and and the divergence was right there yeah we could yeah it was it was a clear it was a clear divergence yeah excellent the bank was get central bank of um of japan was um yeah yeah excellent trade and it didn't and it also helped that um you know there was a bit of a banking crisis as well you know i mean yes get sbb bank safe haven yeah safe haven glaze as well you know came into that yield curve control there was a lot of uh ticks involved in that and um in terms of uh confluence and so you know because ultimately what are we looking at here we're saying that the the price was a bargain for the yen at this point and it was driven by um potential yield curve control rumors right and then when prices came back up to here whoever missed out on their uh on on a trade around here now managed to get involved in correct you know in in york up the control idea around here which now is starting to ramp up as well again as we get closer to april um you know may do nobody knows exactly when timing is always going to be an issue but ultimately that you got the direction right which is which is what counts yep correct even if you go back up to the december that was a chance where if you don't know if you don't follow fundamentals if you look even before that behind that you would see a lot of people would have been going up because going across yes you see going across like it's like said okay this is coming close to there's there's price action they're saying this thing might be going up right yeah look only at the technical levels if you if you're not following the fundamentals because we're following the fundamentals we can clearly like come to understand that since this this information came out to us we know this price is gonna help us in the future if future wise that it will give us a clear direction on which way we're going we're looking at this way say okay this could be a you know a double bottom or you know create going up for a double top whatever way you could you could see it as a as a technical ground like yeah i don't even look at the technical normal i like i i not to determine not to determine direction anyway yes yes you know i mean not to determine the direction yeah i mean the technicals definitely definitely 100% help but i understand what you're saying in terms of you know traders would have you know who trend traders you know you're looking at traders probably getting involved in terms of they're seeing the immediate trend to the downside but you know there would have been you know some sort of traders that would have been like thinking okay well that's a level that's a level of demand etc and then probably looking at you know maybe some sort of reversal then all of a sudden it starts to it starts to drop away right it starts to drop away and then all of a sudden but but this what's key is is that fundamentally as to why it moved yes right that's the key and then understanding here yes was the yen a bargain against the uh the dollar the dollar at that point before that is a key and then you look for your entries in and around there and that's what happened excellent thank you alexandros for the interview i really really appreciate it i think you're coming across your video like it's it's that video that like it's what and it's it's it's truly you have the patience that that you explain you this is this is one i think god's giving you this gift oh thank you he has he you because it's the way you explain things to people that you you help them understand it's your patience because i can be a real pain when i stop no no no no when i don't stop talking no and and this is a good point right it's a good point that you make is because the reason why you are where you are is because you ask the questions right in the same way that we've we've when i was being mentored um by mark um i would do the same thing as you would do right i would ask him questions i would pick his brain and he was gracious enough and patient enough um to to help me to understand and this is what i think um you need in trading right because you can watch a doubt i watched a thousand videos i did you know before before meeting mark right i took for you know tens of indicators that cost tens of thousands of pounds you know joined every course but it was that one to one um you know group the fact that i could call the person not necessarily can't call me anytime you know i mean but it just just you can put your questions in the in the call i'll get back to you um dm me i'll you know make videos for you for example you know and you have yes you know and just like continue to be you know to continue to support you you know i mean and and all traders and um and yeah i just want to say thank you for you know for for the interview really thank you thank you thank you for helping me get my retirement properly it's like i own you i like and i've always said like and i'm gonna say i've said to all the people in the community whenever you guys come to Greece man lunch is on me always and i'm waiting for you nathans i'm waiting for you to come to our brilliant brilliant i've been to Greece i've been to Greece we went to Saloniki um went to Malia i went to Malia and we went to Halkadiki yeah yeah yeah very nice out there very i think when i went out there um me and my wife we um i think there was a forest fire around 2007 yeah it was 2007 yeah there was a forest fire um i think we just missed it we kind of came in afterwards yeah but we went to like um a really kind of picturesque place um uh it was really really nice but um but yeah if i'm ever in Athens mate i'm gonna give you a call and we're gonna link up yeah all right thank you thank you thank you very much and was there anything you want to say to maybe the listeners who are still listening trust this guy trust him it's it's it's i'm i'm uneducated i learned he helped me put me in a position to understand if that cannot explain anything like i don't know what we it's it's just he truly does help you from my heart it truly helps thank you and put you in a position that way you would learn thank you thank you you're welcome and thank you thank you again for the interview and thanks for listening to the listeners thank you for listening and if you do want to join Trading 180 um go to the Trading 180 website and if there's an enrollment slot if there's not then there will be one probably soon because i tend to just um uh i guess have them open every maybe couple of months as it you know keeps the group small but also focused and concentrated which i think is better than having it open you know all hours and days and people kind of come in and then they get lost in the sea of you know baby people and comments and chats and you know i like to keep the group small and so nice yeah it's a nice it's a nice community great community helpful community and thank you to everybody in the community including you alexandros because i know you help out whenever you can and guide the new traders and uh yeah thank you very much and brilliant guys take care thank you speak to you soon yeah bye mate bye all right