 Yeah, so you two team keep it clean You know draft time is right around the corner and what's better way to talk about some of the Potential draft picks that the Ravens could choose from when it comes to the cornerback position some different mock drafts have had Some different guys mocked to Baltimore and we'll of course see what happens in the future But to put us on to let us know to give us the details about some of the top cornerbacks in the draft I brought on a special guest. Let me introduce him So tell you keep it clean. We've got a very special guest in the building. This is Chris. Just joking So Chris just to get straight into it. How did you become a Ravens thing? It actually started when I was in high school playing football and I made a move I used to play corner and then I wanted to make the move to safety Because I like Bob Sanders a lot and then my coach was like you got to watch every So I started watching every this was about 2002 So I started watching every then I fell in love with the team and and then they got Dion Who's my favorite player, which was the reason why I played corner or to pop Warner was because of Dion So once they got Dion, I was like, all right, this is match made in heaven and been there ever since Yeah, man, I remember that and that's that's the year he wore 37 because I think he was 37 years old 37 years old. Yeah, yeah Bob Sanders man I remember him Bob Sanders was physical physical safety. I just hated that Injuries just killed his career. Yeah, man He's probably one of the most impactful players ever in the NFL because when you remember those coach teams when he wasn't on the field They were terrible that when he was on the field. It was like a completely different squad Yeah, one of the one of those dudes that I've always loved All right, well shout out to your coach man for putting you on the air Shout out to coach Khalil He's small man because if he picked the right one, yeah, because if he would have said polo malo, I might have been In life, but it's all good it worked out now um, you you love talking football You love talking football so much that you got your own podcast a deep cover pot. Tell us about that. Oh, yeah Deep cover podcast that's with my boys Michael Crawford Albuquerque on Twitter and Kerry Stevenson as well Both great guys and it is just something that happened organically, you know, like we weren't like let's start a podcast it was just we spoke on the phone and I think it lasted like two or three hours the phone call. We didn't record anything We just talked all three of us. Yeah, we would like we should have recorded this and That was in 20 summer of 2019 and you know, we still here going strong And and you know, I love those guys because it's more than football with them Like like we talk about life. We talk more about life and we do football to be honest Yeah, so shout out to those guys man. Those are two two really great guys who make me better Oh, yeah, for sure. That's what it's about too because football in football It has a lot of life lessons in there because of course you could talk about different Coverages and different players and execution and this coach that you can talk about all that stuff But it's so many Valuable lessons that you could talk about within the game too. So it's always important to keep that in the perspective Now let everybody know where they can find the podcast and also where they could find you at too So for me, you could find me on Twitter at Chris just joking The deep cover pod that's exactly what it is on Twitter at deep cover pod You could find us. We just dropped an episode Yesterday where we do a recap of free agency with the cap guru Brian McFarland If you know if you know about Raven's football, you know Brian McFarland. That's that's the go-to guy That's the wizard. So we just did a really fun episode. That's like about two hours long And it was fun to do and that dude just he put down a lot of knowledge So if you want to get familiar with free agency and who the Ravens can sign and who they can keep Listen to that, please All right, cool. So what I do to make it easy for y'all I just leave the link to that right down below in the description. So you ain't even got to do no work So a lot of talk has been about the cornerback position right now We got Marlon Humphrey, of course coming back from injury Marcus Peters coming back from injury Chris Westerie Who had been hurt early in the season, but he finished out healthy? Anthony Avery. He's coming back from injury, but he might not even be coming back Tavon young he finished the season, which was good Jimmy Smith. He had been hurt throughout, but it's probably looking like he's on his way to retirement They did bring back. They signed Keevon Seymour to a future reserve deal So basically with all that being said, there's a lot of questions at the cornerback position So you have some young stars coming out of course sauce is the he's been to talk of the town a lot of Ravens fans We're like sauce garden sauce garden sauce garden But tell us about sauce go there. Let's just start with him Tell us what would be some good reasons on why the Ravens should draft sauce What are some some good attributes that he has some good qualities about well first of all, we got to start off with the name I mean sauce come on like you're not gonna beat that name, you know sauce like that That's just it takes me back to and one with hot sauce everybody loves hot sauce So it's just sauce so that that's number one and then he has the attitude on the field to go with that name He he's not a shy guy when it comes to physicality or contact and you know You see that a lot because people will look at his frame. He's a 6 3 You know kind of a wiry guy really tall and lanky And I think a lot of people just throw that label on him that he he's not scared to tackle and but That's not the case. He will get in there and get his nose dirty. So that's one thing, you know Ravens like We we've seen that be a consistent things with the cornerbacks that they drafted over the years They like guys who can be physical and he's long like that's probably one of his best attributes is how long his limbs are He's not the fastest guy in the world But his link he can recover and close windows to make The quarterback has to make a precise throw in order to get it in there because he's so long and then he doesn't panic either He's not a guy who will panic. We've seen our cornerback sometimes Marlon Humphrey Anthony Avery When their back is towards the ball, they'll panic Sauce is a cool customer. He's gonna keep his cool and wait till that last moment to turn his head and knock the ball away So he's a guy. He has a lot of good ball production They didn't really throw his way Coderbacks are really scared to throw his way when you watch the tape But he's a guy that has very intriguing. So sauce is definitely one of the best corners in this in this draft Okay Now with him is he somebody that really jumped out this last season or has he been progressively building up to this? How has his track his track record been? So last year Teams who they kind of went at him a little bit more last year, but he didn't have a bad season There were some things on tape that weren't as clean But I think coming into this 2021 season. He cleaned up a lot of those Those technical issues just as far as his footwork. I think his footwork is leaps and bounds better This past season than it was his sophomore year this sophomore year He was kind of a little clunky and you know, I mean the kids still growing So sometimes you still got it you got to grow into that body a little bit and his footwork wasn't really all there in 2020 But 2021 that stuff really cleaned up and and he not to knock him. He was good in 2020 But 2021 he just he went to that next level. Yeah, that's always good to hear Now, how would he fit in with the Ravens? Would he be more of an outside corner? He able to play the slotted I know six three playing slot would be kind of different, but what can he do as far as that? Where would he be utilized best that I would say put them on the outside? because I in the inside it was there was a tape on 2020 against I Believe it was Memphis against this other cat Calvin Austin, Jr. who was he was lighting dudes up at the senior bowl this past year and Sauce had his hands full with that guy. He's like five eight buck 65 and We've said we saw with Marlon when Marlon was trying to line up against Tyler Lockett a few years ago I think it's 2019 We saw Marlon had his hands full. So, you know, he's not you sauce You don't want to put him against those smaller dudes because they'll just you know that they'll route you up But you know Mike ever the Micah Evans the There was Higgins, you know those bigger bigger receivers on the outside Those are the ones that you want sauce to go up again He relishes that that physical contact and and just having those boxing matches, you know When it comes to hand-fighting with the wide receivers and stuff. He loves that that physicality Hmm, and that's something to think about when you got guys like right there within a division Like you mentioned the T Higgins when you think about the Pittsburgh Steelers, they got Chase Claypool With the Browns, they let's see what they got because they got rid of old Dale and Jarvis Landry He about to be out of there too. So we see what happens now You talked about the good with sauce. What about the bad? Well, what does he struggle with? Hey, you did mention how he struggled with the smaller receivers, but what else does he struggle with? I? Think one of the concerns and it's a legitimate concern is the long speed that he has He doesn't look like the fastest guy We've know we've seen cornerbacks like Richard Sherman come in and you know their speed not really be a problem But I would say that's one of the main factors and then also the the footwork sometimes Like I said going up against those quicker wide receivers He's not gonna have that kind of footwork that you see from like a Darius lay for example It's kind of unfair to compare him to a guy that's been in the Pro Bowl But he's I don't think he's ever gonna be one of those guys That's just gonna be able to line up everywhere and be able to keep up with any kind of receiver Okay, and if not to put you on the spot, but if you had an NFL comparison for him Who would that be? What cornerback would you compare him to this in the league right now? Right now see I had a throwback one. Oh, that's fine. It was a Jonathan Banks Dude from Mississippi State. He was with the the Bucks for a little while I actually I have another one. That's that's a little bit closer cam cam dance Lee the another Mississippi State guy he played for the Vikings and He's another tall lanky skinny guy, but physical physical with the he's not a soft corner at all But I believe sauce is better than those two guys but just as far as the physical ability and The willingness to be to be a part of the stop in the run. I think he could he's better than those guys Now do you think I know we away is away about two months away But do you think it's a possibility that he could actually be there for the Ravens to grab him at 14? Right now, I'll probably say like 80% no 20% yes Because you know a lot of these mocks that are coming out now. This is the big part the next week We have the the combine coming up. Yeah, that changes a lot So we could see a lot of movement within the next week But right now in the mock drafts that we see he's going top 10, you know, you see him Being pretty much being either the first or second corner in a lot of these mock drafts But that that combine that contains a lot. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. All right, so we talked about sauce Another cornerback that has been getting a lot of buzz has been Stingley How should we feel about him? What what what is good his bad? What's the rundown on him? so Derek Stingley he was like the Jamar Chase of Cornerbacks his freshman year because Everybody remembers the year Jamar Chase had that that national championship here with Joe Burrow but on the other side of the ball Stingley was a true freshman doing spectacular things on the defensive side of the ball and He went back to school, you know chase sat out the COVID year and then he decided to come back going to the NFL draft Stingley came back the COVID year played that with some injuries and he came back for his junior year Played and dealt with some injuries yet again, but that 2019 tape is what has everybody so high on him and it's Difficult to question that because he was going up against upper echelon wide receivers as a true freshman and stopping them So that that dude and he's a guy I think he's gonna blow up the combine because if you look up his high school numbers When he went to the Nike camp, he blew it out the water. He was running a 4-3-4 in high school Not that's that that's insane. So he's gonna blow it up. He's gonna blow up the combine Now doesn't doesn't he have somewhat of an injury history? Yeah, yeah over the past year. See he's had some some foot injuries This past season he had a foot injury but from all of all reports everything says he's healthy he's good to go and He's gonna be at the combine. So it looks like every all systems go for him So do you feel like? Do you feel like that he'll steal he's still still be a first-round pick given the injuries history? Yeah, I think I think for sure. He'll be a first-round pick I think he'll be a top top 15 guy if he doesn't go into top 10 I think he could be a top 15 guy if he had this clean injury history I Would say he's definitely a top 10 guy, but with the medicals you never know, you know I was there as he's older larry. He was a pass rusher last year with the Georgia Bulldogs and It looked like he was a top 15 guy and then you see him slip out of the first round and the reason That was was because some knee issues that he had in high school So you never know when it comes to these medicals, but just based on your talent. He's a top 15 dude Oh, I love it. All right. And what what are his what does he struggle with what are his issues that he has? So with him this past year, it was weird the whole LSU program was just weird It seems like once borough and Jefferson and Jamar once they left it just seemed like there was a black cloud over that whole program and It kind of you see you saw it in Stingley's play too. There were times where they were just miscommunications on the back end It was very Raven's like where it just didn't make sense. You're like, what are you guys doing? You know? so You saw a bit of a drop-off in play now is that is that him just kind of checking out and like, you know what? Let me just save myself and not try to get hurt. Is he playing not to get hurt? You know because you do see that a lot in college where guys are like this team is just not good And I'm the only one really trying to put up any kind of fight But if I'm the only one putting up this fight, I'm not going to sacrifice myself When everybody else is lollygag and so that could be it. I'm not trying to make any excuse for him I'm just looking for all all kinds of angles, but I just personally I don't think that talent that he has I don't think that just goes away Okay, yeah, he's definitely one of the most intriguing guys in this draft not even cornerback just overall player Okay, and with all secondary Where would you fit him in it? I? Think he's a guy you would want to line him up on the outside But I think he has the quickness to be one of those guys who can follow all over the field He's he's six one He's a slim guy. He's like one ninety one ninety five But his movement skills are he's like a cat out there, you know He he's a guy who could change directions quickly. He could play to the slot He could play the outside he can be physical and he just he's the total package He has the ball skills to go up and get the interceptions, which is something that the Ravens need a lot So yeah, he's a guy that I think can truly develop and be one of those Do it all cornerbacks Now you mentioned the ball skills Something that the Ravens seem to be lacking a bit and of course with Marcus Peters being out It was more evident than ever Just to switch gears a little bit to go get on the Ravens What do you feel like this secondary could use more of in addition to more ball skills and obviously health? Yeah, so I think obviously Marcus Peters coming back that's gonna be huge, you know I mean we saw his impact just with him being on the sideline during the Rams game Imagine him on the field. So we need him back ASAP, but I just I think they just need a more cohesion man There was two that secondary is too talented for them to be having You know these like high school like miscues on the back end of the defense because there shouldn't be guys running free It seemed like it was happening two three times a game. That's that's unacceptable for guys that are that talented But I do think they need to add a safety Obviously another corner would you know high-end corner with a premium pick, whether it's a first second or third round pick I think safety and a premium corner I think you know now now you're really cooking with the vets that you already have on this team and Before we move on any thoughts on Mike McDonald on what you expect from him because I feel like one of the biggest issues with the Ravens last year obviously was injuries, but I feel like a lot of it was scheme too Well, how do you feel about Mike McDonald moving forward as a defensive coordinator? It's gonna be interesting to see I do think we're not gonna be seeing a lot of those, you know zero blitzes that we saw I don't think we're gonna do that. What I do think we will see is a more cohesive unit When you look at Michigan, they played, you know, a lot of people want to say oh, they had Hutchison Oh, they had old job old they had Daxon Hill and it's like yeah, but you still got to make those things work You know there there are a lot of teams in college football that have talent and we see it not work But he made it work and you don't see a lot of blown coverage as you see You know players keeping things in front of them everybody rally into the ball I think what the Ravens what we saw was a lot of hero ball a lot of trying to do the other guys job when you Should just focus on your job and then trust the player next to you to do his job So I just think trust discipline Cohesion if we have that I think it's gonna be a good season for them But just just limit the big plays that's that's the main thing because this defense the defense wasn't trash It was just the big plays. Yeah, man That was painful too, man Especially like as a Ravens fan, even if you only been a Ravens fan in past ten years and just to see the Defense giving that up the way they were giving it up. It's like man. Who are we watching? Yeah, man We we can't have that man. They they got to be on the same page play in play out consistently Yeah, that makes sense, man. Now switching gears back to the cornerbacks Who are some names also coming out the draft that Ravens fans should look out for? So my my favorite cornerback in this drive now when I say favorite I don't say the best but if my favorite cornerback is Andrew Booth, Jr. From Clemson He's a dude He's a guy you watch him you could feel his energy on the field like he's getting other dudes pumped up And he's like if somebody makes a play, he's going over. He's the first guy over to congratulate his teammates Now that's just a small thing But that's what you want to see you want to see somebody that's that's hyper to play this game You want to see somebody that's happy to see his teammates make a play and now we'll be go to his play He's another guy with those cat like reflexes and if you just YouTube some of his highlights for anybody watching this You'll see some amazing catches that you won't even see some Y receivers make he got one-handed catches and You know, he's a guy that I really do like his his style of play And and I think he has that mentality that Ravens mentality because in the run game He throws his body around like he's a crash doesn't tell me like he has no regard for his body And he's running up there and he's taking dudes legs out and he's getting he's getting nasty He's throwing wide receivers to the side that are trying to trying to block them So at man coverage his man coverage skills are very very good. He's a sticky guy in coverage So he's he's definitely one of my favorites Well, that sounds good now is he expected to go in the first round as well He is he is and a lot of my drafts you would see him going within the top 12 picks Now I for whatever reason you see him going in mid first round a little bit But we'll see but he's he's definitely a first-rounder Okay, all right sounds good. So Ravens are they well They may have their options as possible that all three could be going as possible that maybe one or two Maybe they're 14 if the Ravens are yeah, exactly if the Ravens are even there at 14 You know, they like moving back and getting more draft picks and they love the draft picks Now you talked about how possibly drafting the corner, but also drafting the safety now The name we've been hearing so much of course is Kyle Hamilton Everybody loves Kyle Hamilton, but what is it that makes him so special? He could do it all he can do it all he can play man He could play deep He can line up in the box He's like the queen chess piece on a on the football field It's like oh, we need to stop this tight end put them on him Oh, we need to stop this wide receiver put them on him That's what that's how noted they am using and it's closing speed There are angles that he he just erases. It doesn't even look real on some of them There was a play I forget again, too And it was like a fourth and one and it looked like the running back had it And he just erased the angle right away and stopped it for a loss and I was like Wait, is this new human, you know, he might be the he might be the most talented player in the draft Okay, yeah, that's that's some high praise because I've heard nothing but good stuff about him Yeah, I got to take a look at myself now. There's another safety. I want to say It's Braxton Hill. No, not Braxton. Oh Daxon Daxon. He'll okay. There we go. Tell us a little bit about him So Daxon ill that's that's actually Justice Hills little brother Yeah, that's his little brother. Well his little big brother because he's bigger than Justice But he he's another one of those guys. He's one of my favorite plays in this draft, too He he's a smaller guy like he he's six one like five eleven like one ninety ish but um He the band he flies around he he kind of reminds me of a little bit the way that the Ravens would use Lidaria's web in the slot What they would send them out on the blitz they would just have webby around the ball all the time He's a guy that's sticky in coverage, but I also think this is a projection now I think he could play deep safety Just watching him and the way he reads and reacts in his own and just the way his his feet and hips Are able to change direction so quickly. I do think he's a guy that could Play that back in and do it very well and you know, that's one of Mike McDonald's guys So he knows how to use him better than anybody else and I think the way Mike McDonald use him He just wanted him around the line of scrimmage He wanted him around the ball because he's a playmaker and he's a guy that's gonna get his nose dirty He's gonna do the dirty work. He's gonna create turnovers and you know that somebody like that That that would be really really exciting for the Ravens to have Okay, so we'll see how it goes now before we get out of here Do you have any of your own projections on what you think the Ravens are gonna do at 14? We've noticed there's six other rounds, but yeah, you know the first round draft trick That's the sexy pick. That's the one that everybody's watching. It's got the coverage on ESPN and all that Yeah, what do you think the Ravens do at 14? Even if it's not a particular player if it is even better cool But if it's not that's fine, too. If it's just a position or what what do you think the Ravens do at 14? I I personally think it's gonna end up being an edge player The edge class is ridiculous as far as depth and talent There are maybe like five guys who could go in the top 15 picks five edge defenders One of the ones that I have my eye on would probably right now be You know probably I don't I don't have a favorite just yet because it's still you know We're in February about to be March next week. So everything changes, but Trayvon Walker is a guy that I like a lot. He's a pass rusher out of Georgia Just won the national championship he's a dude He's a guy just think Zadaria Smith, okay, but with a jet pack on his back That's that's how he that's the best way to describe him and he's just a violent violent dude he There's just things that he does on the field where he makes 300 pound offensive lineman Look like little boys out there and he's grown man strong He could play on the inside. He could play on the on the outside, too He's kind of like Jadavion Clowney in that way where he could move all over the place and Once he gets it clicking on the edge because right now on the inside inside Absolute terror but on the outside he still needs a little bit of that development because at Georgia They don't really let you pin your ears back and go get the quarterback Like we saw Jermaine Johnson. He was in Georgia last year He had a good season, but then he transferred to FSU and he blows up and he has 10 plus sacks because LSU is like look Go hunt do what you got to do, but at Georgia They kind of subdue you a little bit and you have to play that team defense and you know You got to go occupy this gap and let you know your your teammate stun around and get the sack So sometimes your numbers aren't as inflated if you go to a different program Okay, so maybe with no different program We see more of that edge prowess from Trayvon Walker but I think that's something that he could develop with a couple years in the league and and a guy that he's getting some comparisons to is for Sean Gary from Yeah, and we've seen through Sean Gary in year three the light really turned on and him become one of the leaders of that defense Oh, yeah for sure, man, but I appreciate you coming on I appreciate you being able to break down all these different prospects appreciate your expertise In the draft. Oh, no, no problem, man And I I do for sure and I'm not just saying this just to say it because this would be in the video So I got to make it happen I do I do want you to come through again before draft time even post draft too So you could break down some of the players or whatnot because I enjoyed this a lot man Just hearing you talk about all these different prospects and saw and then talking about the good and the bad too You just talk about highlights because that's why I don't really like watching highlights on people because highlights just show Oh, that's a good play. That's great. That's great. Yeah, but but what do they do bad and you broke that down too? So I seriously appreciate it Let everybody know where to find you at one more time on Twitter and the podcast and everything You can find me at Chris just joking on Twitter and you can find a deep deep cover pod on Twitter as well All right, cool, man. So again, just to make everything easy I'll have everything linked in the description so y'all can just click copy paste whatever So you can be lazy. Anyway team keeping clean appreciate y'all watching Chris appreciate you joining. I hope y'all enjoy Oh, yeah, for sure man. And like I said, we have to make this happen again Thank you