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I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from Salt Lake City where the pro stand will cost me an extra thousand dollars I'm Scott Johnson and I'm the shows producer audition wait the pro stand an extra thousand on top of the thousand Are you just saying like everyone? I'm just saying that stupid stand is a thousand dollars and I don't like or not. Okay. I got it We're gonna talk about one of the things that Scott did like from the WWDC announcement Sidecar not the drink not the thing you put on your motorcycle But the way to use your iPad as an external display But let's start with a few other tech things you should know Chairman of TSMC Mark Lou said Wednesday that restrictions on US companies supplying products to Huawei will have a short-term impact on TSMC though its 2019 profit outlook remains unchanged while TSMC said its shipments to Huawei have not been affected Lou did tell reporters quote when there's no Android system in a smartphone many people have doubts on whether the market will accept it Skype officially launched screen sharing for Android and iOS The feature has been in beta for more than a month Of course, it's been on the desktop forever The option is now in the menu in the bottom right corner of the screen while you're in a video call on your mobile device And other beta features like the ability to tap to make the call controls disappear are also coming out of beta into the regular release It'd be nice if they made a decent desktop version Hey Microsoft and Oracle were create a high speed or not recreate create a high speed link Between their data centers in order to make cloud services from the two companies work better together Companies will also support log-in to services from either company with a single username and the ability to get tech support From either company Microsoft has similar deals with SAP and Adobe the move is seen as a way for Microsoft and Oracle to compete better with AWS so Microsoft Oracosoft or or coughed or coughed. I think Microsoft all right Let's talk a little bit about something that has been eating away at the heart of the internet the past several days YouTube announced Wednesday. It will well This is separate from what I was referring to YouTube announced Wednesday We'll remove videos that deny well documented violent events including the Holocaust It will also remove videos that promote groups that claim superiority to others to justify discrimination That announcement came after the following YouTube also announced Wednesday. It will remove videos that deny Oh, that's already I already said that part a Vox writer and video host Carlos Mesa Has complained in public and to YouTube that YouTube creator Steven Crowder Makes videos with derogatory and mocking remarks about Mazza's sexuality and ethnicity every time Mazza posts a video on Vox Mazza calls the videos harassment while Crowder says he's joking calling them friendly ribby YouTube's harassment and cyberbullying policy guidelines state Content or behavior intended to maliciously harass threaten or bully others is not allowed on YouTube YouTube says it reviewed Crowder's videos and while it found quote Language that was clearly hurtful the videos is posted don't violate our policies and quote YouTube also added quote Opinions can be deeply offensive, but if they don't violate our policies, they'll remain on our site end of that quote YouTube also clarified quote even if a video remains on our side It doesn't mean we endorse slash support that viewpoint. All right, that's the end of the YouTube quotes in response Mazza says YouTube quote has decided that targeted racist and homophobic harassment does not violate its policies against hate speech or harassment however Later in the day on Wednesday YouTube announced it would demonetize Crowder's channel for violation of the YouTube partner program policies. Now. These are a separate set of policies meant for partners people who get Monetization get ad revenue special other benefits with YouTube He is being demonetized Because YouTube's partner program policies prohibit channels that upload videos that result in widespread harm to our community of creators viewers and advertisers now I'm sure everybody has an opinion on whether YouTube shooter should not be doing what in this situation If you come into the issue with the opinion that the comments are Unallowable then you're gonna believe YouTube is wrong that they they should get rid of a Crowder If you think the comments are allowable even if you don't agree with them Then of course, you'll think YouTube is right because you'll come down on their side Although you may disagree with the demonetization that discussion is About speech not even about free speech It's about speech on YouTube and we'll end up just looking at what was said and where your Thoughts fall on whether that should be outlawed or not and you probably have your own answer for that But outside of this particular incident a question We've been returning to multiple times in situations like these on multiple platforms is who gets to decide where that line is You always have your idea and you may say like oh, no Crowder's definitely over the line Or you may say no, I don't like it, but he's inside the line But YouTube is deciding that line for Millions of people because Crowder has millions of subscribers Should YouTube be judging this and if not who should Is the question that I think we want to entertain now two things before we we kick this around a little bit One I had an excellent interview with y'all Eisenstadt from the policy from the foundation for humane technology I'm no I'm getting that wrong But I get it right in the interview that'll come out this Saturday and we talk a lot about platforms and what their Responsibilities are also my editor's desk, which is a patron benefit I want to dig into what I think about this in a little more detail this week So if you're a patron look out for that But I want to go around the horn here and Sarah will start with you We should YouTube be judging this and if not who should where you where did what are your impressions on that? I don't none of us have the answer yet. Yeah, it's funny in theory I I do side with the the platform is not at fault It is a tool that people are using to channel information whether it be information that you agree with or you don't That's where I stand in theory YouTube Facebook there are several others are sort of too big to go into that category at this point I feel it because there's so much negative Information that's being passed around now. This is somebody saying hey, this is super discriminatory. This is unfair blah blah blah and that a I'll stay out of the details of that for our purposes But I I do believe that when you are a Platform as big as YouTube and so many millions of views and so many millions of users and content creators and people making money And that's important part of this as well Then yeah, we might be getting to a point where YouTube has to say I know it's not a free speech thing But we want to be a nice place. We want new users and we don't want people to abandon us I got what about you for me? It's I'm kind of I feel similar to the way that Sarah does This isn't the government. It's a platform. They get to decide what they want to have on it And I don't care kind of how big they get that's still kind of their decision But I do think they're kind of bad at having clear very understandable Policies if they were more clear and more nuanced and more granular Even though they can never really be perfect they're never going to answer everybody's every you know Every single little thing somebody may have an issue with I think that's important that they then adhere to their own policies And many are arguing. I'm not necessarily but many are arguing that they're not adhering to their own policies So I think it's on YouTube to be more clear about that sort of stuff I would say this one bit of difference. I have with a classification of the comments that were being made about this Mazza creator by the other Crowder dude. He says it's friendly ribbing and I would say With friendly ribbing like that who needs enemy ribbing. It's not nice ribbing like it's the worst kind of friendly ribbing I can imagine so it kind of goes to what Tom said about how it's so there's so many sides to take from that dumb comment all the Way to the top level should should YouTube even get involved how involved should they be then this opens up into areas of like Pornography and a million other things that people have problems with when it comes to public platforms like this Sure, I mean, you know lots of people who would be considered bullies say friendly ribbing. Well, it's in the eye of The recipient isn't it? That's where you know any discussion about this is gonna start to break down because we and I see people in our chat room already like Hate speech is not friendly ribbing, but someone else is gonna look at this and say well I don't think that's particularly hate speech it may be offensive But just being offensive isn't hate speech and it all becomes where do you draw the line and who gets to draw the line? If this was WordPress would be an entirely different situation because people would say would have a different feeling about like well Then I guess you have to go to a libel or you might have to go to you know Some some other kind of harassment law you would turn to law enforcement But because it's YouTube and even though YouTube wants to present itself as a platform YouTube is perceived as a channel It's perceived as a website itself. Mm-hmm people feel like YouTube should have more responsibility for the content of the people on it Even if it wasn't you know, take it beyond WordPress if this if this guy just created his own website with his own streaming Your recourse would be well, you can I guess we could try to pressure the host Which has been done before for extreme cases But is this that extreme and then I think people would start to draw their lines differently So it really ties into how YouTube has and they're not the only ones presented themselves as a an impartial platform Just just like any web host but really acted like a channel in that they say well Here's when you can make money and here's things you can link to and so when it benefits them They act like a website when it doesn't benefit them They try to act like a platform and you've seen this with with Twitter as well I can think of scenarios where you know, there's outrage about a Someone's account that seems to be discriminatory or or or Tweeting hate speech and Twitter says well, it doesn't really like Really violate our guidelines But then that person's verified check mark kind of goes away and people go well Hold on a second like what do you do are you kind of half stepping back? And I think that in this situation and I'm not totally sure what YouTube should have done differently today if anything but there's a little bit of a half-back track that that almost Upsets people more because it doesn't seem in line with I mean you're either on one side of this or the other like pick a stance Yeah, and and you know, you can come up with all kinds of variants on impartial platforms and some have more responsibility for their content than others if the phone company is not Responsible for someone calling your house and harassing you that's the police department You call them and say hey get this guy to stop calling me, right? The phone company is Responsible for robo calls, but we've decided that we want to push some of that responsibility on the phone company so each platform is different and and this is this is a brand-new type of platform and These platforms have not wanted to take a hand in moderating content. They've wanted to be Neutral carriers common carriers and they're not if they don't perceive them that if I was starting a brand-new social video Platform tomorrow here is what I would do I would have standards to start with and I would aim for high standards whatever those are not going to find them here But I would aim for them to be higher than normal standards And then everything would have to adhere to it and when things would come up that go. Oh, that's weird We hadn't accounted for that we would have very open Public-facing conversations within the company to decide whether that's now part of those new policies or not We're gonna take things down. That's not new though That's done from time immemorial. It's just YouTube Facebook even Twitter They they don't want to come down on one of the previous categories and go by those established practices No, I totally agree I guess my point is that I would do that from the get-go instead of being half robots half people one of the Robots deciding one of the people deciding like that that to me is a YouTube's biggest Optics problem and they're gonna have to do something to get around that because that's their biggest problem They're so freakin big. They can't just ignore this. They can't just simply rely on well We don't know and we'll let the people decide like they have to take some kind of stand They have to make a little more if they do that Then they become the website that is the arbiter of the content on their platform Yeah, and then they become liable and I get and you may be right that they that they have to do that They don't even have to become liable to do that There's there's ways to operate within the CDA as a as a website that allows comments That's not the way YouTube wants you to see them even though that's the way everybody sees it I think we can all agree that battery life is a good thing 100% behind longer battery life There's always a caveat isn't there I was 13 is using a new algorithm to determine when your phone is charging overnight in order to extend battery life Continually charging a phone to 100% all night long over and over when not in use actually shortens the life of lithium ion batteries The new approach keeps the phone charged only to 80% until it's near your wake-up time when then it makes sure the battery Will be at 100% which is amazing if you sleep on a regular pattern, which most people do but but This interesting tactic Yeah, I hope they do it based on Thomas mentioned in this this morning on TMS We talked about this a little bit in his segment but it'd be really cool if it tied into your luck to your alarms and it knew that well He's gonna get up at seven and probably hit this news bar once or I don't know how smart it can be But it would be cool if it could see those things so that the pattern could be more established And it can make those determinations as to when to run to the finish line and make you full 100 before you get up Because otherwise without knowing those details. It doesn't actually hurt this for me I think this is rad and there's something that I want to see in all sorts of devices that use batteries Not just my phone. Yeah, if people don't understand there's a 4080 rule Which you shouldn't let your lithium ion battery go below 40% charge You shouldn't let it go above 80% charge as often as possible Everybody knows it's going to happen sometimes But if you can keep it most of its life between 40 and 80 it will have a longer life because of that and this is a An operating system level attempt to try to help you do that because otherwise when you're asleep at night It goes to 100 and then back to 92 and then 100 You know, whatever it keeps it keeps cycling which shorten your battery life So this would keep it below 80 which would extend the battery life Yeah, do we know? I mean, what is the average lifetime of a phone battery these days? I don't know if none of us probably know that you should have looked that up before the show You know, I should have looked that up before I asked it. I mean the light the lifetime is pretty long the quality of life You get diminishing returns Exactly, that's the better question What's the quality lifetime because yeah, the lithium ion batteries can last for years and years and years But they may only charge for a minute. There you go Uh, well amazon announced a handful of new things that it's re mars conference the remars conference Have everyone say an amazon showed off its prime air delivery drone It's a vertical takeoff and landing hybrid aircraft with thermal cameras depth cameras and sonar that amazon claims make it quote as robust and as stable as a commercial aircraft quote Well, I want to fly in one then Amazon says this goal is delivering packages in a 15 mile range up to five pounds In less than 30 minutes starting in a matter of months New new listeners to the show don't know that this is my moment to go zipline Australia people have been doing these deliveries amazon is not the leader in this space. Why do they keep getting credit? But i'll give amazon uh some credit this time They actually set a matter of months instead of someday So looks like it might actually be getting closer for amazon to join in on the drone delivery space Yeah, and this and they're also talking same day Uh delivery stuff, which is none of that's been brought to like cities in the u.s. Really not no, yeah, we have same day delivery Not same day. I'm sorry same day by a vertical uh landing and taking off drone in my friend Oh, no in australia their their company's doing the same day. Yeah, you order a burrito and they fly it out to you Yeah, but not in Salt Lake City. They don't so no there you go now. You've hit out of truth That's my point We don't have this here. So i'm looking forward to the first day One comes in for a landing on my desk or on my on my that'd be cool too on my desk It just came right on it and this drone looks pretty cool They have a bunch of sensors to make sure it doesn't hate your dog in the backyard and stuff They they talked about that particularly as as a use case which is important Especially for me because I have two dogs at the same time amazon is is very good about Helping you order a bunch of stuff at once and That amazon has its new what's your preferred day deliveries you can get all your stuff In you know and make it easier for you to accept your packages at home something that's five pounds or less Isn't much Most of the things that i'm ordering on amazon are more than five pounds You can't even get a decent burrito that way Well, I mean I prefer my burritos to be more than five pounds But that you know that it kind of comes into like oh are we talking more like food delivery because it's it's little things Yeah, exactly certain trees Amazon also announced a style snap coming soon to android and ios It will let you take a photo or upload an image of an outfit You like and it'll then use some machine learning to tell what the shirt is and the pants and the skirt and all of that stuff And then find similar clothing items that are available for sale on amazon I tried this out earlier today Uh, I first started with the shirt that i'm wearing now anybody who's not watching the video It's kind of flowery and has you know a variety of of nice flowery colors And amazon was pretty good at offering up things that looked like this shirt Uh, not necessarily a t-shirt not necessarily exactly the same color, but I was impressed by Actually looks pretty good Then I tried it with a picture of me and a couple other people where we're all wearing dresses And they're they're all different dresses and amazon. I couldn't tell amazon which one to choose It decided to just choose the pattern that it decided and then it offered up some some variety And some options and those options were again not off the mark, but I thought well Yeah, it's gonna be kind of weird if it was a it was an image with with too many patterns too many colors And then the last one I tried was something with text. It was like black t-shirt with red text Well, the text is really important right because it's like that's probably like a joke or whatever. Yeah Yeah, right and so it offered me lots of black t-shirts with red text that I would never want Because it was going off the colors not not the actual text. I got to put the most cr in there amazon. Come on. Yeah, exactly It was it was kind of fun little experiment though. Can't hurt. I'm gonna feed a still of today's show See if it'll get me scott's glasses All right do it And I look like a beetle so there you do you do and that's always a good thing Tell us about the last announcements scott Finally amazon announced improvements to his voice assistance ability to hold the conversation without having constantly To say its name amazon says it's working to predict what a user will want to say next and guide the conversation I feel weird about that it's in its demo The assistant went from a question about what movies were playing nearby To selecting a movie buying tickets making a restaurant reservation watching a trailer and ordering an uber It will go live to users in the coming months So it's not doing actions on the predictions. It's trying to guess like okay. I think he's gonna say this next I'm gonna listen for that So it has more accuracy when you don't have to say the wake word if it's like oh order me an uber It's like ah, that's what I thought he was gonna say great. I'm on that I've got the uber said so don't get freaked out that it's gonna like try to predict and then guess wrong And then an uber comes you're like I didn't want an uber that that's not what they're saying is gonna happen Yeah, it sounds like it's still gonna confirm everything you want to do Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's trying to guess what you're gonna say next so it can be ready to respond That's all wasn't there a version of the echo that was doing the style thing not to jump to our second announcement But wasn't there something that you bought it was a piece of hardware There's one that that has a camera Uh, and then you can you can put on clothing and it'll it's yeah It'll it'll use the same technology to find similar items and stuff wonder if that's going away with this other thing Anyway, I I like where amazon's going with this It's it's not unlike some of the stuff that we heard at google i o Where google's assistant is is smarter without having to constantly say the wake word what I find Especially at home, especially because i'm playing around with all these smart light bulbs And so i'm trying to make them do stuff and half the time My assistant is getting it wrong and so i'm like no no no no no all right And so I have to start over each time. That's what I want. I want sort of that No, that's not what I meant. We're having a conversation. I meant this and I want her to be like Okay, I understand what you're saying and so that that that conversation is is more what i'm looking for rather than saying Oh, you're going to a movie perhaps you'd want an uber Perhaps I would but often I wouldn't Yeah, but again, she's not going to suggest it the way this is working is inside It's predicting so that it's better at recognizing. Oh, this is still that same conversation Versus you just talking to someone else in the room and they're like, yeah That doesn't sound like what I would expect them to ask me so i'm going to ignore that That also gets much closer to asking for multiple things in the same sentence Which right now it doesn't do very well does some things like that If I want to turn off two smart device lights at the same time I have to wait for it to do one and then come in with a new command and tell it to do the other and not both I would love to be able to do both. This seems like not exactly that announcement But this this tech leads that direction and I'm all for that thing getting smarter Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day and be smarter yourself Uh, just take five minutes. That's all it takes daily tech headlines.com do it right now All right, let's talk about your favorite. Is this your favorite thing that was announced at w w d Weirdly it kind of was I actually liked a lot of stuff that I saw The mac pro is not for me because I can't afford that freaking thing But I think that's an awesome piece of hardware and I'm excited about it to use in studios and things There was a lot to like but of all the things that got talked about they ended up being ipad related and kind of small mentions They weren't major Points of interest during the the conversation. So yeah, it's it's weird that I I fixated on on sidecar so much Sidecar lets you use your ipad as a second display for your mac You don't you don't have to plug it into the mac, right? It just right you can just pair it With the mac and duet Is a system that does this right now. So it's kind of moving into duets territory, which apple does from time to time It works with any mac app that supports stylus input It can work as a creative tool like a wacom tablet, which I think probably one of the things you're looking at, right? I am and I and I have to mention another Current product that does this very thing that is probably going on man. I can't believe they're they're integrating this is astro pad studio, which was a Great app still is you pay monthly for it's like seven or eight bucks a month And you use it as a way to either wirelessly or wired control your second display with your ipad pro And it uses photoshop or a million other apps, uh as like you would a wacom So your mention of wacom wacom is a good idea Because that in particular this is what jumped out at me This is a whether apple means it to be or not. This is a shot over the bow a little bit At artists in general there has already been a huge uptick in ipad use by illustrators commercial artists painters People working in digital space are using them like crazy apps like Procreate and the upcoming Supposed full-blown version of photoshop that's coming natively to the ipad is a big deal It's not out yet, but that that was announced sort of soft announced by adobe Which is probably by the way why it wasn't listed among the supported stuff that they showed on stage Because I think adobe's like well Kind of want to have people buy the full-blown thing or at least subscribe to our service so they can use it So I don't know i'm kind of iffy on that point But let me get to the to the meat potatoes here. Why this is a big deal so uptick of that device as a artist tool has has really grown Honestly, sometimes it feels like without apples Knowledge or blessing they don't really know what they had there the pencil happens to be extremely fast And combine that with good software and you have one of the best and certainly most portable solutions when it comes To art certainly latency wise i've said this on the show before nothing I've used comes close to it and that includes high-end wacom and includes The best surface stuff microsoft's working on it's really kind of state-of-the-art in that one regard But one of its limiting factors has always been you got to run ios tablet software and there's some good stuff out there But if you want to do illustrator designer photoshop There's a whole list of these that they said on the stage z brush substance painter substance designer sketch principal painter motion Maya the list goes on If you want to use all of those industry standard things for artists and creators You kind of didn't have a whole lot of choice To get a big expensive wacom tablet and that's just where you had to live Now there's this option. It may not be as big as a 24 inch wacom or larger But it is a really nice Paired-down solution that you can also take other places with you so turning that into The secondary tablet for artists is going to be huge because again like i've already said they've already Sort of invested in this And now they're finding a way to connect the two and they don't have to have a giant piece of hardware here And i'd love wacom. I don't want this to sound like I'm spelling out the funeral plans for wacom in their tablets. You're not planning to whack wacom. No nobody should either They're they're pretty incredible hardware, but they do need to have an answer for this because this is a really compelling Solution and i for one i'm super stoked about it I used astro pad studio and likely won't once this comes out because I won't need to anymore And that's okay. I'm fine with apple integrating this now. We don't know how well it's gonna work Will the latency take a hit they already said during that conference that the pen was going to be increased Or had latency dropped even lower from 20 where it is currently which is already insanely fast down to five They didn't do any details on why that is. I hope it's just software and not new pens that'll piss everybody off but Who knows maybe it comes with a thousand dollar stand. I have no idea. But the point is Pencil stand combined with the fact that now artists and creators are going to be able to use all their favorite stuff with an external Display and hopefully at speeds that I don't know come close to what we use with airplay and other technologies That let us wirelessly connect max to other things I could not be more excited about this Turn of events and it was the biggest thing for me at the show. Yeah Uh, folks, what do you what do you think about sidecar? Or if you have a favorite thing that was announced this week at remars? Or wwdc let us know there's lots of ways to participate right sir Right. In fact, our sub reddit is one of those ways you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show At dot reddit dot com lots of good wwc stories this week in our subreddit So keep those and other topics that you care about coming so we know what you want to hear more about If you hang it on facebook join our facebook group if you haven't already facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show. Let's check out the mail bag Got a great one from susan. This is in response to our conversation yesterday about libraries Suzanne says thanks for the shout out to libraries as part of the story on the hamilton public library An open library product of internet archives on dts 5545 i'm a consulting librarian with montana state library and part of what we do is provide Consortial access to digital materials so it can be affordable even for those in rural areas with underfunded libraries It can be difficult navigating the insane of copyright as well as the proprietary restrictions of many of the content providers Too many times. I've heard tech pundits the ride restrictions We're subject to is just one copy one user that are indeed meaningless in the digital world We see it too, but they're not our choice So we're constantly looking at additional models such as the open library And allow me to put in a little plug for one of our other key concerns Privacy unlike online search engines and booksellers librarians Don't share records of what you've read listened to or watched without a subpoena And we strive to educate the public about privacy in the digital age Oh, thank you susan. What a wonderful, uh, what a wonderful note and great points, uh, especially about privacy A lot of people don't realize that absolutely keep doing keep keep fighting the good fight susan Uh libraries for life. Also, thanks to scott johnson for being with us scott. 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