 Interpol secretary-general is in Davos saying it's a chance to get the chief executives engaged with global security threats Jürgen Stock joins me now. Good to see you sir. Thanks for having me in the program as now the biggest threat I think at the moment at least I mean besides the usual range of money laundering and nefarious deeds has to be cyber security malware whether from governments or other criminals I mean Interpol is Dealing with cyber crime and cyber crime is now entering if I may say in a new dimension We are discussing here Davos the fourth industrial revolution which comes with huge opportunities For our societies and economies, but there's a dark side of the fourth industrial revolution And that's the certainly the development of cyber crime which is entering into a new dimension and it's going to become even more dramatic in the future Do you see a part of Interpol's role to also investigate for example those allegations of meddling and interfering in elections referenda State-sponsored cyber. No, definitely not. This is not Interpol's turf Our turf is cyber crime traditional cyber crime cyber-enabled crime That's the way where we try to provide a platform for under our 192 member countries and provide the capabilities and the technology They need to successfully investigate this kind of crime Which is definitely comes with completely new challenges for law enforcement globally and on that of course, let's take Bitcoin Bitcoin scams some of which come from Ukraine some come from Russia somewhere in South Korea We know that they're truly global But I always get the feeling when it comes to cyber. We're just one stage behind the criminals They're ahead of us. Perhaps we are a little bit behind but we are successfully in Investigating for instance in the dark net, which is becoming more and more a problem Also providing tools and services for those who are not experts and just buy the tools and services in the internet like a like a Portnet like ransomware Have you got the expertise necessary within Interpol does I mean even national crime fighting agencies tell me, you know They need more youngsters that have the ability to really understand this Definitely the job profile within police services going to change that's that's true And it's also true that many of our member countries are struggling with lacking basic capabilities and well-trained and skilled stuff to Investigate in the cyber arena. That's definitely a challenge where Interpol tries to close the gap in providing trainings For instance dark net trainings and cooperation with the private sector is of utmost importance We have to bring that cooperation on the next level more institutionalized We need the private sector to help us in developing solutions choose a color. Yeah, let's say Green they let you hope in the country where I come from Yeah, so where would you say you are on the we are on the fracture board? No fractures in society met overly fractured That's just the middle point. You can go anywhere you like with an arrow I like to be to make my cross somewhere here in the middle because I see I see a lot of opportunities Getting worse worse or better. Where's the area? I think it's getting I think it's getting better because I see huge commitment Global law enforcement is united through Interpol and I see huge commitment of the private sector to more closely cooperate with law enforcement Good to see you sir. Thanks for having me. Thank you very much for joining us much appreciated. Thank you