 Hello everyone, it is Wiki Tree Challenge Wednesday. I'm sorry I have missed the past two Wednesdays as the time difference. I haven't been able to do it since I was at work, but here I am and I'm very glad to see you all and it's gonna be an exciting live cast today. So before we get started, let me introduce everybody who's here. So next to me, I'll start since she's over here. Mindy, she's our Wiki Tree Challenge Coordinator. We would be nothing without Mindy and then I, Sarah, I'm a Wiki Tree team member. And then next to me we have Coral Parks who is our current guest star who we're doing this week and next to her, her mother is also here so she can see what we found for them, which is exciting. And then below we have Melissa Barker who we are kicking off this week for the Wiki Tree Challenge and then we have Karen who is our captain. Gonna be a great Wednesday. And for those of you who are watching who maybe you've popped in because you're a family of Coral and Kay or you know Melissa and maybe you don't know Wiki Tree or the Wiki Tree Challenge, I'm gonna tell you a little bit about it. So Wiki Tree is a community of genealogists who are working together on a single family tree. In other words, we collaborate through an accurate global tree that connects us all. And most remarkably, it's free. The Wiki Tree Challenge is our year-long event and part of our year of accuracy where each week a team of Wiki Trayers takes on a genealogy guest star's tree and collaborates and make it more accurate and complete than it is anywhere else. Our goal is to improve our accuracy on Wiki Tree, add more family connections and make more friends. So great. Yes, and we are definitely doing that. And I'm going to explain a little bit about the challenge and what goes on on the participant side. So for our participants, of course we're not doing it for the points and trust me, it's a lot of fun to be able to get this done for the guests. We just, we really love it. But a little bit of competition doesn't hurt, helps keep people motivated and see where they're at. So we do pick a most valuable player, MVP of the week each week. They get, all of the participants can earn 10 points, bounty points per brick wall ancestor that they find. And then for the additional relatives, they can add the siblings, children, and they get one point each. And sometimes those really add up. So that kind of gives us a way to give points and let people see where they are. Now collaboration is really, really important with this. And we wind up with anywhere from 25 to 40 people working on one week, on one week's guest star. So collaboration is super, super important. On the left there, you see the spreadsheet. We go ahead and list out the participants for that week. Hopefully they put the ancestor they're working on so that if somebody else comes in, wants to work on that same ancestor, they can go, oh, somebody's already got it and pick somebody else. So we're not stepping on each other's toes and working on the same person. Now on the right hand side, you'll see the G2G post. That's our genealogist to genealogist forum post. And there we have a new post each week for the guest star. We go ahead and post out who the great grandparents are and then people can post if they found a brick wall, if they found something interesting. Sometimes they just ask a question. There's a lot of activity that generally goes on in those posts. And then our final way, of course, is Discord. This is our most important one because we are a global site. We have people that are working at different times all around the clock. And this is our live chat. Now we go in there and we have people that sometimes we're just cheering them on, hey, way to go, great job. You can go in there and say, hey, I need a second set of eyes on this record. I'm not sure if it's for the right people. And where else can you get four or five people to just stop what they're doing? And they all look at it and give input. It's great. We get translations in there. There's people that just sit there and wait for others to ask for newspaper articles and they go out and they look for those. There's a lot of communication that goes on through Discord and we really, really need it. And then the last thing with our collaboration is we wanna remind, and this is for the participants themselves, that the captain for the week, of course this last week has been Karen, this upcoming week is Cheryl Hess. The captain really is the person that steers the whole week. So they take care of any issues, they answer questions, they help out the participants if they need it. And also there's supposed to be the sole contact for the guest. Now we don't want 15 people messaging the guest saying, hey, how did you get that date for that marriage? I don't see a record anywhere. We ask them not to look at their trees on either site, the primary site or on Wicked Tree. So we're kinda hoping, if you have any questions like that, you'll get them to the captain and they'll be the one person that will be the go-between and go back and forth and forward to any of those messages. I guess we will go into our top five now? Yes. That's exciting. Our exciting top five. And it is because we had some new people. And the interesting thing is we've actually had some Wicked Tree challenge guests that are star guests that are paying it forward or just trying to figure out how the system works. And so we have some new people in the top five this week. Now the most valuable player than one I was talking about with the highest score was Donna Bowman. Again, yay Donna. She's been rocking it this week. And then so she's number one slot. Melanie Doherty is a future guest. She was number two. Maggie Inns, number three. Amanda Eadies, number four. And Andy Stubb is number five. So thank you to those. Yeah, thank you to those top five. And also to everybody else that worked on the challenge though, you know, it takes a team. So then we'll look at our overall stats for the week. Yes. And this is where we get all of the numbers that we have. So now on the, do you have the link for that, Sarah? Oh, it didn't, oh, it didn't change. Hold on a second. I have done the screen sharing. I'll start reading while you play with it. Yes. Yeah, I did the wrong thing. Our week 24. Now we have total points and that's the total points each person got. So Donna, they had that 129. With all the participants together, it was 564. And trust me, there are more things that go on that don't get points that people work on. So if they're on this list, they were doing something and all of it is equally important. Now there were actually 304 people added to the tree. So some of these may have been on your primary tree, Coral, but out of the ones that we worked on, we worked out from the great grandparents. So not that many of them are, a lot of these are new. Out of that 304, 68 were direct ancestors to you. Now 236 were those nuclear family members I was talking about, that siblings, children. You know, we wanna do a whole family approach so we can find every record hopefully that we can for that family. And then out of the bounty points, this is our big number. That was the 10 points each for every brick wall ancestor. And you, these guys broke 26 brick walls. So that's 260 bounty points. Yeah, incredible. There were 795 unique profiles edited. And so total edits here. And once again, this is not counting the space pages and different things that people did. Total edits, every time somebody opened up a profile, they added a source, they fixed a date, 3,101. I just, this community is incredible. And yeah, I'm always amazed. That's fantastic. Yeah, always amazed at what they do. Yeah, it's all. Now I guess to show you some of the brick walls we found and all the other fun stuff we found for you. And I guess Karen will take it away. Karen. We had a big week and we're looking at, we asked you to add your tree to the eight great grandparents. So we'll tell you what we learned about each of them. We looked at the Beecham family and saw ancestors working in the Civil War. Henry Beecham was the one we talked about last week. He was in the 87th Illinois Infantry and he was the one who died at the Siege of Vicksburg, sadly, just about the day before that ended. Corral till this last week. And then Jesse Lay was also in the Civil War with the US forces in the Sixth Cavalry. He got discharged for medical reasons and both of his wives were lucky to, or not lucky because they were widows, but they received a widow's pension based on their Civil War service. We have the line for... Right. Beecham, yeah. We've got some of this Charlotte. Yeah, just one more. Okay. Yeah. And... I didn't know anything about Karen. Karen's wife is from the school craft family, Ali May. And there was quite a lot of work done on this line and we're pretty sure that the school crafts were pretty active at the time of the revolution. We don't exactly know whether they were at that battle of Point Pleasant that was, oh, even before the revolution in Lord Dunmore's war, I might have to ask Amindi or someone to chime in and tell us about it. But a bunch of the school craft sons were all on the rolls of the militia there during that time. So they must have played some part in that campaign. Asstian school craft himself was one of the folks who was killed by Indians, as they would say, in the conflicts between the Native Americans and settlers in what now would be Buchanan in West Virginia. We go home. But we think that the school crafts might have originated in Germany, these ones who wound up in West Virginia, that school craft may have been an Anglicized spelling of a German name, although that school craft name comes up in Yorkshire as well, where it's associated with a village there named Shoals in Barwick Parish. And then actually for Lord Dunmore's war, you see that where there's the conflict that we already know happened a lot between the Native Americans and the colonists. But Lord Dunmore's war was in 1774 between the colony of Virginia and the Shawnee and Mingo nations. So still more native versus colonists than pre-revolutionary. Yeah, plenty of conflict as we continued to expand Westward all the time. And then we, do we want to move on to the read? Coach is showing the well-written biography first. Oh, yes, thank you. Yeah, all the work that folks have done. Now here's a line where we added 22 new ancestors. Oh my God, from our millbook. Wow. Yeah, and these were on the Lytton line. This is where I'm closest to Coral right now because Caleb's brother wound up settling just in the next county over the border from where my father was born in Tennessee. So that's where in our connection finder that we like to play with, Coral and I are closest. Now on the Lytton family, John Richard Lytton was an officer, a lieutenant in the Revolutionary War. And he was a lawyer and a juror as well in Bodator County in Virginia, whose name I had probably just mangled. So all the Virginians can correct me. And John and Sarah had at least nine children and there's like a hundred new direct ancestors on this red line. Very good. Yeah. Okay. Well, 22 new ancestors, that's exciting. You have a lot to go through so far, Coral and Caleb. That is very exciting, you know. Yeah. And the last great-grandmother on the Beecham side, Mary Catherine Phillips, she, we discovered a second great-grandmother, Mariah and Evelyn, she used both names. She was born Duval and married to Phillips and then married to Worthing. She and her sister, one had married a son and one had married the widowed father. And they were just having a disagreement, doing the laundry and doing their chores. And the sister just whacked Evelyn with the broom that she had in her hand during the argument. And Evelyn just fell dead. She must have taken an injury to the head or had a shock and was killed. And her sister was just mad with grief when she realized what she had done. Crazy. Yeah. Like kids don't bonk your siblings on the head. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And as we see on the slide here in the back on the preview, yeah, on the line with the folks. Are we still on the broom there? So, Jasper Worthing. The next one, yeah. Okay. He passed the broom. Yeah, there you go. That one. Okay. Yeah. So here's a Patriot ancestor. So Mariah Evelyn was born Duval and her ancestor Louis Duval is considered a Patriot by the daughters and sons of the American Revolution because he signed this oath of allegiance. That's how I joined this wealth through someone who was spared from fighting but did need to sign the oath to the United States. Oh, right. Cheryl's saying when you had a manual washer, you would lift the clothes out of the water with just a broomstick because it was so hot and that's probably what she had in her hand when they... I felt kind of bad for thinking that was a little bit serious, but, you know. Yeah. And continue. Okay. So Louis Duval is a Patriot and there may be more that we'll see and often we'll start by just picking the one that is the easiest to document, the intervening generations, but you've got a big head start here. And why don't we move on to Kay's side? And the first one, which is the next slide and the first one we considered was Ernest Graham who is the big brick wall. And it's not made any easier by the fact that there were other Ernest Graham's in the same area. We talked last week about the guy down in Black Hawk in Iowa who married Nora McKee that we didn't think was Ivy's husband, but we were really intrigued by this fellow. So Ernest and Ivy married in 1911 and this fellow in 1913, we really think it could be him. He's in the newspaper for Bigamy because he has, yeah, he has a wife and a baby in Mitchell, South Dakota. And he's, yeah, in 1913 and he's absconded to Port Pierre and brought another woman to the judge to marry. And when, yeah. And when he was found out, the article is really neat because he claims, you know, I was intoxicated and it was just a joke. It was a joke. Very. It was all in fun. Yeah. And that sounds like him. Great. Because you told us last week that Ivy said he was in there too well. And that was like all she had to say about him. Right. Yeah. So I have to wonder, like who else named Ernest Graham leaves a baby in Mitchell, you know, they're. Right. So we were looking at this. Yeah. So here's the free space, the page that folks made and they were looking at the signatures, the one on the top. I'll take you on where you're leaving. Yeah. The one on the top, remember, you said that it looked like Grimm on the marriage and then there was this other guy, Ernest Alfred Graham and his signature doesn't look too similar to me. His ease are completely different. They're different. I mean, you can, you can change some things, but yeah, I don't think those two are the same man, but I think it's really worth considering whether this victimist is him. And of course we didn't find the leads to who could be his parents, but we sure had some fun. I think it just about everybody took a turn looking at them and seeing if, is he the one, was it Lydia Downer that he brought to the justice to marry when it was found out? So he was ordered to pay support to his wife and baby, which we wonder if that's Ivy and Kennedy or if it's a completely different Ernest Graham, but boy, have we all been intrigued. That's a better lead than I've ever found. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So it really could be him. Yeah, we were just- The time was about right. Right, I was kind of making out the timeline of this fellow Ernest Graham who had some land there. It's got the public land designation with the township and range and he writes a mortgage to someone and then she defaults and he must have bought it back at the auction or received it back. So just trying to figure out the timeline of all these Ernest's and how we could help figure out which one is Ivy's infamous husband. So we didn't have- It's probably the biggest Ernest here. So we didn't have a question that you were asking like how does Wiggy Tree handle being married to two women at the same time and having children with both of them? Yeah, we just enter it. I mean, my own family is recently as a great uncle where we just enter the children and if you're legally, if you're married or if you're living as partners, you just show two spouses so the software doesn't prevent us, right? So yeah, they were talking about in the chat that probably like it'll pop up as one of the suggestions for the Wiggy Tree Plus that like, oh, look, these two people were married at the same time, but then we have the, in our biography and our research notes, we explain why this is correct. So we need the sourcing and the documentation. Yeah. And I think the only other thing that would be an issue is if say the first wife was pregnant and then he goes in and pregnant the second wife because then the system's gonna come in and tell us, no, those children were born too close together. Yeah, it's true. Although we may ask our developers that that only happens on the wife's side. Right, because we have Chris popping up and saying, oh no, someone fathered two kids at the same time and that didn't cause any errors in the software. Yeah, cool. I just wanted to talk about that real quick. There's suggestion reports because Lucy has a brother and sister born a month apart and so it pops up as a suggestion that you should look at and clarify. Yeah, well. That's an interesting, there's always something scandalous in your history. You always. Oh, we all think. That's what makes the research so much fun. Wow. Yeah, so we didn't make a big breakthrough on earnest but Boyd did we on Ivy. We have so many ancestors extending back on this line. Your fourth great-grandmother, case third, Sarah Ensign, her lineage extends back to James Ensign who was part of that Puritan Great-Mart Gratian and he came to Connecticut in the early 1600s from the town of Rye in Essex in England and he was one of the founders of Connecticut. Yeah, so. Yeah, and looking on his profile, you could see that picture that's showing for his profile picture. That that's actually a memorial to the founders. So that actually has his name on it as one of the founders of Hartford, Connecticut. Oh my goodness, we have to go see that. Yeah, and now you have to go to Connecticut. Maybe go in the fall. The ancestor was a founder. Maybe some fall foliage and some ancestral homes. Absolutely, yeah. Right, and just this was a line that really got extended back and sometimes we'll tie into a line, a bunch of ancestors that are already on wiki tree but we'll find that they're not sourced as well as we would like. So then we spend time just working through the generations and trying to find those source records. Right, there's a lot of new names on there. Wow. Oh, we loved reading. I think of Arthur's shoe. Yes, have you read about his marriage to Joy? We found one about Joy's parents thought she was awfully young to be marrying. She was only 18 and a half and Arthur was coming up on his 28th birthday and so they decided to look and they got the thing. We didn't know that. That's cute. I love this article, it's really cute because they had some friends, Dale and Francis who were a couple as well and they arranged for the minister to be ready and I think Joy and Arthur came from Tacoma over to Seattle and so they were getting ready for their ceremony and thanking Dale and Francis for coming and agreeing to be their witnesses and Arthur says to Dale, well, I do the same for you and then Dale turns to his sweetheart Francis and says, well, now's a good time and she blushed and must have agreed because a couple of minutes later they were having a double wedding. So cute. Yeah. That is so sweet. Honeymoon, the home that Dale and Francis planned to live in in Seattle. Yeah. Yeah, Brema Joy. She's where I got my middle name, yeah. Oh, that's where you're from. That's where you're from, yeah. And her sister Beth Coral is where I got the coral from. Oh, wow. And that was a sweet- Oh, I love hearing stories about her. Story and then, but on Arthur's side of the family there was a crazy story as well. You've got a second cousin three times removed who also was in the papers quite a bit and it wasn't as good. That's on the next page. His, he was born, Harry Severn's. His stepfather was- Okay, we know the Severn's one. Yeah, and he is, yeah, so he's your second cousin three times removed. So must be, well, I'm trying to calculate in my head that must be Joe Kay's second twice removed. And so he was one of the later Western outlaws. He was just, an article talking about him said he was just so cold blooded and in the criminal lore of the country there's no record equal to that of Harry Tracy for cold blooded and their desperation and thirst for crime. Jesse James compared with Tracy is a Sunday school teacher. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that he committed a number of murders. He and his best buddy escaped from the penitentiary in Salem, Oregon, I believe. And there was a lengthy manhunt and all the while his grandfather, James Quick Severn, Julia's brother was at the end of his life and everybody was struggling to try to keep him from finding out because Harry had been a favorite grandson of his and he just really wanted to be a tough. He wanted to be a bad guy and he succeeded. They say, a lot of the news reports were very sensationalized, but they say that James did learn about what was going on with Harry and he died from the shock from a great broken heart. Harry had been such a favorite grandchild of his. This is really so sad. So yeah, that's a new story. Romance and crazy outlaws. And so here's another what we call free space page. Most of the pages on Wiki Tree are about an ancestor or a living cousin. But some of them are about topics. And so this one is about these outlaws of the West. Trying to find, I already got his name. So there we go. So Harry features in there and he is documented on Wikipedia and other sites as well. There's a museum, the White River Museum that believes they have the last pistol that he was using. And just crazy the way people trying to just get souvenirs. I got some hair from the man that he killed. Just the news was so shocking. They love to sensationalize the Wild West out now. Oh yes, yes. And I prefer the romance of the previous page and don't try to multiply our murderers. Oh, so we moved on to Joy Cooley, Arthur's wife and learned some about, it's fun things you already know like Fern Thorpe who lived to be 101. She was helped to figure it out. 102 actually. Oh wow. She died just shortly before 102. Okay, so she was just about... Yeah, I'm also 102. We like to say 102 because it gives us hope. Yes, yes. And new parents were found for people on this line including Martha Harger and Lovina Sanford. Yeah, so Martha got more than 75 direct ancestors that should be new to Coral's Tree for sure. And Lovina gained more than 200 new ancestors this week. They both had lines that were going way back into England. We put Joseph Jenks on here. An ancestor and deputy governor of Rhode Island and he made it to 84 himself. So he got longevity in the family. Joy's grandfather was Giles Cooley and he was a busy, busy Republican politician for over a quarter of a century. We thought this was cute when they were supporting rather for D. Hayes and William Wheeler just the stories of how like you think a giant flagpole is something modern, but it's not. They have articles about they're popping up 90 foot pine poles and running up their Hayes for president flags. And here was this antique lantern because this is the 1876 election and just a glass that you could drop a paper into. And so they made up a pretty paper with Hayes and Wheeler on it. Yeah. And so he was fun to read about. And someone else from the family going much further back in time was Elizabeth Batchelder and her father Robert way back into 1540 in England. And a sixth great-grandfather. We talked about all the revolutionary patriots but a sixth great-grandfather, Johann William, Wilhelm Pease or Pace. Pace, yeah. Yeah, he was a loyalist. His property was confiscated in New Jersey and he was in the New York jail during the revolution. He went up to Canada and settled in Ontario and got crown land. Most people got one lot, which was 200 acres. And just last Saturday was United Empire Loyalist Day there in Ontario where he settled. And so if you want to double dip, you can look at the Daughters of the American Revolution and the United Empire Loyalist Association of Canada and both sides of the revolution. Right. Now, as we did all our research, we love to remember our veterans and learn more about how they served. So we added loads of documents and information about the many service members in the family. And so you can check out all these profiles to learn about their time in service. Now, Mindy, how did we do with all these brick walls? You mentioned quite a few and you're the mistress, the grandmaster of the charts. Oh, for the actual, yes. These are the, this is the brick wall chart that we work off of. Now at the start of it, all of the yellow places that you see are where there was a potential brick wall that we could break down. And, you know, we always understand with our guests that sometimes it isn't that it's a brick wall like you're stuck, it's that you haven't had time to research that line enough. And anybody that's serious about family history and looking at ancestors, it's so hard, especially for us on Winky Tree. I know the professional genealogist, all that says the same thing. They work on everybody else's tree but their own. So, you know, what we count as a brick wall, you may not and that's okay. But for us, we work off of any line that does not have parents attached on your primary tree. So it just kind of shows the legend. Once somebody claims a bounty point on that G2G post, then I go in and I mark it on the chart that they claim that bounty. So all those little dots you see are all of the brand new brick wall ancestors. And you'll get a copy of all this so that you can look through it. It's a lot of fun. Okay, thank you. And then this is your final ancestor, and, bleh! Ancestor George. And it's all nice and colorful. And you can see there's areas where, you know, people kind of clumped in and worked on certain families more than others. But you have a lot more ancestors out there in your branches now. You know, wow. That took us a lot further back there. Yeah, so I hope you're excited about reading everything that our team participants have found for you. We have a lot of work to do. Right, my first Wild West person and also our first person who wasn't on, you know, a patriot in the American Revolution, our first person on the other side. I like that. That was... Thank you so much. You guys did an absolutely fantastic job. More so, it seemed to be the same thing I'm finding. It's easier researching mom's side than dad's side. Dad's side is more elusive than mom's side. And my maternal side was much, much easier because I have a lot of information that she didn't add to her tree yet. Right. The Cooley and some of the shoots, all those several of the things that you said I hadn't heard before. Well, hopefully there's all kinds of good discoveries when you start climbing through the branches. We're gonna spend the next two days just looking at everything and seeing all the new. We've decided, I decided a while back that we can't find Ernest Graham and we can't find his parents. We can't find any information about him. I figured, because he was, my grandmother did say he was a drinker, near do well, he was a drinker. So I think he just went into a bar one night and just got into a bar fight and they killed him and threw him out back and dug a hole and nobody ever heard of him again. You never know. Maybe Ivy would have been next head. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, she did miss him. Yeah. And I guess we'll wrap up for Coral. We have any final questions or comments before we segue into Melissa? No? No, no, no. Oh, I think it would be. Mom and I are gonna sign off. All right. I just wanna thank you all so much for doing this, choosing me and helping me work on my trees. Thank you so much. Thank you. Now I'm gonna go spend more time learning about wiki tree and my family. Yay. Yay. Thank you, ladies. Thank you so much, Coral. Okay. Bye. So we will go and start on Melissa. Oh, hold on. There we go. So I will give a brief introduction on Melissa and then, Melissa, you feel free to add anything that we missed. So Melissa is a certified archives manager and public historian, works at the Houston County and Tennessee archives, a lecturer, teacher and writer about genealogy research process, researching archives and record preservation, has a popular blog, a genealogist in the archives, has a bi-weekly column, entered the archive lady, also writes history pieces for her local newspaper and is a professional genealogist currently taking on new clients. So taking on clients. And that is you, Melissa. Do you wanna add anything or? No, I don't sleep as it is now. So I've been researching my family history for 31 years. So it's like some of your previous guests, I've watched the show, have said that I'm a professional genealogist in 2004. And so since I've started working on other people's trees and genealogy, I don't get as much time. And so I'm very excited that someone else is gonna get to work on my family tree. And I'm hoping that it actually jump starts some things for me. Maybe I can eke out some time, five minutes, 10 minutes to actually do some research of my own. But no, I'm really excited about doing this. This is gonna be interesting. Well, we're really excited. And we do have some questions for you to ask to kind of, I guess to give a little interview and see where you want us to work on and all that. So I guess to start. So you said you've been researching genealogy for 31 years. What got you interested in genealogy? I actually got bitten by the genealogy bug at a funeral. My husband, one of my husband's ancestors, family members had died. And we were at the funeral course where I live in the South, I live in Tennessee. And so we have visitations and then we have the day of the funeral. So we were a visitation the night before the funeral. And I was noticing, this is a 1990 and I was noticing a lady walking around with a spiral notebook talking to everybody. And I thought, what is she doing? You know, I'm kind of being nosy. So I went up to her and I asked her, I said, what are you doing? And she said that she was doing genealogy research. And she says that funerals are a perfect time to talk to the family members. And she was writing down. So I asked her, I said, can I take that home and copy it? And it was for my husband's family. And I'll bring it back tomorrow at the funeral. So I did. And that's actually what started me on my genealogy journey. That's awesome. Okay. And out of your years of research, who would you say is your favorite ancestor? Well, since we're talking about my family, I do my family and my husband's family. I'm one of those that I researched anybody and everybody connected to any of those families. And so my husband actually has more interesting characters than mine, but my favorite ancestors are my grandfather. His name is Cody Lee Lamaster. He died when I was three. I never met him, but the stories that the family have told about him have always intrigued me. And he is someone that I wish I had known. The other person that I actually as my ancestor that I only met recently in the last year or so is Job Curtis. So when I say met, I did not know about him because he's my eighth great-grandfather. He was the one who I got into the DAR with. He's my patriot. He also did not fight in the war. I have a document that says he provided wheat to George Washington's army. So, and I joined the DAR about a year ago. So those two are probably, I have tons of favorite ancestors. I don't, I say I don't have any boring ancestors. I don't think anybody has any boring ancestors. I don't care if they were poor dirt farmers. I believe anyone who walked on this earth has a story to tell. And so, so I don't have any non-interesting ancestors. That's awesome. My, I'm not a part of the DAR, but I could from it's the same thing. Like she's sold horses to people in the revolution. So, so you kind of mentioned a few, do you have any interesting stories to share about your ancestors or relatives that you found out? Oh, I have lots of stories. And my stories, the ones that I gravitate towards are the ones that are more tragic and, and, you know, and not necessarily happy stories. Cause I just think they, they make our ancestors so much more interesting. And a lot of times they explain why they did what they did. One of the stories is my great grandmother, Lula Kunrod Drummond. Her husband, William Sherman Drummond actually had her committed to an insane asylum. My grandmother, who was the youngest of 14 children, which has probably wise, you know, he did that 14 children, can you imagine, told me the story, said that he did that because he wanted to be with another woman. This was in 1940. And so back then the men had all of the power. And so I have the court records where that happened. And my grandmother told me the story of the day that they came to take her and they literally drug her out of the house. And all of her siblings were married and had children. And I often wondered, why didn't they not step in and do something? But the court system was pretty strong. She stayed in this asylum for 15 years. They let her out and she carried around and I have it the document in her wallet that deemed her as cured after 15 years. Wow. And she lived another 15 years after that. So that's an interesting story. I have a couple of, I have an ancestor named Stephen Thaddeus DeBolt. And in the 1930s, right now off the top of my head, I can't think of the actual date. I wanna say 1936. He was found in an alley in Wheeling, West Virginia. The cops picked him up, took him to jail, thought he was drunk, threw him in jail. The next morning he was dead. And so the newspaper accounts think that there was something fishy going on. Even mentioned maybe a mob hit. And so I've talked to a historian in the area and they said that in the 30s, that Wheeling, West Virginia was very, very prevalent with the mob. And so I like to tease people and say, I'm looking for the mob records now. And so being an archivist, I know there's no records that are named the mob records. But the other one too that's really sad that none of the family knew about was that my grandfather on my mother's side, Forrest Cecil Bartram, when he was a teenager, he accidentally shot and killed his brother while they were deer hunting. And so my grandfather never talked about it. My mother never knew anything about it. And so it's one of those things that was hidden for a very long time until I found it. I kind of actually happened onto that newspaper article as I was researching something else. And so he had already passed and so I couldn't ask him about it. So my stories are kind of sad, but to me that's what makes our ancestors come to life. Right, and I agree. And unfortunately some of the most documented ancestors are those ones that have the sad or tragic tales. It's either that or they're politicians. So that they're out there in the news a lot. But that is one of the great things about Wicked Tree is I love that white space we have, like a big white empty board and we can go in and anything we can add, like you said, even to the farmers that helps bring that person alive is great. So- I wanna know those genealogists that, I wanna know everything. I wanna know what they had for breakfast. I wanna know what their hobbies were. I wanna know all those things that are not in those formal documents. I want to know the store. I wanna know everything. So any small piece of information is wonderful. And when did you first discover Wicked Tree? You know, I think I became aware of Wicked Tree when it first came out because as a professional genealogist, you're always looking for resources and things for your clients. I am more of an expertise in paper records and archives, records that are not online. I tend to not do a tremendous amount of online research. I'll do some cursory stuff, but for the most part, I'm digging in records in archives because as an archivist, as a genealogist, I hate to tell you, but not everything's online. So that's where I do most of my research. Okay. Well, so what are your current brick walls that maybe we can bust down? I'm one of those that I don't like to say I have brick walls, first of all, it's not a denial thing. Because of the lack of time of working on a lot of my ancestors, I actually have more brick walls on my husband's side than I do on my side. But I'll just tell you this, some things that I would really like to figure out that I have worked on recently, and I say recently within the last 10 years. My family, the Bartram, my mother's maiden name is Bartram. Some of you may know that name because they were two very famous botanist named Bartram. John and William Bartram. I actually have two books that belong to my grandfather Bartram, right here. I don't think that they're in print anymore, they're hard to find about them. I have never been able to connect my Bartram family to that Bartram, to those Bartrams. And I know that my grandfather was very interested in seeing if we were related to them. So that's kind of one. And then another one which has been even more recent is I have a great-great-grandmother. Her name is Ida Isdador Bonnier. She married a default. Her husband died at a young, kind of a young age in the 40s, in his 40s. She remarried a gentleman by the name of John Talbert Renault Ladd, mouthful. They ended up moving to Oklahoma. Most of my family lived in Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio. They moved to Oklahoma just about the time that Oklahoma became a state. And I found records where they owned a furniture store in South Pulpah, Oklahoma. So I've been trying to find records for that store. I've been trying to find a photograph of the store. And so that's something that's probably the most recent that I worked on. And so you've kind of answered the last question, but I'll ask you anyways. And especially after watching Coral's week, what do you hope to get the most out of participating in the challenge this week? I think what I would like to get the most out of is I want to see what everybody finds. Because it doesn't matter if it's small, big, whatever it is, I'm gonna love it. And I hope that it encourages me or kick-starts me again to start finding some time to work on my own genealogy that it inspires me to do that because I work with clients. I have a full-time job and then I work in the evenings and I'll weekends with my clients. And so, you know, don't have a whole lot of time, but I hope that what they can find will encourage me to maybe find some time. Well, I'm sure we will find lots of good stuff for you, Melissa. We have not let anybody down yet. Oh, I've been watching y'all and just a fantastic, fantastic job, so. We have a great group of people. Yes, we do. I told everybody or when I was contacted, I said, you know, I've been doing this for so long, but a lot of my stuff is not online because I just don't have the time to do that. And so, I was a little hesitant. I thought, oh, I don't want people to go out there and do stuff that maybe I've already done or whatever, but I know you all are going to find some stuff I don't have because y'all are great. Well, we're so excited to work on your tree and we appreciate you letting us work on it and putting it on wiki tree and, you know, delving into it. So, do we have any questions from anyone or do you have any questions, Melissa, in general or any last anything at all before we kind of wrap up for the evening? Now, we would like to know if we can use any photographs that you have on your primary trees. Sure, yeah, yeah, you can. I put whatever I put on line, I put it on there knowing that anyone can use it for probably anything. I know that they're going to. But I share, I'm one of those that likes to share whatever I have discovered, whatever I have collected. I like to share with other genealogists because my family did not leave a lot for me as far as documents and photographs and things. I've had to really dig up a lot the last 31 years. And so, so, yeah, no, I like to share. And then we usually ask about DNA, but I heard you didn't get your DNA tested, so we don't have that. Shocker here, I have not done my DNA. To be honest, mainly it's a time thing, but also because I'm not really hitting the brick walls that would be, for me in my brain, what I would need to do DNA to knock down. I've been able to get pretty good in my family research. So someday I probably will, just to make those connections with cousins, living cousins and things, but not yet. Somebody's asking how Talbert was spelled. T-A-L-B-E-R-T. I believe if I'm not mistaken, Talbert Renault is actually a famous person, because I think I looked it up because I thought, where did that come from? So I think I Googled it or looked for it, and I think Talbert Renault is actually a famous person, but I can't remember why he's famous. Well, that, because apparently Barbara said there's a Tulsa Historical Society who might have information, but it's spelled differently, so. Well, they could have it spelled differently. He usually is referred to as John, a T-R-LAD. They usually do initials with that. Well, unless there's anything else, thank you, Melissa, thank you, Mindy, thank you, Karen, thank you everybody who is watching. Don't forget to like the video, subscribe, thumbs up to receive alerts, all that good stuff, and you can check us out at wikitrade.com, so on Friday, we have our Friday date night with Julie and A-1 usually, where we're gonna date lonely profiles. Saturday, 10 a.m., me, Mindy, and Mags, their weekly recap and a brief update for the challenge, and next Wednesday, same time, same place, we will be wrapping up Melissa's week and seeing what we found for her. So, unless there's anything else, we will probably wrap up, I'll probably go to sleep, who knows, it's getting late here. And with that, goodbye everybody, until next time.