 of Monday, September 23, 2013 of the Arlington Redevelopment Board. We've got an interesting agenda tonight. Not a lot on it as far as different pieces of the agenda, but I think we might be spending a little bit of time on a few different things. So before we do that, I just wanted to, if I could, speak for the board in saying that we were very sorry to hear about the death of Yammery Casey, who was a longtime member of the planning department here in Arlington, and a big help to the Arlington Redevelopment Board. And we just want to express our condolences and for her family and friends to know that our thoughts are with them, and we're very sad to hear of her passing. So for the board members, Carol had sent it to me just so you know the services, or they'll be visiting hours tomorrow from 4 to 8 at Keefe Funeral Home over at the cross from St. Agnes. And then the funeral will be on Wednesday at 10 AM from St. Agnes as well. But Carol, please express to the department certainly the board's condolences and hearing about it. I appreciate that. I appreciate it, too. So that's our sad news. And we're going to move directly into the first item of business. The first item of business is a discussion around the Arlington Redevelopment Board master plan and any objectives that we would like to make known to the advisory committee or anything else. I think in just testing the advisory committee, we kind of made known that we were leaving them a very open field to investigate and to start work on the master plan. And I'll let Carol get into it in detail, which would be very helpful. But I do know that there is people are talking about it around town, different commissions, different boards are talking about it. And one thought was is, well, we should probably do the same and make sure if there's anything that we want to make sure that's involved in it, then we make sure that that makes it into the record. So Carol, but I'll let you give an update on the master plan if you would and the exercise. Sure. The master plan advisory committee has been at work on drafting goals and a vision statement for the plan. The consultant is preparing to present the preliminary report, the baseline report. We expect that next month, end of October. It's not a requirement that boards have an objective for the master plan that's, in addition to or different than or in support of what naturally comes out of the public engagement process and that naturally comes out of the master plan advisory committee's work. But at the same time, I think it's important to the process and to the committee, the master plan advisory committee, and to the public to hear whether, at this point, this early point, whether the development board or the board of selection or the finance committee, key boards who will be called upon to implement the plan, and in the case of the redevelopment board, to approve the plan and actually make it policy, it's important to know at this early stage whether there is an official board position or objective for the master plan. It's not a requirement. And it's not even, I would say, we can clean it anyway. It's not called for in state law. But it was suggested by a member, excuse me, suggested during a stakeholder interview. And I think it's an intelligent suggestion because of how I've seen some master plan processes derailed in some instances. If a member of a key board, if you get too far along the process, and there hasn't been an opportunity for a member's concerns or objections to be heard or objectives to be heard, it then gets hard to distinguish whether it's an individual's opinion or a board's position. So it's important for the substance of the plan to know this now. It's also important strategically. I will repeat, it's not arbitrary. But I think it's a good exercise and it's good timing right now to ask the question and pick up the board to deliberate and consider whether it has an objective for the plan beyond what would naturally arise. I think one of the things where I was thinking is that we could go around and talk about different concerns, objectives that each of us has with respect to it. I'll give you my own philosophy on this a little bit is I certainly want to make sure that the advisory committee is aware of the different members' concerns and objectives for the master plan. I do think they're there to be advisory though. And to hamstring them, my own view is to hamstring them with actual kind of the redevelopment board thinks this. It's certainly happy to discuss it. My own personal view is that the redevelopment board thinks this. We start to kind of shackle them a little bit in their exercise. And while I think it makes perfect sense for all of us to kind of talk about what we're looking for out of the master plan process, I guess I would, in my own mind, be aware of turning that into more of a means of the board in the master plan process, giving the early, not early stages, but where they are in the process right now. So with that, that's my own belief. I guess if we can go down the road. Go and go down the road if that's OK with the board. I just want to echo what Mike led off with. And that is that I'm sensitive as the board is, in fact, the planning board for the town of Arlington works closely with the planning department under which hospices the master plan is being shaped or commissioned that our suggestions don't come across too heavy handed. I think it's really important for the advisory committee to receive input from the community at large and not have this feel like it's an inside job. However, having said that, I think that there are some things that we can keep on the agenda for the advisory committee that might be overlooked in the process if we didn't embrace it. And subsequently, there are two things that occurred to me that I would like to stress as objectives or at least should be very much in the discussion that the advisory committee is having. And the first is to improve the vitality, variety, and appearance of Arlington's commercial areas. I think as a redevelopment board, that's something that we're particularly sensitive to. And over the years, we've considered a lot of ways of implementing that goal. We've talked about form-based zoning as a vehicle, particularly in designated portions of the commercial areas that could help bring some new building development into town. I'm particularly encouraged by some of our more recent larger scale projects that have involved a public amenity, whether it's at Sims with the public parks, at the Alta site with the walkway that connects the bike path to the other little pocket park near the high school. And just to expand on that idea, I was thinking that with respect to larger site development that it provide a public amenity or have a multi-use function or have an installation of public art or some combination of the three. So the future development, and I think it will happen, but we want to shape it in a way that makes it accessible and sort of friendly to the public, takes place along those lines. I think we hear a lot about parking as a concern. And over the years, I think we've considered the possibility of structured parking or building a deck in a Russell Commons parking lot. So I think that should be part of the discussion, too. And then lastly, and this is sort of maybe dreaming a little bit, but the feasibility of a red line extension into Arlington Center without sacrificing the bike path. It's at least worthy of discussion. The other major thrust that I had, and I'm really going to defer to my colleague Andy West on this, but the development of the Millbrook Linear Park. I think this is an opportunity for the town. We can complement the district's existing attributes, its history, the past industrial use, but also create opportunities for new businesses to locate there with a mix that brings the public in and sort of invigorates some vitality in it. So I don't want to be on the point of time, so defer to my other colleagues. OK. So as the liaison to the master plan advisory board, I've been listening to all of their discussions most recently, especially about developing the goals. And they have a list of really good draft goals for each of the categories, for land use, for transportation, cultural, historical, artistic resources, these are the categories, natural resources, open space and recreation, public facilities and public finances, economic development, and housing. So they've been developing through a really comprehensive open process with the public. And I know we've been hearing about it, that there has been these open meetings with the public and they've gotten, I think, very good participation in each of these meetings. They divided their committee up into different groups to address these different categories, opened it up to the public, had very good response for the public, developed these goals based on what they heard from the public at those individual small meetings, but also at those larger meetings that we all attended at the Hardy School, the one that was in each area of Arlington, even from the World Café, the results that came out of the World Café and all the visions and goals, objectives that were all kind of mixed together that came out of those sessions. So because they're doing such a very open process and there's so much participation, I really feel that we should let them continue to do the work that they're doing in developing these goals and objectives. So I didn't come up with individual things. I think the things that Bruce picked up were mostly objectives rather than over our arching goals, which is what they're developing right now. The next step, I think after we get all of the resources from the consultants, right now, they're doing all the inventories and evaluations of all our different facilities and our resources, what we have historically, what we have in land use, what we had in the past, what we have now. They're compiling all of that, as Carol mentioned. In October, we're gonna start to get all of those reports on each of these different categories. And I think it's very hard to form very strong objectives until we have that information. And we can start to read through it and understand it fully and see what our exact situation is here in Arlington. There are some things that we've been talking about in the past which Bruce touched on, that the Millbrook certainly making sure that those things are included, in the Millbrook open space. But I think as we go through this process, we're gonna see what's missing and we have to pay attention to that. So we could come up with a few things now, but I think we're gonna be kind of redundant on what they're already coming up with. Because they're coming up, they've already touched on all the things you've said. They have a goal that, for transportation, to maximize access to transit bicycle pedestrian access, to look at innovative modes of transportation, which is the red line. Bringing the red line through is a more defined objective of that goal. So I can point out each goal that they've already come upon, that touches upon even the beautification of our public spaces, maintaining our streetscapes, improving them to revitalize our downtown. All of those are woven, I think, into all of these different goals. So right now they're doing a lot of words, nothing, to make sure that the goals read well, that they read well together, because there were so many different voices right now that developed the goals, because they did it through this public process. Yeah, so some of them are short succinct statements, others are three sentences that are all strung together. So Judy is really trying to, she's putting it up on a screen at the meetings, the actual Word document, and editing it right there in front of the whole committee to try to make them all start to read the same. It's a very arduous process with the committee. You know, how many do we have in the committee? 12, 11. It's a difficult process, and you get a lot of back and forth, and you start to really understand what they thought the public was getting at in the comments that they made, which is very interesting. The comments that they wrote down maybe didn't reflect that yet, but as the discussion goes back and forth to try to change the wording, you know, there's a lot of pulling, no, you can't change that word, because this is what it means, and this is what we're going after, not that. So I think the process is really exciting what they're doing, and the way they're coming up with things, and what they're taking from the public, and what they're saying, okay, we'll take part of this from the public, but we already know this, which needs to balance that a little bit more. So I think as we go through the process, we're going to be able to interject things that we might know of that are missing, like I haven't seen the mill broke at all, but we're on goals. We're talking about open spaces, connectivity, stewardship, environmental responsible development, you know, sustainability, there's a lot of big words that we're trying to hold down on and define what is sustainability as it comes to the environment, as it comes to fiscal management. So, you know, personally, I want to make sure that there are things in there that reflect Arlington's goals for the impacts of climate change, being prepared for climate change in the future, what are we as a community going to do for that? Making sure that those are, that whatever those objectives will be are woven into every single one of these goals, because I think that's a very big overarching goal that we as a community have already and should continue and strengthen. So that's one of my goals is to make sure that I see that in each one of the overarching goals and then we get to the objectives helping to define what can you actually do to make sure that climate change is addressed? Yeah, anything we can do to reduce our carbon footprint to make those impacts smaller here. Okay, so I think as the process goes on, I don't know if you agree, Carol, there's gonna be a lot more opportunities as we read through all the information that's coming out to interject even more. The objectives will get more specific once the goals are finished. Once those are down, then we'll get to more concrete steps. And you haven't even seen the goals because they're still in such a draft state. I have a little bit of an advantage because I've been seeing as they evolve. And any of you guys are welcome to come to any of those meetings. I know people are meeting down with other committees they're on and at work and everything else, but yeah, the meetings are getting interesting now. Haven't all been, but they're now getting interesting. When is that like ours, which are always interesting? The oddest. Yeah, ours are always interesting. Oh yeah, ours is gonna be really interesting after those meeting minutes. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Thanks for seeing me. Andrew? I think both Bruce and Christine make some really excellent points. I really do agree with Bruce. One of the things that I'd like to see is what he mentioned about the vitality of appearance of some of the commercial areas downtown. And hand in hand with that, what I'd also like to see is a really firm, concrete business retention expansion plan to use some existing commercial retail space that's here in town and doing it in a way that's sustainable and encourages growth in Arlington in a way that the businesses that are coming in are gonna stay here and are gonna provide benefit to the community. Speaking with some residents over the weekend, the town day, I found that there's a real interest in helping bring those kind of businesses in the town that'll stay here and not just be a two or three year flash in the pan or be sort of a fast-moving retail kind of business. So I think to see the town or the master plan reflect those ideas. That's great. Andy, have at it. I'll try to, you know, I'm very interested in Millbrook Linear Park and also in the Mill District. I kind of came about it through being the liaison to the open space committee and from the ARB and then we had a subcommittee where we looked at the, and Christine, I think you were part of that whole thing, but we looked at the linear park. And then we kind of began to think in an expanded way. And this is something I've been bringing to the board on occasion. So what I'm suggesting is that the Millbrook Linear Park, which is an open space idea, and then as well as the Mill District, which is really a holistic idea about development and sustainability and excuse. A development idea that those two things be recognized as we go into the master plan. And it's, I agree with what's been said already. I think one of the big things that keeps echoing in these workshops and also in the vision statement is how kind of lucky we are. What a great community we have. And the idea of community is so important to the future of the way our children are gonna live. I know that as an architect and master planner, we talk a lot about this. We talk about how people have a desire to live close to facilities, close to cities, but also have a sense of parks, have a sense of community via parks, good schools, neighbors and so forth. Arlington has a nice positioning as really, and I don't like to use that smart growth word, but it really is because it places itself between the city and the suburbs in a nice way. So the idea of the Mill District as opposed to the linear park is it's a bigger idea. And I'll just quickly read the headlines of the report that I brought out just to help kind of flesh it out and it won't be too long. It starts with the Mill District with the Bones. It's the area between the Bypath, which is I think either the top or the up there as the most used public park in the state, if not a bigger area, in terms of use, number of people use per year. That runs through the north side of this defined district. The south side of it is Mass Ave, which is a dream commercial corridor in some ways, though we all see the ups and downs of it and the history of it with its gas stations and it's this and that. But to have a commercial spine that intense and that well packed in is a dream for retail. It's a dream for commercial and so forth. So it's a real town center. It's a main street. So we've got a main street and we've got this recreational bike path. They both converge at Arlington Center and then they converge again at Arlington Heights. And it makes a kind of a shape like this where you have Arlington Center on the right in this case and you have Arlington Heights on the other side. And it's bounded again by Mass Ave and by the bike path. Right down the middle of it is the Millbrook Lydia Park. And they extend farther, the park extends farther and so forth, but there's quite an interesting opportunity for this potential heart. It actually is the heart. It's where all of the kind of the heavy industrial work that came about it, part of the history of Arlington was the mills and it was where a stream was, where the hills of each of the side came down and that's where the water was. And the water flowed through and that was used for commercial purposes and basically the life of the town was there. So it's quite natural that that became this heart of Arlington's where a lot of our commercial areas are right now. Dudley Street, for instance. So you also have, by the way, the Battle Road, which is the path of Paul Revere and so forth. And all the historical sites, which come through in different areas of the same area. You have key sites, some of the last large sites in Arlington, for instance, Myrack's site, Gold's Gym's site, Millbrook, which I'll get to in a minute, which, excuse me, what do we call our apartments at Shattuck's? Not yet, Ulta. Ulta, Ulta. That is actually an example of a large site that was developed in a mixed-use fashion. And then you've got all the cross streets and neighborhoods coming through it. So unbelievable bones and it's the heart of our town. It's actually, it's kind of there and we don't always recognize it. So the opportunity is there for bringing together a lot of the things that we look at as valuable in our community, that we think are valuable, I believe, about Arlington. And things that we can see going forward. We've talked about mixed-use. Larger sites, as they come available, could be designated for the possibility of not only industrial or commercial, but the blending in of residential in a well-considered way. We've all talked about, we want to preserve our commercial core and our industrial core. I completely agree with you, Andrew, that businesses that could latch on, that would find this kind of an area valuable, that woodworking shop, which is an extension of the school down in Boston is an interesting example. Secondly, so mixed-use, secondly, open space, that's the Millbrook Linear Park. It's a kind of a dotted line, so sometimes you see a lot of it and sometimes it's covered over. Like, it's not gonna be a continuous idea. It's gonna be a series of pocket parks, but it can be very recognizable. Bike path improvements can go along with it. Mass af commercial revitalization can go along with this whole district, historical tourism and sustainability. So if you think about those kinds of things, those basic opportunities. Again, mixed-use, residential, office, medical, professional, industrial, light manufacturing, arts and crafts industry, retail, restaurants, health and wellness, education and culture. There's all these things already in it. So how would we master plan that area to allow that to continue to happen? Open space, it's a different kind of a park, but Arlington has all different kinds of parks and it's probably, I think, personally, it's the strongest thing that I like about Arlington is the parks and the beautiful streets and the trees. The opportunity for this Millbrook district is to then mandate or allow improvements to that linear park, the brook, to happen as developments go through. So in development, we might say, okay, you can build this many units and we'd like you to incorporate educational institution or commercial institution, but you have to upgrade your part of the Millbrook. Oh, great, that's just what I wanted. I have a little brook there and I'm gonna place my restaurants along that edge or whatever they do. So it won't be a hindrance, it will become an opportunity for these businesses. The Millbrook can be that focal point. So each development, as it goes along, could say I've got an interpretation of Millbrook. Just as the mills did, they used it, okay, they used it for X, Y, Z. This is not to be a pure idea. This could be many interpretations as it is right now. Sometimes it's channelized, sometimes it's in a beautiful little glen, other times it runs under little bridges and so forth, so there can be lots of permutations. It's quite an interesting idea and it was brought out years ago. I think if the master plan was done, Christine, there was a graduate student who did it for the town. Was it the late 17s or early 18s? I think so. It was a long time ago. And one important thing about it is a more relaxed, open space alternative to the bike path. So you can meander from the high-speed bike path and the elderly don't wanna go and be run over by either runners or bikers or something, it could be a little intimidating. So now you can enjoy the bike path, come in and off it, come off it and back on it and have another public space area that you can enjoy so you don't feel, you know, I'm either here or there. I've got an alternative as an open space. Bike path improvements, we already saw that on the altered development. I think that's along with improving Millbrook. You can contribute to the bike path. Massive commercial revitalization don't need to say much more about that except what's really cool is that these cross streets that keep going through. Some of them have the green bridges, which are the old bridges of the, so there's a real personality to this thing. So let's say you're on the bike path and like you do at Lexington, I gotta get to Lexington because I'm gonna peel off and I'm gonna go to a particular coffee shop. We want that to happen. We want you to peel off at Brattle Street, learn a little bit about the historical aspect and walk up Brattle Street, which is about less than a quarter of a mile to the Brattle Square, what's called Brattle Square, and that's where you buy your coffee and you have, and then it's a bike path and then it eats up. But the Millbrook is in between, so it kind of makes that transition. So the cross streets are a big deal, as well as the two centers, Arlington and Arlington. Historical tourism, that's something that we all talk about as something that we could capitalize better on and why not do it as a part of a story about the Millbrook, which is the history of Arlington, at least add on to the current kind of battle road idea and then sustainability, which is really walkable. I mean, one aspect of it is that people can live if there's older age communities or and younger and businesses. I think people like to be around everything. They don't want to be often and at least a lot of the thinking now is not to be in an old age community that's off somewhere else, but you can be in the action and mix with people that are young, old, whatever. So I think if we think about it that way in that kind of sustainability, it can be pretty potent. So, I think it has a strength in that it connects Arlington Heights and the center. I think that's kind of a way to give a more cohesive feeling to our whole Mass Ave corridor, kind of realize you're going from one end to the other and you're seeing this hat kind of unfolding in between. These are just kind of things we talked about going forward and that was a little bit of ancient history. But lastly, kind of wanted to point, there's a little mission statement here, but I think basically for tonight I'm saying it would be interesting if it would be nice, I think that we could recommend that the master plan recognize some of these ideas. And I wrote down a great start because the development of ALTA really was a nice mill district development. It has medical office, which was already there. It has shattics. It has new retail that we mandated or we were able to get as a board. It has 200 units. Maybe we would want less, whatever it is. But as an end, it has an improvement of a pocket park which was done on the linear park way with funds from the development and they improved the bike path. So it's kind of a little mini model for how you could do development in that district, but the more master planning thoughtfulness about what we could get into that, the better opportunities we could bring to the area, particularly those big sites, but really all the sites, but particularly the big sites where there's quite a bit of opportunity more than there is anywhere else in Arlington, I think except for the New York site. So for those reasons, I think it's a very interesting place where all the DNA of Arlington kind of could be exhibited. The things we like about Arlington are there right in the middle and we can foster them. So I don't think it's implanting a new idea in a way. It's almost just saying, let's look at what we like about Arlington and make sure that that happens in our heart, which is the potential mill district. I think because the mill broke and so compromised right now, it's a fabulous opportunity to improve the water quality, to improve the stability of the banks. Every project that goes in and any vicinity of the mill broke should be more environmentally responsible than less, but they don't really be stressed. And I would absolutely, and I would say that the mill broke linear park is in itself a great idea and should always be part of our open space objective. But I'd like to add on to it, I suggest I would like to suggest that we add on to it some thinking about how that zone, the mill district that we defined, could be a bigger idea in a way than just the park. It's really an opportunity to accomplish a lot of the goals that they're already setting right now. Right, put them into action. I think it's funny as I listen, thanks, Andy, and as I listen to everybody, it's kind of chomping at the bit for the master plan. And I think if there was an overarching kind of theme as I'm listening, it's that especially since we see it up close and personal, weekend and week out, I think what you're hearing to some extent is as far as commercial vitality and certainly open space and the spine of the town, is I think sometimes, I don't want to speak for the committee, but myself, you feel like you don't have the right tools, not that you don't have any tools, but in order to be able to do the things. As you mentioned, Andy, it's all there. It just needs like different things to be kind of push, pulled, back, forth. And I think one of the things that's exciting about the master plan for me as we get through the goals and we move to objectives is a lot of what we are talking about is probably more on the objective side and to keep it possibly. But I think we're chomping at the bit for those tools to be able to accomplish those goals through objectives. But I don't know, I don't know what other folks feel like that, but I think that with respect to mixed use and with respect to certainly taking these bigger parcels and being able to be creative and encourage creativity. And I think that's difficult for us sometimes is to encourage creativity for the developers and the folks who are on the parcels. It could be that once we get into the objectives, that just like I was thinking climate change, the impacts of that should be woven into each one of these. The mill district concept should also be woven into each one of these categories through their objectives. I think that's a way to start to accomplish what do you think of making sure that it is in that. What tools you need, what tools this board and the town requires in order to be able to accomplish some of these things. Do we have the tools in place right now to be able to meet our goals? Guessing we're gonna see that the advisory committee says, no, we need some help in that regard. I don't think the advisory committee knows anything about the mill district. That hasn't come up yet, has it? It came up at the Cambridge Savings Bank workshop. I know I've heard it a few times, but I don't know if it necessarily understood to this scope and so it might be worthwhile for me to ask you if you'd come in. I was thinking the same thing to one of the meetings, maybe even to the next meeting as they're writing goals of all the goals that we've been taking for a while. I need to get done on a schedule, right? It's just something they should, I think they should consider. Maybe see for the objectives. They may have a different take on how to do it. The next meeting is pretty focused on the continuing of the work from last week on the goals, but the October meeting agenda isn't fixed and that might be a good opportunity if you're willing. We could bring it up at the next meeting and ask the committee what they think. I don't, I want to say it's October 3rd. I'll get you the date to see if you're... Oh, that's right around the corner, that's next week. Yeah, which makes me wonder if that's next Thursday. Correct, because to have three meetings three weeks in a row. We do, we have a lot. Okay. I think we have three in a row. Do you have the date to be planning a chance? I don't feel sure that we're gonna have the date. Have the date. Yeah, the October meeting. Yeah, I think so, we got very easily. Well, you're looking for that. Yes, the third. It is, okay, 7 p.m., I'm sure. All right, so, Andy, if you want to check your availability, I'll check with the co-chairs to see it. I know I'm in New York the day before, and that's been the second, so I have to make sure I can be back. Right, I understand. If Andy can't maybe between you and I, we could try, we could make copies of this and make sure everybody has it. I've sent this as a PDF to you, who could feel it, and also I think to everybody, but I'll refresh you if I have it. I have it, unless you've changed it. No, unfortunately. I still have it. I wanted to make a nice version of it with your GPS camera. I'm no Andy West. I know, it'll be hard for us to duplicate what he just said now. So, first choice is to try. We have the video, we could just play it. No, I would love to be there. I would love to be there. We could play it, I mean that would be, if you can't do that. It's good in person. It is, of course. First choice. Well, it's really great to hear you run through this again, Andy, because I think it really is a great idea. The more I think about it, the better it sounds to me. So I think, having you make that presentation would be great. You know, one of the things that, I think when I first began to think about it, I'd say, well, okay, you've got to, you know, the old Schwann Mill here, and you've got the coat of the rocks over here as the battle site, people really gonna want it. I mean, are those big enough attractions for people to make that connection? And I think that what happens is if you try, if you realize this, the park itself, or the district itself becomes the attraction. Right. You don't have to hit all the points of interest in any one trip, but you know, I mean, people go to the High Line in New York because of the High Line, not because of the, you know, buildings that are adjacent to it. So the linear park on a more minus scale would become like that too, and you know, and then if you mix in, you know, a cafe or you've got a nice walk along the brook, brought that to life along the lines of what you're saying first thing. Is it the open spaces there? Yeah, and maybe, you know, through some sort of constructed dialogue with the private property owner saying, you know, if you put up some sort of amenity or cafe space that's adjacent to the town-owned property next door, you're gonna really have some synergy there where people are gonna wanna come visit that place because they also can, you know, lounge out on the grass by the brook or something like that. And then all of a sudden you've got, you know, some chemistry happening there. So I'm really intrigued by that. And I think you make the presentation really same. You make it, every time I hear you do it, I think this is the third time for me. Which is good. I hear something different and I understand it that much deeper. It's a really, it's a very complex, but simple idea at the same time. There's so many facets to it. The danger is getting it too diverse. I'm just looking for specific ways and it would be done in an incremental way the same way the park is being done. But these little pocket parks, little beautiful gems, they're just fantastic. I used to take my kids to a little park around the wreck, the one that's just before you get to the Rick's Center. It's almost a pull-off of the, of the bike path. You can have a little picnic there and that kind of thing. So I think it can be quite powerful even though it's quite modest. And for all the development to start to take advantage of the Millbrook as an asset. Yeah, and they've done it, they've adapted to it in various different really bizarre ways. It's kind of fun to walk along it. We did, we did with Annie LaRoya and the, Oh, did you? Yeah, we walked the whole thing and there's some really wild stuff going on. I mean, just the diversions and channelizations and sometimes it's just beautiful. And then it runs under a little neighborhood. It's pretty amazing. The smallest house in Arlington is on the Millbrook at Brattle. It's actually a house. It's as big as this table and it's right next to the brook. We should buy that house. That's a treasure. That little house, we should buy that and just have it as a little way station or something. I mean, cool stuff could happen and people will get it, say, you should come there. Let's go to the bike path. Cause then you go, I really want to go down whatever Grove Street. It's really cool. You can see where the brook comes out. And you hear it rushing through there. If you go down to Grove Street, by the tennis courts, public park, part of the linear park potentially. It goes all the way back into the woods and there's a bridge that crosses over it. That kind of wood bridge. So if you go from Dudley Street, you can cross through as a channeling fence, but you can kind of work it there. All those little moments can be a whole another dimension to the public space network that we already have. But I do think it's important for the advisory committee to hear about it because in doing so, then as they're doing the goals, you won't see anything that says mill brook in it, but what you will see is them taking it into account as they're grafting that up. And then when you get to the objectives, you can certainly get a lot more specific with it, but it's good at this point in time to make sure that they've got that overlay. Even the consultant. Pardon the phone. If Judy and her team hasn't considered it as they're starting to do the inventory, yeah. Well, I could go with, if there was a date that worked, I could go also with Ann, the lawyer. Ann is on the master plan committee. She's on it. She's on it. She's the one. So she can help foster that, yeah. Does that committee still meet the mill brook? It's just kind of, you know, laying low right now. It had kind of stopped meeting when I started to try to join it. I believe they were connected. I think I got an email on that. Yeah, just sending the committee. Exactly. Oh, no, not Christine. I wonder if it's, they kind of came to a roadblock. No, we just reached a point where we now need to start seeing real implementation. And I think that the planning department was beginning to look at it, but now it can be rolled into the overall. That was the idea that it would go over to the master plan. So, but again, I've had trouble because I try to tell people it's the mill brook, but then it's not just a park, not just the brook. And it's not just the open space. That are around it. It could potentially be this really big idea about Mass Ave and like that. Summer Street in some cases. Right, the hall. Right. If you can get people walking through, remember what we did again at the apartments, if you're getting in the Alta. You loop around from the bike path down the steps, remember? And through and you end up at near the high school right at that pocket park on the brook, which is one of the nicest parts of that brook that runs along the side of 22 Mill Street office. It would be great if there was a set of stairs up to CVS or up to one of those streets like that dead end one called Ryder Street or whatever it is. That would be really cool, but you still hook around and you go back up Mill Street. So people will, I guarantee you, they will take their baby carriage and they'll take a little walk around and they'll stop and they'll have a little bite to eat, whatever. They'll use that park like that because there's a connection from the bike path to Mass Ave, where they wouldn't if it was a dead end. So the connections through it are really key. Mm-hmm. Christine, I have a question based on your role as the liaison to the advisory committee. You brought us up to date with sort of where they are and trying to work out, you know, the language for goals. Would our input be premature at this point or is it timely for us to try that? I think it's timely as the goals are being considered. They're more objectives, I think some of what we're talking about, which is the next step and as they're writing the goals right now, there's a lot of objectives that come up and they get pushed back down because it's not time yet to get into the detail of objectives. So in that respect, maybe we're just a little bit early. Just to remain to the concept of connections, that's something that the committee realized was a common asset in Arlington. Connectivity of amenities throughout town, of our transportation modes, of our very packed, dense neighborhoods of our commercial districts, our parks and our social connections in Arlington through recreation, through the neighborhood schools. The fact that the Milbrook concept is all about connections, interconnectivity in Arlington I think makes it quite relevant to the direction the plan is taking. But I do think it's not too early to demonstrate that this is one really important and overarching connection concept. I sometimes think of these three as a breed. They create a breed because they do cross in two or three places and boy, what an asset to have. Oh, it's fantastic. The whole vision statement is about connectivity because that was the common thread that everybody saw coming in and out. Given that, I mean, I think that it does make, Andy, if you can make it there, to kind of pretend that it'd be great, hopefully that works out. I'm not sure otherwise other than commercial improved vitality, accessibility and appearance of the commercial, that kind of vitality of the spine that we've been talking about for a while. And I think that's very high on the minds of the advisory committee folks as well. I mean, I think if we want to stress to them that, keep at it, that's obviously a focus for this board. I wonder whether that isn't enough for you to be able to kind of go back with those few things to them versus maybe, I think what some boards might be doing is more formal recommendations, et cetera. I don't think I'm there on the formality of that at the goal stage. Certainly as we work our way through and we see the goals, if there are tweaks that we expect to make or whatever else, we certainly should have our opinions be known. I just whether, I think from a formality, absolutely missing. The tweaks, the wordsmithing is something that. Fair enough, yeah. We don't want to get into it. No, you're right. But everything that we have said here today other than the mill district concept is in here and they've been discussing it and talking about it. Don't you think we haven't said anything new? Not in regard to commercial districts there and working that's revitalizing it, making sure that vitality remains. Sustainability of businesses as well. There's parking that supports that sustainability and I would see that we're looking for. Making sure there's mixed use, that there's form-based zoning. All of those things, I think, are part of what's being discussed already. For the notes, if I could review Bruce, who said to improve vitality, variety, and what's your favorite appearance, thank you. And then Andy, if I may. I'm saying recognize two. You mentioned three things and then you said those are two important things, so I want to be sure I'm not. Two important things is the Millbrook Linear Park as a contribution to our open space and the Mill District as an opportunity for mixed use, for a community heart is really to be the bigger picture. But the Mill District as a third element is really a bigger idea about connecting bike path, a new linear park and Mass Ave and helping the three of them be better utilized for the community. Good, okay, thank you. So it sounds like the board is satisfied if there's an opportunity for Andy to communicate this directly to the Mass Public Advisory Committee. I hope that works out. I think it's coming out of the open space group as well, so it's not. Oh no, but I think you presented it as well. I just wanted to say too that Cambridge Savings Banks, a few people who participated in that workshop mentioned it, and at one other, I'm not sure if I recall whether it was the Hardy School. I mentioned it at the Hardy School, but okay. So it got on one of the papers. But whether this vision is understood, I doubt. So I think it would be quite worthwhile for you to be able to communicate it with us. Yeah, not the depth of it, but it's not understood. Yeah, okay. And understands it, I'm sure, but other than her. I did provide to the consultant the report that the open space committee did. Okay, good, good, good. But the committee itself would benefit from you. Mass Public Advisory Committee. I just confirmed this the third. I'll make sure I can. It is effective. And you'll check your schedule. I will make sure I can actually do it in their body. That can't happen, maybe we can work together to see when it's opportune for you and as many members as possible. I would think they'd be open to having a meeting just for this. Great. Okay, good. Thank you. Thank you. I wanted to ask Annie too. Had that committee ever gone around to other committees like the tourism committee? Tourism didn't exist at the time? Oh, it didn't exist? Not really. Because that would be important to start to get all the different committees in town, tourism being one of the prime ones, to understand that concept also. I know that our historian, Richard Dunney. Yeah, Richard Dunney, he has some great images of the old district or it's a 60 foot drop from the top to the bottom and from the reservoir. So it connects the reservoir, which is in Arlington, right? That itself is just, you guys have all been up there, it's a beautiful area to walk. So if you can highlight that too, it's part of it. Yeah, it goes through Cook's Hollow, we all love it. Yeah, exactly. Which could have been even better. Yeah, it may still be one day. One day. It's actually something I think that, I mean, I shouldn't say this in jinxed, but it's easy to get behind because it is part of Arlington. It's not like you're bringing out something that's radically new about the town, it's right there. It's just, it's in a way, it's preserving, it's a conservative code. Right there, but it's fragmented completely. And it can be lost completely because it's so fragmented and underutilized and invisible in most areas. It surfaces, you know, Cook's Hollow, it surfaces, you know, in a few pocket parks already, a few of the new developments, but it's still so fragmented. Well, thank you. Now, onto the next agenda item, which is a lot of fun. Bear with us. Several minutes. And we've probably got a stat close to this, possibly for the next meeting. There are five additional sets of items here and four from 2012. Okay, so we've got these two, nine more, not enough. Yeah. Are you getting water? I'm gonna get water. Yeah. Okay, we're gonna get a couple minutes. We're gonna develop four views more than four. Let me retrace it. The last two years here. We didn't go into recess, so you can keep it on. Yeah, we're still meeting. Yeah. Every development board had a lot. Can we just leave it at that? Yes. More than most committees. It certainly has. Yeah, so we're still, we're certainly just gonna walk through it. Followed away. Yeah, catch up. Yeah. Between this meeting, next meeting, and maybe one after. We'll have to see. Well, thank you, Carol, for throwing us all together. I mean, this was when I saw them all. I was quite surprised myself. You outdid yourself. Well, I realized that we were, missing minutes from last year. Oh, yeah. Quite surprised, so I apologize that I put the board in this position. Well, thank you. We'll get through it. Okay, so let's go through the minutes. The first one, you might have it in a different place, so it's very short, and it says on the top, April 23rd, 2013. So we're not gonna get my date. No, PR, that should actually be April 23rd, 2012. So that's my first, so on this one, yeah, it took me a little bit on this, but that should be April 23rd, 2012. Bruce is actually the chairman, so you can take the chair out of after my name. And then Mr. West actually, I can't believe I had this, but moved to adjourn at 7.55 because that was the first night of town meeting for 2012. You are detail-oriented, man. So he is. Are we sure these aren't 2012? I'm positive. I wonder how I would have such a specific time. Well, actually, well, the title of it, the title of the actual file name says April 23rd, 2012. Okay. And if you look on the, if you look at the dates, because I was scratching my head saying that sounds like the first day of town meeting, I went back and looked at the warrant, and it was indeed the first day of town meeting. Were we under construction on sins April, 2012 to hear the blast horn? Yeah, yeah. We were, okay. They were blasting at that point. In fact, that's exactly what they were doing. So that's another, maybe indicator. 7.55. Yeah, it wasn't 2,000 because that would have only been four months ago. It wouldn't have been 2,035. Yeah. That should change to 7.55. That should be 7.55 because we will have left before town meeting. And that's why we, because that's the first night, so we were on, I believe we got our teeth handed to us only a while later. Good times. Good times. What was the second year? It was for the audience. So yeah, I think we still have the bruises to show. That's what I had on this one. Did anyone have anything else? I had a few things. You have a few? Yeah, sure. Do you want? I'll be lost. Okay, I just had a few things. The second sentence, that the blast horn four cannot be heard. I think the four could go out of there. Blast horn cannot be heard. Yeah, good point. And I was thinking the paragraph that starts with Jake Upton or the sentence should stay underneath when we were talking about Sims. Yeah, kind of switch the board then. Yeah, and the board then discussed could come underneath that. Just switch those two lines. Probably didn't happen in that order. Maybe we bounced back and forth, but it seems it would be easier to read it in the future if they were together. That's all. Oh, and documents used. Did we use any documents here? Like the town meeting warrant articles made? I guess we would have used the warrant articles. I guess, but I'm not sure you have to. We were just discussing that. Yeah, we were just discussing. I'm not sure we have to attach stuff. I mean, the warrant is the warrant, it's the public document. You have to attach them, but we need to just state what documents were used, right? Or do you have to attach the documents also when you do that? Well, it would be our own board presentation. I mean, it was actually our report that we would have been looking at at the time. Right. So, I guess you could just say that document used was the redevelopment board report of 2012. Board report to town meeting. Andy, Andrew, I know you're all set. I know you're all set. Okay. Andy, Andrew's gonna be mainly all set. I think I was still set. Yeah, I think you're all set. Yeah, I think you're all set. It's gonna be the last one, so forgive us for going in this order. Yeah, I think I'm all set, too. I have a question, though. When I marked this up, I said in the second sentence, the blast horn to warn of demolition cannot be heard. Is that, I mean, do people understand what the blast horn refers to? Yeah, I think that's fine. We do, but other people probably don't. Okay, so just to warn of demolition would follow blast horn. That's all I have. I'll see if folks have covered. Are you okay with that, Carol? Yes. So I'll move to approve as amended. Second. Second. All approve? Aye. Okay, now we're gonna move to June 3rd. Was that all five of you? Four. Four, because he's gonna be abstaining from everyone other than the last ones, so I think he'll just be abstain. I was writing, I think, when you had that discussion just now, so I follow it does. No, no, no, no, no problem. No, we didn't talk about the formality of it, so that makes sense, I think. Did anybody tell you a good job in all these meeting minutes? Yeah, we should say that over and over again. Yeah, no, I think we did, but let's say it again. Thank you. Okay, so now we're on to June 13th, 2012. I think just for clarity, let's go around the table, Bruce. Okay, sure. In the third paragraph that begins, Mr. Fitzsimmons stated that steps, the board would schedule time that sentence. I think it reads better if we just got rid of a word steps, so. Okay, I'm sorry, I was still writing on the previous set. Can you continue with the paragraph? Third paragraph, first sentence. Oh, yes. The word steps that appears in that first line. If we strike that, the rest of the sentence reads fine, and it makes more sense. And then in the sixth paragraph, which begins the executive session having ended, towards the end of that line, we can strike the word thub if it appears before Mr. Care. Thank you. And then at the very end, turn the period into a paragraph and add with Mr. West acting as chairman from temporary. So just at the end of that sentence. This Mr. Fields resumed open session of the meeting with Mr. West acting as chairman pro temp. Hacking. Two paragraphs later that begins Mr. Fields move to accept the letter from the town engineer. In the second sentence, I think the word should be find not fund. Let the board find that the special condition test, et cetera, has been met. And that's all I had. So on the third paragraph, this is maybe a question, third paragraph sentence after the shelter groups, capital and equity and financing. Is it capital and equity financing? I think so. Maybe there's no end in between equity and financing. I think that's correct. Capital and equity financing. So that's one more word to get out of that and. Did you catch for that one? Right before the fifth. Capital and equity, is that what you just said? Capital and equity financing. Okay. No end between the equity and financing. Okay. And then documents used. Did we use the agreement regarding the deed restrictions in LDA dated June 12th, 2012? We kind of referenced that in here. So documents used and just cut and paste from the third paragraph, the agreement regarding deed restrictions and land disposition. Andy? Yeah, I was going to change it into in the care versus Mr. Care, but that's okay. I decided to go with myself in the third person. Okay, next. Okay, I'm sorry, motion. I'll move to approve as amended. Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay, June 13th, everybody else. I go to June 25th, 2012. Bruce, I'm sure you probably caught the ones I've got so I'll let you go. Okay, so the first is really a more stylistic comment than anything, but in the third paragraph that begins Sims, Environmental Design Review, what I would suggest doing is instead of having David Holland, comma, the shelter group, say David Holland of the shelter group, but often partners, Eric Anderson of Procon Architects and Katya Pisadlo of Blaire Heinz Associates presented the updates. And then before you get to the details of that presentation, maybe do their presentation touched on the following points, and then you could bullet point the various things that are listed there. So again, it's not really substantive, it's just a little easier to read. After those five items, the next paragraph that starts Mr. Care noted that the rendered plan, there's a extraneous comma after Mr. Care, or after the word Mr. And then I think that there's the word as which you meant has. Thank you. In the following paragraph. I think just the only other thing I had on that was it says Mr. Anderson said that they, I think could underress that and other, because I think it just needed a thing. Sorry, I just made it while we were on it. Yeah, that looks good. And then in the next sentence that begins horizontal will be added, I would flush the sentence out. My suggestion would be to say something like it was agreed that a horizontal design element will be added at the stone water table line to help mitigate the height or visual impact of the height of the building. Yeah, that's good, I had that one too. To mitigate the height of. I guess the visual impact of the height of the building. Of the stone wall. Of the stone wall. What's the stone wall? It wasn't a stone wall, it was the foundation, it was a stone base of the building. Right, of the assisted living facility building. Yeah, because we decided that we wanted to make it real or more horizontally than vertically. Why is it being called the stone water table? It's just a stone band. A stone band. A stone band and a stone base. I don't know if it's at the water table or not. I think it's in addition to the water table band. The water table is the bottom band. Okay. So this is just, should say, horizontal stone band will be added on the stone wall to mitigate its apparent height. Okay. The stone foundation wall, you could say. The horizontal, the horizontal stone band. You've got a horizontal. The horizontal stone band will be added to the stone wall to mitigate its apparent height or to reduce its apparent height. Something like that is okay. That's fine with me. I think we got some things thrown in the water table there. You could say, add to the stone foundation wall. Did I say that? This is the next one's a famous one. I thought that was okay, so I'm gonna go because it'll never look exactly. I wasn't at this meeting, you guys did well on that, honey, look. I went at it. Once I figured out what the heck it was, Mike was the man for us. Yeah, once I figured out which tree this was. They don't inspire fans who might actually win. No, no, and when we lost. Yeah, that's what you ended up with. Some of the cultivars are nicer, so. Oh, I don't need to see it. There's, where it says rip wrap, that should say on the rip wrap slope. On the rip wrap slope, yeah. Okay, I see. And then I guess my last comment was on the vote and where it reads Mr. Fields moved to approve the 50% drawing subject to the condition that an alternative to the honey locust be provided that the number of battens and the pattern be increased and an extra horizontal band and be added to the stone base. So it's just a little bit of switching up of the syntax of the verbs there just to get a little bit of flow. But subsequently, that's fine. You may want to note the documents used again. 50% assisted living plans and some were used. The interim declaration of conservation restrictions was used, there must have been a list of street names that were used. There was a letter up on the third paragraph because we're referring to the shelter group letter RE interim declaration of conservation restriction. So there must have been a letter. Letter regarding interim declaration. There were no, there was nothing in the notes about. Yeah, I don't think it was. I don't think we got a letter. I think that was just. I mean, do you have to know what they presented with? They presented the 50% plans. Yeah, well, I think the 50, I think we should say the 50% assisted living plans. Like that, I think everything is just kind of incorporated within that. Oh, the only other thing I had is, I think I was just an extraneous chair after my name, that's what, okay. My takeover had to start, well, although I was thinking about it way back then. Plot. Suddenly, suddenly, yes, suddenly. Exactly, it was a little bit of anything else. That's why Carol added on there. I'm gonna be plotting how not to share. Yeah, exactly, trust me, I don't think anything happening, that was it. That was a thing. I've tried to give it back several times already. I've definitely tried to give it back several times already. She said no backsies. Carol, I definitely will give you a minute, but I just wanted to see anyone have anything else on those, or are we good? That's good. Okay, I'll move to approve as amended. Second. All in favor? Aye. So that was two abstentions on that, Christine as well, because she wasn't there. Okay. Thank you, Carol. Carol, I just had a thought on why that was later on that very first seven minutes. I wonder if it's because we kept meeting over that. I'll give it an over. Is it good, Penny? It's a shiny one. Maybe that's what she did. You're giving her more credit than we were. So, well, I could see that happening. But we would have gone later than the time was on the draft. Yeah, well, but dang it. Especially given that night. Yeah, all right, you might be right. Next, I go to July 23rd, 2012. Before we get into it, I just have a couple of small things that I want them to have at it. Oh, did I skip the line? This is 2012. So this is, yeah, this is rather long. You just said July 23rd, right? July 23rd, 2012. Yeah, okay. Okay, my couple of small changes. First off, Fitzsimmons just has another M. In the first paragraph, the identical five down just has an extra I in it. I'm sorry, can you? I'm sorry. I was doing that same thing with that other set. Apologize. So just Fitzsimmons, just add an M to the top. Thank you. On the roll. In the first discussion box, five lines down. Identical just has an extra I, not a big deal, obviously. Three words from the right. So it's identical. Now, and then the only thing I had as well is that the attachment carol has some red lines on it. You just need to accept the red lines. Oh, okay. On the July 23rds. Dude is still showing his red lines. If you don't have it, I'll put it down there. You mean the, on the memo? No, I'm sorry. It's the EDR review, not the special permit, sorry. So it's the EDR review for the Low Park at Sims. Okay. It just has a red line on it that just needs to be, it just needs to be accepted. I mean, it looks fine. I just, I'd rather, you know, we should just not have the red line up on as the official record. And now for more substantive things, Bruce. I'm just going to ask my colleagues if I'm remembering this correctly. So the LLC that owns the land for the assisted living facility is shelter development LLC of which shelter group is the managing member. Does that sound right or? I think that does sound right as well. Yeah, because I think that I asked the question to Mr. Holland, you know, what the relationship was between shelter group and shelter development. And I think that's right. So, and currently you may be able to check on this, but I think it's, my reason for saying, I think I've got it right is later on in that second, I guess it's the third box where it says document used exhibit F it identifies shelter development LLC. So I think that's the redeveloper. So back to the second box, about the fourth sentence that he that reads, he then explained that shelter development will be, and I said, strike managing member at that point and say, and the word be and say, will own land and improvements semi-colon shelter group shelter group is the managing member of shelter development. Okay, so he then explained that shelter development will own land and improvements. So take out will be managing member. Yeah. Take that out. And then, keep the, I guess I had a semi-colon and I said, shelter group is the managing member of shelter development. Yeah, okay. So again, I got rid of identical identical to shelter group and say semi-colon shelter group is the managing member of shelter development of shelter development LLC or shelter development. You don't need the LLC. And then the next one, Carol, if you're ready, the equity investment in the entity is provided by shelter developments and net worth individual investors. Okay, do we, okay, the, I'm sorry, investment? The equity investment in the entity. In the entity. Is provided by shelter developments and net worth individual investors. Shelter development possessive. Yeah, yeah. Okay. The equity investment. Yeah. In the entity. Is provided by. Is. And then get rid of is. Yeah. Shelter developments, high net worth individual investors. Right. And then the last one, it's in that box with each bright few project has its own ownership entity. Okay. Over on page two, there's full paragraph there that begins with Katya Katziadlo in A reads front entry canopy expansion. I think you want to say means. Let's think of the next paragraph that starts in Mississippi, ask which trees would be used, et cetera. There's about two lines later after that paragraph ends. And we're back to talking about Miss Katziadlo and then Miss Sipinski again. I would take that line that reads Miss Sipinski asked them to use a cultivar, not the straight species and move that up to the previous paragraph. So it all kind of, you know, fits together. Okay. I was going to suggest a bit of a rewrite of that item. See. Mm-hmm. It wasn't clear to me what you were saying when you said compromise on six little leaf linen where larger trees can be done on retaining wall. Was thinking maybe you could scratch that first sentence and just say they kept honey locus street trees above the retaining wall due to the narrow five foot wide plant bed adjacent to the five foot wide sidewalk. They did have a mix though. Yeah, they have a mix of the two. They did. That's why. Yeah, we got rid of some, we just didn't get rid of all. Yeah. Right. It wasn't my complete thing. I see. I see. I didn't quite remember that. Of course. Okay. Oh, so then maybe that makes sense, okay. Yeah, right over here. That's why it didn't make sense to me, okay. Because I didn't remember that. That five foot plant bed and five foot sidewalk that's just hanging out down there. Well, I think we were talking about bringing that whole thing up to, yeah, to, I guess even that, it might be hanging out there. Yeah, it's still hanging out. Yeah, it's still hanging out. We could just start that five foot plant bed. Yeah. And then if you add that last sentence to the end of the other part of the item. Okay. Anything else, please? H, Mr. Pitson is coming at the large porch area. I think we need the word include. Before we just leap into the rentals. H three, we're talking about the height of the temporary sign and how many feet above off the ground it needs to be. And I think that the first reference was no more than 10 feet at its highest point. And then on the fourth line, no more than six feet off the ground at its lowest point. Does that sound like what we're talking about? That's right. Is this Mill Street? No, we're still on the temporary sign at, oh, maybe it is Mill Street, you're right. Where it's in the vote box? Yes. No, this is. It is in the vote box actually, yes. This is the temporary sign for the marketing. For the marketing period. On page two? It's a carryover between two and three. I think you're right. Yes, you're right. This is at the temporary sign at Sims. Correct, at the system of marketing. Yeah. So the edit is. So on the carryover on page three, where it says sign no more than six feet off the ground, and I think what you said was at its lowest point. Is that what you wanted to add? Right, and the earlier reference to being no more than 10 feet. Okay, sorry. Is at its highest point. Okay, sorry. So we missed that one. But so at its lowest point after six feet, height to be no more than 10 feet at its highest point. That was it. So continuing where Bruce just left off, the bottom of page two. So we have the vote. Mr. Fields moved to approve on the sign. Ms. Sapinski seconded, all voted in favor. Then there's this list of items. Are those all items that we said the approval is subject to? Yeah. Did you state that? Yeah. Was it part of the move approval? It was, right? It was, conditions. Okay. So maybe we just need to say. Ms. Sapinski seconded, all voted in. That should come at the end then, right? Well, that's a good question. Because it looks like there's two movements here or something. I think the Ms. Sapinski seconded and all voted in favor should be at the end of that whole box. Well, maybe you seconded and we had discussion in suit. Yeah, you know, I think it's. Is that what happened? I actually don't think the verify the detectable warning was in the vote. I write it in the order in which it is spoken. Yeah. Yeah, so I think this is, I think, I think what you've got after that. These were all things that they were supposed to do though, right? Well. I think we were still, you don't think we made it subject to all those things? Wait, I think I know what the issue is. Yeah, you know what it is? It's not, there's two votes here. I think you're right. So there's, the second vote is actually the approval of the 100%. Oh, so somebody moved to approve right. That's what I wrote here. Somebody moved to approve the 100% assisted living design subject to. Subject to. So there's two votes. The first one is on the sign, but you feel them move to approve the temporary sign of the following provisions. Hight to be no more than 10 feet at its highest point location to be approved. And actually the sign, no more than six feet off the ground at its lowest point should be moved back to that vote in front of Ms. Sapinski seconded all voted in favor. So that would one little, so the sign no more than six feet off the ground at its lowest point, Carol, should just be moved to before Ms. Sapinski seconded all voted in favor. And then I think you could say, you know, Mr. Fields, yeah, I think it was all one vote is what happened. I think we voted for the sign and the 100% review all at the same time. So I think the Ms. Sapinski seconded all voted in favor should actually go at the end of this whole box. That's what I was thinking originally. Maybe that just got out of the order. Maybe I think that's the only one that got out of order. So I'm gonna go back to my word now and say Ms. Sapinski seconded voted all in favor should go at the end of that box. So we've signed no more than six feet off the ground where it is? You can, you can. I mean, that sounds good. We should clarify that though, that the movement included approval. Well, right. And I think the other thing is Mr. Fields then moved to approve the temporary sign with the following provisions have moved. And I think before add flowering native plant material, I think before that and approval of the 100% design with the following conditions. Add flowering native plant material at edge of butterfly bush, Joe Pie weed, don't weed, but a tree line on the road. But verify detectable warning panel. It's the same. It's also part of that. You think that's on that one? Yeah, that would be on that one. Okay. So that's a little bit out of place. And I remember one more thing being part of this and this has come back up again too. So I specifically remember it. Revising, we were gonna have approval for revised riprap slope line planting details. Okay. Re-approval, that was in this part. It can be added to this list. There'll be a part of 100% conditioned on. Oh, would you like that worded? Over revised. Added at the end? Yeah, that's fine. Irrevised detail of the vine planting within the riprap slope. I'll finish with this one. Oh, I think I'm not sure. I wanted to add that also under the A through H items. Oh. Copy. Under F. This, under F. Under F we have. On page two. Yeah, part of it. We have added a third variety of vine. Trumpet vine. See no page three. On riprap slope. And right there we could say revised the line planting also. I have to take a drink. I joined it. You'll all have earned it. Back on the first page. The last box. Item B. You'll B and then B again. There we go. Yeah, I'll get rid of that, the outline. But then it also has that new horizontal element at water table. Wide in front entry and covered area for rocking chairs. Should each of those be their own thing? These are all different details that were described. So A was more battens. B, new horizontal element at water table or wall. Or this should be commas or something in between. Yeah, cause it's a little hard to follow. Maybe there could be a comma after table then. Wide in front entry, a comma there. And covered area for rocking chairs. That was just a little hard to read. I think the covered area is part of the. Is part of the. Front entry. Wide in front entry and covered area. Oh, okay, okay. So that one doesn't need one. Okay, then on the third page, the fourth box. Mr. Fields moved to approve the EDR standards proposed. Should we add for the lower Vista Park and as amended by the board? Just to be clear on what we're approving. Okay, on documents used, we're just listing layout plan for Blair Hines. Did that layout plan include all their landscape plans, their lighting plans, their details? And we're calling it just layout plan. It's hard when people bring the plans in to incorporate it during the minutes cause we don't, I don't know. I think we should say 100% plan set. And that would include all the plans, all the details. Under documents used. Or 100% set of drawings. Oh, going back to the 100% insert a document used. Under documents used item four. We just list layout plan for Blair Hines. But I think is it the progress print from Procon? Is that the, I think that's... Well, we approved 100% plan. But did you have the 100% plan, the progress print? Well, Blair Hines was the landscape market. Sorry, Procon. Yeah, the very last page. Progress print, Procon. Or we're listing document and tools. I think that's 100% plan. But the state's talking about four. Right, so you're saying the 100% landscape plan? Yeah, we're 100% plans and they included a layout plan by Blair Hines, a landscape plan, a lighting plan, lighting details. Okay, I think I would say 100% and layout plan Blair Hines. I believe they were all dated the July 23rd date. What? Not the July 18th. Okay, yeah, I thought Procon gave all the architecture. All the architecture details was in the site layout. All the site stuff was under Blair Hines and that included a layout plan. The civil was... So why don't, I think the easier fix is just in four. Why don't you just say 100% site and layout plan Blair Hines Associates? And I think that's gonna get... Site layout plans, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Plans and details. Plans. But there were tons of details. That's fine, but they're there, it's a package. Usually I just put whatever the title is on the top sheet because that's what you would look for if you were trying to get it to someone who wanted to see it. Yeah, and I thought I'd realize if you say too much. Because that's the purpose of the document to be used if someone wants to see what was used. We need a reference for what do we grab, where they have to find it. It has to be whatever it says on the document. Just on the first page of the document. Yeah, so otherwise I don't read the document. Oh, okay, the layout plan is fine. You might have a set of plans and each sheet has a different title. Yeah. So they wouldn't go looking for that many documents. They'd look for one document that has a set with the cover. So doesn't the cover usually have a title that these are 100% planned? You'd like it to, yeah, I don't, I actually have never seen anything say 100% planned. So if I come to these meeting minutes and I'm looking for the landscape plan, I won't know that they're in here though. But I will have found the layout plan. Right, right. There's a set of documents then. Is there a way to make that clear? You know, I think the issue is, the issue is that you call it a landscape plan. That's not what they called it. So that's not what it is. No, no, the issue is, is that there's a set of plans Carol's saying and she's just stating what the top plan was called. No, because that's the title of the set. No, it's the title of that plan. That plan would have been called a layout plan. The set would have been called 100%. Don't keep them as a set when they come in. We'll keep them as a set. Okay, what I would suggest is just to add the word layout plan set. So that people know there's more than one plan associated with that set. If we have to record what the first drawing says, and it was a layout plan. But my only point is, is the only thing that we can do from a recordskeeping perspective is put what's on that first page. Because what you think of as a landscape plan, someone else might consider something else, right? They may not think of it in terms of that. The title of that sheet would have said a landscape plan. Of that sheet within the set. If you say so, maybe it didn't. Maybe it did. I don't know. But what I'm saying is that you can only go with what the first page says. That's fine. So let's just say the landscape plan set. I think we should do that whenever we're talking about a whole group of plans. If it doesn't have a title that makes sense, like 100% document set, we should somehow say set so everybody knows there's more than one document. Okay. It makes sense. It will do. It matters who's asking. Whether it makes sense at all. Okay, so the last box, should we say the board? We should just say the board approved instead of the planning board. Oh, that's an artifact from something else. I have a question before I turn it over to Andy. Christine? Mm-hmm. Documents used in item two where it says plans titled. Do we need to reference what they're titled? I actually think that's a holdover because they've been separately numbered now. Right? Okay. There is no plans titled. Page four documents used item two where directors report on EDR standard reviews, Sims Lower Park. In the next line it says plans titled and I didn't know if there was more to add there and Mike suggesting less. It's saying that the plans that someone who comes in and wants to see the plans that were used for the 100% review would ask for these things because that's what the top sheet says. Yeah, but I think you don't even need plans titled there. Okay. I think that's the point. I would start with plans titled. All right. Okay. Anything else from anybody? That's good. Carol, do you feel comfortable with your markup? Okay. Thank you. Motion to approve has been made. Second? All in favor? Aye. That's four on that one. All right. I think that'll be enough. That was for top five. Yeah, that was for top five. Okay. Second, please. So now we're gonna go to October 1st, 2012. Now nobody wanted to be the chair. Well, exactly, you know, and the funniest part about this is my only comment is, is please put chairman after Bruce. Yeah. Because he would have been chairman if I had grabbed that title back there, only for the purpose of these minutes. Yes. I'm sorry, October 1st, 2012. October 1st, just to the who's present and just chair after my name. And that's all I have. Do you need it? I do. Okay. I'm not sure if I don't have it. I might stay prepared. You got it? Okay. Please, with all these. So chair. Yeah, just Bruce, Bruce earns that for this one. Bruce, anything else on the board? Nothing. Christine? Nothing. Andy? No, good. Motion? Moved. Move to approve. Second from Christine. We're switching it up for Carol. All in favor? Aye. Aye. We'll like that one. Oh yeah. Why do you have to record who moves and who approves? I've been told that it's not critical, but it's always been the practice so I can do it. Next? Okay. Next, April 8th, 2013. I have a couple of small ones, but if you wanna go, Bruce, I'll go last. Oh, okay. Towards the bottom of page one, after the vote, Mr. Fields moved, Mr. Pinsky second in a motion, et cetera. Down that last box, Carol. I think after all voted in favor, the board discussed the introduction of the articles on the town meeting floor. Then we sort of switch into master plan, so I would make that new agenda item master plan, and then Ms. Kowalski provided an update, et cetera. Okay, so just maybe create a different box? Yeah, maybe a new box. Yeah, okay. And then the agenda item. And then over on the second page, and again, I'm gonna need the help of my colleagues here, but on monitoring special permit conditions, the first sentence there where I asked that these put these, the work tracking report. I think that what I might have asked was, Mr. Fitzsimmons asked that special permit conditions with regard to active projects be included in the work tracking report. Kowalski, if that sounds like something I might have said. Where are you? Oh, on page, am I on the right? This was a different topic, actually. Oh, it's at the very bottom, so. Bottom of the first page. Yeah, bottom, it picks up there. So Mr. Fitzsimmons asked that these put these. I said, Mr. Fitzsimmons asked that these be put in, I don't think that's funny. I said in instead of these, just in the work tracking report. I do remember these. Okay. Yeah, I think it was. Mr. Fitzsimmons asked that these be put in the work tracking report. Okay, I could live with that. That's right. Later in the box, it says a motion to adjourn was made. I would strike that and move that down to the end of this. And unless anybody can remember who made that motion, I just lived it. I've got Mr. Kerr. Oh yeah, I guess we said we didn't have to. Motion was made seconded and approved unanimously. Yeah. Has that replaced Mr. Fields on ATED? Yeah, so right after replace Mr. Fields and Mr. Kerr, where it says a motion to adjourn, strike where it appears there, because we'll go in and talk about the minutes and move that to the very bottom and say a motion to adjourn was made, seconded and approved. I agree. That's right. That's right. That's right. So the box with all of the motions stays as is, we just move the motion down below it. Yeah, the adjourn just needs to be the thing right before the board approved these minutes. Okay. Just needs to be right above that. Yeah. Would you like to do this one as amended? Did you say that one earlier? I don't know. Okay, I have one more type of thing. Yeah, the A, yeah. Yeah, the second to the last box on the first page, I'll return that one. In the vote box there, the second line, report to town meeting as amended, instead of as amended, just needs an A. Yeah. Good. Oh, and Nora, that's a small type of it. The second box, third line, he clarified that Nora court, I don't think there's an H on Nora. Right. Thank you. That'd be good to have her name. Small. Andy. Good. Motion. Motion to approve as amended. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All right, so that's April 8th. Moving on to July 8th, we're getting there. On this one, it's just more stylistic than anything else. I actually just, I think there's just an extraneous thing at the beginning where it says the chair called the meeting to order in the board table the approval of the July. I think that just needs to come out right up at the top. Okay. That's the same. And I think you can take out agenda item there because it's just kind of going right into business. I don't think you need to start our agenda item there. That's what I had on these. Bruce, what else? About halfway down that page under documents used. The fourth one should be site plan instead of site plan. At the last paragraph, second line, I think that endorsement of the June 24, 2013 liner from Arlington 360 regarding sequenced. And I think we want occupancy? Question mark? Sequenced occupancy for shelter break here. Sequence of occupancy. Is that the, which vote? The very bottom. The last of the four votes there. Occupancy, yeah. And then in the, on the following page where it says with map inclusive, I think we want map included, not inclusive. You get it. Andy, good. Motion? Motion to approve as amended. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. I move it. We're on that one. You're all right. I'll just let us know when you're. Okay, go ahead. Okay, the next one we've had for a little while. It's the July 29th, 2013. But I mean, it should be attorney John Leone. David, right? Yes, that's his problem. Yeah. And there's just a type on page three. But I'm gonna recall it. In the longest box on the last page around six lines down where it's underneath parking spaces, it says written communicating to restaurant staff. It's just a written communication to restaurants staff. And that's, I got, actually, I gotta tell you, this was a Yeoman's task doing this one, Carol. I'm very impressed with these minutes. Thank you. Because this was, reading them through, I'm now like, oh, yeah, right. Okay, I remember that. Yeah, so it brought it back to life. I did a couple of things. On page two, third line from the bottom, this is in Patricia Simbole's comments, where she says, it was not a sports bar, not a business about loud music, I would say featuring loud music, as opposed to about loud music. Okay. So it's not a business that features loud music. And on the third page in that long box that Mike was referencing a moment ago, two lines up from his correction, where it says provide a factual analysis. This isn't a big thing. I guess you could say on demand. I thought it was a factual analysis of demand of existing use of parking spaces. But it's a small thing. Christine? I know we don't have any jurisdiction over outdoor seats, but should we mention that they were proposing 200 seats were planned for the interior, right in the very first paragraph. And some of these seats were proposed for the exterior? Or shouldn't we even mention it in our minutes then? It didn't lead up to anything about action the board took. So maybe we should. You could, if you like, if you want the record to show that it was presented, but I think very... It was presented and discussed, but we had no, we said we were deferring to the board of select ones, so. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't even go out in discussion because I said we weren't going to. So that's it, but no, I'm fine if we want to reflect the fact that we did not discuss it. We can leave it out, we can leave it out. Okay, the second page, almost great smack in the middle. The sentence above, Roland. Okay, so if you go to the end of that sentence and hope the board can find a way to get it into Arlington. So put it in and take the in out, get it into Arlington. It's kind of interesting to read it without the word in just saying hope the board can find a way to get into Arlington. Get into, in Arlington. And there's two that's farther down. Yeah, so you don't need the second in, right? Right, so you don't need to get it into Arlington. Right, where's the second in Arlington? So four lines up from the second to the last paragraph. He added that, that. Oh, okay, thank you. That's all I have. Take a word search there. Yeah. Actually, Andrew, anything on me? I get to participate. Yes. No, I don't have any. Oh, I don't have any comments. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. The spotlight finally came on. Andy? The first page in the middle words is, entertainment would be a duo or trio for Sunday brunch and trivia, voice on a microphone, period. I think actually there shouldn't be a comma there and trivia voice on a microphone because I think it was the trivia guy. Oh, period. And then other entertainment may be provided in the function room that's desired by private party. Okay. Period, function room would be soundproofed. Other engineering function room as desired by private parties, period. Private parties hiring a room, period. The function room would be soundproofed. Okay. I moved to a group of minutes of July 29, 2013 has amended. Second. All in favor? Hi. Andy, I have a little disappointment. I was hoping to Andrew with that. Yeah. He beat me to it. Exactly, he did not want to be usurped there. I don't know. I'm glad I got to talk about that trivia. Right. Very good. You saved me. I didn't have a comment. Okay, on September night, this one sounds pretty familiar. I just had a couple of things. Number one is Ted is still listed on the top. And we still have two chairs. Oh, we still have two chairs. Well, actually, you know what? I didn't take that one away. I was okay with that. Please. Exactly. The other thing is, Carol, this is just more, I forgot to send you the resolution. I don't think I ever sent it. So I sent it tonight before I got here. Once I got, once I was reading through these, I said I meant to send it to you. So it should be in your inbox so that you can include it as an attachment to this, if you'd like. Might be the best thing. Include of the attachment, okay. Is if that's okay with the board, the resolution that I've read and that each of you have gotten a copy of, we'll just attach it. So that's an exhibit to the amendment. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's an exhibit to the nets. That should probably be noted. Yeah. But documents include it. Documents include it, you know. And the only other thing I have is silly. It's the second vote. It says Mr. Fitzsimmons move to approve, just with a D move in the second vote. Carol, I had no first page, second vote. There's two right in a row. Thank you, good, nice. So documents include resolution? Yeah, you could say the resolution. Okay. But I would also attach the resolution to the nets. If you would, please. Okay. Is that a PDF? No, I did it as a word document. Yeah, so that way you could just cut and paste. Thank you. Bruce? Okay, on the second page, again, on that vote, I was moved with the missing it's D. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had it. And after identifying Jonathan's book of Fully Hauag, I would add counsel to the board. Go ahead. After then, the following paragraph where it says, the chairman then asked the board to acknowledge that I would say all references to certificate of occupancy, comma, wherever they may appear in project documents, shall always mean the final. And I think maybe italicized final. So it's just absolutely clear what we're talking about. So the word final doesn't somehow get kind of lost in the text there. Yeah, I can read that back. Well, where is the, where's final going? Okay, so final goes right before certificate of occupancy where it's in the third line of that little paragraph. So just to start at the top again, the chairman. The first reference to certificate of occupancy needs a final before it. No, the second. Actually, why don't you read it first? So the chairman then asked the board to acknowledge that all references to certificate of occupancy, wherever they may appear in project documents, shall always mean the final certificate of occupancy. So add the. Yeah. Okay. In the next vote, there's a missing D again after moved or moved. Until I cut and paste the votes. Yeah, exactly. And I caught on with the last one. Yeah, and then the next vote after that, where the D is there. I wanted to capture the idea that we were giving the planning department staff authority but not compelling them to certify factual matters. So this is a very nuanced change but what I would suggest if you read that, Mr. Fitzsimmons moved that the board authorized the planning department staff to provide certification that factual matters were completed and to issue letters confirming that posting of bonds relevant to the Sims Redevelopment Program had indeed been posted. Can you send me that? Or do you have it written down? I have it written down. Okay. I have one head vote on the first page. Second to the last paragraph. Five lines up, the sentence that ends in seven. For the line that ends in seven, I think that should be an and. Yes. That's right. Thank you. Oh, it's an in-person. Okay. And then on the very last paragraph, I think we need to add a final before the certificate of occupancy on the last line. I think it's the last paragraph on the first page, Carol. Yeah, on the first page. Sorry. We're talking about the LDA in special permit will be met before final certificate of occupancy will be issued. We're talking about the temporary up above. Yeah, I'm sorry. So are you saying in the last paragraph say the chairman then explained that since the land disposition agreement and special permit, because I do think I should say that. I wasn't talking about that, but. Okay, sorry. I just noticed it. And special permit. You want to add that for the first line. Do not contemplate. Okay, I'm sorry. Then what are you saying now, which the developer now seeks in conversion to the line? So up there on that line, we're talking about the concept of temporary certificates of occupancy. Down in the bottom, I think that we should clarify before final certificates of occupancy Yes, okay. Yep. So just add a final before certificates. Just to make it clear. No. That's good. And the documents used, we set the resolution. We're going to list. We should also list the force management plan or actually the woody vegetation management plan because we accepted it at this meeting. So did we use it? We moved to accept it. Well, it was given to us all and we had it and we accepted it. So did you email it to all of us? I think, maybe not. Let me see here. Thank you to the list that is used. If we've used it for discussion, that's the only one. You did accept it. No, we did have it. Okay, we got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got it. Apologize. Yep. And then we should list the Sims documents. Yeah, we got a lot of those. Yep. All those. There were like four and five. We've got the front of marketing plan, the master deed, there's quite a few. Do you want me to read them off, Carol? I got them right here. Okay, I've got resolution, woody vegetation management plan, affirmative marketing plan, master deed, what else? Master deed for condo, master deed for. We're at the primary condominium declaration of trust for the primary condominium trust, master deed for the secondary or A360 townhouse condominium declaration of trust for the A360 townhouse condominium trust. Yeah, well, it's not the time easily. What else do you got there? Should I just copy whatever is in the votes? Each one had a document? Well, I think it's even more than that. Well, are they in the, so they're in the votes like that, are they? I mean, it's this package right here. Do you want just the package? Or do you want me to read it? I can do it either way. If you don't mind reading. Okay, so do you have the woody vegetation? Yes. Okay, so you got woody vegetation. Then I've got middle income affordable units, first amendment. Wait, is that all one middle income? Affordable units. This is the same document. First amendment to regulatory agreement and declaration of restrictive covenants for rental project. For rental project. Yep. And then the next one is local initiative program and then Ditto, the exact same title as what I just gave you for the other one. If you want. Middle income? Nope, so it's the first amendment to regulatory, so it's local initiative program. And then it's first amendment to regulatory agreement and declaration of restrictive covenants for rental project. It's the exact same kind of last two lines as was on the middle income affordable units. First amendment of. No, first amendment to. To. Regulatory agreement and declaration of restrictive covenants for rental project. Okay. Then the Arlington 360 affirmative marketing plan. Boom. And we've got the master deed of the A360 townhomes condominium. Oh, I got you, I got you. Then we've got the declaration of trust. Okay. Of the A360 townhomes condominium trust. Okay. The master deed of the A360 primary condominium and the declaration of trust. So there's two declarations. Yes, there's two each. Declaration of trust of the A360 primary condominium trust. Are you good? I'm good, thank you. Anybody else with any comments? Good. My last name is missing an L in present. There you go. Perfect. I'm not going for these minutes. Exactly. Two wins, two L's. Move to approve as amended. Second. Andrew's gonna be on the board. All in favor? All right. I keep holding back. Anything else? Thank you, Carol. Thank you, Carol. Yes. Thank you, Carol. A big thank you. Sorry, it took you a long time. So we'll have another similar exercise depending upon whether we try to tackle them all or another half and then another half. That sounds great. I'll be looking forward to it. Exactly. And then we'll be caught up. It'll be caught up. Yeah, good. And I will entertain one more motion. I'll move to adjourn. Second. There we go. There we go. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.