 So Ben, I have down to introduce you as host of Marketplace Tech and the podcast code breaker. Should I amend that in any way? No, just say you could add some jerk if you want, but no, I don't think so. Perfect. Granted, I've only spent 20 minutes with you so far, but you seem very opposite of a jerk. So far, so good. So far, so good. So far, so good. And we're both behaving ourselves. Alright. That totally works. Good. Alright. And Scott, I have down to introduce you as my co-host on this show. Is that? I think that sounds good. No, man. Wednesday, Wednesday, man, you can call me. Roger, you have controls. Everything good? Yes. Alright. Alright. Well, there's no rule that says we can't get started a little early if you guys are ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's rock. Whatever you want. Do it. You've been as long as we can. Alright. Here we go. Daily Tech News Show is powered by its audience, not outside organizations. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, December 14th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt. Join me as he does Wednesdays. Mr. Scott Johnson is in the house. How are you doing, Scott? I'm good. Wednesday is here. That means don't fear. I'm trying to rhyme everything because it's Christmas time. Isn't that supposed to go? Is that what you do in your traditions? It becomes rhyming time for you? I try to rhyme it. Later, we'll have limericks tomorrow, prose of some sort. This is how I celebrate. By the way, Merry early Christmas and holidays, everybody. It's super awesome to be here on these last few episodes before the end of the year. Well, the gift for us today is we're very happy to be joined by Ben Johnson, host of Marketplace Tech and the podcast Code Breaker. Ben, welcome into Scott's traditions of rhyming. Thank you very much. I was going to start to sing, rhyming time is here. Just go from there. No, thank you very much for having me. Fantastic. We're going to talk to you a little bit about Code Breaker later on and some of the things you do there. I love the idea that it is both show, informative show and game if you want it to be. It's just really genius. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, there's that added layer of being able to binge the show Netflix style if you want to. It comes out every week, but then there's a secret code hidden in every episode that you have to decipher and unlock to get the next episode. And the message in the code is never eat your old or drink your old Ovaltine. So, you know, don't worry about that. It's not marketing. Like strike that one right off the list. Good. We're going to talk a little more about that in a bit. But first, let's get to some top stories. The Win Hotel in Las Vegas announced it's going to put an Amazon Echo in all 4,748 hotel rooms by this summer. The Echo will only control lights, temperature, drapery and TV though. So you can't like order a bunch of things on Amazon to your room and have them charge the hotel. Kind of a bummer. I was hoping it would be. I mean, can I say, can I say play me some Frank Sinatra or something? Will it do that? We won't do the music either yet. They say they're going to expand what it can do eventually, but it's mostly just to control the room. Yeah, that makes sense. You need to keep control over that thing too. And you don't want people messing around with it too much. But it listens to, right? It always does, right? Yeah. So the Las Vegas hotel filled with speakers that listen. Okay. All right, Amazon. I would like to make sure that my Amazon app can see what it has recorded, which you can do in the Amazon Alexa app. Just something for the wind to consider there. Yeah. Yeah. There are some more top stories starting Wednesday. Anyone in San Francisco who requests UberX could find themselves in a self-driving Volvo XC90. Uber has a more limited trial in Pittsburgh where you have to opt in, but otherwise it works the same. Two Uber employees will be on board. Writers can choose to decline the autonomous ride if they wish and go with a human driven car. Uber also does not have a permit to test autonomous cars in California, because it doesn't need one because of the human driver on board, the way they interpret the regulations. The California DMV urges Uber to obtain a permit. Hmm. I like the idea of the trend. We've talked about this before. I like the transition of this. I like that they're saying, here's a stepping stone toward full autonomy of cars. And we realize we cannot just go and make that giant leap without making some steps in between. I think it's kind of a weird conversation about whether they need a permit or not. It sounds to me like they probably do need one. And I don't know why it's a problem not to get one. Maybe it's more complicated than I was thinking, but pretty interesting. And Volvos are tough. Do you think they went with a Volvo because, I don't know, they're known for taking a lot of, a lot of damage before anyone gets hurt sort of thing. That's got to be, that's got to be right. Same considerations are part of this and partnerships, business deals are part of it. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, Tom, sorry, I have to throw this out there. I cannot let it sit in my brain any longer or else I'll forget it. The Amazon Echo thing in hotel rooms, they need a new slogan for Vegas. Whatever happens in Vegas stays on Amazon S3 servers. Amazon web services. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. AWS got to love it. Oh yeah. Absolutely. But yeah, Ben, what do you think of the expansion of self-driving cars? I mean, it's becoming a thing you can do in multiple places, Singapore, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, et cetera. It's so fascinating because like a year and a half ago, we were all saying, this is 20 years out, right? We were all saying that. We were all talking about, okay, Google's got something. It's testing, whatever. And now it really feels like it's happening right now. I actually talked to Bill Paduto recently, the mayor of Pittsburgh. And it was really interesting to hear his perspective because, you know, he really wants to draw jobs to Pittsburgh. And he feels like this is part of that even though self-driving cars are eventually going to get rid of a lot of jobs, right? By taking the actual driver out of the car. So it'll be interesting to see how municipalities work with this. How very Travis Kalanick and Uber is this story though. Like, well, we've decided that we don't need a permit. And that's how we look at this situation. We'll ask for forgiveness and fight it out later. We're just going to put them out. But it is interesting. Yeah. And it does shine the light on the fact that these are not level five autonomous cars. They're not just out there driving around on their own. And the articles I read, people did have to intervene sometimes just for efficiency's sake. Other times because the car just didn't feel like it had the proper step forward. So they're still being tested. They're not quite ready to just be unleashed on their own. And those steps are good. Those small steps are good. Just like you said, Scott, I think the steps are good. Yeah. I'm really a big believer in that. But also it's almost like it's how he can pad this a little bit because if you're asking me flat out, why do I think Uber got such great prominence and success so quickly? It is because those guys, including their founders and CEO, are so unafraid and unabashed about their idea. And they took it from weird idea to something people rely on every day in what feels like no time flat. So how do you pad that kind of aggressiveness? You have these little small steps and you make it look like they've thought this stuff through. And they probably have. I don't want to say that that's not genuine. But make it feel and be a transitional idea and keep that positive spin on it. And I think you'll get there. I think it's the only way to do it. Amazon launched a private UAV. That's an unmanned aerial vehicle trial on December 7th in the UK. They delivered an Amazon Fire TV and a bag of popcorn, like you do. Two shoppers are so far approved to order goods to be delivered by quadcopter as long as it's good weather and during the daylight. Those are two important parts of this. There are plans to eventually expand to all shoppers who live near the Prime Air Fulfillment Center in Cambridge, of course, in the UK. The first trial took 13 minutes from order to delivery. Amazon's goal is to keep the process less than 30 minutes. What I really want to know more about are the two customers who have access to this and why they're the ones. They're Amazon employees, aren't they? They must be. But again, kind of like the story we were just talking about, here's something that a couple of thanksgivings ago, everyone was maybe mocking a little because it was a bit of a press event to pretend like you could do this. And now two years later, Amazon is in fact delivering things. They're not the first. There's been things delivered in Rwanda and Australia, but they are in the game and actually delivering things by drone. Are you surprised that it's... I mean, I have asked other people this too because it seems like this was something that was knocking on our door a couple of years ago, like Tom said. I feel like this has taken a long time and the fact that it's just two approved people, they've really taken their time with us. Does it feel like it's going a little slow? Well, it's really interesting to think about the requirements, right? And not only the requirements here in the U.S. that the government has put out, the suggestions the government has put out and the fact that Amazon is thinking about places like the U.K. and Canada because of this, but also it has to be during the daylight. I want to see the landing strip of these things. I want to see how big it is. It does seem a little bit surprising that it's taken them this long because drones have been a thing for a little while. I mean, the first people using this stuff were camera nerds, right? People who were like interested in taking video with drones and now it's finally happening, I don't know, five years after people have been... Well, I guess maybe longer than that. Yeah. People have been building these UAVs. So it has taken a little while, but it's still like the whole idea that Amazon... I'm skeptical, I will say, of the whole idea that Amazon that I'm going to be getting my whatever my winter hat delivered via Amazon drone here in New York City. Although I do live in the top apartment in my building, so my rooftop is free, but I was in Queens the other day and someone was like racing a drone down the street just like flying it around and it was terrifying and amazing and it felt like we were living in the future. So I don't know. I guess I'm a little surprised that it's taken this long, but it's definitely here. Yeah, I remember those first quad copters at CES, I don't know, 2009, 2010, something like that. I have a history of dismissing things like instant messaging and camera phones that I think are dumb and I was like, ah, that'll never turn into anything. It's a gimmick. Turns out wrong again. That whole internet thing is a fad. Yeah, yeah. The graphical web, nobody wants graphics on the web. The Florida Court of Appeals Second District has ruled that police can compel a man to provide his passcode to an iPhone 5 that they have a warrant to search. Courts in Virginia, Michigan, California have previously ruled that compelling the revelation of a passcode violated protections against self protection should be treated differently than something you have like a key or a fingerprint. The Florida Court wrote, we are not inclined to believe that the Fifth Amendment should provide greater protection to individuals who passcode protect their iPhones with letter and number combinations than individuals who use their fingerprint. So they sort of backtracked and said well, if you can compel someone to unlock it because of a fingerprint then you, ipso facto, should compel them to give you the passcode. But this looks like something that's headed for the Supreme Court. Yeah, this is interesting. I mean, I just from a pure like wow, hadn't thought of this before. This is only a problem in our modern era kind of problem. I love that kind of law stuff. I like when courts are arguing back and forth about things like this because it really gets into the minutiae of how we're doing things now versus the way we used to. The big difference here is though, I can't change my fingerprint. I could burn it off, I guess. But that would then look like malicious, you know, changing of my fingerprint. If somebody asked me for my passcode and tried to compel me to do it and I made one up and they couldn't get in and I said, well, that's how I remember it. That's that to me is just a very interesting wrinkle and then otherwise kind of sensible argument. An interesting wrinkle. I like it. Yeah. It's really interesting. It's like this whole debate, you know, since the Apple and the San Bernardino shooter conversation that happened earlier this year, this debate has really blown up in terms of being able to unlock a phone or having the government be able to either have it backdoor or compel someone to unlock their phone and what you are or what you have versus what you know debate has really sort of bubbled up in the last year and it's been interesting to talk about this on our you know on our show and we actually has a whole episode about encryption where we have a story that's about this very debate between what you know and what you are and whether the government can kind of say, well, you have to give us your fingerprint and the more and more people talk about using biometrics as a way to unlock things, the more and more this is going to come into the debate and there are some security researchers who think that biometrics aren't because, well, for lots of reasons, but it's, I don't know, maybe it will go to the Supreme Court, it will be really fascinating to see this play out. I think it's really interesting to think about that Florida Court reasoning which a lot of people I think would try to make that reasoning in the other direction saying, well, I shouldn't be compelled to give my fingerprint because I wouldn't be compelled to give my passcode and they just turned that same logic said look, these things should be equivalent. I think we all kind of agree on that because if you're compelling your cooperation with a search warrant I don't think there's an easy answer. Not at all, not at all. Incoming U.S. President Donald J. Trump has added Tesla CEO Elon Musk and Uber CEO Travis Collectinic, we just talked about him to his strategic and policy forum which we'll meet to advise the president on business issues. Disney's CEO Bob Iger and IBM CEO Ginny Rometti also previously named to the 19 person board. I have a question. Just now, just finished before we started the show was the meeting of many tech CEOs including Tim Koch Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk etc. So the incoming administration trying to get the advice of Silicon Valley here. Yeah and here's, so I'm curious about precedence. I didn't I was going to look some of this up and didn't have time this afternoon but is this a thing that happens every with a new incoming president? There's some sort of summit like this? The summit President Obama didn't have it on his way in, I don't think. I think he had it later after he had taken the office. But having these kinds of councils to provide advice on various industries is pretty common. Interesting. President Obama started talking to the private sector as soon as the website for the Affordable Care Act turned into a hot mess. But it's been really interesting to see this because I think, to me I think this is a good sign. You've got a lot of these people that he's tapping specifically for this not the stuff that's happening in New York today with Peter Teal but the folks that have been named including Elon Musk to this group that is going to advise him. I think Elon Musk wants to make a clean energy revolution in the US. And I think, to me that seems like a good level of balance when you're talking about appointing the head of ExxonMobil to one of the top positions in the country too. I think that's a good thing. A lot of the tech folks in Silicon Valley have a lot of good ideas and that feeding into the presidency isn't necessarily a bad thing. I also wonder, do you think they made everybody go around on that table when they first started saying something nice about somebody else's products? Tell us one thing about yourself that you've never said to anyone else. Yeah, tell us. What's your name and what you do? I'd like to pick that. Teaching surgeon Dr. Shafi Ahmed live posted a routine hernia repair using Snapchat spectacles at the London Independent Hospital about 200 medical students and trainees watched on Snapchat as it happened. It was an educational tool. An assistant pressed record on the spectacles so the doctor's hands were free to conduct the surgery. But they had pre-arranged which points he would hit them at because you can't just stream live. You have to keep pressing record. And then another colleague posted the clips to Snapchat as they came from the glasses. They've compiled everything into a video that's posted on YouTube. That went up on Sunday. And if you, this sounds familiar, Dr. Ahmed has also recorded surgery with a 360-degree camera and while wearing Google Glass before. This is crazy deja vu. We're living in the matrix. It's amazing to see this happen before. All of this has happened before. But Snapchat is so much better at marketing what they have than Google was with Google Glass. Everybody's waiting for hours in line to get these spectacles. That wasn't really happening with Google Glass. This is interesting to see. I think what they did and the smart thing that they did is they said, sharing our lives in this way and having this social mechanism with both video and photos. It's already what we're doing with our phones. It makes sense to integrate this in other ways. And in a lot of ways, Google Glass was right on the money except it was just so much money to try to get involved in it. Of course, they have early beta tester stuff. But what they said is, let's just aim a little lower. There's no reason this can't be affordable and function and work for what we want to do. And they just, I feel like they just hit their target. Totally. That's crazy what those guys have pulled off. Yeah. I was just going to say, it's amazing to think about how this stuff can be used too. We were visiting a training, a medical training facility the other day here in New York and we were talking to somebody who's helping people do these sort of retraining courses for medical professionals or CME as I think they call it. There's a lot of augmented reality and virtual reality being introduced to this stuff. People are playing with apps to remember how to, I don't know, go into a nasal cavity with instruments and things like that. So I think it's really interesting to see doctors like this start to play with this stuff. Arguably Google Glass is much better at what Dr. Ahmed wants to do than Spectacles because Spectacles have to have a guy keep pressing your face every so often. There's no arguing that Google Glass is strictly a niche project for enterprise right now. I think everybody's forgotten it even exists unless you're using it somewhere on a factory floor or something like that. And it's anyone's guess whether it will even survive in that way. Whereas Spectacles has the hearts and minds of the world at the moment because they're cool. The other thing that is a little interesting here to me is that these are shades. So he had to make sure he could do the surgery while looking through the glasses, which he decided he could and did successfully. But they are also working on clear versions of this for situations like that. Do you think that the operative, the patient had to be aware of this in a sudden moment? Absolutely. I was going to say, who among us is willing to have surgery while someone's wearing some snap shades and also touch with the snap shades? Tell you what? Well, especially in the UK, the temptation is like, we'll give you a break on the price if you let us use the Spectacles, but you got national health there. It shouldn't matter either way. I don't know. Your guts on full display. It's an interesting idea for sure. Twitter and our final story. Now we'll let you use any of their apps for iOS or Android to start a Periscope Live stream. I saw this update right before the show. Haven't actually tried it out yet, but there is now a live button that has been added to the compose window. When you tap this, it will stream from within the Twitter app without taking the user to Periscope. The Periscope app and website will remain and continue to work independently. This to me reminds me of Boomerang on Instagram. That used to be an app of some kind of things, and then they sucked it in. This reminds me of what they could have probably done with Vine had they decided not to shut it down. Because they're doing this now with Periscope, I may have figured something out. I think they may have shuttered Vine because they knew they were going to do this, and this makes more sense as a tool that would find more popularity as live streaming grows in popularity than they ever would have with 6-second Vine videos directly through Twitter. Could be wrong, just the theory. That makes sense to me. It's also like I swear all these stories about adding functions to these social platforms and social networks, social apps is all like the more that they happen, the more confused I get. I'm like, wait are we talking about Facebook Live? What are we talking about? They all do the same thing now to a certain degree. I mean this is a small example, but it's like all of these apps are just the more things I don't know, the more and more the further we go through time, the more all of these apps just all do the same thing and they're trying to be the same as the other apps that they're competing with and I wonder how far that can go. And you had Meerkat at first and that kind of went away. Periscope kind of ate their lunch, which is also a Twitter own company, but then you've got Facebook Live like you mentioned. There's a lot of rumor and talk that Instagram is adding live streaming to their service. Oh no, it's there. Is it there now? Yeah, they announced it. So yeah, we're definitely seeing a proliferation of this feature and what we're seeing is just a format war. Where do you want to do it? It's like using YouTube or Twitch for your game streams. You got to make a choice and who you're going to go with. And I kind of wish there was just like a standard and we could just plug it in everywhere. Yeah, like you could just go from your camera app on whatever phone you use whatever format and say, I want to choose this service to stream my stuff out to really like that. Yeah, the massive app is coming. I hope the Uber app, not the Uber app. That just gets you a ride. Uber Uber. Yeah, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit. You could submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Alright, so as we mentioned Code Breaker has a puzzle embedded in it but Code Breaker describes its mission as deciphering our complicated feelings about technology by asking straightforward questions with a sense of humor a sense of awe and sometimes a sense of dread. I experience all of those on a daily basis so I 100% understand. Starting off, what kind of feelings are you deciphering on the show? Yeah, I think we're in the second season now we ask one fundamental question about technology every season and the first season the question was is it evil? And the second season the question is can it save us? I think we all as we use technology more and more everything from surveillance to talking about grinders and people experimenting with cyberorgism to people using virtual reality more and more. We have complicated feelings about whether or not these things are going to be good for ourselves and our lives and our communities and our world and so those are the sort of complicated feelings we're trying to figure out and we really enjoy I like to describe the show as basically radiojournalism inspired by the Twilight Zone so the first season of the show was inspired also by Mr. Robot and Black Mirror and some of these shows that have a little bit of an edge to them but are really story focused and it is radiojournalism but we have a lot of fun with it and find some we think really interesting stories about individuals and how they use technology. Have you I was going to ask if has any of these questions that you first asked them let's say like the question will it save us? Saviour of the humankind at some point will it be the reason we make it through whatever trials we have ahead of us? Have you been surprised by the answers? Like have some of the answers come back as you've worked through the season and as you've sort of evaluated it for yourself and come up with those answers and heard from your listeners in that way have some of those answers come back to you and hit you right in the face and said whoa I hadn't thought of that or this went in a direction we didn't expect I'm going to make a big admission to you guys this is a conceit really we all know because we all talk about technology every day the technology is a tool what really matters in terms of whether it has properties of salvation or damnation really depends on the humans who use it and their motivations so we I have been surprised by some you know the episode that's actually out this week we talk a lot about climate change and technology that's built to help us move into a future of clean energy we talk to Bill Nye the science guy he's the guy we sort of wrap up the entire episode with and he you know he absolutely believes in many ways that technology can save us and he's really focused on using renewable energy and having you know he uses the example of his grandfather he said my grandfather rode a horse in the world war one and you know 20 years later nobody was doing that so he believes that we can all if we make a decision together to really commit to cleaner forms of energy that we can do that so yeah I mean sometimes I've been surprised by how people feel we talk to another guy we have an episode called the augmented self which is all about being from cyborgism and attaching things to your bodies and chipping yourself to you know we talked to a guy named Chris Dancy who's one of the most quantified self people in the world he wears like 10 fitness trackers he takes an ambient recording of sound every 18 seconds or something like that and he's you know as he goes throughout his day he's like super crazy with this stuff with this data stuff and I asked him but there was a time in his life that he was healthy that he was really overweight he was drinking too much he was doing drugs and he feels like starting to track his own data has saved him physically but he said that morally it bankrupted him and just and you know kind of made him into a crazy person so I have been surprised it's really interesting to hear people talk about how this stuff impacts their lives for good and for bad I think it's important because the thing the thing that causes fear a lot of times is uncertainty and if you aren't an expert in software or hardware or follow technology all the time you will wonder how all of this stuff works and why these hacks happen and what do I need to be concerned with and that causes a lot of fear so I think talking them out like this is extremely helpful do you think the right people who need to hear about this get the message it's a very good question we have a lot of listeners and they run the spectrum from people who actually build the software and the hardware we talked to one of the folks at github the other day this website where you can upload all sorts of code and share code with other people and talk about workflow and things like that and they were huge fans of the show but then there are other people who are listening to the show who are not tech experts by any stretch of the imagination and some of them are skeptical and afraid of some of the technology that's sort of moving further and further into their lives and so we really try to be try to make something for everyone you don't have to be a tech expert to listen to this stuff you just have to be a person who is interested in technology and cares about humanity I guess is at least our hope that everyone who listens to the show unless there are some robots that want to take over we're listening to the show I don't know there probably are it seems like more and more and a lot of the podcasts I listen to I seem to be drawn to this sort of stuff and it just seems like more and more conversations around technology are starting to be and I don't mean hyperbole things like when's the AI going to be smarter than us and kill us all and all those sorts of stereotypes about technology improving and AI improving thinking about their everyday lives like do we know what the impact of constant texting snapchatting, instagraming and everything else is having on say teenagers does that change the way their brains are being wired like real scientific questions about actual developmental changes in people in their biology brought on by the kind of technology they use and it does feel like you're right there for this trend does it feel like that conversation will only continue to increase in intensity or do you see that leveling off at some point and we just get comfortable again in our tech that's a great question you know I don't know I mean I think we've been talking about technologies impact on our lives since when we started working on this episode about cyborgism some people point to an Edgar Allen Poe story as the beginning of cyborgism and this is 200 years ago so or 150 years ago and so you know I think the conversation seems to me to be have been pretty consistent over time depending on how you define it about how technology is impacting our world and impacts us as humans but it's really interesting to think about how much how much more people are used to technology being part of their lives I mean I'm sure you guys have had this experience like I even someone who's like 10 years younger than me I watch the way that they interact with with the same technology that I interact with and I'm always like terrified because there's so much faster and better at it than me right like you look at like a 10 year old kid and they're like they're just like they're using it a phone in which in ways that I will never like they're gonna be doing by the time they're my age is crazy so I think it is I think it's something that people are getting more and more used to the stuff getting folded into their daily lives so hopefully the conversation will continue but but maybe there will be more of a familiarity with some of the stuff that we're just starting to understand and get a sense of now Yeah would you spend your whole life being the guy who is impatient with everyone else for not getting it and suddenly you're the guy who's not getting it they're being impatient with you Totally It's definitely true with my kids I'll watch I have a 16 year old and I'll watch him on his phone using an app like Instagram and when I use Instagram I kind of slowly scroll and I'm like that's a funny comment or I like this photo or what in Tom post or whatever and I might double tap it if I like it but I just kind of have this leisurely stroll through Instagram when I check it and he's going zip zip zip zip zip zip zip he's got this efficiency thing happening that I think is I don't know if it's good I don't know what it is it's just a very different approach and he's just getting a lot more he's sending out a lot more likes and he's getting a lot more imagery than I do in my session of doing the same thing Yeah it's really fascinating and it's you know in the first season of our show we talked to somebody who you know they're an informatics professor so they study you know human interaction with computers and they they look at randomly reinforced behavior which is you know constantly checking your email or checking your Twitter or checking your Facebook and they talk about how hard it is to train yourself to not do that and to have a you know a deeper connection in your you know in whatever you're doing to take an hour and actually I mean it's hard for me to watch an hour long TV show now without picking up my phone and looking on Twitter and my wife watches TV with the phone in her hand almost all the time Yeah so this is this is really fascinating and it's happening really fast I mean we were talking about Uber we're talking about self-driving cars and drone delivery taking a short period of time but it was seven years ago the iPhone right no eight, nine years ago the iPhone Nine years now yeah and think of all the changes that have happened since then in the way that we behave and interact and it's really interesting to see it happen Yeah when it's been as long since the iPhone came out now as it was in when the iPhone came out as it had been since 1998 Yeah So .com boom on the rise at that point anyway Wow Ancient history now Alright let's get to a couple emails Pick of the Day today came from Brett Stewart who said I wanted to throw something your way I've been very hesitant about adding new social networks to my life apropos to our conversation here I like to keep it simple I only succumbed to Twitter last year but I made an exception for Drive Tribe it's a social network from the folks at the Grand Tour the former top gear hosts it's a social network entirely made up of groups or tribes that you can join they have specific focuses it's a bit like a Facebook group in fact you log in with Facebook groups for car modification photography articles and so on I've actually found myself really enjoying Drive Tribe it's community is very small and niche right now which fosters a lot of discussion and quality content and I rarely see anything I scroll past unlike other social networks there's not a lot of content there right now but it's slowly growing and what is there is good content curated to an extent it may be a good pick for anyone with a passing interest in cars engineering or even photography and it's certainly a nice reprieve from the team of other massive social networks plus Clarkson, Hammond and May regularly contribute and join in on the conversations it's interesting it's interesting because it's I mean you're using Facebook to log into that thing Facebook has groups and this being an alternative to that must mean that groups isn't doing it for some people certainly not for this group so why the heck not take it out of Facebook get out of that walled garden son yeah they're just using it as the login yeah heck yeah yeah I mean Facebook you know we should like I need to like figure out which of the massive tech octopi is going to take over the world and right now I'm wondering whether it's Facebook or Amazon for totally different reasons but it's interesting that the Facebook groups aren't working but you still log in via Facebook right yeah it's an interesting situation one of the few cross-platform things Facebook does is allow you to log in because they just want to get that data any way they can yeah and so I mean good for Facebook for not saying well you can't use it to log into a competing social network because you wouldn't have send your pics to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find more pics at dailytechnewshow.com and this I just want to read this one message of the day from Pat Murphy from beautiful Columbus but born and raised in lovely Cleveland he wanted to point out the other day you mentioned a listener that had to withdraw their Patreon support because they were in a tight financial situation let that person know I just increased my pledge in their honor so they can listen anyway and have no bad feelings I thought that was really nice well done Pat well done and that is it for this episode of Daily Tech News Show big thanks to you Ben Johnson for joining us not only tell people where they can go to pick up marketplace tech and code breaker but also a little more about the puzzle involved oh man you want to give away hints? we're not going to stop you well so you can go to the website codebreaker.codes and that's where you can listen to the show and also input the secret codes if you can decipher them and like I said before there's an episode that comes out every week you can get it on iTunes if you're an android you can get it wherever you might get your podcasts via android and if you listen carefully to each episode it has a secret code in it they 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Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program nice perfect didn't show you guys what's Scott's network it's awesome thanks how I haven't listened to Code Breaker before is pissing me off because it's totally up my alley please listen I failed to mention that one LeVar Burton is also on the show we've got some fun geeky nerdy guests on the show and it's a lot of fun it's a little bit dark but we're optimists so we like to tackle this stuff with a sense of hope as well I think you can do a great job with it and I highly encourage everyone to go check it out I am officially subscribed alright fantastic well Ben we know you've got stuff to go into so thanks again thank you guys really really appreciated hope we can do it again yeah please do if you ever have a particular episode coming up that you think would be of interest to plug let us know and likewise we'll hit you up again for sure Scott I will both of you you gotta come play Silicon Tally with me definitely would love to thank you I absolutely would love to alright marketplace tech come on with us alright thank you gentlemen Roger thanks a lot man take care thank you we got titles Roger yes we have titles alright what happens in Vegas stays on AWS I like that one snap surgery I like that one two Johnson's no waiting what happens in Vegas stays on Amazon can see the fifth finger is it evil yes necessary evil is another invention two Johnson's on the Tom two Johnson's with Merritt echo chamber Las Vegas Trump Musk work get it Trump Elon Musk thing yeah and jobs got it alright doctor makes a spectacle out of routine surgery or surgery hold on a second I'm gonna take this you keep going breaking the code it's written in lead you'll shoot your eye out Ubers says we don't need no stinking humans waiting to pack is what happens in Vegas stays on AWS yeah oh that one's got the hot vote get it right now I'm kinda willing to just let the votes call it today you guys have a particular favorite not really I mean I like the number one one but I also quoted it so I don't wanna be that guy so it doesn't have to be mine oh you can be that guy well I think it's funny making you that guy he's about to call you Johnson is there Johnson get in here Johnson it's funny that he I hadn't even thought of that until he said that until he went oh yeah those things listen you can turn the mic off but you have to think to do that and go turn it off can I do it they also don't store yeah no on the actual device you can go over to the device and press mute they also don't store things for a long time but as I said on the show the way they do it is usually you go into your app and you see like these are the ones that they still have stored they expire after a certain amount of time and you can see everything you've said to it only after you've said the trigger word though right only after Alex has been triggered what if you actually what if you're like flandering with a woman with that same name or something well then yeah I was wondering about that actually I wasn't wondering about that I was wondering about you're on a family vacation with your daughter who has that name but okay you can go whatever direction with this there's someone in the room with that name the way you normally do it is you change the trigger word to be echo instead of the name but I don't know if you could get in there to the settings to do that his name is A-L-E-X-A staying at the win is not going to want to have a conversation with people say her name what if I use a particular Vegas escort service and the girl I always ask for her name is echo see then well you're fine unless you can switch it to echo then you just switch it back can I just unplug it from the wall yeah you could do that too isn't that really what you want to do in the end I don't know I like saying you know close the drapes it's kind of cool term Roger I'm glad that you pulled that one out I like philandering as a word philandering which what that's not people who collect stamps that's a philanderistist a philatelist a philatelist a philatelist is someone who believes that everything is doomed oh I thought a philat what's a philatist is that someone who believes all fish should be philated or philayed yes I am a philatist I believe I'm philaying everything don't give me that meat phil philatelity fatelie fatelie and lannily stamp collector yeah stamp collector didn't even have commemorative stamps during the Roman period what would they know what Latin phrase could you use none did they have any kind of stamps in the Roman times was that a thing that's a good question right I have some Roman coins I have some Caesar's palace tokens I was very excited about getting Roman coins until I got them and I'm like I mean there's history to them right but they're kind of small a man that died once handled these coins but you can say that about any currency our currency was bigger than theirs Roman currency is really tiny it's because people didn't have pockets in their tunics so if you had to carry these you didn't want a lot of them you needed to put them in your bag of holding right yeah they had an early version of the oh you can't say fanny fanny pack a satchel satchel sage mers or basically a diminutive courier bag nice all right I am exporting now what are we going to call it what happens if Vegas stays on AWS is at the top done there it is then sorry and what's the over under on someone writing in and saying well actually the amazon echo data isn't stored on AWS well probably high but you'll be missing the joke what's the over under on it being Tinvec who actually created the daily tech headlines skill for the Amazon echo because he actually knows where it goes never bet against diamond clubbers never bet against a diamond never tell a diamond clubber the odds there you go you know what I'm hearing my favorite thing I've been hearing about the star wars reviews people love anti-tutics what's the name of the robot something K2SO like raves about that character so that makes me very happy I'm getting excited I was already excited I said this last year earlier this year I said I'm more excited for Rogue one than I was for the Force Awakens I thought you were nuts I'm not nuts am I well not about that I'm not I'm nuts about cashews oh you are dad actually the best one I like believe it or not like those Cadbury chocolate bars with the raisins and then those I love Kakaia says doesn't make it any less funny agreed agreed I will knock off but come back at the appropriate time tomorrow? no for the thing later today that's tomorrow is it? the DTNS monthly? yeah I thought that was today no it's Thursday you're on the calendar invite yeah I thought it said today no December 15th oh I thought so yeah that's alright you can go though I'm gonna knock off too thanks everybody for watching we'll see you tomorrow