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Thank you Next we're going to have a roll call Commissioner Jensen present Commissioner willed Vice chair Christensen and chair Westman here. Hey now we'll stand for the Pledge of Allegiance So now we're going to move on to new business First we're going to have Any deletions additions or deletions to the agenda tonight I'm gonna look to our planners if they've received any additions or deletions to their items No additions or deletions this evening. Okay. The next item is an opportunity for public comment This is a short communication on matters that are not on tonight's agenda If you would like us to include your name in the minutes You can sign in Is there anyone here who would like to talk to us about an item that's not on tonight's agenda? Doesn't look like we have anyone So the next item is commission comments Do we have any comments from any of our missioner who'd like to make now? Thank you The first comment I just want to publicly thank the staff for from our last request last meeting about sending out the Agenda early, you know, I appreciate that Fighting it too. That was great. And then the second one. I attended the city council meeting two meetings he goes folk under Public comment and wanted to also share tonight that there's a group of community members have gotten together for wharf enhancement and We're gonna the group is going to be working with the community with the city for community outreach on Funding for enhancements. So it's gonna be a fundraising group and we're very excited about the opportunity to enhance the wharf and we're gonna be Full Survey that was going out. There's gonna be a community outreach meeting that the city's gonna be organizing Look at as the city develops the wharf and has those plans on what the community can do to contribute funds to This is gonna be similar to what was done previously for the library where these enhancements are gonna like improve the quality of the furniture that's there and Provide some extra amenities, right? Yeah, so it's Destruction of our group. There's myself and there's ten other local Community members aren't warned. The ORT's is one of our Honor board and we're really structured to offer after the friends of the wharf, you know, a lot around that same Outline that is all just We're calling it the jewelry for the wharf Thank you Okay staff comments Yes, this evening. It's my pleasure to introduce you to our new assistant city clerk Austin Wesley Austin was is from Santa Rosa. He attended Cal Poly and Majored in recreation management He's very passionate about outdoors and he's a sports enthusiastic He's also very interested in city planning, so he's gonna enjoy his time at the planning commission meetings And he's been living in Santa Cruz for the last three years and calls it home and really enjoys his time here So this is Austin Welcome Austin. We're glad to have you here. Thank you very much And you can help keep us in line All right, the next item is the approval of the minutes and I would request that we take them separately because I need to recuse myself on the April 6th Minutes because I was not at that meeting so we'll start with the minutes from March 2nd Does anyone have any corrections or additions you would like to make? Yes, there's one minor on the approval of the December first meeting It voting is the Kristen chair Westman And abstaining Can I clarify did you say for the March 2nd minutes so in the March? Yeah, so I know March 2nd minute second minutes. I remember the approval of minutes or December 1 22 as commissioner I Okay, can we get a motion to approve the March 2nd meeting? minutes I'll make a motion to approve Okay, all those in favor We just Correct. I don't I don't all those in favor Okay carries unanimously and then as I mentioned for the April 6th minutes. I need to recuse myself But are there any Additions or corrections to those minutes? Yeah, I do have one Just I wanted to clarify that as commissioner as he noted that he attended the Planning Commission training down Los Angeles I was also in attendance that and I think I shared that I just want to make sure that mean exactly reflected that Now we need a motion On the April I'll move second Commissioner SD Commissioner Jensen I Vice chair Christiansen and chair Westman. All right. We're going to move on to our consent calendar The consent calendar are items that the Planning Commission considers to be routine and will be enacted in one motion In the form listed below There will be no separate discussion On these items unless someone from the public or someone or one of the commissioners wants to pull the item and Tonight we actually only have one item on our consent calendar And it is a design permit and coastal development permit for an accessory dwelling unit Above an existing garage at 603 Escalona Drive. So is there anyone On the Commission who would like to pull that item. I Would like to pull or have some clarification on one item. Okay So we will just move that down to be the first public hearing item I don't think probably will take too long So with that we'll move on to our public hearings and the first public hearing will be 623 Escalona Drive the design permit for the accessory dwelling unit. I'll have a staff report Yes, the evening chair Westman and commissioners If if there is just a quick question I can take that or I have a slide show so It's just one quick question just for clarification With regarding them as I read the report we required staff Requirement was to have I think it was the kitchen window opaque and from a close standpoint and if I recall We approved Application number 23 0 0 6 7 on the February 2nd Planning Commission meeting at I think it was 603 Escalona no Saxon I was no it was it was on Saxon once one one seven on Saxon and we waived that requirement as as the planning Commission and so I Just wanted to be some have a commission I have a conversation with the commissioners about consistency Being that their first obviously and you know it's almost in the same neighborhood And so that's why we're like just a point that out I guess we're asking the question of staff about why was it recommended that that particular window be so the recommendation for one one seven Saxon that the similarities between that project and this one Walls eight feet of a property line, but there is a specific section that is Only opaque windows within eight feet That is specifically written in with the other project at Saxon. It was over staff recommendation Because that was a code this one was an ADU unit which has different requirements for ADU units and for standard single-family And so if they're both second-story knowing difference would be that Assessory dwelling unit this will be occupied Community members and so since it's an ADU like a secondary drawing unit They have to have a big window, but if it wasn't if it's just a normal residence It wasn't you it wouldn't have to Yeah, I'll say that the Commission has discretion over in both cases as well without requiring a variance In the case of just standard floor area. There's a design review finding With the ADU there's a section that allows the Commission deviate from objective standards without Really is that your discretion? And I just want to clarify The standard is the opaque windows for second story is that required to any wall within eight feet of That's when it's required so it's not always required so any time you have a window that faces into the lot It is not within eight feet. That requirement would not. Sorry a little bit So So within our ADU ordinance we have objective standards because many of them are approved Administratively and those in the in the objective standards. That's one of them is that for a second-story ADU So if you did a conversion of a second story to have an ADU you'd be required to put in the Different privacy did wonder strange I see that I just wanted to ask did you elect to do you mind the window being opaque? I would Overlips my neighbor's front yard and there's a great need down The street to the Gulch looking at redwood trees But yeah, it'd be great if it didn't have to be you have a good relationship with your neighbor. I do. Yes There's an aerial and it's here 80 years stacked directly above the garage midwall and their house does start probably three or four feet on Ocean side of migration So set So their house is here and ADU Oh, what is the pleasure of the Commission? I Like to make a motion to approve the project but remove the requirement for the I will second that So we have a motion in a second. We'll do a roll call vote Missioner SD. Hi Missioner Jensen. Hi vice chair Christensen and chair Westman. Hi Thank you very much. All right moving on to our regular public hearing items The first one is a 1440 Wharf Road the Capitola Wharf And this is a review of final design of two public bathrooms for compliance with condition number two of permit 20-01 for one This project received a coastal development permit issued by the California Coastal Commission previously, but was conditioned to come back to the planning commission for several items and So we'll start with a staff report And I before Sean begins the presentation. I just wanted to clarify a couple things I really appreciate Commissioner Jensen bringing this up actually at the beginning of the meeting So the project before you tonight is for the the Wharf Proposal that the city has been looking at for some time now In the meantime this wonderful group a community group has come together and it's looking at wharf enhancements And they're raising funds and really like making adding those special elements of like should it be the same bench as we've always had What about lighting considerations and plaques and all the things that Interpretive signs that all the details that really will Make it even more special So tonight, you're not reviewing those items We If it's just benches moving forward, I don't think that's something that the planning Commission needs to review But if there are substantial changes to the wharf We can bring that back to the planning Commission And so I just wanted to clarify the difference of these two it is it sounds like it'll be a really robust public outreach process with the wharf enhancements and So I encourage the planning Commission can participate in that as well And then it'll just ultimately be what what have they put together as towards whether or not it should come back to planning Commission Unless directed otherwise, okay so this evening the focus is on plans we've looked at in the past and This is planning to go to City Council next week to put the project out to bed Thank you And we have our public works Representatives here, so Kailash Mons of ours here next to me and Jessica Khan our public works director is also here Good evening commissioners the application before you is Located at 1,400 wharf road also known as the capitol wharf located in the MUV zoning district it involves the review of the revised plans for four design elements included in the improved wharf rehabilitation project Larger project scope includes a widening of the narrow stretch of the wharf new restroom facilities and a replacement security gate as well as various repairs and upgrades throughout mentioned public works team here Writing you at the majority of the presentation the original application was evaluated by Leslie dill architectural historian found the project to be Substantially compatible with the secretary of interior standards for the treatment of historic properties Provided that several elements received a subsequent review by the city once further details were prepared Elements included the wharf piles pre-fabricated bathrooms the entrance gate as well as the replacement security gate in the report Leslie dill noted that the differentiated Utilitarian sorry the modern and utilitarian designs were in keeping with the standards examples included the Larger restroom design which was differentiated with a completely flat roof as well as exposed stainless steel components Which is also a similar theme to the other modern additions like the security Smaller since the original approval the revisions no longer include alterations to the entrance gate Will now be relocated towards the foot of the wharf, but will otherwise retain its current appearance The 2020 approval Followed with those recommendations from the historian by including that as a modified condition to bring the project back Specifically so that the planning commission could review these four items with respect to various considerations design scale materials texture as mentioned for the location of one of those is subsequently changed and Presentation will show those location of rendering following this and the Overall intent here is to review these elements for compatibility with the historic Status and and as mentioned before it was actually seen as a benefit to keep these modern components differentiated from the historic That I'm gonna hand off Good evening commissioners. I'm excited to be back here today. It's been Yeah, I can't believe it's been this many years since we were here last but it's it's a it'll be it'll be nice to walk Through this project with you here today. I'm as Sean stated. I'm at that last meeting we had in June 2020 We had four elements that we hadn't fully fleshed out and so coming back to you here tonight to provide the detail on those And seek your Going to City Council next So first wanted to kind of give you a little bit of a timeline of kind of what brought us to where we're at here today This is the banner that we have now placed out on the wharf that provides You know the community some background on on the steps that have been taken Up to today and then the plans for where we're going here in the future Some of the things that may or may not have already been Where to you as commissioners is this project began back at least back in Around 2016 or 17 when this when the city had identified the need for looking at the wharf for for improved resiliency and strength Having seen damage over the years. They wanted to identify ways to Enhance the wharf to make it a little bit more robust over time and so studies were done by the Moffett and nickel engineering team and Through those studies, we then went to planning to Had multiple public outreach meetings and then as well went to city council with quite a few different design alternatives And there was a quite a few steps in the process that decisions were made to get us to the point that we're here today Our our goal here is to kind of bring what we've we left Unfinished in 2020 with the planning commission resolve those tonight and then go seek Approval from council next week to move forward with bidding the project and starting the repair and enhancement of the wharf With that we would end up having a goal of having the wharf completed and construction completed the summer of next of next year 2024 So again just to rehash a little bit here. This was the design alternative City council approved in October of 2018 that charged the public works team with moving forward with this design And so the upper two drawings that are sketches were were part of that Alternatives analysis that was was prepared to look at options for what the city could do to provide more resiliency for the wharf structure With the guidance and direction from council We move forward with this design and then we have at the bottom of this Slide showing you the current design that we have so you can see that it mirrors that design that was sketched out in 2018 So the first element that we wanted to speak to were the the new piles So there's a improved pile type that we are Utilizing and have already utilized for some of some repairs that have taken place since that meeting that we had so the existing piles on the wharf are all old timber piles and they have a lifespan and They've they've lasted quite well, but there are new pile types, which is it's a composite pile That allows for it's just you know in in the luck and feel it's it's about the same size and diameter But it's much more robust as far as its ability to last over time in the marine environment You still do end up with an attachment of you know barnacles and things like that, which was part of the design review with Leslie But at the same time it does also allow for those piles to be much more much stronger And also can be built off of in the future if we were ever to try to move move Vertically up with the with the wharf structure So here you have an example of what the piles look like at the far end of the wharf at the head these piles were replaced as a phase one of the of the wharf enhancement project The second slide shows the piles near the little landing And you can see just from a distance You know the the color of the pile it blends in pretty very well with the existing piles and at a distance I think most most passerbys aren't able to distinguish the difference if you get up and touch it You'll know but otherwise, you know the look and feel it still provides kind of the stick framing structure of what the wharf looks like There's a close-up of that pile again, you know even at this scale. It's it's hard to quickly differentiate the difference between the two And then this is the base of the wharf where we also have another pile type that was used In in the past when the wharf was widened at the very foot of the wharf The piles in the background of that screen on that that's the hooper side of the wharf You can see our if you look closely. It's a different. It's a different material. It's again a FRP style pile that that is in line with the the piles that we'll be using for the wharf redevelopment project The next element that we had to bring back to you were the two entrance the two gates So there's two gates on the wharf one is a entrance gate that has kind of our iconic photo opportunity for visitors who come to the wharf and want to take a picture at Capitola wharf and the second one is a security gate that's Kind of three quarters of the way out towards the wharf closer to the two businesses In operation the way that these gates are utilized the entrance gate primarily stays open all year long during both day and night We really only use that to close when when the whole wharf is closed down for either for security or if we know if there's You know instances where we know there's large storms coming in We're not sure, you know, whether or not there might be a dangerous situation out there That's when that gate is closed. But otherwise that gate is almost always open The second gate the security gate down towards the businesses Those are closed when the businesses closed shop at night And and that was put in place years ago when there were different times where there was Issues that were happening with security risks and I think things, you know Had gotten broken into and so the security gate was placed and and that does close every night And that's mainly closed by the by the tenants that operate those two buildings so looking first at the Entrance gate, so the proposal here is because the project widens the narrow section of the wharf That is currently where the entrance gate is is situated The we're doubling the width of that narrow portion of the wharf to add strength to it and so in order to still accommodate and keep this historic art piece that was That was done. I'm not sure what year but when that was created We wanted to maintain that and so in the permitting and public outreach process There was a lot of concern about maintaining this gate And so the opportunity presented itself kind of naturally that if you just slide it forward that that same width Is there and so it'll match and so you just we're just proposing to move that gate forward to be closer to the immediate entrance to the wharf This is one view from the Roadside of the wharf and then another view on the opposite side Jerry might remember that day So that's another view of it showing kind of where it is positioned so you can see that the wharf width right there It's kind of hard to eyeball but it we did we did a lot of close measurements And I've talked with the architect that designed this the structure that it'll be We'll be able to accommodate its its relocation there without without any problem. It doesn't Conflict with any of the utilities or any of the other items that are running underneath the wharf, right? Oh, yeah So that's moving on to the security gate So this this is the the the look and feel of the existing security gate again closest to the outboard end of the wharf And and is closed nightly And that's why that gate is a little bit more robust You can see it's a little taller it has wings that extend beyond the outside edges of the wharf to prevent You know people from trying to get over around it And our proposed design is was to match this exact gate design But needing to accommodate the new width of the wharf So you can see here. This is the plan drawing of that war of that gate matching pretty closely Is you know as much as possible to the existing and then again showing you from the opposite side And this picture gives you the opportunity to see so if you look at the bottom of that photo That corner where where the the railing goes to about a 45 degree angle That's approximately the new width of the of the future section of this wharf And so that's going to extend all the way into the into the background to match again with that width of that wider section At the base of the wharf and so this gate will need to span that full width But it'll still be the same style gate where it's just has two gates On rollers that'll roll open And and then accommodate the ability for people to walk to and from on on both sides So moving on to the bathrooms When we brought to this back to you originally in june 2020 The plan was to put two bathrooms on both ends of the wharf one to provide uh facilities for for both people Using the wharf and then also for beachgoers who are maybe using hoopers or the area immediately in front of the Venetian courts If any of you use the you know the the beach here You do know that the only public restrooms currently are the ones over at esplanade park which is a bit of a jaunt if you're if you're at hoopers and Seasonally we do put a porta potty right now out on the wharf and it gets highly used And so the goal here was to provide a permanent facility that allowed Visitors to have restrooms at this section of the wharf Both serving the wharf and the and the public beach The plan for both of these was that the foot the one at the foot was to To provide a permanent use rather than having a seasonal porta potty And then the one at the head the design and the intent there was that we we do currently have a restroom built into the building That is the wharf house. Uh, it's on the far It's on the western side of the kind of southwestern corner of that building and the the intention here was to provide a public restroom that wasn't tied to that facility Allowing some flexibility for the current or future tenant to Kind of reimagine the way that that building gets used There's there's been often a desire to be able to have windows facing Pleasure point and currently that area is is blocked by the existing public bathrooms And so the intention here was to provide a new bathroom location That was public serving and also then allowed flexibility At that building in addition to this this was part of our Um Part of our commitments that we made when going through the grant and permitting process. So currently we have Three different grants for the for the wharf project and we have Tra I think that's six or seven permits and all all of which We made commitments to providing these visitors serving facilities And so this is something that we we definitely need to have as part of the project and so After that meeting we had in 2020 we we started, you know, fully flushing out the design plans And in looking at the location for the head of the wharf The There's it's quite a constrained area. So I have a couple pictures to show you that here So this is the location that we're proposing that bathroom to go It's existing use and future use also will be to also house both the rest the bathroom dumps are the Trash dumpsters and it's also Serves as parking stalls for the couple parking spaces that we do have out at the wharf The project doesn't propose to have any new parking and that was that was a strong recommendation from our public outreach And so we didn't want to take away any of the existing parking given that it's fairly limited So in this space It doesn't look like it can accommodate it But you want to have a have some bathrooms have the ability to roll the dumpsters out and also be able to park and so in doing so You need to have a very fairly compact bathroom design And in order to do that the the public works team did quite an extensive search of prefabricated bathrooms That could be utilized in this environment and get another factor that we had to take into consideration is just that we're in a marine environment and um There's a lot of challenges with having a facility out there that's going to last over time Also is serviceable and and can be maintained well and and have a lifespan in this marine environment and I had just one I just want to the two buildings that are on the wharf they've we've um inspected them to a point to know that they're not going to fall down on someone and we allowed We allowed the tenants to go back in and remove their things But they're they have yellow tags on them now. They need to be further studied so There's also a question there about when those bathrooms will be able to be Utilized again, so there might be a significant work that needs to be done in order So I think having the the restrooms out on the end of the wharf is A great safety in case that those if we find that extensive work needs to be done to those existing structures, so Thank you sure Thanks for adding that And so here we have a zoom in on the plan set showing exactly where we're proposing to have that bathroom The design of the bathroom right there might be hard to see but we've got one that's Proposed for to be installed and the second location Will be plumbed but current design plans only have us adding one bathroom here, but in the event that we Start to see that there is demand or need for an additional bathroom It would be easier because we're already plumbed and ready to go to have that second bathroom installed there Yes and then the other factor that was a something that We learned to appreciate was that this is a tight space both for Once it's installed, but also from just an installation perspective. So being able to bring in a prefabricated bathroom Provides some challenges. So one being that it's between these two buildings. It needs to be placed by a crane In order to place a Object like that by a crane you have to have you have weight tolerances that you're working with and so we ended up After going through quite a few different prefabricated bathroom design options, there were There weren't as many as you would have thought that would fit here because of those limits. So we had to have a fairly lightweight bathroom And then also one that provided kind of all those things being 88 compliant and also being able to kind of sustain In the marine environment. So through that that research This is where we landed on and feel that this is a good solution for its location out there at the head of the Here's a close-up look of what the bathroom provides from a from an aerial So you can see that the bathroom provides a toilet wash basin and also provides the opportunity for a Children's changing table On the right hand side, you see a picture of the bathroom. The brand of the bathroom is a portland loo. Um, it was it's You can I think I have one more picture with a little bit better view of it for you. Oh, no, I don't that's it So that that bathroom is made they come in different materials We've selected the the stainless steel option because of the marine environment And it does show it does have the opportunity if on that wall of the which is the round wall facing us Is the is the door you it says the portland loo on this one And there are there is opportunity if if we decided to do so to put some type of artistic mural or something on that side But otherwise the the structure would be made of stainless steel Being that that would be fairly well serviceable if we had graffiti or anything of that nature It's easy to clean and easy to to to maintain over time Moving on to the second bathroom the location of the second bathroom was proposed to be their West of that yellow line and the reason for that being that the We still have vehicle although there's not a lot of parking There is still vehicle use on the wharf with vehicles coming in and out for deliveries for trash And then for the the small number of parking spaces that are out there And so we did not want to have that bathroom have any conflict with the vehicles that would be going up and down the wharf And so we the space that we've selected Um, we tried to tuck it over into that corner there Allowing for the the ramp to the bathrooms and the three three stalled bathroom doors would all be facing towards that yellow line So you the back of the bathroom is is facing hoopers and then the doors are facing capital and main beach this Okay, this plan drawing just shows you where the bathroom is The red line. Oh, that's to show where the the security gate or the the Entrance gate moves from where its current location is forward to closer to the front of the wharf there Um the and then the distance that we have the bathroom situated right now Is is as close as we can get to the the railing allowing for still service ability and having the correct amount of distance Between the the building itself and the the railing. This is a close-up of the Facilities within the bathroom one of the stalls is an 88 stall Um, also with the children's changing table and then the other two are just standard stalls This last photo we have is a rendering that we had put together to visualize Kind of at an angle what the how the gate would look and where that bathroom would be situated The only difference that you might note here is that we didn't include the ramp that goes up because because there is a Concrete slab that that bathroom is is on We need to have a small ramp for 88 compliance to allow people to get to that front out to those front stalls So there is if you look in this You can see that that a rectangular area in front of the bathroom is to depict the ramp that would be the 88 complaint ramp to get you in and We also wanted to include a couple of other photos to let you to show the options with this This brand of bathroom also a prefabricated bathroom is is xilu It come We've selected a couple options that we think are fitting for the for the wharf having both either horizontal or vertical siding With a with a wood finish to to kind of be in line with the the wharf itself But this does have options for different exterior finishes if there were any Desires to have that further further investigated These are the two Versions that we wanted to show you just for for purposes of kind of seeing how how they can be modified but for the most part, you know the guts and the The the structure itself is maintains the same, but you do have some latitude with with the exterior Siding so with that just wanted to come back to the initial Reason for us coming back tonight Moving into phase two wharf project having on over these four elements and happy to answer any questions from the commission Do we have any questions that we want to ask staff before we open the public hearing? Just one is kind of relevant to the whole project, but I get asked all the time We can just take just a minute and just refresh everybody's memory and everybody I talked about why the wharf is not being raised Um, and we're talking about just putting it back to where it is Use just for informational purposes for everybody to understand what why that is then we're not doing that Sure. Yeah, that's a good question And that was a strong consideration back in the earliest phases when we were coming to counsel with all the different options So we did have our design team evaluate all the different courses that we could go and so they looked at raising the entire structure making the structure out of out of concrete um And so, you know with anything there's there's different considerations and oftentimes cost is a factor that you look at and so We're for this project. We're adding 120 new piles and then replacing I think Less than a less than 20 but more than a dozen. I think a deteriorated pile So, you know in the ballpark of 130 ish piles that are getting replaced with the new style um, we there was The total number of piles on the wharf is quite larger than that I think we're I think triple that for the total number of piles on the wharf And so in order to raise the whole wharf, we would have to raise We would have to replace all of the piles or build up off of all the piles um limiting factor on on on the existing wooden piles is you can't build vertically off of them structurally they're just not able to be uh to do that and so um the Council at the time was was pleased with the idea that we have the all the new piles from here on out will be will be these frp Style piles that could be built vertically off of um, but at the current time without Replacing the entire wharf and all the decking and all the you know everything on there Basically rebuilding a whole new wharf would be required to to raise the entire the entire build structure Um, we did do probable estimates of cost at the time This project that we're proposing here now at the time when we were estimating that was about it was around in the $8 million range With the measure of funding, you know, that was within our our budgetary align allotments The next step up of of raising the structure Um, depending on the material started to escalate and so we ended up I think the raised structure Put us at a $16 million cost and then a concrete structure I think put us closer to the $20 million cost and so you know and and also the would would would necessitate removal and replacement of both of the buildings out there um the decision that council made at the time was that we were going to leave the buildings as they were um and and given that we didn't have the budget To double the project cost we just weren't able to to really exercise the idea of raising the entire wharf Thanks for giving us that history Um, I just have go ahead So during public outreach we you know, there was a lot of different options put on the table as far as what do we Do we do anything and how do we make use of the that widened section? The reason for the widened section is is primarily to provide additional strength To that we can the the weakest link, I guess in the wharf the way it is now As we saw this year, you know, the the reason for this project was you know, exactly what we we witnessed this year was that That's the vulnerable area of the wharf and we wanted to add strength and resiliency to that During public outreach, there was no desire to add additional vehicle traffic on the wharf and additional parking wasn't something people wanted I think the What you know the message we were getting both from from council and from the community was that this is a This is a pedestrian wharf primarily, you know We have a couple spots out there for ADA and for deliveries for the businesses But otherwise Traffic is by foot, you know stroller bikes things like that and didn't really want this turn to turn into a vehicle Wharf and we really just don't have the space out there I like they do that the Santa Cruz Wharf to have a large parking lot Questions go ahead Paul. Yeah, the security gate Given it's 2023 and there's sort of more sophisticated modern techniques for deterrence We really need it. It's kind of It's not very expensive. I suppose You know it restricts view. It's kind of a big one. It's just wide Um, is it feasible to not have that? Is anybody considered that? Well, so I guess that it's an interesting question. I mean, so It's primarily open as when you're when you're as a visitor visiting the wharf like the gates You can there's a straight shot looking down the wharf. You don't see the gate except when it's closed and when it's closed It's usually evening nighttime So no, there was never a thought of not having the security gate because I think Intention behind it being security for the businesses was was a driver and that's why it was placed initially so No, that that wasn't a consideration Yeah, but when it's open and you're on the beach and you're looking at the wharf now you're going to see a much larger metal structure It's quite a bit different than the original wharf that was one of my Not so much as you're on the wharf, but it's other people the other You know like in that picture over there you're going to see it when you're on the Like I said, there are a lot of ways to deter people from doing stupid things. Anyway, just a thought Oh, the other question is are the bathrooms plumbed into an existing sewer line and that's getting rebuilt as part of the utility rebuild Yes, yes, so there's the the sanitary sewer line that's out there right now This will be connected to that. We do have to make quite a some substantial repairs of that line as a result of the damage That was uh incurred this this january Okay, thank you My question is and I know this is not what we're discussing tonight But several people have asked me Did you just briefly go over the numbers what the wharf was going to cost before to be repaired before it Got damaged what it's going to cost now that it's been damaged And how much of the funding comes from the city of capitol and how much from other agencies So that that'll be a primary part of the meeting of with the City council next week. Um, I can roughly I think we're I'm not sure exactly what's in the staff reports, but I think we're in the ballpark of around a nine million dollar project with the additional damages that have been incurred this year um, we have um, did previous Grant through the Stone's office that we ended up through the coastal conservancy for 1.9 million um, we have in a recent um from panetta's office That proposed us for federal funding of 3.5 million and then we have the Insurance for the for the wave wash damage. I think at the ballpark of one for measure f Yeah, I guess the remain We have a surplus on measure f stuff Hey, good evening. Good evening chair and commissioners just the comm public works director So your question to make sure I understood was how much was the wharf Cost and how much they are now and then where that funding coming from correct Okay, so the original project was a bit less I believe it was about seven million dollars But that was prior to knowing that we were going to get federal funding So the full scope of this project was always around 8.5 Considering the restrooms and all the upgrades the full desired project of the city Um with there's about a million dollars of storm damage The total brings us up to about 8.9 million dollars that we expect to when we bid this project to come back to I'm like hey last night. We had about a million dollars in insurance 3.5 from our federal grant 1.9 from our state grant and then about 750 thousand dollars in general funds And then the remainder would be in measure f which I believe is something like I want to say 3.35 million dollars Great and then at the end of the day if you consider the cost of all of the construction plus the project that we did in phase one plus all of the engineering and scoping that we've done Over the past almost decade the total price is about 10.3 million dollars for the project as a whole Great. Now that will be re-reviewed at the council meeting next Thursday Thank you. That helps me now. I can answer people's questions Any other questions on the staff report before we open the public hearing Okay, we'll open the public hearing on the war fight them if there's anyone here from the public who would like to speak You're welcome to come up to the podium pardon me We're talking about the Item a on the public hearing the wharf the capitol a wharf repair Which item were you interested in? Okay, that was on our consent calendar And you may not know that our meetings now start at six o'clock So that item has Come and gone Sorry, sorry you missed it Okay, so we're opening this anyone here who would like to talk to us about the capitol wharf Okay, seeing no one we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the commissioners Just want to make sure there's no one on zoom Thank you for reminding me There is one viewer on zoom, but they do not have their hand raised Thank you. Thank you um All right, so who who would like to start? Hey Okay, um, I'm curious why the um The bathrooms at the head of the war and even the bathrooms at the front are I mean are the businesses ever planning to be remodeled? Are they going? I mean they're going to be revamped at a certain point after the renovation So from a public works charge when we made the decision back in 2018 council just Charge us with just the the structure itself and we want to to include the buildings as part of the consideration for the project well, I mean, I think my my line of question is regarding The structure itself for the wharf is being, you know revamped and improved and better the bathrooms themselves going in the front and the rear you know that the head and the Entry of the wharf are going to be put in now and then the work will be reopened and then The businesses will be left to then remodel or reopen it at the time that They can't be. Um, is there was there any consideration we put to maybe incorporating the design of the bathrooms into the design of the new? I mean like how how the businesses are going? So, um, not yet once we once we know the exact What's going on with those businesses as we've learned along the esplanade every time we open a wall We find something new in those businesses. So One idea one of the reasons for the bathroom outside of Those structures was that there would be more design freedom if if those buildings were to be rebuilt in any manner So you could open up the view because right now they you can't see you towards East cliff so just kind of being able to open the view and have a little more design freedom if if those are to get redeveloped in the future but Yes, that's curious because Yes Yeah, I have a couple comments. Um, so I think there's like I separate the two bathrooms as two different things to talk about The one at the entrance to the wharf Um comments that I've heard back from the community is um It's a little bit challenging and since it has a little bit of modern flair, but Um, it seems like it could work in. Um, some of the questions would be asked around that is You know, can the cladding be can we look at? Can the city or or a group people look at the cladding options? Um on is that the best fit or the best like design option but from overall location? I hear that Um, and I personally don't really have a problem with design the location But are there options or selections that can be chosen different for the cladding of the outside of the building? um Overall, so if if the if we get more feedback that the exterior cladding of the That structure that they prefer once rm goes through there. They'll be working with like a subcommittee Um, and we get that feedback. There's a lot of flexibility for the one Right at the entrance to the wharf in terms of we can add different exterior finishes. There are many to choose from um The one at the end of the wharf is different There's not many choices to be made on the design of that one And so with that with the one at the end of the wharf, that's where I hear most of the community concerns regarding that bathroom um Right right now in the wharf house does have a bathroom that's open Um, or people do use that bathroom. So there is a bathroom at the end of the wharf We don't know what condition is but like pre-storm there was a bathroom that can be used. Um Uh, the concern around it is the utilitarian look of that unit. Um, how do people feel about that bathroom being? um so visible or so You know, not not a very private stall. Um, I know when you research and you read about it You know the drive for the design factor was so you see people's feet, you know contain drug activity um Many other different things that would go on in a bathroom like that. Um, but I think it's a little bit unique in the sense of No matter where we stand on a security gate, but there's a security gate that'll be closed. So those sorts of activities would be kind of only during You know during the daytime when people are around not so as much as it was in a little park and at nighttime People sleeping or something like that. So I was one concerned and I've heard the other thing is just how it looks um and that how it's um Forget any enhancements that might get brought together from the community Just the overall feel of that bathroom in that location. Um Was a concern that I've heard and a concern that I personally have around that Um, I know there's sensitivity around schedule and driving uh forward to that But is there a way that you know, uh, the project can be designed that we know that a bathroom's going to be at the end of the um At the end of the wharf and then that it be considered to be something I'm a different uh, sort of input around that or Is there really a need for a bathroom at this phase of the project right now? One could funding be held out for that and that when Uh, if we want I don't like use uh companies names or But the wharf house for say building structure is brought up and If that tenant that they're now or the future tenant remiles it that that may the bathroom could be incorporated into that and we might not need There'd be a bathroom out there for public use But it would also you know be designed into the building So they wouldn't have the aesthetic feature sitting at the end of our wharf the comments I've heard from the community is like The wharf has an opportunity to be something so special and then we put a bathroom that looks like that at the end of the wharf that will kind of Messages that send to the overall view of the capitol and We want the wharf to turn to be I think a destination when it opens up And the destination with that bathroom sitting there. I just have some concerns over so um my understanding is that when we When the city applied for the grant money There's definitely a component of that that We have said that there will be a public bathroom at the end of the wharf and we've committed to that And so they'll they'll want to see us execute on that However, if the planning commission has concerns about the design of that bathroom, I think for You could make a recommendation Like it would be really nice to get an approval tonight so the city council could move forward but you could put in that a recommendation of I'm sure they could Do some type of custom work to the bottom so you couldn't see feet, you know so that it's not open It could probably be customized in that respect, but just Putting the concerns out there to the city council within a recommendation would be appropriate Removing it would be problematic because the the funding is tied to that site. So you did ask Could it be removed and Thought about later and that would be problematic. I've asked that question a couple times to our Public works director knowing that there have been some comments of Concerns about that design Can I follow up on your point because it's on the same thing so but I think it would be possible For us to include in our conditions something that says if The wharf building itself is going to be, you know, significantly remodeled and redone At that time it seems like whatever public bathroom is out there should be incorporated You know in in that building and it could have access from the outside It doesn't have to in the restaurant would have its own bathroom But rather than having, you know, sort of Stand alone. I mean I look at this bathroom. It's almost sort of a temporary portable bathroom And so if we got to the point where the buildings on the end of the wharf were going to be redone And that would be the time to get rid of that Temporary bathroom and have a new permanent bathroom included in that remodel sure I think that's a condition you could Yeah, so Walking on to that. Is there Is there a time frame on when this bathroom has to be put in place? Yes, by the end of the By the time the project is finaled to get all of the funds It would have to be Install funding from and we talked about funny. It's like the funding from penance's office is Conditioned on that there is a new public bathroom Install that thing in the wharf outside of the one that's at the wharf house Yes, so anything that was incorporated in the plans that we sent off and asked funding Towards has to be incorporated into the And we reviewed the options about possibly just adding on to the wharf house building You know if the bathrooms are right there that we I mean if this is a temporary solution There is an opportunity to Do that other than have that so I think it would be appropriate to add a condition that Like at the time of redevelopment of the structures at the end of the wharf The city should consider Incorporating public bathrooms or re you know reconsider the Yeah, incorporate the public review of public bathrooms I don't think you want to I would not want a condition on there that is absolute and says that they need to be removed at that time Because i'm not sure if there's any Um like legal implications there tied to this funding So I just I think we should state that we should relook at them at the time of But I just don't want to jeopardize anything in terms of funding I can appreciate the funding aspect of things obviously we don't want to see that jeopardized all but If that was a condition that That that building might have Maybe never be removed and so that might be you know, let's say The new wharf house design They decide not to incorporate it that build that new outhouse That's going to be put in as a potential then to stay there and be a fixture on the wharf for many years to come, right? Yeah, I think as long as we we can require that it be Look reviewed again and considered in the new design And that's where when I would want to look to see a different opportunity for a bathroom other than the one that Proposed today just with the comment. So so one thing to know with the portland bathroom is it is If it serves its purpose there and we find out that legally like if it complies that we could put off site and then rebuild something Down the line when the build structures are rebuilt It is it can be moved to a new site easily and re-adapted. So that that is a benefit of the portland So, I'm sorry. So just just for clarification. So if A commissioner votes no on that They're not agreement with that bathroom that jeff rays all were funding for the whole project That jeopardizes the timing and possible funding. So it would it would take a considerable amount of time to Uh redesign the bathroom would you know to hire an architect redesign it and then get the updated plans approved by the funding When it's I'm sorry to go back and forth just I just I'm just really trying to say it's a portable bathroom, right? And so the design thing is just that it's going to be brought out on a crane and put into the plumbing that's going to be roughed in during the project and so looking at other options of Other bathroom might be more aesthetically pleasing for the work that can be put And so the work can be getting rebuilt it can be getting roughed in knowing that we have to have a bathroom And I appreciate that clarification But a bathroom that is more conducive to what the community would be looking for at the end of the work With that that would really jeopardize the project That that that is my understanding Yeah, so it I I apologize because you know, we're coming back to you and asking for an approval of a design And I I think there's certain mitigations we can put in place. I think we can Do a recommendation to the city council that if there's the any ability to modify those bathrooms That they consider it but my understanding is because These plans are what were approved at the time of that we kind of have our hands that I do think in terms of I know I do think that we could modify the water we wanted to make it so that the feet were not visible. I think Figure out a way to do that, but Just look at my missing I mean, I think Joe you're right that our commitment is to is to Provide a bathroom at both ends of the of the wharf structure With in this as part of this project and we were kind of constrained by having The requirement to do that without making any modifications to the buildings themselves and so That was kind of the constraints that we had that drove us to this point. So I think what you're saying Guess what I'm hearing is if we were able to Change the design of that bathrooms, but still meet all the kind of factors that we were having to design around as far as parking Trash receptacles and all that Within the timeline of still executing the project. We just need to deliver a bathroom So I think you At this point it'd be it would be hard to say no to that bathroom because then we're not delivering a bathroom Right, we need to move forward with having a project that says yes, we're gonna Provide I think it's probably difficult to go back in time and say city council or planning commission when they approved the overall design On the wharf that there's gonna be a bathroom there that they knew that today the bathroom would look like the one that's being proposed Like that might have been oh, no Then we don't want a bathroom if that's where it's supposed to be or we want the bathroom to be connected to the wharf house So it is more a significant reason. So I would I'd feel Just in my uh commissioners, um feel very strong that there'd be a condition that When and if the wharf house is addressed that that is the primary function or Key would be that that bathroom would be removed and that this is like A temporary bathroom facility to the Degree that we can be sensitive to our community and the viewing is just knowing that it's until it's a it's a Complete band-aid until so we can get our funding, which is our goal But also addressed our community concerns that That's not what capital is about and that's not what I think the vision of the pier should be the portable toilet like that think in the in the uh The 2020 time frame that bathroom looked pretty much like what you're presenting today planning commission in the city council Great Just think when this project was first approved in 2020 there was a bathroom that looked like this thing roughly in the plans correct I don't know if we had the the design for this bathroom at that point I think we just had the locations called out, but I think we I believe we initially Um had it framed out to have two excellent bathrooms But then that the ability to have a second excellent bathroom in that location wasn't visible That's my recollection because I was here then. Uh, I think we just indicated where the locations of the bathroom So the ex lube is the bathroom at the entrance to the war and that's what was proposed originally Out of the head of the war because of the weight Okay, well, I would agree with commissioner jensen if we could write the proper wording for revisiting this in the future to Eliminate this temporary thing that would be good. It doesn't really I have heard comments. It doesn't really fit Understand the weight requirements and have what you've got to deal with in physical size any other comments One more question, um, I'm wondering why the decision was made to have prefabricated units Is it just cost or was it we just ease of use or use of application? Just the the prefabricated even the bathroom at the entry um Having it be so cook better instead of So the the one at the foot that that brand does have the opportunity you can have exterior showers on that So that that is an option there. Um, as far as the When we brought this to council, we did have the plan to have a prefabricated bathroom just because we wanted it to have those amenities And we didn't have an architectural team As well that wasn't wasn't yeah, it wasn't provided as part of the project for myself of everybody else has done um When I look at the area where the prefabricated bathroom Um at the portland loop one is going to go in at the end of the wharf I mean currently that whole area is a mess. I mean there's dumpsters in there um, there's there's often, you know garbage smells and so um, I think the ultimate solution really does need to be that when those buildings are redone That there is, you know, not only public bathrooms incorporated in but some sort of facility for the garbage dumpsters to go in And that whole area clean cleaned up um so For me personally, I agree Um, I would like to see the door. I don't know if the door has to say portland loop on it I mean, I I would like to see it as plain as possible And maybe we could do something artistically on the side of it have it painted Um, you know to have it look a little better But but right now that whole area is a mess And so that's why in my mind I can live with it because I see it as a temporary solution Uh, uh for an area that you know needs to be cleaned up um For the um bathrooms that are going in the front of the wharf Uh, I hope that we can include some language in there that, um, you know options can be looked at for Upgrading the exterior of that bathroom I was not completely clear from looking at the drawings I saw Whether the wood went all the way around the building, you know, how that actually Works So it seems like we could approve those in concept with giving, uh, you know staff Um, the opportunity to you know look at some different Exteriors, um To even work with this new committee that's being formed. So if there is money to Upgrade those that you know that that can happen and we're not really just looking at option one and option two for them For the siding on the bathrooms Um And um, I did have a question about moving the gates forward the entry gates Is if you move those forward You do have the staircase that comes up from the beach. It's now going to be on the wharf Side of those gates So i'm assuming you're planning to put some sort of gate or closure there So if you're closing the wharf because there's a major storm and you think it's dangerous for people to get there That that entrance will also have a way of being blocked off Yeah, that's correct. We had this we had the same thought. Um, so the the plan is to just have a swinging gate That just ties into the For the most part it's it's going to be open. So it marries up to the the side of the at the second The first landing the top the landing at the top It swings open and it would just be a gate that can swing closed to just provide Be at the height of the railing so it wouldn't be a tall gate It would just be the height of the railing and it would swing closed when we when we did close the wharf But otherwise they would remain open Um And I will say i'm probably going to get myself in trouble with the community um The design of that entry gate I personally never thought was a wonderful piece of architecture or design so, um I'm hoping that if there is a committee that raises money to do some improvements out on the wharf One of the things that they will consider is to Look and see if architecturally. I know everyone likes the rod iron capitol But the little stucco columns with the little tile roofs on them I've always thought could be improved. So Again, we can let the staff deal with that um, I did agree with commissioners sd about The big security gate at the end because it is now going to be a very big gate And even when it's open, you're going to have these I can't remember exactly how tall it is, but it's like 10 or 12 feet I mean those gates are going to have to open and go against the side of the wharf and pieces are going to stick out so again, um You know not to jeopardize anything. I would like to add some sort of condition that the You know public works department and the council look at trying to come up with some other alternatives um that might serve the purpose of You know security there rather than the need for this large gate And they may not be able to come up with anything that property owners may object I don't know, but I do think it's something that ought to be investigated and looked at at least Um by the staff and the council to see if there could be another option there for for solving that problem So those are sort of my comments and I guess we need to put all of this into a motion I'm assuming no one has any problem with the piling since we didn't talk about that I have just a question of clarification. Um when we make a motion um, aren't You know, it seems like lots of we come back and um as a commissioner or you hear the council sometimes get their hands tied From previous decisions that are made like that. Um, how can we um Myself as commissioner ensure that It will be The main focus will be when the wharf house building is addressed That that bathroom will be incorporated into the design. We're not only allowed to do that at our authority level How can we ensure that that comment is brought forward to the city council and that they make it a condition if they're going to prove The wharf through Guathebid that we have a connection. So this seems like Um, what I've experienced is that when things get put in and then history goes by and they kind of slip through and then It'll always be there and it's like it was been here for five years and Continue on um, so I'm looking for guidance leadership It's yourself Susan or from staff on how You can ensure that I think it's difficult to Assure guarantee 100% that anything that involves politics is going to happen in the future because people change and attitudes change, but I do think um um We could make a motion and we could include in that motion Uh wording that if the you know buildings on the wharf are ever um Significantly remodeled or rebuilt that um the option of having public bathrooms incorporated in those buildings rather than using um the Temporary modular bathrooms be something that is considered in that design Uh And I also would like them to consider in that design providing areas to deal with the garbage in dumpsters That are also located in that area is for me It's all an eyesore out there um I I would like to include another condition that says that you know In the future that the Entry gate Be looked at If there's an opportunity to improve that design As as the wharf goes forward and that's pretty loose and pretty vague But at least it raises it as an issue that you know, I hope it's something that that someone will look at Was that gate considered historic? No, not the safety gate so we can or the other the other which gate entrance gate the entrance gate It shouldn't be historic because I remember that being put in right. We we know In the follow-up I when I did some research on the toilet from Portland, I don't know what's what I'm sorry lost the name But there is an option that uh for artwork to be able to be included on it a vital wrap I'm can be included like that. So maybe that's something, you know That would be an option that that unit is ordered with the least amount of company logo brand on it and that we any option that we'd have to do Or the city ordered that it would be able to Accommodate any artwork or the vinyl wrap that they talk about in their informational stuff that's on the web And it seems like a good place for that to come from would actually be the arts commission because they have money uh, so Maybe we could sort of word the condition that You know Ask the arts commission to look at you know Doing some artistic treatment on that As as one of their next projects And it'll never get removed though I'm just kidding when you put the public art Right, we're gonna. That's a great idea. I'm just yeah, I'm gonna be a fundraiser. Yeah, it'll be a fun And then I think that one of the things just that we would include That the bottom would be screened Um of that unit and so as much privacy can be Built into that unit as possible okay I have a few notes that I could try to Create some conditions. I'm gonna try Sure When the design of the wharf house is reviewed for a remodel or rebuild Um, the struck So I shall consider incorporating public restrooms and a trash enclosure In the design and consider removing the Portland Lou bathroom ahead of the war Right the only change I would make is I don't think it's the wharf house restaurant I think when either of the buildings out there is because you could incorporate it in the building that has the Big shop as well. So not just the wharf house, but if either of the buildings are Is there sorry do you have more I know I I I would I'm just I'm just struggling a little bit. Is there a Stronger word we can use other than um, I think it still seems a little bit big like Would it be looked at? I mean can we say it's strongly encouraged, you know, um From community response. I mean like I think the document in the history that it seems like As myself I'm almost forced to vote yes on the issue because the funding that could jeopardize the city Being trying to be responsive enough to know that It is the ultimate goal that unit leave as soon as possible Yeah, I think you're correct. So I get we can word this more strongly. Um, sorry Yeah And you know, I have to tell you I I don't find the design of that particular bathroom objectionable And I I haven't heard from the community the same thing that you've heard that they don't like the design of that bathroom So I I don't want to get too Into it since we don't have a lot to go on other than what you've heard from the people you talked to But I've heard from the people I talked to and that's really not a public process So I agree with you though. I mean if there I just feel like it's a shame to not have a provision to where everything can be at least Designed to be incorporated with itself even the even the bathrooms at the head. I mean at the entry The bathrooms at the head of the wharf everything that's like the whole all the structures kind of relate to one another So it's not mismatched process at the end of I mean, that's yeah, I think one of the biggest mistakes the city did when those structures were built They let the people who were going to occupy them design them and build them Yeah, rather than have it be sort of a Itty process. I don't think that will happen Okay, that was condition number one. Okay, and then the second condition The Portland Lou door shall not say Portland shall not have the company logo on it and future enhancement of the Portland Lou would be reviewed by the arts commission for the possibility of an art front and the bottom shall be screened so So this is all going to be part of the recommendation, right? It's an improvement recommendation So the public works department and city council Are being recommended alternatives are recommending that they consider alternatives to the gate the security gate the entry gate designed The single bathroom If there is an opportunity during construction or fitting so just kind of leaving that door open saying What we're hearing is there isn't that opportunity, but should that opportunity be considered? And then The last one is tied to looking at additional alternatives for the full exterior understanding all the stalls Exactly what we said someone like a make a motion containing those four amendments. Yeah, I'll I'll move that we Uh We prove this for the recommendation from staff what with the additions we just added which I think are Motion in a second. We have a roll all vote Commissioner esti. Hi Commissioner Jensen. Hi Vice chair christiansen and chair westman. Hi All right. Thank you all very much. Thank you for being here public works department. It was very helpful So the next item on our agenda is the citywide housing element update And we're going to get a staff report on the progress being made on our sixth cycle update Okay, thank you chair westman and good evening planning commission tonight. I'm going to give you an update on the Housing element and Sean is pulling that out. Okay next slide, please So our consultant team, I just wanted to Brett stinson and Veronica tam and associates They've been working really hard on our housing element update the past two weeks I would say we're doing about 10 emails a day and I'm getting chapters and reviewing them and sending them back. So Um, right now we're we're on the home stretch. They're not here tonight Tonight we're really keeping the review to Just as an update and then two items that I'm looking for One item that I'm looking for feedback on two sites So, uh, but Veronica and Brett will be joining us once we get the public document out And we do our public hearing on that at our next meeting in june So next slide, please uh previous updates in february Planning commission had an overview of what the housing element is and what the task in front of us is Um, we had a joint a joint meeting on march 16th 2023 And in that joint meeting we again introduce what is the housing element update? And then we really got into an overview of the sites inventory the process of a sites inventory And then for the first time revealed our first draft of the sites inventory and got great feedback from both planning commission and city council at that hearing Which is update in our updated map Next slide, please So tonight's agenda quick overview again in case anyone's tuning in from home and wants to know what a housing element is Uh, second is i'd like to move forward with the selection of two sites for conceptual build out And then go over our next steps with the exciting news of our public review draft being available next week Next slide, please So what is the housing element a housing element is one of seven elements that's required within the general plan It really lays out all the looks at our existing um Framework within the city and how we can best accommodate future housing And the deadline for our housing element to be adopted is by december 31st And it's reviewed by the state of california housing and community development department Uh for compliance next slide, please And this I just went over but really what what are we looking for within a sites inventory is Making sure that there is land suitable and available for residential development to meet the look To meet our city's regional housing needs by income level So the city of capitolah through the ambag process Was allocated 1,336 units within rena and it's divided 50 percent or within are extremely low and very low and low income And the other 50 percent are between the moderate households and market rate And when we create a sites inventory, the first thing we do is Review what happened in the fifth cycle and we remove any developed or unavailable sites We add new re-zoned or available sites and do our site suitability analysis Um And also look at what pending approvals are out there. So 4401 capitolah road will count towards our next cycle It actually counts towards both cycles. Um, and then we identify gaps and strategies to meet Affirmative permanently furthering fair housing Next slide, please Within capitolah we there are many different angles you can look at for sites because we are mostly built out We're really looking at underutilized sites and we look at the existing use How old are they and are they ready for redevelopment? Is there any interest by the property owner? And then one other thing we really need to look at is what is the realistic capacity if we had unrealistic numbers in our Sites inventory, we would definitely hear back from the hcd that we need to reevaluate sites. So realistic capacity and if you can just The basis of that is that we really need to figure out what the typical densities are within capitolah And that our projections fit within those densities at the last at the joint meeting I went through examples of different developments within town and what their densities were So that's the basis of many of the densities that you see on the sites inventory map So these are the realistic densities this is the map of what densities are out there I'm not going to go through every slide of every property I went through at the last meeting but Relative capitol is a dense city. We um, historically we've been the most dense city within Santa Cruz county I'm not sure at what point the the city of Santa Cruz is doing a lot of development right now So they might surpass us in the near future But we are a very dense community and have a lot of dense developments Um, this is the sites inventory map I don't know if there's a way to get the Well on the top it would say this is the sites inventory map and it looks at some of the calculations within capitolah We got comments back during the planning the joint meeting of planning commission and city council and if you can go next slide During that meeting. I've highlighted and read the sites to be removed Um, one comment was there's too many sites along capitolah road on the south side Also, uh, the building next to burger king was requested to be removed. That's pretty much built out I think that was an accident on our part including it And then in looking at the map it was really heavy to the west and there were great suggestions So why don't we look at the bay avenue? capitolah avenue intersection and really look all the way up capitolah avenue So we took a really good look at that corridor. We added the sites. We thought were appropriate north of Bay Avenue on cap ab there are quite a few Multi-family once you go past the donut station That those would not each cd would question if we included those But we we did add quite a few sites along cap ab as directed The other item in the new map is that we've removed all fourth and fifth cycle sites And that is because uh, they would be buy right development at this point. So if if the site has been In your inventory for two rounds Then if a developer came in it would be a buy right development. So you would have no Overview of that. So to play it safe. We're removing those If there are sites from the The last rounds that you feel okay about buy right development. Please let me know. I know 600 park We've all kind of been rooting for that one to redevelop and it was a focal point in the last two rounds But at this point of it, we thought it might be too risky. So we took it out Next slide, please This is the fifth cycle housing. So these are the ones that have been taken out as well Next slide So here's our updated sites inventory map and we'll come back to this Next slide, please And our new numbers. So this is how We're breaking down the the individual income levels I think there's a projection of 50 ad use for the future Cycle we may we'll see where that ends in the end right now what I want to Draw your attention to is the far right bottom corner where it says Um, what is right now? We're at 120 21 percent. So we're 21 percent above our rena number requirement The map you're seeing today is not going to be the final map So we're kind of we're cushioning ourselves for this next step of getting public comment on the map getting feedback I know during the joint meeting there was discussions of Should it be down to 15 percent? Should it be at 20 and we'll be bringing that back to both planning commission and city council during the adoption Phase but at this time we're not trying we want to hear from people in here If there's some sites that are inappropriate and have it come out through the public process rather than Us getting it down to the correct number at this point. So next slide, please So this evening Within our contract with rm design They are going to prepare two concepts of what The development potential is of two sites and kind of show where the building layouts would be and illustrate the potential Where I've talked about the site earlier 600 park av this was done This site was actually there was a redevelopment concept put together. I want to say in 2007 I Was done by midpen and I apologize that they flipped the image. It's not north south, but So this is park avenue the 600 park avenue they're I just wanted to give you an idea of what a conceptual what you should expect So this is showing at that time when midpen did a study on this They were almost doubling the units out there With a new layout and that was a I think they had a phased approach I think there there are multiple iterations of what could have been done here But this is just for illustrative purposes tonight to just show you what what to expect from rm Next slide, please So We're we're back to the map. I would I want to comment on One item we had Some public comments that were submitted And asking about a few of the sites that were included in the map So I just want to clarify those points and then I thought we could Go out for public hearing and then come back and discuss This slide and and where you'd like to see possible sites So jade street the community center there was well, I think the comment was that From the public was we really need to be thoughtful about not losing more open space, which is I think that's near and dear to all of our hearts. So I just wanted to give an explanation and We should maybe When them we'll consider the sites but jade street community center, there were eight sites allocated there and it was really To be clear, maybe if if we were to include this site in the inventory, we should probably have a drawing Including because it was for the area right behind the preschool to allow for teacher housing So it was uh, that was the concept. It was not to be on the soccer fields or on the parks But that's hard to decipher when you're looking at a map like this So that was the idea. There was up to eight units and directly It's kind of a gravel lot right behind the preschool. The second one was the water wise demonstration garden Where uh capitol a road comes to warfroad and actually that site on the map is meant for Shadowbrook parking lot. There's the second parking lot to shadowbrook And we were thinking employee housing or just some type of you know, affordable housing on that site not not to At all impact the water wise demonstration gardens. So wouldn't be there The other one was the senior center garden the parking area or open space is what we were thinking there the senior center has quite a bit of Space and so it could possibly be a few We're just thinking it'd be nice to have a couple senior housing units on that site if they wanted But it it definitely I actually had them change the note to say open space because it's definitely not meant to be right on their gardens So I think that was misleading how we had the first map identifying the gardens And it just gives that opportunity for some senior housing there, but it would be vertical maybe over the parking lot and the last one the mini park at Monterey Avenue Bay Avenue and That's the area that's in front of the produce Sales and the fish lady right and that is part of a commercial property. It's not an official park So I just wanted to clarify those sites in the thought process, but there was Definitely in considering all of these I think um We could do a better job of Outlining exactly what Where if we were to include these because I think it's important to save our open space And with that Do you have any questions before we go to public hearing? Don't does anyone have any questions before we open to the public? The space on front of the fish lady that's not Well that parcel is included so that space is included But I think if there are concerns about that we could get a little more specific Right is that is a commercial piece of property? Yeah, they use for commercial purposes at times as part of Just a huge market. Yeah Pumpkins just would seem like such a shame to lose something like that It's such a vibrant I mean it was a gas station. Yeah, I understand I just I grew up with it. So it's like I think you see it all the time All right, we're gonna open The housing element discussion Open the public hearing if there's anyone here who would like to make any comments Please come to the podium if you would like your name included in the minutes you can sign in And the new trick is you now have to turn on the microphone to be able to talk into it There's a little button at the bottom. So you get a bright green light I'm paula bradley and it sounds like it's on that does have a green light um Thank you for clarifying about some of the sites where the open space and parks are That's really helpful. And I just have a few questions. So I don't know if they can be answered here Or at a later time, but I'll I'll go ahead and just tell you You know ask them and we'll see if we can answer. Okay. Yeah, I'll just throw them out there. See what happens So I I would like a little more clarification on the the inventory where there's congregational sites I I didn't know if that meant housing on their parking lot or You know Above the church. I have no idea what that meant There's a The one story apartments on 44th avenue. I was wondering what the idea is That's the site identified as a 50 open space. It's kind of a park like open Apartment area and it was just curious if that had to do with the previous state legislation adding that Units could be added to multifamily properties So it's curious about that And then I'd also like to know what measures capitol is Taking to ensure some of these sites would actually be employee or teacher housing So I know they're identified as that on the inventory, but how could that actually happen that those sites would be that Are there any in lu fees or something that the city has? Um, I'd just like to hear about that. Thank you Thank you uh, and I I believe that We can answer all three of the your questions pretty briefly if you want to go ahead and do that katie Yeah, so congregational sites we we um, there's new straight state legislation out around this that um, you can utilize churches can utilize up to 50 percent of their parking lots for um housing We are being very conservative on those sites. We don't think 50 percent is where we want to go But all of the congregations with sites within capitol. We are suggesting a smaller amount included On 44th avenue. There is a really nice single story apartment complex And I I we did a tour there with our contract With rm and veronica and there's just a lot of open space there and in particular there's some space Towards the back That wouldn't be that disruptive to the whole layout. So they did we were considering that site But that you still keep that whole open space feel there. So again, just adding a small amount to that site and not So leaving everything else in place and allowing for another building Thought there and then employer teacher housing. This is something actually that our planning commission has been Really focused on when they approved 4401 capitol a road. They placed a condition on there, which we can do in the future Tied to giving preference to people that work within One and a half miles of capitol. So really that's to help Decrease impacts of driving and provide More opportunities for locals or people that are making a really big impact in our In terms of funding You know, we as at a staff level we've been communicating when mall redevelopment was being looked at reaching out to some of the larger Corporations within the Santa Cruz area and seeing if there's any interest in workforce housing also reaching out to like cobrillo and some of the healthcare, but at this time, you know, we don't have special Funding structured, but I think more and more employees are creating that within their own budgets and Really conditioning for local for local worker preference. Sorry to interrupt. We do have a participant on zoom Good evening commission and staff. Thank you for the time to speak. This is Ryan Mechel with Santa Cruz EMB I just want to thank staff and the consultants for all their time spent on this I'm really looking forward to reading the full draft housing element when that comes out I did have a few questions. If you'd answer them, I would super appreciate it. I know that's not always possible Personally just a comment on the consolidated sites notation on the site inventory. I assume that When you group those together those mean that each of those parcels has the same owner Is that the case? Another question with regards to the parcel near new Brighton Is that a parcel that the city owns or is that part of the state beach? I know the city of Santa Cruz initially included some sites that were owned by the state, but since they don't have Land use authority over them. They removed them from their their list as well If that's owned by the state is their interest in development there Um And thirdly just with a comment with regards to the school and congregational sites Is the city relying solely on the state bills to get those densities to a point where they're developable Or will there be a programmer policy in the housing elements? To consider rezoning those sites for higher density so that they can be built on. Thank you How do we want to Sure, okay those now and so the consolidated sites. I apologize ryan, but I'm I Our intent was for all the consolidated sites to be um Due to like shared ownership of the the sites where they're consolidated, but I will double check on that Um, so I apologize. I'm gonna that one. I'm gonna hold off on for now a new Brighton site I've been in touch with state parks and kind of pushing for this site. I think um, and we also included the Department of Motor Vehicle site, which is also owned by the state It's really a request of they they own a very large portion of capitol within the new Brighton state park There's also a great need. I think within their own employees to have employee housing. And so that is state owned it's um Accessed off of McGregor and it's next to our skate park and we thought that if there's a place We definitely don't want to take away from open space But that site is it's kind of steep and accessed separately from the park and maybe an ideal location um And so in talking with them They're continuing to pass me on to other people so i'm not quite sure how to answer. Are they interested in development? But i'm trying to get them there um To because we do need them to show interest in order for that site to be included in the final map It would be removed from by hcd and in terms of schools and congregate congregational sites We at this point One of the action items that will come out within our housing element update is to look at Right now it's being driven by state law but to incorporate state law into our zoning code So it's not quite a rezone, but it's acknowledging what the what the allowance is under state law and um putting that like as an overlay or just special requirements for congregational sites So we will be an outcome of that will be to update our zoning Within a year. I think is how we've worded it So I hope that answers your questions this evening. Thank you Anyone else? Thanks for reminding me again about the zoom because I do forget So we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the commission and Do you want to go over the? Sites the five sites and then we discuss them or how would you like to handle that? Sure Let's um and I actually I had to remove the clairs street Sites because they were in the fifth and sixth cycle so I thought that was an accident that they got removed and then I was Let me just So if we go to the next slide is The first site I'd like to talk about is This is on 38th avenue. It's the bouldering gym site. It's 1404 38th avenue It's almost a one point. It's 1.4 acres in size It's owned by the owl family and they do have interest in redeveloping this site in the future When I did my tour around with our consultants There they thought this was a terrific site to look at Not to get rid of the agility builders site, but to kind of build things around it possibly and Build it out. So lots of land area there and there's not that large of a building on it. So that's one site next slide, please This second one is 14 30 40 first have this is the previous outdoor world. It's 1.09 acres I've had several phone calls with this with the property owner here or the property manager over the years of We just cannot fill this site. They're having a really hard time retentating that space Um, they also have been in contact with me about the sites inventory and interest in possible redevelopment And so this is another one we could look at and again, it would be keeping the two Other sites that are occupied commercial sites and then possibly doing a redevelopment at the back of a lot Next slide, please And lastly, this is 44 50 capitol a road It's a single story office building on the corner of capitol a road and 45th avenue Again, it's a single story. The one next to it is double two stories. We took that out of the inventory So there's uh with a single story building. This is one we could also look at to go vertical and I'm not sure what our arm would decide on this one, but another site And it is just over an acre In in picking a site, it'd be great to get one that is larger, you know to be at least an acre But at a minimum a half acre For compliance with state So this is not a requirement of a housing element update, but it's a really good practice so that Just so to be able to visualize what the what future build out could look like And i'm i'd love to hear any new sites that you're interested in as well Uh, the one new site that I think we should find out about is um, it's my understanding that I'm forgetting the name of the grocery store That's going to new leaf is going to move into where the old lucky store was And so it seems that that building at the back of the new leaf where new leaf is located It's pretty similar to the outdoor world building And it's going to be interesting to see if they have any and there's a big parking lot back there as part of that Uh, if they would have some interest in redeveloping the back part of that site for housing Any others? That's the only one it's a great recommendation. That's the only one i've Come up with I mean recognition Okay, go ahead. I mean the only other one I was thinking of is wouldn't you and I have talked about the avenue by the freeway Saying we're going to put a whole garram. Look at a peaceful housing The other thing I would recommend going with some of the ones you Um, so um one thing kiai I just thought it was valuable that when I was talking this week when we reviewed this It's just about your outreach that you did I think it's You reached out to almost every property owner It wasn't just I mean I was kind of impressed that it was just like The consultants in the city took a map and just started making circles you have reached out to Yeah, so we um, we sent a letter to every Property owner that owns either commercial or multifamily any of our multifamily zones properties within capitol um and mixed use so All of those property owners got letters. We had a zoom meeting. We had a developer interest meeting, which was pretty We had I think a dozen people attend that meeting which was exciting and Um and some of those owners own multiple properties in capitol So that that actually will really help us when we go to hcd to say that we've got this list of interested parties So yes, so everyone that i'm showing you this evening is interested in the possibility of redevelopment I just appreciate you and your department's outreach. I have said that's important to make sure we share that so people know that I'm gonna give sean a lot of credit too for helping me get those addresses out and I'm much appreciated. Yeah, and so and the next thing um I um and I brought this up last night. I spoke at public comment. Um at the uh At the city council meeting when they're talking about their Projects and their goals for coming up. Um and trying to be sensitive to we I think we've all experienced that the The new restrictions and you know are things I put in place with housing from the state and with the 4401 project on cap avenue and we heard from many community members about The parking impacts and stuff around that And then it gets down to the second next layer or where the layers would start But then you have the coastal commission that runs through um about You know we came in a dress parking because it's in the coast commission. So I think it'd be One thing I think when we looked at these sites and actually talked to the property owners did we also identify potential impacts If that site went to and I always forget, you know, it's affordable affordable affordable housing or whatever you get to But that um that we that a lot of parking restrictions or a lot of conditions could get made on these properties And so that that in access then parking can be restricted down and then it impacts all the neighborhood. So um With that it'd be very helpful. I think on the next time we see a map Could we see the line that would come across? the city that shows the Impact or where they have jurisdiction so that when we look at it we can be sensitive to that issue like Oh, if that is a site that gets developed heavily And then it went to the affordable affordable now that there could be a potential a lot of impact to the neighborhoods And that'd be just I think an outreach for the community to know that we're looking at that and then um The next part to that I encourage that the Last night, uh, I asked the council to look at maybe re-enacting the traffic commission again Um Many years, but I thought it'd be good as this housing element gets developed And gets approved that the traffic commission maybe takes a proactive role and starts to look at Parking impacts that potentially can happen in these neighborhoods Before they're developed. And so, you know, there's a plan of action or maybe there's some changes or you know Some money can be budgeted by the council at that level, you know to identify some of those things before I know there's a tight timeline when a certain type of project comes in that the city has to scramble just for approval And maybe we can't you don't have time to address the parking. So, um, just going back to my request just to see that line Let me through that. We don't have any abilities to address parking or Yes, we can add that and if Possibly we can add it before it gets published Thank you Before we start talking about the sites um Just one one thing on the um You go to the chart where we're showing in the public outreach meetings. We're gonna have so I think we have it In the package I have a slide on that You want to talk about that later then the next uh next steps and what the public outreach is? Yeah, let's go. You know, I apologize. I should have said this before we went to public hearing but um The public review draft in the in the staff report. I wrote the eighth. We are going to publish it on the 10th Um, just so that we can do a full review again before it gets published A community workshop will be may 16th. So I will be getting notification out. I'll try to do that tomorrow or monday Um, because that's coming up soon And that's going to be by zoom meeting again And it's really an opportunity to kind of go over where we are now in the process and get some feedback on the sites And anything else included in in the document Um, two other opportunities for public comment will be on june 1st at our next planning commission meeting We're really going to keep that agenda light so that we can really focus in on this document and get your comments as well as the Publix and then city council will also hear it on june 8th once we Um after june 8th, I think june 9th is the last day for public comment We have an obligation to respond to all public comments within 14 days. So that will begin on june 10th, and we'll get our We'll get our responses out and those will be published and then we will submit to hcd following that process It's going to be tight So we'll start our public hearings. Hopefully in october but the hcd has Three has 90 days to review. So it could be that our our first adoption hearings are in november We may be asking for some special meetings Um But that is that that's the future is so paul any questions on okay, uh, so Notification what's the how we ensuring that the community at large understands that may 16th june 1st and june 8th Are there opportunities to convene So i'll be sending out a blast email. Um, I was um I'll probably do that tomorrow. I just need to make sure I have the correct zoom once I get the correct zoom links I'll be sending that last email out. I have a list of about 100 people that have been shown interest As well as we'll put it on our um social media accounts to get it out there um, and It seems like this one could go in the little newsletter that the city clerk sends out as well Yeah, yeah, I think it's called capital away So can we post yours up at like Of course you store some places like that. I mean it's it's kind of old-fashioned, but there are a lot of people that aren't included in my business. I think that's a great suggestion Post office and then we always a good one. They'll let you in the library in the library I'm sorry. Can you maybe I just heard you're on line five. You said this is july 10th Sorry, uh I just trying to understand the track. Yeah, sorry that should say june 10th. So then yeah, it's about June 25th that we is the first opportunity for us to send it off any question Obviously, you can look just read the newspaper Um, what's going on all these multiple cities? What if the city I'm with the state that's not have time to review and get back to common which Imagine that but um what what happens to us if it's a drop off on there and if we don't That timeline good lawyer That one I would I We've never had an issue in the past So I don't really know how to respond, but I'm sure that Veronica would know the correct answer to that and I apologize for her Not being here tonight. No, I'm sorry. I see this huge push going through and see things that the state level get back Yeah, I don't know if they give you any grace period and then the time frame is not on us um Once it's submitted, you know, we do have to go through adoption hearings. So The time it's on us I was going to ask Veronica if there's any uh rhyme or reason to Adopting something and then submitting if that's even an option, but I don't I don't know the answer to that to say like We've got an adopted one, but then they um Okay, so back to the sites. I think then Do you want to look at the whole map or we just want to see what people have references for the two sites Do you have references Jerry for which two sites you think they should use? Is that I just I understand the goal would be to show the community what those could look like Yep And I think we should have it'd be great to just have maybe we'll just consider all four and rank them Just in case there's a property owner that says no way not, you know, they don't want their site looked at so three Slides that we had and then also the way of four choices now Four choices, so I guess maybe if we talk about what's your top choice Yeah, our four choices are the one on 38th avenue, uh, which is basically where The orchard used to have a distribution place Outdoor world one which you talked about the building on the corner of capitol a road 45 and Actually, or the new leaf could be if because that was the one you were recommending so or the new leaf Conceptually the new leaf in the outdoor world I don't think it's a design right pretty similar Yeah And the the other one is the 38th avenue it's agility. Okay, is that what you're saying for Okay, I'm not using the So the I just want to make sure you're not thinking outdoor supply all it orchard anymore. I know But it's not it's not the ash building. It's the one. Yeah, that one. Okay So all you have Uh, yeah, so in ranked order mine was 14 30 41st street The 38th street 38th avenue one the orchard supply outdoor supply whatever we want to call it um Actually like claire street, but I guess that's off the map now right and um I would be curious about 44 50 capitol a road, but that landlord wasn't real happy with us Our approval of 4401 capitol road, so I Maybe you see the bullet think of that wasn't happy with us as the building next door. We're AAA They don't own both of them. I think no, no, they're since separate ownership. Okay, so let's do that one So outdoor world 38th and then My first one was the outdoor world my second one is the 45th one and just from the standpoint Maybe need to see that design and if that was overlay what is going to go in at 44 01 I think they give the community a good aspect or a good feel for What potentially could happen as development happens in capitol and where I know it one large development is One o'clock large at 44 01 and so the 45th. That's why I thought it was important Because I'd probably only unique site that we see a high density kind together Um, and then the third one was the 38th and then number four would be newly So my number one is going to be outdoor world as well. I think that that's a good one Uh, I actually agreed with cherry. I picked the 44 50 capitol a road partly because I've heard so many complaints from that neighborhood about the impact of high density housing and so Um, I think we need to really show what it is and then uh 38th avenue and then Well outdoor world rose to the top And it looks like we have in second place new leaf 38th and 2 for 44 50 capitol a road so 44 50 cap road And I have to say for me on the second down choices. I'm really flexible on that And I think Now I understand the 44 50 capitol. I would do that second just to see what that looks like Okay, and then I'm hearing the third would be 38th. Wonderful. Thank you I think that concludes my presentation to you this evening and I appreciate the direction All right, so at this point We will move on on our agenda And do we have a director's report? You do So with the director's report tonight, I the first thing it's kind of exciting. We've had a rush of adu applications so Since October 1st of last year We have 14 new adu applications So tonight you saw one because it had the second story and it's required to come to planning commission When we did our housing numbers our numbers were kind of low for last year for added Units, I think the total number was seven throughout the city and But since October 1st of last year we're now at 14 new adu so Staff has been very busy because there's a 30 day required turnaround time on those So and it goes through planning and building at the same time So you're going to see a lot of new adus within capitol um, I also Big announcement is our first sp9 application has been submitted. It's for 204 Hollister Avenue And We'll bring you an overview of that once we have more information because I think it's really interesting to see How that's progressing and coming along but right now they're going through site planning where they have the Little units now the little units now Yep, so the property when you're looking at the property, I believe it's the property of the left Or the right the right and to keep Two of the units or three and incorporate new units as well. So Which is interesting it used to be a mobile home park. Yeah. Yeah Or a mobile So then also Um, I wanted to let you know that dining decks So we have the prototype dining decks. We had our first official approval at the building through building department And that's for Britannia arms They're slowly coming in but because of the storm. I think a lot of the businesses Um, aren't quite on track is where they thought they would be So we are you know, we're the prototype design is what they're required to reinstall and I'm being pretty firm with that We've been getting some requests to Um Allow temporary to come back while the planters are being shipped and Really once you're at building permit stage, it's it's important that you know Everything get ordered and the design that was approved for the long term be installed on the sites um I also wanted to update you that I've continued to meet with Mid pen who has purchased 10 98 38th avenue And we should be seeing some movement on that project in the near future. I think they're first going Um, they're looking for some funding from the city So I think their first stop will be at the city council just to talk about the ability We do have some we actually have a considerable amount of Housing money right now. So that will be the first stop is whether or not the city council will be able to help them with some funding There's been an update to our minutes That you might have noticed back in january and february. We kept out the um conditions and findings And I kind of I would love some feedback on that the minutes become really succinct without including them, but I do think Um, so they're not required by law to be in the minutes I was thinking it's helpful for the public to have them there It's not required by law and if it makes it easier for the planning commission and you'd rather not see all the conditions in the in the minutes um We could remove them at this point our new city clerk has informed me that it's not the typical practice but it has historically been the practice in capitolah, so It's just cut and paste It's just cut and paste and that way you can see exactly how we modified the Minutes the the conditions And then lastly Commissioner Jensen had requested that we kind of do a look ahead during our updates during directors report and so at the june 1st planning commission meeting We do plan to bring a commissioner wilkes request for the color and materials board We also may be bringing in cast ignores deli. We've had some issues with With their outdoor dining and being in compliance Also a possibility of reef dog across the street and then A review of santa aderias the outdoor seating Proposal they're coming forward with a permanent outdoor seating proposal And of course the majority of that meeting is dedicated towards the housing element draft So we continue to work with our restaurants But we just want to bring them into compliance with all the rules and regulations within capitolah Um with that that concludes the directors report. Thank you So do we have any commission communications at this time? I do sorry, um, okay. I have to um with uh, commissioner wilkes request to where are we looking at What I think we call the color boards or Could we bring back uh the condition about the peak window at that same time if there's agreement So that it just seems like it's very Regiment and that staff has to Say that I think we times We've had that come forward to us. Um, maybe we should discuss that At that time if it's I saw maybe the two are somewhat connected. So one is Uh within our ordinance and it would take a code amendment to fix that the opaque and the other is just within our Application requirements. So I'm happy to bring both. It would just just say the future process would be amending the ordinance Which we've been doing regularly anyway. I wasn't trying to carry any work. I just Oh, no, that's that's sometimes feels awkward that Maybe we can wait until a little later since we are going to think the housing Things going to be big. Yeah, why don't I? Move those both to july. Yeah, that'd be great. Okay I just didn't know if there was any way to bring both those together But I'm fine. If not, it's just it just feel like it's something that might get pulled into discussing Maybe it might be easier for staff if that wasn't reform and then the next one you touch briefly on um The outdoor dining and so there's been one permit, right? That's one building permit, right and um I've heard that there's some issues with getting materials and stuff like that um What happens if like some of the materials kind of know there's a design that was approved by previous planning commission if if a lead item is A year out because I still think we talk about covid issues. Um Are there any accommodations that are being made for that or will that be something brought back Discussed or no. So at this point, um, the lead time on the planters is about six to eight weeks But we've known that for a really long time, you know, we that that's we've known that these need to be shipped here and um If my opinion of this is I've been very much in support of our businesses and assisting them, but there's the old saying There's nothing more permanent than a temporary fix And at this point, we you know, we've gone through two and a half years of a temporary solution Which was definitely needed in a time of a pandemic now that we're moving into building plans We we typically when someone comes through our building department and they're moving towards a permit if they run into hiccups like they still have to stay on that same track and In the end develop what they got approved for in their building plans and uh for us to be Um allowing like a deck to be built, but then put the planters Totally, you know rope up again. I don't think that really um follows the direction of the planning commission or the city council and I do want to be consistent with all applicants and all restaurants at this point. So I think they're best to Plan it, you know, um, and if it takes Six to eight weeks at this point, they'd be looking at a july construction project rather than So, um, just trying to play out if somebody had a permit today and started building a deck Anyone filled to use the deck until it was completely signed off for occupancy. Is that correct? correct, we would have to inspect the deck and uh Make sure that it complies with the prototype your question about if something's a year out I'd be bringing a design change back to the planning commission. I wasn't trying to Was there any strategy? I was just trying to get to a point that Yeah, no if there's something that like if if all the furniture can't be ordered or if there's some type of issue there I'll I'll come back to you and ask for a modification to the prototype But I don't feel I it's a slippery slope once I start approving um Just changes to the prototype I mean and the permit and the perm application was opened up last Oh, it's been open since last uh, uh, September, October. We we did the the lottery in September, October, so Yeah, I I thank you. I appreciate you bringing it up and yeah, I appreciate A lot of those We're using not yet. Just curious Although I had a local architect comment. He's got so many. He's so busy with 80 years and Like I don't know that I can do all of these so we have a prototype just Send them there. So Yes, please. Yes