 Mr. President there's no doubt you know that you are adored abroad because of the aggressive way you're marketing you know this country but at home even with the many successes that you have tabulated there is growing discontent among some of the electorate on the citizens how do you explain this and related to that recently you lamented that some of the ministries were underperforming what decisive action are you taking and being a senior journalist a very quick one this is important Mr. President recently you advised you're pretty set breaking the rules of the as a senior citizen say the moderator is a since you have been up you have abused me sir and I can I take that one thank you sir Mr. President recently you advised your predecessor to retire from politics how significant is this what would be the impact on the country's governance and what is your reaction to those calling for a reconciliation mean meeting meanwhile the former face family are complaining that they're being harassed thank you Mr. President. growing this content at home I take note of what you say but in a way I've touched it already that there is a process there's some pain as you reconstruct the economy Frank at least you're old enough to know what happened towards the late no in the late 80s you know what happened younger people may not know that story it sits in there you can look at the graph the pain was there and when change took place in 1991 again numbers online just check that Frank you see that that pain continued from 1991 election when zombie and decided it's time to move to another team of public sector managers 19 is all was exacerbated 19 after 1986 elections Frank 19 no 1988 I'm wrong my apologies 1982 years later there was a food riots there then the elections were brought forward by three years instead of elections happened in 1990 by two years I think 1993 or so 1991 but after the change for President Chiluba may he saw rest in peace who now brought in different policies to address the failure of the government of 27 years younger people don't know that and that's where we have sometimes a bit of responsibility to teach the young people how bad we were and why we should not allow ourselves to go back there and we did allow ourselves to go back there in a few years it's not right so you see Frank 1991 elections take place you're checking on that shit right the problems of restructuring the economy linger down and 1994 we went down by growth dramatically but President Chiluba had already started planting the seed digging the foundation you heard me talk about digging the foundation here four years later from 1991 three years later the fruit was not yet ripe and we dipped down and started again it takes a bit of time so that's my answer to your question is zambians to understand that graph that we're on the right path any reversal to what we're doing would damage us as a nation and I think that is what I would say around the discounted the discounted is a build-up of the damage that was done 10 years earlier and we are healing that damage as it happened to President Chiluba may so rest in peace we take President Chiluba for granted he's gone but today you have no cues for meaning for buses but it took up to 1994 1995 to see that fruit but today some bands want to see the fruit in one year eight months but the seed is there that's what I would say you tagged another question the only one allowed to do that and the performing ministers ministries I think you have noticed some changes we're making I actually said maybe not to the satisfaction of everybody but we are also a fair leadership when you come from depression like that you know that the civil service itself got affected over the years in underperformance but we've changed as many as possible we'll continue to do that that's why we put a program like PPDF PDU to assist those that are willing to change Frank those that are not willing to change I'm afraid we have to part ways because our interest is service to the people who elected us into office that would be my comment but I also encourage citizen you know something that we don't know let us know tip someone tip someone third question Frank you raised was about retirement that was purely illegal issue purely illegal issue I started with myself that when I've done my time I'll return go and look after gods the gods are waiting for me they need my attention and I love them so much and I think they love me because you can see how they multiply when we give them more time and attention only more serious not it's a legal issue you cannot be in retirement and yet you're in politics the load does not allow that at the beginning Frank we talked about restoring the rule of law isn't it this is part of the rule of law so who is offending who now a church is not offending any individual targeting anybody it is a law that is being offended you cannot be in politics yet you are retired and you are is receiving retirement benefits which is anchored on the law that says you must retire I hope I'm making myself clear let me extend the answer to your driver loaded question the law is clear when the president former president retires they must not stay in politics and the emoluments they get are based on the law and they are provided for in the law today I see a headline in one of the newspapers to say no HH light it wasn't 13 policemen it was 8 okay I asked the secretary of the cabinet is here is there I said please can you deal with that me I'm given information to interpret the law the law is clear but in this case if there was misinformation it's a cabinet office is that my problem it's a cabinet office so what we've agreed with the secretary of the cabinet he will clarify today that statement what does a law say how many policemen were there but what I know that even 8 is offending the law even 4 is offending the law because the number is 3 so now you can see the malice in there was a malice that HH light honestly speaking you can see how we've reduced things the substance of the matter is not 13 or 8 the substance of the matter is that has the law been offended the law has been offended it's not HH Frank because you're a good man on that day I was not around when that halabu happened and in the morning the insults were going at HH insults by colleagues that have been in politics for a long time I just smiled never answered never answered in the afternoon the charge was laid a complaint from a citizen a citizen who is infringed the law below rights a citizen who is infringed in this country called Zambia territory has a right to complain and their complaint must be heard that's in the Bill of Rights minister am I right and the authorities be it a court or so don't have a choice the word is obligation am I right minister I may miss the exact word but it's obligation Frank to act that's the rule of law but why were the insults directed at HH am I the one who complained am I the one who received four hundred dollars I don't know I don't know they won't be laughing to do that inch to inch but the insults were loaded to me and social media was very excited the charge was laid that nothing to do with any minister the president it had to do with the law based on what the law says so you can see so and to claim that HH is harassing a family is not true Frank you know sometimes citizens we must be fair to each other sometimes sometimes we must analyze things in a fair and objective manner between the two of us who harassed who let's be direct now between my colleague is here and HH who is who harassed who who is harassing who peacefully is living there the policemen are there when there was a robbery there it was found out the people who robbed him where he's on cadres who discovered that it is a police the very police I was not allowed to use Chipata Airport Frank I even asked I was on the runway for three four hours there during campaign time official campaign time my colleague instructed that I must not be allowed to use airports how do I know the footage is there it's there but citizens choose to ignore all of that and start pretending that HH is harassing the former president I have no intention to do that I was never brought up like that my brain doesn't work like that maybe what people are having difficulties to accept that I'm not harassing anybody who harassed me I think that's where the problem is but get used to that that my brain works differently I should have been dead long time ago everybody knows that everybody knows that it's there so now citizens can we be fair with each other if it was being harassed would he be joking on the roads public roads if I joked Frank like that I went on a road line in 2011 July 2011 I was a dead man you all know that but we brought the rule of law protecting everybody you talk of pangas since we took office have you ever seen any pangas in the streets being sharpened in the streets can we be fair as citizens and call things by their right names my brother is free if anyone is tampering with his freedom I'm the first one to step in to protect him I'm the first I will be the first one all we are doing is to follow the law Frank when I leave office I don't want the taxpayer to pay me money and I'm still in politics I'm still running up and the matters in court and the court is bringing these issues out not me they're arguing on their own there so how do I become the problem now and we are the solution Frank let me tell you why I did what I did and for the people of zombie once we are declared winners on the 16th I guess I'm right 16th of August I think it was 16th of August 15 was 16th of August I knew Frank that if I did not provide leadership there will be deaths and killings in the compounds and in the villages because they were our colleagues treated us killing people maiming people come to God there bullets missing us taking Loris Banda and leaving his young children and wife taking Joseph Kounder taking some and summer bullets if I did not do what I did on that day Frank at the community house and said nobody will revenge nobody will avenge nobody wage war against the fellow citizens citizens will have died and this country today would have been a different country you don't recognize it and I knew the blood will be on my head I will never allow that even against those who would have wanted me dead I don't wish my colleague anything Frank I'm available to talk talking is the answer I've always been available I don't want to review many things here because I'm responsible my colleague and I talk be known to you but what he said in public is a different matter so how do I deal with such a situation someone is not telling the truth there there are crimes that were committed before and conversations took place how to treat those issues within the law I advise this treat this within the law but citizens are not aware but someone goes on the platform and says there is no communication now the day I review if it's necessary you'll be shocked we must repent sometimes we must repent so that society becomes normal I think the danger and the pain that is there that there is no abnormality there are no commanders there are no bangers there are no guns that is making some people miss access to cash illegal cash I can tell you that I'll put my foot down that will not be allowed I think we may close this press conference we've said