 This is my friend Asaf here and what organization you're part of? We're part of Anonymous for animal rights. Anonymous for animal rights and how long has that organization been around for? About 30 years. 30 years, wow. Here in Israel, yeah. Wow, so this is similar, it's like the cube of truth but it's a bit different. Explain it for us. Okay the basic principle is that people don't know really what happens here inside. What is written here is would you make it being three minutes inside? Yeah. They don't know what it's about, you don't tell them and once they go inside they see slaughterhouse footage and videos from dairy farms and chickens ground alive, that sort of stuff. Effective? Do you feel like it's effective? Yeah because it really attracts people because they see the cube challenge. So they're like yeah I want to know what it is, I want to find out whether I can really do it myself and succeed and once they go inside then most people actually stay until the end of the video which is like three, four minutes long and once they come out here then we talk to them, we ask them how was it, what do you think about it, was it okay with what you saw, do you think about stop eating eggs, meat, milk, that sort of stuff and their reactions are really amazing because once people are really committed to it they sit through it three minutes, they can't really deny what's happening, they can't really say that it doesn't happen. It makes it harder to argue doesn't it? Yeah. So this type of method is very effective and I think it's a very good idea so keep up the good work brother. Thank you. Right at the front of Israel McDonald's here we got the cube challenge. So what do you think about eating animals, do you think we need to to survive? It's hard for us to speak about it because I was a vegetarian for a long time and he's not. Now I'm also eating meat, like the opposite way from most people these days and it's hard for me, I'm not complete about it, I feel maybe someday I will be a vegetarian again but I know the suffer of the animals, it's touching for me so that's why I prefer not to see it. Oh wow, you think if you don't see it it won't happen? It will, of course it's happening and we don't understand. If we buy the meat and the eggs and the milk then we pay for that to happen to the animals, do you know like by... But not all companies and not all people are doing that, we have a lot of friends who are in the meat industry and they don't treat the animals like that, they grow them out in the field, they try to treat them the best way they can, they don't take the mothers right after their birth or stuff like that, they try to treat them the best way they can because actually they believe that once the cow or the veal or whatever is treated very good the meat will also be better. Okay, so like today cut the animals that throw it open to kill them, at the end when they've grown them, how did they kill them? I don't really know that. So when you were explaining something before this action was that what you what did you see exactly on the screen there? I don't know how to say it in English, but when he was shoving his hand into the cow, into an intimate way. So if there was a human in place of the cow we would call that something wouldn't we? Yeah, a rape, a brutal rape. Yeah so they have to do that to impregnate the cow, make fragrance so then they produce milk and we can take the milk. Do you know what happens to the calves, the baby cows? Do you know what happens to them? The male? Yeah, yeah it's seen on the video. They kill them? Yeah they kill them for meat. You know what happens to the females? They take them for milk. Milk, do you think it's justified, do you think it's okay to do that? I don't know if it's okay or not okay, it's a little bit gross, it's a little bit brutal, but I don't know if it's not okay you know. I would like, what does your heart say you think that it's okay to do that to an animal for the milk that we don't really need to survive? I don't look at it, I don't measure it if it's okay or not okay. Okay, yeah if you if you want I don't think it's not okay. Okay so what about if you put yourself in the animal's position and would then it would it be not okay then? I'm not an animal. But like if you you know when you empathize with like say someone that's been hurt you can you feel their suffering can you do that like with animals can you feel their suffering? Yeah you can. Yeah sure. It doesn't feel good to watch you can say oh that that would be bad if that was me. Yeah it wouldn't be me because I would never go to work in such a in such place. Well like if we were the victims humans were the victims we would be not happy we would think that was wrong. I don't I don't agree with the comparison that you make between humans and animals. Okay so we would say like from the animal's perspective you know like from the animal's point of view they don't want to be killed. Of course. Yeah like they'd rather we didn't cut their throat even if we treat them nicely you know like imagine had a dog you treat them very nicely the whole life and then someone come along I might want to eat that dog and they cut the dog's throat but the dog had a happy life would that make it okay if the dog had a happy life? It's better I think it's not okay but it's not it's not ideal it's not ideal. Yeah let's just say if we can be healthy without eating animals do you think it's justified to take their life from them if we don't have to to survive? That's a big question. Yeah so why are we doing it to them for if we don't need to to survive? I don't think we don't need them for survive but for I'm vegan for vegan for four years. Healthiest I've ever been. She's also. I was no I was I thought I was vegetarian for a long time. Yeah so you know what a vegan is? Yeah. You don't oh well a vegan is like no animal product so no eggs no milk uh no. No no vegan I was a vegetarian. Yeah yeah vegetarian's not eating meat yeah yeah so within the eggs and the the milk there's just as much cruelty because all them animals all get killed. All the egg hens all the dairy cows all get killed. So we say like that they're all connected. So as a a vegan way of living is not harming animals at all what do you think about that? It's too big for me. It's too big? Yeah I don't know actually I don't. You think it's extreme you think it's extreme or to not harm animals or? I think this is the this is the way we have lived. It's the way we've always done it isn't it yeah. What about if it was do you have pets? I I hear the pets yeah. Yeah dog do you like dogs? Yeah dog and cats. Yeah okay well what about if it was dogs or cats in there with like we were treating we were taking their puppies away killing the puppies or killing the cow killing the the dog for the meat do you think that this would be wrong? In some places in the world it happens yeah in Thailand they eat dogs. They do it people do you think like you personally do you think that that would be not right if we didn't let's just say we didn't need to eat dogs to survive? We're just doing it because they taste good do you think that that would be wrong to take their life for no reason if we didn't need to? No I don't know I don't know I have a very close friend we which is a vegan vegan okay yeah yeah and he has a dog all right yeah and we were just talking about it a few weeks ago wow yeah we made the in a WhatsApp group yeah he made a comparison yeah and people got very upset they got upset but why if animals should be if they don't care about a cow pig chicken because you can't grow cow in your living room in your apartment so we care about the dogs that's why we think they they're worth more than a cow like they make us feel good they're just the way we we live our lives okay do you think we can change though like do you think we always should do what we've always done in the past do you think maybe we should evolve past violence and I think first we need to start respecting each other yeah the virgin the vegetarian the meat it's great great point do you think hey how about this if we respected all life let's just say if we respected the animals and we didn't we treated them in peace with respect we would treat each other with respect and kindness more I don't think it's related you don't think it's related no because like if you think a chicken's life is significant and deserve respect a chicken you're going to treat another human with respect too yeah I think we should do it regardless regardless whether you eat meat or not with meat you should respect each other yeah because then we will be better but when we eat the animals we're not really respecting them are we because we're saying it's okay to kill them do you think you agree or do you agree with that yeah okay you wouldn't think about not eating animals at all that didn't make you want to stop eating animals I did try before okay to stop eating meat but you know it's so excessive it's everywhere yeah it's everywhere yeah but you know Israel has the biggest vegan movement on earth yeah there's more vegans here than per capita than anywhere else on the planet so there's lots of vegan places around and it's fairly easy here yeah but not not so many and usually they're more expensive what would stop you what would stop me what from uh going vegan what would be the biggest obstacle do you think again the excessive the the it's the meat too much around no the lack of options yeah the lack of options oh well you got bread and hummus and rice and potatoes and bread is is a carb and we want protein yeah we have beans and hummus and yeah yeah you know there's other things to eat other than yeah we just talk about that majadra is very yeah yeah yeah let's just say um we could find you alternatives different options would you think about it then yeah of course okay so I do I do feel that when you eat meat it makes you very heavy yeah I do think that we should eat meat but let's say why is that once why should we like why do you think we need to for health yeah okay but let's say let's say once a week not more what what do you think is in meat that we can't get from plants I don't know b12 they say okay but b12 comes from the dirt it's a bacteria found in the dirt in the water do you know that no it doesn't come from animals it comes from the dirt and the water so so how come it's good for us well we need it we need it because every all the vegetables and fruits are so clean now they've washed all the b12 off so we need to supplement it they actually add it to the animal food that's why it's inside of the animals and they inject the animals with it so that's why it's inside the meat yeah so we can get b12 from other sources one multivitamin it's got enough b12 and all the cereals and soy milks and stuff are fortified with b12 so if we took care of the b12 would you think about it even more um because we can get protein I tell you what a good steak is also tasty I know it's a hard question to ask I asked myself the same question and I was like I always ate meat three times a day it was difficult for me we don't eat meat every day we try not because because of health for me for me it's something when someone cares about animals when we just started dating yeah he was asking for my number and I asked him okay what's your age what's your name and do you love animals really that's the third question I asked him and what did you say yeah I grew up with the sheep you grew up with the sheep yeah so you like the sheep yeah but I don't eat the sheep you don't eat sheep because you like them yeah wow that's amazing so you're an animal lover we have cats we used to have a dog see imagine those those dogs and cats in these position where they're they're put in the slaughterhouse you know this is where the animals will end up they all end up at the slaughterhouse have such the animal shelter house that do the same they kill the all the yeah it's not good it's not they kill the sick they kill the wounded they kill yeah but these animals there's nothing wrong with them we're just killing them to eat them it's unnecessary like we don't you know you can live without eating animals yeah so yeah it was how about this how about if I give you more information you take it home and you look through it and maybe you look at the the other information maybe have a think about it I don't think the I'm the right address for that you don't reckon you're gonna change you don't think you'd stop hurting animals for food no I like the taste I like the I like meat okay I must be honest good point I'm not gonna lie I'm not gonna lie I used to eat a lot of meat and used to like the taste if it's made good yeah it's made good so do you think that taste is more important than animals life I think that we should eat less meat I think that I should eat less meat because what I said that it makes you heavy and and and it's a it's a vegan food it's much it's digest more easily better and it's healthier yeah vegans have less feel more light and movement vegans have less heart disease and cancer and diabetes and there's I'm slimmer and yeah and do you think eating that violence and that suffering is good for us good for us in what way do you think eating violence and suffering and these animals that in pain obviously in their life do you think consuming that is good for us you know we're putting that into our bodies you know we I don't see it on a on a daily basis so yeah but we let's say from the high far from the we're hidden from our view yeah if we eat it we're consuming it it's becoming a part of us their their suffering is becoming a part of us do you believe but the whole world is acting this way so the people do lots of bad things in the world does that mean that we all should because there's bad that's happening people kill each other there's there's bad things happening but we can make a choice in our lives to do the right thing yeah to act in peace and with respect and with respect all life you know do you think that we all have a power in that what we do in our own life you know you can make a difference in your life yeah I can make a difference in my life but first of all it's not going to make a difference in the on what we've seen in the film it will still be happening yeah but you could but not for me not I'm not gonna let's just say you consume a lot of animals over the time over your course of your life a thousand maybe let's just say a thousand if you stopped now you could stop the cruelty in your life yeah that has a significant difference would you agree yeah yeah I'll leave you this one last thing do you think the taste if someone tastes good that justifies killing them of course yeah so taste is not more important than life of course yeah if we could find something that tastes the same would you eat it if it was vegan probably I eat a lot of stuff that is not meat that I enjoyed you enjoy the same it tastes good too yeah of course so maybe we'll think next time maybe we're going to get some meat you might think maybe hopefully okay how about this I'll leave you with some information maybe you do a little bit more thinking about it and you know I just want to encourage you to maybe step towards you know being more maybe a more respectful lifestyle to all life you know what I mean more peaceful and it's healthier for us too you know you're into fitness you're like running it's good for performance you know yeah I'll give you some information but this is called what the health it's about all the health aspects of plant-based diet um this is about the environment how it's destroying the environment and this here's ethics this is a great speech by Gary Orofsky best speech you'll ever hear yeah I heard about it you heard about yeah I haven't ever watched see what you think and all I can do is leave you with that man but thanks so much for the talk thank you so much thanks guys thanks so much for the conversation so thank you so much you take a card here's a here's a card it's just got some some stuff about the environment health ethics and a little vegan challenge for 30 days you can try it just for 30 days and these it's for free it's for free they help you they'll help you like where to find stuff that's vegan and yeah you know 30 days why not why not thanks a lot brother thank you very much all right brother so what just happened there lady just went vegan yeah yeah she just came out of the cube and when she came out she was really shocked what she saw apparently she's already vegetarian but she told me I didn't know they do that stuff to male chicks I didn't know they do that stuff to cows yeah um and once they once she saw it she was like oh my god how do we come again please tell me how so I just signed her up on the spot to challenge me to it was amazing challenge 22 signed her up on the spot it originated here in Israel yeah yeah yeah and anonymous for animal rights created it wow amazing resource everyone should sign up cheers brother thanks mate