 So I'll let you call the meeting to order at 6.30, and the next thing is additions to the agenda, did you have some? We have a few, yes. We have a liquor license application for Plainfield hardware. It just happened to come in right after the meeting agenda. And since you're looking at others, thought we would add that in, and then Rachel Grossman reached out about creating. Hi, it's Judith, it's 6.30 and your mics are off. Can you hear us now? I can. Okay. Okay. Can we get that so we can see this whole picture there? That's the whole picture. Yeah. So you were going over to the business? Yeah, so additions, we have a liquor license from Plainfield hardware. Rachel, I see is actually here. Rachel actually sent me something she was going to bring up a public comment, but in the event she wasn't here on time. So I can let Rachel speak to that if you would like, or we can wait for public comment and she can mention that there. And then the listeners have a certificate for no appeal or suit pending for the select board to review. And I just wanted to bring up that practice you too. Yes. Okay. So would you a minute, January 30th. Good to me. Yes, I agree. I move to approve the minutes as submitted. I'll second it. All those in favor please say hi. Hi. Thank you. So public comment. So Rachel's here. Okay. That would be. Rachel. Hi, Rachel. Hi there. How's everybody doing tonight? Okay. Great. Thank you. So, um, I'm thinking about the December storm we had where people were out of power, some people for six days or five days and some of us just two and a half days. And I was thinking that we might want to think about a town safety plan for that event. Or not that event, but I think it's likely that we're going to have more weather that's weird and potentially life threatening for some people. But I think that we, you know, we took care of our neighbors here. And I'm sure that everybody else in their neighborhood took care of their neighbors as well, but, um, it'd be nice to have a plan. Callus opened up their elementary school for people. And water is a big thing. You know, we're fine. We have a wood stove, but we really need to find water when the power goes out. People want to charge up their devices and some people just need somewhere to go that's warm. What's on my mind tonight. So we do have a designated warm shelter in Barry. We did put you put some stuff on the website. Did you not for the emergency plan? Well, the emergency information is out there, but it doesn't necessarily. We have an emergency. We do, but it's more. A bunch of lists of contacts. It's not necessarily a storm is coming. It's just a plan and the world I come from with hurricanes, everything is done. There's a plan ahead of time. Yeah. So it's just, this is. Again, it's mostly contact information that lists where shelters are, but it's not, it doesn't really get into some of the things that she's speaking about, like water and preparation and things like that. So. So I don't know. Well, every year. Every year we, we review our emergency management contacts. Yeah. Who's the, who's the disaster coordinator was the assistant coordinator. And that whole several pieces of paper are reviewed by, by Vermont state emergency management. It's supposed to be part of a whole statewide emergency management plan or system. My question is kind of building on what you said, Rachel is. My question is where was Vermont emergency management during this big 40,000 people without power. And I heard people were calling emergency management. He said, it's not, not, you know, not really our problem. That's what I called. And they should, they won't even call me back. And for eight years when I was a manager town, a city manager, state office complex manager in Waterbury, I was on logistics team for Vermont emergency management. And we would have regular trainings where we would look at some, create some system where there was a problem. And then we'd have to address it. And we went through Katrina and all that stuff. And, you know, with the, with the system open. And where were they. So there were meetings and calls callus opening up their school callus did that all of that was independent of. Because callus was on the calls that same calls I was on. I mean, I'm holding the plan right here. There's no step for what happens when, so like, from my perspective, I had no idea what to do. I see contact names here. But, and to be quite honest with you, I don't have history in Vermont. So this is the first time going through this. So I honestly wasn't sure if we're going to be like, no big deal. So. Yeah. In hurricane world in Florida, there's a protocol. Every company I've worked at, we had a protocol. Everybody. It's just. It's ingrained in you. I bought water before the storm. I mean, it's just so I don't know how to go about. Creating something like that here. I lived here. Yeah. So. Rachel, that's, that's a very good concern. Yeah. We shared that concern. We had a select board meeting shortly after the power outage to discuss what happened and what we might want to do in the future. And we said, yeah, we should better out of do something in the future. But we didn't then make a list of next steps and who was responsible for them. So it's a very timely for you to come back to us and raise this again. Would you like to be in charge of working with us. Yeah. You know, you know, you know, you know, you have your ideas and your ideas and other top people ideas into motion so that we can be better prepared for next time. Sounds like that awful word committee, but yes. So I just want to say something on the subject. Because I've done some thinking about it and talking to people about it. One of the biggest problems you have when you have emergencies, you don't have power. That correct. You have no power when. Power lines for that. You know, you know, people need to have generators or some way to get electricity. And that was my focus because when you have electricity, you have water, you have heat. And you have a lot of. So I was thinking of having someone come in. To speak about generators, because people don't fully understand. When you buy a generator, what you can do with that generator. So that was my focus on that whole thing. I mean, you just don't go buy a generator and plug your pump, pump into it and get water. And generators are not necessarily accessible to everyone. And I could probably buy a generator. I don't want one. So, I mean, I think it's not a bad focus. And there were some from porch posts after the storm saying, you know, give me some generator recommendations. So I think it's not a bad focus. But I think, I don't think that's going to keep our, keep everyone safe. I keep thinking, you know, in callous where they did open up the elementary school and people had a place to go. There was a man who was found dead in his home when the storm was over an elderly man. So, you know, I think more on a neighborhood level of who's going to, you know, help out and I think we are seeing that. So I think that was the focus. Checking in with whom and making sure that nobody's. This is how we handle it. Yeah. Neighbors help me. I mean, we all helped each other. And that, you know, what you're saying is some people fall through the crack. That's not a good system, whatever. I mean, that's just what we had to fall back on because. That's what we did. People are in need. And we have, looking for help, and there was no help to be had. I mean, I called the state, genius called around, nothing. So then certain of us stepped up and brought generators to people and help them out. Now, my focus is restoring power to people, because most people need power. They need those essentials. But if you're thinking something different, well, that's fine, too. That was just my focus. Yeah, thank you. And thank you, Rachel. I think it's a good conversation to continue to have. But going along the lines of the story that you shared, Seth, you know, there may be people who do fall through the cracks, or new to the area, or, you know, people might have thought we're out of town, but actually still in town, a way to kind of organize the town in, you know, neighborhoods or regions so that, okay, you know, Rachel's in charge of her area. And, you know, anyone who is, you know, on oxygen doesn't have power or needs assistance or whatever, you know, contact Rachel and, you know, she'll funnel it up or a, you know, a phone chain or something so that there aren't people who are missing or that fall through the cracks. And maybe, you know, no one in her area has an extra generator, but the next area over does and they can spend it like a couple of hours outside someone's house and give them power for a couple of hours versus no power at all. I'm just brainstorming and I'm sure Rachel, you know, could think of some brainstorming as well. But I think, I mean, now that it's on people's minds, you know, there's, I do appreciate that neighbors help neighbors. But if we can be we have the resources of, you know, social media and other ways to communicate with each other, if we can tap into that or be a little bit more comprehensive and how we reach out and make sure that, you know, no one is freezing in their home. No one who is, you know, has some form of life support that they're relying upon or, you know, need their insulin or whatever needs it to be refrigerator or particular temperature and can't have that when there's no power, we can make sure that those folks don't fall through the crack and we actually are taking care of our neighbors. And actually, you know, when you say you talk about temperature, there kind of needs to be a plan for that in the summer as well. We don't think of summer as a heart, you know, the power goes out in summer and you buy ice and, you know, you hope your stuff doesn't go bad. But if you have medications that need to be at a certain temperature, you're at risk. But that does boil down to south. I mean, I don't want to be hammering too much on an issue, but it's all about like just one more comment, and we'll just put this on as a general item in the future. Well, that was going to be my comment. This is a public comment and skin. Yeah, so so I would like to ask Rachel, if you'd be willing to write up a charge for and the suggested name for a committee to handle this, and then we can review it as a future slunk for me. I'm not clear on what you're asking, because I don't know what you mean by write up a charge. And do you want me to find committee members? Not no, not necessarily find committee members. Just what should this committee do? That's a charge. Yeah, okay. Okay, with that, sure, we'll just put it on as a general item note in the future. Yeah, yeah, right now we got it. But thank you for bringing that up. Yeah, you bet. Report related to that. I and a bunch of other people complained about what when we had power outages that our only access to the internet was over our phone that we couldn't read or with only great difficulty, we could read the power outage updates from Washington Electric. And I let them know about that. And they fix that now. Okay, they've gotten rid of their banner at the time. Okay, well, thank you. Thank you. So we're going to move to our next agenda item. I don't need to be short with Rachel, but we just got a lot of things. No, that's fine. That's fine. Thank you for listening. Oh, no, we brought up a concern that we've also brought up ourselves. And we would like to have we like to do something besides nothing. So there you go. All right, so the next item on our agenda is board work session to discuss municipal assistant interview questions. Well, potential executive session. So we have a very few minutes. We have a question. Okay. So we want to go and check that session on that. Yes, I move that we enter executive session. Please insert into the minutes the language about the statute that we are going to be discussing in person. I'll let it right. Is imagine in order. We're out of executive session. Okay, I move to authorize the town administrator to hire the candidate interviewed at the current salary for the municipal assistant pending satisfactory reports on the background check and references. Second or unconditioned. I'm satisfied. Now you're saying all of the favor please say hi. Hi. Hi. All right. Yeah, you'll notify the camera. Next item on agenda, Village Center crosswalk and traffic safety discussion. I just want to double check everybody who was in the waiting room is back. Yes. Yes. So Melissa P mail me right before the meeting she had a family emergency and cannot could not attend this meeting. So we can either I can let you know what this topic is and we can bring Melissa back. We can touch on it briefly and bring Melissa at a future meeting with Melissa. She lives right next to the most office in the Village Center. She wrote that. It started really with kind of the crosswalk in that area as we all know that signs kind of difficult area. It's kind of difficult to see. I don't think the sign has been hit since I've been here. But my understanding is that I just didn't hit numerous times back into it. People park when it isn't. Don't place a park. It's dangerous. It shouldn't even be parking in the front. Then the background is that so in general the area is a problem for sure. Just with traffic and Bruce and I had actually discussed this a bit before he left. And he said there was it just kind of is what it is. You know, I mean, I think there was a an altered design. Yes. That was proposed but not agreed to by landowners in the area. So we kind of have what we have. So I reached out to the trans to have them take a look at the area. See if there was anything we could do better. They are going to replace the crosswalk sign with one that is more visible. And we hope that that will help with the crosswalk aspect of it. You know, he didn't really have a lot to say about the traffic because the traffic is just kind of the traffic. Yeah, but you know, one of the things Melissa had reached out about was, you know, one of those like flashing, yeah, walk signs, which obviously we could pursue a working the van truck be trans to install. It would obviously be at our cost. He said those are around $12,000. But then I thought his other proposal that he sends and that's what you have in your packet as well is kind of a slightly revised sidewalk area there kind of building out the curve of it. Of course, I have no idea what the costs and what all would be involved for many and whatnot with that. But it seems like a way again, we're really just focusing on the crosswalk and fixing that and the traffic issues I know Melissa has reached out about. I don't know how to stop people from pulling out from Dudley's or the post. Yeah, I don't know how to fix that. Rosie and anybody that picks up our mail can attest to the difficulty of making a left out of the post office getting the mail every morning. So so that was the topic. Melissa's not here obviously living right there could provide a lot more firsthand knowledge of what she sees on a regular basis there but that that was the issue brought. I thought John's point was a good one that a lot of the concerns that Melissa had about people who are texting while driving or falling asleep while driving in patient that that is hard to address with infrastructure. Yes. Yes. So really the crosswalk in my opinion is the only thing that we can really look at right but you know it kind of started with that but then a lot of the comments have been more traffic related which the crosswalk isn't necessarily enough. Right. But but one of the problems there is the park. Yeah. We park in front of the post office. Not safe. You pull out and back out. It's not safe. So the thing is there's no race curve there and we couldn't we couldn't get our minds around how to do that for a race curve there. And then there was some issues with the landowner with Jeff and on the store at that time. Hard to work with. So that's where a lot of the problems center. But now his daughter owns the store and he passed away. She's a lot easier. So if there's something we can do that requires a modification of that area and you need landowner buying that that landowner is a lot easier work. So I just want to say that we could do some modification perhaps for being whatever. But in my world I go there every day parking in the front stage. It shouldn't be even allowed to drive around the back. Plenty of parking out there. Back in the traffic. I know it's not handicapped accessible though in the back. Is it. You can still walk to the side. It's still walk perhaps. You can park by side. You don't have to park in the front. And actually it's more dangerous to get the handicap ramp from the front. You're closer to the side. But really parking a parking pattern and a traffic pattern could be established around that area that would make it safer. But no one's ever addressed that with the current owner. So I'm just saying that that could be improved with maybe talk to the landowners and come up with a plan. Maybe have the traffic pattern just go a certain one way around there and designate the parking a little bit better. The speed to town's pretty fast too. The speed is driving faster. They're actually driving before you. Well, the thing is that they speed up after they get to the light or when they get to the light in the screen. Oh, let's speed up. By the time they hit W's they're going pretty fast. There's some big trucks to do that too. Oh yeah there are. Yeah so it's hard to pull out there. Anyway that's that's my talk on that. But I think that we can improve that. Significantly. Well at least I want to see what that is. But a crosswalk sign. You can get all different types of crosswalk signs. Yeah. You can get some that just flash. Yeah. You can get some that people can push a button and it lights up and flashes. Yeah. They're all various prices. I think I think in Harvard we're looking at those are around $4,000 for the flashing ones that you press. No, it's just wanted you. Yeah. Yeah it was. It's just walk up. You can look on the line and see. I think you can find them but it depends on what you want. There's some that are really another solution that's much more low tech than I've seen. Well what one low tech solution is what John suggested in his memo which is to put in a vertical fluorescent stripe on the post. Make it a little more visible but also I've seen that there are baskets quivers basically and instead of arrows you've got flags, orange flags and you have those on either side and when someone wants to cross the street they take one of the flags and wave it and walk across the street and then put it in the clover on the other side. People are not used to having somebody cross the street here even now. You don't see it that often but they don't even think to stop. Right. They don't think to stop. I mean a flash of light would definitely help. Now wouldn't recommend putting a crosswalk in the middle of the road. We did that in Harvard. People were always running over it. No. On purpose or? No. Both ways. But the problem with that sign that we have right now is people back into it because they're parked in the front and they're back right into it. Even if you get a solid sign there with a flash of light on, they're still not back into it. But I thought you wanted it lit up or announcing itself so people would slow down. Well that's a good idea. But having a flash of light. That's what she was asking for. John was saying we'd have to pay for it. Right. He said about 12,000. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe they are not. So maybe we should have John here too at some point to brainstorm with us. Don't want to be trans. Yeah. He is a bicycle and pedestrian coordinator. Okay. He has been in that position for oh a couple decades now. At least 15 years. He would know what they cost. Yeah. Okay. So I guess are we asking Gina to put this on the agenda? Yeah. I didn't know it was a back and she said to her that he would. So I'm going to check with her on her schedule. Okay. We'll get her back on the agenda. Okay. I'm good. Okay. So the next thing on our agenda is consideration of CAI technologies, patent maps, maintenance contracts for 2023-2024 update cycle. This is something I think you see every year. Yeah. But this is updated agreement. Slight change in the cost as with most other things these days but not drastic. In our box. Yeah. That's okay to me. Do you need a motion? Yeah. We would need a motion. Okay. Or we could just sign it according to your memo to this like board. Yeah. Can we all sign it? Yeah. Three of us. If three of us sign it and we have four people here we don't need a motion. I don't think. Okay. We'll sign it. Yeah. Okay. Let's make sure we sign it before we leave. So did you not have anything else to say about that process? No. I think I'll start it. Okay. Right here. The next item, consideration of avenue of contact renewal for land record. You know this is going to go up a little bit. A couple hundred bucks here. $500 there. Yep. A little bit. So I'm a little bit concerned that you recorded that midway through the current contract and they stopped providing in-characteries for the laser printer and thermal paper and ribbons for the receipt printer. Was that part of the contract that they were supposed to be providing and they just stopped doing that? It was. It was. I've always played concerns. The company did not. They didn't respond other than to say this was something that was going down the pike and they could no longer continue to provide those products. That was probably two years ago. The good news is that it's fairly insignificant amount. It's almost $300 roughly. But I bought ten ribbons for the two printers and that was about $20. The rest of it is the toner for this printer cartridge, which we would pretty much recoup from the vault fees that we give that we get from people paying the dollar per page. It's just a manner in which they get it. Not responding to your just going in the middle of the contract and not responding to your request for information. It was difficult. There was a time there was contract when the company was in a little bit of a disarray that then since the last contract, the last contract that we contracted with this with a company called Condupt, an avenue bought Condupt and this was when change was made. So we're not contracting without it. They were Xerox to begin with. They've literally been bought. So were there any were there any other ways in which they did not perform their side of the contract? No. They've actually been as responsive as they could be for most of the things that we've had going on. It's also been a really reliable system. It's rare that I have to contact support for much of anything. They're getting pretty close to being done too, right? They are. What you mean, the play records? Yeah. They're never done. I get new ones. What I mean is done a major like let's get this all done. Let's go back 10 years. Let's go back 15. Let's go ahead 20. They're actually done. Oh, they're done? They finished book one page one on December 20. So this is just like ongoing. So this is for the ongoing contract for regular day-to-day business. It's not like a lot. $10,000 more to you. That's cost. There's maybe else that does it. There are two other companies that do it. What is called and it's used by about 60 other towns. It's the most prevalent in the state. And unfortunately they're cloud based and they got hacked in December and they were down for a month. They also researchers like the avenue system better. It's easier to use. It's cleaner. And the benefit for other folks outside of here with the avenue system is if you want to look up your property, you want to take a peek and see your deed. You can actually literally see it. You can't print it without paying for it. But you can see it and you can see that it's there. So that's how contagious when attorneys just need to check to see if a discharge has been in place. But two other systems, O-File is the other. And they're relatively new to see the advantages that they don't have to. They can either use their account to go ahead and print off a discharge and take real estate. Or if they just need to see that a discharge has been filed, they can see that. Right. So how many other towns use that? There are 27, I think, at last count. Most of them are the larger ones. Very city, Burlington, South Burlington. Morrisville used to, they just switched over to Co-File. They're saying they're not sure. They really think it was an advantage for them to do that. Do they do that because it costs? It's hard to compare costs apples to apples because it's mostly based on your volumes and different towns have different volumes. Oh, I see. So I'm not really able to give you good information in that way. I look at it as it's ease of use for both us here in the office. It does what it needs to do. And it's ease of use for researchers. They need to be able to come in here and find what they need to find. The indexing is very powerful on this particular system. I think that's where the strengths lie. So your recommendations to just do it? Just do it. I would like to continue working with this company. I think they've made some improvements along the way. They've been really committed to keeping their support staff through all these numerous changes. I still have the same person that was working with Terry Conte 10 years ago. Oh, really? Yes. Oh, good to be there. You're happy where? Thank you. If you're happy, I'm happy. Thank you. I recognize it's a pretty big number for the year, but considering it allows us, they store our records digitally and microfilm. Our records are in three different locations, and they help us to secure that. So you're getting a lot of services, aren't you? Yeah. This also includes the math office, which we've opened, but we've not uploaded any maps each year yet. So as soon as we get ready to do that next big project is scanning our serving apps into the system, that will be an added benefit that's really really helpful for everybody. Is that something that office workers will do or that somebody else will do? I'm not sure. I'm thinking that it may be a project that we do in bits and pieces, because I am reluctant to let these maps leave the office. There are companies that can come in and do that service for you. It's pretty pricey, but I think we can probably manage it. There are both maybe contracts on the way to come in and help us just do the scanning, and I would do the indexing, because it's going to be indexed in a specific way. We want to try to get parcel numbers in there somewhere as well. That's something that we've been missing for years. Yeah, and that's going to be another cost. Eventually, but we're only paying for the map office. It's already set up, so as soon as we start getting even a few maps and we can just scan them in once we get the scanner in working order and start uploading. Okay, and for this one, Gina, you're looking to have authorization to sign it yourself? Yeah, or we can authorize your partner to sign it. You want to make the motion? Sure. I'm just trying to figure out what the motion is. Yeah, some of the contracts for Avenue for the ensuing year and for the right time, this is a five-year contract. Oh, for five years? Okay. Good thing you didn't say that. No, I didn't say it. I think you made the motion. I'll make a motion that the site board approved the contract for five years with Avenue. And we authorize the town administrator Jenkins to sign the agreement on behalf of the site board. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it, they do have it. The back of license application, thank you, Roger. Yeah, I crossed off the wrong name. One update to the names that you have on your list, Zach, emailed me shortly before the meeting that Tom Fisher is no longer able to participate in the committee, so yes, we just removed that name. Okay. So we are actually doing that. Planning Commission Energy Committee appointments. So they want all these people on it? All these people in the blood? Six people. How many do they need? There are these requesting that didn't this be the committee? There are six people. So it would be six current. An even number of them that was great. Any one person will fill up. Okay. Yes, Seth? Yeah. I was at the meeting when we talked about this issue. They're all pretty engaged and enthusiastic about joining. We did talk about size and not wanting to be too excessive and unwieldy. But there wasn't a determination made on how many, you know, how many the limit should be for the committee. But these sort of, it was six out of six that expressed interest in that and the Planning Commission unanimously thought that this was appropriate. Okay. Thank you. Sound good. These are highly qualified people and we are lucky to have them in town and willing to share their expertise with us. Okay. So Ian, a motion to recommend any appointments? Any motion to appoint? Yeah, we're supposed to appoint them, I believe. Yes, to appoint them. Yeah, appoint them. I move to appoint Andy Capuro, Ben McCall, Austin, Kate, Emily, Levin, Stephen Miracle, and Rick Barstow to the Energy Committee in its latest configuration. To the newly reformed East Molecular Energy Committee. How was that? Yeah. Second. There we go. We have a second. All those in favor, please say aye. All right. Okay. So that took care of the Energy Committee. And now we can go to the Bachelor of License application. And that is sure. So I emailed shortly before the meeting to say a few people to say what I don't think we've had tobacco licenses before us before. And I did some research which suggested to me that we didn't really have much of a role in that. We can't say yes or no to that. And Rosie and I had a discussion beforehand. Apparently the statute has changed. And do you want to tell the group what you told me when I came in? Well, last year the statute changed partially due to changes that the Department of Liquor Control Flicker and Liberties doing to create their online portal for license renewal. So as part of all of the changes that they were submitting, they have now made the request that towns, the municipal body of the town, or the legislative body of the town, approve both liquor and tobacco licenses, as well as any tobacco substitute, which I presume is making licenses. You have never in your history had to approve a tobacco license before. It is new this year. The general consensus from the folks at the Department of Liquor Control we had our training last summer was that they are still doing all the legwork with all the investigations and ensuring that people have the approved and required education that's involved for all licenses, whether each of that both liquor or anything else. But for whatever reason they felt that the legislature felt that the towns should at least have knowledge that these were happening. So. The new deal. It's a little bit new, but it's really no different to me than a normal liquor license renewal that we would get from anyone else. Just now we also need to do to that, but we will probably see one from Douglas as well. Okay. And is there a violation listed on the application? There is a violation. They were unable to share the specifics with me. The person for whom the violation is listed had no idea what even was. It could be something that is literally decades old. The Department of Liquor Control will not allow a license to be sent through the portal for authorization by a town if the applicant has had misdemeanor in the last 10 years or, I'm sorry, a felony in the last 10 years or misdemeanor in the last three. So. You said it was okay. They basically said they're fine with it. And that there are very few instances that they've had in the last 10 years that have caused them not to allow a license to be approved. So based on that new information from Rosie, then I guess I'm comfortable with us approving this application at this point. And then I would like to just revisit our role in liquor and tobacco license and other things. I have a sheet here from the Department of Liquor and Lottery Division of Liquor Control that says that there's no town approval required for tobacco licenses, manufacturer license, fourth class licenses, farmer market permit, et cetera, et cetera. But it's dated 11 in November of 21. Right. So I guess what I'd like to do is get an idea of how things, how the landscape is shifted with this new landscape, this new legislation and bring back a discussion of how much we want to just delegate this to the town clerk. There are a number of towns that give blanket authorization for their town clerks to handle these on a regular basis, just regular intervals. That's obviously up to the board's pleasure what they want to do with those or not. I could certainly see why that wouldn't have happened five years ago when I started because I had no clue what I was doing. But at this point, I would feel fairly comfortable processing the standard renewal of a license for either tobacco or liquor. However, I feel it's important that you folks see any catering or special event licenses that come across my desk, any manufacturers licenses that we may see, distribution, special events. In the past, what we have mostly seen are special event catering licenses, and we've had a festival license what was it three years ago, and more smart than the music festival. So we really don't get a lot of activity with these. But I guess what I'm saying is I would be sure to let you know if there was something other than a standard non-renewal. And that's also something that could be easily reported to you folks as they come along on a monthly basis. I mean, what we've done in the past is what we just sent around if we had a problem with something that we got in the country. Yeah, so that was for caterers. It's a special event. That's just a regular license. That's a catering license. Okay, because those are ones that you would say let us know within 24 hours if you have a problem. Right. So the regular ones, the legalized ones we've done in the meeting. Yeah. Then you can continue to do that if you want. Well, we don't have to. Nope. No, we don't have to. I don't have to authorize somebody else to do it. I don't authorize a counter to it. Yeah, me too. I think I would too. I would too. I'd like to just pull off and address this with a bigger picture once we have a big understanding what this new legislation does, take everything in one package. What's a new legislation do? Well, that's what I'd like to understand. They created the licensing portal. Oh, electronic. Electronic means everything's electronic. The only thing that's not electronic is they haven't figured out a way to show the township when they're coming. So we still have to get one of those paper checks. But there are also some minor changes in some of the pricing with some of the licenses and there were some changes that DLC made for licenses that we don't normally handle. Or that we don't actually see a lot of those. There were changes in the manufacturer and license application and things like that. So my understanding is kind of a housekeeping sort of sort of change as well as the creation of their own. Okay, go ahead. Oh, yeah. Yes, Judith. Thanks, Rosie. And you may or may not know the answer to this. But if we're being asked to approve the license application, it appears that there should be some standards or factors that we should be reviewing in making our determination. That's the only thing that kind of holds me up that we're now involved in the review process. But I haven't found anything about what the factors are for determining whether or when we can or may say no, or if it's just a rubber stamp. We're not approving or authorizing. Okay. The Department of Liquor Control approves. I know it's semantics in some cases. Yeah, and I guess the bullet is if we feel comfortable with it, well, what are the factors that make us that would warrant our feeling comfortable or uncomfortable? And it's maybe similar to what Carl's saying about maybe having a little bit more info on it and the town's involvement in it. But that was just a question that I had. That's reasonable. I think that something that I would look at in a renewal license would be, okay, so the person's name, phone number, contact information is there and is accurate. So we can, if we need to contact them, we have the ability to do so. That they are an actual business in this town and that they're running in this town. And that we would, you know, so we see a conviction. So I call DLC to see what this conviction is all about. They reassure me if, you know, basically it sounds to me like they have done the approval process that says that this person is okay. As far as they're concerned, these people are okay to get these licenses. So we're just under stamping. They nearly want the town to rubber stand and say, okay, we know that you're granting these folks a license. I think that's how their system is really working. So here's what the legislation says. Here's what the statute says. We're looking at Title VII alcohol beverages, cannabis and tobacco, Chapter 40, tobacco products. And it says that the board, so the control board, I guess, shall prepare an issue of tobacco and, let me see, I'm sorry, gotta read further down. For a license or endorsement required under this section, a person shall apply to the legislative body of the municipality, that's us, and pay the following fees and then list the fees. And then the next section says the municipal clerk shall forward the application to the division and the division shall issue the tobacco license and the tobacco substitute endorsement as applicable. So there is no role in the statute that I see for us to say yes or no. It's just that they send it to us and we give it to the town clerk. And we, from my past experience, we had police department in the town where I work, and we would always ask the police chief, so if you had any problems with these people, do you know if there's any violations? But liquor control is already doing it. That's what they have liquor control officers for, you know, the violation is usually through liquor control that's handled. So they're the ones that know. We're not going to know unless we happen to be. They're safe. Yes, right. So we're not really in the position to deny or prove because we don't really. That's final. Yeah, yeah, we don't have any criteria that we are applying. What are we saying yes or no to? Because we don't, what are we saying? What are we looking at? I don't know. So we're just passing it along. Well, what was that? Well, I just was repeating what you had said. We're just passing it along. We shall. Yeah, okay. It's ministerial, our role. Well, it may be that because Department of Liquor Control has the enforcement capability, the town does. Yeah. All right. So right now we have a tobacco license application before us. Thanks a lot. What are we doing with that? Saying, okay, we're noting that it's here and rising fast and along. Yeah, I don't think we can do that by consensus. That's right. Have you noticed any problems with that? Um, I don't think. I mean, I do want to say that I think there's no redeeming social value in tobacco products and that they kill a lot of people. And I regret that we have them on sales here in town. But I think to prohibit them would require a large discussion. Even if we didn't have the authority to do it, we can go. Wow. Okay. We are getting the weeds on this one. I like this. The weeds. The weeds. Yeah, okay. The weeds. Huh. I'm not going to second that. I'm not saying that either. But well, probably going out a little bit of a limb. I'm just going on the record. Okay. All right. So any back to serious business, we're not saying anything about this application. We're just saying it's fine. You're directing the clerk to. We're directing the clerk to make sure that this is correct. And that people's names are spelled correct. Okay. So do I, can I move on? Yes. Okay. Agreed to have my camera. Now the next item is consideration of liquor license applications. Fox market. First class, second class, outside consumption. Also playing field hardware. And playing field hardware with musicians. Was that added in the plan for February? Yeah. Yeah. So we might as well deal with all of them. Did they get their paperwork right this time? Yes. Good. Okay. It's a whole lot easier now that they're going on the portal to do it. Okay. Okay. So, what does everyone think? Do we have to want to make any special statements? No. You're just going to authorize the dunkler? Yeah. Yeah. Can you approve the application? Yes. Well, we did the last one by consensus. Yeah. I think that just by consensus, it's just, yeah. Okay. Okay. Everyone is good with that? Yeah. That was for the partner as well. Yeah. In the past, in the past, we've approved them by motion. I thought so too. Yeah. I think we need a motion. I thought that we only, in the past, required the signature of the chair. Right. And no longer ducks. Okay. Well, look, just wait. That's all we had. For all types sake, until we get a better grip on our purview here, why don't we make a motion? Sure. Let's make a motion. Won't hurt anything. Make a motion to approve both the Fox market. And, oh, you need separate motion for each one? No. I was just going to say, Fox marks request for first class, second class, and outside consumption. Yeah. And playful hardware. They're asking just for tobacco. Second class. Second class. Oh, second class. Okay. Second class. Second class. Look here. And we, the select board will authorize the town clerk to approve the applications for the process. To process the average. Process it. I was going to say for further processing. Thank you. Do some further processing. Sorry. Okay. It's okay. Make sure you know who made that. You want your name? Unless you want to. I don't know. My name is Damien around enough. Do we have a second? Here we go. Second. I'll second that. Damien, second. All those are favoritly said. All right. Hi. The eyes appear to have what they do have. Thank you, Rosie. Thank you, Rosie. Thank you, Rosie. And I'll say your phrases about WCAX. So how accurate do you want your statement to read about tobacco products? I'm just asking because we have a meeting taker here that does a very great job. Yeah, if you'd like to email it to me, I can get the word in any second. Yeah, okay. Okay. Thank you. Very nice. Okay. The next item is consideration of East Montpellier Fire Department memorandum of understanding for proposed radio communications system. I believe you're here to address that. I'm here to address it. All right. At least I hope I can address it. Do you want to tell us who you are for the record? Elvin Petrella, the chief of East Montpellier Fire Department. So basically you're an interim chief until election? Yeah, yeah. So basically Capital West, Capital Farm Mutual Aid, is in the process of upgrading the radio system. It's something that's in the design phase and they're going to go out, hopefully, to bid in the next year. They hope to be out the bid within the next year. They're in the process of getting RFPs. And then that will put us make each member organization responsible for contributing towards paying off that debt. The city of Montpellier is going to be the bent for, say, to go out and bond for this. And so they, what they want in the discussions when this whole process started between the central remote public safety authority and trying to set up regionalized dispatching, City of Barrie, City of Montpellier, Capital West. Things came up, discussions about how things might not be shared between all member towns. And so one of the things that came out was the member and move understanding so that you're aware that youth folks back when this was created 15 years ago, I don't know the exact date, that the fire chief was the designated rep that represented the towns in the Capital Fire Mutual A, the Capital West. And so they want reaffirmation. And I think to go forward, they want to bring us every year so that it's fresh. And everybody's mind, yes, the town is aware that the fire chief is the one that represents the town at these meetings and discusses that. And hopefully that should bring the story back so you're aware as things progress and change. So, I got an email from Toby that laid out the cost. And he said it was coming out of your Capital plant. Yeah, 54, 56,000. Well, yeah. I just want to bring it a little speed on that. So what it says is, it's my favorite part of my memorandum of understanding because that's something that we're going to sign. We have one, but we're just talking. Well, then they would like you to basically accept it and sign off on it and have a record in your minutes to reflect that. That we're accepting the cost for you. I mean, you're- Oh, no, it's more than the actual memorandum of understanding. I think you all got it. We don't. Oh, okay. All right. We have a 2D sign talking there. Okay. Yeah. So we probably need a motion on that. So can I ask a couple of questions? So this is new, this memorandum of understanding. This is a new, this isn't a renewal of something that has been done in the past. Um, to memorialize the agreement between the parties regarding the capital by our mutual aid system. No, it's not new. That's, it's been around since it was created. And it is that the fire chief is the rep. But as town people change in town government, fire chiefs change in the organizations. Some of that stuff gets lost in the process where you don't realize that as a town, all the fire chief is the one that represents you in this organization. And so somebody, I think from, I don't know, who brought it up that felt things were happening, the towns, they'd know about it, who's controlling the left. And so the attorney for the represents cap of West said that the towns should be refreshed in this and understand this. That's what the MOU is for. Yeah, something you put on. Um, I have to. So, um, so for, for both us and callus, we have the same delegate. Right. Calus, Calus officially is not a member of organization. Okay. But you're the chief of the combined fire department. Emergency services basically. So Calus is part of it. Isn't that part of that organization? Right. But there, if you look in the bylaws, it states all the towns that are a member of the organization. Yeah. And so when this was created, I don't know exactly when. Calus was not part of it because it's not clear was the fire department. Yeah. So it was the town that used to not put it. Yeah. So I guess I have a question or I have a couple of questions about the MOU one in the now. Therefore, there's reference to a project. Project is not defined unless I'm not seeing it. And it could be that I'm just not seeing it. Right. Radio purchase. It's the upgrade to radio system. Okay. Where is that defined? I don't have it. Well, number four. For replacement equipment, we use an annual budgeting process to appropriate the necessary funds for operation meetings for the project. Yeah. It's a capital P project. So that's a term of art to mean something specific, but the document itself doesn't define what that is. Unless someone can show me where project is defined. That would need to be changed because that's not clear. In paragraph six, the parties affirmed that their respective fire chiefs. So the parties, the town of Eastmont-Pillier is a party. The town of Eastmont-Pillier does not have a fire chief. EMFD has a fire chief. The town of Eastmont-Pillier does not. So that would need to, that's not accurate. Yeah. I think that's a good point, Judith. And I think there is a problem as I'm just quickly reading this. With the first wear ads clause, it says that pursuant to title 20, chapter 175, sub-chapter three, BSA, various municipalities in and around the central Vermont area formed the capital fire mutual aid system. But if you look at the text of the statute, it says that a private volunteer fire department may enter into mutual aid agreements. So it's quite possible in the lack of any other documentation for us to review here. It's quite possible that Capital West is composed of the Eastmont-Pillier fire department and not the town of Eastmont-Pillier at all as a member. Yeah, they're a party. Right. I mean, that's possible. Because the Arctic is a party. We'd have to look at the founding documents for Capital West. Because they're not a town fire department. They're a problem. Right. So you may be the party that's designated to statute. So I'm having a hard time understanding how we would sign this. Oh, because? Because we're not a party, possibly. I mean, we don't have enough information to show that we are a party to this. The members were listed as a member, I think, under the bylaws. I saw that somewhere. I could be wrong. So Eastmont-Pillier is a member. But we don't have fire departments to some separate thing. But they can still, they can be a member. Yeah. Right. And he's still the designated member. But we're signing it too. That we can sign it because we are a party. OK, so it says, I think this is what you're referring to. Article five of the bylaws, a membership of this system of Capital West shall consist of Vermont municipalities and private organizations signatory to these articles as represented by their respective fire departments. Namely, and Eastmont-Pillier is listed. I'm not clear whether as a municipality, are Eastmont-Pillier there or whether that's Eastmont-Pillier's fire department. As a member of me. Right. And private. Well, that's probably not serious. I don't think we should be signing this if we're on that. We don't have a mutual meeting of the minds. This means. And you may not need to, when you're using your own funding and you may just sign this. Yeah, they need to sign that. No, I'm all you. Not us. Whoops. Yeah, that I'll have to find that out. Yeah, because you're the guys who are paying for it. Yeah, of course, I was thinking we don't have any. Well, we do find it. But we find, we hire them. We hire them. Actually, right. Right. We have a contract for that. Right. Right. Right. Well, let's find that out. I got I can. Yeah, because this is not something that has to happen to me. Yeah. But I can find that out. And of course, Judith's point that the project is not defined. It's kind of a good point because there is no. We talk about the plan. And they talk about the project. It's about plan, but it doesn't, it defines plan. And then they use the term project. Yeah. Yeah. Not the clearest. Good afternoon, Robert. Good luck with that. Well, you got notes, right? Do your good shape. Yeah, because truthfully, this was all. Yeah, I don't know what this means. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Sure. Well, there it's also, you know, people Bobby just said he's my player as a member. And they just figured that's in companies. Close to everything. Close to nothing. He's my player as a member. Right. But this is five percent of other respective fire departments. Great. It's not the fire department. Namely. Well, you need notes on what we have issues with. You bought some stuff down. I wrote some things down. Okay. Right. Are you saying I'm just saying, you know, we have any, we're going to have a few notes on that. Yeah. Yeah. You can, you can get. Yeah. That's why I kind of want. Exactly. He can over her shoulder looking like, wow. She's really good. She does a great job. So the one other question you can ask is that he's my favorite fire department or is he some of their talent? I guess. I think they say. Yeah. They're not the same. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's interesting. And I didn't say I don't think of it that way. Question. Yeah. I listen. Yeah. No, I got questions. Oh, good. Let's just get that answered because we are private, technically. Yeah. Private agents. Yeah. So. Okay. Well, thanks for stepping into the chief role, Albert. Thank you. I know there's a steep learning curve. Even though you've been on the board for a while. I don't think it's that steep. He's been on fire for a long time. Shouldn't be that steep. So steep. It's a lot to do too. A lot to be responsible for. Yeah. How you liking that? Right now, I got some challenges. I'm working all the way through. Yeah. You know, whether those challenges will go away and it smooths out or just some new challenge takes its place. Yeah. I don't know about, you know, I hope to bring some calmness to the turbulence we've had in the past. Right. Here. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good luck with that. Yeah, good luck. I will do my best. That's all I can say. All right. Well, come back in when you want to. Yeah. We'll figure that out. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. So next thing on our agenda, consideration of County Road Ranch Reimbursement Project Request Reimbursement Request Several Fogets. Foget of the Mind. BTS Retransstructures Grants, BC2132. So this is the final of the forward route that we have for County Road. This is the second for the north of Barnes-Folver. Yeah. We had a previous grant that used already to reach out to $60,000 in reduction or to receive those funds. So that was actually a better road to grant. Oh, yeah. So this is now the final piece to that. Yeah. So it's over $25,000. $24,770. I don't know why this one is so precise, but it is. So. Do we need to all sign that agreement? Yes. And he has that. Okay. Do we need to do a motion to approve it? Probably not if we're signing it. Right. And Seth has already started the process. So I'm going right to town. Yeah. So again, as in a previous document like this, it says I swear to the correctness, et cetera, and I have amended it to the standard Vermont formulation. I swear or affirm to the correctness. Now, one of the, oh, that was fine. Where's the other one? It's on the avenue. You passed that around. I think I passed that on to John. Because it said buy. It has three lines, actually. There, I jumped that. It has a top line and my next one's a Y. And the next one is your position. Come on. Yeah. We should buy these. Avenue, I think you authorized me to sign. Yeah, we did. Oh, what was the other one? I signed it. I have the map, the CAI. Oh, the CAI. That was the one. I think it said, I just signed it. I assume that that was, some people have their secretary sign it for them. Oh, yeah, maybe that was the one. Oh, yeah. The byline. Okay, yeah. Okay, okay. So, so we're signing that. Then you have one more piece to sign. That's kind of up in the, yeah, which are solicitors. Yeah, I had that right here. So that's part of our other business. But wait, we still have no appeal or suit pending. Yes. So that was that's it. So we just passed around sign it. Yes. Okay. And we still have a big item here. On our agenda. What? What? Don't sign it. Moritz, Moritz. No, discussion. And COVID. And let it go. COVID-19. Oh, what the heck? Wow, you were really. I know. You really jumped off. Wow. We discuss it every single meeting. You have to look out. I didn't think it was a big idea. Is that what we're doing now? Yeah. Well, that's the next item. Okay, very good. Yes. So we have some information, as usual, from our town administrator on the state of COVID. Thank you for that. And I interviewed on the radio last Thursday, John Matthew, who is the founder and CEO and medical director of the health center in Plainfield, talking about their clinics that they have for flu shots and COVID shots. That now there are 11 of them left. They are Saturdays nine to noon at the health center. And you can also get masks and at home antigen tests there. He commented on the state of COVID right now. We talked about how 80% of Vermonters have gotten the initial vaccination, but only one third are fully boosted with a new bivalent booster. And they're trying to get more people in to get that final vaccination. And he commented on the underreporting that we've talked about many times here. And he said, this is new to me, that sometimes people who not only test positive and maybe are even treated don't get reported into the system. So that was a new recall. And he commented that the death rate is down about 90% from, I guess, what it was at his peak. So that's some news from the front. And they did have a customer, a client, a patient die of COVID recently at the health center. But most people who get it these days, even if they have to seek medical care, they don't die from it. And chances of not dying are increased if you're vaccinated. And they also have treatments and they have treatments for long COVID as well. He talked about the problem that long COVID is and how even young people, the college age people are getting hit by long COVID. And we talked about the millions of people in the U.S. who are. Are those people vaccinated or not vaccinated? We didn't talk about that. But he did talk about treatments that you can give to people. And he listed about five of them. So it is medically treatable. How successful those treatments are, we didn't talk about. But there are treatments still. There are advertising on the television tonight that is a pestle of it. That's one of them. That they said, if you think you have and even if you can boost it, how you're a medical provider that you have COVID and discuss it with them. And take that as soon as you can between three and five days after you find out that you're positive. And they're just saying, just do it. And you may have to take it or you may not. But it can shorten substantially short. What's it called? That's the best of it. Definitely can shorten your illness. And that another dosage or round of that is one of the treatments you mentioned for long COVID. And just since we're in the meeting for anyone that may watch this that is not on like a front porch forum. We do have COVID tests here at the town office. So for anyone that needs those. So it's actually been funny. We never had anyone work class and one person called Rosie and asked. So she ordered a rather happy supply. Oh, okay. And now we've had almost daily people coming in and getting COVID tests. And she's put the post on front porch forum. So it's been very well received. Yeah. Thank you for that. Thank Rosie for that. Yes. Yeah. So you can grab some on your way up if anybody needs. They're actually right in the lobby. Okay. So that is my comment that I've been trying to interpret it. Well, it seemed to be long for a comment, but thank you for your. I was going to say it was short. It was sweet. Oh, you weren't? But I was long in a comment. You don't think it's a speech? I thought he was going to have a dissertation for a moment. That was on tobacco costs. You're right. Never mind. The next thing on agenda is warrants. And that's going around. Yeah. And we're all the other business. I had that one thing. Have you done all the work? Well, we have a TA report. But it doesn't. Oh, yeah. But the other business. Well, if you do it after your work. Let me know. Yeah. Start laughing. So zoning administrator, just a reminder, this was mentioned at the last meeting, but we'll be out of the office next week and a week after he has available via phone if needed. This will not be a whole regular office hour. Want to give some huge to those embraced to Rosie WCAX visited the office on Friday. And Rosie was interviewed by Melissa Cooney, who was very nice. And it was about town meeting. And Melissa reached out to the office because she we were identified as a town that kind of has a hybrid approach to town meeting. So she interviewed. Town clerk look here and went through what our process is. And Rosie did an exceptional job in that interview. So just want to give you props to Rosie for that very proud moment in this office. So day two for when that will air. Melissa Cooney did say she would let us know when they will be airing that it will be closer to town meeting. Day, of course, but just wanted you all to do that. It's kind of the only office on Friday. Great. Yeah, Rosie gave me an election update that the town ballots, I think they were going to the mail today or I think they're going to the mail today. And the town ballots will be in the same envelope with the school ballots. And then for the Central Vermont Career Center ballots, people have to call and request those if they would like those mail. And she hasn't really got many calls for those just yet. There was one permit issued since last meeting. And to let you all know, this is only permit. Yeah, the permit. Correct. The DRB held a meeting last week and just provided updates of the three different permits that they that they considered. Essentially, two subdivisions slash boundary line adjustments. And then also rather close to the office at Fontaine Meadows property. That's kind of a process for you from Fox Market, but there will be a formal store being built on that. I believe all of these were approved. Then we have the upcoming meeting schedule. February 27 is the next meeting that we get into town meeting. We will have the regular meeting on March 6, town meeting on March 7. And then the next regular meeting date is March 20. Assuming that fits into everyone's schedules. Perfect. Yep. Sounds good. I've got one thing that I wanted to say too. This just in this news just in there is. So as you all know that I am not running again and there is an open spot now in this left board. I just got wind of somebody that might be interested in it. I don't know this person personally. Do you want me to reach out to him or does somebody that's going to be on the select board want to do it? I don't know this person personally. It was referred to me by somebody that I know well. Well, it's going to be we'll be advertising for the position. Right. Normal process and then. Sure. No, you're going to appoint somebody. Yeah. Yeah, there's still the option of the person running as a writing candidate. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So do you want me to talk to this person even though I don't know him or does somebody else want to do it? I'm happy to do it. Okay, I'll do it. Okay. So right in Canada, it's hard to write it in Canada when you don't know the name. So how does that work? Somebody would have to learn the person's name. Yeah. Oh, very good. With the person essentially like maybe put something on the board. Yeah, the person would say, hey, I'm interested in running for select board. Write my name in. I need 30, 30. That's why they have to do it. They have to do something because. I mean, yeah, sorry. How would they get their own name? And they have to have 30 signatures or 25? That votes. Yeah. Yeah, that's the same thing I said. Oh, I wasn't listening to the way. I'm glad you're asking. No, no, I screwed it up. Yeah, I figured you did. Yeah, but you did it too, though. Yeah, I screwed it up independently. Oh, okay. So anyway, sure. Okay, you can say what the process entails if you're going to be a writing candidate. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell Matt. Okay, sure. Or they could wait and, you know, do you know, hold and so their hat in the ring. Will we solicit the application? Sure. Okay. Now, why would you not want to be? That's like. You know, I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't want to. Are you asking me personally? I just, no, I just had to get out of the way because Scott wanted to do it so badly. I didn't want to squash his dreams. You know, Do you really call it? Nefertis. They're a power family. Yeah. I can see that. Okay, so let's do it. I have a bit of what would you have? You had more. Okay, so the parking along the Vincent Flass Road adjacent to school is an issue. The farm up the road is expressing concern. Tractor trailer is going by huge line of cars, another truck coming up the road. So it's too narrow. A lot of parents are picking the kids up to system that they have in place for kids to be picked up. It's very slow because you got a radio in the school and then they radio out their parent there and then they send it out one at a time. It's not like there's a bunch of kids leaving left out with their parents' cars. It's one at a time and they won't change the system. There's a person called the principal and they're like, no, we're not changing that. So what the principal asked for was could they park cars down adjacent to the rec field and it needs to be plowed in order for that to happen. Parking or is this standing? Are there people in these cars? Yeah, there's parents, but the parents could park down there and take the path that goes from the rec field to school. They wouldn't be in the road. They could walk up there and pick up the kid or they could use the parking lot above the school and the people that are teaching there and use that parking lot, they could park down there. Right, right. Yes, Carl, the cars are queued up and yes, people are in the car. Yeah, and of course this points to the issue that parents don't want their little loved ones to ride on a school bus. So it makes a bus driver pretty low length. I don't think it's good myself, but that's my personal opinion. I think it's by the school bus. I don't think there should be a long line of cars idling away up there sitting by the school. It's terrible. But I don't think you can legislate that away. But what we could do is put signs up to say no parking and we could get the parking lot plowed by the rec field and we could put up no parking signs. Really though, we really should change the ordinance that says we can put those signs up there. But it's where they're not parking. We're here, nobody parking there. Well, they're not parking hours at a time, but they could be there for an hour park. But if there are people in the car, my understanding is that's not parking. We could say no standing. Well, we could say something. You don't think parking for an hour or so waiting for Johnny to come out of the parking. My understanding in this, I have not looked at stuff in the statute. This is just what I was taught as a kid. When you're parking, you are not in the car. As long as you're in the car, then you're not parking. Okay, I have a boring teenage years. I was taught to call that parking. No standing, stopping or parking is what I've seen when you really don't want any cars that are more. Okay, well, we could put up some signs, but in order to make it legal, we have to change our ordinance, but we put up the signs anyway. We can't learn to change your ordinance either. I know it's not. I update a whole bunch of things on that ordinance. That's right. So I advocate that we change our ordinance, we put up signs, and we say we plow the parking lot down there. If we want to send the school bill, we could or we could just pay for ourselves. Do you want to say no smoking in the car? How much are you drinking? No alcohol, beverages, being consumed. No open fire. Are you parking? Yeah. Okay. Restaurants and being home. What? Don't you remember that? I remember that, like, but yeah. What's that? People could drop, no, people could drop in and pick up a drink at a restaurant or a bar and bring it home. Yeah, I remember that. Oh yeah. Are you talking about during COVID? Like, yeah. Yeah. So that's how it's going. To have open containers in the car. But they must relax that, right? Speed driver. Okay. We're not drinking it. Okay. It's a state of emergency. Yes. Okay. So what is everyone think? About what? About filing, direct. Any more information? I need like a diagram. I'm having a hard time visualizing this and appreciating the problem. So I don't have enough information to make a recommendation. Every day. I do too. I've driven through that. So what it is, they're basically lining up along Vincent Flats, along basically towards the entrance to the round, the circular drive. That's at the elementary school. The school side. So they're both directions? Are they coming from both directions? They're only on one direction. It's only coming from Dodge Road to food school. And down below. Down below, to the right field. They park all the way along. All the way along that side. Have they done that? That's new that they're adding on then. Well, they're doing a long, long line. So it makes it difficult when you're driving on the road. There's one lane, essentially, or a very partial lane. If you're trying to go from Dodge Road to Quaker on Vincent Flats. So I know when I have done it, I hang back and wait to try to have the other side clear. Honestly, at some point, you just have to go because it just doesn't happen because of the number of cars that are coming at you that typically are stopping to turn at school. So I usually will go and just go very, very slow down. But to assess point, I'm driving a Subaru doing that. I'm not in a very large farm vehicle. So if at a large truck, there's just not enough room. So it's, I think, creating a safe, it's a safety issue. Yeah. I mean, one truck's coming down the road this way and another one's coming up this way. The line of cars is long. There's no place to go. Or they're going to meet a car. I can tell you that one of the houses that's in that area had put up a bunch of signs to tell people to stop blocking their driveway. So that was certainly the intention for a while as well. I think the sign has kind of worn out and people seem to have don't do that anymore. They don't block the driveway, at least when I have driven by them. Yeah. It has been an issue with the parking lot. At times. So you're going to have signs. How is that going to be enforced? Well, that was always the issue. You can't really, well, you can enforce it if you have an ordinance. But you can't. I mean, what resources would you use to stay police? You'd have to have police and you'd have to be ability to get things. Yeah. We're not going to pay the state unless this is something we're going to do. Yeah. It's already to be in town. You just call them and say, look, we have this problem up there. Can you come up and write some tickets for a few days? I can assure you if they vote a few tickets, they will be parking there as well. But the issue is we don't need to do that. If we can clear out a parking space down at the recreation field, somebody can park down there, parents or teachers. Exactly. And get them off the road. Yeah. It's just not enough parking space. I just want to do it in a positive manner, not enforce it. Exactly. But I'm convinced that this is a problem and I don't know what the best solution is. And I think that we should have a conversation with some other people who are involved in this, whether it's the school administration, whether it's a representative from the PTO, maybe all of them. But I don't think unilateral action on our part is likely to be real successful. I'm not going to make people very happy either. Are you hoping up the parking area or something? No, no, not that. If we were going to enforce against them. Oh, no, but I'm just talking a first step. But that, I mean, that's a good idea, Carl, like maybe, you know, administration, PTO, and a representative from the Wreck Committee to talk about, you know, that alternative that you're suggesting, Seth. Yeah, somebody has talked to Wreck Committee already, but whatever you want to do. The person they called me today was one of the owners of the farm up there and they have talked to the Wreck Committee and they talked to the principal. Whatever you want to. I'm just saying that's what's happened. They suggested the solution of the Wreck Field Parks. Shall we invite to our next meeting the principal PTO rep and the Wreck Committee rep? Go on. Go for it. Sure. And is our road foreman willing to take on that extra plan? Can I ask? Yeah. Okay. I mean, the way it snowed this year wouldn't be too much. Right. But they wouldn't have to swing it now. Yeah. No question about it. Yeah. Sure. Put it on our agenda. Thanks, Mark. Thanks for bringing that to our table. Yeah, what's next? Thank you. What's next? What's next on the agenda? I think we've done all the other business. We're a little, we're a little bit early. So we should talk about something really. It's going to take like two hours. Yes. Then we've been putting off a lot. Oh, there is something? Yeah. Do you want me to just sit there? Who's at the adjourn? Okay. Oh, I'll second that. You should adjourn me. All of the favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Are you going to vote on that? Yeah, I said. Aye.