 Hey everybody, hope you all are doing well. Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, depending upon where you are on this planet. Guys, we're gonna have fun today. There won't be, I don't think there should be any name calling, except for this intro. Guys, I wanna introduce you all who don't know Sir Walter Jones to the world's worst church member. And really what I really mean by that is to the worst church of God in Christ member. And so without further ado, let me go ahead and bring in my brother. Brother Walter, how you doing today? I'm doing good sir, how are you man? I am on top of the world. I'm on top of the world. It's always good when you got some good men to talk to. And so that's what I got today. Man, boy, you coming out the gate, making me feel all right. Well, you know, if you put, if you pour sugar and honey on people, it's hard for them to hit you back. So. Impressive, quite impressive. So guys, I know y'all may have saw the thumbnail and thought, what kind of, what kind of, how do you say somebody's the world's worst, the worst church member, but that y'all, this is a good thing. I'm gonna let him tell more of his story. And so for some of you guys on this channel, obviously you guys that are on his channel, you already know about him, but for you guys that are on this channel and aren't familiar with him, one, you ought to get familiar with him. Go make sure you go to his channel and subscribe, check him out. I would not heap high praises on him if I didn't think they were warranted. Do we agree on everything? I'm pretty sure we don't. I don't agree on everything that I say sometimes. If I go back and remind you. So, but good brother loves the Lord. We have some of the same, actually have similar roots. So he's just stayed there. My roots weren't deep enough there. And so I got out of dodge. So, want to tell people about yourself about your background. Oh, my background coming from a, come from a poor family. Didn't have much. What the law been good to me. I mean, my father's from Mississippi, Jackson, Mississippi. Mother from Little Rock, Arkansas. They came together when the blacks, they are children of the black flight from the migration from the South to the Northern cities. They settled, they decided to settle in Chicago. I'm so glad that they did. Cause I love this great city. Been here all my life. I'm born and raised on the West side, Chicago. Nine children my parents had, seven boys back to back. And then the two girls were born later on in life. All right. And we were our religious upbringing, of course, was Pentecostalism, Church of God and Christ. You know, and just saying that alone, explains a whole lot about who I am. Yeah, yeah. And I am the worst Church of God and Christ member. The worst. The worst. You know what's funny? I didn't tell you this, but I was over, there came a time where I was over worshiped and even over choir, over the choir. But I cut my teeth in music on the drums. I can't sing. I'm one of those, I was one of those choir directors who could not sing, but I can put folks in their place. But you know how I became to be a drum player, Church of God and Christ. And obviously, you know, the song, this is the Church of God and Christ. You can't just join in. You gotta what? You gotta be. And so, you know, one time, Sister John's getting ready to catch the Holy Ghost. And you know how the Holy Ghost music goes and I said, I want to learn how to play the drums like that. And so that's how, that's how I'm my... That's how you got in. Yes. So that's how my affinity for music came. But when I say the world's worst Church member, especially in this case, the world's worst Church of God and Christ member, there are some things that you have or that you may differ or disagree with with the Church of God and Christ. And so I would like for you to kind of bring that out because you're not a person that's beholden to tradition or to what leadership says, you are going to follow the scriptures as far as I can tell. And so I want you to kind of expand that and let folks know why they probably ought to maybe follow in your footsteps. Oh, absolutely. You know, people hear me talk about the Church, the affiliation of the denomination that I'm in. And people do look at me as going rogue and they call me controversial. But I have noted that there's people who call me controversial are the ones who are just nervous about what I'm going to say. And because a lot of times I do expose the truth of the scriptures, all right? And I like to dig into Greek and Hebrew and find some dispensational knowledge in it. Time out. Time out. Time out. I knew that would work. Did you say you like to delve into Greek and Hebrew? Yeah, you have to. You know, you know, that's for many folks on YouTube, that's blasphemous, but I just, I thought I heard what you said. That's quite blasphemous. Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead. That caused Corey to come off. He came off. Yeah. I was sitting there drinking my coffee while you were talking. You came back off the way. Lord have mercy. No, I know y'all, we're a little choppy here as I'm sure it was on my end because there was a lot going on on my computer today, but hopefully you guys can hear the audio at least. Yeah, you know, I found it odd that the people of God read a book that was not written in English. It was written in he, maybe one other Greek, but when it came. Okay, the audio froze up on us. I knew this technology was gonna get us there. We had a good connection earlier today. And now, so, Now it's closed. Yeah, you know what? And I don't know how, I just had the idea that this is my sister. Stop pushing, I'm not pushing my sister. I'm not pushing brothers. I mean, buttons, it's not. It ain't me, I'm sitting back and drinking coffee. So, anyway, but say what you just said again. And I'm gonna make sure that there's nothing else on my computer. You can, yeah, froze again, huh? Yeah. Can you hear me? I can hear you now. Yeah. I can hear you now. Let me make sure, let me check something real quick. Let me make sure it's not, okay, then we'll actually check on my end. I'm gonna go over here. Okay, so it's giving me a... I was gonna suggest. I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I was gonna suggest me go back out. If you went out, and if you came back in with that, what would that do? You will still be on my channel, see. I'm waiting for it to knock. Are you able to go out and then come back in? And we still, and we still be able to pick back up. We gonna get as much as we put in to try to fix this earlier today. I'm sending you text. A text? Okay. Yeah. Okay, let me see. Okay, so do I have to send you, put you out and let you just go on out on your own? I'm in your guest chat. Oh, you're in the guest chat? Right now. I'm over there now. Can you see my... You mean on the YouTube chat? You can't, maybe you can't see it. No, I can't. Only you can't, I don't even see the YouTube chat, no. No, but if, so, but you're saying you can go out and then try to come back in, is that what you're saying? Yes. Okay. Yes, yes. Do I need to let you out or do you do it on your own? Okay, okay, go ahead. I'm gonna do it on my own. Okay, so while he's working his end, guys, we'll keep it going. We spent, we did it, I think three times, yeah, three times earlier today. We were working on this. What we're doing, what I'm doing this time is, it's still the same software setup that I have. I'm using this Ecamm software and then, you know, sending out to YouTube, but the only difference is I'm going through, I'm going through this Restream software to where it can go to both of our platforms so that both channels, both people would kind of get the benefit of it. What am I looking at? Okay, make sure I go over here. Now he's gonna be putting himself back in. Okay, but he's still, okay, so good. So I'm still going on his channel. So guys, do me a favor. If you are on Sir Walter Jones channel, give me a thumbs up if you all can still hear me and see me fine on his channel. There is a, I think I do, okay. Looks like I'm okay over there. So give me a thumbs up. Let me know if you guys are okay on his channel. Not on my channel. I know you guys can see and hear me, but on his channel, okay? Okay, cool. So once he comes back in, just on Ecamm, I'll bring him back in. But one of the reasons guys why I wanted him to come on is because his background, I'm familiar with his background. My mother and my grandparents, they came up in the Church of God and Christ. They knew, my grandparents knew Bishop C.H. Mason. And Pentecostal through and through. And it just so happened that the very first Church I ever belonged to was the Church of God and Christ. And the pastor there was Bishop William H. Watson. I said, did I say C.H. Watson? I'm in C.H. Mason. But my bishop, my pastor initially was Bishop William H. Watson. And I still know his children, his son, his daughter, his son-in-law still there at that church. One of the things that I dealt with, and of course the way I dealt with it was differently, but my dealing with the Church of God and Christ and some of the issues doctrinally was, I just left. But Walter is, he's fighting a good fight there. He's got his roots there. And so one of the things that we wanna kinda talk about is how do you maintain or how should you behave as a believer? What if you're a church, if there's some things that you disagree with? Well, what should you do? And so he is a living example. He is a living embodiment of how you should actually behave that way, how you should, if there's some issues in your church, how to go about resolving those issues, fighting for those issues in said church. And so, brother Walton, let's see if we can get it right this time, if you look better this time. So- For now. For now. And if I go out again, what I'm gonna do, I'm just gonna take, I'm gonna use my phone. Okay. If we freeze and not stay froze, I'm just gonna just use my phone. And it might be choppy, but at least it might be better. Yeah. That'll work. Because I'm running a lot, I'm really, I have a lot going on with my laptop. And I gotta unplug some stuff. But yeah, I was listening to you as I was trying to get this thing going. And you are absolutely right about the church regarding Christ. You know, they had good foundation. The foundation, I believe in much of the foundation. Unfortunately, I tend to be, people think that I am a sensationalist. And in some cases, I kinda am because I see the abuse that's happening. The church regarding Christ believe in tongues and believe in tithes, but they believe in tithes most so in the mosaic law type of tithe, not in a voluntary tithe system. You understand what I'm saying? All right. And a lot of things that come from the Azusa street revivals, a lot of the things that we see in the book of Acts with what is their reenactment. A lot of times, church regarding Christ likes to reenact what is supposed to be descriptive and they make it more prescriptive in the book of Acts. They instituted the first fruits. So a lot of things that were relegated to the Jews as far as the feasts that God has instituted. Church regarding Christ borrows a lot of that stuff. And so we're almost like a mutt in a sense. We are hybrid, all right? We gas and we're electric. And we do, we have borrowed a lot from the Catholic church. Our setup in 1968 was a political setup with a presiding bishop who got set up under what's called a Episcopal polity where the bishops rule the church. So when you look into the Episcopal church or the Catholic church, whatever, you do see a lot of the church regarding Christ and how we instituted direct business or even sometimes how we worship. You go to our conventions, the Holy Convocation and you see on Sunday, the morning where the presiding bishop was to speak, you'll see that array of men walking down that aisle coming into the service and it looks like a Catholic mass, okay? With the Pope hats and the sceptres and everything. We just look like them and in many cases we act like them. All right, so my membership in this church, the Lord never didn't tell me to leave, all right? I feel that I can be a type of reform not to the church at large. I know they're gonna continue to do what they do but there's some members in the church that I do love that I try and reach and many of them do here although they buck against it because it's not that easy to turn an old ship too fast. You understand? So the cognitive dissonance in a lot of people can be very difficult to acquire when someone's coming to you with something that you've been born and raised and heard all your life and then this man shows up and shows you some stuff that your former pastor, your current pastor, Uncle Bobo, this is all we know but you never really read it for yourself so this is why a lot of times the church will hear me read from another translation outside of the King James Version and they will, especially the mothers and the older, maybe the baby boomers will get alarmed because I'm not saying V and thus and thou and hither and dither and bitch wicks and words like that and it's difficult for you because you don't even talk like that, all right? You don't speak like that, that's old English, that's old Norse language, you don't talk like that. So you're trying to tell me, you're trying to interpret hermeneutically what's going on in King James but you can't even understand the language of that day. So now you're trying to use your Western understanding and totally going against the aspect of studying the etymology of the scriptures. That means it's Hebrew and Greek or Mag. You refuse to study the original language of that and it would be like any politician that you put in Congress who says, the constitution was written, oh man, back in 1776, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and all this stuff. You know, we don't really ascribe to that. We don't really ascribe to that. So we get this fight with both the Christian and the politician on how to interpret a document that was written many, many, many, many years ago. The spirit of the letter must be considered. What was Paul saying when he said this? What was Jesus saying when he said this? If you don't understand Jewish culture, you wouldn't understand the agricultural speaking and camaraderie between Jesus, the disciples, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, all right? It was an agricultural economy. We don't live that way now. And so we try to transfer what was agricultural to the monetary system that we have today, which is Fiat, and try to push an old dispensation into the new dispensation, which is New Testament, better covenant. And we mesh all this stuff in and that's why I say we have become mutts in our understanding. I was watching your show yesterday and I saw how the young man was going against you because he felt that you were trying to prove the scriptures by going into the Hebrew and in the Greek. And he didn't understand, you know, he was feeling that you were overly making the scriptures and trying to interpret it hermeneutically in the old way of the original way that it was written. Well, does that make sense to do that? If you're gonna dig up something, you need to do some type of test and DNA and find out where they come from. But when you're trying to try to understand something by your new understanding of it, over time, the English language has changed over and over again, all right? It again, it is a mutt language. Every time you look at the dictionary, it says the original of this word is Hebrew. The original of this word is Greek. You know, the original of this word is dramatic. They take you back to the original meaning of the word because that's important to understand what was the spirit behind the letter or the scroll or the writing or the scripture or the epistle, all right? And so when you can't dig into that, you're gonna have another denomination being raised up because there's 30,000 of them right now who are taking one text and pulling it out, creating a denomination and misleading another generation of people who will never understand why was this written for me? But shouldn't we, because you've heard the argument before. Yeah. And I've heard it. And I have honestly, this guy's, this is a moment of me being somewhat honest. Because sometimes you don't wanna say what you ought to say or what you're feeling like saying, just for the sake of just being cordial and nice. But there are people who, they don't know a whole lot and get mad because you might know a thing or two, not maybe a whole lot more, but just a thing or two more. And they'll say, well, you don't have the Holy Spirit. As if a person who would read the Bible in or look at the words in Hebrew or Greek they don't have the Holy Spirit. And they trust their English. But what about the people who brought it from Hebrew, Greek and Arabic into English? Do you trust them? Because their labor for it was more so than mine. And so if I'm not using the Holy Spirit then certainly they weren't using the Holy Spirit also. And they gave you your King James version, new King James or whatever version you use, they gave it to you in English or Spanish. Or French. And so how do you respond to people who would say to you, well, I just rely on the Holy Spirit. It's a cop out. It is a dog whistle. Again, it's cognitive dissonance. It's something it's a monkey see, monkey do. It is people who are, a lot of this stuff is learned. It's like racism. A kid is born. He doesn't understand. He tries to love everybody. He's curious. So that racism is trained and raised up in this child. To look at a black man or black woman say, I hate you because of the color of your skin. Well, I noticed that that's also happening in our churches. We've become elitists based off of what our denominations have raised us up to believe. And we are separatists as well. We're afraid to go out into the world because we won't even properly evangelize. Now we talk about Catholics and we talk about Jehovah Witness and all these people, but they are winning people left and right. And the largest growing religion is the Muslim religion, all right? All over the world. They're constantly winning people. One of the, I think the second largest religion is atheism. It is, it is a religion. It's a denomination of itself. How are these people able to win people? Why are the church being enfeed out? All right, a lot of that is our fault. It is our fault and it starts in the home. It didn't start a church. It looks like the attack happens at church or the biblical illiteracy happens at church, but it happened at home. And even the world know that. That's why when a kid go to school and act a fool, they say you have no what training. They don't say you have no church training. They don't say you have no street training. You have no court training. They say you have no home training. Even the world understand that everything starts in the home. And so the scriptures talked about in Deuteronomy chapter seven and 11 talked about, you know, the Jews, when they did have children, they was instructed for them to teach it to them when they were young and when they were, when they wake up in the morning, when they go out, when they're in the streets, all right? When they come in, when they go to bed, teach it to them, train it to them. So that when they do go out into the marketplace and out into the world, the world can see that they are very proud of who they are. They have been instructed properly and who they really are. That's why the Jews know their genealogy, genealogy by genealogy by genealogy. Black folks, we got to poke, we got to send for somebody, what's that company? You know, you got to send for a packet and get a little blood sample and you send your packet in the mail for them to find out if you are, if you are from Africa or somewhere, you know what I'm saying? But the other, the Jews don't have to do that, they just know it's been spoken to them from generation to generation. So this is our fault, this is the church fault and this is one reason why, again, I fight so hard with this denomination because we have walked away from the tenants of our faith. One of the things that I noticed, I'll never forget this. Now, this is a man who guys who I love dearly, now he's gone on to be with the Lord, but Bishop Watson, he was a bishop in the church of God in Christ. They don't just hand out bishops, you don't get to be a bishop just cause, right? It's not like it's thousands of them. And so he was a man who was esteemed, obviously he was on the board of bishops. And so one day, this particular day, I was, I stepped out of the youth service and let me go over it with the adults. The kids were doing something differently. So I walked over with the adults and they were talking about, I can't remember what they were talking about, but you know how someone from, let's say, they speak Spanish, they go from English to Spanish and they don't, may not even recognize it because they're fluent in both. Well, he went from English to tongues to English to tongues. And I'm thinking, and then while he was doing it, you know how he's got the preaching going on and then folks were saying, amen. And me and my buddy Michael, we just said, well, hey, well, okay, well, you sound like you say something good, but what did you say? Cause I wanna know what I'm saying, amen too. And so when I asked him, I didn't get a good answer. He said, the Lord was just, I don't know what I was saying. The Lord was just speaking in me, just moving in me. And it was just like fire in me. And so, and I can recall exactly how he said it, but what I left with was that, that didn't really satisfy my question. I'm trying to, I wanna know the why because there's gotta be a why. I know you feel it, but why? Why does God, why does God move this way? Why, what's happening? And after a while, I got tired of not getting answers. But I noticed though that when I spoke to other people, they didn't care about not having answers. They seem to care more about what they thought or what they perceived was the move of the spirit. Now, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. But the way that you know, if it is the spirit, we've got the word, we can test it by the word, but people were seemingly uninterested in testing anything by the word or delving deeply in the word. They'd rather have someone to hoop and holler and spoon feed what they say, thus said the Lord is. And so I'm just, that was frustrating to me. And you see that a lot in some of these churches. And so when you come across people in Church of God and Christ or any denomination for that matter who want to have this, and it's gonna sound funny, but you know what I mean? What seems like an over-reliant on what they think is a spirit. And sometimes it's not the spirit. It's not because two people who say they have a Holy Spirit may have two different conclusions. Well, which Holy Spirit is right then? And so how do you deal with those people then who said, no, sometimes you just gotta let the spirit move and his ways, not our ways, or how they say the Lord moves in mysterious ways. How do you counteract that, especially in the Church of God and Christ? Absolutely, stiff neck. I have come up in a generation of stiff neck folks. Now I get why Moses had such a hard time with those people. And in God had a hard time with them as well. Now you know nothing too hard for God, but you know what I mean by that, right? He had to keep rebuking them because of their stiff neck. That's who I'm dealing with right now in my denomination. The one you were talking about, that whole thing with the Bishop and what they felt was right because of their experience. The best song I can think of is feelings, nothing more than feelings. You know what I'm saying? That is what has directed our whole life off feelings. And this is the problem that Jesus had with the Pharisees. You know, they were walking around with big boxes on there, enlarging the boxes so that they can be seen. And call me rabbi. Jesus said, don't call them nothing. Look at them. And they're standing on the steps using big words. They like the fanfare, the pump in the circumstance. And so I have, the Lord has raised him up into me some boldness that I didn't know where it came from until I realized, oh wait, this has to be God because I'm usually a very compassionate man. But when I see this kind of stuff, I get righteous indignation and I can't take it anymore. I'm just not gonna allow you to raise my children up in this mess, this mythology is what I call it. And mislead them because now I got grandchildren and then they're gonna raise my grandchildren. And now we've got generation of generation of people who are lost on something that can be rectified really easy. You've got a Bible on your phone. You, when you go to the hotel, there's one in the drawer by the Gideon Society. You go online on your laptop is there, your desktop is everywhere you go. The scripture is everywhere. How could a book be implanted everywhere in your life? And yet you still be biblically illiterate. You want to be that way. And this is how the occult have gotten you to drink Kool-Aid because they say, watch me, watch me. The Catholic church did that. The scriptures, you couldn't even read it properly. It was in Latin. So you had to go to the priest just to get the interpretation of it. And so whatever he interpreted to be, you had to believe it because the priest, he was a law in the church. He still is, because the many of them have to go there and say, Father, forgive me for, you know, for I have sinned. They can't even go to the Father for themselves. And I see in that in many denominations that they have to go to the pastor in order to get anything from God. We, we put up a veil. The very veil that Jesus rent and have, we put it back up and we now got to go to our leaders for this, this is a feeling stain. We've got to wipe this feeling out of the mindset of the people. Yeah. You know what? But, and it's not, it's also not it, we talk about it from a feeling standpoint from, you know, from a Pentecostal side, but it's not all only just the Pentecostal persuasion in churches that rely on feelings. It's also people who are kind of more conservative and reserved in their, in their worship and in their, in their doctrine. But they all, they too also rely on feelings, what I think. And so that's why it is just that important guys to understand doctrine. The words that we have, if you all feel as though God was intentional about the words that were inspired and the interesting thing about these, these mean, these men being inspired. Yeah. The word is God breathe, but it was done in such a way to where even their personalities were. Yes sir. But it's what God wanted. It's what God wanted, but written in the style that Paul writes or written in the style that John writes or written in the style that Luke writes. It's just, it's really interesting. One of the things that you notice guys, you who are a verse to Hebrew and Greek, one of the first things you know when you start studying Greek and they'll tell you, you're going to avoid initially reading Luke and Acts. Why? Well, because Luke is more educated. And once you start reading Greek from Luke, it's a different Greek. It's a different, John is the easiest Greek. Well, John was the youngest of them. And so obviously he was not as trained. And so when you're reading what he's writing or what Peter's writing, it's different than Luke. It's like, wow, you can see a difference between Paul and the others. And so, but you see their personality come out. But if you believe that the words, these, the words that are there are intentional and the message is intentional, well, then you should want to get to the heart of the matter. You should want to find out, well, what does this word mean? What does it, what is the context saying? How was this happening? What was being spoken? How would the people in that day, how would they have understood what John is saying? What Jesus is saying? What Paul is saying? What Moses is saying? How would the people, when I gave you guys the little Old Testament timeline and then you started looking at, Jeremiah's prophesying to these people. Daniel's prophesying to people during the exile. You've got a Nahum's prophesying to the nations. To non-Jews, that matters. But because we're here in 2022 in the United States or some Western culture, we think that we got a firm grasp on this, that we understand what's happening and we don't. And so that's why it's not just relying on what you think is the Holy Spirit. Because sometimes let's say if you get it right one time, you get it right one time. You felt like the Lord led you to this. And let's say you were right. You know what that's like? Maybe you've seen this before. When somebody gambles and they go to Vegas, they win one time. They'll just swear that they know how to gamble or they bet on a football team and they win one time. Now they may lose the next 40 times, but all they remember is that one time, I know what I'm doing. Same thing with this, you think that you're relying on the Holy Spirit. Well, all believers have the Holy Spirit, but why don't all believers agree? Because we're not reading. We're not immersing ourselves. Like I said, we don't lack for devices. We don't lack for resources. We can, you can go online, anywhere and find out the Greek yourself or the Hebrew yourself or the context or the historical background, but we don't. We don't, we seem to be pretty lazy at that. Comprehension is very important. I learned that in grammar school. Comprehension. And they told us to read a paragraph and then tell us what does this paragraph say. And then they will tell me to put a title. They didn't, the paragraph, the story wasn't titled, but we had to title it. I'm so glad I went through that class as a preteen because it helped me understand the scriptures, how to put a title to something that seems to be all over the place. And I have a university that I do on Wednesday nights. I'm teaching the people the concept of O-I-C-A to observe the text, interpret the text, correlate the text, and then apply the text. These things are very important. That was not taught in our churches, unfortunately, because we were too busy dancing and singing and shouting and spitting and foaming and speaking in tongues when we're doing everything and we leave there and still biblically illiterate. So you mentioned the whole winning something that, Satan would love for us. He loved for us to win things so that we can taste that blood. That's why they got to put a dog down. When a dog bites you and tastes blood, they got to kill that dog, all right? Because the taste of blood, he might like that blood and he going after some more blood. And that's what's happening with us who are especially so-called babes in Christ. The casino will literally send a car or a truck or a bus to your house and pick you up, free of charge and stand. So you bring you to the casino, oh yeah. They bring you to the casino and feed you because the best food at the casino, by the way, that's what I know, all right? And feed you for free, all right? So that you can do this, all right? Yeah. And you keep doing that, no matter how much money you lose, you keep doing that. It is an endorphin that goes off when you do this one more time and ching, ching, ching, okay? Now you've lost $1,000, but you won 100. You are excited about the 100 that you won. The 1,000 that you lost, whatever, I won 100 and I'm gonna keep doing this like a person who took a drug for the first time and got it high and they spend the rest of their lives trying to search for that initial high, okay? Because that high feels good. And this is the church, unfortunately. This is the biblical illiterate is he's taught or she's taught to have a feeling, that first feeling that you felt, all right? When you walk in that church, they made you feel a certain way. It doesn't matter about not knowing what the scriptures say. They carried the Bible around. It was this all show, but all that music in that word makes me feel so good. Can you explain anything that was said? Well, I don't know. I could pick out a word here or whatever. That's not important. I've literally heard the saints say, that's not really that important. Y'all are studying too much. You're studying too much. They got the king of gripper spirit. Yeah. I think, you know, what would be helpful for some people because we got a gentleman in the chat who I guess he seems to think that you don't love the church of God in Christ. Oh, I see him. Yeah. And let me do that. I'm gonna go ahead and dress him, Mr. Lance. You're acting like a child. Here's why I'm saying that to you. I don't care if you get mad or whatever, but here's why. Do you think that the people who were falling in all over themselves and in love with the spirit who followed one of the first mega churches in America, Jim Jones, would they have listened to us? No, they would have listened to you because they had this, it wasn't a dead service. It was exciting. It was full of the spirit. And they found themselves, by and large, dead. Not spiritually, though they were, but also dead physically. Because you're the kind of person who thinks that when someone says, read the Bible and say it for yourself that that's a cuss word. No, you are acting and behaving foolishly. And you want everyone else to hear what you're saying, calling us liars and this and that or whatever. Well, you know what? Take that up with the scripture. And so you are, you are. Now I said that Walter is the worst church member. Worst? But you, sir Lance, I'm holding down your alley. You're the worst kind of Christian. Because you have a Bible and you act as though that the Bible doesn't need to be open. Just need to be touched. That you're gonna gain knowledge of it by us most just by touching it. By holding it. You probably have the biggest Bible in your family. That didn't mean anything. See, I was in church a guy in Christ and I heard sister Johnson and other folks just shaking and spinning. It's like, like Jeremiah, like fire shipping my bones. I just got to tell somebody, but none of them would actually go outside those four walls and share the gospel. Yeah. See, a lot of folks that go to some of these churches go there because someone, you know, because of a family member, but how many strangers show up because no one's out there sharing the gospel and witnessing. Well, that's a real move with the spirit. And we'll see that we ought to do that because of the Bible, the words in the Bible. But we've got this problem. And I'm gonna jump to this. I didn't wanna jump to this just yet. I wanted to hold on. I wanna, you know what? No, I'm gonna stay in line. When you deal with the leadership, folks who might, you know, in terms of cogent rank might be above you. How do you deal with them? Obviously they won't, they want you and everybody else named Jones. Anybody else with a J and their name gone. How do you deal with them? Sure. 2014, I think it was. The Church of God and Christ had the service that went viral. It was Andre Caldwell, who said, I'm not gaining no more. I likes women's, women's, women's. It was the Bishop Brandon Porter, who had the microphone. He had the power. But during the altar call, which should have not been filmed, all right, I don't believe in that. I think that is a private matter that should not be filmed. It was filmed and he passed the mic to Andre and that was the mic passed around the world because it's the mess we're in today. And that boy jumped around, did his little thing and then Brandon Porter gave him $100. He said, go, all right. He literally launched Andre Caldwell career that night. I turned on TV on two, three days later and all of the tonight shows, all of the late night comedy shows had the Church of God and Christ on blast for that little mess that night. So I did a video, which a lot of the people who are here now, we call the Bunker family, were introduced to Walter Jones or Sir Walter Jones by that one video where I was wearing a clear, I purposely put the clergy collar on, all right. And I put on my class A and I talked about that night and how I found it detestable or what happened. Bishop Brandon Porter saw the video and he immediately, he even inboxed me that night around midnight. He says, I need to talk to you. Now, Brandon Porter is on the general board. That's the higher upper echelon of the Church of God and Christ. You can't go no higher than that other than the presiding Bishop. He said, I wanna talk to you, young man. I gave him my phone number and I sat at this desk right here because I knew that I was in for a lashing. I was in for it, but I also knew my last name was Jones, you understand? And if you knew my father, my grandfather and my great-great-father, you knew that you don't come to me this any kind of way because they in me, okay? And he called and he was gracious at first. Then he went after me. He says, what you saw, not what you saw. And he started to, he started to tell me what was happening. And I had to stop him. I said, Bishop, I says, listen, you cannot be calling my house at 12 o'clock in midnight and trying to use some type of authority over me, right? I said, now I respect you as a Bishop, but you're gonna have to respect me as a man of God and as a content creator, all right? He said, oh, yeah, I saw your work. He says, I was impressed with your work, all right? I said, okay, appreciate it. He says, but here's what I told him. I told him not to film that portion. I told him, I says, but the blame is still on you, Bishop. I said, I cannot just stand back and let you say what you wanna do because right now what you can really do is go on an apology tour, all right? Because the media was calling all week. I said, you're gonna go on apology tour. I said, but let me tell you, my license, when I was ordained, said that I am now an ordained elder of the church. Your license says ordained elder of the church. Anything else that the church did for you to elevate you further, that's between you and the nomination, because as far as I'm concerned, we are coworkers in the gospel. We're on the same level. Your original license says the same thing that my original license say. So you can't be usurping that authority. And when we got towards the end of that conversation, we were laughing, we were joking with each other and we just loved them each other after that because he realized that I was the guy that was not gonna just take whatever he was gonna throw at me, all right? So my question, my answer to you is every leader of the church regarding Christ who ever came to me said they disagreed with anything that I said, I always say pull out your Bible. Pull it out. Now let's talk about this, all right? Let's look at this. I've done it from my pastor on down. Let's look at this. You're saying one thing, I'm saying another thing. How could we be worshiping together in leadership and believe we juxtapose each other when we walk in the church? And this is why Paul had to write First Corinthians in Galatians. He was rebuking his coworkers. He rebuked Peter in his face and then called out Barnabas name. How was it that we, he said, y'all saw Jesus being crucified. I wasn't there. Y'all saw him with your own two eyes. And now when these people come around you want to turn this thing. He said, I'm Johnny come lately. And here I am got to rebuke y'all. And this is what I see with the, those men who are older than me. I'm Johnny come lately. I'm in my mid fifties. Y'all are 70 and 80 years old. Y'all were at Azusa street. Y'all, y'all sat at the feet of C.H. Mason. How could you still believe this thing that we've come into the knowledge of the truth? How could you be still talking this way and then want to push this type of dynamic, this bad teaching on me? I'm not going to allow that. And you found somebody going to push up against you. And that's how I have to go. Now I don't call them out of their names. The scripture says, don't rebuke and nail the sharply. I don't do that. So if you're going to talk intelligent with me I'm going to talk intelligent with you as well. But when I get to talking to you you're going to know that I disagree with your theology. Somebody asked why, how is he the worst church member ever? Here's how, because the average church member be a church of God in Christ or church of Christ and was a God of wherever it is, the average church member goes along with whatever. Not necessarily questioning or thinking that these people, what did Paul say about the Brains? And we keep saying, we keep bringing this up about Brains but we don't act like we really jive with it. We don't go back and test the word for ourselves. And then if we do see that what they're saying is not correct, I'll just keep to myself. I'll be quiet about it. But I think that if you know better, you have an obligation. And so that's why I say he is the worst church member. He's the worst church of God in Christ member for sure and worst church member. He is an example. You ought to be the same way. I ought to, we all should be the same way that if we see something and it's not scriptural when we call it out. But sometimes though we feel like we are beholden and afraid sometimes of church leadership of those that are above us. Yeah, and what ends up happening though is not only do we not want to hold them accountable, we oftentimes think that leadership, there's no need to hold them accountable because they are almost impeccable which leads me to this other thing. When we talk about church leadership because church leadership will do some things incorrectly. It happens because they're human beings. And so I want to talk about what do you do when they do and then how should church leadership respond when they find out that they are also incorrect. And I want to use obviously it's being talked about now. I've talked about it, you talked about it. So we'll talk about it together. And that's the whole John MacArthur issue. And so before we go into it, what is your take on that? How do you see all of that? John MacArthur did a foolish act and he allowed it to happen in the church that in whom he passed it. You can't be pushed into blame on any of your elders or ministers. You are the bookstops with you since you are the pastor and how they dealt with Irene Gray and David Gray situation was something that many of us in Pentecostalism seen, all seen that all my life. A woman come to church for counsel because her husband is beating her or beating a child and the elder or the pastor would say, all right, we're going to pray for you but we're going to send you back home. The taboo of getting proper counsel, especially on something as the subject of mental illness is something that has hurt and damaged and killed many people in the church because they didn't believe in going outside counsel. And so the church was overly zealous over the scriptures of a husband and wife staying together that they literally put a wife into harm's way by sending her back home to be abused because they looked at the scripture and God says he want peace out of anything. When it comes to him, even marriages he's separation if separation gives peace, then separation needs to happen. You understand? We'll figure out all of the kinks and stuff like after that, but God is looking for peace. What McCarthy did was put that woman back into chaos, all right? And then try to cover this stuff up and then brought David into the ministry even though while he was still in prison he was part of the missions team or something like that. And then they tried to bail him out. And I mean, they were really on David great side. And then he tried to, he did a little sermon in 2001 or something like that and mentioned her name over the pulpit and just made her name, just drew a name in the mud. And I wasn't surprised at all with John McCarthy because I saw it all my life. Yeah, this kind of stuff does, it does happen. Because again, guys, when you are in leadership, I don't care if you are a deacon, if you're an elder, if you are the senior pastor, when you are in leadership, what happens sometimes is when people pat you on the back and they tell you how good the sermon was and they thank you for this, it can go to your head. Now, I say this, thankfully for me, God, you know how Paul had a thorn in the flesh. Well, God gave me something worse. God gave me a sentence. I'm gonna sit you down for a little bit. You've seen people get sit down before. Well, God, it's one thing when the church sits you down, it's another thing when God sits you down. And so I was humbled. And my being humble was really humiliation, which is a cousin of humble. Absolutely. And so the humiliation, it's better for me going forward, knowing what I've gone through. And I don't think a lot of these pastors haven't had that. That's why you see a lot of these pastors end up falling because when they pat you on the back, it is easy for it to go to your head to get puffed up, to feel like you're something. And what happens is you feel like your word one should be followed. How dare you question what I'm saying? And then if you do, do you know who you're talking to? But you also may even feel like that obviously because of who you are, and you've had a track record that you're right in what you're saying. And in this issue, in this instance, there's no doubt about it that you were wrong. I mean, the pastors has demonstrated that you were wrong. And it's incumbent upon you to let everybody know because you're a public figure and it's out there that you need to say, hey, I messed up on that one. Well, I don't know what we were thinking. Hopefully, you do things differently. But here's the thing. And I saw someone do a video today, and again, they quoted Matthew 18. But Matthew 18 is when you have a problem with someone, personally, you take that person through the steps and hopefully the steps will be to go before the church, which is just what she did. However, when she did that, they didn't deal with him like the unbeliever. They dealt with her. As the unbeliever. As the unbeliever. And so the state of California did her one better than the church. That should never happen. It should never happen that the church protects the sheep better than the shepherd. It may happen from time to time. And if it does, then we are supposed to be humble enough to say, you know what, we were wrong. She deserves an apology. Her children, the church, and anyone else who was still there who hadn't been trained properly, hey, this is what we're gonna do going forward. If you haven't learned your lesson. And so that leads to that we've got this idle worship. I've seen, in the church of God and Christ, I've seen people worship bishops. I've seen, even if it's not the church of God and Christ, it's a local body. I've seen people worship that local pastor. Even it's a smaller church. I've seen prophets and apostles who've got four members. I'm the apostle, I'm the apostle of the prophet, I'm a bishop and I got four or five members. And I've seen that person get worshiped. And I've seen big, renowned leaders like the McCarthy's of the world be worshiped by other people. And you think the good that he's done and you make it into something even more. And now that's your God. You can't bring yourself to say anything negative about that person. But you can say something negative about Peter or Paul. Yeah, Paul was wrong here. Peter was wrong there. John was wrong there. But this pastor over here, he can't be wrong. That doesn't even sound right. Yeah, you really dig in deeper into my denomination. Because if you speak anything negative about C.H. Mason, they're gonna want to kill you, brother. Yeah, is there a picture of him in the church? In the church and what church? Do you have a picture of C.H. Mason in your church? Oh no, no, not in my church, no. Okay, you know, almost every, not every, but most church of God in Christ that I was going, when I was going to them, there was a picture of Bishop Mason. Like, wow, okay. Yeah, not anymore. Not anymore. A lot of that was in the South especially. But no, but you still can't say his name. Go to Memphis to the church of God in Christ. When I was coming up in the 60s, 70s, he was literally worshiped to when you, I remember first walking into Mason Temple, those of you who don't know Mason Temple, that is our headquarters and that is the last place where Martin Luther King gave his last speech. The mountaintop speech was done there before he was assassinated the next morning. But you had to walk in the front door and walk by a tomb. And when I first walked in there, I said to my brother, what's this? My brother said, that's Bishop Mason. And I said, you lying. Nah, I was 16 maybe. I said, you lying. He said, yeah, that's Bishop Mason. I said, in the church? He said, well, it's not in the church. I said, once you pass, once you open the doors of the church, anything past these doors is in the church. I don't care if it's in the vestibule, if it's in the bathroom, it's still in the church. There's a dead man in the church. That's when I realized they are literally worshiping this man, literally. Anything you might say negative or criticize, anything he's done, they're coming after you, brother. And they will blackball you. That's when I realized that the church of God in Christ needed some serious reform. Now, a lot of that has gotten a little better. They removed his body from that location. But still a lot of the children of the baby boomers are still teaching that whole thing. They are worshiping the denomination. So when people ask me what's your denomination, I usually don't tell them. I don't tell them, I just tell them I'm saved. I'm everything. I'm Armenian, I'm Calvin, I'm Kojik, I'm Baptist, I'm Lutheran. I'm all this, I'm everything. I said I'm all this, which means I'm none of this. I'm none of this. I am a stricter of I'm of the body of Christ. I just so happened to worship in a church who is affiliated with the church of God in Christ. I love them. That's why I'm still there. But I criticize them like you would your family if your family kept acting up. You're not going to just, everybody not going to just up and leave their family because they're family acting up. No, you're going to take your belt off and you're going to do some discipline, understand? And that's what I do sometimes. I take my belt off and I do some discipline in the church and so that they can see. So I don't just do a whole lot of beating. What I do though, was when we got in trouble at home, my father didn't just beat us. He sat down and talked with us and said, here is the proper way. Here is the law of my house, all right? Here's the way to survive on the streets of Chicago. Here's how you do this, here's how you do this, all right? That's how my father, he raised us to do that. And if we messed up, yeah, he beat us but he was doing a lot of training. That's what I do in the church of God in Christ. Every now and then I'll take my belt off and beat. But most of the time I'm saying, now here is the proper interpretation of the scripture. And this is why I do my universities on Zoom on Wednesdays. It's mostly the church of God in Christ, all right? My church, and then many of my followers here, they join in and we open up the scriptures, go to the beginning and say now, this is what you guys been getting wrong, all right? So here's my chance to fix this, help you fix this. No belt, I do not take my belt off at the university. I just teach, I just teach. Now on my show, yeah, it might be some beating, okay? But I'm still in struggle because you do a lot of beating on your show. You did it today. You know what, never mind, I was gonna say something, never mind, I was gonna say something. Let me ask you this question. I asked this before on another live stream and so I wanna ask you this question. When I see a lot of this foolishness, I'm not speaking about the church of God in Christ, but I'm speaking just globally, but more particularly here in America and in Western culture, you know what, no, globally. Let me say globally as well because it's not just here in America. But when you see some of these real life, honest of goodness wolves, these real devils, these folks who are abusing and twisting and distorting the gospel for their own. When you survey the landscape and you look at the people in the churches, they tend to be black Hispanic people of color as well as women. Why do you think that is? Sure, it's a great question. Peter Popoff and many of these white evangelicals was always on our TV around 10, 11, 12 o'clock at nighttime blowing on folks and screaming. And when they would pan the camera, you would see a house full of black folks and most were women. Why? A pimp. How do I say this on your show? Hold on, no, no, no, let me put the camera on you. How do I say this on your show? A pimp know his employees, all right? And they feel that pimping ain't easy, but pimping is necessary. That's what the pimps say. He said it to me. Pimping ain't easy, but it's necessary. Gotta make a living. Pimp is trained on how a woman's heart beat. What she like and what she don't like. He has studied her from head to toe and the preacher got jealous. And many of the pimps became the preacher. He didn't change because he became a preacher. He just felt that it was quite lucrative, you know, to do this in the church because the church already is gullible. That's why I believe that the antichrist is gonna just walk in. He not gonna knock your door down, all right? He's not gonna shoot it down. He gonna walk in because you have opened the door for him. He's just waiting on that wonderful invitation, all right? RSVP, Mr. Antichrist, come on in because we sure need you now. And he gonna say, oh, I've been waiting for this. He's gonna come on in. That's how these preachers did for the church. They looked and saw the gullible-ness. That's why the average thug on the street say, I want me a church girl. I want me a church girl. All my life, that's all I heard from all my secular friends. Man, I want me a church girl. Why? He sees her as the most gullible thing on the earth. And that's why we see, especially if they are color, okay? All right? It depends on your section or where you worship. And so it's easy. They're easy. Earth girls are easy. There was a movie called Earth Girls Are Easy. Well, church girls are easy. Now, saying that blanket statement is offensive to your audience and maybe some of my audience. But if that's you fit, trust me, you used to be that easy church girl, some of you who are in the comment section right now, you was one of them. That's why many of you testified about this Negro right here and in the Negro before that one. In the Negro before that one. Okay, why? Because you was that easy girl who that predator came up to you and he bit into you, tasted of your fruit. All right? And then you went running into the arms of another predator. You understand? And this is the story. Here's a story, okay? And this is the story, all right? And so we see this, we've been seeing this all the time. And so my job is when I beat and then instruct because the scripture says, do the work of an evangelist. He didn't just say instruct. He said, reprove and rebuke. That's the part we're not doing today. We're afraid to do the rebuke because we're afraid to lose somebody. And if we lose somebody, we're going to lose their tithe and their offering. So now the messages are no more on fire or brimstone or hell or rebuke or what have you or chastising, not then all your sermon's got to be that. But it's none of that now. We went to the other extreme. Now it's prosperity. This is your time. This is your season. I decree and I declare in on and on and on, okay? And that wins the hearts of damsel arise. Yeah. If you get, and really, truth be told, I've seen, and some of you guys have seen as well, when someone feels like they just want just something, just want to feel good and they're looking for some relief and then someone tells them they pushed that on them because always it's amazing how you see a lot of middle class and lower middle class, particularly in poor people in these that are flocking to these prosperity ministries because they want to hear someone, what did Paul say? The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but there will be people there that will say something to tickle your ears and you'll want to hear that and you'll latch onto that because man, I just need some relief. I want somebody to tell me what I'll tell me some of that good old stuff to make me feel good. And so we get that at church. And that's why you see it, I think taking the real route in Africa, in places where there's just a desire for something, give me anything. And like using the analogy of a woman, let's just be honest, it doesn't matter the race, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, whatever, we have seen women who have been messed over and now they're just looking for any old thing. Just somebody to love me, even just for a moment. And we do the same thing in church, just somebody to let me know that I'm all right and guys out just for a moment and that guy is gonna bless me. Even if it's a lie, just make the lie sound good. You know, put some harmony behind the lie, put some organ behind the lie. I'm good. Come on, man. And so we see that oftentimes in our, in these different communities, you see the poor communities, you see it in communities of color, black, white, I mean, black, Hispanic and with women. And it's not like, you know, or a racial thing or whatever, but it just happens to be what it is. And so it's not up to them, it's not up to the wolves to stop biting. It's up to us to fend off the wolves. It's up to us, cause we've got our actual weapon. We have a legitimate actual weapon. And as you say, we refuse to open it. Bibles everywhere. What is it about? What does it say? It's about how many Bibles is it per person? I heard it the other day, but more than enough for you to cover yourself, but you can bathe in the scriptures, but we don't. Stella wants her groove back. I'ma say it again. Stella wants her groove back. Okay. I know what you mean, but what do you mean? After a while, you see these women go through a cycle, a repetitive cycle. We seem, we see it, but we don't see it. And they don't mean we don't want to see it. And we see it within ourselves. They are attracted to the same kind of man. They attracted to the same kind of church. You understand? That recycle. Stella wants her groove back. She lost it, she wants it back. So she traveled to Jamaica to get it. My grandchild who don't really like to be in the arms of everybody. He choose who he want, all right? He fell down and hit his head one day in a room for the people. He cried. And he didn't care who picked him up at that time. He was in pain. Yeah. You understand? Yeah. And so. That's good. The next person picked him up and rocked him. And he was in loving, he was loving it because he was in pain. This is what I've been seeing with a lot of the women who are in pain. Who's ever first step to the plate because I'm crying and I need somebody to rock me. And that man is looking on the sideline and saying, hmm, yeah, I got you girl, I'll be your king. And this is why lately you've been hearing women calling men kings. And they are queens all of a sudden. Every few years you will start hearing certain catchphrases from the women who create this. Men, they create their own little thing, but women especially will create these things and men get the false suit to it. Or he uses it as a, like a, when you go to get a car, they call it predatory lending, okay? They see you coming. And you may, they may offer you that car with no money down, but you're gonna leave that with a 26% interest rate. Yeah, and feel good about it. And stand and feel great about it and testify in church about, I got this new car with no money down. You miss a payment. The repo man is coming. This is our religiosity. This is what I see, what happens when we come into this church. You know, we come in there and we get all the feelings, nothing more than feelings, okay? And then 20% interest rate. We're leaving there. Just broker, we're going there with something, but we're coming out broker than when we went in. And you don't see it because there's a perceived value that you're getting, but it is an illusory perception of what it is. It looks like it, but really that's not what it is. These are old man and sheep clothing. Yeah. Now, what's fascinating, what's interesting is how, for some reasons, it's caught on. This desire to be, you know, have our hearts tickled and ears tickled and just be caressed. So now it's not just people who are going through something. Now everybody wants to be something special and nobody wants to read their Bible. And so now we can sit and go over a scripture. It's like, well, wait a second, how can this possibly be? I'm looking at this, but what I've noticed, and now I want to kind of shift real quick, I guess there's no real easy way to pivot a easy segue. And so I want to kind of deal with how you deal with bad doctrine, right? When someone comes to you and is like, wait a second, this is clear and evident. What the scriptures are saying, but you can't see it. How do you deal with those people who maybe, you know, they refuse to see it, or maybe they can't see it. When you're trying to, how do you stress to someone the importance of doctrine first? Let's go there first. How do you stress to someone the importance of doctrine? Absolutely. Yeah, I try, I do my best to attempt to try to give them this doctrine on something that is tangible, that is palatable more so. You know, I bring some sugar in the room. If you ever watch my show, I pull out the piano. You've been there, you've seen my shows. I pull out the piano, I sing a hymn on all my shows, well, most of them, sugar, all right? No matter how controversial the topic is getting ready to be, they don't know what I'm getting ready to say. And most times I don't know what I'm getting ready to say, but I do know I got to say something, and I got to do it by any means necessary. So I play the piano for about one minute, sang a nice hymn, oh, everybody loves a good song. And sometimes my songs are secular too. Everybody likes a nice love song, mm-hmm. And I get them all over, and now I have a captive audience, and then I say, we're getting ready to talk about songs, so stay tuned. I play my opening, I come back, everybody in the room is the most important person. I call everybody as many people as I can, I call their names, you've been there, you've seen me. And then I pull my belt off. I pull the belt off. This is gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. You're gonna feel this, but what it's gonna do is, it's gonna at least make you feel like, man, I'm here now, I like this guy, I don't like what he's saying, but there's something about the spirit behind what he's saying that I need to listen. And I have people in the comments section going, like the brother that you mentioned earlier about Koji, going after me hard, going after me hard, going after me hard. You're not gonna win everybody, as you know that. And some people, I don't give them the time day because my pearls are too expensive, understand? And tossing them, Jesus says that when you toss them to the swine, the swine will trample on the pearls and then turn around and trample on you. And they're trying to set you up. So when I see these men and women in Ecclesia and upper echelon men in church who teaching a bad gospel, okay, really bad, I currently call them to the side, not openly, not in front of everybody, try not to embarrass folks. Bring them on the side like my brother does me. My brother, Rodney Jones was on my show last night. And he used to hear me preach over the pulpit and he knew that that one scripture that I brought up was the improper interpretation, but he never embarrassed me. He's after church, he'll say, well, come by the house right quick, I wanna make some coffee, all right? He brought me, I can't buy the house. He made the coffee, we sat at the table and he would take the Bible. He said, read this right quick and he want me to read what I had just preached and I would read it. And then he would give me the Greek, he would pull out a interlinear, he'll pull out a strong's concordance, all right? He said, now read that in the strong and I would read it and I'd be like, oh my God, oh no. He said, no, it's cool, I just want you to know. So how was your day, brother? Okay, so now it leaves me something. Now that's a question. So with you, what are the doctrines that people that you tend to find yourself going over the most that people are in error about? Tides is number one. Tides, okay. Tongues is number two. Yeah, you church guy, you're gonna have them. Okay, so your view on tongues is what? I already know, but so the others know. Well, my view on tongues is unfortunately, if you're going to operate in it, because I am not dogmatic on the ceasing of all tongues. I'm not. I will say this though, tongues in America, doubt it. Yeah. Very doubtful. Why? Why? Why? Because everybody in America have an opportunity to understand everybody in America. Yeah. I lived among the Spanish. I learned Spanish with few words, they learned English a few words. We both were speaking in tongues. Okay, we both speaking in tongues. What we've done was we have overly romanticized the gift of tongues and you know it's fake because people are repeating what their grandmama say in her prayer time or at the church. You mean tell me my tongues sound like his tongues and her tongues? Yeah, they all sound alike. They all sound like, and nobody know what you're saying. Yeah. All right, I can imagine Jesus in heaven scratching, and you say, well, I don't recognize these tongues. Okay, all right. So if I am a believer that tongues is operating in America, then the problem is first Corinthians chapter 14 with the abuse of tongues, the abuse because everybody's speaking in a public place and the scriptures is vehemently tells you that tongues is for the unbeliever. And when they hear the tongues, then a reaction happens, the unbeliever. What's happening here in our churches that everybody is, Paul had the same problem that we're having today with tongues is that they're coveting that gift so much that everybody's doing it. And what they do is they'll use it while they're even praying over you and it puts them on a higher spiritual plane. All right, they are the authority of what they're doing because tongues causes people to say, that that must be God. All right, so tongues and then using King James vernacular says, oh, that have to be God. Notice the average prophet, when he starts prophesying, he'll either use tongues and then he'll start using King James vernacular. That means that must be God. Yeah. You understand? That must be God. And he know that we're gullible to this because we come up under that sound. There's a sound of manipulation, a sound of manipulation. April is telling me to go ahead and bust out of a few syllables. I'm gonna bust out a few syllables in tongues for this reason, because you and I, we're right here. And I think people are missing what tongues are. It's a language. And there's a purpose, there's a distinct purpose for the language. And so, you know what? Fine, April, you made me do it. I'm gonna go ahead and bust out some tongues up in here. Let me go to first Corinthians. And so you folks over on, you bunker people, what do y'all call them? That's the bunker family. Come on, man. So y'all know that we on the same page over here. Come on with your glasalelia. I don't know where I was going now. Oh, I'm sorry, first Corinthians. And I was sharing this with someone because I said this to one person, I'm not gonna say his name, on YouTube, very famous person who believes in these tongues having ceased. And I said, I'm not so sure about that. I'm like you, I'm not dogmatic. Here's why, because is there somebody on the planet who doesn't know the language that we speak, who hadn't heard the guy? I know there's a small, there's like this little island somewhere with people that we just know of them and leave them alone, but we don't speak their language. Well, if God wants to send someone to give them the gospel, they gotta, somebody has to speak their language. But since tongues are a language and there's a purpose for it, and you said rightly that it is for the unbeliever. Well, then what was Paul talking about? Let's go on and go to Bible, y'all. In first Corinthians, where I gotta speak some tongues on it. Paul says, pursue love. He says, the okate tene agape, which is, I'm speaking tongues now, y'all. He says pursue love and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts. Now what he says is what right here is numitika, which is the spiritual things, earnestly desire the spiritual gains. Now you can say tongues if you want to, but the actual word is numitika. Now, there's this phrase right here that tells us what tongues are for. It's malandehina prathuete. He reiterates this exact same phrase, malandehina prathuete, down here in verse five. Verse five says, now I want you all to speak in these languages or tongues as a plural, but even more to prophesy. What in the world does that mean? What it means, and here's the tongue. Notice what he says, malandehina prathuete. Prophecy has two connotations. It has a foretelling connotation and a forthtelling. So if Paul says, I rather you do it, or is he saying, I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to tell the future? No, let's go back to what Jesus said when he first let them know that they're gonna have the Holy Spirit in them. What the Holy Spirit is gonna do. In John 14, the Holy Spirit will come in them and he is going to testify of who? Of gifts to come, of fame and fortune, of money, no, he is going to testify of Jesus. And so what happens in Acts one, Jesus says that you're gonna receive the Holy Spirit and you're gonna do what? Be my witnesses. Isn't that what you said in John? It is. To who? Who you gonna be my witnesses to? You'll be my witnesses to the Jews in Jerusalem and Judea, to the Samaritans, and then to the rest of the world. Well, once you're in Jerusalem and in Judea, we pretty much speak the same language. But once we get to the rest of the world, they all don't speak the same language. So how's that go? How are we gonna fix that God? That's on you. Well, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna give you the ability to speak in these languages. And so Paul says I desire for you or desire to preach because that's the other way for prophecy to be told. The other way that it's meant foretelling and forthtelling, forthtelling guys is just preaching the word. Give them the gospel, give them the word. And so he says, go back to it. He says, I want you to, in verse five, all to speak in these, the plural, low-sized, which is languages, but even more to prophecy. This is where the Greek helps out. This Milan, the hint of the prophecy, which is, but rather or in order that you preach. So he says, Fela de Pontes, who makes the lane, which is I desire that all of you, how could he desire that all of us do this when he says all of us don't speak in tongues? Well, he's speaking languages. I rather you speak in these different languages in order that you preach. That's his point. Milan, the hint of prophecy, in order that you preach. What's the goal of every single person? Paul says, fulfill your ministry as an evangelist. That's where, whatever your gift is, whatever your spiritual blessing is, however God is gifted you, it is to do what? To share the gospel, to edify the body. Not to, Paul has just said in chapter 12, verse seven and he says it three times in chapter 14 that we ought to edify the body, desire the gifts that built up the body. But he contrasts that with you all speaking this singular gibberish, because all you're doing is building up yourself. And so when I say that I don't think that all the gifts have, that I put up asterisk like you on these gifts, I believe that there's a possibility. If they aren't, fine, if they are, we've got the book to hold folks accountable. So if you go speak in Iqanaba Hoshala, however you hear it, Hey! Wait a second, that ain't, yeah. I got to, I got to. I felt that man. I felt it. You felt that, did you feel the spirit right there? I felt that in my chandelier, man. And so if a person goes and doing that, we've got the scriptures. Cause Paul said, whatever measure of these spiritual gifts you've been given, whatever has been given to you, then go and use it. If you've got the ability to heal, get to healing. You ain't got to clear the hospitals out, but if you got the gift of healing, somebody should have got healed. If you got the gift of knowledge and the teeth and the teeth of somebody, whatever it is you're gifting, it's for the benefit of the body, not for you, but you've been training this new selfish Christianity, which isn't Christianity at all. It's all about you. It's all about me getting blessed. It's all about me going to my prayer closet and being edified by the Lord. Where did that ever happen? Name the one time that a spiritual gift has ever been used to edify yourself. Show me the scriptures. Well, what about praying? Praying is not a spiritual gift, that's you. We know what these gifts are. Now, is it good to pray? Sure. Should you pray for yourself? Sure. But the whole point of what we've been given is to give to others. If it's for yourself, God can just take you out of here and just eat. We don't need you anymore. Because Jesus says, if salt loses its season and saltiness, then what is it? He said it's good for nothing. You're good for nothing. You're for nothing. And so whatever you're doing doesn't cause someone else to know Christ either for the first time or more intimately, you're no good. Man, you heavy, man. This is just a corey-minded show. It's just this. I got to take down my belt. I'm confused. It's like I'm watching my own show. Man, the Bunker family's going crazy on my end. They're like, who is this man, the God? You know what, and I'm not even looking over here, but I see it over here. OK, because the truth is the truth. Whether it's on Sir Walter Jones' channel, whether it's on the Smart Christian channel. Oh, by the way, guys, let me just say this, guys. When you hear the term Smart Christian channel, it's not saying that I'm the Smart Christian. That's not what I'm saying. It is that we all are smart or to be smart. That's why the logo says, be smart. Think. Absolutely. And so if you are a subscriber or you didn't pay for the lifetime membership on the Sir Walter Jones channel, then you are a Smart Christian, right? I see April, and if you're on April's broadcast, you're a Smart Christian, right? And so that's how this whole thing work. If you are with Keith, you are a Smart Christian. Did I see Alton in here? Listen, if you are discerning, if you're with Dinah, you are a Smart Christian. And that doesn't mean that you know it all, but you're trying to know as much as you possibly can. That's the whole point, guys. And you get mad at us for saying, wait a second. Wait a second. Are you sure this is what this word says? I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. If you've got a problem with me going to the scriptures and disagreeing with you, go on, kick rocks. I'm through with you. Because my wife and I had this conversation. We had this conversation the other day. I'm so in faith, hoping love it. Another good brother. I see Seiko, another good brother. Now listen, let's be, hey, Seiko, this is what we said about you. You strain your glasses when you miss your Seiko. Yeah, because I got to listen. When you talk about Seiko, you got to brace yourself, right? You got to get ready. You got to hold on, hold on to your life. Listen, Seiko might, Seiko on them trucks. He might be at your, I'm not going to. No, Seiko, I didn't mean that brother. Listen. Seiko, you got him first, boy. Oh, man. Listen, that's my man. But listen, you got, you got believers who, Seiko's going to hit you with it. Now, I might hit you a little softer. Seiko might hit you in the gut and say what? But the point is, if you are going through the scriptures and we can't open the scripture up and you got a problem with that, I question your, well, I question maturity, but then I also got to, at some point in time, if that's where you want to stay, I question if you are a believer. Not everyone who says Lord, Lord is actually a believer. And so it makes me want to, so my wife and I had a conversation and I said this to the other people that I'm pulling back on more and more folks coming on and talking. Because I'm, you know what? Fine, if you're not going to get it, fine, fine. Jesus did in about 1,000. He could have, but he didn't. So I know I'm not. I know I'm not. And so if I'm telling you that your salvation is this, this, and this, and you disagree and I've gone through the scriptures and you're like, no, this guy, like I got one young, young fellow, he's made, this is the fourth video about me on Once They've Always Saved. All right, fine. Hey, did you see his video? You know what? He can stay over there. Fine, fine. We'll see you in the end. But, and so what I appreciate about you, how I've been taught and with Seiko and a lot of these other folks that I'm talking about, if you cannot go through the scriptures, we ain't got much to talk about. Come on, man. If we ain't gonna, as we say, book chapter and verse, if we can't go through this, cut it, we can't talk because we are literally on two different planes. I'm over here in the Bible, you're over here in feelings. I'm over here in scriptures, you over here scratching your head and upset pouting. All right, fine. Go to Facebook and make a post or do a video. They got, there's over, I think it's either 50 or 60 videos about me. Okay, fine. Make some more, make 40 more. I don't care, but if I ask you a question, you can answer with the scriptures. Oh, he just wanna rely on the Greek. Shut up. You know what just did? I'm gonna tell you like your granddad told you, since I'm a grandpa, now I can say, shut up. In Jesus' name, shut up. Be quiet, be quiet. You, so, you know what? You done brought it out of me, Walter. You done, you done got me fired up. I'm a proud papa. I'm proud. So, you said also, what was the other one you said? You said, you said tongue and something else you said? Tithing. Oh, you said, you said tithing you said king James version. What else? I said, Tithing, tongues, king James. Well, king James, yeah. Oh, look, look, look, look, look at this. I take my model. Look. Lord have mercy. Oh, so your view on tithing is what? Well, it's the conjunction, the but. You mentioned in your little, your Jesus moment in the temple with the folks just a few minutes ago, you mentioned the tongues. And he said, I prefer that you would foretell through prophecy, the word prophecy in Greek, which is something I often bring up on my show. Knows the word but though, but says something. It's a comparison of what I just said, but I'm getting ready to bring a new light to what I'm getting ready to say. So Jesus said, you pay a tide in cumin and sugar and spices and oils and what have you. After that, he said, but you are forgetting a way to your matter and he mentioned justice and faithfulness, okay? And mercy, those three. The average tide payer likes to go there to say, see Jesus spoke on tithe. Because he mentioned the word. Because he mentioned the word. You didn't hear the but. Yeah. Forget the conjunction. You learned that in schoolhouse rock and you failed that conjunction, junction. What's your function? Yeah. You learned that, but you said, forget that. The problem with the tithing situation is the law of tithing. Everybody goes to Malachi chapter three. But Malachi chapter three, don't tell us how to tithe. Understand? It don't tell us how. Malachi chapter three is do it or you're gonna be cursed. So the average person who teaches tithe at any church almost, they always go there, but they never go to the how we even do this. And when you find out how they did it, you back up under the law. What your sermon last week was, we're not up under the law, we're up on the grace. So the teaching of tithing today is a bipolar teaching. It's bipolar because it's impossible. You can't do it by the standards of the scriptures today because there is no temple and you ain't no Levites in your church and no priest at your church, you understand? All these things you just can't do. So if you're going to support the church, support it with your finances, just do it. Tithing came along financially, the money part came along in the late 1800s, but the average person, average, very famous preacher like Wigglesworth and Wyclef and John, this other guy and D.L. Moody and everybody you can think of who y'all studied up under in theology school, they were totally against tithing, totally against it. How did it creep in? Well, they crept in because we borrowed from the buildings of the cathedrals, they decided to change the content from food to money to build up their churches. It's a really bad teaching. And so people say, okay, we're not tithing under the law. We're not, we're tithing based off of Abraham. Abraham gave a tithe to attempt to Melchizedek. Okay, fine. Then I tell him, you can't even tithe that way. Yeah, we do, we don't tithe the law. We can tithe that way. I said, let me tell you, let me ask you a question. Where did that money come from if this is so-called money? Well, was it money? I said, yeah, there you go, it wasn't money. It was a spoil, the booty of war, all right? So he fought a war and he took the booty of war and then he gave a 10th of that to Melchizedek. He didn't earn from his job, okay? He got from spoil. Is that how you tithe through your spoil? You went to somebody's house and had a fight and then you took all their stuff and then you gave 10th a part of it to God. That's how you, if you translate that dispensation to dispensation, that's how it is. And then number two, he didn't even keep the 90. He gave the 90% away to the king of Sodom. So that's why I say it's impossible to even tithe by Abraham's standard because he didn't keep none of it. Yeah, he got the spoil, he gave 10 to Melchizedek and the 90% he gave away to a pagan king. He says, I don't want none of it. So is that how y'all tithe it? You can't be. My, I've always asked, okay, because when we say that that was given under the law and someone says, well, Abraham gave a tithe where Abraham, there was no, what was the law that told Abraham to give? He did it. There was no, we didn't see a command and then what's the purpose of this 10th? What's the purpose of it? And I get, you know, whether it's money, whether it's booty, whether it's foils or produce, what have you, where is the command to give now or what Gentile was ever told to give 10%? Well, there is none. And someone says, well, if we don't have tithe, well, then how will the church take care of itself? Well, first of all, and you ask your, you just find your friendly neighborhood pastor and ask him, do people in the church give a tithe? Do they give a 10th of their income? They'll tell you, you know, the average parishioner in America gives what is like 2.3 or 3% of their income. And so people aren't paying tithes anyway. Anyway. But I know this, some of you folks who believe in the Lord providing and the spirit and the Lord taking care, he's gonna bless the ministry that he wants to bless. How about that? He is, if you're doing what you're supposed to, because guys, guess what? Most churches, if not all so far, they end up failing, they cease to exist. How do I know? Where's the church of Ephesus? The church that Paul wrote to, where are they? Churches tend to run their course. Why? Because I don't know, some man comes and messes that up. But God is gonna take care of his church. He's gonna do that. And if you're doing what you're supposed to do, well, then God's gonna bless it. Now, if you're not doing what you're supposed to do, well, then their father's gonna bless them. Because I'm a firm believer, just as God is moving, so too is Satan. He's got some folks that got some long, deep pockets who will bless some of these heretical movements. That's fine, that's on them, that's on them. But you give. And if you give as, now, when we talk about how we're supposed to give, as he's given us, then you're probably gonna give more than 10% anyway. But if giving cheerfully is at 4.5%, then give 4.5%. If giving 4.6% or 7% causes you to frown, keep your money. God doesn't need it. That's good. But just give. And then see, because some of you guys are paying ties, and let's just be clear and be honest, some of you guys are paying ties just so you can brag about, I paid my ties and offered. Oh, I don't care. Many of them are, Dan. You ain't witnessed one person yet, but you didn't pay 23.4% of your income and no one has gotten saved because of your mouth or your actions. Okay. And tithing, I'm glad you mentioned that because tithing is not 10%. Tithing equals about 23% in the scriptures, first of all. So anybody who say that you're robbing God, they robbing God if they only paying 10. That's number one. All right. Number two, the average person who borrow money from me is a tithe payer. Because when they ask me for money, I automatically say, do you pay ties at your church? Well, yeah. Then I should be borrowing money from you. You understand? That's number two. Number three, when I lived in South Dakota, it was hard to find any of the churches there that were paying ties. Hold on, wait a second, wait a second. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Live in South Dakota. Yeah, I lived there for about four years. Oh, you're in arm or something? Everybody asked me, well, you're in the army. Yeah, I'm not trying to be all racial, but I know you're stuck out. So what were you doing in South Dakota? Shit. It was the only black church in town. Well, all three of you. I was there because of one of our sister churches. Y'all, one of our sister churches set up a church down there. So I went down there to help that church. Okay. Pretty much. Only black church, only black church in that whole town. And the Lutheran, the Presbyterian and the other churches, they didn't tie and those churches were debt-free. They owned their churches. They didn't need to tie. If you tell the people the truth, they will give, not just give, we'll give more. If you tell them the truth, all right? Because that building, they feel that that's their asset too. We helped build this, so we want to take care of it. The manipulation of tithing is, it's just damnable. And we have raised up a lot of poor people. So these people who go after me in the comments section about tithing, you cannot trace your return on your investment in tithing. You can't trace it. Corey, you can't trace it. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? Whatever money you're getting in, you don't know if that came from tithing or if you usually can trace that money because it came from you working, somebody owed you some money, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you cannot find out if what you did came from you tithing. You can't trace it, all right? You can't. But back then they could because it was food. You can trace that. You can trace that you gave a tenth of your food to the Levites and the priests and it fed them. You knew where it was going and then God blessed you. Now you cannot. So if you gave, a woman testified to me, she said she gave $20,000, all right? Over a year or two, $20,000. And she went to the church for help and they closed the doors on her. And she was barely making it. She's barely making it. And I'm like, your testimony is a testimony I hear a lot from tithe payers who give all this money and then they get excited. It's the casino effect. The casino effect is I lost a thousand, but I won a hundred. So I'm going to testify on that a hundred that I got that I won. Tithing is the same way. I gave the church 20,000, but a $300 unexpected check came in the mail. So I'm going to tie up the whole service by testifying about a $300 check. We're going to shout and jump and get excited and it's going to win more people to the tithing lie. You understand? That's the mental manipulation that I see in our churches. Yeah. Isn't it fascinating and funny and really sad that the people who are supposed to have a lot of faith, the pastors, the leaders don't have enough faith to think that God is going to take care of them. And so they do every sort of trick and bit of chicanery to get people to give, because they are... We brought in this amount last week. We got to make sure we get it next week. And oh, it dipped a little bit. And so what are we going to do? And so we'll have these different campaigns. We'll talk about, you know, we'll almost... We'll guilt people into giving. Now, listen, I believe that we ought to give. I believe, though, where you ought to give is where they deserve to be given, too, if that makes any sense. See, I'm not going to shop at this grocery store when every time I go there, the lettuce is brown, the bread is hard, you're out of everything. You know, I got bad service, all of stuff like that. I can't find a shopping cart with all four wheels that actually move, so I don't want to go there. But I go to this shop, this store, and everything is right where I want it. Everything is fresh. And so I don't mind giving money to this grocery store because they are offering a service. They're giving me what I need. They're doing what they're supposed to be doing. Same thing with the church. I'm giving you all this money, and it's the same 37 people in this church for the last year and a half. Why? I'm giving money to this church, and nobody, there's no baptism, nobody got saved, nobody, nobody has to find about what the Lord is doing. Why am I, you know, I'll tell you what, keep that money that I gave y'all. I'm going over here to this other church where y'all say it's dead. I'm going over here because I see people are coming in, people are growing, they're teaching people, they're out there in the streets. What have you? And so God is gonna provide for his people. He's gonna provide for his body. And if you had a church and the tithing has gone down, if your giving has gone down, way man, how about that? Amen, maybe God is judging you. Maybe God is saying you haven't handled the money in the first place, but he also may be trying to see if you are going to be faithful because you're gonna be ups and downs, he hasn't closed with the money. And so if the money drops a little bit, are you gonna resort to being unfaithful and try other means to get money in? Are you gonna be faithful? Are you gonna work with what you got? Because what's gonna happen, guys? We keep looking at the signs, we keep reading tithing, and we see what's happening out there. What's gonna happen when the numbers start shrinking in the church? When you being a Christian becomes a cuss word. What's gonna happen when you look at as the outsider, the wrong, just because you say you're a Christian? How you gonna handle it then? You can't handle your income being dropped by 1.3%. You can't handle, we cussing and fussing because gas is up, okay, what you gonna do? Now, we remember when gas was a lot higher. And then it went back, now I'm talking about relatively speaking. You know, we had no $7 or $6 gallon gas, but relatively speaking, there was a, a lot of folks don't remember stagflation. You know, high inflation and unemployment, they don't remember that, but that was in the 70s. And these gas shortages and these rationing and the lines and so forth. Embargos, yeah. So it was rough, but you know what folks? Folks weren't into complaining like we do now. And so we've got so high and so fat off different things and we got to have our Wi-Fi everywhere and everything at the, you know, at the, at our fingertips, something bad happens. We are the worst Christians. We are not who Paul contemplated. We're not who Peter thought of. We're not, we are not defenders of the faith. We are defenders of ourselves. We are weak. Not everybody, obviously. I'm not speaking about every last one of y'all. So don't, you know, don't, what they say, don't at me, don't, don't, don't get at me, don't go tripping. I'm saying by and large, we are a weak body. Compared to the folks who don't have the Lord, who don't have the Holy spirit, they would rather fight. I don't mean this physically, but just stand up for what they believe. The homosexual community, LGBTQ community. Oh, that's a church. No, it's about it. And they vote, they fight, they march, they preach. We don't. We'll go along what they say and then complain about it later. So we have the weakest church in America. That's for sure. Who's better? The Hebrew Israelites, the Negro Israelites, they're out there as ignorant as they are preaching. The Muslims, go for it, go ahead. Let the redeemer say so, ask the question, what about the church lights and bills? Now, Coral just got through answering that question. I thought it did. What about the church? Yeah, we answer it all the time when we bring up tithing, all the time. I have come, I'm not talking about you who answered the question, but what I have come to a conclusion is that a lot of people don't really wanna hear that audible sound that we often give. We always, we often give the answer in the midst of our fussing and taking our belts off. We often give the answer, but you can't hear it. All right? In my speech, I said, that building is yours, you build it. Didn't you not hear me say that? You built it, that's your asset. Take care, but then number two, I said, if you tell the people the truth that people will give, did I not say that? Number three, I said, then the people would give more if you told them the truth, did I not say that? They're always hitting, always hitting for some reason. People hear the attack of the cognitive dissonance. That's what it is. The attack of the CD, okay? Which should be in the bank, a certificate of deposit, right? It's, we've been doing this all our lives. How dare you tell us something that my forefathers have been doing all our life, even though you never really saw the return on what they did. You thought you saw it, but you didn't because you didn't search it for yourself. The church survives financially by the giving. However you give, you give. But the churches that I come in contact with, they don't do all, take up 30 minutes and off. I have no church that take up literally 30 minutes and oftentimes shouting at people, getting them emotionally ready to give. And these lines, cut it out of the lines all that, and they, you have wasted 30 minutes of my time when I could be receiving the word of God. Understand? I don't know no other secular entity that does what the church do is the shame. And when I went to the Catholic church, they didn't even, not all Catholic churches, but I was, I worked in the Catholic system in South Dakota, all right? And they didn't even have a time for a time, no time in their little mass. They sang their songs, they stood up, sat down, stood up, sat down, you know how the Catholic's are. All right? And I'm ready to give some money. And they get dismissed and they marched out and I said, oh, y'all forgot to collect the, cause I'm, what's the word? I've been indoctrinated. Okay? So I said, y'all forgot to do the tithing off. And they says, you didn't see the bucket when you walked in? I was like, excuse me? She said, yeah, when you walk in, just put it in the bucket. All right? But since you missed it on the way in, there's a bucket over there. Put it in the bucket and you leave. I said, wow! And I asked one of the parishioners, okay, what's going on, what is it? They said, oh, we don't have to do that. We have a, there is a mentality of giving. We know that the building needs to be paid for and the lights and the gas and the repairs. We know that. Why do we have to be reminded every Sunday to pay our bills? Are you reminded every month to pay your bills? You just pay your bills. And you have automatic deductions coming out of your account. So why do we need to spend that much time? We need to get into the worship. This is a Catholic church telling me this. And I went back home and said, you know what? I've got to rethink this thing. It makes no sense. So how are the church, how's the church going to get taken care of without the tithes? Like they always been taken care of before there was a tithe. What do you think the church was operating on for 2,000 years almost? Huh? What do you think they were operating on? Paul raised money in 2 Corinthians chapter eight and nine and he was taking money from one church and giving it to another church that was poor. That's how it survived. Let me read this passage in 2 Corinthians nine. I'm just gonna read verse six going on. The point is this. Whoever, is that why I wanted to read? Yeah. Whoever sow sparingly will also reap sparingly and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart. He didn't say give a certain percentage. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart. Not reluctantly or under compulsion that means being forced to for God loves a cheerful giver, a cheerful giver. Now we tend to focus on the cheerful giver part because God wants you to give cheerfully. I give till it hurts, whatever that's not what it says. And God is able to make all grace abound to you so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times you may abound and never get to work. As it is written, he has distributed freely. He has given to the poor. He, I'm sorry, his righteousness endures forever. He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest. You will be enriched in every way to be generous in every way, which through us will produce thanksgiving to God. Now, I'm gonna stop right there. Notice who's doing the giving. He, he ain't relying on you to give it. And so like he's saying, God is gonna take care of what he needs to take care of. God does, it's not like God's been back there. You know what? I forgot to send some money or take care of this church over here. I forgot, you know what? I forgot that their lights, their light bill is due. He'll take care of them or- Come on, man. You may have to close up shop, move to the next church. Maybe you guys aren't doing what you're supposed to do. Come on. There's too many folks living half the hall at the top and no ministry's getting done and that's what you're focused on. And so God, God can, listen, God can open it up and God can close it up. Sometimes God will exercise judgment on his own body. Scouting you guys, you know I'll tell you what. There's 400 of you guys sitting here and nobody is, and no one is growing. How about you 400? I sent 100 over here to this church that's growing. You know, I don't know what he's gonna do, but I know this, he will take care of his own. He will supply whatever the body needs. And if that means he'll supply this former body, this former group, 100 over here to this new, he'll do what he's gonna do. We have to believe that God is in control and he will take care of his flock. That's what we have to believe in so. And the last thing I'm gonna say before I go and eat some dinner, Corey, Minor, or Major. Well, don't you go all night? Corey Major. I'm about to go all night, don't you? Macho at nine o'clock. Okay. Which I ain't gonna lie tonight because you done, you done, you done wore me out. Okay. You lastly is this. Who said God told you to build that church? Who told you that? Yeah. You were in a nice little spot, the church your grandma had that church paid for, all right? Now, everybody's comfortable. That's your building and your property. You even have a parking lot, that's yours. What you did was you looked over there and you saw that the other nations had a king and you didn't have one. You asked God, can we have a king? You saw that those other churches had a new building and you say we need one because I was old. And then you decided to almost in a sense, I'm gonna be nice because I'm on the Corey Major show, you robbed and pillaged and ran them up and Plymouth rocked these members and these single mothers who are barely making it, you made them pay 1,000, 2,000, 3,000. Some of them you told them to get another second, second, third mortgage on their homes to build this building. And then you tore the whole one down, build a new one. And now you are millions in debt hoping that one family don't leave the church because that one family is a big time off from giving. When you've got to wonder who might leave us or we can't afford to pay the bank this month, you are in an upside down situation. Yes, you are. And this is sad and God never told you to put the people under that financial strain. So you all are crying about what the church gonna do and how are we gonna pay our bill? Who told you to build that massage, that mess, that behemoth, that leviathan? Nobody told you to build that. You could have saved your money and took that money and paid your bills at home and went over there to the church of Carl Street, like he said, and the church is paid for and support them and then give some of that money to the poor. That church that you paying all that money for, the neighborhood ain't feeling none of it because the neighborhood is not being serviced by it because most of the money is tied up in the mortgage of that church. So you can't even have a good outreach program. You can't outreach because there's not enough money to help the people that's even in the neighborhood because it's going to Chase, Manhattan, US Bank, Capital One, whoever furnished the mortgage on that place. That's a shame. That's a sin. That's a sin that you're putting all of your ducks in that one building, all right? And so you ask for the storefront, the storefront. The church is not the storehouse that y'all mentioned in Malachi three. The church is not the storehouse because Monday I can't go in that church and get and benefit from that money I put in there. Why? Because the storehouse is the bank. The finance department took that deposit slip and took it up to Crosstown and put it in Chase Bank. So you can't even benefit from the time. You got to go to Chase Bank and say, hey, I'm about to lose my house, can I, can I? And the Chase Bank gonna call the cops on you, okay? So we always try to put an old dispensation economy into our new dispensation economy and we keep screwing it up and it confuses people and the people want to know, do I pay a tithe on my debt, on my net? Do I pay it on my gross? Do I pay it when I get my tax? Do I get a refund check or do I get it on if the president write me a, what you call those bailout checks, okay? Why do I get paid my tithes on this? I mean, it's just crazy, crazy, my PPP loan, do I pay my tithes on that? It's so confusing because we made it confusing. It belongs back there, closed the door, put a padlock on it and walk away. I'm gonna let you go, but I wanna, when I was locked up hanging out on the government's dime, do you know how many former pastors were there for defrauding the government, try to get some money into their churches? And one guy, he's like, man, we had all these bills and so I had to do this and had to do that, like, wow, what could, so, and I get it, when we gather, especially if you live in a place where there's inclement weather, you wanna gather in a place where there's four walls and a ceiling and the more the people, the bigger it's gotta be, but it's what he's saying is that you guys want the nicer things and you're competing with the other church because they just built a brand new edifice, now we gotta do the same thing too, so. But anyway, guys, we're gonna do this again. And next time we do it, we will have the technology down, right? Yo, yeah, we're gonna have it down. I'm gonna start off the first mistake, I'm gonna have my 15-year-old come in and help me, so that way all the funds get pushed right. Come on, man. So, but listen, this was good. Let me say this, guys, if you have not been watching Sir Walter Jones, now, for some of you folks that are up in age, cause he come on at 12 o'clock at night, so that's probably to read. No, I'm kidding, but he comes on at a time to where you're not really doing anything so you can watch him. And if you don't catch him, the beauty of YouTube is if you don't catch him live, you can always go back, he's giving good stuff. He's giving good stuff. And so, brother, man, listen, I enjoyed this. I enjoyed this. And so, I hope you all did as well. By the way, let me say, y'all, if you don't know his channel, go, let's see, go to his channel, that is, I don't know how you click on that, that's more technology stuff, but one of the guys put your link on there, or just go to Sir, just type in Sir Walter Jones. The Sir Walter Jones show. The Sir Walter Jones show. Yeah, and I see that you have Dianna review over there. She is your moderator, I believe it is. Oh, yes, she is. We have been blessed to... She joined the Bunker family a few weeks ago, and man, we have been blessed by her presence. Now that I see that she's your moderator, me, her, and her husband, Joey, gotta have a conversation to find out why she got dual citizenship between us. I gotta figure out how we can, how we can fix this mistake she's making by beating your mother. I don't know, I think Dianna was here first, if that's the case, then you'd leave her alone. Yeah, I understand that, I understand that, but you go levels, you go levels in the Lord. We just got through talking about churches, beefing and coveting and all this stuff. I see what didn't happen here. I see what didn't happen. Yes, you understand. Let me do something for you that I know y'all used to in Kojic. Satan, I rebuked you in the name of God. What? I know you're used to that. I am used to that. How many times have you been bound? Somebody did ask me a question. Somebody asked the question, what are the names, sir? Come on, let me answer that right quick. Okay. I did not give myself the name, sir. I actually don't really care for people to give themselves these majestic names because that shows a heartiness. I actually rejected the name. My people gave me that name. I didn't give it to me. For years I rejected, they came around in the 90s. That's how long I've had it for about 20-something years. And I kept rejecting it, but everywhere I went, even in South Dakota, even my students were calling me, sir. And I'm like, how did you know? You didn't know to call me that from Chicago. And they kept calling me that. And then it's like, okay, Walter, it looks like you probably need to use that name because everybody referred to you as sir. And it's a play on the sir Walter Raleigh and what have you. So I decided, okay, that's gonna be my stage professional name and that's why I use it today. And it has caught on. And now people, my students thought my first name was sir because they would call me Mr. Walters. They thought my first name was sir. They said, well, were you united by the queen and all these things? So no, I'm not that kind of puffed up guy who would just give myself some majestic name. It's just the people called me that and that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Right, I like it. I like it. Now when I first heard it, because Keith Henley was one that mentioned this guy, sir Walter Jones and Kojik, wait a second, Kojik, sir. Oh, I see what's happening here. One of them went off the rails over there. You want me to go check him out? And I went over and I said, this brother, I said, wait a second, you said he's Kojik? No, no, I can't be. No, he ain't, you don't sound Kojik over there, but man, listen, I'm pleased. I'm happy. What does somebody call me? A smart Christian bunker, smart bunker Christian? Yeah, yeah. Amen. Amen. Listen, we all family on both channels and all the other ones. So this has been wonderful. Guys, I want to thank y'all. Like Tim Johnson said, yeah, this was great. This was this, I enjoyed this. We've been laughing all day. We've been, we have, we have. And so this is wonderful. This is wonderful. Do this again. That being said though, Indiana is about to come on. They about to tip off in a little bit. You got to go eat. I know what that means. Yeah, it's basketball season, y'all. It's basketball season. So, and if my team lose, then I'll do, I'll be doing lives three times a day if my team loses. Anyway, brother, do you want to go ahead and bless the folks and just pray us out? We don't usually pray out, but why not? Why not? I pray out on my shows. So my people are used to it. God, I thank you for this young man here. Thank you for his content, his mindset. Thank you for allowing him and giving him the strength and the ability to be able to go back into the original texts of the Greek and the Hebrew and the Aramaic and help the people understand how you dealt with your children, the children of God. Now, today, we are sons. Thank you, God, for the grafting in, the ability for us to be a part of that Abraham's family. God, I thank you for you called him friend and now you call us friend. This year, I ask that you bless the smart Christian channel, continue to prosper him, everything that he touched. Oh, God, let it turn to gold, bless his family, his wife and his children. Continue to bless this man of God so that thousands around the world will hear this gospel of Jesus Christ and ask the question, what must I do to be saved? Many of these people in the comments section are as well, God, even the naysayers, God, give them the truth, show it to them tonight so they can wake up tomorrow and say, now I get it. Now I understand, show them a vision, show them a dream, show them the truth, God, we need them. We want to fellowship with them when we get into the heavens of heavens. God, we love you and we'll give your name to praise in Jesus' name, amen. Amen, amen, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Guys, I will see you, I think tomorrow, the Lord stays the same, God, Lord willing. See you all tomorrow. Amen, goodbye.