 there's two trailers, one of them doesn't have Toby and Andrew and one of them does. Yeah, I've heard concerns of whether or not they should. I'm just like, I do not know what the argument is to keep them out of the architect. I think it's, I, from a marketing perspective, it makes a lot of sense to show that they're in the film. And I guess the thing is, had none of this been leaked, then maybe I would have advocated for not, you know, having them like in the marketing, but everybody knows, you know, would your, would your reasoning be just to keep the secret? If you have a secret like that, could you imagine how hyper would be if like you went into the film and you had no idea, and then you saw Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man showing up, that'd be awesome. Like that'd be really cool. Yeah, but the level of, well, at that point, like, like how much should be kept secret? I guess the problem is it probably would be hard from a contracts perspective because they probably get like top billing, you know, their names would be, they probably get, you know, how could you keep them uncredited? Like, if they're a big part of the film? That and just the fact that like, you know, where do we draw the line at keeping secrets? Because of course, them being in there is like 1% of what their involvement is, right? What do you mean? Like, so us knowing they're in there could arguably be the reason we're going to see the film and the surprises will be what they do and what the story is. I guess it's kind of just, I can see the world where none of it got leaked. It's very unlikely that that world exists where none of it got leaked, and then you go watch the film and you have no idea. But I guess the problem is like, how could you possibly market this film at all without people basically figuring it out? If you've got like a Doc Ock and Green Goblin that's like, wait, if those guys are in, that means like, so yeah, at that point it would be. And yeah, Doc Ock seems to be the primary like marketing beyond, you know, Peter just himself for the movie. It seems like it seems like there's, well, it seems like there's almost like a list going from, you know, like in descending order of like Doc Ock, then Green Goblin, then like Electro or maybe, you know, those three definitely. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's meant to be more than just those three. I think Sandman is like, that's, yeah, no, Lizard, people are talking about them really. But I'm pretty sure they're in there from what I've heard. As kind of, because I've been trying real hard to like avoid a lot of this stuff. But have you been trying? You seem to, it seems like you were looking for some of it. I, so the thing is, is there's there's stuff that I'm okay with knowing, but like, I don't want to know like what's happening in that film. And I feel like I've avoided enough of that to where I like, if somebody asked me what the plot is, I'm pretty sure I couldn't tell you what it would be. I just kind of know who's in it. Sure, but like, you have a chance to not inspect leaked images, but you will. Um, yeah, I suppose there's that one, the one that came out recently. I couldn't, I couldn't help myself. I've seen people be like, definitely fake images, but it's like, I'm not convinced. I'm not, especially the fact that the guy who leaked it apparently got contacted by Sony. It's probably real. Which makes me think, would it be beneficial for Sony to be like, that's not real, or just not say anything to be like, yeah, that's totally real, bud. Um, I guess the thing is, is cause he said that they asked him to give up the source. So that might have been the reason that's like, who's leaking this. He's not, why would he do that? Um, I mean, he might, if he's worried about getting sued. Is it something they can sue him for if it's a picture he was sent? How does that work? Um, well, the problem is that, yeah, it was a picture that he was sent, but I mean, like, it's not a film that he owns. So how do you distribute the charges, right? I'm curious, would it, if they were to sue, does that mean that they would seize his computer to find who sent it? I don't, I don't know that, I don't know that you'd be able to do that. It would just be that like, oh, well, then you're the person who'd be in trouble. I guess my point is just that, um, the second it gets online, now everyone has access, whether or not you stop Kampia distributing it, which. Well, yeah, that's, that's kind of, that's, that's the thing is like, you want, you want to stop the leak before it happens. And then I wonder if it's just better to delegitimize it by being like, yeah, there's a lot of leaks out. And it's like, have you seen this one? He'd be like, yes, uh, there's a lot of leaks out. And just, just pretend as though it's like, oh yes, that one, that's the legitimate one, of course. Until the film comes out and then who cares? It's funny, um, there's people who, I saw a tweet about it where it was like, oh yes, we will trust the random internet dwellers as opposed to the actors saying they're not in the film. It's like, well, yeah, why would the actors tell us they're in it? But also the actors keep saying different things. Like they go back and forth. It's just funny to me. This is like, why would the actors lie? It's like, I mean, that's their profession, first of all, but like, that's just keeping secrets. I don't know. Do they think it's as easy as are you in it? Yes. Ah, you got me. You asked. Yeah, because if it months from now, they're in an interview with like, fucking Andrew Goffield, they said, you said you went in it. I'm sure you'd be like, yeah, I did. Yep. Yeah. I did say that. And just that I do. You think somebody would do that? Just go out and talk to the press and tell lies? Yes. Don't we think better people? I don't know. Um, hello everybody. We were just talking about Spundo, bro. Um, what, uh, oh, you know what? Rags is the first defap that you got this thing. You should say some stuff. Oh yeah. It's, um, hey everybody. How are you? Hello to everyone. Hi. Oh my god. Look, look at that. Look. Oh my goodness gracious. He's talking. That's like incredible production value. Oh my gosh. I'm barrel rolling all over the place. My god. That's gracious. It's really an aileron though. It's not really a barrel roll. Jumping right out of the screen. That's incredible. That's, that's really, that's really why. Yeah. So when, when, uh, when we first saw this in a call, um, I think the immediate thought is, I, I, I want that. The, um, I'm going to get some good reactions from people who are like, oh, who, who just go, oh shit. They think their eyes aren't working properly. I know with Das, it happened with him when I was in a tall with him. He was like, he thought he was going insane for a moment. But yeah, um, Rigel, uh, Rigel made this for me. He did a really awesome job with it. And in fact, uh, he, uh, kind of, let me put a, um, a link if anybody wants to go to his, his Twitter. So do, do, I'll copy his Twitter link and. I like how anyone listening to this as an audio version will be like, oh man. What's so special? What's so amazing? It's just rags talk other than the fact rags is talking. What is, what's so amazing? Oh my goodness. But that's his, um, that's his Twitter. He's the one who did this and it turned out really, really excellent. He did a great job with it. I think it's a cool little thing to mix it up with. I like it a lot. And when it matches up perfectly, it's actually creepy. Oh my goodness gracious. I'm a vtuber now. Let me, well, we're getting closer. EFab in 10 years from now could be fully modeled animated creatures in the bottom bar. Just chilling out. Yeah. Rags and a Miku. We're going to, we're going to do it. We're going to take the world by storm. Oh yeah. And this will be the first EFab in a while. I imagine that a lot of people can be listening to this with rags having them right, having him right next to them, which we will look into. But I was going to say, we have so many topics today. We should do that. We should probably get started. Um, I know eight minute intro terrifying, but I mean, trust me, there's a reason the title is called multimedia medley. This might be something we do every once in a while, where I collect topics over time that are too small for a single EFab. But if put with a bunch of other things, make for a big thing. Whoa. Now, number one, it's going to be a movie that loads of people will like cover it, cover it to the point of being like, bulls video on details will be really fun. It's like, guys, I haven't seen it. I have not seen this bill, but I just don't care about it. I keep hearing bad things from everybody. I trust it was like, we're starting off with Eternals, the Eternals. That's the idea. Well, what we got as the title says, battlefield is going to be right after and then, and then I'll keep the rest of mystery. It'll be a fun little adventure for everybody. Let's just say the longest topics are likely the starters. So if you leave now, you'll never know what they are. I definitely won't be making an Eternals video. I will barely consider watching it when it becomes fully available. I think I might force rags to watch it with me at least so I can survive, but that's about it. Maybe we'll watch it for the MCU arc that we do in 10 years from now. Either way, Fringy has seen it, and so it is now his task to inform myself, rags, and EFAP chat of what we need to know for going forward in the MCU because we will be looking into No Way Home, probably extensively. Of course. But Eternals is one of them movies that's like, you want to check me out? It's like, not really. No, no, no, not at all. Not at all. I'm considering just letting Mahler go insane watching it alone. No. I just don't care. Don't make me make Mattle take your place. He'll dissolve into tears. I didn't know that was an option. Now I feel even less guilty because I know there's a different sacrificial lamb. But yeah, I don't know. Because I'm trying to think of anything else. People would want to know what my plans are with this film. It's just like, I just don't have any. There are no plans. They're just sans-plans. And this isn't even a Shang-Chi type thing or a Black... No, we didn't do it with Black Widow. But we're like, we take the whole leaf and have to go through it piece by piece. I imagine Fring is going to be quite expedient with going through the plot. Yeah, I'll be happy to just do it. Yeah, like it's not a film that I have much interest in talking about anymore. All I will say is I'll try and keep an eye on chat for questions and I will have questions and Rags will have questions. But I suppose the floor is yours. To tell us, pretend as though no one has any context for this movie that came out. Okay, so Eternals, the premise of Eternals is that there's a group of about 10 superpowered individuals who came to Earth 7,000 years ago and their explicit job is to protect humanity from something called Deviants, which are like these weird alien dogs that run around in people. Weird alien dogs who run around in people. Yeah, I feel like that's the best way to describe them. Just weird alien dogs. I like it from planet to planet. Well, that's a good question, Rags. Oh, really? That's a great question. So honestly, with your one sentence, I'm like, I have four questions. I probably shouldn't stop him, though. Yeah, so I guess I'll be... It's like, well, as long as you don't put the alien on a ship, you'll be fine, right? Like, oh man. So, well, there are even more questions you're going to have. So I'm not sure whether to skip ahead to the full explanation or just continue. No, we'll continue from... So basically, there's this group and they're interacting with humans, but they're not meant to interfere in human conflicts. They're not meant to interfere too much at all. But they do interact... So they interact very heavily with the societies that they live in heavily. They interact with them. Like giving us technology or not telling us what germs are? Yes. Giving us technology, yeah. I guess they give them some studies. Oh, did they give examples? And yeah, so they... The analogy they gave us? One of the characters wanted to give us a steam engine in Babylon. Someone aptly pointed out that's retarded and then he made a plow. So that's one example. But that's... Wait a second. So if you went to the back, because ancient humans weren't stupid, they just were operating under way less information than we do now. Of course, yeah. So, like, if you went to the Renaissance with a steam engine, they could probably just make those, you know? I thought we could have been Babylon as a little too early. Yeah, but still, you'd wonder, like, man, if you really, really put your mind to it, could you have done it if you had all the plans with the metallurgy? But again, they said it was like a little too... And now this is just reminding me. So I should walk through... So there's 10 beings. So there's Cersei. She can manipulate matter. So she can turn stuff into other things. So if it's a block, she can turn it into sand. Then there's Icarus, who's basically Superman. He can fly and shoot lasers. He's super strong. These names... That's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Okay, so... How about the invention and technology thing? Yeah, that's... There's a fast toss. I think his name is... He, like, manipulates technology. He can make crazy tech just by, like, moving his hands around. I think it's Kengo. He shoots like lasers out of his hands, like guns. Then there's a guy called Druog who controls people's minds. So that's... Yeah. Then there's... I think it's Makari. She's the fast one. Wait, fast toss isn't the fast one. No, Makari's the fast one. And then there's... Thena, that's Angelina Jolie. She, like, makes weapons out of nothing. That's... And she's, like, good at fighting. And then you've got your boy Chad, who is in the film. Chad, he's Gilgamesh. And he's just really strong. And then there's Ajak. I think you're... Wait, I thought Gilgamesh was a Middle Eastern guy. He was... Well, so the epic of Gilgamesh is based on this Gilgamesh. And remember how I told you there's a guy called Icarus? So he... Somehow... Inspired the story of Icarus and Daedalus. And now keep that in mind. That's a... You got to remember Icarus flew to close to the sun. And then there's... Oh, I forgot one. There's Sprite. She, like, creates... I'll name a Sprite like the beverage. Yes, exactly like the beverage. Yeah. And she creates... Her sister, Fanta? The Fanta... No, no, no. The Fanta Aztec IV. Fanto. They show up. Fanto. But maybe he'll be in the sequel. And then there's Ajak. And she's, like, the leader. And she can heal people. So that... Ajak seem to be like the industrial cleaner. So is there any base power that they all have, such as immortality? Yeah, so... Well, they're eternal. So they live forever, seemingly. They've been here and they haven't aged. But they can be killed. They can be killed, but they're all, like, stronger than a human. Okay. Ajak is like a Greek hero. Ajak. Ajak. I don't know. Ajak. Yeah. So yeah, that's now... They believe that they came from a planet called Olympia. That's where they think they came from. Didn't know where they came from? Well, that's where they believe that they came from. Don't know where they came from? They believe that they came from there. That's what they keep saying. Where from that planet? They have a spaceship though, right? For the reason why... They do have a spaceship, yeah. So they don't know... Okay. Well, so they think that's where they're from. The reason why I'm saying they think is because that's not where they're from, but we'll get there. Oh yeah, I figured. Well, but why couldn't they... It would be odd to make that qualifier if they really were from there. Why couldn't they... No, no, no, they're really from there. They just think that. Why couldn't they visit that place? Don't know. I guess they didn't feel like compelled to, because they just always assumed that that was where they were from. Like, they had memories just from there. Well, if they were there and they were from there, sure they'd have memories being there, right? I think they have memories of being there. I think they do. I think they believe that they have a history there, which actually... Were they all forced memories by the mind control guy? No. So there is an explanation that's... It's kind of... It's catastrophic in its full context in terms of like a whole bunch of stuff. I just want to say, right, on its own, this is already really confusing, but on top of the MCU, it's like, fucking hell. Well, yeah, because that's the big thing. Is that... Yeah? It just... Humans are shit. You know? What do you mean just because everything... We can't even invent our own stuff. Well, so that was what I was going to say, is that this film has introduced a history to Earth that a lot of things have been influenced by these people. That they were at locations that were really important. They introduced things that were really important. They influenced significantly a lot of our mythology because Athena is based on Athena. Icarus and Daedalus is based on this Icarus. The Epic of Gilgamesh is based on this Gilgamesh. Like a whole bunch of these important parts of human history are influenced by them. And it seems like the implication is if they weren't here, humans would have become extinct because the devians would have killed them all. So you've created this walked history where a lot of Earth's past is about this group. There are these really important places, but yet we don't know who they are. And they don't participate in society because everything that's happened in the MCU up until this point, nowhere to be found. Like when Ultron tried to blow up Earth, nowhere to be found, Loki, Thanos just weren't involved. And then in the present day, Jon Snow asks the character, why didn't she help? And she said, we were told not to interfere unless deviance were involved. Like we can't interfere in human conflicts. Now, this gives you some big thing questions, right? Because if your job is to protect humanity, is to protect them, how can you do nothing if they're facing extinction? Are they cool with that? So they believe they were sent here by the Celestials, which are like these big tall dudes in space. Are they even an extra layer of power of different things that we've added to the MCU now? So we've added something. Well, Celestials have been in there, but not as a focal point except for Ego. Like he's a Celestial, but these guys, they're like the most powerful agents that we've ever seen in this. More powerful than Kang. No. Well, no, they're not more powerful than Kang. But Kang made the Celestials. No, Celestials existed before the universe began. Oh, so the Celestials are allowing Kang to write the history of all cause the cosmos? No, they're not, because what happens is the TVA, whenever the Eternals do something that makes the timeline bad, they send a little TVA agent to put his Zapper against the Celestials. Oh, they melt the melt's bright and coke and all those people? Well, we've got to imagine that they've had to on one or a few like a few occasions, like surely, right? But I guess we're not supposed to think about that. Yeah, I guess they couldn't defeat the Cloud Monster. So, well, we talked about that. Say, how did they defeat the Cloud Monster? Well, in any case, we jumped to like, so the team is broken up. They break up when like, now help me, because I keep mispronouncing it. Tenno Titch Land? Is that what it's called? Aztec Capital? Not the Queen. Oh, well, man, I've been butchering that one then. It's a weird Aztec words. Their words are tough. So we see them there. The group decides to split up because they're watching all this bad stuff happen and it's like, oh, no, we need to split up. But not before the mind control guy stops the siege and leads everybody out of there, just like takes them all into the wilderness. It's really weird. I don't know why they would do that. It's in terms of a narrative decision. In any case, so we're in the modern day. Oh, the deviants, we thought we stopped them, but now they're back and they're like trying to kill us. And then Icarus shows up to help our main girl, Cersei. And then they're like, all right, we need to go find Aztec. And then they go find her and she's dead. And they think that the deviant killed her. Why do the deviance want to kill everything? That's just what they do. But that's just what they do. Yeah, we don't know everything yet. There is a context we'll get there. So yeah, they find out that Aztec's dead. And then this little ball floats out of her neck and then zooms into our main character, which apparently means that she is now the new leader of the group. And it gives her the ability to... So there's a little ball, a sphere that goes into the character's neck and then it shoots out all this crazy magic stuff and then it allows them to directly speak to a guy called Arashim who's like this big red select skill. He's like the big boss. This is very easy to follow. Yeah, I know. He's telling me about it. It's super straightforward and clear and easy to understand. In any case, that doesn't work properly. And they're like, oh, we need to go find everybody. So they go on a big old adventure to find all of the characters. They find Kingo, Needs and Bollywood and then they take him and then they go to Australia. But they don't look like Australia. It doesn't seem like it's a shot here. And they find Gilgamesh and Thena. And so there's something with her where her memories are fucked up, like for some reason. Yeah, she can't remember where he's from. There must be. Well, so it's not just that. There's weird memories splicing in. It's so weird. Like it feels like she's got memories that aren't even hers of her history on Earth. She's got fear to like attacking people. But they be working on it. They be trying to they be trying to fix her up. That's what Gilgamesh is doing. He's trying to help her out. But anyway, so that they're there and they're chilling and then they need to find the rest of the group. But then Cersei, she finally manages to figure out how to contact the Celestials again. And the movie is about to completely fall apart. Like just totally collapse. How many times? Right. Whoa. So this is this is the part where it's like, dude. What have you done in terms of implications on the world? So this is what we find out. There is a process. The Eternals, the reason why they got sent to Earth is because the Celestials put a little seed in every in these planets that have intelligent life. They put a seed there and the Eternals need to protect the intelligent life until there is enough intelligent life that there is enough energy and then a Celestial burst out of the planet thereby destroying the planet in the process. So Earth has one of those. There is a Celestial in Earth that is waiting to explode out of the planet. Now, you might have some questions like, wait, wouldn't that like totally destroy the planet no matter what happens? Because like, is he in it? Like if he's in the planet, is that not going to be significantly affecting the planet? Is he not melted by the interior of the planet? Well, no, because he's a Celestial. So they're like the most powerful agents in the universe except for Kang, they're like incredibly powerful. And the TVA. Great question. So is he absorbs intelligent life to birth? Apparently. So they call it the emergence. And we are incredibly vagus to what actually is happening. But they say like the sufficient energy or something of like intelligent beings. That somehow just how it works. There needs to be enough intelligent beings on the planet and then boom, it's out. And then and then the justification. Well, because I was going to answer like, obviously the process of Earth being destroyed would kill all intelligent life anyway, but is the intelligent life dead by the time it's birthing because it's absorbed? No, because well, no, because we have to assume that's not the case because at the end of the film, obviously there is a Celestial birthing out, but they stop it, but all humans are still alive. Like nothing bad happened to Earth. So how does that work then? Um, I don't fucking know. I have no idea. I don't know. Like, I actually, I don't know. I think they just assume that that's enough. Like, I don't understand the mechanics, the physical process that is happening. Is it like intelligence creates an aura? I think we have to assume that that's what they think. For some reason, that that's what the film thinks. Now, the the logic, because you'd be like, oh, that's really bad. But the logic of the Celestials is, oh, well, so now, so the Celestials existed before the universe. So like before the six, you remember, there was nothing. Then boom, six stones hurtling across the virgin universe. It's like, well, no, that's not true. The Celestials existed before that. And the Celestials create stars and planets. They do that, not gravity. Oh, oh, not nebula. They do that. Not the. I think we're meant to assume that the Big Bang happens still. But but they create planets. That's that's what they do. They make all right now. That's I you've kind of broken space when you tell me that. Like the universe works. Like it our universe works. You know, it functions like this. There's explanations for why things happen. But when you just then established that planets are being created by like these massive God deities that move around in space. Like, I don't know. I don't know what I meant to do with that. How do I how do I understand like the formation of our solar system? Was the moon like placed there by these guys? Did it not crash into Earth during the formation of the solar system? But and the reason why they do that is their logic is we'll see the process that we do of like blowing up planets with intelligent life and creating new new celestials is that we can then use the energy to basically create new planets and new life. And if we don't do that, it would be the heat depth of the universe. That's that's the justification they have. You got any questions? I'm just I typically ask questions to fill in gaps. But all I've got is gaps really. So yeah. Yeah. That's the problem, isn't it? But in any case, so so Cersei's like, wait, that'll kill all the people. And that's concerning to her. It's like, oh, that's concerning to your heart when all the people on Earth die. Man, I can't think of any events where like, yeah. We're like a robot sense of giant meteor hurtling towards the Earth. Oh, I thought you were just going to skip to it. Yeah. Like after the universe got needed. Yeah. So then then Arasham's like, all right. Now let me let me pull the blindfold off. So your robots, the the Eternals are robots that were like, they're not from Olympia. That's all bullshit. They're robots. And these these Eternals have been to many planets before, but they've had their memories taken from them. So you remember how I said that Angelina Jolie had memory spliced apparently like she has memories of past lives that she's had. Now you might have the question of why in the world would you allow that to even be possible? Why would you not just make new robots every single time? Why would you reuse them? If that's a possibility that if they live for long enough their memory starts splicing and then they could potentially see through the facade that you've told them. But I don't know. I don't know. I have no answers for you. So here's another big revelation, the DV. So there was a concern among the Celestials man, intelligent life might be threatened by predators. We can't have that. So what we're going to do is like just animal, you know, like lions and shit. Like lions, like life is threatened by lions. I guess maybe like in the very, very, very, very early stages. Well, so yeah. So they say like, well, that's a little concern. Instead of just letting that process play out because that might produce a new intelligent life that's even cooler. Here's what we'll do. We'll create super predators, like super apex predator aliens called deviants. We're going to send them to these planets. We're going to send them to these planets to kill the predators who would be on the on the intelligent life. Oh, no, they're attacking the intelligent life, too. Who could have guessed that that would happen? So the Celestials should have read one Wikipedia article on a trophic cascade and they could have avoided all of this. But they didn't have Wikipedia back then. Well, that's that. But they'll have Celestialpedia, right? Where they just have like all of them. But but in any case, yeah, that's. So that the Celestials, they're really stupid. They're very, very stupid as you as you'll find out even more so later. But in any case, yeah, they created the deviants. They start evolving. Who could have seen that come? And they start attacking the prey of the predators that they killed. Who could have seen that coming? And so you're like, well, can't they just like they're like Celestials, right? So they can just blow up. They can kill them easily, right? Nope. They got to create their eternal fighter force to then go to these planets to protect them and somehow the deviants move between planets. So that was their plan instead of just now keep that in mind. They had no capacity to just like the deviants out of existence, yank them away from the planet. They had no capacity to yank the deviants off of the planet physically and just drag them out into space. That's not something they can do. I suppose we got to rewind in order to understand every problem here because I was just like. Celestials, they are created because like originally first, how did the first Celestial arrive? Okay, well, we'll put a bit of a question mark on that. Celestials then decided to make more. We need to plant them in planets as seeds and they need intelligent life. Question mark to grow. Not just all life. Again, there is a distinction and this is something that's been talked about because I've talked about it a bit on my stream. There was no consideration for like Neanderthals or Homo erectus or any other human species on earth that I think could reasonably consider to be intelligent. And I guess also like dolphins and chimpanzees and magpies. Like they're just not. There were some arbitrary lines separating humans from everybody else. And I don't know if I want to bring this up yet because it sounds like you got more questions. So just press on. Well, I was just going to say like, so you're a Celestial. We're all Celestials. Let's say Austria. I'm like, there's our new planets called Earth. They're going to pop a little seed in there. And then for me, it's like, ah, we got some humans on the way. Better send some deviants to prevent them lions and junk from from hurting them. Can we just be like, well, why don't we just wipe them out with our amazing Celestial power and just drop random bits? You know what? Why is this even the process? I don't understand. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Once you reach that point, why would you do it? If you are this powerful, as powerful as we've seen, you can create planets and stars and stuff like and create like sentient beings yourselves. Yeah. What are you doing? A deviant, not enter intelligent life. Well, so that's the part that gets interesting. Later on, we see that a deviant does the big suck on Gilgamesh. It like sucks out his life force. And then that evolves him into an intelligent bipedal being. He can speak. What are we supposed to make of that? I well, so I don't know that the film even knows what to make of that because he is what I is something you don't see often in stories like a literal storytelling dead end where his story just leads to a dead end that really has no bearing on the main plot, despite apparently being the main villain for most of it. And then it just ends and his involvement in the story like stops abruptly to where he is no longer relevant. And it doesn't matter what he was doing. And we just move back our focus back onto what's actually happening. But we had to get to that. Yeah. I don't know what we're meant to think of that. There's so many things along this process that the celestial is just a complete fucking morons. That's all I can gather from this. That's exactly. And the stupidity of them is not even fully been explored. There's still more to come. And so just for reference chat, when we talk about like what makes something a one out of 10, usually our criteria is it breaks time and space. Loki broke time. Anyway, yeah. So the funny thing is, I wasn't there when I first watched the film and I wasn't even there like a few days after. But man, I don't know. In any case, something that I forgot to mention was that we see a scene earlier in the film where Ajax says, humans like this planet is super interesting. There's something special about this place. So keep that in mind. So we have that. And so she's found out all of this is happening and that Earth is impending that Earth is about to get destroyed. So like now the deviant shut up around the same time that Earth was going to be destroyed anyway. That I have to assume it's just a wild coincidence because there was no explanation for why both events would be happening at the same time that the deviance are out running about that the claim was that they got released from some ice that they were frozen in the ice. So that just happened to line up exactly with when the emergence was going to happen within a week. That's crazy. Yeah. But in any case, they need to get the rest of the team together. They go into the Amazon they find who's been living in this weird like cults place where he has a bunch of humans under his control. They live in this little enclave in the forest. And he doesn't really want to help. But while they're there, they get attacked by deviance that have been tracking them. I guess the deviance can like move across because the deviance would have had to swim across the Atlantic Ocean because they first attack in the UK. And then they get all the way down to the and then they get all the way to the Amazon. So I guess they can just swim across the ocean. Fine. Fine. One of them can fly. But yeah. But and then they get attacked. Thing is going all flupy. And so Gilgamesh dies trying to save her. And then he gets, yeah, he gets killed. The deviance sucks out his juice. And then and then he just starts talking about stuff. Hey, can I just, I just want to inject there. Would it not be beneficial to have supplied your eternal with the ability to destroy these deviance, even if they get your little suckers into your back? It feels like a design flaw. Why did it? Why did the deviance even have the ability to suck out the life force of beings that were created after they were made? They suck all things. Fringy. I guess it's all things and they're just compatible with that ability. Compatible with all of life, even though these are robots. Yeah. Biological robots, which just makes you think. That's pathetic. Yeah. And they have free will. Just remember they have free will. They have the capacity to make choices. Well, for some reason, I'm just thinking about some other TV show. But the I just I guess I'm interested in the idea that it's like he was defeated. It's like, why do your deviant cleanup crew have the capacity to be beaten by deviance? Wouldn't you want to make it so that it can't be? Why would you make them stronger than that? Oh, and also because I just remembered mentioning free will. We haven't been talking about the character. I guess we can reel back to that one later. It's not a Marvel. It's not a Marvel movie discussion until we get into the topic of free will. Yeah. The characters have relationships with each other and they have perspectives and they have the Cersei and Icarus. They love each other. They have a romantic relationship. So they have the capacity to love each other. They have the capacity to resent people, to be vengeful, to be depressed. They have all of these things and you might wonder if that would interfere with the grand designer or anything. But I don't know. I guess not. There you go. Look at that little wobb heart. Just make sure chat of following your descriptions here. Yes. Yeah. So they do a funeral for Chad and then they're like, all right, let's get everybody back together. They go back to their ship, which is sitting in, I think, Iraq or somewhere in the Middle East. They go to their ship and Makari's just been sitting in there reading books and stuff. And then they, fuck this part, because this part, there's like character and plot stuff starts happening. And it's a whole hodge podge. So like basically they start saying, so what is like our plan here? What are we supposed to do to stop the bad guy, to stop the celestial that's going to pop out of Earth? And they're thinking about their plan. And this is where we get a key piece of information. Icarus visited Ajak earlier that week when she was still alive. And Ajak was like, oh, you know what? I like this planet. You know, we had our mission, but this is the planet where they brought everybody back to life. That's pretty crazy. Oh, look, Cuba, look at him. He's just gushing over Chad. Yeah, they basically say like, okay. So this planet is super duper special. Humans are awesome. They're the bestest. They're the most unique, interesting specialist beings in the universe, which is just, I love when stories keep doing that. It's not at all annoying when we're talking about a universe filled with like quintillions of planets and like seemingly trillions upon trillions upon trillions of intelligent beings. Humans are the awesomeest, most specialist, coolest guys ever. And then she's like, yeah, we're going to stop the emergence. And then Icarus is like, and so what we find out as well is that Icarus was told he was the only other person who got told about what the actual plan was for them there. So that's a big thing. The Eternals just believe that they're meant to exist to protect humans from the deviance to no end, other than to just ensure their survival, but for no real point other than that. That's what they think they're there for. So only these two know the truth, which is that at some point Earth will be destroyed. And so, yeah, he's like, oh, I got to show you something. Hey, look at these deviance that broke out of the eyes. All right, I'm pushing you off the cliff now. And then she gets killed. And then he sets it all up to look like she was killed by deviance on her little farm. So, yeah, but for some reason, he decided to get the whole team together and allow the team healing. Oh, rip. Well, that's not how I'm going to do it. Everyone's killing you. Oh, man. But so, yeah, so for some reason, Icarus got the whole team together because he showed up at first in London to meet Cersei. And they got the whole group together. Why? Why would you do that? Especially once you start noticing that they're talking about defecting and basically portraying the mission that you believe to be fundamental to your existence. And so what they start talking about is that that... Oh, yeah, and they got a faster... I forgot about him as well. So they go pick him up. He's got a little family that he's living with. He turned his back on humans after Hiroshima. He's basically a human. Which is so dumb. Well, it's so reductive and simplistic. But yeah, he settles down, starts a family, but then he decides to help because he's got his little son and he wants to protect the Earth so that he has a chance to live. It's like, yeah. Now, this kid looks like he's seven or eight years old. So that means that he could have been snot. So I guess you just didn't care. I'm sure they don't talk about it. I don't... Yeah, but in any case, so basically what he says is, oh, so we have... Now, this is where we get into the crazy science fiction, McGuffin stuff. We have... The reason why we don't age is because, I don't know, we have like infinite cosmic energy going through us. But we can somehow hack that and channel all of our energy, excess energy into like one person and make them super duper powered so that they can basically do a super crazy thing with their power. And they want to do it with the guy Druid. They want to make him go to sleep. They want to have him mind control and to go to sleep so that they can think more about what their real plan is. And then Icarus is like, nah, all right, fuck it. This is enough, fuck you. And then he destroys the tech that they're going to use and then he hurts a couple of them and he's like, yeah, no, we're not doing this. And if you try, I'm just going to kill all of you and then he leaves and Sprite leaves with him because she's like, I'm going to help you, all right? Matt, that seems pretty significant for Sprite's character to side with the... Yes. Yeah. I'm sure that'll be really interesting as this goes on. Yeah. As an interesting choice, yeah, maybe. So anyway, they leave and then Ken goes also like, well, I agree with Icarus but I'm not going to hurt you so I'm just going to go home. He leaves. So then they're sitting there like, oh no, there's nothing we can do. We can't do anything to stop him. Wait, Cersei, that little gold ball that you got from Ajak, we can use that to channel the infinite cosmic energy. Wow. And we can do this. We can reverse engineer this tech to do something insane that we've never even considered a possibility before, this Unimine thing in a day. Wow, crazy. What is the Unimine? The Unimine is his name for channeling all their cosmic energy into one person so that they've got super duper powers. Okay. And they do that with the crazy little ball thing. And so, yeah, they do that. And then they get Makari to go, oh, you're fast, run around the whole world to find out where this guy's popping out. Now, of course, that's a weird thing. Where is he going to pop out? Like, is he going to pop out his head? His head? Like, what? Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't he just pop out the whole thing? If she finds him, it's too late, right? Well, so they somehow have a piece of tech that can identify where he's going to pop out. So that's what they used to find them. So they find him before he's popping out. Okay. And it's in like the Indian Ocean somewhere. And then they go over there. Icarus is sitting there like, oh, all right, I'm glad you're here, Sprite. We're just going to sit here and wait for the world to end. Oh no, they blasted. They found us. And then he immediately destroys the spaceship that they're flying in because he is that strong. He is the strongest by far. Like, now, remember how we talked about how they were all robots that were created? Why can't they all fly and shoot lasers out of their eyes? Why aren't they all as strong as him? Why can't they all manipulate matter? Why can't they all go super fast? Why can't they all heal themselves? Why do they each have a very specific power set? Why can't they all do everything? If ever they get split up, they can be easily taken down. So. Well, yeah, except for Icarus. Except for Icarus. He's the strongest. And Gilgamesh, who is like the physically the strongest, but who is literally one of the ones that was taken down. So yeah, it's like, he's so strong. He's just way stronger than everybody else. And then, yeah, he destroys the ship. And then, but then they get out and they're like, all right, let's let's put him to sleep, Druig. And then Icarus is like, no, you're not doing that. And then he shoots him into the ground and like, and then they have a big old fight. They start fighting each other. But they're playing as shots because Druig seems to be out of the fight. So they're just fighting him. And then the deviant, the evil deviant just shows up. He just appears out of nowhere. And just starts fighting them for some reason. I don't even know what his agenda is anymore. Like, I don't know why he's here. I don't know what he wants, what he's doing. And then, so the two fights start happening because like, Thena wants to get revenge on him and they have a little one-on-one fight and then she beats him. And then that's the end of his plot. And that's it. He's just there and then he dies. And they're doing the little fight outside. And then they tie down Icarus and Cersei has to run up and like, she's got to try and turn the celestial into like stone and try and kill him. She's got to touch him to do that though, right? Yes. So she's running up this little mountain to try and get to where he's popping out. If she's touching him, that means it's too late. Because he's already popped out of the crest of the earth, you're right. So rip earth, I guess. But no, not rip earth. It's fine. And so, yeah, then there's a little illusion of like Ajak, like don't do it. And then it's like, oh, oh, that's an illusion. Oh, no, you stabbed me in the back while I was commenting on the fact that it was an illusion. And then this is the part where Sprite's like, I don't like, you know, I'm like, I'm like a 12 year old kid, except no, I'm not. I'm 7,000 years old. And that means that I don't have the capacity to really lead a full adult life like everybody else. So I'm going to let earth get destroyed because I want another chance at life. Wow, what a motivation. And she says this all explicitly, basically. She says all this. It's like, thanks, film. You did set it up a bit, but then you just told me. So like it didn't even matter if I was paying attention or not. And then she just gets punched in the back of the head by a drug and it's like, ah, all right. Now you got to, you got to turn this, you got to kill this guy, all right, this celestial. And then I think it was at this point that it was like, Ecarus was like, no, this. Oh, I'm sad. I'm sad. I don't want, I don't want to hurt you. See, I'm sorry. And then they all do the you do buy thing and then they kill the Celestial by turning him into like stone. And you can see his little head popping out of the ocean and his hand. So he's gotten a decent way out, but he's dead. Yeah. So he dies and then now remember Ecarus flew too close to the sun. Ecarus just for some reason, he just shoots up into space and flies into the sun. He flies into it and kills himself. Oh, now that was baffling. When do we even start with that? So like, so why first of all, I think he's like, oh, I'm sad. I betrayed you and, you know, I thought Arashim's goal was good. I betrayed him too. I got, I got to kill myself. You know, I got to get out of here. I can't deal with that anymore. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why you did it. Uh, and then I guess, so why is it that it feels to me like a hack writer is like, isn't it clever that Ecarus flew into the sun, which is totally not the story of Ecarus and how then with the story of Ecarus even have happened? Yeah, let's say, how would they know it? Why would it be based on this Ecarus? Did he fly too close? He doesn't have wings. I don't understand. So a celestial can be in the center of a planet, but I guess the Chris, he's the sun is powerful enough to wipe out an eternal, I guess. I guess, or maybe not. We I think we're meant to assume that he's dead. But also, again, you have big questions of if there is a celestial popping out of earth, earth's dumb. The tectonics like, dude, it's over. Like there's no, there's no saving earth. How big is this celestial? Well, so in the demonstration that we get shown in the little hologram thing, it's basically as tall as earth from like top to bottom. Oh, yeah, we're dead. Yeah, it's way too much. The problem is that its size is not accurately represented at the end of the film. And he doesn't because we we also see our instrument at the end of the film. And he's like much bigger than earth. He's like much, much bigger than earth. You could probably stack three or four earths on top of each other. And then that would be as big as him, maybe even more. But yeah, they kill him and then Sprite's like, oh, I'm sad. And then Cersei's like, oh, somehow we have the end. We can turn you into a human. We can just do that. We have enough energy left over to do that. And so that's what she gets. So she betrays them and nearly let earth get destroyed, but she was sad. So she gets to have exactly what she wants, which is a chance in a real life. I was going to say these characters sound botched as fuck. Because what did you say about Kingo? What was what was his deal? He, he was like, I agree with Icarus, but I'm not going to hurt you to like protect my belief. So I'm just going to leave. And it's like, wow, you're still essentially abetting their demise. So I don't know. I don't know how you could say that like meaningfully. And then, yeah, just, man, I'm assuming they do a great job of discussing all of the ethical implications of everything we've been over. No, they, we just skip ahead to a couple of weeks later. So Hiroshima is something that defined a person's perspective on humanity when nothing, there's no events before that. When he was alive for 7000 years, he would have seen a lot of bad things happen before that. Oh yeah, and not to mention after that, not to mention that event. I was going to say that event is not, it's just not that simple as put it that way. It's not, it's not that simple. I mean, if anything, Teno tit like that place, that should have been more of a thing where he's like, oh, screw these guys. Like they're just here to destroy this. Yeah. I can't, I can't. Because that was a lot more. Yeah, because that was basically destroying an entire society just to extract as much value out of that land as possible. Like that's, that was all that was for. But I guess he was indifferent to that. I don't know. And all the other, and all the other, the Mongol conquest. What about the Holocaust? Just any number of bad things that happen throughout human history that they just never, they never did anything about. Everyone in chat is like giving us reasoning for why this is all horrible. And I'm just like, we know it's so much to go over in terms of physics. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, it just, in terms of all of that. But yeah, so we skip ahead. They're just chilling. Now the question you might have is, wait, the Celestials aren't going to be happy with the Celestials. And they're going to know, right? Surely they know. But they're chilling as if nothing's wrong. And then all of a sudden, Arashim just shows up. He like freezes Cersei and yanks her off the planet. And then we find out who's also yanked like King going fast us off the planet too. Now you really think it's oh, so they can do that to the deviants and they just didn't like they didn't build in a back door to just make them be able to do that. So then they... Does that not destroy everything that's been talked about so far? Well, I mean, you'd think it would. Not to mention everything else. Just the idea that like right at the end, Arashim is just like, alright, I need to have a chat with my turtles. It's like, you could just pluck us off the planet. But that just... Zoom here and then pluck us off the planet. And also, I would say, I would imagine that it would probably wreak havoc on Earth to have a giant Celestia Do they care? You know. What I mean is wreak havoc in a lot of ways. So first of all, just sheer physics. If you've got something that big next to Earth all of a sudden like surely that's going to cause some problems without orbit. It's really big. And it's right next to Earth. You said that they weren't allowed to get into human-human conflicts. Was that because they want to respect the natural progression of things or someone else? And it makes you wonder, wouldn't fully respecting the natural progression mean to like never do anything ever to interfere? Ever? No deviants, no eternals, nothing? Just let the process play out. Prime directive? Yeah, basically. But no, that's not what happens. But yeah, so he's like, alright, so I'm not going to kill you and I'm not going to destroy this planet. I'm going to think about it. See ya. And then he yanks them and takes them through like a portal and then they leave. And then we got John Snow, who was belly in this film. He's Dan Whitman Black Knight, I think. And he's just like oh no, and that's the end of the film. Um That's it. Sequel set up. Gonna be honest with you, you're not tempting me to see it. So what you're saying is this is like a 9 out of 10? I... That... Man, like that... When I first watched the film I was really, I was kind of struggling because I'm like, dude, there's something wrong here but like I feel like I got bombarded with so much information all at once because this film is like a two and a half hour exposition dump. So much exposition. It's, yeah, it's the... I believe it's the longest movie outside of Endgame and Infinity War. And so, yeah. I gave it an 8 and it's in apparently. Man. Jesus Christ. I haven't seen it but based on what I've heard because I was quiet for most of that because my brain was just like... It's hard to keep up, it really is. I'm just trying to soak in all of this. I think my brain just decided, listen, just stop asking questions, we'll get done faster. We'll get done, yeah. So I guess, like I said, when I first watched it I was like, it was kind of a haze. I remember when I got back I talked to Moeller and Az about it briefly because as I was thinking about it in the car I was like, wait, no, no, no, wait, hold on, what, no, that doesn't work either. And then the more you think about it, this is very much a film where as soon as you start really thinking about the core plot beats it just deteriorates, it completely falls apart. It's just you've... This story in this universe is really difficult to do well. I wouldn't recommend it, honestly, to try and do this story because especially considering the universe that it's slotting into with all this history. And so you're left in a situation where we talk about all that. So plot is a disaster. It's pretty catastrophic. The world-building. Not as bad as the world-building. The world-building is like, it's dire. It's dire. And so now you're left with two points. So we've got character and theme. This film has entirely too many characters to give them enough time to really flesh them out. Ten characters. I can't even remember. I just think of abstract groups of people. Yeah, it's hard because when it comes to latching onto things basically this is all you need. So see, she's a real good person. She loves people. She's nice and kind and she's great. And she wants to help people. That's her. And she's the main character. And her arc is, I don't know if I can be the leader. Yes, she can. Okay, I'll lead. That's her. So Icarus is like, I love you, Cersei, but I love Ariesha more. I gotta do what he says, alright? This mission is so important that he's like kind of stoic and that's him. And then Ajak is another one where she's like, people are real cool and this group, and I love you. You're like my family, but we gotta split up. But I love humans. We gotta come back together to save them. Now I'm dead. And, man, and as I sit here, I'm like, so everybody else, because... Fuck. So like, there's meant to be a plot where Fina has some sort of like memory issues and she's struggling to deal with that. But outside of that, she just seems to really like fighting. She's kind of like Cromopolis Michael. She just really likes killing things and fighting. That's her. And then she gets over that. And Gilgamesh is just like, I'm a little sweetheart. I'm going to take care of you. I'm going to help you out. Even though I might get killed trying to save you because when you freak out, in the Aztec capital, because of her weird memory flutes, but I'm still going to help you anyway because he's a nice guy. And then Fastos was like, I hate humans. They don't deserve my technology, but I've made a family here and then I got to protect my family. And that's him. And then Sprite's like, I'm resentful because I don't get to have a life. And that's it. Droog's like, humans, I'm going to kill because I use it to kill each other. So I'm going to take it from a small group of them. I live in the forest. I don't know what Kingo's deal is. It was just funny because he's in the film like the most out of the non-major, like main two basically. He's just like, I like acting in Bollywood movies and I'm kind of a jokester and a goofster. I don't know about McCurry either. She's like barely a character. I'm just chilling. I run real fast. I'm like Sonic the Hedgehog. Is that everybody? I think it is. Why not? So yeah, pretty flat, pretty goddamn flat as an overall cast of characters. And this is putting all to one side, like some of these guys assassinated in their own movie based on the decisions they made. You could make that argument. Yeah. Yeah. Because just the decisions you make in the context of you've been alive for 7000 years, this drawing, by the way, does help explain like basically the entire dynamics of this group. And that's it. That's Eternals. Very bad. So, I guess, what made them turn on the Celestials? Earth was going to get destroyed. And that's bad to them compared to other planets because... That's bad enough. So, when we talk about moral implications, if you are presented with, let's assume, because the film doesn't really address this, let's assume that the consequences for intervening in a conflict will mean that Earth gets destroyed by the Celestials. Even though we have no reason to assume that based on everything in the film. If you are presented with the trade of Earth against all life in the universe, like that's an easy trade. And there has, like, what does that say about you that you're unwilling to make that trade because you don't want to get involved? And that's assuming that that's the consequence because we're never told that that's what would happen. They just, they're not supposed to. And again, is it a human conflict? Isn't that, because people talk about what's Thanos' role, like, what is he? Because I'm pretty, I don't know, like, surely he would constitute if Ultron wasn't enough, if Loki wasn't enough. Come on. Well, I've heard now that, I don't know, this is not from the film clearly, but is it that Thanos was doing his plan in regards to the Celestials? I don't know. Meaning he wanted to wipe out half of life everywhere to slow down how quickly Celestials would be born and thus destroy planets. Well, the funny thing is is that something that was mentioned was that when half of humanity got wiped out, it's like, oh, that delayed the emergence. It's like, yeah, that thing that you're meant to make happen. Like, man. I should care about that. I'm meant to assume that Thanos knows about the Celestials and that his, dude, if his plan wipes out half the Celestials, why wouldn't the Celestials contact every eternal that they have? Well, here's a better question. If people are assuming Thanos' plan was to wipe out half of life to prevent the emergencies happening on different planets, why not just use the snap to wipe out Celestials? Yeah, if that's, yeah. And to be fair, I think that's bullshit rat conning because Thanos didn't mention anything about that whatsoever. He did not. No fucking way. He fails to mention to all the people trying to stop and kill him that, hey, guys, I'm trying to save you, by the way, in this manner. Like, literally, there are people who are going to destroy your planet. I'm trying to stop them. Yeah. So that sounds like bullshit. To be fair, this entire movie sounds like bullshit. Yep. I think that's, it's about right. So you're saying you wouldn't recommend myself and Rags go see it? I mean, the problem is that it's probably that the Celestials are quite important in the Marvel universe, aren't they? Yeah, from what you've said. Yeah. Like, that's kind of the thing. It's like, maybe it's something that should be watched because it's important in terms of its implications on the universe. Post-credits scenes, which I forgot. So the first one is Harry Styles is Thanos' brother and he just teleports on to the ship with Thena and Makara and Druog who've gone off into space. They're like, oh, we haven't heard from the guys on Earth. Oh, Arashim. Oh, yeah. If you guys didn't think of that, all right. And then he just teleports on the ship. He's like, um, well, help you out. And then the second one is that, um, Dane is like, he opens up like a box with a sword in it. And then I think it's, um, fucking Blade says something to him. I didn't watch that one. Yeah, I left. But that's, that's what I've heard that one is. Yeah. So that's, that's the film. So yeah, you say, like, we're seeing to keep track of stuff. That's the whole reason you just spoke for the last hour. Keep track of stuff? At what point does that just like, well, yeah, we're at that critical mass point where it's like, dude, it's, I gotta just start at ignoring big chunks of this universe. Absolutely. We said this about Loki and it's consistently a thing. Loki just kept coming up while we talk about Eternals. It's like, that's its legacy. It just keeps getting in the way of everything. Yeah. And so it just starts getting ignored. Um, yeah, it's really bad. Um, I Wow, that sounds, that sounds terrible. My brain is going into convulsions right now. I think many aneurysm hot spots in my synapse is just trying to attempt to make sense of everything that they've done. I'm honestly pretty exhausted by trying to, because a lot of it was me trying to like rack my brain to just try and figure it all out. But when I first watched the film, I'm like, so that's definitely no higher than a three. Now I'm at like a two, possibly leaning towards a one. Um, just because of the stuff to do with the celestials and everything to do with that. Is there anything you'd praise? No. Like some of the shots are nice. Um, the music is good at points. Um, I guess everybody's trying like the acting like everybody's trying. Um, I guess the problem is the problem is I don't know that any character fully escapes like the implications of a lot of just their conduct throughout all of except for maybe Icarus, but then he decides to like not do that right at the end and then kill himself. And I'm not sure I, you know, I'm not sure what I think about that. Um, because like if the I Yeah, I don't know. I think that's the problem is I sit here and it's like, I don't I don't know what what I would talk about that I think is really good because I just don't feel like the character dynamics. I don't feel like there's much that you can pull from that and that's all you can pull from because plot world building is just like, and I guess the theme is the theme is like, hey, you should protect things you love. It's like, man. All right. That's Do you disagree, Fringy? Do you disagree? But the film disagrees because the Eternos didn't do that for like thousands of years. Well, I was going to say the idea that the undoing the Thanos snap is what earned humanity the right to be protected. It's like, fuck you. How did the how did the other races earn protection? Shit. Well, here's an interesting question, though. I guess Xandar doesn't have a celestial scene in it or any number of hyper advanced civilizations out in the universe who surely they've done really impressive things that humans haven't done by virtue of the fact that they can travel through space freely. They've been around way longer and because it simultaneously says humans are really special human Earth is a really special place where everything's happening and also humans are shit. Well, yeah. It's funny, isn't it? Humans are awesome, but also they suck, but they're pretty great, aren't they? It's mostly just that they're conveniently around. Everything needs to happen. I just think this film is pretty vacuous in terms of its commentary on humanity. Like, I don't know that it tells me anything meaningful about the way that our societies have because it's really the problem is it's like when you're just there like, oh, yeah, all of these bad things that happen. It's like, well, there is a broader context surrounding all of this that is worth examining when we talk about the strength, the merits, and the faults of humanity and human societies and things like that. We don't really do that despite this film jumping back and forth between time all the time. We only ever get like, oh, look, Mesopotamia, oh, Babylon, you've heard of Babylon, right? Oh, look at these flash points, but we don't really dig into anything about commenting on the way that humans operate and what our merits and faults are and what we should do to change that or whether the Eternals ever proposed like systems of government or, you know, ever tried to interfere in that way to try and lead us, like couldn't that be a story where they did interfere and actually made things worse? So is it our intelligence or their love for us that made them decide to save us? Basically, Ajax, like, yeah, they suck, but also I've seen them, they like, they love and then they create stuff. That's really cool. I like them. And it's funny, because she has memories of past planets. So she's been to many planets where she was indifferent, I guess, to their demise. Yeah. But humans. Humans are special. Or just that special. Even though the MC was shown that is not the fucking case whatsoever. Yeah, we're not special. I mean, Xandar is basically Earth, but better. This is more advanced. Yeah, Xandar is great. I'm very curious about Xandar is because you've got to be careful. You don't want to make the point that humans are capable of love as a species implying that the others aren't. You're like, we got a lot of characters, you're just murdering. I think the problem is that they don't think that's what they've done, but that's kind of the implication if this planet is special, but all the other ones, whatever. Because she says maybe this time and she says that this planet and the people on it changed me. It's like, oh, so it is just Earth is also designed for again. Why would you make it so the capacity to betray you? Why do they have the capacity to betray you? Why do they have the capacity to make any decisions that defy your instructions in terms of what you want them to do and to give them the capacity to create a tech, a piece of technology that can kill you. There should be like a it's like you the three of us have to defend a hallway of aliens coming in. We set turrets and then like give the turret free will. It's like, what? Why? The turrets turn around. Maybe the aliens are right. Oh, no. That's the big thing. Why give them personalities because you had to like they've got personalities, they've got once and they've got desires and fears. Why would you ever give them these things? Why would you not just make them basically automatons that just kill deviants and then leave them patrolling the planet all the time killing them, not interacting with society? Like you should just have them as drones like the Iron Legion just going around killing deviants. Why would you give them free will so that they have the capacity to portray you? I don't know why you'd ever do that. Except if you want this plot to happen. Oh, there's a greater context that we're still unaware of that we'll find out about in Eternals 2. I don't see how there's any greater context to explain all this. It was Agatha all along. What about that? Yeah, baby. She was mind controlling the the Celestials. She's messing with them. And we'll find out all about that in her show. Eternals. That, ladies and gentlemen, is EFAP's encouraging coverage of Eternals. So that's something I don't want to talk about anymore. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if we do a fully FAP for Hawkeye the show. That'll still depend on what's in it. Much like the other three shows where I'd like to remind everybody, we did not intend to cover Wandavision. We did not intend to cover Falcon the Winter Soldier. And I'm pretty sure... Yeah, I think Loki... Wait, no. We watched episode one and we immediately... Loki was the one to piss us off immensely straight away. The other two took some time. I think Falcon the Winter Soldier was episode four. It went from being just bad to offensively bad. Yeah, we've got to talk about this. I imagine maybe Hawkeye because Hawkeye is a character that I'm mildly invested in. So it's like, oh, be careful, guys. You don't have to see how they destroy him. It'll be interesting. Well, yeah. Again, we just don't have the time to settle between topics. I guess we're just going to have to jump to the next one other than saying, I'm guessing you'd say avoid Eternals. I wouldn't recommend it. As for keeping up to date with the MCU, it's just again, that's it. You got your update. That's it. You got it. You'll be fine. And hopefully... But dude, Hawkeye's out in like two weeks. Yeah, but it's not finished for what? Like a month and two weeks? Well, I guess it's not finished until Christmas, right? So... Plenty of time. Plenty of time. Yeah, good. Oh, but, yeah, yeah. We got Spider-Man, which that's all. We're all keeping our eye on that. We shall be. Dude, everyone will talk about it. There will be a million terrible takes and one good take. I'm not going to say who it's from, okay? I'm not saying who it's from. I'm just saying there's going to be one good take. So, I don't know what to say with this. Rags, do you want to try? Well, everyone, as many of you know, I'll try not to get too long into this, but I guess it's more of a PSA than anything. But someone gifted me with a Gold Edition of Battlefield 2042, and that released in the wee hours of November the 12th. And I've played it, and I've got about... I think I have about, let me double-check. I think I have da-da-da, 11 hours that I've put into it. And I'm done. Battlefield 2042 is shit. I have very, very, very little in the way of good news to the fact that probably won't come out. Battlefield 2042 began its life span as... I started it, and I'm like, this is pretty eh... And the more I play it, the more bad it's actually bad, guys. I am seriously considering starting to play Battlefield 5 because I've seen a lot of the comparisons. But I've been playing a lot of Battlefield 1 lately. Been really doing that a whole bunch. And Battlefield 2042 is bad. I'll run down a few things that might be... of note to a lot of people. Battlefield 2042, there is no scoreboard. Why, what do you mean there's no scoreboard? I mean, there is not a scoreboard. Like, you can't just press a button to see what your score is and what other people's score is? Oh, correct, yes. That's because there's no scoring system or points. I... Why? I know, there isn't a scoreboard. This is often shocking to many people. But it's true. There is not a scoreboard. You cannot press tab or whatever the button is on consoles. You cannot press your scoreboard button and see two big lists on the left and right of all of the people on the two teams with their name, kills, deaths, score, ping. That doesn't exist. And you can't really see it for yourself either. You can see your you can see some personal stats, your kills, your deaths, your revives. I would hope so, but I don't understand why you would ever not let people see the total cumulative score of the team and all that. So that means that ultimately if there's someone hacking or cheating, you won't be able to tell by the scoreboard. You cannot check what your ping is or what someone else's ping is if they kill you mysteriously. You can't tell if you're doing extremely poorly relative to the rest of either team. Yeah. But also part of this is because there's no scoring system or points in this game. You don't get points. You get experience at the end of the map at the end of the game, but you don't get points. There's no points to put up on a scoreboard because there's no scoring system. That's if I The days of saying, oh, I only had three kills, but I have 5,000 points because I healed in game ammo and repaired and those days are gone. Those don't that doesn't exist anymore. That's not a. There are no stats page for your soldier so you can't check your account stats like battlefield one. It'll say your top vehicle your top weapon your top this your accuracy things of that nature you're not going to have that anymore back when battle log was a thing that people used. Yeah, it was dense with its statistics when loss rates all kinds of stuff a huge count of different metals and things that doesn't exist anymore. However, why do you think that is well, we'll get to the end of that because I think it will become clear as we progress. Yeah, there is no server browser in a battle game like literally the only way that you find servers is a server browser you you set to like okay under 100 ping or whatever you want and then you filter by you know which ones are full and all the full ones are near full ones you click on them and either you get in or you sit in the queue for a moment and then you're in right and one of the reasons that there might not be a server browser is because the lobby disbands after every game why why after every after every game is over we nailed this ages ago with how it adds new people who have left but it keeps the player I thought we nailed this since like 2004 after every game all of the players go back to a main menu and they're split up from each other then they're split up and then you press your squad will stay together back in the menu but you can't but there's not like a server that has a queue and all the players stay in that server and keep playing maps until they leave so you just have to like research for matches after every game you just click play and it puts you in a game and hopefully you'll like it but does it put you in a game right at the start or will it drop you in like in the middle if you do that I've been dropped into games that are in progress well I guess that's what I mean what if I just want to start right from the beginning in the lobby that I'm in do I just have to take my chances with a search and hope that I get them right at the start you don't have any other option if you want to play if you want to play Conquest I don't know what the new fucking name for it is it's Conquest the new name Conquest you press play and then it will put you into a Conquest game hopefully one where that's in your zone or region hopefully hopefully however well if it puts you into a game and you don't like the squad you're in you cannot choose the squad you want to join you have to go to a dropdown you have to go to like a list of something it's like a list of your team and right click on your name and then there's a change squad button and it randomly will assign you to a different squad you can't choose the squad you want to join and you also can't lock your squad if you just want to play with some friends of yours and don't want to random in there for whatever reason and you also cannot swap teams so if one of the teams getting beat down or if there's a clear discrepancy in the amount of players per side you do not have the ability to swap teams it's not an option I love how you're describing all these features I remember that from the 2000s what the hell's going on I have no idea from it's pretty terrible because that went hand in hand with other battlefields where you're in a server the game goes and goes and then sometimes at the end of the game people will leave because I'm done playing for now and then that might uneven the player list for a bit so you could go to the team with less people in it to even it out and also you have more targets to shoot but you can't do that anymore there is no all chat there's no game chat you can't talk to your team and your squad your party you cannot type anything to the enemy team that's very toxic and that is a goddamn shame because I loved all chat in battlefield 4 and battlefield 1 it was great you could converse with the other team and you can't do that anymore there's no all chat so that time when I was in battlefield 1 I shoted the driver with my rifle but the momentum of his car ran me over and we both said we both commented on it in the all chat it's not going to happen anymore that doesn't happen, it's all done the removing all chat from League of Legends as well which is famous for all chat has been since it was made I'm assuming is there some kind of logic of all chat is mean probably well that's probably what a lot of us has designed to do everything that's even approaching competitive that's been stripped away that's why you can't stay in a server with people that's why there's no scoreboard there's no scoring system that tears the best people up top and the worst at the bottom there's no stat page to see how well you're doing there's no server browser where you could keep going back to the same servers and see the same people playing and recognize names because I do that in battlefield 1 and battlefield 4 and stuff I would be like oh I know that guy, he's good before I've played with him I know this person, I know this group of people who play because you recognize them after playing with them a while and in this that's just not going to happen talking about removing a feature that has loads of benefits where we had this before if not yesterday so there is there's no real class system in the game anymore everybody can just have whatever they want there's no I guess this is sort of together right so you have no class system anymore there's no specialist instead of soldiers one of the soldiers is disabled not in his bio which wouldn't surprise me well one of them is non-binary but one of the characters has a shield that they use and because of a bug it's disabled so on launch one of the 10 specialists their ability it is disabled so bravo at level 30 you unlock the specialist with wall hacks so luckily I don't think anyone's really gotten to level 30 yet so that's not an issue but fuck me playing this game when you can unlock the specialist that can see through walls this is what? the specialists don't have different powers one of them their powers that they can see through walls is it like temporary? I fucking hope so I would hope it's temporary but yeah this is a game about the united states army fighting against the russian federation army and there are no russian or american soldiers in this game so why because they have the specialists that are all from different places right different countries yeah they're the no-pats they're not part of any country so why are the teams russia and america then because I don't know the mercenaries signed up to fight for the countries I guess it's very odd to look around and see the same clones of the people with names and personalities and special voices instead of just seeing soldiers that were designated roles because in battlefield 1 you see 5 assaults running in a direction that's fine those are 5 soldiers amongst many other soldiers you have a role and in this you see 3 especially at the end screen when they show your squad together of course they show 4 of your little poses with your crazy skins you have your little they're all a bunch of random assholes none of them are interesting or clever or anything like that they're all just a bunch of random assholes and so when you see your squad lined up at like the end or whatever and it just has 4 of the same clone it's very very uncanny it just doesn't work in battlefield I won't bitch much much longer the thing is it's a part of cause call of duty has their crazy little operators too like even the new one vanguard which is sent in world war 2 they're crazy super duper awesome operators as opposed to just generic soldiers we are long past the phase of just generic soldiers you're not a soldier in an army anymore you are a very very special snowflake which is what the army is really all about is being super individual and super unique really standing apart from everybody else instead of being a cohesive gear and a machine that does a job efficiently where you are part of something larger than yourself yeah I mean also battles are fun it's fun to be here fighting people it's not like intense or you know it's not it's an adventure where you do dances and stuff in the middle of battle speaking more on the specialist because it's an army of the same it's an army of 10 potential specialists against an army of 10 potential specialists they all look the same different is that some of them have little red lights on them and your guys have little green lights on them as opposed to as opposed to in old battlefield games where each different side each faction had different characters for each class in particular battlefield 1 did a great job all of the Austro-Hungarians looked unique all of the Germans looked unique all of the Brits looked unique all of the Australians looked unique they would have different uniforms for them too so if you were playing one of the naval maps for the Aussies or the Brits they would have their own like naval outfits but they would all be the same you could tell who was in each arm just by looking at someone if there was no HUD you'd be like oh that's a German over there I could tell by his uniform oh that's a Brit over there I could tell by the uniform you had appropriate teams depending on the map like in battlefield 4 there was always a US side depending on if you were fighting on a China map you'd be fighting against the Chinese and if you were fighting in a Russian area or somewhere else you'd be fighting against the Russians and in battlefield 1 if you were fighting in the Gallipoli campaign you had the Turks and then if you were fighting in Italy you had the Italians versus the Germans there were appropriate depending on which map you were on you were playing as the appropriate faction no factions battlefield no longer has factions you are one of 10 very special operators and you know for some reason to fight each other for seemingly no reason at all so that's great there has been a massive removal of movement mechanics and animations so I have not played battlefield 5 past the beta but I have watched comparison videos on the reddit oh the battlefield 24-2 reddit it's just a dismal horrible place right now everyone hates it oh the loss was too subreddit when that came out kind of everyone's bitching about the game but there's all kinds of different animations and things that they added for battlefield 5 because there's a lot of legitimately excellent things in battlefield 5 that they added like crouch sprinting can't do that there's no prone aiming like if you're like on your back and aiming that's not a thing anymore there's no getting blasted back by explosions that are nearby there's not a lot of like if you if you jump off something that's tall you'll do a little roll when you land a lot of the stuff it's just gone oh also battlefield 2042 no leaning you can't even lean anymore there's no leaning from cover to shoot that's the thing they took out as well why would you take it out if it's a feature yeah battlefield we don't have the battlefield 5 fortification stuff where you can set up bollards to stop vehicles set up turrets set up sandbags, bar the windows to things that's not a part of the game anymore can't do that you can't shoot grenades out of the air or throw back grenades they've removed revival animations as well those are gone now so yeah a lot of stuff that simply isn't in there we have no squad spawn screen by the way so when you in battlefield 4 in particular if you'd click on somebody to spawn on them you could see their screen, their perspective so what they're looking at so that was very useful that's gone you don't need that let's just define how useful a thing is and then end with it's gone you'll have to take my word on this until you check it for yourself sound effects and the sounds of the game are kind of crap compared to old battlefields that's like battlefield strong suit yeah this is something a little bit more easy to comprehend so there's only 22 weapons in the game when you say 22 weapons you're not referring to all weapons are you in order to answer that question what I'll do is I will post you this picture that I have prepared that is the battlefield 2042 weapon no no way wow holy 4 assault rifles you have 3 sidearms 4 SMGs 4 assault rifles 2 light machine guns 3 marksman rifles 3 sniper rifles 2 shotguns and a lever action gun dude you didn't make a campaign it was all multiplayer 22 are there modes with different amounts of weapons or is it you can play the portal mode which I haven't looked at yet but those are just old things this is the mode I assume this is 2042 the game this is the guns there are games where if you would told me there are 20 rifles I'd be like uh huh it's called battlefield 4 you see in battlefield 4 when the game launched there were 77 weapons in vanilla battlefield 4 they added more with DLCs but just to put into perspective in vanilla battlefield 4 there are 13 sidearms well I because I remember in vanilla battlefield 4 there were different rifles depending on which faction you were in you would start with one of the other rifles well you have the option of using so I'm 11 hours in I have unlocked an assault rifle a marksman rifle a shotgun yeah that's it so yeah so the lack of secondaries in particular is staggeringly bad because that will greatly affect what primary you use because you can't synergize between your primary and secondary weapon which was a huge part of battlefield 1 that I loved by the way um and it's bad enough that there's only 22 weapons they are horrifically balanced the submachine gun which you'll get into later is better at shooting at range than the assault rifles are these games horrific gun play in bloom the second marksman rifle is shockingly better than the first and it's better than the sniper rifle and I've been killed with a shotgun once because these maps are massive and we'll get into that in a moment as well yeah why would you ever use a shotgun like look at this map on screen god so wide and open how'd I play it for 11 hours because I'm a huge battlefield guy and I love playing battlefield and I wanted to give this game a really fair chance and from what you've I'm assuming the conclusion here is just why would you continue playing this instead of a different battlefield I'm honestly probably not ever gonna play 2042 again maybe in like 3 years if they haven't canceled it then I might check in and see how it's doing but yeah I have no desire to play this I'm literally going to go back to playing like battlefield 1 this is a history there right of battlefield games getting better over time sometimes right I'm very unfamiliar battlefield 4 is like the best example of that yeah battlefield 3 went to battlefield 4 and then even from 4 to battlefield 1 I never gotten to hardline but even going from 4 to 1 you could clearly tell that there was improvements made and changes in some experimentation going on but yeah and I heard that as I didn't buy 5 mostly based on principle reasons but I think because I got I guess to talk about later I did get a game pass so maybe battlefield 5 was part of game pass because there are legitimately really good things about battlefield 5 that they changed and a lot of work clearly did go into that game but that's its own weird side story so from what I remember 5 was another 4 situation where like at launch it was pretty bad in terms of just balance balance content it just didn't have content when it joined when it launched there was the controversies of the weird cyborg women stuff saying don't buy it, not that weird shit and then there was the lack of content aspect but there was legitimately a lot of really good carryovers from 1 in improvements and animation additions, destruction and destructible environment changes that were great and I guess the thing here was well battlefield 5 underperformed so fuck it we're just going to start from the ground up because this game feels like it's just started from the ground up don't worry guys more season passes you know you can get those starting very soon as bad as it is to only have 22 weapons and the fact that they're horrifically balanced already there's only 7 maps that's also they're the portal maps too right that are remakes of the old but 2042 is a game that I purchased and that needs to have the game that I bought like portals great and all but I bought 2042 and I expect a new battlefield game with its own content especially because you didn't have single player well yeah I was about to say because didn't battlefield 3 launch with 11 maps well battlefield 4 I checked it launched with 10 but it's bad enough it's bad enough that there's only 7 it's bad enough that there's only 7 maps I have not been able to play 2 of them no maps right because you can't play the server you can't I've spent a great deal of time trying to join games and then getting an error that sends me back into the lobby I have not been able to play discarded and break away those maps I've seen the loading screens for discarded many times in particular but I have not been able to actually play it it insists on always loading manifest fuck that map in fact just all the maps not really I don't really care for any of the maps it's not a fan of the maps and I think part of it is because there is 128 players in a game now instead of 64 fuck me you would think that doubling the amount of players would mean it's a lot more exciting no no it's not huge spans where there's just nothing happening and then there's massive cluster fucks over in other places this is just if the game is very boring often times you're desperately going to be looking for action and things what about the weather stuff how's that the new weather system I'll get into the weather and just a little bit it's further down on the list it does make a mention here yeah map selection is pathetic and I don't think the maps are well designed at all there's far less building destruction when compared to battlefield bad company 2 or battlefield 3 or battlefield 4 or battlefield 1 or battlefield 5 in particular the destruction is far less I don't I don't think there's just buildings you could just drive tanks through anymore I just don't know if that's still a thing that even exists there's a lot of stuff that they've removed like battlefield 5 you could take health and ammo from players who carried it so you didn't rely on them to throw it to you or give it to you that's not in this game when you are when you're downed when you are downed and you're incapacitated waiting for a revive there is no more near my medic indicator and you can no longer when somebody is downed and you can see that they're downed you can't press Q on them to let that player know that you're coming to revive them this was an insanely useful feature that was in the battlefield didn't 3 have that as well I don't think you could you couldn't let a player know through the spot system because you'd get an indicator that a player was downed and if you press Q that player would get a notification this player who was this many meters away is a medic and they are coming to get you and that is a very useful thing yeah that's not in that doesn't that's not in this game anymore in one year down on the ground of course now that now when you're downed you are in third person so that you could see your skin which I'm sure that they'll have many to sell you in the future and it's difficult to see who's a medic and who isn't a medic that sounds like a great upgrade yeah it's really great I'm really glad they did that let's see there is you cannot call up to downed allies map indicators for downed allies if I have an ally who's downed and I see their little downed icon and it's hundreds of meters away and it still shows me that they're downed and this adds to the incredible visual clutter that is in this game in terms of the UI and how many how much shit is just on screen at one time can you choose what is like you choose anything to change any of that or is it all just set I don't think so I looked for UI changes in terms of like opacity and what things to enable disable and I don't think I couldn't find it maybe I'm just missing it there's no zoom in zoom out for the minimap which could be useful sometimes that's just a feature that they've not had there is a tactical sprint because we're out we ought to be call of duty now it has no downsides there doesn't seem to be any penalty for tactical sprinting in terms of ADS time and whatnot there's severely limited vehicle customization in terms of the stuff you can actually put on your vehicles and you know countermeasures missiles that sort of thing yeah even battlefield 1 those are like an attack plane you could have three different presets for ground support or tank busting or plane killing you know which for a sheer amount of options wasn't fantastic but you had all of your roles as essentially like a plane spec that you could spawn as the performance is really bad the game I have a 2080 TI and an i9 90 900k it's like shit game runs really bad it's tough to play and if it's hard if the game runs poorly then it's difficult to aim and there have been plenty instances where a person is right in front of me or I'm waiting for them and they come around the corner and I cannot track them because the FPS is so dog shit really really bad performance it's also very very buggy more buggy than normal there's a lot of huge bugs like if you if you're downed in your head on your character model is anywhere like close to a wall you're not revivable in things of that nature if you're in a bush you might not be revivable you can grappling hook onto smoke clouds because the game thinks that there are objects all kinds of weird stuff like that really it's really really crappy the UI is miserable in terms of selecting your weapon attachments getting into games changing your weapon attachments going through your specialist stuff when you're on screen what you see your death screen and what you see what it chooses to show you and what it doesn't show you the tab menu this the UI is garbage it's horrifically bad it's a pain in the ass to do things as simple as change what weapons or sorry what attachments you want on your weapons your screen is constantly in game cluttered with indicators whether they be objective points or soldier waypoints or vehicle things spotted indicators downed icons there's just so much shit on your screen it's super cluttered when it comes to game modes there's no TDM no domination so the small modes that like war pigeons in battlefield one not coming back there's not a mode like that there's not a domination not a TDM and those would be fun to jump into you just get into a little game and just shoot people up in a 16 or something like that there's only two modes which are conquest and operations that's not what they call them but that's what I call them there's essentially the conquest mode and then there's the rush style mode and Jesus Christ rush with 128 people fuck that I played one game of that shit on kaleidoscope map and it was just it was misery but those are just the bullet points I put down before we started the thing that's it's the game is soulless it feels like it's been stripped bare of content none of the fun none of the parts feel like they fit together the games don't feel like there's 128 people I don't get nearly the amount of like action that I feel I get another battlefield the games and like the gunplay is terrible like the shooting in the game is terrible it's it's super luck based and there's this horrific random bullet deviation there if you go into the battlefield subreddit you could see people posting all of their clips of just bullets not counting and horrific sprays when you when you're shooting and bullets just going all these weird different directions and as if that wasn't bad enough because any gunfight past 30 meters is just essentially a dice roll but when you shoot there's so much muzzle flash and so much shaking it is miserable to shoot people at distance and half the games that you play it's going to be in the dark in the rain so that muzzle flash is just going to cover up your screen and it's going to be miserable to shoot people if you can even see them because so many of these maps there's so much foliage and so much crap in the way and the way the games graphics look it's just miserable to try and see people I mean it's miserable to just play the game it's not even in the balance of the guns is bad too with the few that you actually unlock after 11 hours when you spawn into the game your character does like this bullet chamber animation where they check the chamber to see if there's anything in it because we have to be modern warfare 2019 and that has already gotten me killed because if you spawn in a hot zone or if the game spawns you out in the open which is always fun then you'll be checking oh is there a bullet in my chamber and you'll just get shot because you can't do anything and your chamber animation is preventing you from playing the game but are the animations cool at least because modern warfare 2019 had really cool animations they're fine like we got reloading while ADSing that's cool it feels funny that it's flipped again because it was a time when it's like battle foods like way better than Call of Duty like what are you talking about battle foods and then modern warfare 2019 came out and that game is really fun and cool and then it has those awesome reload animation and you can see here because you can see on display the tactical run it's like man we're just like man Call of Duty because again it feels like it's flipped and battlefield is like chasing trends again we have one more thing that I've written and then my list is done so at the beginning of each game because it'll put you into the beginning of a game so you get into a certain lobby whatever game whatever it's even called now and you're waiting to spawn you're waiting to begin the game you have to deploy when the game begins you have to deploy you're not allowed to just wait in those screens to look at the map and stuff you cannot wait until all of your attachments are set where you want them dude what if I want to pause and take a piss I assume that's not AFK prevention that's literally just something it's just the way it is well if you're AFK then either way you'd either be you'd be AFK in a menu or you'd be AFK in the game but what this means that if you don't get your ass in a vehicle at the beginning of the game you in seriously like 30 40 other people around you there is this massive breakneck sprint at the beginning of every game that all of the players make towards whatever they can because when it spawns you're forced to spawn and if you haven't selected a vehicle which is the vast majority of your 64 players on your team your ass gets stuck on the ground on your feet in your deployment on these maps designed for 128 people so you might have to start the game with a 200 meter sprint to an objective that the vehicle people already captured awesome and it's difficult to tell when you like spawn into a vehicle at the beginning because it's just the way that the UI is designed am I going to be the driver am I a gunner is this one already taken am I it's misery the game starts out with misery it's just it's just shit like this is a we lost so much it's like a bunch of random losers got put in charge of battlefield now and they have you said that you were leading up to a point and I feel like the point is already obvious this game is like significantly watered down for like mass appeal it's funny because battlefield was already like you know mass appeal game pretty mass appealing yeah but it feels like it seems like it's been watered down it's like alright so what are the trends now so we need to have like season pass we need to have people keep playing this game over the course potentially battle royale and it's like alright so how do we do that operators super cool duper operators that you get these crazy skins for it's going to be awesome and just operators in general because then you can give them like all crazy little animations and things that they do in their unique shout outs and stuff like that and we need to build this game to like make sure that there's always content that keeps coming out whether or not that means there's compromise launch product whatever because it's the product it's the live service we got to make sure that people keep playing it and we got to make sure that it is similar to other games that are popular right now so that people feel like they can transition over easier rather than making the game that appeals to because we're not interested in like battlefield fans anymore you know we need the shooter fans in general broadly and so like now they've created something that isn't really it's battlefield but like really watered down it seems like I think it goes into I mean when you when you tally all of the stuff that's not in the game no scoreboard no scoring system no points no server browser no alt chat the gunplay that makes shooting at things very very strange once you get past like 30 40 meters it just feels like it's super watered down for the most casual random people they've tried to remove any elements of competitiveness from your you are not in battlefield 2042 that guy on the other team who did really well last game I am going to get him next game I'm going to show him that I am better I'm going to beat him I'm going to beat his team I'm going to find out where he is I'm going to get him because I'm better than him and I'm competitive and I'm going to show him what for I'm going to do my best motivated to get that asshole who killed me three times last game from his sniping spot or whatever and or his vehicle I'm going to take him on I'm going to beat him next game or if it's a really close game I'm going to stick in this server because these are fairly well balanced teams and I like a close game I'm going to stay in this server and it's all gone you can't talk to the other team I love it when people say oh regs is hacking or something like that I love it when there's some shit talk going on I love it it's great it's part of the experience I love it there's just no competition anymore it's not competitive it's all super it feels like there was a concerted effort to almost destroy the old sort of online space in terms of just like shit talking and banter and memes and you know like the sort of the uniquely online video game experience that we often bitched about in the past in terms of like shit talking and people on mics and stuff but like there's a charm to it or even just having a good squad of randos you want to stick with it's literally been a thing that I've done before not making friends online yeah I'll just jump into squad and random people even if they don't have mics they're playing well they're good at the scoreboard they will revive me and give me ammo I'm going to stick with them and play with them because I know this guy's good but in this game like if you took 2042 and you just if you replaced all of the players with bots your experience would maybe improve how buggy is this game by the way because I love the bait Brian yeah that's a surprise like you see that footage from the beta it's like my god you don't have long to fix this I think you'd asked about the weather I mean the weather's fine the game sort of looks alright overall it's just that it gets in the way of shooting a lot when you look at someone and you have your scope and your thing there's just such a lack of clarity when it comes to shooting at targets now that is very annoying right it was really nice and it makes you appreciate the old games that is a soldier I will shoot at him and these are my sights and that is what I'm shooting at and it's just great it's great you can see things it's great can you go prone in this game yes you can you can go prone in this game shockingly they haven't removed that sure give it time yeah oh you can't even move when you're prone you can't ADS and move and just stuff like that there's like a lot of just weird things that you just can't do it's really it's just so strange but hey you can run around fast and you can slide jump so that's cool you know there's the screen of hey look on the super duper soldier dude it's funny because Halo Infinite's doing it too you know like it's funny though when you tell me this and everything I've heard about vanguard I've heard so many bad things about vanguard sounds like Halo isn't a really good place to just get back on top when I played the beta for Halo thanks to you who gave me a friend code to check that came out early when I played that game in the beta I didn't like big team but I'm not generally a big team player but the 4v4 in Halo Infinite I legitimately had fun with and when I played it with some friends we had a good time we enjoyed 4v4's in Halo Infinite and if it is good if not improved in the real game I can see myself devoting time to it especially because the multiplayer is free and if the campaign is going to gain pass we are absolutely checking out the campaign hopefully it's good what about tornadoes and environmental hazards I don't know I didn't go to the tornado because it's a tornado and I just I'm just trying to play the game and it pops up more often than you think a tornado would just pop up in a battlefield you know but it's just like over there and I'm like okay I'm trying to play a game if you wouldn't mind leaving could you not tornado could you not be here I feel like I'm just thinking now because I remember when the first trailer came out everybody got really hyped but it was an in-engine trailer that didn't show gameplay and it's like I feel like how many times does this have to happen until it stops working until it stops working yeah but it's just effective marketing because it's a cool trailer but there's so many things you can glean from that's got me peepo sus and also this isn't the game there's that too what about the scope probably there's some pretty bad bugs if you arrange your scopes like in a certain way on your gun like if I have a sniper scope which is what you're going to be having because it's the one sniper you're going to have for quite a while because there's only 22 guns to spread for the unlocks you have to like you'll scope in and it'll be zoomed but if you like heal yourself or do like actions your scope will just not zoom in it won't be a scope it'll just be like a just an X on your screen that doesn't zoom in there's weird bugs like that but I mean there's you can unlock skins there's not that many camos and the skins for all the characters look pretty pathetic honestly a lot of the skins you want like if I'm falc the medic and if I heal a thousand people or whatever I get the special skin for her and it's like it doesn't really look like a medic honestly and it just looks super generic and it's like I don't feel any desire to play this game and I don't feel any desire to unlock anything or keep playing there's never a sense of I can't wait until the next game starts so I can get into the thick of it and have fun it's just it's such a I would I'd say the game is just bad I used to think it was mediocre and lame but I'm just gonna go out and say that 242 sucks play Battlefield 1 play Battlefield 4 play Battlefield 5 oh boy the true haunt tank um you consider in like maybe a mini dog bites thing on it or anything I might yeah I seriously might because I have some footage over it uh some footage from it that I've saved oh I was I was in a call when it first came out I was just streaming it in a discord with some peeps and there was a there was someone in there and uh we were talking about the specialist and stuff and the weapons in the game and she asked are you talking about apex legends no well that's one of the things did you mention that for me in terms of homogenizing as a hero shooter infection basically oh the hero shooter it's because it's way easier to like sell skins and every season you're like all right new operator you know new character so that's like your substantial piece of content but then it's just more it seems because people get attached to specific characters and then they want to get the skins for those characters as opposed to like medic skins or engineer skins it just seems to be hyper effective and I think that's the reason why basically every game is doing it like every shooter is doing it yeah as much as I like apex legends a lot to play I don't spend any money in that game because fuck giving them money um it's got a good battle pass and that one's really bad yeah it's it's got a good battle pass uh but like everything else is terrible we're talking like $30 for a gun skin a character skin and like a emote it's nuts it's insane like $20 for just a character skin in the first person it's it's shit but it's funny right because um I it's I gotta stop saying that because someone in the chat was like you know someone says it's funny but it's never funny you're right it's not funny it's depressing um there is always the discourse except for Halo that's right Halo is the one that's not doing the heroes which is kind of interesting because it's just still sticking with funds and the customization for them and that's that's fun um there there is a lot of complaining and criticism of this trend you know hero shooters and like um you know battle royales and season passes and skins and everything like that there's a reason why Battlefield 2042 is this way it's probably gonna make a lot of money it just makes a lot of money it's it's these games make so much money I'm pretty sure modern warfare like war zone makes a billion dollars more than that each year for Activision uh yeah why make a good Battlefield game when you could just make a shitty one and then sell seasons of content or sell skins or sell weapon oh you know they they only have 22 weapons you bet your ass they'll sell you more and it's not like it's not like a Battlefield 4 or Battlefield 1 situation or you had a game that was full of content and they made these big DLCs that had all these maps and new weapons and challenges and all kinds of stuff like that it's just no we're just gonna here's just uh yeah only 22 weapons to start out with Battlefield 1 had more weapons than 20. My impression is that um oh I think though what I get the impression is I think we're past the point where they're gonna sell you explicitly like weapons or characters I think we're past that point I think they've now that the model is you release the content all together but like season passes for skins and stuff that's that's where you make your money um because you keep the community together you don't break up the community but there is a lot of pressure on you you want to get into that season because once that season's done Halo is the exception where they don't lock you out of seasons most games will lock you out of that season when it's done it's done you had your chance to get the skin you failed um better like next time and so then there's just a pressure to keep playing the game to get super immersed into that one ecosystem and there's oh look at that guy he's got the skin ain't he so pretty look he got that skin wow I want that skin I really want that skin next season oh the new skin now fuck this the skin I worked really hard to get it's that new skin I want and it just keeps you locked into that ecosystem it keeps you buying things and paying into it and you keep playing it and you don't play other people's games um it's just that that's the that's the system and it's highly profitable I remember skin so much more wholesome when they started out in games I do um from from memory like League of Legends back when it first started there was a character I played a lot was Viagra for mid lane and there was a Gandalf skin for him because he's a wizard and I was like I want that and I don't care to get any other skin ever the Gandalf skin is the skin I will use forever like there's a referential and fun skins but you know the model like you just said now is like look at this fucking one how cool is that and you're like yeah that is pretty cool so you should get that off yeah and then as soon as like the tide was always like that would get this one look at the off look at this new yeah well it's all in trends the skin is cool for as long as nobody has it and then once everybody's got it the next one comes out and that's what people want um and it and again in a first-person shooter you can't see this you can only see it when you're dead or like at the end of the game when you do your little dance um but it's all about other people it's showing other people look at this thing I got that you don't the takedown so the so they're in in this game there are takedown animations if you get up behind someone every shooter now has takedown animations they're third person now in battlefield one and five they were fairly short and they were first person and it was it was based on the melee weapon you had so if you had a knife you would do a knife takedown or you'd like stab them and get behind them you stab them if you had a club you'd like beat them upside the head with it if you had like a pickaxe you know put the pickaxe into them and so they were all different and they look pretty good for first-person you know stuff and now they're now they look shitty and their third person because every shooter has them now you gotta have the third person finisher now so that you need to see my character that's right my character and my skin doing the takedown and your character and the animations crap too it just it's it looks really shit yeah I'm saying they're not good yeah they're not good at all they are bad animations I really I like that there is this fluidity in the battle so if you if you put the if you equip the dud grenade as a club that you can unlock in battlefield one just this big heavy grenade that's just a dud and it's essentially it's a club and if you go up behind someone and you melee him you just thunk him right on the back of the head and you keep going and it had this it's very satisfying to do because it doesn't like interrupt the flow of the game really you just thunk him on the head and they just they fall over and then you just keep going and it was really fun it was really kind of great huh good times not like times yeah I'm sorry I said it try to be short but I was wrong no that was short that'll feel 242 crap so moving on well if that's all you want to say oh there's another thing I forgot this is actually a big one this is not this is actually a big one that I hate and battlefield one and battlefield five whenever you damage enemies you or damage vehicles you will get a number that is first off points that you score because you score points for damaging the enemy which sounds like a pretty good idea but you see how much damage you've done in that number so if I have myself slaughter 1906 marksman from battlefield one and I shoot someone 36 damage yep 36 I got to hit him three times sparring leg shots and you know when you shoot at people how much damage you have done to them should I should I press an advantage if I got a lot of damage or is it even worth shooting at him from this distance if I'm shooting at a vehicle with another vehicle how much damage am I doing that that's not in 2042 they remove that when you shoot people and inflict damage you no longer get damage numbers for what you're doing so you don't know if you have to shoot him again you don't know how much damage your weapons are doing at ranges huh that's the way cod does it well in cod everything dies in two bullets so I don't know how useful that's true in this game with the ranges and the different kinds of weapons it's very useful to know like my submachine gun bullet damage at this distance it's really useful to know especially like if I'm in a minigun on the ground and I'm shooting at a helicopter I'm getting some hit markers but I don't know how much like is it even worth doing this I have no clue if it's even worth damaging and wasting my time peppering this gun this gunship up there with minigun fire because I just don't know if it's doing have I done 10 damage 20 have I done 5 is it just not even doing anything really you don't know so that's that's not in the game they remove that and that's fucking shit because that's a really awesome and useful thing to do and it's great when you throw a grenade like the other day I was playing battlefield 1 I threw a grenade and into like a bunker where there are a bunch of enemies and I did 272 damage I didn't get a kill but I did to like whatever number of soldiers I did a total of 272 damage and I was like wow that's kind of amazing I know that grenade did that much damage to that many people and I didn't quite get a kill from it that's not gonna happen anymore now I think I'm done no I'm not it's really the it's no I'm gonna stop I'm gonna stop there let's just proceed let's proceed I'm gonna stop there I won't talk about how miserable it is to hit people with vehicles and stuff like that you're welcome to do that I think people be interested to hear it no it's short that when you're in the air and you have like a minigun ship or a helicopter it is miss oh they're like spotting is completely different you don't spot people in a little icon pops up over their head which is fine to a degree I'm fine with a spotting change but you don't spot people anymore you just spot like a general area where you've seen someone which is alright for infantry but when you're in a helicopter or something and you're struggling to just make out people to shoot at especially when you have to be very precise with the minigun and you have to hit them a lot with it to kill people and like the little grenade launcher on the helicopter the attack helicopter is just crap it does such little damage and it flies so slowly in such a arching trajectory it's not fun to be in vehicles so that's that's another thing that I hate about it oh you can't dive underwater anymore when you swim you can't dive underwater to avoid being seen that's not a thing anymore you're just you're just stuck swimming on the top of the water you can't prone swimming to go underneath the water so that people can't see you and you're also not spotted when you're under the water so if you get spotted in the water you could dive and you're not spotted anymore why not have that in the game well I don't know I guess it's just one of those things that they thought wasn't worth making god man there's a lot of missing features did they like not carry this over from a previous engine or whatever this is clearly just it seems to be just it's probably the same engine of a kind but it's clearly not it wasn't made by the same people or it wasn't made by people who care or different teams worked on it without talking to each other and it doesn't feel like a battlefield game it feels like this weird like if a double if a random start up double a level company just sort of made this as this upper tier indie project I'd be like oh wow this is kind of impressive for his teams first go you know but yeah hmm yeah so frostbite the bad engine base no frostbite's good at being a battlefield thing it's good but you could fuck it up I mean battlefield 3 4 1 all these games use frostbite it's not good for some other things but it's good for the battlefield stuff um someone said apparently plenty of developers left to accept a battlefield one I could believe it because that's like the last one I really liked it's the last one I stuck with I still play it a lot of people still play it when's uh when is infinite out now uh it is coming out in December well the multiplayer I think is coming out in like days that's a rumor that's a rumor apparently it's an unsubstantiated one too so so who knows yeah because I guess we'll see Xbox is like tomorrow um I guess how it came out the same day so maybe you two are going to be right on that I'm assuming the daily infinite which means I should probably do it too to make sure that we're able to talk about it as a 3 yeah the battlefield's looking good looking good would you recommend it rags a little price no I would not recommend anyone play it regardless of the price unless you have sheer morbid curiosity it's not fun to play it's not fun to play let me take from ds2 to like only curiosity that's the only reason you're allowed to buy it yeah it is just not good don't battle for 2.141 or 2.0 has shit damn well yeah I mean you know I could take us to subject3. This is the last of a uh, of a discussion more How neat that's that's the vibe. All right, yeah, and um it would seem But the the the Ruge's plushies are already on their way to the public Indeed I've been getting some pictures and people have been telling me that their rags plushes have been arriving and they look pretty good I'm just gonna post them all in a row and you can say what I have a wish to say I've been trying to grab these from Twitter folks as well as I saw a few on Reddit There he is if you want to just post your rags hanging out in the real-world a woonie is just I'll try and get them together I'm will show a few on the old e-fab At least this very neat gives an idea for people who had no idea what the hell is even is These is the rags plushies. This is I believe nude rottics. By the way, just chilling out on his Arcade machine there keep and watch right. Yeah, that's all that one. That was a good one. Just making sure Shitty media doesn't doesn't slip past without commentary. It's the idea. That's right as if the stream hasn't already proved that We're we're tacking on tackling Eternals battlefield. Nothing's getting past us. No, we covered everything so far and there's even more Why are you post some of these? I guess it's slightly adjacent. So because battlefield was so shit I got the I got two months of the game pass for free because of discord I guess discord nitro or whatever so I downloaded back for blood and I played that with some friends And that was fun. That's some fun with that We'll tackle higher difficulties later Yeah, we pretty pretty neat. I thought that game was pretty neat worth a look We had more fun with that. I did with battlefield. Oh good Well, maybe maybe do any fat gaming for that at some point. I don't know I think that would make a pretty good e-fab gaming Yeah, yeah, these are these rags man. They're just a little set up ready to go As we said difficulty was a totally jacked. Yes, they are Yeah, it is but that's another thing for another time These are looking really good I was worried because mine looks, you know great and I was I was just there's always that little thing in the back of My mind like oh is the prototype just really really nice and the rest of them are gonna be kind of meh Are they gonna skimp on the quality, but these look good? Yeah Really glad hearing a lot of good approval of them. Obviously the my ones are gonna take a little longer apparently because of the tentacles It's a just a strange Addition to what are usually more simplistic plushies But they should be on their way as well Yeah, we got photos from across the interwebs obviously if yours doesn't show up I'm sorry if I missed it, but I try to grab quite a few Good Was it was a 3,000 rags out there is that what it was? Something like there. There's quite a few there's they're out there. They got a lot of buddies a lot of friends And they all seem so happy which is the important part Just chilling out with everybody talking about media. Oh, I reckon you'll like this one. Thanks. Look at that Hey It's so hippy. Yeah, it's a good one in the helmet. Yeah Yeah, they're all over the place and obviously because we talked to you lot Last stream, I can't remember if it was last year or not But it seems the the fan base would appreciate one plushie per year. It was the highest voted so All right, we will probably try and figure out what what the plan is in that regard That means it's not too too late in terms of the the realm of eternity in terms of getting your hands on a plushie that relates to us in some way Unfortunately, these ones Will not exist in another Thing I don't think anyway because we'll probably do different ones But check that one out. Look, he's on the computer probably trying to play battlefields and Yeah Oh, no rags. Did you get it the bees? No, not me. Oh my goodness I kept this one for last it just felt right. It's it's even grandma's tablecloth Appreciate this image because that is a Dangerous place to place your plushie. I assume it's clean. Yeah, no, of course we go wet Yeah, but it would be all wet is like, oh, no, he got here and they fell in the pot. I Assume This is right before you realize they opened the door and you're about to be outraged. I This is acceptable. Mm-hmm Yeah, thank thank you lot for sending them in like I said, I'll try and keep track of them So we can just show them off at the beginning of e-paps. Maybe that's how they're doing and I think the more the ones are on their way so Excitement abound now we've completed three forms of media coverage in just two hours and 15 minutes So we got plenty of time left fire Yes, which means there's clearly only one more or maybe even 10. I'm gonna give you guys This was the watch that I was using for the Battlefield footage to just ignore that I suppose but Our next topic is one that's kind of old in a sense in a sense what I mean by that is the Jay ruffled feathers back in the day. Well Jay ruffles feathers all the time And sometimes they're rather amusing feathers as I get ruffled This one is a fellow E-fapper in a sense if that word could be considered something of an action meaning to pause videos while responding to them You see there was a point. I think Jay did a stream where Like several content creators had You know because because of the Hassan stuff. I think this was prompted And so Joe's like checking out other people reacting to different videos one of them was The unfortunate. I don't even know that We've ever I think I've definitely seen Jay's video on this topic, but I don't know if you guys have about Jay responding to Zack Snyder about Batman. Oh This guy I think this guy's familiar like I've seen one of his angry Yeah, you must have seen something to do with this before this has always been like a thing where I was like We'll probably cover this one day because it's pretty funny but Someone decided they would cover Jay And Jay's video on Batman so we'll be able to look into the mind of Someone who does the thing that we do But you know their vision now we watched Hassan try to do this back in the day and his wasn't very impressive So let's see. Let's see this guy's Some ties corner. I guess ties TV corner ties TV corner I wonder what TY stands for shouldn't there be a dot after why though? I Think so I remember how that works, but maybe it's wise TV corner. I think I think yeah Apostrophe yes, um, so yes several people in China like they've seen this already. Well, you know what we haven't Give it a go like I said completely neutral, but just gonna see what the coverage is like We're gonna begin it. I think here is where he's he's aware of the video and he's bootin it up So let's have a look see we got since like that. We're doing multiple topics today So we're gonna go on this video for about seven minutes Why is the the text overlapping over the White block oh, I do see it on the on the bottom left. It does like what is that you should have moved it to the left Further so that the red of the so the exclamation mark doesn't yeah, I was gonna say you got a big white gap here Space that you could just did you why why and what also this this are this shadow man Oh, it's a it's a very fresh out of things to be fair. This person loves Snyder's content So it makes sense that his lettering is bleeding Pringy does it bother you that in the bottom right the little gray thing is just hanging off of the edge when nothing Yeah, I The black space just on the right-hand side why like that's just really weird Well, it's not just on the bottom. Look at the very top. Oh Yeah, what what is what is line? It's not even full. What are we doing? Yeah? I don't know. It's uh need some changes to get done there, but yeah Yeah, context-wise just big fan of Batman big fan of Snyder's work annoyed that Jay has made a video Critical of such Snyder isms. So let's see how it goes Killing I was like I was way out is a beloved character who is often although not always portrayed as having a strong Really bad start. Yeah, like very interesting voice. He's has yeah, if I was to try to do it impression it It's like that But I need to have smoked more. It's like Patty and Selma So yeah, Jay opens with saying like Batman as Has been seen to kill before but typically doesn't has a print of the meanwhile. You just have him going Let's see why this guy's butt hurts Even know you didn't use but you don't know you haven't seen the video all right great start. We'll see how it goes guys I I Someone posted this I just want to let you know it's important the Ohio butthole tickling bandit has escaped custody It is being hunted by police. So just be aware He's currently he's currently escaped a maximum security facility and the Ohio butthole tickling bandit is out there somewhere Does he um, is it are they Ohioans? Is that how they referred to because they should be terrified. I'm not sure I'm not sure really anyone from Ohio and chat you best lock your doors Butthole tickling coming in the general Ohio vicinity We don't know if the Ohio butthole tickling bandit is crossing state lines To tickle buttholes and other Commonwealths and whatnot. I know that plenty of people would be on board with a bit of a tickle But just don't you know be careful. That's all I'm saying be careful Indeed Character whose initial motivation was the loss of two people very close to him The unnecessary death is one of the last things he would want to be responsible for so then when we come to Batman v Superman. Oh, we've changed the UI I mean, that does look easier on the eyes, I will say yeah, yeah, this is just a minimalist Yeah, I like one of justice No, we got another one it it's it goes from the dark gray to the white and bright red. I'm like, ah my eyeballs I guess This is so something's throwing me off in terms of the alignment of the text. It feels like it's not quite centered over there Well, it's the it's not it's not the left to right sintering. It's the up to up to down sintering Yeah, that's what's throwing me off and also yeah, like also the one at the top You should have the daily show by bop. It should be in the middle of the logo Like if you're gonna do it, it shouldn't be up top. It shouldn't be at the middle of the logo The circle it should be in the middle of the whole thing Ties corner, but this show is by pop Show by pop and at the bottom. It's tie tee wise tires again e-corner Yeah, so I I'm lost so pop high if you look at the app for twitters is pop underscore culture So is his team called pop culture and he's tie He's pop. He's pop because this is the daily show by pop and he's clearly the only one responsible for this 2020 is he gonna have to update that this year. I think they just keep Someone gonna claim that name and really catch them out I was like, I was way out man is a beloved character who is often although not always portrayed as having a It only makes sense to see her whose initial motivation was the loss of two people very close to him The unnecessary death is one of the last thing To be responsible Okay, so that was that is not hard to follow Jay's making the sounds of guns That's that's one of those what we call rhetorical strategies where you just sound shocked So that people will be like you're right. He did make a bad argument. It's like all Jay did was make gun sounds. You're okay you're okay he then shows a picture of of Was it 60s Batman and then the screen goes red to imply he is indeed killing people in this Jay is not said anything incorrect yet or rather inaccurate yet What? But that's not necessarily a problem. Is it? That's nothing inherently wrong with exploring a darker version of the character One who's either turned his back on that code. He once lived by never had that I'm just saying what this is so bad to us like say something. What is he? What's the matter like what? What are you? What are you upset about? In the first place and exploring those ideas could be especially appropriate in a movie like Batman vs. Superman That's all about questioning the morality of our heroes and that's one where you could Why Considering how much I went Yeah, of course you haven't said any problems. Yeah, because Jay has only told you what reality is Man top notch so far Also, yeah talking over instead of pausing come on. We know you can do better than this One where you could Man without coming across what a giant gaping Really, I was excited to fence it someone says to me like oh like Batman killed a guy. I'm like Really, I'm like wake the fuck up. It's one thing. You have to get up to get up. Yeah, that's this is so edgy Holy crap. Okay Cuz it's funny for our position on this is is like what this is the closest we will come to agreeing with Snyder in that clip Because the rest of it it gets a little batshit. Um, I guess intended the things that he argues that Batman would do Killing is something that it's not even something I say that Batman would kill I'd say Batman is probably going to judging from all the things that he does And it's just something that it's very difficult to avoid and I think it would make for great storytelling to have him address it So I think Jay is relatively on that side as well It's the rest of the clip that becomes problematic as a word But I just I just love this guy's reactions to things Aspect of that character Like anyone who's unhappy Cheely the exact night of us Jay's trying to make points Yeah, you tell those guys also wait, why is so now the video is on top of ties corner cut off half of it Why is that happening Jay's video didn't change its size Jay's video leapt out of the screen Like I don't know how he would have done that in YouTube clearly TY has like Done something he's done something Is being an idiot is kind of pretty unreasonable There's nothing wrong with exploring the idea of a Batman who kills but acting like that's the only way Batman could be It's just like I'm sorry. What but Zach is just getting started here And then you come and say to me something about like oh my superhero wouldn't do that. I'm like, are you serious? Like all right, so first off down the fucking road He let Zach finish Present I could not interrupt him even on video Oh Okay, so first off he's taking this interview way out of context we haven't even gotten to the point He's clearly gonna respond to calm down He's picking what he wants from the interview and inserting it to create a narrative You don't know what We literally assuming it I know where this goes, but it's in what Zach says I think free does too But we like it hasn't been said yet Jay hasn't constructed a narrative yet. So like What are you responding to what the narrative is and The way that you highlight how someone's taking some out of context is to provide the additional context is missing That counters the narrative. We don't even have one Yeah This is have you seen this interview before if you've seen this interview before let me know in the comments because this interview is So basically Just feels very desperate a little bit All right, the interview like have you seen so in he's taking it out of context the interview is Like He sounds like the kind of person at this point there if you were to call and you're like, right Let's get one thing straight. Okay, so Batman was originally in a comic, right? He's like, I I know what you're doing I know what you're doing. You're like, what? You taking him being in a comic out of context you're like, okay, are we gonna continue? as He's explaining why Batman acts the way he acts and he gives pretty good reasoning Batman doesn't kill because he won't like he's bloodthirsty He kills. I don't know. He seems pretty bloodthirsty. He's pretty bloodthirsty of the BVS If you brand somebody and you know that that will get them killed in jail. That's like Also, I'm gonna torture you so that someone could kill you Later because of it. He's also screwed here because Zach already said he was responding to the idea that super my superhero doesn't kill He's so he's saying all of them do Like Zach is like, oh, how cute you think your superhero wouldn't kill someone. It's like it's not even about Batman anymore It's about all of them Yeah You know what bothers me too is even him and his own camera view is way over standing Space in a wall he's like crowded him over to the left at least you can see the Batman symbol It's like he's dodging laser lines from Resident Evil and he has to be over here definitive proof That any of the people in BVS that he attacks in the warehouse are dead, right? I mean Oh Does that matter compared to we know that he like landed his truck He's car Batmobile on top of a person. Do you remember that? I know that wasn't in the warehouse, but why does it matter? That's just we're talking about him killing people right? Also, how do you feel about Zack Snyder's Justice League where Wonder Woman is throwing the dude so hard into the world that they're skull splits? Yeah, I don't know if he's cool. I don't know. I don't know enough about Wonder Woman fans to know if they found that I Think it's one of them people not care. She kills people. I don't remember But I thought that didn't high-top say like in Patty Jenkins I Have everybody hates well Well, if you remember there were tweets that he liked saying To be fair. These are separate movies. They are separate in interpretations and so it's fine as In literally the same person in continuity. Yeah, like Wonder Woman 84 is separate continuity from Zack Snyder's Justice League It's like I mean, I guess it is because his isn't canon. Oh, they would be technically right, but they're not arguing it in that way No, I don't know. They would be like Man of Steel is not in continuity with BVS. It's like what yes, yes, it is And it's like no separate movies. They are they exist separately and you're like wow That Quinton logic, you know We naturally assume that the one that he hits with the with the crate obviously that guy might have died, right? Obviously Trust me a lot of people I'm pretty sure that if you get a crate thrown at your face so hard that you fly into the wall and crack Your skull remember the guy he punched so hard his face like planted into the ground Yeah, and also what about the dude he like threw that he didn't need to blow up someone with a grenade Or like he knocked the grenade out of their hand while it was live and then they got blown up and he stabbed somebody And he stabbed somebody not saying that that's a definite kill, but I mean we've got lots of big question marks Gadelb obviously might have It's an obvious might I guess you can say that valid Lee I suppose obvious might yeah Wait did that guy say might have or would have obviously might have I Guess his point is that we it's neither definite nor obviously he might have died saying like Or as it as to where it's ambiguous if he might have died we are strictly we're definitely not in the one or zero We're between it we don't know There is definitely a level of ambiguity I'm tempted to just randomly say what throughout Gadelb though Hit him in the temple with a with a 200 pound crate most likely dead I'm curious what this however will be Goes on to explain why he uses this version of the character. What this guy is doing is taking that video You don't know what he's doing. Yeah, we haven't gotten what Jay's done yet. Don't what Jay's evil plans are He's singing a part in creating a narrative to fit his video So yeah, I'm already pretty aggravated And it's a cool point I'm a hundred percent fine It's a cool point of view to be like my heroes are still innocent, you know, my heroes didn't fucking Innocent you can go people and be innocent. So this is this is what I mean This was ack. It's really fucking strange. Let's do what he says next ranks, right? I don't know if you're ready for this if you haven't seen this clip before lie to America my heroes didn't You know in bezel money from their court my heroes didn't fucking he's taking this way out of That because this is an absurd statement He's basically contesting the idea that there's any hero who just is like doing these obviously wrong things So we just not think that there are there could be good heroes We're we're on this the the stage kind of with him when he says hey Batman could definitely kill a person even with the code he has and we're like, mm-hmm And he says and you know what your beautiful innocent superheroes. They've embezzled money They've caused atrocities and we start moving away from him because we're like I don't know. I don't know what the fuck zack is talking about. He's like, you know He's basically said all superheroes aren't innocent. They will lie to you They'll lie to America. They'll embezzle money and they will commit atrocities. It's like, okay Wow That informs a great deal. It really does Like that's cool, but you're living in a fucking dream world. I know do you think you are wow Wow, fuck me. So but he's like, oh, you're taking out a context like is that not we've got the point That was the point and you agree with the point that he's made exactly But apparently it's out of context. We're taking pop out of context taking Jay out of context It's possible that we ourselves are not even in context as we see I feel like you just took me out of context that rex I Apologize it's just funny to say you're taking him out of context True I've not taken you out of context. I have jumped into Out of context with you we together. I've joined you. I've haven't taken you out of context I want to be in this world. You joined me out of context. I'm standing here out of context Come out here. The grass is green around of context, dude. That that would that would I say that sounds horrible I'll never join you and then I jump in That would have been a um, a really good joke for the story train episode of rick and morty to have gone from the context to out of context to escape That would have been something You have to go out of context The old out of context morning It's like tell a shitty story. He's like, I didn't realize how odd the theme that would be He's taking this way out of context atrocities. I'm like, that's cool But you're living in a fucking dream world I am the old your perspective is cruel, but also it's wrong both our perspectives are valid But you're living in a dream world I also really like the idea that sax noita thinks that oh a billionaire whose parents are murdered And then he dresses up in a giant bat suit and then goes around beating up criminals And then also there's a man from space who can't be destroyed and he can fly And then some guy cuts his hand open and puts an alien in a puddle Oh my god Hey, he's describing what happens in these films. Okay Yeah, point out where they said that was wrong Yeah, the fucking creation of doom stays hilarious Guys retard Yeah, this is one of those I hate to break into you, but he's not lying about the film's events So like what you think is retarded is zacks wick. I don't know Out of it and tries to destroy city That's not a dream world But as soon as one of those characters thinks murder is bad or doesn't lie to america Embezzle money Coming from It's pretty simple point. This world is absurd, but that's not a dream world As soon as he starts embezzling money Like man of steel that's that's not a dream world and until superman starts like not The embezzling money I don't understand the point You just call the retarded It is weird how he's called somebody retarded and then to two seconds later say but I don't understand what they're saying It's a so fervently Be anti their point and then to be like wait, what was their point? Yeah, I don't even understand it because I was talking over their point You living in a fucking dream world there that would never happen. No, no, no, no, no, sir. What you're doing just pause the video and talk No, no, no, sir Why is this guy's not why does he keep talking stop you're interrupting me? Why my his doesn't make sense stop talking Is here just you're creating your own narrative You can't just do that and then for some reason he puts a comment on the screen that says what's up, tyler Maybe it's an automatic thing. We're like I see this is the feature from stream yards where you can you can click comments and then they come up individually because I feel Like we should have seen more Yes Okay, see the reason rags that I was like no you can't be right because if any more than fucking one person talk It'll start to take over his camera Imagine we had that for e-fab Yeah, you can click them what did I walk to and do letting a video speak over you What's up, tyler? Also, hi rags gilbert godfrey's detective clon dream world is a great game gadel ball this bass tyler kickj And it's just nothing but constant stream I agree tyler is pretty based right now top notch I agree There are already a countless number of portrayals of batman successful or What is wrong with that? He's face you see his face palming at the assertion that there are many different His he's forehead palming really he's literally broken He has no idea what he's supposed to react into what jay said the most innocuous thing ever there's lots of batman Ah I can't handle such a thing you're like why He's like how come no one's ever told me this he thinks that zack Snyder is the only version Apparently he's like what there's been others That's the um the not like this emoji from twitch that he's doing right now I don't even know how to else to describe it to me. That's all it is My whole world is falling apart because he said there's more than one batman Yeah, and he has a rule against a version to killing in so many of those that it's become a central part. Oh my god What are you doing? What's wrong? What's happened? I don't why do you have so many horrific things to say? And I don't think about suggesting right But the batman that we're getting in bvs is a different batman. Yeah, that's so oh wow That's literally the point Like I don't know jay said this more than once already in this video and he's just like flipping out times. Yeah He's fucking lost his mind He's lost his mind Do you think that if I would have asked zack Snyder about his batman that he that he would agree with me if I said He's lost his mind Zach i'm really glad that you made a batman who's lost his mind in your yeah, I wonder what he would say to that yeah He's like wait what how is that your defense unless he's talking about jay. I assume he's talking about batman I think he's talking about jet batman. Yeah jet man J-man become a central part of my god jay. He doesn't go by when I don't think about subjecting Right, but the batman that we're getting in bvs is a different batman. He's Fucking lost his mind basically Like the joker murders his adopted son Keeps walking over the video not gonna pause jay apparently He's so close to the mic. He's getting so mad that the microphone is shaking around it's like Moving around This is the worst of like the Snyderoid sort of infection where you just you can't even hear things you just react He's like, oh, yeah, it's it's because of it it seems like um You you've assumed that it's arguments. You've heard before and maybe they are arguments You've heard before and you just weren't receptive to them, but you've totally jumped the gun. You have no idea what the broad point is You know jay usually reasons well just listen to the fucking thing they're saying about that would be great. Yeah That's the reason we're seeing this batman living in a dream world Stop it Somebody needs to find this fucking kid and smack them in the mouth. Oh my god That went from zero to 60 fairly quickly. Oh my god He's back them in the mouth For his crimes against batman Hell yeah I'm gonna say it after a clip of like witty the poo. It would be really funny So what is this funny because you're like, why are you so angry? What did jade do? There are multiple versions of batman and then proceed Unacceptable fringy unacceptable gone too far First rule of batman you don't talk about batman. You don't talk about all the batman You just talk about your favorite batman and someone's highlighting it's like it feels it feels like a bit of a Sunrise sunset here like uh since efab 5 being You know jay's video on me and now we are watching someone react to jay I guess There's not much defense for us to do. We're just this is just funny like A dream world sack and you could have told me this isn't real And you could have told me that people can't just put themselves back together when I punch them into little bits But at this point you may be thinking jay in portrayals Jay you're fucking retarded. Yeah jay all of your words and your sentences. He's got all your thoughts He's got emotions, but he doesn't know how to express them Uh, probably he's just he's just wailing going nuts I genuinely would like to ask him at this point in in this moment in reality Just be like what was jay's point and he's gonna be like he ah He's he's taking zack out of context Okay, let's find the video and that's all you got Does end up killing at the end of the film to save the commissioner's son. He kills harpy dent to which I would say Right, this is only one example. That brings me to You don't know what the example is in favor. You don't even know where he's going. You don't yeah And that was some of jay already said it doesn't matter. I guess The distinction zack snider portrays the people criticizing Does that upset you nice nice pink why you use red like a man like I used Yeah, like I gotta use pink. I gotta use light red red. That's Right blood red fucking clion And then black at the bottom there black blood because that's edgy. That's edgy blood It's very edgy. Nice. It's like it's like venom I like that you put pink in capital Still Oh my god, someone says to me like oh like batman killed a guy. I'm like All right, come on. Oh god. I'm so I'm getting so aggravated kill a guy does he He obliterates these guys with machine guns built into his batmobile He performs a fucking airstrike on these guys shoots at all these guys harpoons this fellow Let's these guys get blown up stabs this guy in the chest blows these guys up and I could go on Yeah, I'm surprised jay didn't include the one where he landed the batmobile on top of a person like that A couple murders slipped through the cracks Dragging that car with the people in it around for That was funny as fuck For someone who you know comes in not realizing what kind of batman they're dealing with when you see him do that You're like, what's that in the theater? I was uh, I was kind of baffled It's like wait, what is going on? That dude's dead. Okay. I I agree with that one. Yeah, he's definitely dead We're watching car obliterate and he's like, okay that guy's dead The screen is a fireball I think he was talking about the dude who had the crate thrown into space. It's like, oh, yeah I'm commenting on the the funny imagery right now. Not necessarily All right guys dead as it's just totally bright white He's literally ashes to sending to the crowd like a loony toon's got to You know, these guys have families kids wives husbands Right, but they chose the wrong side They chose the wrong side Geez do we even need to express for that logic? This is movie bob level logic They chose the wrong side. So I guess So do you remember where he said he's doing this because he lost his mind now. It's they chose the wrong side Yeah, because you've changed from what he's doing is wrong to well look hold on. All right I feel that there is a fair argument to be had that batman if you can you know Dismantle these people without killing them. Is that the superior moral option? Um, no, it's like no they chose the wrong side Can't leave him alive to commit more crimes again The cycle has to end somewhere to cycle ends with me I have a machine guns in their streets Batman casts fireball And they're dealing with a batman who has gone I don't know What did you say batman's gone full fucking I don't give a fuck is that what he said full frontal I don't Like I was gonna say you you have to just ignore j if ever he talks which is actually annoying to do But it's I just I guess that's the way that he's set this up. It's very entertaining in terms of not confusing at all These kids wives husbands Right, but they chose the wrong side And they're dealing with a batman Who has gone full fucking like I don't give a fuck anymore He's branding criminals. This is a parent from the beginning other people from this is a parent. Oh parent from the game So that that doesn't address anything that's being said anything that confirms what j says Yeah, I There's not much for us to do with this. It's just like The point that j is making here is it isn't it isn't like that. He's killing people Just through the process of fighting them. It's like he's going out of his way. Yeah, almost to just exact vengeance on these people and blow them up And stab them in the heart. Yeah, call him blood thirsty. It's like of course he is It's not just killing people There are degrees to which this is But again, you'd cross this point if you were actually like stopping and listening and and not talking over it Because you have to let these people do a veggie. It's like you understand you're not defending anything here Like you're making it much worse. You you make Snyder's work look so inept that people have to go He's lost his mind. They deserved it It's like when you when you tap people's knees with the little knee tapper Uh, and it kind of lifts up, you know, like that's what you are You're just that you're just it's just a stimulus in response. That's all it is. Oh, yes. Yeah, you're a reflex. Yeah You're a which bipedal reflex might Be good for the people who already agree with you and just hate j's video, you know Through its existence alone, like you'll get some people being like, yeah, good coverage But like if anyone listens to you Like I don't know if this is gonna gain anything So in much the same way that krypton had its chance those criminals had their chance Yep, those dude, this kryptonian embryo has chose the wrong side I like that you're playing out with the criminal superman starry. I was like, I have a family And it's like when you had a chance you had your chance Yeah, suddenly it feels a little bit uncomfortable when he could easily not kill them yet chooses to kill them This is a parent from the beginning other people from feeling that same pain And in this version he probably inflicts that same thing on some other people himself Which again is a perfectly legitimate road to take that character down If you want your movie to be dark and edgy and fuck knows you yeah now you're screaming and getting really mad just seems pretty Stupid now. I stopped it. Well now he's quiet when he hears j saying this because he's like, wait, what am I? What am I doing? You just you just j has just said yeah, so you can do this Meanwhile you were yelling at him calling him retarded While he was explaining all the way up to this point specifically he was yelling at him when j was just laying out the facts It's like, what do we have here? It's like this kill this kill this kill. Okay. Can it be done? It's like, yes, it can that's that's Oh, so disagreeable can't handle it Explore that potential angle, but surely you have to understand the distinction here and your movie batman didn't kill a guy I don't like that night. He kills me He just says I don't like this We can tell you don't like open a new environment. I don't like this if you long counter I don't know why I don't like it. I just know I don't like it A guy when he has no other choice to save the life of a child But even though he kills a guy in the movie He's still portrayed with that strong aversion to killing that we've come to expect from his character And your movie he powers through kills like he's going for a high score That's where so many people take issue with your movie But what's your response to that we fight by the way, we finally see the point jay is making or at least the first one So now respond to it. Well jay's distinction is pretty apt I think a batman who has to kill because he's ran out of other options versus a batman who loves to kill Yeah If he did just kill one guy and batman v superman, this defense still wouldn't work batman is I have so much to say about this Say stop I know this might sound strange, but gather your thoughts for just a moment Maybe we can get through this together. I promise I I am I have so many things to say. I'm gonna wait though And having a version of him that takes his famous No killing rule even further than he takes it in the dark night and refuses to kill anyone under any circumstances You'd still have a believable character. This wouldn't be a dream world Well, no, it would be a dream world because it's like a side by setting with aliens and fantastical elements But it wouldn't be a dream world for the reason that you think it would be mr. Snyder You seem to think you're right, but you're just edgy Something that's really funny that i'm noticing here is that it's like you are providing so little commentary and allowing the video to play for so long That like you you're kind of like not transforming it in any way No, which there's an irony there because he's ripping into it So he's not like yes, but at the same time it's still benefiting from jay having made Cogent points at a well-edited video Because I could watch I could Watch jay's video through this and get a lot of it as long as I just put aside the commentary Like I just zoned it out, but you're not pausing. You're not providing any substantive criticism You're just kind of playing the whole video and not saying anything What you keep talking over it, but but like There's so many stretches of just nothing It's just a video playing and he's putting his hands on his head like He said more when jay hadn't made his point yet now he's saying nothing but jay's actually completed some points actually making a point Yeah It's harder to make knee-jerk reflexes to that maybe his brain has to sort of do some has to actually acknowledge and deal with the point Yeah um I just liked jay's comment there as well. He said to zack. You're not correct. You're just edgy But the way that he's approached the super hero is like, you know Presented the issue that people take with your portrayal of this character and then you made a count argument That doesn't even work against the misrepresented version He keeps playing the fucking same clip Without audio, but he keeps playing the same It's a reference. It's a literal reference Like how dare you use the image of our lord and savior zack snider in vain I find it really funny that he's so mad about that clip That's all he's got his brain is like I've seen that thing is several times and I don't like that. You're using it over and over again The whole idea with the video is to respond to the thing that was said in that clip and so of course he used it It's a reference Smaller, you know that Fringy knows that and I know that but does he know that? Or is this just like free content for him essentially? It seemed to think you're right But you're just edgy you've misrepresented the issue that people take with your portrayal of this character And then you made a counter-argument that doesn't even work against the misrepresented version He's playing the fucking same clip Same clip the most people actually have and as rags said he's not even playing the clip. It's just the visual You've just gone you think batman doesn't kill actually he just does and if you disagree You're living in a dream world. Killing is just a part of life. Everybody does it Killing is just a part of life It's like a lion king or something. I don't know God he's uh Just the text of my mom to see if the nuggies are done the energy Yeah, a little bit This is a foul energy. This is what I think a lot of people think of us that hate e-fab like this is what they imagine we do It's just like it's really this is polar opposites for what we intend Because he's just so fucking angry but he just doesn't know what to do with it Well, I mean it's it's pretty clear at this point that he's entered into this video. It's super bad faith Yeah, um that he's here to play it and then say it's stupid and then have people that is fabulous be like, yeah, it's stupid His only faith is in his lord and savior. Zach Snyder. Zachariah My mom says I'm not allowed it, but she doesn't have to know because I bought it at the shop myself And normally they're supposed to ID you when you buy it, but they didn't ID me because I'm not a teenager Unlike me I'm a sophisticated comic enjoyer I know all the Batman lore Like that, but I still bet you couldn't genuinely look me in the eyes. This guy is insane He writes with insane capitalized. I don't know What what happened? You know what I mean? Like I hope e-fab chat would call us out If we went this crazy on it on a video that's barely said like anything. That's not just true Like most of what Jay has said is describing events from content Yep It's just how we film. Yeah That's definitely not something Zach Snyder would probably say before I go. I'd just like to say a big Oh, wow, that's it's over He's he's angry at Jay saying he's leaving It's it's so funny because he hasn't all he said is this is out of context. Oh, you're retarded. You're retarded god Oh my god, that's it. I'm so angry I got so much to say, but I won't it's like he's that guy from destiny who wants to tell you the lore, but he won't No, it's So many things have happened that are amazing I'll tell you maybe later, but not now. Ah, what the fuck Ty, please tell us your lore I'm telling you that that's definitely not something Zach Snyder would probably say before I go I'd just like to say a big thank you to all my patrons I would like to let you know I think his mind started off with saying retarded, but then he changed his mind halfway through the word And then he was like, oh, wait, I can't be I'm a retarded It's only works as if you're trying to portray that as something the other person would say Instead of bailing out halfway I have not yet begun to retard Things I said in this video then I'll check out my uncut Zach's Okay, so let's go find Christians come bro. I don't have time to find christian's comment in this he literally searched for like six comments Yeah, you have to just like three six come on bro. You don't even have your chat doesn't have a scroll wheel on it yet Hey, but I am gonna leave a comment Idiot How's that? Is that okay? I would like to say jay has been right Jay get destroyed idiot got him. Oh, it's got like seven exclamation points too That makes you know that he's more powerful He should have said what? What But like I don't want to I don't want to be the person that I I I say not to be What do you tell people not to be Didn't you say people should punch jay? Yeah In the mouth he specified the exact body part the mouth from which all of these lies and heresies And believe it or not that is actually the the place where I was gonna end this this part of this guy He's he's a fascinating one Though it's worth mentioning that jay, of course caught wind of this by chance and um Um You can find jay live reacting to it. I don't know exactly what the video is called But you should be able to find it with a selection of keywords Um, but of course it didn't go well for this guy because jay's fans were like, what the hell is this? He was just like, um The rags would you like to read uh this this lads commentary in a comment section in response to jay's coverage Yeah, okay Pop culture corner Okay Everyone that's coming from jxc. This is a video from months ago A viewer asked us to watch it. I do regret saying some stuff as that is not our intention here at pop Culture Oh, right it keeps going I I sorry it got to the end of the whole line and there was an exclamation point So my brain's like all right. We're done time to pause next thought incoming, but it was not I do regret saying some stuff people say you need to talk in his voice all right Okay Everyone that's coming from jxc. This is a video from months ago a viewer asked us to watch it I do regret saying some stuff. What is that? It's not our intention here at pop culture corner We try to promote educate and otherwise inspire people not focus on hate This is an example of hate and how it is certainly me. We were still very young and eager wait, we were very young It's a joke Like like like sometimes we're having conversations Someone says but rags didn't you just say and like oh that was just such a long time ago We can't focus on the past when it was like seconds before that's the joke Okay All right, okay We're good. We're good This is an example of hate and how it is certainly me What wait and how whoa This this is an this is an example of hate and how it is certainly me We were still very young and eager as a channel We do not have any ill intent or hate for j If you scroll through our videos, we rarely do anything like this and we try to be happy Please I understand if you're a fan of this person. I'm sorry We have never brought up another video from this person and I don't see it happening anytime soon And then look at what he says Apparently a couple days later if not one Now I'm getting tired of it. So we'll do this the other way. I suppose what it's like. Oh, no, what does this mean? It sounds so ominous like um I think that meant that he's like he's blocked the comments or if he's I don't know he did something He wasn't happy of course. You can't blame him. I guess you can He just doesn't seem happy. He has a person he seems upset But I don't know it's been it's been months since then maybe he's a different person I feel yes the maturity of both himself and the channel that it is Oh You know when a channel is first started every day, you know day one, it's like it's age one and then day two It's like you doubled your age. It's quite a bit already Another two days. It's another double. So it makes sense to some degree Best of luck with your reacting Um, I don't know that j would have been upset at all by this I think j just thought it was fucking hilarious I would if I sold one of my videos getting that kind of reaction um It's not a people get very upset very easily. We know about this um But since there's no the way to segue this I will then add on the end of that sentence, you know, a lot of people get angry in a lot of different ways and um As you would have seen in that video it touches on subjects related to batman His portrayal whether he should kill And so what I have we've still got videos to come but we've also got comments to come Ones that I have picked out as as efap has gone along because I've been like This will be an interesting thing to talk about sometime down the line And um, I believe we remember we streamed with uh, colin sanders About the old batman stuff Yeah, I do Some other things his video on uh It was a fun time I spotted this comment and I thought we would take a look at it. Uh, I I don't know Fringy, do you want to read this one? We got lots of reading to do today. So I figure I can form with it Oh, let me let me pull a server on the bigger screen I'm so annoyed by uh at the adaptation argument Yes, how good an adaptation is doesn't say anything about the quality of the writing necessarily But to say that it's irrelevant is so weird to me You guys like your hypotheticals. So try this one I make a movie called lord of the rings should be the lord of the rings, but okay The lord of the rings the fellowship not his version. No, here's his there's freedom of adaptation my friend lord of rings fellowship of ring He already got you and his his fellowship Right into it in the trap Lord of rings fellowship of ring Uh and use the character names and location names eddica However, it's actually the father imagine that film didn't already exist Let's assume it's well made acting eddica. That's that's it just acting Etc. Is it a good lord of the rings movie? Could you understand lord of the rings fans not liking the movie even though it's well written Would you agree that ab it using the lord of the rings name to tell this story was nonsensical and pointless Should we stop there if you start? Okay, sure Um So I guess on that first sentence where they say but to say it's irrelevant is so weird to me It's like so it's irrelevant to the quality of the writing if that's what we're discussing Um, which is what has been said, but um snow it is irrelevant. Yes discuss all kinds of things like I take this as annoyingly as somebody in this like if they were in the discord call talking about Oh, man, what do you think the the spoilers for spider-man is going to do for the film? You know, you know, it's going to affect the enjoyment of what are we talking about it? And then um someone in chat is just like Guys this has nothing to do with how well written it is. It's like I know It's not what we're talking about and yeah, what I'm implying with that is We we will happily talk about it or not talk about it. Like it was just whenever it comes up if for example Um an adaptation of the lemony snicket books comes out. Actually, fuck it. Let's just say a movie adaptation of the Buffy show Then I'm going to want to talk about how it probably shits on the series free. We'll add in comments as well But as all three of us will be aware That that that discussion is its own discussion Meanwhile, I guess this is So I was gonna say so take dune for example Let's pretend rags. You haven't read it and and fringy hasn't read and I haven't read it And we watch it as a film we judge it if someone was like where the fuck was the adaptation discussion Be like we're not doing it because we don't yeah So saying like it's a say but to say it's irrelevant It's so weird to me. It's like it'll be relevant if it's relevant It's going to be dependent on like other factors But if we're talking strictly about how well written bvs is we're not going to reference the comics at all and we don't Yeah, that's kind of the weird thing about this comment is like why are you annoyed that it's being omitted from the discussion Because there are plenty of discussions where adaptation is omitted You know how many films are based on books and I'm confident how many of those haven't been read by you Like specifically Probably most And it's and it's it is it is irrelevant a lot of the time Why are you annoyed that we're choosing not to talk about it? Well, it gets more interesting because this thing that I really like and that I think deserves reverence this hypothetical They've given I'm pretty sure we've given it. Um, because the common sound is e-fap. Was that after 150 it was right? I think uh, I think it was before 150, right? Fuck my memories all bled. Well, anyway Um during 150 the third part I'm pretty sure I posed a question like this where I was like Let's take something that we know is incredibly well written and just change all the names of the characters and the title Which by the way is what hillhouse is As a show a show that everyone seems to really like It's a show that shits all over the source material and and I said when I first discovered the show I was looking at imdb reviews and I was like, oh no, there's lots of low reviews. Why it's like This is not like the book. This is a shit on the book. This is bad for the book And you know the obvious question comes up. Why would you do this? It's really rude And it's like, okay, and we can talk about that doesn't change how well written hillhouse is though No, because if the logic is that it becomes better or worse written because of the name Like you just change the name all of a sudden it becomes better in terms of its writing That sounds to me like a really bad system And if you try to figure out what is good or bad And I think another scenario I gave was if we found out that Tolkien actually adapted his books from comic books The first ever ones written bazillion years ago, but he kept them hidden They were called lord the rings But the story in them is all star wars and he just said he was like i'm adapting this into the book It's like do the books become bad now Like no, that's it's stupid. I do like the comment. You guys like your hypotheticals. It's like, yeah, I do We love them Great analogies hypotheticals love them and whenever people get upset about them It's usually because they don't want to bite the bullet on a particular position that they actually hold And so That's that's that would never happen. That's that's that's a good point actually I don't know what just came over me. So you're right. That is ridiculous Now that's our logic now He's because his question is is this a good lord of the rings movie And so if we can that's not our well if we rejig the question to mean Exactly. So if we rejig the question to mean is this a good Faithful adaptation of the books the lord of the rings, then I'd be like, oh, well, no, it's not faithful at all And then it's like could you understand lord the rings fans not liking the movie at that point? It's like of course we have literally you can dislike a thing for any reason you want Um, you know depending on it. We can make fun of it or appreciate it For example, there are plenty of people who just like cannot watch Like war movies because they just like and there's veterans who can't watch war movies. It's just like it's too much And if you're like, I I do not like movies like that. I can't handle it. I just like that's fine Um, I know plenty of family members who cannot watch horror movies. They're just like not doing it. It's like Preferences people have Once I can't I can't watch this it's too close to home exactly Yeah, that's never been a thing about e-fap though or the standard Obviously people approach stories with their experience and their preferences and that's totally fine um But it's it's it's different. It's a different conversation And then you go, would you agree that abusing the lord the rings name to tell the story was nonsensical and pointless? So let me ask you this If We take someone who adores hill house the show and then a fan of the books is like Do you not agree? It was nonsensical and pointless to use the hill house ip to do this I would have to imagine just by thinking about it. That is how it got made by using that ip name Uh people know hill house more than they know If he called it something else Like something more generic he used it to Sell the project and then he made the story he wanted to make I think you're allowed to say that's a dick move Um, and you can make it specific that he's using the fans of a different ip to sell his own story I think that's fair. I just want to separate out whether or not that means the story is poorly written or not Um, but the thing about that is there is one hill house holding of hill house book As far as I know Meanwhile, we're looking at a lot of content for batman Um, and so I guess unless you're specific about what you're adapting like the difference between spider-man and amazing spider-man and Spider-man colon, you know, whatever Yeah, um, you can get down to more specifics, but To be like you're abusing the name batman when you create something like bvs I'd be like which batman are you abusing? Is it all of them? I don't think it's all of them It's a little bit more complicated Um, but again, I don't mind if that's your reasoning feel like I know batman from comics and he shouldn't be fucking shooting people I am done with this. I'd be like, all right Uh, that doesn't bear on whether or not it's well written and that is why we don't bring it up Typically, but uh, sometimes it comes up. It's fun to talk about and that's what the colon sanders eve Have was about to a degree. I think we talked about it a lot continue Uh, if you start from zero and name your story the same as an existing story and another medium Okay, it's reasonable for people to expect you to actually tell that story and not your own fanfic Exceptions would be films named after the main character possibly some others I'm talking in a general sense here. Of course. There are always exceptions Uh, mcu civil war works because the mcu versions of the characters have already been established Already in trouble now now. I already saw the exceptions would be films named after the main character. Why? Why yeah, what if the steve rodgers could have been the name of the first captain america movie? Yeah Well, what if the lord the rings first movie was called frodo and the shire and then it's just got nothing to do with the books at all Yeah, is that okay? What if what if theoretically? They named the first dr. Strange movie after dr. Strange and they just called it dr. Strange Oh What if they did that if they went down that route? It was just about him being a good regular doctor. Yeah He's just a regular doctor No magic operation doctor. Yeah, I'm pretty good at what I do. I like being good at what I do So I like being able to cure people and being good. Uh, this is what we start to call as well Like there's some holes appearing in your logic here Um That worry us and this is why we don't tend to use this as anything of an indicator of quality because we're just like What the hell we dealing with here, um Also, I like that civil war just gets exempt a lot of people exempt civil war And it's like I don't think it should be Considering a lot of people will maintain that civil war is bad because it goes against the comic But simultaneously people like now that's fine Um, yeah, so I let them have fun if you hate it for that reason or don't hate it for that reason Whatever that's fine. Go nuts. It doesn't affect how well written it is Uh, I'll say it's reasonable for people to expect you to actually tell that story not your own fanfic Sure. Yeah, I don't when have we ever implied otherwise with that Yeah, if you yeah, if you made if a movie was going to come out a few years called I don't know, um What's the the lords of discipline? And it wasn't anything at all like the book in any way whatsoever Yeah, I would be reasonable to expect it to be like the book But if it wasn't I'd be like, all right, I guess this is just something different Huh, all right. It's kind of excited to see that but I guess we'll check this one out I'd be curious then if the logic works in reverse like if I call something let's say Descent on doom And you'd be like, okay, what's what is that? And I was like, it's Lord of the Rings basically. I just adapted. I just called it that instead Is that a problem? That'd be okay. I assume that's okay. Yeah, of course What if you what if there is a book that gets adapted into a film That is not faithful to the source material and then somebody adapts that film Like they remake that film, but it is basically identical to the book Oh, uh, the the one I like to bring up because it's super interesting is Dr. Sleep. Yeah Yeah, I was thinking that adapting the sequel to the shining while adapting the sequel to the shining the book the movie Trying to combo them and it's from what I gather from super fans. It's a bit of a mess Um, yeah, so yeah, uh, I don't know So the the first thing I'd have to say about any of this is like I don't understand what we've said That contradicts this stuff really. I don't know what you're upset about We just tend not to talk about it And but if people want to talk about what they like or dislike when they're on the cast like go right ahead And if they say Like oh, I've enjoyed your discussion on dude and guys, but fucking hell. It's such a bad adaptation. We'd be like Oh Okay, like uh, yeah, all right. Yeah, I can't really add to that. Um We'll take away from it. I just be like, hmm Um, and this applies to everything I've not read through all the Batman comics So when someone says it is inaccurate, I'm like, okay Um, so the final statement is give your own story its own name and there's no problem. It's like what a weird system I mean name Determines so again, I don't even know if it's possible for a name to impact the quality of the story I don't see how well his point is it can impact people's expectations and it's just like true Yeah, but a lot of things can impact your expectations like trailers marketing and Yeah making it And I don't know what to say about like Uh, so you know like that scenario. I just said if a wizard came down and said yo if we don't do this with hill house It doesn't get made It's like damn. Yeah, then sorry. We gotta do this then Unlike I prefer that it's made than not so I I guess I guess we have to take that that that that element that sucks That there's gonna be people who are tricked into thinking that it's gonna be a faithful adaptation of the book But it's not Presumably You could find out. I don't know what Mike Flanagan said about it running up to it There's no way you would have claimed it was a faithful adaptation unless he's a fucking big old liar Um Yeah, do you want to do the last one I guess All right, uh, I don't know why the e-fap crew is okay with Batman killing people in the dcu Because why does he engage in fistfights when he could end the fight easier with a gun it breaks batsman It's why does he engage? um So this is this is interesting because like The the primary argument which seems like they don't disagree with us on which is that he can kill people When you do the reasoning stuff I don't know that I necessarily disagree with that It seems that he should have better technology to deal with people if he's so bloodthirsty like why doesn't he have a rifle? I guess But that's just inconsistent within the film. Yeah, like that. I don't feel like this Totally prepared to kill everybody in this room. I don't have a bat gun. Yeah So I guess in a sense like I agree. I don't think we ever went against that in our coverage. Did we? I don't think so. I think we were more so just blown away by the killing Yeah It is uh, it is um This Batman does This is what this batman does and like we we've gotten we we've complained a shit ton about the characterization in all of Snyder's films for all of them like outside of whether or not he's killing people but Uh, it was kind of weird to end it with he breaks batman I guess they just mean the character Bruce Wayne in the in the in the movie Makes him a kind of silly But uh, I don't disagree necessarily. Yeah, he should be he should be more equipped to better kill people faster Um, yeah, especially if he was able to get his batwing. It's like he must have rifles at home I don't know why he wouldn't have picked a few up Um, you can't even argue that he did it for stealth when he did what he did with the fucking You know Anyway, um, so hopefully that clears that up a little bit Um, but we we actually fresh off the presses a different complaint about our adaptation argument from the subreddit And this doesn't regard batman. Well, I guess it does regard batman a little bit, but it's mainly about spundo man Spundo man, of course. This is I don't know since we're still on adaptation. Do you want to take it for you? Oh, sure. Um, let me just Close that to be fair the title of this one is regards to specifically you for any so Oh, is it okay? Um I like homecoming and I think it's a good movie. Uh, part of me greatly dislikes I This grammar and punctuation do what you can Greatly dislikes because it's not really a spider-man movie because they change so much so it much They change so much. It really is iron boy iron boy But again, I still think it's a good movie and when I separate it from the spider-man comics I I agree that a bad adaptation does not make the film itself bad However, I think fringy is bullshitting when he says that there is no definitive spider-man and that 616 doesn't count because he's too different Um, if you read 616 spider-man, it is the most popular and the one 99 Adopt a 99 percent of adaptations take from because it is seen as the definitive version of spider-man Also, 616 spider-man has always been pretty consistent with its story and lore and characters Sure, there's usually some slight changes in personality when the new writer comes But usually they are very minor and it is the same spider-man It's not like a new writer comes along and all of a sudden Peter's father is tony stark and his personality is a depressed emo Who never makes jokes? No in all runs of 616 spider-man. He is the same guy as marvel has a status quo for him Also a lot of big changes that do happen to 616 spider-man a temporary to shake up the status quo to go back to normal Like spider-man was rich and in charge of a company But that only lasted about 30 issues over a 600 issue comic book for reference 30 issues would be about three years Wow, this is quick because it's usually an issue an issue per month Um, well the time spidey had a car, but again, that I like that's considered a significant like Spidey has a car all the time They called himself spider to detach him from his emotions and humanity during the clone saga However, once again, they returned to the status quo for spider-man There was an established status quo of spider-man 616 with big changes usually being temporary And reverting back to the status quo with few exceptions This status quo has been established in the original run of spider-man Yeah, I know please mix it up and has been pretty consistent over the years Over the year. Okay over the years that is the definitive spider-man Fringy is completely wrong when he says six uh earth 616 spider-man is too different to ever get a definitive version of the character Sorry for the rant I just hate how fringy cries at every change to batman from the comics But that defends the spider-man changes by saying there's no definitive spider-man So you can't adapt him properly When you use the exact same arguments to all of fringy's complaints of changes to batman characters and law and batwoman Put simply there is an established status quo of spider-man 616 with big changes Usually being temporary and reverting back to the status quo with few exceptions This status quo has been established in the run of the original spider-man And there's been you've said this already and has been pretty consistent over the year that is the different you I I feel like that last sense is just copy pasted like from things that has already been earlier. Yeah um Fringy is completely wrong when he says uh earth 616 spider-man is too different to get a definitive version of the character Yeah, that's literally the same one as in the paragraphs who also high rags Oh, hi um Interesting I feel like you I feel like it's missed the I think Because the problem is like I can't remember exactly what it would have said but I think the point I would have made is that What I don't know what if I just decided that my adaptation of spider-man is that arc Where he was rich and in charge of a company Like what if I picked the spider-man arc where it was that he had all of his like personality altered to um During like the clone saga or something would people be cool with that or Like what am I pulling from? Like a status quo Is Descriptive not prescriptive. We don't return to something because it is the status quo. That's yeah Right a status quo. You could change the status quo by just doing Different things consistently into the future and that will become the new status quo Yeah There's two significant things to clarify for is like one Fringy Have you ever said the batwoman's writing is bad because it isn't sticking to batman? I think I've always been pretty explicit that I just hate it. Yeah, I just really don't like it doesn't like it. Yeah It's very especially when you It You can say that this show is really bad and also this show Uses other things in craps all over them and in its right to prop itself up So like for instance with uh in in batwoman. It's really annoying when they're like, oh bruce killed the joker. That just Pisses me off. Um if there were actually a criticism within the story It would be in relations like batman like it's frustrating that batman is um woefully Stupid seemingly in the in the batwoman universe Incompetent very incompetent. It seems incongruous with what's been established in that world But I hate it personally That's my problem with it. If For example, if they're if they're like, oh big bad villains come back to Gotham this episode It's like who and it goes mist of freeze. We all go. Oh, no If someone was like, well, yeah, they'd be like guys, they haven't even written them yet Like how can you complain? I'd be like i'm not that's I it could be good We always have that it could be good. But like I'm not looking forward to my memory of mr Freeze at his best or whatever which includes batman and robin is going to be ruined by batwoman. I can't handle that Yeah, it's just it's upsetting. Yeah I get annoyed by all kinds of things and we're supposed to be having fun while reacting to stuff in batwoman It's not a serious breakdown of how much this isn't like the like What do you think that we'd be appealing to I guess he thinks that you're appealing to what batman should be I guess his logic would be that I have a batman bias that I don't have with spider-man Um, even if that were true, that's valid as what I mean by that It's like I'm biased in favor of everyone sticking to how like buffy should exist, right? If they made an adaptation, I'm not with charmed and it'd be like wow hypocrite I'd be like, well, no, that's just my preference and I can explain that I watched one of them And I didn't watch the other one Yeah, exactly. That's it I mean as as for the thrust of the I think the the broad point was so there are a lot So yes, there is like the main continuity of Marvel comics and there's a spider-man in that There are a bunch of other different versions of it like spectacular spider-man and all of these different ones from different universes Um So I think the point you extract from that is so I could adapt Like a spider-man that is different from the main spider-man and is that bad like if I do spectacular spider-man But I don't call it that is that a problem or is that good Or would it be bad because I need to put the spectacular prefix in front of it And then once I do that the film becomes good So that's like a really inconsistent standard But even then I just don't know how much I believe that over the course of like 70 years of comics That there weren't substantial changes where like he was very different And that you could pull from those or even that there was just a gradual change But like he gradually shifted back and forth between certain attributes that just kind of got ramped up a little bit And then slowed down and people just didn't notice because it was so gradual Like where you could pick a comic from the 60s from the 80s from the thousands and you just put them together It's like well, he is kind of different here and it wasn't because there was a deliberate choice Like they may well have wanted to return to his poor He's doubt but you know, he's a goofster and he tries to do the best that he can he loves his family and responsibility um But but it just naturally there was like changes that happened gradually Over the course of the comic book And if there were changes then then you pulled from like one era and then you pulled from the other And then somebody could say it's a bad adaptation based on their memory of that particular era It's just We've got examples of this changing because the obvious thing that we might say is I see so the definitive quote unquote Spider-man is determined by what everyone mostly like like what most people end up liking the most Like so what if that that sounds like shaky ground definitive spider-man might change Now, uh, I watched ankylos christophaly videos both recently And uh, he highlights bella legosi is the one that made dracula like this very famous figure into film And then christophaly reinvented it He came in and he made him more charming and there was a sexual element that wasn't quite there before Now this is me just going from things that I got from the video I only needed to be theoretical. It doesn't actually need to have happened point being He changed dracula Dracula is no longer the same And then you have the bramestoker dracula and if someone was like that ain't dracula christophaly's dracula And someone goes no that ain't the dracula the bella legosi dracula and someone goes no it's dracula from van helsing The 2003 movie I can't even remember which year 2004 be like that's definitive dracula Um or the dracula from the buffy series is like that's the definitive Like well, I mean there's a little that someone said no because there isn't a definitive dracula I'd be like there isn't really a definitive anybody no offense. I mean because when it comes to spider man there are a lot of I would wager that more people have watched the ramy spider man films than have read spider man comics Um, I might be wrong about that, but that wouldn't surprise me if more people have and I bet you there's someone like web shooters What he shoots him out of his wrist Right. Why why did they change that he shoots him out of his wrist? That's what he does And yeah, so I appreciate people being upset when it's not like the spider man. They like the most from the comics I just think it's a strange argument when you say it's not spider man And you're like which one they go no to spider man definitive spider man. You're like, um Well, yeah, because at that point aside well Which cuts and and it's just when you think about what people's perception of spider man is broadly A lot of it's going to get pulled from the films A lot of it's going to get pulled from the comics as well for some people It's going to get pulled from the game that came out recently um Or certain animated television shows Um, or just things that they hear from people about what spider man is like people are going to be latching on to different things To say that like if you got everybody in a room who's ever heard of spider man and asked them who spider man was That you would just across the board get a very consistent answer. I don't know I think you just get yeah, he shoots webs crawls off the walls and that's like the most that you would get You maybe get some people say ben and responsibility And then it would start to go further of it like the amount of people will say poor right him being poor That's like really important. I wonder how many people would be sitting there like is it Huh, okay. Okay. Um, yeah, maybe Yeah, because like once you veer away from core values you start to get complicated It's like does he have to be poor to learn about responsibility? Couldn't we have stories where he learns about it through having been rich? Exactly. So it's like when you ask people does batman kill most of them are going to say no But the reasons why might vary depending on which interpretation is it might be because it's strictly like Well, that's not my job. That's the police's job. I don't want to do that. It might be I'm scared that if I do that I'm going to cross the line. I can't come back from it might be well I don't want to do to other people what happened to my family my parents. So you can still latch on to the um um You can latch on to like the core Point but even then you can start tweaking and messing around with that Yeah, I feel like you'd want to mess with all of it, right? And then you want maybe a dark spider man where he learns the alternative message or something like that um the after uncle ben he's like Clearly there's there's no fucking justice in this world or something. You know, you ghost You you can I think jay referenced how like a batman story could end up being that he decides to inflict the very pain That was given to his parents instead of that way. Yeah, and if someone was like, yeah, but that's not batman I'd be like, okay. Um That sounds like a different version of batman when I'm talking it would be fine If not for the fact that I'm like, are you it makes it sound like you're saying it's worse As opposed to saying it's different. And then what am I calling him? It's like it's super hero names Literally batman, but I can't call him that apparently because Oh, this is the biggest shame for the for me with this is uh myles morales Uh into the spider versus awesome. Um, but like a lot of people like you can't call him spider man It's like, yeah, he's not real spider man. It's like, well, he's called spider man He shoots webs Well, then there's a pragmatic fucking argument here of just like I can't call I got us What do I call him? It's like black spider man or something. I was like, oh man, okay Well, I'm not doing that because he's called spider man Well, that's what that's what luke that's what luke fox calls him. I'm sure. Uh, oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah So I guess the only other thing I probably want to mention like that opening of being like it's so much It really is iron boy. I'm starting like the only thing you tempt us to do and you say that is like as opposed to uncle boy I guess like because it's it's just as like disingenuous both ways Um, he's iron boy if iron boy is defined as he has help from a mentor who this time happens to be Tony Stark Yeah Because of course there's the shitty arguments of like he doesn't do anything for himself in his movies It's like he does and it's so awkward Because like homecoming it just shits all over that perspective Like what does he do with the fadalis? Like he takes down the villain himself with his own gear With no support and you're like, yeah, but the vulture is this Tony Stark bad guy. It's like did you watch the movie? It's clearly not Tony Stark's bad guy So, yeah, um, I don't know I because I This is a will be a constant argument and I just hope that this clarifies something and as we go Well, I I I can hope for him. I can well but Um, but speaking of spider-verse this was accounted for I had a look in the comment section and someone clarified the difference And how we we'd still be wrong even with referencing that Okay Uh Into the spider versus an entire movie about what it means to be spidey Wasn't until Miles learns a lesson that he's able to grow into himself and the directors won an award because to signify this They animated him in 24 frames instead of 12 to make his movement smoother Spidey loses something Someone extremely important and close to him as a result of real or self-believed in action Peter letting the robber go and Miles freezing up letting his uncle be shot each Learned that when good men do nothing people get hurt mcu spidey lacks this As Tony didn't die because of his inaction and we don't see as much establishment of their relationship Peter and Miles have known Ben and Aaron their entire life So the audience can assume that establishing shots retroactively Apply to their relationship. We see the beginning of Peter and Tony's relationship And what we see is the one lesson in homecoming a fight in civil war and joining him on Infinity war and endgame. It's not enough to have Tony replace ben mcu Peter is also weaker in terms of agency 616 Peter is a genius who can calculate exactly how much webbing he needs for each application in real time Homecoming establishes that Peter just asked the stock suit to figure it out for him Since web slinging is just weaker flight. There's no reason. Ah, no reason not to slap anyone in an ironman suit with cables and replace Peter Just just finish it. We'll go through it finish it. We'll go through it Yeah, these bits of character that no longer exist are why we can tell the difference between Thor and cap with monia But Peter is just ironman jr Many characters could fulfill his role and allow a faithful spider-man to exist Marvel could even rehash the anthony stark plot like they did In civil war and have a younger stark takeover and struggle with filling in his own shoes People who want to see spider-man want to see spider-man not some guy with spider powers since there's no requirement to name him Peter Choosing to do so it comes with an obligation of faithfulness, which is why people are upset man There are so much wrong with that one. Yeah, this one's a bit more egregious than the first Christ, yeah so So the overall message seems to be that what makes miles spider-man is that he Similarly loses someone through inaction and apparently judging from this that is the core aspect of peter parker but also Spider-man if you want someone else to be spider-man too to be spider-man you have to lose somebody through inaction Yes, I do wonder if that's something that if I asked people what is what to find spider-man if they would say that but Well, it's interesting because we pick up with uh with peter in the mcu as he's got that lesson down The mcu challenges that lesson. Yes. The mcu's point is to challenge that perspective, which is what I appreciate about homecoming so much Homecoming's like, oh, yeah, you should never like not act and stuff. It's like, hmm I wonder if we can make it so that that sort of drive can lead to worse results Um, and it's it just needs refining, which is what all arcs pretty much do It's just they take a thing that you had and then they're like there's a few flaws here. You maybe want to alter it um So what do we got exactly? Um Tony didn't die because of his inaction. It's like that that for some reason is a problem for Defining him as a spider-man So in order for mcu spider-man to be defined as spider-man and not iron boy He would have to have tony die through his inaction and you're telling me that in that alternate world Where that happens you're still not going to be calling him iron boy. I don't know if I buy that um and interestingly like Spidey in in uh Homecoming civil war infinity war Oral, he's all very trigger happy He's like I will never do inaction basically and then we we arc him in terms of he's so Yeah, he's so exhausted and ridden with ptsd that he doesn't even want to do anything anymore He just wants to go on fucking vacation. We're doing something different Um, but we're still in the same realm I feel like the spirit is absolutely there like we're exploring these ideas or different lenses and uh alternate angles Um, I found it's Ben though. I found it super interesting that it says We've got homecoming civil war and him joining him in infinity war and endgame But it's not enough to have tony replace ben when ben is in what half an hour Of both of those movies act. Yeah Yeah That's incredible that for some reason we've defined that like the relationship with tony and and peter isn't meaningful enough It's like if you say so over the course of several films Yeah, you can't all being and changing you wouldn't be able to appeal to like yeah But there's a history with tony and with ben and peter that we're aware of it's like there's a history there for them too There's years between these films Um, yeah, so yeah, I don't know. I just I just feel like that's your bias slipping through you can't handle it You've literally defined how much more time and more relationship we see with them But it's just not enough it's like okay also And then and then we see the next point of anybody just put them in a suit And it's like dude spider-man is a lot the whole point in homecoming is that he is more than the suit Like that's the point of that that's an explicit line is that it's the person himself That's why it matters that he's in the suit You couldn't just put anybody in that spider-man suit and have them succeed because again You need to be strong enough to like actually do the web swing. He created the webbing He made it himself before tony ever made it for him The idea that he fumbles with the webbing is much more something that I appreciate compared to he's a genius Who can calculate how much webbing he needs for each application in real time? It's like Yeah, fuck off with your oc that is very Yeah, that's when when rags says his has an armor suit and can fly I say well mine eats armor suits So get fucked Yeah, i'm crazy new to bullets and he's faster than light and he can teleport Mine's a genius who can calculate exists like that's that's what makes you a genius Yeah, like put him in an iron man suit with so the big thing that I think it's safe to assume Is that the reason why spider-man can do a lot of the web slinging is very strong and very good reflexes? Normal people can't do what he does even if they have the webs. Yeah Yeah Homecoming has him falling asleep in the lesson about physics because he knows this shit Yeah, he's figured it all out He figured it all out with his little webbing because he's a smart boy But he isn't so smart that he could figure out exactly It's the classic. He's got a lot of book smarts. He's got fuck all street smart Yeah, and that's what we see him learning about in the homecoming We see it in all his movies. All these mistakes is made. Yeah. Yeah I feel like we're just watching a kid become an adult which is really neat and doesn't get appreciated because everyone wants to see spider-man meaning spider adult Yeah, we ain't there yet no um Yeah, because you got homecoming establishes that peter just asks the stock suit to figure it out for him And how does that work out? It doesn't work out. Yeah, it fails a lot of it. He loses. He screws it up um Since web sling is just weak of weaker flight. That's a really interesting comment, by the way Web sling is just weak weaker flight. It's like, I mean I guess technically you can argue that We're dealing with very different applications. Yeah, there's things that web slinging can do that flight cannot Oh, yeah, if we're yeah, yeah, if we're talking about just inform in terms of movement sure But the webbing has applications. It's a tool. Yeah, he uses it in fights. He uses it to like Repair things he uses it to restrain people He has different types of webbing And so they go on There's no reason not to slap anyone in an iron man suit with cables and replace peter I can give you a few reasons that are strictly about character, which is the whole fucking reason You don't want anyone in an iron man suit. That's like tony's whole concern You want a really good person? Yeah a responsible person And peter he's he's working. He's getting there. He's becoming more responsible And it says that these bits of character no longer exist A why we can tell the difference between thorn cap with milanian It's like what you think there's just nothing for peter when we've these movies are all about him as a person Yeah It tells us exactly what he values and how he goes. He's like he's he's going off road in homecoming and in far from home when he has to come back Because he's learning as you say But yeah marvel could even rehash. That's fine. Um And yeah, and then to end it with this is why people are upset It's like actually it isn't uh if you ask everybody why they're upset they all have different reasons. Um I'm sure they they broadly agree with a lot of these things But like you'll have a passionate group of people declare That peter never fucking does anything himself in homecoming and then you go What about the time where he does and then they're all like um It's not enough though No, you're like, okay. You were so passionate. It seems like you don't even remember what happened in the movie. That's fine. It's okay We'll be here. He's like hi. He doesn't know what he's angry at Yeah, um So, uh, that's it for the adaptation portion of the multimedia medley. Uh, I I I don't know what else we can do sometimes Because we keep we just keep going over the argument over and over and over again trying to re-clarify trying to address The holes that people think that they're poking through to clear, you know Fill them back up again But then give it a couple of weeks and then it just goes back to the same arguments again I know we piss people off with it But it's the best that we can do in terms of just it seems like the most consistent way to look at all of this so We'll have to keep checking out the arguments as they come up, but uh A lot of them seem to rely on just not having listened to what we said anyway, so I'm just like, all right I don't we've never taken issue of people getting annoyed by it. You can get annoyed by it all you want Just don't say that it's bad because it's not the same. Yeah, don't say it's bad because you don't remember the movie now Going back to watch together We're not we're not we're not we're not done with watch together. We're gonna be popping back and forth at this I'm still in it. Like I said multi-media medley. I'm gonna call it multi-media medley two if we do this again Just all over the place. So This was sent to me on discord and I don't care about the the wider context It's just one particular argument that really interested me and I ended up. I think I was gonna call you guys And I told you about it. So it's just like he said this and you guys So now we'll watch it actually happen Let's go is indeed all right. So the context is let's watch nerdy rottick an angry toxic nerd So the context is thought slime a youtuber is responding to nerdy rottick videos and he's called the stream Let's watch nerdy rottick an angry toxic nerd uh Doesn't nerdy rottick makes a lot of enemies. He's just like us and that's that's that's fine. Um He's reviewed nerdy rottick is reviewing the first episode of what if which all of us have seen Uh, yeah, it's bad. It's really bad. Well, all of what if it's pretty bad. Well, at least the ones I saw of course Now All right, so, um, I think this will have the context I don't know if I need to set it up But yes, we'll see nerd rottick make a point and then we'll see thoughts line respond to it And like I said, I'm not too concerned about thoughts line or nerd rottick. That's not really what we're here for I just want you to hear the argument So here we go Gather around kids. Let's have some fun. Essentially. What if captain carter was the first avenger is Captain america the first avenger condensed down to a half an hour with some noticeable differences Including the hero's journey everything that led up to steve rogers becoming captain america, which is what makes him captain america Not the serum that is no, it's the serum It's very clearly the serum. You know, I know because he's not captain america in this one Cause Why is he so smugly smiling about such a terrible point? So yeah, this is like to me of just like holy shit You do not want to be arguing this that what makes you captain america. I think the point is good is the serum That's that's totally not how it works at all captain america now. You got the serum your captain america So There was remember remember the line. Look at that. I can't remember the guy's name, you know, he's strong He's fast. He's a bezels. Uh, he obeys orders. He's a soldier Like he's a bully and then you don't win wars with uh, niceness You win him with guts grenade and then steve jumps on the grenade It's like yeah, what makes him that's what makes him captain america This is why by the way the I think when we were covering falcon went to soldier when it was like falcon isn't Captain america to me If he were designated in universe with that label as like an official military one I'd be like fine But what makes captain america captain america is fucking beyond that and it's beyond having power That's just punishing with the label men as we've talked about what's yeah, like It's It's not You don't just get some bad of the shield. It's like there you go captain america put some stripes on you There you go. There you go. You did that's what makes you captain america Yeah, and doesn't it has nothing to do with this character, which is weird because he's almost entirely known for His character exactly that most important part It's not that he is a guy who's really strong and throws a shield like a frisbee. That's like a surface level observation Yeah, everyone references the jumping on the grenade part. I think a lot of people see it as like that's captain america right there That is captain america. That's captain america. It's jumping on that shield to save the day to It is about being good fundamentally It's not about being really strong gary's right. We don't get that for captain carter She just jumps ahead and that was the first act we yeah Yeah, we skip that and it's you know captain because captain carter is Well, not captain, you know, she peggy is a supporting character in that film We get stuff for her But I mean if you want to do it right you would need to take it from her pov and work from there and lead Up to that point. Yeah, but the problem is 30 minutes ain't enough time to do that You don't have the time to do that and you could have made it work And it's just funny to me that like his logic here is well, he wasn't captain america without the serum so Yeah, it's like that's so vacuous Um, and yeah, to me it's just like ha got you gary. It's like why are you making this point? I don't think you're sad by this Yeah, um The when has it ever been that when you pass down labels from superheroes? It's literally just about whether or not you have the powers Funny Because now i'm gonna ask him a question isn't sam sam wilson is captain america now. He doesn't have the serum That's a big point that's apparently he's not out in america Which and as far as i'm concerned, yeah, you wouldn't need the serum to become the next captain america I agree with that and walker didn't have the serum and he was captain america before Yeah, you have to explain to us how these these mechanics work here Yeah, so I don't know. I was I was pretty abused by this So I was just like what a fucking all because like someone linked it is just like this is not the ode that I think he thinks it is Um And yes thought slimes thought slimes goo is not my goo. All right, that's just some gross off brand Gross shit. Yeah Who knows what we say stay away from that goo everyone. We don't know what's going away from that goo And pending information on my goo at some stage eventually Um, oh rags is currently muted. I was gonna the next thing regards him in some way Oh, should we skip that and then come back to that one? What what what can I throw it instead? All right. Well, we got we go some other side depends if he's like gonna be one second or 10 minutes, you know Uh, I want coffee might this be A good time for me to just talk to chat while you go get coffee great for brave. Yes. Very well In five minutes. How you doing chat? How have you found the multimedia medley? I'm telling you we're only let's see how many subjects we've got and by subjects I mean how many URLs I have to go through. Okay, so we got one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirty fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen to be fit Half of these are images of comments So they'll be relatively quick with the others of videos and oh man, we got some fun stuff left for you guys Uh, we're up to four hours almost. Can you believe it? Um Very thought provoking. Wow I've seen some people saying they're having a lot of fun. Um, I imagine the variety in topics is probably something that shakes things up Um, but of course we can't be as thorough as we may be sometimes Uh, I still don't even know what we're covering next week, you know But I know That we we're gonna have definite things to be covering as time goes on in terms of new releases Who knows maybe enough full halo infinite breakdown. Could you imagine it? Um Think we need more super chats. Well, uh, obviously once we get to probably five hours Depending on how far we are I'll try and get into the super chat portion Should want to be able to go over our limitations Um Is the bad writing is when peter parker parker is x twitter thread coming up You know what? I'll put that on our roster because it's funny. I don't plan to go into any depth with it I'll just post the comparison of what jay said with what was said days after because I think that's in one of my tweets I was watching doctor who with jay and that happened I was like jay look at this tweet jay was like the fuck really? I was like, yep peter parker has to has to surface Which you know I can understand a sentiment beneath it. Um, that's actually of interest, but like when you Do it as blatantly as the tweet did which we will you know what that'll be the next thing We look at because that's kind of slightly more on topic than it will be in moments from now Um, so that'll go there excellent For you needs to install coffee True You don't want to add to the pile of of estes if we can because I'm pretty sure that both these lads have another Five hours in them. So I reckon we'll be able to get through today's at least You're gonna play the other halos in preparation for infinite. I won't have the time Um, but you know my perspective will then be tempered differently than rags and free being that I will be like Passionate wise I I have played reach and three, but I won't have much context. So I can maybe offer a slightly alternative perspective Um, if they release that campaign and it's multiplayer, I wonder if we should all play it together Or should we play it separately so that we can appreciate the story? You know how it goes. We could be meming Four hours of just halftime. Well, I was gonna say this is a good halftime point It's like we've hit four hours gentle viewer if you wish to go to the toilet to prep some food to get yourself a drink Now is the time not that you could just pause it anyway This is actually for the live viewers all of you in chat I can see that you need to be watered Your jebs are getting tired We can't have that Um I doubt the story will be good. I obviously I'll just take it for what it is. I'll chat with them about it I don't know what we're gonna be dealing with Um We're fine long man. I mean some of you might not be you never know got to remind people about their see someone said their flaps are dry so Kind of that By the way, the removal of the um the dislike bar. I think that's hilarious because The jammy nickelson e-fap will now be like it'll just have loads of likes because As far as I'm aware that is what are the more liked e-fap episodes In terms of raw numbers just because of the the the e-fap community being kind of desperate to push back Let's have a look Nickelson I think it has an unusual amount of likes at least Um, yeah, because it's 9.6 to 9.5 right now It would be fun to do a perfectly balanced meme for this But I don't think we're gonna get to that point Because they're removing it at least um, I thought they'd removed it already, but I guess they haven't done it yet Um, did that one get ratio it did but I was gonna say I'm pretty sure it has more likes Than a lot of normal e-faps do let's have a look here Um, if we take a random let's go with the What was what was a what was a recent e-fap that's been out for enough time? That covers something topical Um shang chi uh, yeah, there we go. We'll have a look at this one. So The shang chi e-fap has 2.4k likes the jenny nickelson one is 9.6 So I'm willing to bet That once they remove the dislike bar It will simply it'll go from being one of the most disliked e-fap episodes of all time To one of the most liked episodes of all time, which is pretty funny. I think hello rank. All right. I'm back. Sorry to step out How'd the house thoughts line coming along? Um brilliant brilliant take being We were we were just having a chisel chazzle about it We kind of ended that topic but because you were gone Uh fringy wanted to get a coffee and I was just chatting with the audience while we waited awesome. Yeah Um, uh, fringy brought up by the way that when john looker became captain america He didn't have serum and then when sam became captain america. He didn't have serum. So it's like It's getting a little bit confusing. Hmm. Maybe it's not about the serum I just gotta agree disagree with him because I gotta disagree with the guy Speaking of which well, I guess this isn't really speaking of which I was uh I was reminded of this in chat. So we'll have a look at it while fringy's getting the coffee He'll he'll come back and appreciate it, but it's um, oh my god So j in all of j's wisdom puts out a tweet On november 8th saying good writing is when peter parker has a shitty life the shittier the life the more good the writing is And then The following day a tweet goes viral At uh, do you want to read out what it says rags? Let's see spider-man from from rpk News one spider-man no way home will do to holland's peter what I always wanted make him I don't hate holland's peter or anything, but that's the whole point of the character He has to suffer and lose everyone. He loves jeez Oh god, fuck y'all. Yeah, it's a little bit of a like. Oh Okay Um, so yeah nice nice going j the fucking timing Um, I The funny thing about this is like if anyone tried to argue the sanity of the comment They probably like well, we want our characters to experience hardship, right? And it's like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean read that literally Make him suffer He has to suffer and lose everyone. He loves like damn son calm down Yeah, um, and I just think spider-man fans, man They they say some stuff because j has put out tweets because j's argued with the fucking shit tons of sputumans Fans everywhere. Um, they're like the spider-man fan base is insane. It's just like I don't know just every fan base, right? Because the snider people are they worse or better than spider-man people? It's like, I don't know How do we rate these people, right? From the grass I think it's a snider Went outside just to touch some grass now i'm rejuvenated Excellent. I was just showing rags. This this this these two tweets the grass assumed the beans Don't you love these tweets bring? Oh, yeah, I remember seeing that. That's funny It's just really amusing j should start collecting like the tweets that just specifically ask for peter's suffering Just put him in a big collage And uh, have you heard like tom holland put out a thing being like this is the one where You know, it experiences the most suffering is the hardest one. It's like, oh, i'm so happy suffering. He's like, okay. Okay. All right We're gonna be fine. You just hate spider-man secretly Just a little bit Now this one is it's it's an island of a topic. It's gonna be real quick But it's just funny and I don't know where else to put it So you remember us covering good ol julia cuddney the one who covered black widow. She was talking about her She said as no doubt. You're aware. It's like genius or something. We were like, oh Yeah, genius masterpiece or something like that if you also remember the way she words everything or rather types everything I guess is uh, everything's low case no matter what Um, yeah, I don't know why that's a thing That was one thing that was commented on among many things So, uh, you know, julia's got a twitter and she did she did put out a tweet regarding our coverage No, let's let's check it out. All right The only criticism the mob has of me that snuck through the cracks of my defenses Is that I don't use capital letters That's so heckin valid. I'm sorry letter police emoji The only criticism Somehow I feel like a couple might have slipped through and you chose the one that sounds the least important Yeah Just a theory but uh type like a child, but it's the least of your concern. She's also unprotected There's just like this this dynamic we have on the internet sucks where someone's like i'm going to talk about your thing and you go Run away as if bombs are falling protect themselves all they have to say Is that I don't use capital letters Ha, that's the only thing that snuck through the cracks of my defenses I protected my twitter account because i'm such a cowardly little bitch I mean a little bit. Yeah, I I They do this whole because like they talk about it more than it happens The whole like e-fap and moeller are sending their armies after you and it's like dude It's like fans of ours who like to talk about this stuff. You really get the crazy ones Like calm down. You'll be fine. You'll make it. I swear Um, but I still stand by the fact that I think she was hoping for the genny sort of result Problem is genny is way more popular So like you got to you got to rise those ranks first before you'll get that kind of protection One day though, maybe Yeah, you you you have not risen to the level of having Outright sycophantic fan bases that will defend your precious womanhood Now, um next topic which is rolling by here. We got yeah rolling. There was there was a discussion we were having In one of you have I think it regarded alternative ending slash payoffs in shangchi um We were like what could happen what could happen rags you had a suggestion And um, I guess I guess I'll read this one Because it regards you Done done done so on the shangcheese Yeah, yeah, so what you did you fucking failure was you um, you pointed out You pointed out an alternative thing they could have done in shangchi And um, this person was a little bit upset because what you suggested the arrow thing No, the well, uh, so specifically what they're going to be referencing is that you said That what we could do to create some level of stakes in regards to the magical rings Is for him to know that using all 10 is something no one does because it can destroy you But we can have him use one and you know one does x and then two together is more powerful But harder control Yeah, that's sort of leveling up and use it like a big payoff could be we I don't know if you said this But obviously you could have it be that the dad uses all 10 to save his son or something like that and it kills him You know, you could there's lots of different things we could do with that So you said that and you have a reputation in regards to a particular genre And so this person pointed something out and I I would like us to discuss it. So here we go They said Can't believe rags pointed out one of the oldest most overdone anime tropes and didn't even know it I'm only going to use one ring up to no You've never used all 10 rings before you can't handle it is anime as fuck kind of annoys me Actually how rags talk shit on anime despite not seeming to know the slightest thing about anime Let me guess characters talk in anime and they might even consume food for nourishment. Wow Congratulations rags You've already destroyed the entire thing because the first one only point that needs to be made is Yeah, that does happen in anime. That's not an anime trope. That's a storytelling trope all right, well Moving on then. Yeah. Well, but I know that there will be people listening being like When does this happen in movies? And so maybe we can brainstorm Um, I'll go first fucking ghostbusters Use the proton packs individually put them together And yes, you get more power But holy fuck you're gonna destroy everything and you know what they do in the finale If I can cross the streams brah Yeah, all the time they set up the idea that there is a powerful thing That's very dangerous and only at the end of the film when the danger is at its height and the stakes are at Their highest we have to do the thing we mentioned before that's very dangerous. Yes um I guess because a lot of people say it I am at two I am at what add to uh I have a word cranking the arc reactor to full it's like, but you're gonna die and he's like you gotta do it It's like, oh, we don't we don't we don't push it to the lies like we're gonna do it It's gotta be done. I am and to fire the repulses at each other. You fuck crazy. That's what it is It's like just do it gotta do it Yep Both very anime I guess Unless your brain on anime You just attribute to anime all of these things that you see in it and think that it like belongs to anime or anime came up with it Fucking last jedi did this I know i'm sorry. I'm sorry to reference such a monstrosity, but it did do it um Logan I feel like that's gonna be what that everyone's gonna be referencing as soon as they remember the big payoff I'm gonna nice and vague the big payoff in logan is literally this Uh I guess it's gonna happen a lot in superhero content because there's literally the the power level thing It's like of course that comes up in superhero stuff Um, so yeah very strange to say that it's an idiot move from rags to not notice how anime this is It's like Oh It rags, you know when you suggested that the villain is defeated by the hero How about that happens in anime once it happens in anime all the time I bet when he it's well, I bet when he kills the bad guy, he even screams out loud the name of his attack Super fire lighting mold We're a wind blade storm Then he hits him with whatever that is and then there's a flash and then harrick and dr. Strange should do more of that Labeling the spells is oh they do that in harry potter. So, yeah So, yeah, watch things other than anime. That's right. Yeah, I just I what I always call it I laughed I was just like what the hell like I believe it had several upvotes I cut them out because I try to cut out names a lot of the time, but yeah, I was just baffled by it like the fuck um, and then speaking of strange comments from different videos, I can't remember which one this is from But um, I don't know. I guess rags. Do you want to take this one, bud? I just I would love to take this You go that you go nuts. Oh, it's a chunky boy chunky boy. Let's take a look I love me a good chunky boy comment. So gen Daniel Chico says What do you think you are selling with the super chats a moment of attention a brief conversation? You gain money to feed parasocial relations You should always assume your super chats come from emotionally invested Mentally challenged people who distort everything they hear tangentially related to themselves Take any random giving you money for attention and this description is more likely to be true than false So I just saw this and I was like super chats come from emotionally invested mentally challenged people Yeah, what what the hell? I'm so glad we have an army of emotionally invested Challenged people who throw money at it feels so awkward because I was just like I mean I said super chats am I also That I don't understand like what I don't I'm very confused My hypothesis is that he gave money to his favorite favorite favorite twitch streamer or Or or cleavage streamer or whatever and she didn't say his name on stream Like she did with all the other simp boys. And so he's very ruined super chats for him He's very upset now and he thinks that he's projecting onto everyone else who gives money to a creator and then So I was going to say we could counter all of this but that's why I've left this other comment in because they do A fantastic job, but I guess there's the middle one first if you want to How do you how do you know that telling anyone to assume That all super chats come from mentally challenged people is an asinine request, right? He said you do know that you do know Yeah, you do know that telling anyone to assume that all super chats come from mentally challenged people is an asinine request Right. I don't even know what what do we gain from doing that? If we read all of these assuming you're all insane like yeah, okay Let's get a help. Well, it's because we don't want them to snap them all or we got to keep them Placated, right? We don't want all the crazy people in our audience to go nuts. So Alrighty now we go the last one which may as well just read as a whole thing. I guess Yeah, you never know just what these super chatters we get they're just one unread super chat away from a school shooting We don't want to be responsible for any of that In that case you better stay here listening to efab because we're nice and chill We'll bring you down to to to earth will be great Let's see. So erin says what the hell you do understand that sending a super chat is a great way to get personal questions answered To make the hosts aware of something you might want their input or reaction to To attempt to make the hosts laugh or discuss something you find amusing or to just so support monetarily with a kind message It's not about building a social relationship Or rather the or rather the host for most people And your implication that most people who send super chats are mentally challenged is interesting to say the least It is true that for many people their super chat is the only personal interaction they have with the host And if it doesn't go the way they were hoping it can feel a bit devastating And more and more super chatters need to understand that the host and joy essentially every super chat and we'll discuss whatever comes up Which will sometimes not be the thing that chatter wanted But this painting of super chatters has mentally challenged people just looking for attention is ridiculous And it's not helping the slightest. Yeah, pretty much sums it up I'll second add to that. Um, there's loads of things that are fun about super chatting that go beyond parasocial insanity Sometimes like he just said it's like sometimes you just want to ask a question and guess answered and that's done It's like, thank you. Um, I just just like I I noticed this And it's given me the big smile. I noticed this in our chat and I just want to point out how wonderful this is All right, so this is layers This is what we call So let's start with it. Let's start with a comment itself, right? I am a retarded A reference to ty while also misspelling retarded Perfect, excellent. That's good, right? But it goes further. It does go further. We've got more layers more layers to this His name is waffle time But his picture is that of a bagel It is not a waffle. It is very clearly simply a plain bagel that's subjective background We have So many layers to this And it makes me smile so much so that when you take in the full picture Of waffle time with the bagel picture saying I am a retarded This is just so good And it brings me joy No, oh No, because we're on a train, you know, we're on this wonderful train. So You thought all you and chat were like, is that it for the for the anime? No There was a post oh boy, and it regards. I'm pretty sure all three of us this time at least rags But I think it's all three of us. So I would like even if you guys know the context don't say it. All right We're gonna show chat first. All right, they'll start to guess it, but it's okay So this comes up on the subreddit and I was a little bit confused at first It says wow, look at how similar these anime characters are. No, I'm not mad. Why do you ask and so I see this image and I'm like I don't get it. What what's what's the reference? Are they is there? Don't wait, don't figure it. You'll get told don't worry just because I'm gonna try and keep this a little bit secret Because it's a funny payoff for this. So I I'm like, I'm just like you at that moment I was like I can't remember. I don't know the fuck this is referencing. I was like 26 upvotes This is something I'm missing and I'm a fucking host like with you guys don't don't forget How do we not get out? I hate when we don't get our own memes, you know, I'm just like We failed And then I remembered There was an efap where we were sent a super chat Yeah, and the super chat was in regards to weekend warrior And what his favorite hololive person was And we were like, oh Oh, it's that we can't comment because we don't know much about it. Then we're like, let's go to the website And rags, I believe you said it and I'm pretty sure that we all agreed you you foolishly said what the fuck these are all the same And you pissed off everyone Now for anyone in chat who just saw the image I showed right so this one So they're saying like oh look how similar these all are it's like, okay So what what did we say was similar? What was the image that we made fun of? Uh, man, it's this Oh my god, no Oh, they could go away Now I'm more than happy to concede that they likely have different characters But when you're like, wow, you think these look the same is like, yes Yeah, they do that's it's all just same cookie cutter VR character. They all have a leg up too. Like is that a thing that everyone does Leg up they're all the main the really the only things that make them look different is that they have different color for the hair and like Yes And a slightly different stuff the faces and the body type is like identical These are this is a I like I know they're fake people, but these are really fake people Like Tony Stark is a fake person But he's not like a fake person And I think I saw someone say no some of them are winking Yeah, well some say like sometimes they went different clothing. I'm like we were commenting strictly on this This was the image we were commenting on. Yeah on this particular Why were people so upset with us? What the fuck? This is totally reasonable to be like. Oh, yeah, they look the same I squirm looking at this And I'm baffled if you go back to the previous image. It's like you've got A dog and then a wolf or it could be a dog I'm not 100% sure this weird like pokemon creature Like a much younger kid what seems to be like a young adult How is this the same I look at this and I'm like, yeah, these guys do look different They have different faces different body types very different clothing Like they're different people exactly. It's like and I don't know if that's the joke It's just like there's sort of in on it or something But I started watching the first episode of cowboy bebop all of those people look different. Yeah I'm gonna continue watching it. Well, there's you. There's your right. There's your there's your arm I'll throw the bone. I've started watching cowboy bebop. So I think one of them Does not have a leg raised Bottom row third from the right. Yeah. No, there is one there that has uh, yeah, she has she has different colored leggings I think one of them has slightly risen off the ground though You're right. It is It might they might be one might be further back than the It might be it's hard to tell because science team all the other ones definitely have at least one leg raised It's like yeah, the best I could say is that her tippy toes are on the on the ground What's one is hmm, I think I was irritable Uh So, yeah, I I was just laughing at that. I was like, I gotta put this on if I was so amusing. Um, which takes us To a different format once again back to watch together Yeah Okay, I don't know how else to explain the context for this than just saying what it's titled A fish biologist reacts to Hassan's thalassophobia So And now greater context. There's a guy who I guess runs a fish biologist channel I'm not sure someone made a compilation of him reacting to Hassan talking about why he's afraid of the water Now I didn't know that Hassan feels that he shouldn't go in the ocean ever But he does and he explains his reasoning And uh, what we're gonna do I've I've just set some timestamps because we can't I don't think we're gonna have the time to watch the whole thing We've got some other stuff to do But I was pretty amused when I put this on the background. So we're gonna check it out It's like a son. Yeah If you give me just a moment, I'll be back and I'll be back. I gotta go get something. Okay. Um, all right I will boot it up. So what is what is the phobia specifically that's So thalassophobia as far as I know is just your fear like open water Oh, okay, right. I guess I can see how that would be something that Uh, thalassophobia is the fear of the ocean or other large bodies of water This phobia may stop people from visiting the beach swimming in the sea or traveling by boat Now man, imagine imagine if that stopped you traveling by boat. God damn What's the thing? I um, I don't know that I I would have anything close to what would be considered thalassophobia I do Like find the idea of being in a completely open and vast ocean just in the middle of it kind of terrifying But that's mainly because I feel like I'm gonna die Yeah, I feel like I because it's funny right because I live in a country where there is Shit that is in beaches that people go to regularly that is very dangerous Um, like blue blue ring dr. Pie um box jellyfish Um, of course, we've got lots of sharks and stingrays over here There's a whole bunch of things in the water that might kill you Um, but even then it's just the easy rationalization is oh, but like that's super duper duper duper unlikely It is it is it would be the equivalent of I don't know going for a walk um I don't know in a wilderness area and then um in australia and then being worried that you're gonna get ambushed by like a Dingo or a platypus or something Yeah, we were just talking about like how fears work and stuff and it's like yeah, there's stuff that's within reason But there's also stuff that's absurd and um Uh, I I totally understand people having thalassophobia is totally chill But like I was just saying I I understand why someone would develop it for sure It's just I mean, of course because I'm trying to rationalize it and that's you know, these are phobias it's um Yeah, uh, but it's still intrigued because if someone has a phobia So for example, I just I have a standard fear of the dark and I tell you because I'm pretty sure tentacle monsters are in it You guys would be like, um Okay Giant squid Just yeah, meanwhile if I just told you no, I just it's kind of a rationalist someone to have him when I was younger And I just I can't you know, whatever you just like, oh, yeah fine But the second you like rationalize it that way you start to be like, uh Okay, and there's more comment to be had but um, what's happening is Hassan's doing one of his famous streams And he's checking out a video Uh, I think called like the five things that you didn't know were in the ocean or something and um He's reacting to it and then he's talking about why he doesn't go to the ocean Something I didn't even know was a thing but uh, yeah, this guy is gonna respond to it And we're gonna respond to this guy responding to Hassan responding to that video Because this is efem. All right, here we go. So we watch Hassan Hassan's a Turkish politics guy Very big streamer a lot of people like him And apparently he watched the five most mysterious unexplained sea creatures, which we've already watched But I think it'd be interesting because he has absolutely no idea Like he knows nothing about the ocean anything or science. I was gonna say anything really like we've learned this Shocked he can dress himself in the morning It's the kind of thing where we feel like what do you think Hassan's opinion is on it just like stop There's no point. Why why you're not gonna get anything. I don't care what the subject was you just talking I can't get anything In general, he's a politics guy So like this guy that a lot of people look up to is the super intelligent well-spoken guy Let's see if he believes Unexplained sea creatures these things once again show us the endless possibilities the ocean is home Yeah, fuck that sit back. I know that's a coral reef. What? Coral reefs are great. They're colorful and they're big habitats That's a weird statement. Fuck that a coral reef. You know how many people visit the crepe specifically to look at those things They're cool and he got off the chair very ear of intelligence It's like a this almost feels like a callback is like look he's left It's the thing that he's already gone It's been two seconds By unknown sea creatures. Is he even watching it? Ha It's it's so beautiful He has no idea he's just stumbled into this hornet's nest Okay, Dave rig himself theorized the only explanation could be that's another even larger cannibal great white shark was Not the only explanation. I don't even know if you're listening. Does he even have the headphones on? Making it one of the longest great whites ever If you look he looks bewildered hasabi often does he has no idea what to think Motherfuckers want to go in the water when that's there, dude No, you want to go exist on you want to exist on the surface of the planet while polar bears are a thing That's how useful your observation is someone in his chat brings that up and it gets pretty funny Oh, right. He's gonna yell at him and then ban him as well Like well, I'm gonna go that far but he will he will address that again in the most sound way possible Straight up. No, thank you, dude. Okay I do not understand Why the fuck you would ever go in the water when there's like a 0.0000001 chance that that's in the water with Like this on doesn't drive a car. What the yeah, because it's a lot more likely that you're gonna just die It's again, the easy one is you're more likely to die because a coconut falls on your head Then you ought to be eaten by a shark Because when I first heard this I was like what like you can't be serious Like yeah, I'll do a lot of things where I have a 0.0000001 chance of dying That's called like existing on this planet really much at any given time Walking next to the road crossing the road Driving there's a likelihood that we could get an aneurysm at any moment like Yeah, of course the likelihood a lot of things not him at that that requires brain activity. He's not gonna get an aneurysm His brain has already reached entropy There's not that chance There's not it was like eaten by an orca, right? so it's like An animal that has never once harmed a human outside of captivity where you know They're kept in very small cages in horrifying conditions And I you know, I don't blame them for lashing out in the wild and orcas never hurt a person so Or was alpha pulled deep down in the ocean and um, that's awesome. I was gonna say that image That is awesome Um, like I said, we're not gonna watch the whole thing Not not just for the fact that we got things to get to but also because I'd recommend this video. Um I just say check it out. This does look fun. Yeah But um, yeah, we're mainly here for Hassan to be fair Haas is being a fake bullshit. They're approving biological explanations and this are common animals Nothing I feel like I'm gonna have to play that again for the appreciation. That's so fucking funny Haas this video is fake bullshit. They're approving biological explanations and this are common animals So we're just told him it's like fake bullshit They're approved explanations and he just read it and then did not react at all He didn't even say okay. He didn't say no He just read the message and then just started playing the video That's our boy Yeah, it's just brain is just not registered that shit. It's done. So The fuck is that about that is definitely not an orca, but it could be look at that friendly orca or an undiscovered creature Why does he keep leaving? Is this what Hassan streams are like? I've never watched a horizontal Hassan stream My friend Welcome to the family Let me tell you something about Hassan biker He's talked twice the entire time and just keeps walking away. Why would you ever watch this? What a fantastic question Yeah, this is lucious You know how I talk about not stealing content, you know adding your own thing to it trying to like add your own information This is just flat out stealing content He just doesn't care because he has a wide enough audience. That's hilarious our video comrades He's starting to get a round of notice more and more people are adopting the center of it a man There's like twitch streamers who just they just watch stuff and like remember how we all hated that and now we don't care I'm fucking so so glad this person comes the exact same conclusion. We did but again a completely different genre It's just like he's doing the exact same shit biology to everyone. This is what hasad does I was hoping though through this video to learn some fish facts as well I was hoping so as well. I hope we get some. Maybe I will um You might do in the parts between like I said, because again, I would probably promote this video or rather the channel I'm not 100% sure what his channel is called though. Uh, I don't know if he made this or not avavng Is it? Yeah, I'll post the linked in the um Angry video games No, it's avg. Yeah, but Well, because I was gonna say is that his channel or is that a compilation channel? I think it's his channel. Yeah I'm not sure. There it is in the chat Uh avng. Yeah Hey, did I say g? I'm not 100% sure anymore. I've kind of forgotten, but I think you were right about that channel. I think that is his Yeah Yeah, so yeah big channel Don't know how well people know this this channel at all, but yeah the link in the chat to check out the full video We're just going to be checking out little bits little bits Just Need some fucking shit you fucking stupid bitch. Uh, just kidding. Oh, I'm gonna watch this straight up the fucking point That is why I don't go in the ocean. So the blue whale can't eat me. Okay The blue whale The blue whale the carnivore Thanks for sharing. I guess Thank god the blue whale is warning you if you don't go in the ocean You got a valid point there my dude And here you are making fun of me saying that I'm crazy for not going in the ocean You are a little bit insane. Yeah, you are a little insane So you think you're gonna get eat? I'm pretty sure I watched a video on this uh that like it's specifically because blue whales have the bristles Um that make it so that krill and stuff go into their mouth Yeah, um bigger things don't get in there I think that the video that concluded that the one you need to be worried about is this I don't think it was a sperm whale. It was there is one whale Um, but it's mainly the teeth you got to worry about not being swallowed whole Baleen is it uh bright? Oh No, wait, uh, now i'm getting confused. You got baleen baleen baleen in chat baleen He died in moria Okay, people a lot of people are saying Yeah, I don't know that he didn't die. Moria was buried in moria We just saw earlier though that this guy said the orcas have an attacked human So or don't often attack humans out in the wild I don't know did so it lord of the rings nerds in chat Did baleen die in moria or was he just buried in moria? Let us know Also, it's weird that how how many people just randomly know the correct terminology for whale bristle blue whale bristles Hey, look erot. It's uh, it's but yeah bollin. Oh bollin whale Oh, wait, wait, no wait lord of the rings is bollin bollin the bollin whale Baleen is well, maybe if bollin, you know, maybe didn't feel comfortable in his days bollin Did believe the whale dying moria Baleen He just sitting there There's probably well, there was an underground lake where the ball rock fell in. Yeah, so maybe that's where bollin is That's why he's just sitting dead They buried him next to bollin Oh, yeah, it was whenever they wanted to feed him. They'd get some uh shrimp or whatever They'd throw it off the bridge of kaza doom And it would a week later fall A week later I like the idea that there's somebody whose job that is and they're just watching out for that fucking ball rock She's like the fuck is it? I love the idea. No, that's not the ball rock. That's bollin. Yeah, she's great Bollin, that's right. Yeah, I do they do feed it that way, but by the time it gets down there, it's rotted food They've generations have been feeding so you can't not do it or else there's a gap in the food The fish that the shrimp die of old age before You drop them in their fish bowl so they can survive This this impromptu lord of the ring segment to the crop to you by blue whales and Kaza's been streaming for seven hours Damn, he's beaten us Yeah He's also okay to do that by the way. We're not We're not going in the ocean But you are crazy. You are absolutely crazy There blue whale is not capable. It doesn't even make It makes no sense and it's so dumb. It's just just because of things big does not equal scary and dangerous Guess what? I'm not going to be eaten by a fucking blue whale. You're right. You're not and nobody is Whales don't eat people So that's a fear you can rule out. There has been some speculation I don't want to be attacked by a bear. So I'm gonna live on the ocean that way they can never right Yeah, so that's the obvious fucking character Don't be attacked by a bear so I'll live on the ocean So, how does this how does this heart respond? Let us let us see the difference is you don't fucking know, dude You can see a bear. Okay, and you know where bears are on the land If you can see the bear you might be in trouble Yeah, I like the idea. Hey, look, you've seen the polar bear. So you're okay. Oh, it's running towards you. We'll just outrun it Oh, you can't oh It's not you seeing the bear you need to be worried about it's the bear If you see the bear there's a good chat you're already in a bit of trouble Dude, that's a perfect animation right there is like him explaining this Like the one of the whichever polar bears are he's just like if we can see the polar bear points in it It's like then we're safe and he continues to explain it as the polar bear keeps getting closer We can see it so it's fine Apply these animals that are dangerous that live in urban areas like snakes. Well, maybe not in america, but you know snakes spiders Yeah, yeah, like you got to be worried about those they can kill you and they live in houses and stuff Not snakes fortunately, but you know spiders and stuff they give me in your house. So do you just go out in the ocean? Just go to space I bet Hassan if he Hassan's the kind of guy who do you got do you know about the ravenous bug bladder beast of trawl? Yes I yeah Well, Hassan's the kind of guy he reminds me of that Hassan is like if if he sees a bear and a bear sees him and the bear is charging him to attack him Hassan would put his hands in front of his eyes. Assuming that if he cannot see the bear The bear cannot see He might work, you don't know um Yeah, and obviously everyone's referencing is like wait is he suggesting the whale is invisible as like let's let's continue Let's continue for a sake so much more information Does he think blue whales are invisible? You can see a bear. You can't see a blue whale. So someone with chat brought up dracula untold Exactly, exactly if Hassan just covered his eyes. He wouldn't be able to see it. Therefore. He wouldn't be afraid of it It's just solid logic genuinely incredible Uh Because I thought it was like I didn't realize that's what we would deal with when I was listening to this video I was like, is he actually he's actually arguing this. Okay. All right Wait, is it seem like they know what they're saying? We have not mapped out We've only mapped out like what 10 of the fucking ocean or some shit Uh, again, this is one of those ones We're like it's better to just let the guy respond to us because he's gonna have way better arguments to make No, I Have only mapped out 10 of the ocean ocean I think the topography of the ocean. Yeah, we know the whole thing. It's complete. I think we we know a decent amount Well, watch what he does. Cool. There's the entire world's oceans mapped out by depth by temperature Got salt maps There's current maps. What else would you guys like to see current maps? Is in is in the current currents currents like the Gulf or is it just a really updated? I don't know It's confusing. Yeah. Oh my goodness mysterious giant shark Isn't it interesting from Japan conducted a study so we know Pacific sleeper shark Greenland shark Exaggerated features, you know We know all of that, but I have a feeling that he is going to assume megalodon More about these depths is hard to believe anything could survive But surprisingly there are many fish and living organisms down. Oh, no, what are you about to say? Saying dude, this shit is fucked Dude Is it the bottom of the fucking ocean? Yeah, but that it can climb right up there and get you while you're Just wants to be your friend. I know he's chill He's like, there's a lot of scary monsters down here. I just need someone right now Actually Yeah, like Hasan if you can withstand the weight of like 20 000 semi-trailers stacked on your head and can hold on to your Like you can breathe in and not exhale for like Like a day to swim down to the bottom of the ocean. These creatures can't survive where you would be No, they cannot They live right at the bottom of the ocean. Yeah And it's like underwater man The yellow one is cute the yellow one is very Kind of over there the one on the bottom right not so much. Not so much. Yeah, he's just trying to hang out with all these monsters It'll be a sitcom Shit down there There's a fucking comb jelly. It's just a moving plastic bag This is a dumbo octopus. This is the cutest thing in the world. Yeah, it's been confirmed by a fish biologist Night you can't see any it's pitch black down there. You can't see shit and then there's like fucking little aliens down there This thing looks pretty cute. I bet that it's a vicious creature though. I bet it's not It is not Yeah Nope, just a dumbo octopus. It just kind of flaps its ears and then floats Bro, you can't even see dude. It doesn't It covers the entire fucking thing Oh my god Oh my god, dude It's just a fucking greenland shark Dude, it's just like a probably like a 300 year old shark who's just chilling just having a good time and his song's like, oh my god I mean if he's scared of blue whales eating him it makes sense. I guess that he'd be scared of a greenland shark Isn't that a greenland shark What what are you a fucking shark expert dude? I don't know you can't know Yeah, this is this is unprecedented. I love that. What are you a fucking shark? Maybe I don't know I was thought he said shark That's a great movie Yeah The greenland shark can live 200 plus years. What? You know Why is that more scary is that more scary shouldn't that make it less scary it's a little old man shark with a walking frame No, no swimming frame No, it's got hundreds. It has centuries Worthy has centuries of experience on how to hunt and kill humans. No specifically his son It's like I've seen things in my years on this ocean floor God hold old I tell you when I get I can't remember them so very good Come on. What are you a shark expert dude? So that's fine. Let's see your sea creature. Megalodon is extinct It is real, but it's extinct I'm pretty sure. Yeah, congrats I'm pretty sure This guy's just like off of fuck's sake It came so close One true thing This close to greatness left it dammit. I was I was happy with Hasan for a second. Well, you gave it your best ever, buddy Yeah, those are just some little bits of it. Um, I get the fishery. I don't know if that's what he the channel is I guess, I don't know. But um, yeah, let me let me take a look because this this video is on AV in G Jay edited by So the fish let me the fishery FFF fishery You know, the ocean is really cool when you think about it. There's like there's so much cool stuff in there Some of it's scary, but um, there's plenty of stuff on earth that's scary too. So Yeah, this is this looks like AV in Jay Looking through his other uploads fear of water Um, fish biologists reacts to this and that and the other thing seems to be the guy and I just find it amusing that no matter the uh The topic no matter the genre the same result The sun knows fucking nothing about what he's talking about That very confidently states all of these perspectives And like oh my god, look at how scary this fish is that lives like 8 000 kilometers below the surface of the planet Well, you know, we just sit here wondering like why are you watching this people? It's like Oh Now I know many people are aware of this I know you are but Many people aren't okay, and I had to have this play on eFab now. I considered getting The original context plus the original actual quote just to compare and then I was like oh, but it's all in this one place From someone who edited a short reacting to the thing that I want us to react to so you can just Basically have his commentary on top, which is mainly just laughing Um, I almost don't want to spoil it in terms of just this is how I first found out that Hasan said this thing Now, I know you both know it's been said I know people in chat will know But I'm just going to play this video and this video for context is um A streamer called our relevant is is made a short on youtube of him reacting to someone who made an animation Making fun of the concept of someone being like, you know spread the wealth But also when I get wealthy, I want to keep it just your standard sort of thing And they reference a quote and then our relevant stitches it with the thing that it's referencing And so I'm just going to play the whole thing. Enjoy Okay The grossly affluent is a moral obscenity Our economic system inevitably leads to a pre-sploitative power hierarchies Redistribution is the only ethical option Uh, but now that I think about it a little more clearly Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow. I think I heard that in a video game once and you know Did That is literally is supposed to be a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow Is a bio shock andrew ryan reference that is supposed to be libertarian, right? But actually it is inherently socially What uh Yeah Okay, okay If you got a rags if you got a little bit confused that what he meant by this is the meme is that it's making fun Specifically of hasan having said it Yeah, oh, okay. I got you. I got you. All right So this is pretty unreal the first time I saw it. I couldn't believe he'd fucking said this on his dream But he did um I mean Where do you even begin? Uh, I'm trying to see from his perspective How he thinks that you know Like I'm trying to figure out how could he twist that into being which is How can he twist that into being? inherently socialist I guess my I almost feel like hey, do you know who ian rand is like i'd be curious if I know what his answer is to that She escaped the soviet union. I don't know that you don't even you don't need that you don't even need that really I was just um because it's like fundamentally The whole point of andrew ryan. It's like hardcore like libertarian And I don't know that it's even relevant if say for example, I don't know there was a famous quote from hitler where he said like Do all of the good except the stuff that's real bad You wouldn't want to cite it at that point. It is a it is a Quote that applies specific like using it being like hey, you know what it's socialist All it does is cast an image in everyone's head of adrew ryan It's like that guy is not a fucking socialist. What are you doing? is like why would you Why would you say that the quote from andrew ryan supports an ideology? absolutely not It's uh, yeah, so the idea being that the animation I think was made after Hasan said this and so it's just amusing and like I said, I saw this animation. I was like that's that's funny I guess Wow, have you have you seen the whole cartoon? Yes, I have not no Well, I don't know if we we should play that because that's a lot of work for someone. Okay We'll just be playing it and just watching the whole thing without saying anything. So just put it in your back pocket to watch Yeah He was in um, I think adam and sitius chat and I was like, oh my god, uh, your video was hilarious the animator. Yeah, yeah Oh, that's really cool. He uh, he's been around for a long time I want to say I've seen that like guy in memes and stuff before through the years Or at least like something similar to it. Maybe I'm just confusing him with someone else He's made a couple. I think he made a um, a new guy video that was relatively popular. Remember that meme? It was like the first meme of 2020 or something. Oh, yeah, I remember the I remember that. Yeah He's a man not entitled to the That is literally like is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow I just can't get over that shit. It wasn't stopping funny It was actually in the socialist manifest It is just so bizarre to see somebody take a quote from a hardcore libertarian in a game that is clearly heavily Based on the stuff from iron rand Just be like, yeah, no, that's that's that's just known socialist That's like a socialist quote. What are you doing? What? Infinity funny and it only spells to everybody. There's no fucking clue where it's from But he still is like it's from andrew ryan, but it's inherently socialist They got it wrong the writers of bio It's just funny because it's like so I guess you don't know Do you know wrap shit is you know what like the point of that city was and the objectives of andrew Like why do you think he said that and do you think that it supports the position? I The son piker why is it so popular an infinite source of hilarity? I'm afraid that's it for his son piker coverage. That's all I got. All right. That's fine with me Yeah So next up we got us a wonderful little video that I was linked so many so many two minutes Um, but it's called every shitty video essay ever which has been a couple of these. Um, I like the lot of them really But um, yeah, after all the stuff we've covered on e-fap, I feel like this will be familiar But let's let's have a look see shall we? Hi And this is my video essay channel Today i'm gonna talk about your favorite band or maybe a movie you like Here's a bold claim about them that I can't possibly justify but would make a good title to the beatless invented music All right Here's some information It's so fucking true. Yep, uh, that's all this video's in the base. So yes These essay videos they're like the anime girls from that site the hollow site whatever it is Hey, sometimes you can tell the difference between the characters of those are hollow girls. Okay this shit. It's all that's true I can distinguish between the hollow live girls one of them doesn't have their leg all the way raised So it's very Someone said there's a comment that this is molar in the comments of this I think how the fuck is this anything like what I do Like we'll go for a bit further But can you spot any trope in here that is something that I do in my videos about the band you speak I didn't really bother to dig any deeper because why should I? Now i'm gonna misuse a handful of big words and sayings to cover up the fact that I don't really have that much To say on this topic The Beatles titular album revolver was entirely detrimental to the rock world and they worked around every clock To come up with the follow-up the follow-up in question being sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band Here's an isolated track from a song, you know I'm gonna pause just in case because I have no idea how this is going. Yes in case, yeah Bet you never heard an isolated track before Now I'm gonna make a bold statement. That's just my opinion, but frame it like it's a fact. Oh boy Fucking everyone does this one. There are three key aspects in every hit song that make it a hit Oh god, it feels like when we come to fomento like there are there are these things you have to do Are the rules I've discovered all the rules for a thing. I am not an industry Yeah, the lyrics the beat and of course when all else fails the guitar Yep By the way, how about these sexy motion graphics, huh? Fucking mock brown The only thing that's preventing you from realizing this is a ninth grade class presentation. Why am I talking like this? I heard you cuss me. I'm talking like Talk kind of like this once Sounds pretty academic furthermore Remember that bold claim that I made at the beginning of the youtube video Did you expect me to prove that claim and that's how the Beatles invented music? I hope you like this thing In video form Is it supposed to be like an academic journal? What the fuck is this? I don't know. I have a patreon Nice it feels like it's referencing all the shit that we've been through the past three years I don't know. It's funny because that last part is interesting in terms of like white What exactly is this because it's called like a video essay, but it's like what does that mean? What does that actually mean? Um in terms of what you're doing here. Yeah I feel personally attacked. It's like this this It addresses so many things. It's wonderful. And it's so quick. This is what gadelp is supposed to be as well basically Yeah, just more specific with the stuff we cover um so Similarly in terms of just talking about how shitty video essays are um, I believe This is uh, well it says high top alex retweeted. So I'm assuming they they're on good terms But uh, check check this out feel like we're a little bit too honest with this one Uh fringy. Do you want to read this? Uh Okay, oh boy Uh people often ask how can I make videos like you? I don't know that's what this guy sounds like and the answer is simple Come up with a very basic take on a movie and write it out in the most outlandishly convoluted way possible Add an instrument from a sad song at the end and edit in monochrome repeat every three to six months Nice I don't know why he would retweet that though Well, because it's like lol, we have fun here and it's like but this is what you do Yeah, you can't do that like I top doesn't thinks that he doesn't think he's part of that group No, I'm sure he thinks it's what's really cool It being about him Because um, I don't have the soul to understand that the key formula that we've identified Brazilians a years ago with these guys is you watch the movie and you go What uh, what is the theme and it's like if you can't come up with one Just make one up and then pull what was useful to justify it At that ignoring a whole bunch of other information. Yeah, then make it sound Washi ending at the end throw in really important words. Yeah It's like this mattered a lot. Whatever I was talking about Which is funny because they're they're usually only like 10 to 15 minutes and they say very little and waste a lot of time Um, but I don't know. I saw this. I was just like that's pretty oddest Because this is basically what you guys do Um But you know, that's that's that's fine Which means we're done with that video essay portion now on to the next topic. Who knows what we're going next This medley. I know it's crazy getting intensity. Um, it's like the characters of this Podcast it's like Resident Evil where the last episode has nothing to do necessarily with what came before it Do you remember when we talked about Eternals? That was a while ago. Oh my god, you're right So, uh, this is context. So we're gonna read this or rather I guess I'll just read this out and you guys are gonna be a little bit like what why are we reading this? It'll make sense. But for now, we're just gonna read it. Uh, it regards the, uh, I guess combination of talent between this Lashana Lynch, I think is her name the the lady from captain marvel and no time to die Talking about, um, Phoebe wallabridge being a writer on Uh, the the film as well. So first quote says Lynch said her biggest wish for the character was for her to be a real woman this regards, uh, the new 007 I forget her name, but that's who she was in the film Um, whose line of work doesn't make her masculine and slick Something she says wallabridge ran with and helped her bring to the screen. She has it together She's highly competent and highly a very highly skilled, but she's a real human being and sometimes she's awkward lynch Explained And that's what's so clever about Phoebe's writing. Once we'd had a conversation about her possibly being awkward There were some moments that I read that were just like, oh no, she really gonna say that on uh in the scene I'm so here for it. Okay. This seems relatively normal so far You continue I thought there might be a scene where she's coming out of the toilet and you see her throw a tampon in the bin We don't need to make a meal out of it, but we're in the ladies room You're gonna see someone pick their nose or pull out a wedgie bottom line This woman's gonna be relatable Of course while it's fascinating to learn about how lynch's character was developed This isn't the first one of the film stars have spoken about wallabridge's transformative impact on the film Um, that tampon throw was transformative. So Would you say it is safe to be like what the hell that's the input I'm just baffled I So if if we were so if we had a masculine character Let's say a guy if you will who was you know, just a guy bond whatever And in order to make him more relatable to men, he just had was screaming in pain trying to scratch his ass Fucking just trying to get that shit out, you know Um, it's really weird and a lot of people saw that and were like, what the fuck is gonna happen with this new Bond film with this writer Phoebe wallabridge like what what we need to see 007 lady throwing a tampon in a bin. I see that that's very necessary very strange Now that combined with a bunch of other things I don't have more references at the time because this is the multimedia medley. We're going real fast at least by efeff standards Uh, a lot of people were not looking forward to her writing influence on Uh, james bond as well as she's I think I don't know if you guys are aware But she's gonna have a major influence on the new indiana jones Specifically the concern is she's going to take over for indiana jones Which is um, wait, so She's acting in that right? Is she also writing it? Um, I'm not I'd have to check I just I just know obviously her influence is why I was kind of vague on that because yeah, right That would be strange to be the character and then you write the character and then you write that okay, all right Continue so With that in mind many people in different spheres were worried about her input and they were they were like Oof no time to die and go suffer Um, I knew this I don't know how many people did know this but that that was just something that was known And then I was linked this uh, I I apologize But we do have to check out a bit of a chris stuckman review. Um, no just a bit just a bit So okay good old chris I know chris is talking about no time to die And uh, and he says this over that character if they ever decide to do more But people get up in arms about a lot of things nowadays outrage is very popular it's extremely Monetizable to get mad about things and scream and people were upset that they brought on febe waller bridge as a writer because I guess She's a woman Brilliant that's that's gotta be it. It's because she's a woman you've put chris. This is exactly the kind of incredible insightful commentary That you're known for fucking brilliant job. You'll go far in this business. You're saying all the right things You're saying all the right things. Keep it up. Wear that metroid shirt Uh, it's proof. He's a nerd Come on man. You got all your cred there in the back. Just keep keep it going. You're doing the thing You're mailing it So like everyone linked this to myself Drinker gary a couple of others being like this is obviously a direct message And I was just sitting there like well, so did he actually ever find out what the issue was because Does he know that they're okay with female writers? Does he know that? I guess not. Uh, so this is pretty awkward and I guess it's just like a cheap shot Which is pretty funny because he's recently been on this whole band of like We got to be respectful to people who are creatives and giving their own voice to different things But simultaneous to be like should have women haters just after saying Man, these people like to hate because it's so monetizable. It's just like You're gonna use some layers of irony here, Chris Light exactly bending over, you know Just god, he never says anything interesting and the most interesting thing he says Is when he like leaps out of his cage of niceness to say something edgy. It is just like shut the fuck up, chris Sit down and be a good way But something interesting the the fun enough it was I was on an open bar with with drinker And I was told about this and I think it was in the discord There was there's this video made and it was called like Chris duckman destroys critical drinker and the video was just playing that clip basically And it's like, huh It's just like yeah destroyed Now I would I would like you to read the description rags of this video. I snipped it out Chris duckman video here So this video was created by someone to clip out something from a chris video and labeled it it destroying drinker And this was the description of that video Okay, chris stuckman is known for his movie and iconic Sorry Chris stuckman is known for his movie in iconic catchphrase get stuckman eyes He is also an up and coming hollywood director working on his debut feature film shelby oaks Critical drinker is a failed screenwriter who mostly rants about black and brown people in the media He's also friends with mecha random 42 Brie Larson Mike zero Mike zero the quartering overlord dvd Jeremy geeks and gamers the fandom menace midwest lee Doomcock that star here. He said that that star wars girl nerd roddick Heal versus baby face the critical Drinker, I guess you can stop because the point is apparently just for tags. This has nothing to do with anything Okay, um All right, this is just a youtube algorithm. Help. Why are you even reading this? Do you don't have anything better to do? Um, you write it But not only that just God, how embarrassed would you be if you're criss-tucked by what he says known for his iconic catchphrase get stuckmanized The actual shittiest catchphrase ever in the universe gets stuckmanized And then critical drinkers are failed screenwriters like what do you mean? He's a published author I don't know that he ever did screenwriting. Did he He's died didn't even know he was a screenwriter. I don't know how good he is an author I haven't read his work, but I didn't know he was a screenwriter Dang Isn't the meme that Ben Shapiro was the failed screenwriter I don't know. I uh, I I have some memory of that but I didn't know that uh, I didn't know that drinker Had ever tried to write a screenplay that's But even the irony here being that it's okay to be a failed screenwriter Well, yeah, yeah, that's kind of the funny part right is it's like are you shitting on somebody for trying and not succeeding at their That's a little bit, you know Um, so I just thought that was kind of just funny and like obviously everyone in the comments section was just like Where's the destroying? When does that happen? The guy was like, uh, like the whole video Oh And then uh, this was shared on the discord as well Um, I just screenshotted to erase the the names This is discussing, uh, I think the topic was critical drinker in in relation to just coverage of movies, but um I don't know either you either of you could take this one if you want I I can take it. Sure. Uh, there's a gap here. What what what do we got? Let's let's take a look man I'm just gonna rant here for a bit As I want to be filmmaker who has spent years trying to learn it is still learning What makes a good script this shit's kind of disrespectful People like star wars theory moller quartering critical drinker All these guys have no respect for the struggle it takes to write and direct a good movie They have this stupid idea that world building and lore and flashy fan service are all you need to make a good script They have no understanding of plot structure narrative development or how to make a coherent character arc Because in their mind all media should exist to please the audience's self-masterbottory fan theories If these guys were just random people making fan fiction for fun I wouldn't care But the problem is these guys have massive followings and they legitimately think they're good writers. It's so so annoying man Who is he talking about again? So this is the thing. I have no fucking clue who they're referencing. What when has this been anything that we talk We value Just vapid fan service. Yeah, we complained about it a lot We were famously hated upon for complaining about luke's appearance in my season two This is not us that they're talking about I'm just shitting on fan service Like no understanding of plot structure narrative developers like have you seen any of my videos? I talk forever about these things like Talks too long about them What have what have you ever said that you think you're a good writer? You don't write fiction. Nope never said that And you got they legitimately think it's like I've never even fucking claimed this like not even as a joke. What the fuck? And then I really don't like the powers says they have no respect for the struggle It takes to write and direct a good movie that is precisely what drives us We basically we've often talked about the people that we really respect and admire as filmmakers writers and like how difficult Yeah, the whole point of it's espousing this like yeah, it's really difficult to write something good But the effort is always worth it We often lament the fact that so many people work so hard on movies that are shit because it gets like yeah We definitely do that talking about all the people who are working like actors You know composers everybody working on the set vfx artists set designers costume designers props and like generally Good in movies because people really put a lot of care and effort people work really hard on movies But that's never been anything that we've ever people work hard on stuff that isn't good as well exactly hard on the third rike You could have said the room, but I don't know. Uh, I would just go as far as saying like, you know, Lord of the Rings It's like phenomenal work from basically everybody involved Uh, and then simultaneously the last Jedi. It's like it's really really hard work when in there from a lot of people Um, we got we got different results different different results Yes, and others some people maybe worked hard, but did a horrifically bad job But well, I mean it's ultimately the discussion of like people people when they observe your work You're usually pretty unrecept like how hard you work is usually secondary to whether or not they enjoyed it It's something like Jackie Chan talked about whereas like are you gonna go around to the theater and tell everybody Well, we worked really hard. We were there for like 12 hours today Like you can't explain that to everybody. They just see what's there Yeah That's the same with like basically all creative enterprises people don't care how Bungie pretty much everybody who's Really good at kind of it like it's just something that you have to acknowledge It's like people don't care that much how hard you work. They care about whether it's good or not Well, all you have to do is look into this person's opinion history and you'd be able to Point hypocrisy and what I mean by that is they probably like everyone else on something they probably complain about cyberpunk 7 2077 Let's just take that for example And I could be like you have no respect for the struggle the developers went through when they were making that Yeah, you have no respect for the struggle of making video games. You know how hard it is to make these video games It's a miracle that they work at all exactly Part two Right, right. You're in part two Oh, I'm sorry. I care a thousand times this fans don't want to compare a 1000 times this I do like that Fans don't want a compelling story that challenges or surprises the audience They want exposition dumps with references to stuff from five films ago that none of the living characters would know about It's all fan The worst kind of storytelling as it's all self gratifying. Holy shit. So first the worst kind of storytelling. Wow Good. I I just assume it's all in reference to Star Wars because it always fucking is right So, oh, we don't want exposition dumps or stuff from five films ago It's like that literally happens in tlj fucking luke talks about how the jedi in the prequel era was with shit He has the whole thing about it. They're already doing the thing you're complaining about So I don't know why you're bringing this up as a counter And then like none of the living characters would know about it fucking all of them still know about this shit What do you mean? Oh, this one sounds like a joke to me It does. I don't think it's a joke at all Fans don't want a compelling story that challenges or surprises the audience No, that's sarcasm Yeah It's not a joke As in like this. So the point is just you just take the the point is just reverse of what is literally being said Yeah um So this idea that we want exposition dump I've always hated that by the way when people like god if we if you had your way It'll be five hours of people talking about the state of everything. It's like man Remember when talented writers could have exposition alongside character development remember that? Well exposition is just like exposition is just a term that describes basically information that you need to know There are many different ways that you can relay exposition You don't have to do exposition explicitly Commonly cited ones for fantasy sci-fi worlds being brand new as you have a guy who doesn't know how things work That's an easy. Yeah, that's the easy shortcut of this guy as a foreign person So because otherwise it's weird for people to be like hey Remember that hyper specific events that i'm going to name very formally and speak about in extreme detail Even though we should all know this like that's yeah, you can get around that by just having the outsider Yeah, and you got lots of options You know, there's lots of ways to achieve the there's a lot of ways to tell a story And so yeah, this isn't the typical criticism where they go for the whole like trying to be I don't know Consistent that they're actually criticizing that they think what all all we want is fan service I just it's so it feels like it's not even regarding us like you must have no fucking clue what what we do here Clearly this person has heard of us and they have hated that whatever they think we are there. They hate that idea But that happens more than I guess it's just I don't know Maybe there's something like stole. I don't know enough about quartering Do I don't know but why why are you getting bunched in there? I get bunched in all the time I'm spooky boogie man. I honestly I don't hang out with Miss pesky anti sjw's I don't think I'd be anywhere near as hated if not for refap I think the videos alone do get me hate quite a bit But like I am a persistent Like icon of frustration because I've even even the fact that I respond with you guys to fucking anyone It makes it like yet people can feel comfortable like shitting on people's films and stuff Yes, but I don't want to get criticized by other people on the internet Well, it's interesting, right? We usually wait for when a content creator says something that's incredibly stupid or Dare I say incredibly harmful? For example, if we'd kept going with that guy earlier after he literally sicked his fucking audience odd j Uh, maybe without realizing it We it would feel to me that we have raised to a tier where I could start saying things are a little bit meaner Because I'd be frustrated, right and there's sort of that angle these lads They like criticize that we would do that But feel that that opens the gates that because we they know that we've done that They can then say whatever they want about our characters and they usually pretty damn harsh Yeah, they say some pretty nasty things, but they never see that as a problem because they already know for sure that we are kind of evil Yeah, I know this is this is one of those moments where it's like introspection. Please please just a little bit Um So, yeah, I don't know like just just random It is interesting to see the discourse and different subreddits about how awful we are and I read it I had the exact same reactions for you. I was like, who is this about like I don't even understand the references But I'm sure they were relevant Um, yeah, I know I hate to say it. We only got two more stops left on our train Oh boy. Oh goodness, then we're back home and they're literally quite small. So You know, this is the stops just kept getting smaller and smaller as we went now There's this video where because you guys chat you probably remember we covered a little show called squid game two evaps ago, I think And uh, we spent quite a while ripping into the vip's Um, it was not small at all. We were all very frustrated with them I think for free you'd uh, you've been attacked by hail at this point. Um Yeah, I was I wasn't that But uh, yeah, we we definitely had some things to say now. I I don't even want to do this for any particularly large analysis I just love the way that this quote is delivered by this actor. So basically he made a video it's 20 minutes long I'm I mean, I recommend it, you know, you get some insight Basically wants to go over why He wants to respond to that criticism is the idea Um So he makes a lot of arguments some that you guys will be more than familiar with and dismisses quite fallacious But some that are like, okay, that's fair enough And this is one pot where he says this and I just wanted to play it By definition, I'm number 14 Uh, so I am principal cast and I'm qualified to speak about the production not for the production not for netflix but about The production and I'm telling you that that script People have said it was done through google translate. I don't Think that is the actual reality Probably shouldn't have even like yeah You might have wanted to sound a little more confident if you were gonna defend that Holy shit. Yeah Because you you you think when he delivers the setup that he's gonna go it wasn't done that way but instead he goes I don't think I don't that was Makes you worry, uh But um what to take what you should take away from this video is what I did because I listened the whole thing is that um It was Everything the director wanted There was nothing to do with the actor's poor performance necessarily It was the director was like this is exactly as I want it. He's like Okay Um, but it's consistently one of the most criticized parts of squid game by everybody basically Yeah Um And so we are at the last stop on the train everyone. All right This one it was just really strange Uh, we did a we did a little video covering train to Busan cat. You may remember that one. I don't know It was it was a little fun. We got a dankular on the little zombie movie Yeah, and somebody felt the need to share their perspective in the comments section And after I read the first sentence, I couldn't wait to share it with you guys Um, so this is from our video. This is this is in our comment section. Yeah, uh All right from home from yeah from home. So, uh, I don't know Fringy, would you like to read this as the last one? Okay, sure excited again this regards train to Busan uh Right, uh, is it so bad with cinematography in the west that you decide to review films from your vassals Or do you think everything that is done in the subordinate countries is automatically yours? Mola reminds me of a hollywood celebrity while he has fame He talks nonsense with friends and cheap drugs When fame starts to fade He does something crappy to make the audience remember him PS the review on the non-hype father Got 125,000 views. There are so many few people watching you Uh pps the black widow view was not so good even for a month's vacation let alone two months What what is this? This is a wild ride Um, I guess this person hates koreans Apparently, um, I guess they have a really poor view of korea and koreans Um, okay Um, you're a hollywood celebrity You had fame and it's starting to wade and then you do something crappy to make the audience remember you It just when I'm famous I talk nonsense with my friends and cheap drugs What and it's also funny The father got 125,000 so few people it's like man 125,000 and few And I mean I just like It's not about the view count man. This is about appreciating a movie. I thought was fantastic No, it's so many few as well. So many few That second one that second one. I don't even understand that one. What do you say? It wasn't so good for even a month's vacation. What is that? What do you think was being done in the month slash two months? What do you think was happening a vacation? That video was made in a day What the hell like took one afternoon to come They're like, uh, they're like babies. They have no idea how it works They're like if it was uploaded that every other day was nothing. It's like Hassan didn't Hassan say this Uh, he said that youtubers you'd only like upload once a month or something. Yeah, like well Yeah, what do you think they were doing that month? It's been fucking incredible. Um, I don't know even the first sense is bad It's so is it so bad with cinematography in the west you decide to review films from your vassals like I like the idea was like the cinematography of the movies is so bad. I need to see them cinematography in Korean movies the cinematography specifically cinematography is not the issue with hollywood. No No, it's no, it's not cinematography is really good. Did you just mean movies in general, but he used the whisk I think he means movies but said cinematography because it makes you sound smarter even though It's not the right word at all Uh Incredible I I feel like it's one of those ones where people just like I don't know what to do with this Yes, no, uh, maybe He does something crappy to make the audience remember. Is he saying that we did Train to Busan because we were losing fame and thus decided to do something crappy to be remembered by it's like So we losing fame. So to that and we review a four-year-old movie from korea It's a really weird thing to do to be remembered for it's like it's as simple as this Desperate we are you can prove that just shows how desperate we are you can trace the timeline It's open bar. I think two cow daggula tells me to watch train to Busan and I'm like fine And then like the following day I watched it and then made fringy watch it and then made everyone else watching I was like should we do it at ease up on this And then we did it's just that's it. It was nothing. It wasn't about There's no sinister agenda. We're not sitting in the the republican party headquarters from the simpsons In a dark pitch black room figuring out our lightning strikes in the background Yeah, well lightning strikes and doing weird chants As we assemble to figure out our plan to get more views and money And someone is right. So many few people needs to go in to gadel So many. Oh, I see that you've got dark soul three ball paper I do yeah, uh dancer the For real valley, right? Yeah. Yes, that's right. All right doing his fun dances He's he I mean, I wonder if he wanted to just set up a dance studio and that dream was stolen from him And that's why he dances around with the sword killing people I didn't get my dreams. So nobody does We need to discuss a few of me. There's a couple memes that are stand out I like them so much I was going to say we're at the end of the train. It only makes sense The nuggy marine The nuggy submarine I can just imagine him. It's a symbol of safety Little head Oh, I do love that He's just scooting around the ocean his little nugget submarine Safety first everyone All right, so that's really great. And then we have this of course It's like that simpsons episode is a bad note, you know the grease Oh, yeah, willies retirement my retirement grease. No Oh Man, you have to wonder what the common tree would be from his son playing through bio shock playing bio shock. Yeah It would be something else. Um But yeah, that's that's we did it lads Wow The multi melody badly is complete and uh I don't know. I feel like I feel like you should probably do this Some other time too. I'll try and do it. This format's kind of fun, huh? Yeah, that's fun I like a little media medley marvelous magical adventure Journey through the you know, whatever it is. This is because we got so much covered that we never have to talk about again Like battlefield 2042 in a ton of us and All of the Yeah, you just hit all of these things without having to Spend the whole day um Yeah, I suppose that that you know at that point we we're just gonna move right into the old super chats unless there's anything else You guys wanted to mention and talk about Not that I'm aware of you know, I think I've been talking enough I don't really have anything else to say. I suppose like I guess I could call it there and feel satisfied Um, well, I'm gonna make you say more stuff now with these questions that will be answering So, I'm sorry about that. You know what what to all the what to all the mentally challenged Psychopaths to want to tell us go on. Yeah, what are you asking us? Yeah? Well, just funny. I'm clearing through all of my tabs. They're just like bad We did talk about all kinds of fucking different shit today. Holy shit is like That was a war ride. It was indeed So As I am trying to set up mario potty because that is the normal normal men thing to do I'm also Come on, you know, it's super chats are from the insane people. It just it just it lags It's like how fucking rude How inconsiderate? Yeah So well the first one says oh boy another glorious e-faparuni is my life It's been a long day. I need this toxin. I'm glad we can provide such things I know that we took one week off and it was very upsetting for a lot of people I was like, we did do a double. We did a double everybody, you know, we did do a double A double was done did so I feel like you know, I should be okay Um, also some people are like am I going to talk about drastically evolution? I haven't played it for more than three hours. I feel like it's not enough yet to actually say anything meaningful yet Um, though they have labeled what I think the tutorial is the campaign Um So I've played it for like two or three hours or whatever and I was like, hmm This feels weird because it's not really a campaign. It's just you get levels They introduce features to you and then you complete and move on And I was told it's like, yeah, that's not really the campaign The chaos mode is the campaign or something. I was like, why is this called a campaign? Why can't you just call the tutorial? It's like I imagine They wanted to make it sound better than tutorial It's probably they can they can advertise it is a new mode You can't say the tutorials a mode that won't fly but if you call the tutorial a campaign Oh guys, we have a campaign You know, you're probably right Um Hi rags. Hi frongo Hi I raggleton I'm usually you Oh, there we go. That's wicked. Um Can y'all tell plush rags to stop staring at me so menacingly? I told him Mola will be here soon But he's not staring at you menacingly. He's just worried He was not he was modeled after myself. I'm never menacing. He's worried about old mumblo. He's like, where is he? And believe me, I am more than likely on the way um Favorite firefly guests are in Buffy and Angel Well, I guess I'm gonna only can answer this because I'm gonna want to see in firefly, right? Well, I guess there's only Yeah, I vaguely know. Yeah, I vaguely know who's in firefly, but I mean I apologize. It's gonna be obvious answer of probably Mal being Nathan Phillion. He's fucking awesome. Of course He's awesome in both Now I'm gonna have to show the babe. Damn it Sometimes if you post a meme and I don't laugh it, I'm like there we can get away with it. No one will feel left out If I lost like uh-oh for just being funny If they made us crap your memes, we'd be able to get away. Yeah, e-fap fans. We doing all right Here's your meme everyone pretty good one I thought it was like the fantastic full logo behind it, but I was like, oh no, it's probably like chattel four or whatever Ron Burgundy He's good. Very good All right, boom boom boom Everything is set perfectly now Um guys, I'm worried. I want my plushie to get here, but in order to do that, it'll have to cross state lines kappa I I know what you're doing there. Very clever. Um, hi rags Hello to you. Eternals is very cool. Very cool. Um Yeah Sounds like you try to convince yourself. Well, this was before we discussed it. So maybe, you know, right? I don't know Who knows what happened to tell those things in the film? um I want anime doggo frongo and longo to Gibbs all the many shekels rags his waifu for life Oh, no, wait, you want you want us to give you the shekels or you would like to give us I would like I would happily receive some for you what we did As i'm watching like rags doing this little talky thing. I'm trying to figure out what it would look like if I did that for Uh-oh Trying to figure out like what what I would do Well, unfortunately for you ridles currently doing a commission for me that isn't related to the the talky talkies But I think that if we could all get them that would be pretty cool Oh, I mean I was I was gonna give it a try myself, but I mean even if we just had the eyes blinking and moving around Yeah, like just do the star fox thing where it's just like, you know, you're a failed screenwriter. What use would you be in making that? It could just get a little bit of movement on don't cut out me so much Because you've got that long the long beak. Yeah, I when it moves it'll really show when it moves around a bit I that was my thought process too because like It's pretty clear at this point this like dr. Musk. It's like It ain't function like a regular one. Oh the eyes move and We've got we've got a win-art Yes, that's wonderful. Yes. I'm so glad that you made that Can you help me crash the current? Oh, it's wonderful. Oh, I love it. It is little A lot that is excellent Look at all my windows get confused hang on the nuggies Coming out of his pants full image coming Oh, that's great. I want to see a story about that shock just making his way through the world Jenny well Jenny, I miss you so much But I'll try my hardest to to live without you As difficult as it may be Man, you gotta feel bad for all those nuggies falling out though. Well, maybe they're free now so much He's seen so much that he's world weary at this point. Yeah, he would be what Kang should have been but no yes But no that Kang is very charismatic Um, but yeah, thank you very much by Owen. Good shit. I'm glad that we can inspire such imagery The spooky old shock the fact that it was old was even scarier Yeah, because that's how that works It's a veteran of the sea wars. I like the idea that when Hassan walks down the street He moves out of the way of old people because they Well, they're probably you're probably like republican or something and he's like, you know, you can't trust old people anyway You don't know where they've been So anyway Mm-hmm A reminder that Arashim Somehow made eternals based on current racial and cultural differences when actual people just learn to fish with a stick. Hi Um, yeah, I guess we didn't talk about that the uh, they were created With very specific like human elements that wouldn't have necessarily Been refined or existed as they did at that point. Well, well, I think some of them wouldn't have existed and some of them would um Just because of yeah, because because of just the way that humans had spread out across the world by that stage um Yeah, I'm not I I would say that is the least of you know, like if we're talking about problems in that film Like, uh, I'm willing to look past that in favor of the much more catastrophic Issues in terms of the plot world building. Well, the thing highlight an issue like that I would like this stuff. I'd have to go look in to to see about timeline proofs and accidents It would be the big one of it would probably be weird if you lived in mesopotamia to see people who didn't live in mesopotamia Yeah, like basically anybody who isn't specifically from that region of the world But as you said just apply that to all of them. Um as problems go that's pretty like it's dwarfed by Some other things that was because I can easily just write it off just like yeah, whatever who cares Compared to you know, oh, hey, like there's a giant Rope like there's a giant cosmic entity in earth Bursting out of it and that did nothing The film sounds so retarded I'll see it eventually someday. I just it's enough for me to know it. Um, oh mibre pause Sorry, just just joined chat saying eternal's bad. How dare you it is. Yeah, it is bad She's nine out of ten. It's great that she's I mean You know, the julia cuddney said the black widow was uh, she's a brilliant So, you know, you can have all kinds of reactions to all kinds of things. It's just uh Some of them bewilder as you say Hi mauler fringy and of course rags Hi I've been watching for quite a while and I've always enjoyed the content Tomorrow's my birthday and I'm currently on coronas Coronacation, thanks y'all for everything Well, well If you were born in the Britains it is now your birthday So, you know, happy birthday even if it ain't Um, hi Rola merengue and frags Hello, that's sort of me. Hmm. If you had an x-ray vision or if you had x-ray vision, sorry How would you lads use it? Hmm I feel like I'd offer really cheap um I don't know just like x-ray services to really undercut the uh The uh medical sector. I try and find someone who knows shit about x-rays and be like How can this be utilized best for society because I have infinite x-ray vision? Like that seems better. I'd also worry about radiation. I guess Um, I guess maybe if we assume that like can I switch it on or off because I don't want to on all the time That just might be scary. It's it's almost always something you could swap on on and off. It's not, you know, it's Well, it's not always on you could toggle it. You could use it when you need it Oh, you decided that's the case look at uh Somebody said to look at lottery tickets. It's like, whoa, that's possible I'll just do that and then a massive bunch of money and then see what I take over the whole world Oh, that would be awkward because eventually it'd be like are you are you cheating? You're like, what no How but then I just say like how do I have the capacity to cheat? On this I guess if no one knows you have x-ray but the second they find that out, oof Well, I mean, it's an illegal to say there'd be no law against that presumably so If you have x-ray vision you cannot use it for this just in case anyone has it Uh, I would look at people's penises and say hey nice penis and then walk away Mm-hmm. No, you wouldn't see anything would you you just see like the x-ray equivalent What is the yeah the x-ray? Oh, is that what we're saying it is you just see whatever you want through what I thought it was like you see skeletons and stuff Yeah, I mean if you want to go down that far, I suppose like you could focus it to different layers You've just made up a bunch of stuff for yourself here. Yeah, I was just saying it's like all we have is all we have to Go with is just x-ray vision. We don't have any other qualifiers Yeah, so we went with literal you went with making sure right. Yeah Well, how could you see the lottery numbers if it goes through all the way? Would you be able to see the colors of the numbers or the wow? That was just something someone said in chat I don't know if that's how it actually works. I just took their word. Yes. If it works Generally generally the portrayal is that You can toggle it on and off and you can sort of Like identify which layer you want to look into like you won't look through the entire block of a city You'll just look through the wall and see who's behind it Right So I I that's kind of what I was going with is it's general No, you're just stealing the powers from the peeping tom. I'm just saying See the powers from peeping tom I the lottery idea is an interesting one Especially you could because you could be able to you could say like hey I want to buy 20 lottery cards And then you could know which ones are right and which ones are wrong and you could I don't maybe give back the wrong ones or you could play because because generally when you buy lottery tickets You just get the one off the top Right. Yeah knowing which ticket is the winner doesn't actually necessarily help if you can't I don't know. So what if they like print the tickets like they do here when they just print off with the numbers that you get Because we have plenty of the scratchy ones. Well, there's gonna be sure but there are gonna be Applications of this that we haven't thought of that would be great ways to make money. I used to I ain't a radiologist. That's the problem. I don't know. I don't know Oh, you could see the tumblers inside of a lock I guess Well, I was gonna say there is an aspect of like it would be you could be really good at stealing stuff. I'm like, that's probably not I mean, it's what it's what comes to mind, you know, we're not saying we do them. Absolutely thinking of, you know Um If you were gonna use it for medicinal purposes, you would have to teach yourself what to actually look for That's the thing. Yeah, you'd have to learn Like medicine. Yeah, what is it that is unusual and what do I need to be right because you wouldn't be able to Print the results for people either. So it'd be pretty worth the service. You need to be an expert in all things medicine And it ended It ended with uh, by the way, I appreciate you all massively Oh, thanks. Thanks so much. You could but you could probably be an incredible swat team member Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean at that point you probably need to tell them about your ability to better utilize it, right? I mean, I imagine you would tell them if you're like on the essay at that point You would just be you wouldn't be you wouldn't be so much on the team. You'd be observing with binoculars Yeah Well, I was gonna say if the if the government knows about the power I assume I'm not sure what the best use of it would be. I don't know that it would be in swat Maybe likely would be in medicine. I'm not sure though Yeah, I don't know it it's it's maybe I don't know um Rex you're spoiling the chat stop talking through pfp No And sad thing is you're not going to see that much of that right now because I'm playing a game and scrolling through the super chat listing So I can't keep clicking on discord because for some reason that's how discord works on this. You need to hopefully they change that at some point They should yeah, it's a really cool thing or I can toggle it on or off like it's a hardware accelerator feature So let me allow it and then that's that Let's do this silly nonsense free your goo gave me big mommy milkers. Thanks That's a lie Hey, there's money in that there's money in that them they're goo There is money in that but that that would be if it was mine, which it wasn't Who's was it? He was thought slime. I don't know if someone's it ain't mine Oh someone else's gift use them big mommy milkers Yeah, I was gonna say I mean it was only a compliment to the goo. I don't know why you wouldn't want to take it Why would I take it if it's an inaccurate description of the goo? I mean for many reasons Like The fame of knowing that there's many but why would it be the fame if it's false? Also, my goo comes out and that doesn't do that Well, thank you for conspiring to something more about your goo Yeah, but have I not just confirmed it. We're saying that's a lie. We could have said nothing. You usually do Maybe I said nothing, but I decided not to Nothing Well, I'm just glad that we can note more about your goo. We couldn't previously This movie is transformers level with every historical event is done by us nonsense Do the MCU is out at this point The MCU is yeah Every historical event has something to do with one of the factions How cool is it? Um, I feel like the concept of the Eternals would have worked better if it were in its own universe and not connected to the MCU Make it more space opera um Maybe but it's still That's still be problems with the characters. I guess not being involved in like a variety of things Yeah I mean well because I thought for a second that they were saying don't connect it to the MCU Overtly kind of like guardians one. It's pretty separated or did they mean don't have it connected at all I think that may enjoy and have it in the MCU. Well, um, yeah that point. I suppose it would be improved But it sounds like a disaster regardless Because it's still all the issues with the plot Yeah Aliens gave us a plow because humans weren't smart Well humans on yeah, they did give us a plow. Let's just plow Feels weird, man. We didn't even get the credit for coming up with that one Yeah, do we at least get the wheel? Tell us we got the wheel I think we got the well because the wheel existed before like 5000 bc, right? So I presume Thank goodness we got the wheel Soon maybe Maybe yeah, I don't know. I don't know for sure. Yeah Um Bill Skarsgard was greatly wasted in Eternals Oh, yeah, he played uh, he played the deviant bad guy Oh Oh well As you said you said that he just like sort of just dies Yeah, he's the only reason he's there is because they need deviance to fight in the film So there's deviance and then they kill them and he's the last one left And then he shows up right at the end when the external plot has changed to stopping the celestial And then he's there and then he dies. It's it's like a storytelling dead end. It's really bizarre Do you think it's like did it feel as though like it was like the predator where they clearly Reshot the ending and so the bad guy just sort of disappears I don't know I I it doesn't know because he's there and then he dies and it all seems like it's happening in the same I'm not sure. I don't know Um, Fastos can create all kinds of crazy tech but not a hearing aid Uh, yeah, I guess we didn't talk about there's a death eternal. Oh, yeah One of one of them is death, which is like I don't understand why you would create if they're a robot And you made them. Why would you do that? And let's pretend for a moment that We're creating the eternals and rags is like let's have a deaf one. You go why? um What could possibly be your reasoning for why we should have a deaf one What would uh in universe? Yes, whoa. Yeah. Yeah, the actress is deaf, but the character is deaf in universe Maybe the enemies use some kind of a horrific sonic weapon But why would it matter if you're a robot and then why wouldn't they all be deaf? And yeah, that's right. Yeah um Maybe I got nothing off the top of my head. Oh, and also I'm pretty sure in the they said that she introduces sign language to humans Oh Which it just feels weird. Why would you why? Why do you like that? It feels a little bit. Uh, again, it's like man that feels like an idea. I hate to say it leave, but then you didn't It feels a little tone deaf Uh a little bit. Yes Um Chuck Chuck Chuck Chuck. Yeah, like it just feels weird Rewriting humans history for no other reason than just being like in that neat like what are you doing? It's not neat at all. Is it not more neat that we made it up ourselves and developed it over the course of hundreds of years? I think so. Yeah, um But whatever look what we got out of it and it's like not much It's not really anything they did with that. Uh, but hey So yeah, I don't know why they did it and whatever reason you could come up with You would just ask the normal question of why didn't you do it to all of them? And then he's like, yeah, wait a minute. Why why the fuck she's just crippled for some reason because uh Compared to the rest of them like I got to imagine hearing is important when dealing with deviants Um, I would imagine it is because you want to hear them. I guess you don't see them, but I mean, yeah, I don't know She is like one of the stronger ones though. She's like the only one who manages to put up a decent fight to Icarus, so Um, okay, so she's quite strong. I I don't know. Maybe there's something to do with I don't know going really fast sonic booms. Maybe I don't know Well, you just make it with the capacity to be able to sustain it, right? Well, yeah Yeah, you again. Yeah, I don't I don't know why you were a really odd thing to think, isn't it? It's like well, she had to be deaf boys It makes more sense if she wasn't made But she was So she's made like she's a robot Yeah, and besides you could just have her hearing turns off whenever she's running fast, right? Right, yeah Because you're telling me that what the sonic boom would damage her hearing to the point Where she'd go deaf but doesn't damage any other part of her body. It's like, okay No, well, yeah, I mean at that point and also she's clearly quite resilient. Exactly in that film. She takes a decent amount of damage Um weird. Oh, oh, I guess springy. I uh, my buddy fun just sent me this Oh boy. Oh, is it my name? Oh, damn it. Well, not really but Oh, I've heard about this. Yeah So it was vegetated chat Pringles safely in halo combat in one day. Oh Okay Pringles may have spoiled when halos multiplayer's coming out. Oh I mean, I'm up for playing. I guess it's just from a marketing perspective. Does it make sense to release it? So staggered multiplayer then campaign um I don't know. Maybe maybe they're trying to play tomorrow I wonder if there's an aspect of do you think they're like, well, what if battlefield and In uh, in call of duty or just sort of may receive I feel like the easy one is it's the 20th anniversary of halo tomorrow Uh an xbox. Yeah So that that might be the reason why because it coincides. Okay. So clearly it isn't unsubstantiated. Interesting I mean, I'll be happy because I'm fine. Like if it comes out polish Oh, I I'm of two minds because like I haven't finished the endgame video and I Dude, I've got so I got so much stuff I gotta do like the idea is like jump into halo multiplayer to test test it out. Well, oh, it's just for me. It's like That might be the next one. So it's like damn these timetables that start to overlap and cross over Well, I guess you knew that was gonna happen, right? Uh, I well because the game comes out next month. So I got some time between them But uh, yeah I'm sure it'll all work out. It'll be great. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean I can Play that and I get because I've been playing mario card a bunch and now I need something a new game to jump into Um a couple of dollary dues for the e-fab crew for the halloween entertainment My bae and I binged the resi arc. Many a good tism was had. Oh, that sounds like fun. Thank you. Yeah, thanks More stuff on the way. Don't worry. Uh, I rags long man. Good. Hope you will be in the next one fringy Oh, here's Oh, wait, what's that? Sorry the next one halloween arc. You will be in. Oh, yes. That's right It feels weird. We're basically just gonna be recording halloween arcs as the new ones play or the recent one Yeah, the old one plays I guess but yes, it's all done already and I'm excited to see it eating while you poop Mm-hmm One of my favorite depictions of humans in multiracial fiction is when humans superpowers our Ingenuity and ability to improvise adapt and overcome all of this All this does is make humans into crazy hairless monkeys. Hi rags Hello Um We thought of this before I think I said something like I like the idea when humans are exposed to like the Multisibilizational Universe of aliens and stuff. We're just the ones that are resilient in terms of like we will fight to the bitter end Sort of thing. That's one of the attributes of humans even if we're kind of like You know the the least advanced least intelligent least understanding we will Uh principally never give up I like I like that as part of something that's human or whatever and this they're obviously saying like the fact that We will adapt and overcome issues and stuff. So yeah, that's cool. But if this movie's just like well You fuckers. We're giving all the hands up by everyone else Thanks, bro. Well, I guess not just you but a bunch of different planets Yeah, a bunch of different people who then got blown up But again, like you can write that that way if you want it was just not very satisfying for me at least anyway You can't talk about that Well, I just did God dang, I'll do it again Oh my goodness. Well, if you're gonna do it do it after I'm gonna go get some water So do it once I'm gone. I can only handle one of those incredible hot takes at once I've already got a water so much more advanced than rags I got a water but it's nearly empty This minigame is interesting. You have to choose a barrel and then you get whatever bananas you get I got the most. Oh the ghost top tier I hate how the movie has the eternals Directly affect human history in the comics the Norse Greek Etc gods and the eternals just exist humans see their adventures and tell stories as myth Oh, yeah, the Greek gods are gonna in thought god. We have not got the room No, we don't Russell crow go away. We can't handle it Who knows what else we'll be dealing with because that's one that we're probably gonna be interested in I would say Uh, of course taiko it's it's Yeah, I already know for a fact like taiko it's easy. We'll make it worthwhile to watch I don't know that I'll think it's a great film or anything But I'm pretty sure he's gonna make me laugh and that's good enough probably in this environment Oh, that's that's a question for you. What um, how does it rank against the other phase four movies? Um, I mean, they're all awful, but I still feel like shang chi is on top Of like the whole pack in terms of everything. Um, man, it's tough because like black widow destroyed a character that I liked Um, what also destroys all its own characters too That's true. Um That movie is probably more catastrophic in terms of character and plot but like oh and world building too. Yeah I don't know But the problem is eternal is the implications on space Well, I was gonna say I think it's three of earth I think it's fair to say the world building is more catastrophic in Eternals, but I would say so. Yeah black widow probably has it for character and then plot is gonna be a complicated battle Yeah, I still I think the theme theme is probably gonna be worse for black widow too Because of the whole like freedom of from mind and then like the whole plot line doesn't give a fuck about all the guys Who possibly mind control Is it not the logic of hey if you love humans, you should protect them except for all those times you didn't So all I'll say about that Is uh, uh, because I haven't seen it so I have to trust you is that do you think that's what they were going for? I think so because it's explicitly said by uh, angeline and jolly and they put it in all the trailers So I get the impression that that's the theme I'm meant to be pulling all right, then yeah You should protect the things that you love which is man Much of a theme is it Certainly not with the story you were describing Yeah, I mean that's the thing. I don't mind a really simplistic theme, but fucking hell have your events. Follow it, please Yes, that'd be nice. Oh, it'd be nice. Um Do but yeah, uh, just the idea that in the comics they were all just they existed They had adventures and then the stories of those adventures became myth is like Sounds a little bit more simple compared to what we've been told with how everything's working so far Um, good morning gents, which by the way long-eyed you pronounce that word perfectly on your b-day stream It's dutch for good morning Oh, I don't even remember doing that with morgan. Is that that that maybe That's probably um, I vaguely remember that That's uh, funnily enough. I'm actually referencing something in my head there. Um, do you know what it is fringy? Uh, no What would it help if I said it was simpsons? Which one sorry? What was the reference? So I'm deliberately not being more specific. I was curious. So good morgan. What do you do? Do you know what I probably the uh, the germans when they were um, there you go. That's a plant. Yeah Uh Is this seed and celestial birth similar to what ego tried to do so earth has been double celestial seeded Uh, the seed is like literally in the planet though, whereas I think egos was like a seed planted on the surface And then it gobbles it all up Yeah, do we talk about that? What did the celestials think about him doing that? I we they never talk about it Don't know it began on earth it started to erupt like surely that's that's that's a celestial event In there. Yes, uh makes you think doesn't it but they don't mention it That sounds like something you're gonna want to account for Well, yeah, because ego is a celestial. He's one of you Why is he? Yeah The land of chocolate Um, I don't dislike this show. However hypothetically if I were to show disdain on youtube Do we just ratio each other like on the twitter? Um, so I guess we didn't have like a conversation about that But yeah, apparently the dislike bar is going away the ability to dislike isn't going away, but But the dislike bar being visible is is gone. So like the Yeah, because I can still see it you see the disc. Well, I can't Oh, I still can but I'm assuming it's just coming out for the end is nigh Yeah, if I here, I'll show you what it looks like for me Oh, I've I've seen people posting it already. I just thought it wasn't rolled out Here that's like one for me Oh, what? Yeah, that's lame as fuck That sucks Wait, right right go on the go on the Jenny Nicholson ifa 59 I think it is I can't remember anymore, but um does it just show that it's liked now It's yeah, just 9.6 thousand likes and Dislikes that's pretty funny Dude, I'm gonna fucking after this stream is done if I remember I'm gonna post that to twitter Be like the most liked efap episode. I'm so happy that this this is such a crown pleaser Because yeah, there's a great irony in the fact that it's like designed to prevent what bullying And it's just like you just make it so that we can't tell what videos everyone is pissed off by so nice. Good job I guess you just have to work backwards. How many views does it have? How many likes does it have and then just you know my pure If we um if we do it by looking at net positive Uh, net likes let's put it that way the most popular efap episode is probably a fucking like efap Uh, the lord rings one 90 I'd have to check however. Thanks to this. It's probably the Jenny Nicholson one now Wait, so but can I see them on my how do I know if people are responding positively to my video now? I have to read all the comments. I guess right, you know, you can see it from I think I don't know if it's from your view on your video if you have to go into the youtube studio. I don't know So I can still see them. So what what does that do for bullying then if I can still see all the dislike People won't know that you're bullied as much. Yeah, it's so people won't know that I've been bullied But I'll still know You'll you'll still know it's incredibly inefficient and it's not even like it's not a test. It's just no this is happening It's like why not? Yeah, they're just happening and nobody liked it But they're still gonna do it anyway, and they're probably not gonna walk back on it to be fair They did this many times dislike bar, you know They did this many times before efap started and during efap We have come across many iterate. I haven't been writing them down, but youtube do this every once in a while They just remove a feature. It's it's funny. They've been doing it by degrees, right? It used to be the the rating system, which was peak Yeah, that was a much better system and then they did likes and dislikes But the dislike bar used to be big and red And then people didn't like that. Well, I don't know people didn't like that and then they changed it to like grayed out Um, and now it's gone Bye bye I feel so much safer now Everyone does even though I can still see how many people hated what I made Oh, I just don't know how many people saw this on twitter and it's true. Um, so Rags there is a a faction in Futurama called like the neutral for people or something. I don't know And um, what are the funniest things is their planet's about to be destroyed and it like zooms into the leader And he's just like if uh, if we die tell my wife. Hello Okay, I we have no strong opinions one way Yeah, the the whole joke is a neutral everything and the clip of them on youtube has been a constant like possibly over a decade Everyone just likes and dislikes depending on whichever one is currently, you know, lower neutral. Yeah to make sure it's neutral So, yeah, I know it sounds like a meme, but that's pretty that's a shame. That's gone now Yeah, I I would like to say that it's in a tiny little way Every once in a while, I'd catch a PewDiePie video And one of his videos was can we get the like and dislike bar perfectly even? And it was my vote that made it perfectly even and I was like, uh, that's kind of neat Especially with how big the numbers get because of how many views he gets. I was like, uh, it's kind of neat You know, we can't get any more downvotes like the black widow rlm video Yeah, that was um Funnily enough, uh, I remember speaking to gary. I was gonna call with him around about the time that video came out He was like, oh, fuck. Did they like the movie? What did they say about it? I was like gary's watch it. He was like, no, they must have like fuck. What did they say? It must have been something really stupid. I was like, no, no seriously just watch it because uh You watch the video and it's just like unclear. They're giving the most normal take on black But whatever they're right at the end. They just talk about dislikes They're like actually everyone dislike this video dislike it. Let's get it to the lowest possible fucking like ever And uh, yeah, never mind that that's gone to So sad You know, you talk about all these funnier things and I do think they lost is but you know, ultimately we can We can weather them. It's the uh, the big losses are scam videos videos that are like really just bad information in general Or just consumers trying to express disdain for like a business model or something like that Or that woman who hit her dog that got a ton of dislikes. Now that's gone. Yeah, they just like those videos now Yeah Um Yeah, and all the wikipedia articles like fucking, you know catalogical lists, they will just become obsolete or I guess in a way They need to just be frozen. They're an archive. Yeah, they're like a museum of how it used to be Yeah, like now. Well, hey, this means that now Um, youtube rewinds won't be the most dislike thing because you can't dislike anything Yeah, you see it. Yeah, they're gonna restart them. Maybe That's the theory from a couple of people. It's like you you restarting it. Is that why? That's a pretty funny fucking worthless videos. Um So I've seen other people say as well just like with the loss of it It's like, yes, it does prevent like what is a dog piling whatever and I thought to myself if youtube said Isn't it nice that the journey next to the video won't get dog piled with dislikes unfairly? I'd be like fuck that whatever. It's it doesn't mean anything. Anyways, it's all like just people who didn't watch the video I don't care Then you're like, well, what if it were a video where you had actually done something wrong and it's like Well, maybe you deserved it at that point. Hey, like people say I dislike this. That's probably fine actually But uh, yeah, I don't know how to like improve as well. I know you can still see I asked what that's what's baffling me that I can still see just get rid of it Like if you're actually gonna do it just get rid of the option to dislike anything Um, don't do this halfway God, I was trying to get like solutions and some people were like, well, you could just have a comment This is dislike and everyone upvotes it and it's like, I guess so I just don't know how long that would last before people just give up and just be like, well, this is it now Such a shame, uh Yes, cheer you up though I can't look i'm too busy trying to get my high score. All right. I've got it on the screen. Here we go My pokemon attacks you with stun seed in reverse. Wait, am I supposed am I reading that right with stun seed in reverse? In reverse, what happens you get hit with? It's super effective eevee dies Excellent job person who made that well noticed Oh my god Oh my goodness gracious um You were surprised at eternal's loss. I wasn't it Lacked pre-existing invent you said, okay, uh, I might need help with this one I'm gonna do it. I'm supposed to well i'm posting to you guys as well because maybe it's just a matter of me not being able to read What? You were you you were surprised at eternal's loss. I wasn't it lacked pre-existing Inventions said you it lacks pre-existing inventions You pre invest pre-existing in In you said disney is like a croc dab, but it's more like a dodo Lots all its skill from lack of need and will die at the one challenge Um diet like if there's a if there's a single challenge it will fail like the one challenge the first challenge so So it's for everyone everyone's confused probably i'm gonna read this out literally as it was I guess written and punctuated it just says you were surprised at eternal's loss I wasn't it laked pre-existing invent you said disney is like a crocodile But it's more like a dodo lots of its skills from lack of need and will die at the first challenge So I think you're saying you're surprised that eternal's lost money, which isn't known yet Whether that's the case because it's still in theaters Maybe or the way doesn't surprise me Yeah And disney is a dodo that Could doesn't steal world challenge, but like i'm pretty sure disney films are still like the top of the box office this year Yeah, like if you told me it lost money or gained money, I can think of reasons why that would have happened both ways I'm not particularly moved anymore by it. Um I'm the only thing I want to know is how much is buddhman gonna make Yeah, that's because a billion seems possible. But again, it's hard because of covid times and all that Yeah Who'd win in a fight both at their prime and right now? uh jeremy clarkson or john clees Well right now jeremy clarkson probably because john clees is like a million years old in their prime I feel like jeremy clarkson's more of a lad than john clees And but I mean he's famously punched somebody. I don't know if that counts for anything Uh, but yeah, I don't know if I was forced to put my money on someone who'd probably be jeremy clarkson, but I don't know You guys probably go the same both times what was What was the uh Clarkson for what now jeremy clees versus john clarkson sorry I like how you just you blasted to clarify and you fuck their names up I'm completely I'll tell you what's happening rags. This is what we're talking about. I got you buddy jeremy clees and john clarkson Who'd win in a fist fight Yeah, who would have won in a fight between john clees and jeremy clarkson both at their current ages and during their prime ooh Um, I feel like clees would win in their prime, but clarkson would win now Is clees built all Cleese is really he's quite tall Hey, he's spindly though That's I think that's all right I think he's still strong enough and he's got the reach which can be really important true true Yeah, because he can do the the the the german walk and kick him in the face from like Yeah, he's very limber. You can do all kinds of silly walks over there and Fuck him up. Um, there's a whole ministry for it Uh, I think the reason why I'd go with clarkson both times because it just seems like Yeah Yeah, I see so this could just be my incorrect perception of them But I see cleese is very posh and clarkson is much more of a lad and therefore much like he's probably been in fights But I could be wrong. Well, let me let me take a look. Um Because I john cleese Uh, john cleese was Western super mayor, uh, western in summer set. I do this ain't helping me at all Um, where was jerry clarkson? I don't know enough about these places Uh, clarkson is six foot five Oh, he wow. Okay. I didn't know that. I don't know how tall john cleese is, but he's fucking tall as well So jerry clarkson was born in don caster and south yorkshire It says john cleese is six five. He feels like All right, john cleese is tall as well. So they're both it might just be because uh, john cleese Well, it says in wikipedia that uh, jerry clarkson is six foot five Oh, they're both six five. Oh, I thought maybe because he was always standing next to two people who weren't particularly So maybe that's what makes him seem um He's also a bit wider He is yeah, I don't know. That's tough Cool, I think there's only one way to settle this though. We're gonna have to get them to do it We're gonna have to get them to do it Though we kind of wanted it in their prime john cleese just gonna have to simulate it Oh michael palin is only who's five ten. So yeah, that's a pretty big difference I'm five ten though. So that's a pretty that's a pretty great site. Well, my my humans five ten Get your story straight. Yeah, you fuck Bring he does this better than you do. We like we like to roleplay That's cringe Any interest in watching arcane for reference? This is the legal legends show, right? Uh, maybe yeah, maybe so I've only heard one person reviewing it. No two people. I know review it One was weekend warrior saying it's great Um, and the other was theo saying it is This is definitely worth seeing and I was like, oh Okay, so Um, I might check it out. It's like a because if you guys ever saw the legal legends like trailer Sort of cinematics. They were pretty impressive. Yeah Um, and I guess if they're making a whole tv show and stuff like that it'd be pretty cool Chat that that seems cool. What's your opinion chat? How is arcane? We is it is it cool or is it not? Let's have a look I Was still talking about jeremy clocks and move on chat. Jeez It's funny because we get told to move on sometimes Is that the league of legends animated show probably It is kind of surprising that they haven't done more like, uh League of legends multimedia stuff considering how big it is Well, think about how like as much as blizzard wanted overwatch to be a huge cultural Phenomenon they never really Did that with it? I mean when it was coming out. It was super I remember ever was talking about overwatch when it came out and those and now it's just shorts and stuff Wow. Yeah, they've reached a point where there's like Lots of disinterest people people you say overwatching people like Now that game I haven't played since 2016. Yeah a game. I haven't played in literally the last couple of years I think I could check my account. I only have battle net because I play starcraft 2 here and there But let me see I could probably check and see when the last time I played overwatch was where it is Um, I'm seeing a lot of Mid to okay is what I'm seeing in chat. Okay. Maybe yeah So, yeah, I don't know. Uh, maybe I'll give the first episode a shot and uh You see how it goes because I still remember league of legends enough to be amused by it probably All right. Yeah Because if I click overwatch on the gank because there's like world of warcraft war zone hearthstone World of warcraft classic overwatch starcraft 2 heroes of the storm call of duty black I remember heroes of the storm I remember when that was coming out. Yeah I don't think it says the last that used to be a thing though. I think I'll battle net It would tell you in the last time maybe they stopped putting that on the games So because they're just like people are not playing our games I yeah, it doesn't cat. Yeah, Cassidy They spent some justice in his name now Wait, what Cassie's the name of what? Oh, Cassidy is yeah, they changed cream. Oh, right, right the guys who got in trouble. So now he's I remember So Yeah, I'm sure everybody is easily adopted changing his name in reference to the character and it's balancing I'm sure it hasn't created problems at all. Yeah, it doesn't say when last I played but it used to it did used to It did used to say that doesn't want to remind people of that now They don't exactly they don't want to say. Oh, yeah, that's right Um, they go on to say I was actually tired of the Harley Quinn archetype and thought great Now jinx got their own series for reference jinx is very Harley Quinn in the lull No, not quite that though Uh, but it wasn't that at all. It could be of interest for you I said, I mean if enough people I know say it's worth seeing I might give it the old shot Aruni Today I learn like the animation the art style is awesome It looks like painterly but sort of 3d as well looks cool Uh today, I learned that my cat might have an untreatable terminal illness and it's been hard to cope So thank you for the stream it helps Sorry to hear Fucking sucks I agree chat. They should have changed his name to Epstein Um, you're going to debate southpaw on this. He unironically thinks the tunnels is a 9 out of 10 objectively Now I've seen different things on that from what I've seen. It's not about being objective He's he doesn't do that anymore or at least we're different now. He's put a stream It was a tweet. I saw I think that said something like that's not The only thing that's considered when when doing a rating and so don't assume that he's talking about consistency because fucking hell How is anyone going to make that argument? for titles I've like like unless Fringies lied to us extensively which by the way Props for your creativity in the lies if that's true Um, I don't see just weaving this web of lies about this movie Like everyone in chat hasn't seen the movies. We all just trust in you And then there's secrets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah any uh, he flies too close to the sun. Yeah, that definitely happened That is funny because you're like you believed me. That's so dumb. How did you it's like it's marvel-free come on Why wouldn't we believe you? Yeah, so uh, I just feel like debating I fucking I haven't even seen the movie rags. I haven't seen the movie Uh, if we had seen the movie, I don't think we want to debate it. I don't think we'd care I'm not that passionately invested in I think it's fair to say between the three of us. It is the least passionate We've been about a marvel thing or an mcu thing. It feels great. It feels much better than even xiong chi I felt like there was more to of interest to talk about there. It's free like it is free. Yeah, I will say that Yeah, um But yeah, if you got like a nine out of ten enjoyment of that film Uh, I'd be staggered, but have all the fun. Yeah me too. I don't know what you'd be latching on to That's a nine out of ten. Fuck me. That's cool. I there are so few games Yeah, so few movies we give night like that is if someone said that like if one of you came to me and said I found this movie. It's a nine out of ten. I'd be like wow Despite nine out of ten is what would be considered commonly by many people. I don't give civil war a nine. I don't think I wouldn't give it a nine. I don't I'm trying to think of if I've ever said that Yeah, I I would much more comfortable in eight, but nine like I'm trying to think of I guess the seven problem Ryan is like a nine. I was gonna say like I maybe I'm not making the point clear like the the reason why this is surprising to us is like we save nine for like The ones that are fucking top tier Like stuff that we have to make sure to like super look into it. We're we are hesitant to give thing a nine Yeah, like nine nine is that's that's rip you've done You you're in like the best of the best at that point um You know like aliens. Yeah, it's uh nine that's not that more Lord the Rings rating probably eight but high eight I think Um, the I would have to rewatch it to be able to cite What I consider to be the floors, but yeah, even even Lord of the Rings We would want a rewatch To see if it was a nine. That's how That's how prestigious you just want to be careful Yeah, yeah, you want your move you want that nine to really mean something You don't want to fucking give it to eternals. What the fuck? well, I Again, if it was like, you know, if you guys were purely rating on enjoyment what gets a nine I'd be like, well, so there's gonna be a lot of things. I guess. Um, I don't even know Resident Evil and Van Helsing's and all kinds of movies That would be a much larger list. We'll say that yeah, but I was gonna say like But the awareness there, you know, if I said, yeah, Van Helsing fucking died out We were laughing our asses off watching it. It was so much fun But I mean nobody's mistaking Us for thinking it's like Really good Yeah, you know what I I so I don't know. I just yeah, uh, because I didn't think from what it's for you described I don't know that a tunnels is that kind of movie, you know, I mean, I wouldn't say so It's you know, I haven't seen it granted. I just don't I don't know one of the most common things I hear about it is that it's boring So it'd be like I'd be surprised if it were like a romp of a movie. Nostalgia could have described Van Helsing as boring So what do I know? Which means it it is that is confirmation. It's not boring I mean, I I think in town it was just boring. I I was quite bored While watching it So like what would you say is the mean factor of the film? Is there much of one the mean factor? Yeah, like watching it with friends. Could you find out? No, I know I know no, I don't think so I wouldn't show my friends It takes itself pretty seriously It does have some of the marvel wippy stuff, but it it takes itself a lot more seriously Yeah meme just said it's dull so dull it's dull dull. Yeah, that's that's apt Well, now that meme's added. I guess we know it's true. Well, he's someone I trust. Um, yeah, I trust me But you know, he's probably been bored by things that I found exciting and vice versa. So Maybe he's fucking lying about his dull feels. I just uh I was just gonna say about the dcu. There's a lot of meme factor in there like Man of steel was surprisingly meme-able, you know Yeah, but uh, I just from what friend described it didn't sound like this movie has a lot of a lot of a meme factor Not many moments where you laugh out loud Yeah, I got much flying to the sun be the meme king you were born to be Could you imagine if the titles were aware of the icarus story, they saw him doing that they're like, no Is he actually is he actually flying into the oh my god What a chat he's doing it. He's doing the meme Um hey evap crew and guest could you do your best and then there's a quote and it's of snatch I believe Uh, I'll post it so you can see it It's uh, it's when jason statham is talking to uh Tommy and when they first meet the pikes, I think I'm saying you're a sensitive boy, Tommy There's a little voice for it I don't know if they want us to do our normal voices in which case you're a sensitive boy, Tommy He has to go next because he's australian. Mm-hmm. What was the line exactly again? Sorry I posted it. It's you're a sensitive boy. I didn't see it You're a sensitive boy. Tommy There you go. You laugh at tommy as you finish the sentence brutal Well, you're a sensitive boy, Tommy perfect Um, hey muller is your first name james No But james is a fine name Bring it. How often do you use the word gobsmacked? Rally very rally Oh, there's your answer Guys if we stop saying hi rags, we can cut the super chat catch up in half. So anyway, hi rags Oh Hi Um squid game super chats when so that'll be I think they're first up on the catch up which Will be wednesday. I don't think anything else is being scheduled We should be able to do a catch up then And we will keep doing them until we defeat the overflow Uh y'all familiar with the ps1 demake of bloodborne. I am looked real neat You guys see it. Yeah, that looks cool. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. I do know what you're talking about. It does look very nifty Like I said ps1 graphics are becoming their own style now Uh, yeah, I mean because it was just super interesting to look at and then in a sense seeing Thinking about the original in your head and then watching it play out in ps1 gravity There's something very interesting about that Um These deviant sound like metroids life sucking creatures that were made to be predators for something then ended up turning on their creators um Yeah, but I guess the difference is like The the deviant sound actually like life suckers that just seems to be the ability of like one specific one for some reason They just eat things Do we see them doing that? They just eat Huh, do we see like so when you say eat things is it like a like a they eat Yeah, they're just like predators to just eat eat people like that's that's what they do That's what they try like the flesh sustains them just standard something I don't know just like your munch on it like numb numb numb. Oh food. Yummy. Like I think that's We just see I guess so juice out of the I must be coming across as a little bit weird and I understand that I guess because I'm thinking about them as like cosmic creatures And it's just like they just they just eat flesh. It's like, okay Yeah, they just eat things. That's what they do. They yeah But then one of them for some reason can suck out the juice and I guess like Icarus knows that somehow Right. Oh, that's the juice and doesn't think that there are any repercussions of allowing that to happen because when it sucks up Ajak, it gets the power to heal itself, which makes it really hard to kill Yeah, that sucks up chat. It gets super duper strong Damn the first two powers. They're pretty useful ones the tips of self-sustaining is a really good one. Yeah Hmm, you'd think he'd be more concerned about that Yeah, wait, why wasn't he killing them then? I I don't know. He lets them kill Ajak, and then he doesn't kill them. He just Because I was gonna say I get that part, but like once they're done, surely he would kill them himself Um, I mean I would Because they're only going to be a danger to him slash the celestial Because they if he didn't show up in London, they would have killed his uh girlfriend So, you know makes you think like what's your plan to just set this up So because none of the characters would have thought to go look for ajak They hadn't been attacked And then looking gets the team together the team that then defeats him and stops the grand plan Oh, it's like they get an extraordinary woman a bit Oh, I've got a question. Yeah, I've got a question. I was I was I was laying in bed and I was thinking about this As you do and at the beginning of league of extraordinary gentlemen, right the beginning. Yes. Yes. Why so Was it part of the phantom's plan to actually kill quarter main there? And if so why go to Talk to quarter main at all So is it so I get I see what you're saying because like they they do most of the collecting of the things that they need Because so the he brings in quarter main to capture the others. That's is that's what his reasoning was Um, I think he says we needed someone like quarter main to get hide. Um And so you're asking when they're in uh Dorian's place because they clearly intend to kill but if they did that they'll be too early Um Presumably so the the guy was with him, you know that the butlery guy he was evil So I'm assuming that yeah, he wouldn't have allowed quarter main to be bull. It was on a timer though Well, they and they clearly like throw knives and bomb like shoot at him in a bunch like they're They're clearly trying to kill a quarter. Could it be argued that if quarter main couldn't pass that test He wouldn't have been with it anyway I don't know. I think that's pretty I don't I don't know I mean if that's pretty dumb logic to think that well if we ambush him here, he's not worth having It reminds me of um Oh, what is what am I the brain help me out? Come on. I'm referencing something. I'm thinking of it too and I can't remember it Oh, fuck. What is that? Chong chi you and I it's shang chi Where it's like, yeah, I sent them all the fucking kill you because I knew they couldn't or whatever It's like what? Oh, it's a good thing a lucky a stray bullet or something exactly. It's so You know a piece of a little piece of shrapnel didn't you know Hey, but I that's just I was just thinking of that when I was laying in bed I was I don't know for whatever reason. I was like wait a second I think this part of league of extraordinary gentleman doesn't make that much sense. I'm a little confused here I don't think any of us like Even like picked it out. Our brains were too busy trying to oh, there's so much to think about that. Yeah, yeah Oh, so I was I don't know that's That was a thought That movie was fun. There is fun in that movie. I think it would fall apart on further inspection Like that's fine Um Oh, yeah, so I answered that one Hey, Mola, are you bad at pronouncing Japanese names because you hate women? Um, I hate women and men. I don't see why it would be just about women I wasn't the one who suggested Andrew. It was it was rags and it was a good suggestion Um Rags plushie is hot and it came with a free dust bag. Yeah, the little bags they get with you are quite nice as well They are kind of nice. Yeah, no keep them safe in it or use the bag for whatever you may want to use it for Um, in case it's a while until y'all read the super chat from a few weeks ago I'm sorry for sending spoiler messages to you rags. I ask for forgiveness Oh, um, yeah, you bet. Certainly. I don't remember what they're referencing, but sure. I think someone had sent me um so some I think was Either squid game spoilers or something but they'd sent they'd sent spoilers and uh, my deems nice Um, any chance of efab movies for dune 1984 and 2021 we've thought about it It would obviously be after ringing rags theater and theaters. Um I don't know and it could work because of the fact that we probably won't do a normal efab for that now. Um If we did the efab movies for them, we can still get our commentary out Especially dune is a movie that would have space for commentary if that makes sense Um, yeah, we could do it. We could discuss it on a medley If that's a new format where we just okay, we saw it It's a little time talking about Here's like here's a movie we saw or here's a game we played or something We'll put that in the maybe pile. I think that's a possibility. Yeah Because my I know free it's going to take a while still to get to theaters in australia And I'm waiting for that with my dad because we haven't been to theaters in ages But he has uh, I've been having to go to theaters. It's just not out yet for some reason doesn't come out until december Um, but once you've both seen it we can think about uh possibility on that Uh more of sketches should have been part of the movie poster make it canon also high rags is is high Uh, sorry. It's been a while since my last chat still working on a more direct way to super chat without susan taking a cut Also, sorry for not giving you b-day wishes. You stopped the streams. I wasn't able to happy b-day regardless Don't you worry about that. Thank you very much And uh, yeah, it's the biggest downfall of the superchats is that youtube takes the 30 cut which is um is complicated Uh in terms of like do you think that's the right or wrong? The sort of thing is like, I mean they provide a pretty damn good service. So it's like, hmm Hard to say exactly what kind of cut they should get but it's bigger than most of like all other services, right? Um I'm not certain off the top of my head. Is what is patreon's is it is that 30 percent or is that? No, I think there's varies depending on um When you signed up actually um I think uh, if you signed up earlier, you got a better cut than people who signed up later, but i'm not sure and then uh Obviously stream labs is the stronger cut for the creator, but I don't know if um I've twittered on monetization yet. I think they have right. Uh, I think they've done the tip jar right Don't know what the splits are but yeah Thank you regardless uh How long did you guys discuss this dumpster fire of a movie and how much did I missed also hyrax? Uh hour hour and 10 minutes, I think so probably an hour because we had like 10 minutes of talking to be in so Yeah Which is a lot shorter compared to most of our mzu coverage We spared you all Bring you could have tortuoused a little bit more, but he just decided not to Yeah, very kind Uh, the only hero saving the world from deviance is kylo kyle written house. Oh my god. No I don't think he's gonna be in the mcu That is true um Never seen squid game. I think it's trash. How worthless are comments like this one? Why do people say things like this without experiencing it? um I was actually listening to some uh, I think it was amazing atheists. He was talking to somebody And they asked him has he seen the squid game yet and he says no Like like aggressively and it's like okay, and it says when something is that popular. I just don't want to see it at a principle What that was like, okay All right Just like he just doesn't like it if something's real popular. He'll see it eventually. It's like wow That's a strange mindset, but you go and do you You feel very strongly about this Um The idea of cosmic beings just stating inside planets is monumentally retarded the inner cores of planets are solid Outer cores are molten metal alloys. I guess hollow earth is now canon in the mcu Like I said, I don't know where to begin to explain how wrong everything is in that movie from offering you said The amount of physics involved in how much stupid there is It it upsets the mind It does my my head hurts You shouldn't do that to an audience. What's what's what are you doing that? Don't don't be doing that Uh, did any of the eternals get snapped the celestials also did fastos invent the gas chamber? Oh, no Well, I guess we'll never know exactly what he invented fully, but um as for the other question My brain was almost like well, maybe they're exempt and it's like but why would they be I don't fucking know I have no idea whether they're exempt or not I think we're meant to presume that they didn't get snapped But that should raise questions in their mind as to what they are because remember only two of them know the truth The rest of them think that they are like living beings So you think they'd be like man, it might be worthwhile to check to see if the other guy's been snapped But I guess we just have to presume that they were just chilling out doing their own thing I'm mean just that according to the director the eternals went snapped because they aren't technically alive Um We got some big old questions about what it means to be alive So if you're sent you're like they're not alive They just have personalities and love each other and make decisions and they're intelligent Oh, that's interesting as I thought but yeah, we were actually talking about the celestials, but Okay Well, it wouldn't be a model fucking property if the director didn't say something retarded like in defense of the movie Fuck mary kill bowser donkey kong ddd Park bowser Married mary donkey kong. Yeah Yeah, mary donkey kong killed ddd King ddd. Yeah. Yeah. No the other ddd All right, you know what um, that's a tough one actually I think I'm gonna marry ddd He seems like a lovable goofball who's always trying his best What wasn't he the evil crocodile? No, no, we're thinking of king k rule. Oh, okay. King ddd's the penguin Yeah kind of Kind of like a penguin. What is he? He's some kind of a some beat creature. I think I'll marry ddd Uh, and then I think I'll fuck donkey kong and then kill bowser Oh, what no, we're definitely we're fucking bowser. I want it. What are we? Yeah, you can fuck wherever you went Definitely fucking bowser He either fuck or mary bowser because he's got all the stuff he has the castle Yeah, king ddd also has a castle and oh, but all the all the cool robots and all the minions Yeah Viral and handsome And he goes go karting with his his enemies. So he has a merciful side to there's so much to like Is always looking out for the welfare of his kingdom. That's like he's a misunderstood Well, apparently like the curvy games have huge war by the way and like actual really interesting character development and dynamics So I will I'll fuck bowser marry king ddd and then kill donkey kong Damn, yeah, but uh, man donkey kong. He's he's you know, he's a hero. He goes out and So does king ddd, right? He sounds like a really great guy. He's he's a hero Bowser is is a villainous character king ddd is more of an anti hero and donkey kong is like actually just a good old-fashioned hero So there we go one s that's a What Curvy lore is blood-borne esk is what blood-borne ass fucking hope it's not the blood-borne Law is horrifying. I think it's the idea that there was like a really expansive law in uh, in the in that world Do you're not saying there are people who draw power for blood? Okay Maybe not, but I you know, I like I hear that metanite has like this full blown just arc He goes on this massive arc across like the whole series and the same goes for like king ddd He's got like a giant arc and stuff that keeps changing for him It's just interesting to think about There's a little game about a little pink ball that just works on adventures and eats things All the final bosses are eldritch abominations. Oh, okay, sweet. I can see the connection there I would love to see if have to godzilla versus kong Uh fun, but the writing is atrocious. I figure Absolutely figure that one Uh, I could yak your ears off about everything wrong with that movie I think I saw someone summarize the plot pretty quickly and I like couldn't believe it So we're in for a really fun ride with that one when we get around to it Um anyways, I've got my second rags plushie Gave one to my mom as an early christmas present the other keeps me company while playing the last of us still waiting for the two maulers though sweet Yeah, they're gonna be a little delayed, but they're on the way to watch movies with you Congrats eternals. You made the time travel an endgame less confusing in comparison Is that true? I don't think so No, it's not When you have like a bowl of spaghetti that someone else is like here are loads of christmas tree lights Dipped in acid. It's like that doesn't really help the spaghetti or anything It doesn't really change anything about the status of the spaghetti. Yeah Fring daddy g forgot Thanos's brother harry styles No, I I got around to that did mention eventually. Um, um, yeah We weren't supposed to take anything from that, right? He's just there He's gonna probably be important in like future stuff, but I don't know what that means to us now Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like the scene itself didn't it didn't say anything specific or Not really woohoo If one can't wait I'm assuming because like you just naturally I'd be like is it gonna be a vengeance thing Is he mad that I have I don't think so. I think he's meant to be like, I don't know. I don't know I have no idea Been a while eFap quote without context the final ard vark is a graphic novel set in the cinematic universe of white chicks It's the second in a series of film adaptations That's a quote from rags I I got no fucking clue with that one. Wait say say that again Oh, was it you you try to make that sound like you didn't quite get it when you didn't hear any of it be honest None Not a word Well, how about you read the final ard vark? The final ard vark is a graphic novel set in the cinematic universe of white chicks It is the second in a series of film adaptations When did I say this so how drunk was rags when this was said? I'm if someone can tell me where this is from I legitimately would like to go back and hear myself saying this because this is news to me Are you sure I you sure Are you certain that I I said this This is rags is some weird stuff. It's like, yes. Yes, here it is Sure, but this is on another level Um The dog pictures game that you just played while horrible actually used some accurate slang from the military embrace the suck is a real term They say that in the military embrace the suck Why would that even be military specific? Okay I got nothing um We should do an efab quiz with who said this line sometime that could be fun Uh And to think sitch thought this trash was entertaining Sitch said it it tunnels was entertaining. All right. Yeah I mean I don't I don't blame a man for just being entertained sometimes Uh, hang on ego didn't need to destroy a whole planet of intelligent life to birth peter also keep up the amazing content I guess that's different Yeah, that's different for some reason. I was gonna say wait, but peter is like half celestial, isn't he? Yeah, fucking. I don't know. They don't know so how am I gonna know? Yeah, um despite not liking humans in my transformers Um, at least they treat them better than apparently everyone else including marvel. Heck at least michael bay depicts them as capable of fighting off aliens I I mean i'm guessing people really aren't happy with the idea that like humans are sort of Shepherded and and sort of sorted by other people in the universe at this point Which I guess is kind of fair. It's frustrating, but what are you gonna do? They've got so many fucking greater powers that are in this universe now that Humans are just fucking puppets like everyone's puppets Didn't quill celestial half die along with ego or something Yeah, he uh, he lost the benefits of being I guess part celestial But I'm just saying that it's interesting that he could I guess extend that part of himself out to beings I don't fucking know Um, so here's a hot take batman the dark knight has a lot of plot issues such as joker's plan post his capture And the gun jamming's in the beginning would love to hear your thoughts also high rags Hi, that's an interesting observation. Yeah, that is quite interesting thoughts. How about that? I'm trying to think, um If there's anything sort of in in the queue for us eventually looking at anything to do with the Nolan trilogy Maybe one day. I don't see why not Right now just a little bit busy with all the other sludge in and also good stuff. We've covered some good stuff. Yeah. Yeah Um But yeah, uh, don't Also hooray. I got my rags plushy. So cool. Hi rags Hello Rags, I love the animated avatar always neat art No, thanks very much. Yeah, right. We'll do a great job with it. I'm sorry. We can't show it right now Look at this It's something with a gta remastered Apparently they used ai to upscale the signs Uh like on storefronts Um, so a lot of the jokes are just like lost because the the ai couldn't tell What it was meant to be rendering Um, I've heard I've heard there are terrible. Yeah terrible things coming out of this Look look at that guitar wank becomes guitar hank and air guitar becomes ai ai guitar And you can't even see the guitars behind them like You can't see the guitars. There's there's nothing there Fuck I because I i'm not familiar enough with the games But there's a character I saw week of warrior posting about who was like Completely botched in the remaster in terms of their actual model. They looked retarded. Um, there's a lot of weird weird mistakes The rain looks like horrific Oh, the big one. I just saw is that um the the look at this look at look at this image The rain is rendered behind the ocean So like look at that Wait, what's that? At least the ocean is not wet Oh my goodness, I like the chat is this nice rain rock star It's rock star. You have so much money. You have fuck you buddy like come on This dude's face is like what? What am I looking at way better than this And then you and the fact that you delist the old ones too. Yeah, you can't buy those on steam But so that your only option is this Ocean greater than rain Yeah, I hope you guys held on to your ps2 copies. I got them up on my shelf. Fortunately, that's the thing man there's There's gonna be a growing industry of rescuing the original copies of media because we're getting the spookier times with that Especially when you got them delisting the old ones so that you can't buy them Why didn't she Why didn't you try like Just disappointing but hey grand theft auto 5 out for the fifth console on But hey, what about grand theft auto 6? What's that? What are you talking about? You mean grand theft auto online? That's out. That's you can play that um And yeah, so these ones now I think we're done with the internals and now we're moving into the section 2 which would be Get on battlefield What's this insane need to destroy and leave out core mechanics slash ideas when it comes to modern vg devs Or filmmakers all the weird ideas that suck Um, I don't know There's definitely a general theme of like the more it appeals to wider audiences the less complicated it is And by complicated sometimes that literally just means less features Which is frustrating uh, this applies to like almost every great franchise as it goes along for gaming Um, but there are some that remain strong. I would argue and some that have improvements as time goes on. It's just I guess part of it as well. It's just chasing what's important. Uh, sorry. What's in what's Liked what's popular. That's the way I was going for I think I'm already entering a time of brain melty But that's okay What's worse cod vanguard or bf 2042 Yes, it sounds like um vanguard is a disaster From what I've heard, but maybe it's battlefield based and everything rags is said man I don't know. I haven't played vanguard nor shall I I just well, so I don't know things that I've heard about vanguard There are a lot of things so number one historical accuracy Like no no interest in that at all is what I've heard about vanguard Weapons in place in locations where they shouldn't be things that you're like a complete over exaggeration of the real events That it's trying to mirror because the whole stick with vanguard is it's meant to be like the birth of special forces Um, so again that I don't know if any of you just saw that bullshit, but holy fuck I oh no muted. Uh, that could be cool um as a as a thing like if I'm trying to focus on um How world war two kind of birthed the idea of hyper specialized soldiers that have very Unique skill sets that they needed to develop to sort of combat the threat But I mean from what I've gathered like in terms of um the story. It's just full on bombastic crazy action adventure again Um, no interest in telling the story of a normal soldier um And then from what I understand Yeah, we we don't care about that anymore. We don't worry about soldiers. You're the first mega super man who is going to be the um Special forces person whatever apparently vanguard has red dot sights for guns. Holy shit Holy fuck Uh, and from what I understand about the multiplayer the big thing is that it is like It is very clear that this is modern warfare 2019 And that they've like applied A world war two paint over it like it looks so similar Um, but worse So that's uh, yeah, that's um, that's what I hear and also that there's like issues in terms of like the game Uh in terms of core design as well So it sounds like it's not a good year for your first person multiplayer shooters Hmm As an armchair historian card pissed me off more than bf also high rags Hello There's your answer understandable. I know that the big the big one was um There's there's a mission in stalingrad and it's like, you know the battle of stalingrad And it opens up like all peaceful and calm And it's like dude like that's not You do understand that like these battles don't just start like that in a day, right? Like they don't just it's not just everything's peaceful and then all of a sudden you get bombed Like just completely blown out and then you've got nazis already swarming into the city Like the only reason you would do that is because you want to do your crazy action setpeth Where your character runs around and everything's getting blown up and it's crazy and nuts um Which feels like that's just the call of duty format now Every time that you have something that could just be like presented In a more believable way Like fuck it more explosions amp it up Go crazy And then the consequences you've created something that's less intense than like world of war Where it's a lot more just it feels a lot more grounded Um the world doesn't revolve around you you want the specialist superist most duperist awesome Soldier in the battlefield you just a cog in the machine trying to make your way and achieve your objectives I've already seen call of duty social media go back to promoting war zone Holy crap Just pump out the next one pump out the next one Which is on a chat mentioned Well, well, well it was stalingrad mission was a better reference to enemy at the gates dude The first call of duty one is like hardcore referencing enemy at the gates Um with its stalingrad mission call of duty had a lot of references to films back in the day I mean like the the I mean basically like the whole call of duty four Uh that that whole thing was like just lots of references to blackhawk down It was really cool though because it always felt neat. It's like I I've seen those two That's a nice clutch I when I see vanguard and I'm like, oh this looks like it's like Panically rushed out because they had a hit and they just had to get a new game out to capitalize on it and make as much Fucking money so that the monkeys who buy these games, you know, we'll we'll just hit it while it's hot And with that I feel I'm like they clearly spend a lot of time fucking this up Why well, it's funny you say that because vanguard is sledgehammer And they have had four years Uh if we're just going based on the release schedule, it was actually black ops cold water should have been the rushed one because Seemingly they only had two years to make it um so did they just like reset development when one of the games was a hit or What happened was that there was internal conflict at sledgehammer shortly after the release of um World war two and then there was a shake-up of the studio and that might explain why it hasn't come together so well because Kind of feels like a because that was what happened with modern warfare three infinity ward lost like 40 of its employees between two and three and and it shows But again, you don't need to release a new call of duty every year But I mean it doesn't matter because it's going to make a bunch of money. So Wait, sorry Someone posted in chat. We are the first to treat a cod game like a movie in quotes attributed to vanguard writers Are you is that a meme is that a meme or did I actually say that? Please tell me that's a meme Vanguard is mean. Yeah, that's cringe for many reasons, but I really hope that's a meme Um, also also hope you enjoy my My spooky ween avatar. It's a lion jack-o-lantern I'll be changing it back to my normal avatar after this super chat very well. Yeah, it's nice stuff Can't go wrong with some jack-o-lanterns Um, have you heard how awful the launch of oh, well, this is good timing gta, uh DE what's DE stand for? Uh Defended yeah trilogy different of additional whatever Um, can only play through rock star launcher on pc Which was down the entire first day now gone entirely not to mention spelling errors and glitches That's a yeah rock star loves to relate stuff through where you have to get it through their launcher You don't even have to worry about like pressure to release this thing from the public at least like Because it's remaking the original three. It's just like take the time to have one person on your team play it And then go oh guys one person on your team should test this project before you send it out unbelievable People aren't gonna be that mad if it took another year, you know It's one of those they saw it and they said fuck it just put it out Yep, and I guess no one thought anything about it. There's just like it doesn't matter if this is a crappy product Just put it out Enough people will buy it to make it worthwhile to hell with it Enough people will buy it to make it worth This the effort It doesn't matter if it has a terrible reputation Doesn't matter enough people will buy it um Humans in the transformer comics are the only species able to prevent total destruction of their planet in three years after the decepticon invasion They were able to efficiently counter either faction That's interesting I guess Like everyone else whoever goes up against the decepticons loses But you know if they really are robots that shoot things it's like I could see earth putting up a pretty good fight against them, you know I think we should give ourselves more credit Do you mean like we could just get a bunch of planes and tanks and artillery? Well, it's just because a lot of movies sort of portrayed in military is like a lot more incompetent than they actually are from memory The military is like like people criticize michael bay for being very pro military in his movies Oh, yeah, the transformers movies have them having like a pretty significant role I'm pretty sure that we have like a group of characters who are the military and they do fight the They do fight the decepticons and they do pretty well, I think Um, yeah, we I think we see we see variants of sometimes humans do well. Sometimes they don't do well Um, but then as the move this is so funny because these movies suck as the movies go on They actually become progressively more confident at beating them. It's like yeah, that makes sense Man, maybe it would be pretty funny if we were to watch the transformers movie be like so these are fine I don't know that we will I'm pretty sure transformers too is like Abominable Uh, but hey, maybe we'll be surprised and they're not as bad Maybe it has great characters. Maybe Sam Witwicky. Maybe maybe it has consistent I don't know if we'd say great, but maybe they're just not as broken. They're just annoying maybe I always battlefield portal it has battlefield 3 and 2 maps. I'm hoping they don't put specialists in it Uh, I don't think you guys have played that yet, right? I did not play portal. We've got nothing for you on that one just yet. Not non portal You I was like, I'll just play the new game signature mode as it has been in battlefield for the last couple years Sure, but I mean it's it'd be worthwhile to see what they've done in the portal, right? If you can yeah a lot of the problems It looks like all the problems like persist through portal Uh, I mean it's the same game, right? It's like built on the same engine. It's the same core mechanic So I guess that would carry over but maybe having different weapons and old mats the more balanced. Maybe Maybe um, but I'm again they weren't made for 128 players Yeah, I don't I don't know. I just haven't I just I guess I just haven't really had an interest in portal Well, I was actually asking as I was gonna say are you planning to return to the game or no? Um, maybe just to try portal but to play the actual game. No I think I'm legit done. The battlefield broke me this quick a battlefield game I have Like 1600 hours in battlefield for I've I've max ranked Bad company two on two systems Same with three on four. I got about 1600 hours on one I have about 800. So I've played a lot of battlefield And this one Is just so bad. I'm not even I'm even going back to it That's quick Instead, I'll be probably just be playing other just other games. Um, I got friends that we're gonna be trying to get in deep rock galactic We'll probably be playing back for blood a bit more There's a glitch in the game that that fiddles with the difficulty But once that's fixed we're probably gonna really spend more time and back for blood play some uh aliens fire team with us, right? Yeah Yep Excellent um So halo infinite has won this year fps wars Maybe we'll see I guess maybe we'll have to see If I was gonna put any money on it, I would say yes, but we'll see you never know you never know what can happen between You know launch time, but Also was extra credits a design consultant for battlefield 2042 seeing as there's no factions Oh my goodness. That's right. You can't play as any of the factions It all makes sense Sounds like battlefield 2042 game devs watched too many extra credits videos. Oh my god two references Hey, oh a memory on this chat beautiful Um, I've actually just had a chat with my friend about halo infinite and it's current competition Is there a competition hap? um Okay, anyway, fuck my life. All they have to do is not do anything stupid um I assume in regards to that's the downfall of the other fps right now Doing stupid things But yeah, I mean, you know, it's not going to be too much longer before halo infinite is out and We will know what's going on Some armors in halo infinite will be findable in the campaign Semi open world to unlock from what I've heard also high rags I'm fine with hey I'm fine with the idea of using like single player to unlock multiplayer skins like that sounds like a good idea to me I mean halos have done it before in the past beat the game on legendary You have high boost armor now unlock all the skulls you get the Very true Imagine a world war one game having more context than a game based in 2042 or more content. Sorry Oh my goodness um Uh, baby wind just sent me this Oh Oh You might have seen that at night. That was good to say chasing after you. It's Oh, let's just keep yeah, keep a hold of that. It could be a fucking creepy thing to have it a game. I don't know Our movie Long doggo Someone said but that was for free rags. No, you had to buy the no you had to buy it back then you bought to buy the game You didn't get the multiplayer for free Um, so is cod world at war still the king I think um, a lot of people pick cod 4 as the king, right? Yeah, generally cod 4 2 is pretty darn good World at war. I like a bit quite a bit. I like world at war. Yeah More often to I I really adore but that game is uh, not balanced. I got a weak spot for black ops Um, oh, yeah black ops one. Yeah, that's true. I I like that one as well That was the good era. That was pretty good consistently Uh, now I have a little rags to watch over my minecraft world like a good boy Excellent Rags is good at taking care of minecraft worlds, right? I am I'm I am I'm really good at minecraft If I don't if I say so myself, I am quite good at minecraft I got back into it really pretty heavily when a friend of mine started up a server that a bunch of us Mints of other friends play in I'm putting a lot of work into it In my little area It's nice. It is nice nice Nice nice Uh, can we get a fringy drinking bird instead? Oh Yeah, I like those things that's kind of cool I'm supposed to just I could say no every time it goes down. It's like maybe that'll be annoying Or maybe it does it once it's full Call me crazy, but I think they're trying to breed out competitiveness Do you think does that explain the choices? I I think there's absolutely the idea in mind that they want to get rid of like the competitive feel of a game and to kind of Um, you know temper any sort of competitive attitudes. Well, I hate to break it to them That's a big part of the appeal Yeah, it is a big part of the appeal So good luck with that Some of the game will come on the market and fuck you up the more you do this People really like competitive games people want I know it's like Apparently it's been decided somewhere that it's just a bad thing But people especially gamers Love to be competitive and to play competitively. They love to win and do their best and get better They like to poop talk Yes But that's bad Um The Ohio B hole butthole tickler is what I named my raggy plushie. Oh But you'd have to call the Arkansas but tickler The Arkansas but tickler There are many from different locations Uh, is this just Jay's personal Jared same vibes? Oh, we're already on to the next guy um And no, I mean, you know Clearly that guy was only interested in responding to videos that are critical of Zach Snyder, but doesn't respond to them just yells It's like I mean because we didn't really talk about that necessarily but in terms of how Ifab works as a format right just responding to things like what he did that's possibly one of the worst Who's worst him or Hassan Um, yeah, but Hassan like leaves It's just he's not there Could it be argued because apparently Hassan listens as he leaves So could it be argued that he's still better because he actually like manages to even if he only watches from a distance and then says true Is that better than someone going I hate this. That has no idea why I don't know. I feel like the I feel like the next the the the ladder is more of a reaction in a sense. I don't know it's I don't know they both really doing a great job second one He was way funnier. Yeah, because like the funnies of Hassan is less to do with him and more to do just thinking about it in a matter sense Like he's just fucking leaving but um, yeah, I don't know they both working real hard to be the worst Hassan is better because he sometimes repeats the things his chat says it's like that's true His chat could sometimes office of insight That's where he's at Long man, you really are gay. You missed my super chat on e-fab gaming 29 at 3 12 15 And you didn't say what it was you just Say that I missed e-fab gaming 29. There's another one before Uh, the aliens one because aliens was 30. I think so I think Look, if I miss a super chat, I'm very sorry, but like don't send a super chat saying I miss a super chat Send the thing again Then I can answer it'll be great I mean if you're gonna send something because like it's gonna be very difficult for me to find that Um Super chat basically unless you're in chat right now, and if you app me with whatever it was I will I will make sure to grab it Um, it still baffles me that you can't super chat gay. I mean, isn't that homophobic? uh Wait, you can't super chat just the word gay. Surely you're allowed to say gay I would imagine you'd be allowed to because yeah, that'd be fucked up if they remove your ability to say gay because yeah, I don't know Also as a token of goodwill Is they hate the gaze as a token of goodwill and to mean I to show I mean no harm high racks And hello the crouching crotches for the good boy All right. Goodness gracious Um, have y'all seen the hud sucker proxy The hud sucker proxy. I have definitely not seen that That's so specific. I feel like I'd never forget it. But uh, no, I have not uh, the hud Is it an anime? the hud sucker proxy is a 1994 comedy film co-written produced and directed by joel and Ethan Cohen Sam Raimi co-wrote the script I've never heard of that. I feel like I should have never heard of this either Um Yeah, the hud sucker proxy a comedy of invention with tia robin tim robbins jennifer jason lay and paul newman Yeah, I've never Let's see. Uh greedy executive sydney j musburger hopes to take control of the company He works for by purchasing a majority share, but he must first devalue the stock So he convinces the board to appoint no nothing recent graduate norville barns tim robbins And apparently it's comedy. So yeah, a lot of people saying it's good Um, the fact that fringy had to say you have broken space is enough for me to not watch this movie Yeah, hey man, it can be tough, but they pulled it off They did Uh, not every superhero is homelander you dingus donkus I mean, yeah, it seems to just be the popular thing right now, and I'm so bored Oh, we're gonna super brats go ladies and people because it's evil. Blah He's evil wholesome superman at this point is like that's uh, that's subversive Lame, I mean there's the uh clock and lowest show, right? That's the right where people yeah when that's more wholesome um Here in my garage with my lamborghini, but you know what I value more than the material things context Well, I don't even know this is regarding. Oh, I guess it's um taking snider out of context, right? This keeps playing this clap Okay, buddy You're gonna make it just breathe Max nider excuses his edgy boy heroes by bloviating nobody's perfect But saturates man of steel with banal imagery of christ who is perfect Oh, well often used that way. I guess you could say um The fuck well, so I would say it's worse than that his fucking whole speech was about how Like all heroes are pieces of shit It wasn't that they they're flawed or not perfect. It was that they will evil. He literally says that they'll commit atrocities like atrocities. Yeah, okay He goes from like almost Interesting to just insane like in a moment I suppose that's sniders work for you in it Snyder vision Snyder's vision Um, I can explain zack sniders viewpoint on superheroes. He directed watchman and subsequently became a pretentious edgelord who thinks heroes are corrupt I think it's safe to say that he liked watchman because he already felt that way Like watchman. Yeah. Yeah, there's a much more cynical Presentation of heroes a lot of people just say it's a realistic portrayal. Um I think I'm not in the school of like, you know, like watchman and the boys where it's like They all suck. I'm not even to say watchman's about how they all suck or they all have Floors that come out in very significant ways No, but um I don't like I'm willing to admit that there's a lot of heroes that would not only take full advantage of their positions Using their power for whatever, but um the celebrity of it as well But like that's why the boy season one's better than two fucking starlight is like an actual person Who's like nah, I'm not gonna become a horrible person because that's just not who I am and it's like, hey There's a human among them And season two is like nah, I'll kill people as joe Got in the way all right as character development um But even still I wouldn't mind that as a A thing of the world if you wanted to tell that story that everyone kind of just sucks. You can do it That is just uh, I just don't think it's quite what would happen I think it is especially if random people are getting the powers, you know Yeah, which by the way is not what it is in the boys and yet you still get like Starlight is obviously really no. I can't remember how do they do it in that? Is it Because everyone's getting it's experimented on babies in there or something. Yeah And then that's like, you know, and then they'll grow up and you light at them and they become a hero yeah You don't you don't need the sound for this but There is that's if that's I if that's what vanguard is I've I'm staying far away and I've already seen Holy shit I've already seen the goddamn bayonet compilations I am staying far as bad as battlefield is. I'll stay with battlefield compared to that shit That's the sound of a shotgun chat Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do Dude Hey, it's fast paced gameplay. All right That's that I'm not do just want right next to him sir Oh my wow Um This guy's Arthur fleck laughing at the setup and not the punchline Each wouldn't let jay finish a point that once he had he was like I have so many things to say He's quite an abusing lad Yeah Been a while since we had a video where the person making it had just no earthly idea what they were doing also high rags Hello He was quite amusing Um fuck mary kill marriage fuckage and fridge I mean fridges are good Wouldn't want to get rid of them What's more important to society the fridge or the concept of marriage Like all refrigerators are just a singular fridge All refrigeration I guess Are we talking about fridging like the character? No, that's boring. I don't know what I'm choosing to interpret it as a literal fridge There you go. You stumped the cast nice one. I'm gonna choose the the fridge stay We have to get rid of marriage and then I guess we'll fuck fuckage. Why not? I assume you guys are distracted by cold duty clips. I have no idea what's happening No, that's that's far out. That's let's all go with that answer, too Give me the options one more time Don't even know that you'll care that much, but I will I will I will I will I will I'm glad you're gonna take this very seriously fuck mary kill marriage fuckage and fridge marriage fuckage fridge So what so fuckage is Let me see Fuckage when nothing goes your way everything to state of being straight. Uh, I just fuckery maybe Marriage fuckage fridge. I guess I want to fuck fuckage marry marriage and kill fridge. Why don't I kill fridge? Why I want to marry marriage If I can't I can't kill marriage because I can't marry fridge Well, you can just make sure you do it in the right order and you can still marry fridge before it gets killed So I can kill fridge and then you know, I could marry Fridge and then kill marriage. No, I had to kill marriage and then Fuck which way would be best I'm confused. What's you marry fridge and kill marriage. What's the problem with that? Well, if I kill marriage then my marriage is over. I guess that's not so bad. It was just a fridge I suppose you're right actually that is true Since there's no rags think of your snow my snow went back to the great sky and one day it will return to me as snow again His snow can be put in the freezer, right? That's true. It can I assume we still have freezes in this world. So it's all good. We do. Yeah. Yeah, we have freezers We can just make a really crappy freezer and it would become a fridge It's really low power freezer Yeah, it's just not a it's not really a good Um bvs hates superheroes more than the boys do Um It's kind of hard to say Not sure In bvs you still they still what you have in bvs is the the end as in Superman city sacrifices himself to save everybody and batman is like it's time to make a team to protect the world, you know, you can argue bvs as a movie Says at the end. Hey, maybe we should be so fucking edgy But um the boys I mean The end of season one is a bit hopeful, but season two just fought sort of all that. So I don't know I don't know. I think the boys kind of hate superheroes more if I was to choose one, but I can understand choosing either Uh, I don't know which one kind of weighs it out. Um I think at least Like the justice league stuff the snider stuff At least he toys with the idea that the good heroes will do the right thing even though that's executed really really poorly I mean, you know, if we've been Generous to zack he thinks that's happening basically all the time He just like he said he's the execution like like superman ramming zod through buildings You're like, oh man, and he's like he's doing the right thing. He's beating the bad guy. He like Yeah, okay Unlike Wonder Woman they chose the wrong side. Where did you learn to pick sides on a farm? Oh Noice Where did you chose sides out of farm learn a family guy? Yeah, we got two people said that it is a super chat I can understand why Why does the fringoy'd say it's funny, isn't it and it's never funny also high rags Hello, I think it's funny every time fringy says since it's funny Without fail, it's not funny. It's certainly unusual. Mm-hmm I have so much to say like, oh my god. I don't like this. Oh man, etc Yeah, this is extensive commentary. You had to you had to pause it to slow that down. I would say What does fringy find difficult to draw hands are really difficult to draw but that's not just me. I think that's a lot of people So many different ways that hands can bend and can talk and you know, yeah hands are difficult The question is is this guy better or worse than Hassan piker? We just talked about that. I feel like it's hard to choose Definitely makes you think that uh, there's a scale out there and that maybe not everybody's cut out for it But we certainly can't go by audience retention because Fucking Hassan is apparently the best one At least in the format because I don't think he is number one in terms of that format, right? There's nobody else who's got a high view counting on him for just sitting there and responding to random shit Seemingly, yeah He does that like every day or at least most days Maybe that's how you'd argue he's worse Because he's like the at least the other guy's doing it from passion Hassan you have no clue What exactly the goal though? Ty looks like a cross between a golem and randy stare Uh gives me creepy scary vibes with his school shooter physique Okay, uh hi there rags moeller and fringy boy Hello Hello Uh this little clown boy is like bizarro Hassan high rag Bizarro Hassan is that would it be bizarro Hassan? It would just be another Hassan. Is yeah, he's a similar Hassan He's like a jason on the scale. It's just a different variant he's uh He would have been uh pruned by the tva because he's gone off script a little bit He's become a snideoid This was not what ken would have wanted. No The problem with this tie guy is that he needs time to gather his thoughts this kind of kneejick reaction does help you understand the argument It doesn't help you. I think this was they meant to say. Um, well, yeah, this is this is the thing Um, I hate to say it because it sounds a little bit vain. I guess but like this isn't something everyone can do You sometimes do need time We're all relatively experienced with the on the fly arguments usually because we're familiar with the subject Um, yeah But like I say that as if he's not fucking familiar with snider's work Which just seems to be like one of his major passions. So I don't know what happened But uh, yeah, not everyone's cut out for it and you should probably Maybe make a video instead of streaming if all you've got to say is I have so many things to say And then you don't say them Maybe he did later This one just says god I meant to say does not help. Yeah. Yeah god. It just says just god We was so he was exasperated Absolutely ruined by jay's horrific commentary Um, we age by the minute. I am a retarded I mean It was a great way to sort of add that portion with it Yeah Um I was 12 then now i'm 13. I see the error of my way I have evolved I just like the idea of being a ger I thought it was funnier if you think in regards to the The channel age because if he was like You know, we were young back then and the channel's only like half a year old It was a month ago or something you feel like What the hell do you think you're saying? But um, it was a and I'm referring it to our I just like I wonder if he runs it alone And he just says that it's a group of people I'm sure that's not the case. It would just be amusing Um rags. I'd like to hear today's verse from the bible All right. Yeah Bible verse of the day All right, therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another Instead make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way It's not a bad one pretty good. It's nice Pretty good. It's a good one. I had one to keep her Come on. Wario. You're fucking it all up Uh Regarding disliking any random reason as a former musician. I love whiplash, but I will not watch it again because of how close to home it hits Oh Yeah, it's interesting. Um That's the thing man. I just When it comes to disliking something and you it just it just hits you in a particular way. It's just like, yeah totally fine We've never really taken issue with that and if someone said I hate lord of the rings because it isn't faithful enough And obviously I haven't read them. So I just be like, okay I know there'd be plenty of people who would want to argue that but still I've been watching efab 43 and the debate on spider-man homecoming the arguments of adaptation We're interesting for sure I know this has been just it's just been going forever this whole thing I think it was a huge shock back when we first sort of talked about it because I think a lot of Sort of people in this sphere just automatically assumed that when we talk about like the continuity between sequels That we would take that same argument and apply it to comics and their adaptations But we were like no Uh It causes way more problems if you try and maintain a system like that And uh, I honestly think it it makes for worse results if you have that kind of restriction Ultimately anyway, it means you can't do lots of awesome things Doesn't mean I don't understand it though In the animated spider-man show he explains how the spider bite gave him the knowledge about what enzymes create the web fluid for his web shooters Oh That's unusual. I mean, I guess that's just you just have to go with that. All right. Sure. Yeah. All right. Mm-hmm odd but all right Um, I think people are mostly upset about the origin being different It doesn't usually change and that iron boy is the spider-man coming into the mcu I just I don't know. I don't I just never find any stock in the argument. It's um It's one of those ones that's like rhetorically super effective, but when you dig into it, it makes no sense at all I just like so it just it gets around and so we just sit here like awkwardly just feel like What do you think you mean when you say that? Iron boy Though i'm not going to go as far as the guy on twitter who said that's a slur on the same level as the n word which That tweet got around Um, hi, I wrote the post you responded to just wanted to say no hard feelings fringy And thank you for taking the time to respond to my dumb post Oh sure No problem. No problem indeed Um, why do you believe uncle ben's death motivated mcu? Uh, I think there's enough clues to to assume that the aunt may lost someone relatively recently Good homecoming and um They got the initials BP on on that suitcase right in far from home So I think there's enough there to say that they're probably gunning that that was the history Yeah Uh, this was a good efab better than average imo. I like it. Thanks for the vids boyos You're all inspire me. I have more letters to use so I'll keep trying or typing. Sorry. I'm like, oh, there you go That's where it is pretty good Yeah, because I think efab's average is pretty good. So I'm just saying I was like, oh, it was better than average wolf Better than the mcu I I don't know that that's a compliment. So It is Um, I'm honestly thinking that people don't view the piss and As a hero they view the powers as the hero, but it still doesn't explain all the tism. Hi ra Hi You I don't know the Are we ever like I'm trying to think even green lantern like it's not You don't like I'm assuming there's more to green lantern than you just you have the ring because they're all different And then they can go evil and stuff will power. Yeah More so than than that when you when you do the yellow through fear and stuff Are you still a green lantern? You called something else? No, they're yellow lanterns and then there's red lanterns They're different groups um I suppose Um, it's just just more often than not the hero title is not there because of the power And certainly not because the power alone Oh, it's usually something more substantive than just that because that's the surface level the actual meaning is something beneath You know, there's something more Um hit that yoinkie sploinky I Don't know what a yoinkie sploinky is but i'm worried that if I hit it I would break it like something bad could happen Yeah, I don't know like it's yeah, like it's fragile, you know Yeah, like if a car if a car had a Party that was called the yoinkie sploinky I don't know if I'd want to hit it very hard. Maybe it's like a knob or a gear perhaps like it's Or that's just a pillar word that someone said like hey roll up the window Or and make sure to hit the uh the uh what uh The oinkie sploinky over there, you know that the like that sister filler word for the thing If it were in a sci-fi movie I'd be like that's a lame name The oinkie splonkey, that would be it would be a joke name But it would be an in-universe joke name. Yeah. I could science discover a planet and it would be called planet But everyone in the universe recognizes that somehow I feel like that would be way better at a Zack Snyder sci-fi like everything's so serious and edgy It's like planet yonki splonky. We must use the boom tube get to get to the Boomtube is not even like his memes. That's just DC's meme. I don't know why they call it a boom tube I will forever question that At that point you just like come on What do we what have we become You ever notice how everything went downhill since cats came out Really cats was the harbors cats fucked everything up guys Is that on our watch? Do we have so much shit on our watch list The movie that literally nobody likes Uncle Ben died from a broken yonki splonky Oh Someone pulled a gun and you ain't you just blink? If I've watched this log of that FBI's yep We'll get there eventually Just got my rags plushie during this e-fap and I couldn't be more happy with it happy with it great Can't wait to get a little mutually to go along with it also high rags Hello Yeah, it should be on the way and happy to hear it Um Is does is there diamond proof MCU uncle Ben even died violently? Oh It are you asking is this solid proof that MCU Ben died violently? No, I don't think so. I don't know if there's anything In the MCU, but they might be something third party you could probably get from one of the writers But they're doing that prequel animated series now, right? Yeah, but is that in the MCU or is that I assume it'll be as canon as the TV shows are I don't know What if it's like sort of tangential cannon though? It's not well, so that's the problem in it What if is cannon in the way that fucking anything is cannon because of the way that the timelines works It's just like I guess so Yeah, well no because they would have been melted by the TV a right no Kang's gone now fucking anymore. They're gone All multiverse out there capital opinions is asking me about that He was like, which is the first true free will MCU movie and I was like I'm not sure and then he was like, well, I don't know what it means at this point though in terms of the time I guess we would have to presume that the first free will time like movie was Potentially like Avengers right at the end Um Why would it has to be from when it has to be from when 2012 Loki became a variant, right? And so they traveled back in time So does that mean Iron Man 3 is like the first free will one? It depends on where they I guess depends where they I don't think yeah We can't argue it that way because I don't know all of time is available Yeah, yeah, well then that means they're all free will and not free will all at once Yeah, they're all free will and not we did it everyone. Oh, that's a satisfying answer Well, so the funny part I guess was that the capital was like, you know, is it Shang-Chi is it below? And I was like, well the problem is we don't actually know until Loki season 2 what the fuck even happened at the end of Loki Like it's not really clear. We can guess but I'm not sure what happened That clears it up. Thanks. I'm literally not answering it at all really Well, there is no answer It's a lesson The lesson of never fuck with stuff like this in your story just don't bother That's me to be honest, I don't know what that's regarding unfortunately I Resent that assertion also high rags notice me senpai Hi See, I gotta keep waiting Notice them though. It's good to be noticed. Here's money. You love me yet. Oh now. I know what this is regarding the Not yet one Yeah, love is you can't just rush love. That's right. Yeah Love is complex and beautiful and the truth is beautiful too and that's all we need because Lies are bad. What else did Wonder Woman say in her movie? The truth is beautiful Just accept the No, you're right Some people thought she could because of how hot she was though and now she's gonna play the queen in Snow White Naturally, I'm sure she'll pull it off. Yeah Do you ever think sometimes that a director just isn't familiar with her where cuz they don't watch all the stuff She's in and then they're like, oh, she's really high profile Like people love it. She'd be bring her on like seen one. Yeah, just shoot that. She's like hello, and they're like, oh my god Can we like change this? No, it's too late. See that'd be a South Park joke right there They'd be like no, no, no, I don't want you to act like a fucking zombie. Try something else The director's character is one that he genuinely thinks she's getting the wrong idea He's like no, no, no, you you're doing like a dead person. I don't want that. I want someone who's very lively Do you read your characterization you are living Okay, again, are you actually a dead person? What's happening? I'm so confused Yeah, good luck to her at all future devils Wow, I can't believe this comment, please pay attention to me if you don't like I hit myself with a Two-by-four for pleasure high rags Hi Yeah, you're all nuts in the super chat section. All right May I have five attention, please wow hogging all the attention? I don't know. We'll give you four Is this still Richard and more thalamu e-fap in the works? Oh Right oh Well, maybe we'll have to see what's going on with that Yeah, all I can say is big maybe So that might be worth checking out. What was that? Sorry? It's all our opposites the the one by Justin Rowland Uh, do you mean in regard to e-fap or just in general? We should maybe check it out and see how that one is Well, I mean if you want to put it on the list we are We have things for e-fap movies to watch things to watch just for coverage in general Then things we like to watch casually and our casual list is now fucking overflowing A casual list is huge Also, any of you seen slash have interest in the french dispatch I don't think I haven't even heard of that one. I've heard of it, but I've not seen it Also high rags and others Hello the french dispatch um A love letter to journalists sets off sets in A love letter to journalists Set in an outpost of an american newspaper in a fictional 20th century french city that brings to life a collection of stories published in the french dispatch Story by west anderson roman capola Hugo guiness jason schwarzman I don't know anything about it Alrighty till the swinton's in it bill Murray's in it Vinicio del Toro's in it Geez, that's a huge cost Man, there's three people all in it. What is adrian brody? Yeah, there you go timothy shalamet. He's uh What do you do right? I'm a shalamet. Wow shut chat shalam shala meat shalamet Vinnie here I'm gonna post this picture This look he looks this looks like a fake this looks like a fake person. He looks like a a wax figure Yeah, he just doesn't look real I mean, he's uh, I wonder how old he is because he's been in fucking in movies for ages now But he's right. Yeah, he's probably in his 50s. I think or venicio del toro let's see He is 54 yeah And then sending this just to spite the super chat commenter. Well spite complete So i'm not sure they'll register it. They seem to be kind of insane but maybe Uh, why does rags have two sets of eyebrows? Why do I have two sets of eyebrows two sets of what? I don't see two sets. Did I think those little like cream patches at the top there next to the eyebrows? No, no those are Yeah, that's that's yeah, those are right over there. Yeah, that's that's fur color I don't know those aren't eyebrows. They're the little no eyebrow Um I'm rather mentally challenged and depend on rags to nourish my parasocial needs. Thanks guys You bet anytime you need me. No pride Um, I may be retarded, but don't you dare call me emotionally invested It's like very well Um, mum says it's my turn on the brain cell. Hi rags Hello, just make sure you don't break the brain cell Um, also next tfa pot when mutually hi spun do I don't know that's meant for you, right? So Like I have many names spun do is one of I have many names. There are some who call me spun do Naturally one of my favorite names Uh tfa pot when is is just one of those perpetual questions and one day you'll see it drop into your box And you'll be like, oh my god, there it is and you'll click it and then look it because that's the way you do it Oh, no, I'm mental. Man. What am I gonna do sad face? Yeah, I'm I know I There's not really anything we could do about it. Sorry Except well respond, you know, that's something we can do Please notice my mental challenge more what They're mentally challenged Notice my mental challenge. You have been noticed Be stupid mentally unfit. Hi moringy rags ragas ragapaw ragapaw That's not a bad name moringy ragapaw. I'm with stupid Uh, you guys are the only people I stupid chat too because I know that you're going to respond to them Vision meme. Maybe I am mentally challenged Well, yeah, we how okay, how are we doing here? Yeah, we're up to seven hours and 40 minutes today. It's gonna be one of those long boys This one just says Getting self aware of these super jets That is pretty funny. No Um, here's some monies to feed my parasocial relations. Also based waffle time and high rags He's waffle time. Hello. Waffle time knows what's up Off the time um Mola, what do we gain from this guys answer evil points? Oh, this is the thing. I don't even know what that chatter was trying to achieve with what he said is I guess he's annoyed that we respond to super chats, which I've never understood because if you are a A viewer of efap, it's all sections so that you don't have to listen to it if you don't want to Yeah, it's not spliced in a mixed in in the middle Yeah, you just watch the show and then leave when you get to that part. I know plenty of people do and that's totally fine It's up to you um But to be like why do you respond at all? It's like, all right. Geez Um, it was me that made that post Uh, I had made that in a moment of anger. I will concede that they all look alike in that context Oh about the animator. I thought it was just funny. Don't worry about it I uh, I just because because I think we pissed off a couple people because they just assumed that we thought They were all the exact same thing in general When like it's very much about the personalities and of course none of us fucking know anything about that I'm just saying that they all were staggeringly similar in terms of their Their dress and like a parent sort of attitude Um, but you know, is that really a failing on the designers or is it just what's popular? Yeah, I don't know. It's the checking before the egg, you know Um, I think the issue is that the anime pick has multiple Uh art styles while I'm While hololive pick is clearly all made in the same art style and outfit. I mean, yeah I don't think there was much analysis needed. You can tell the difference. Like it's very clear Um, it's just that they what do you see that with no courtesy like fuck it. They're all the same Uh high rags Hmm Hello, what are your thoughts on the new resident evil 4 vr game that came out at the end of october planning to play it? Maybe stream it Hey, uh, I don't really have any interest in it. I don't have vr the stuff I saw from it I just didn't care for what I saw. It's not my thing. I just don't have any interest in a vr of it Um, I I'd say I'm the same as you on that really. I don't know why I would want resident evil 4 in vr You know, yeah, I don't I have like no interest in that game being vr. I want to I like it how it is. I wouldn't change that aspect of it Um got a job at pan Panera and every time I prepare a bagel I'm reminded of moopa's end game analysis relating to themes to bagels Thanks so much moopa Uh, yeah, that ended up in a gadelb video. I think right where it's just I think the idea was that we wanted A joke in gadelb where I somehow connect something in end game to something And I think chat had to like just give me a thing and someone said bagels. I think that's what happened Bagels are good. Hey awful time was bagel Yes, yes It's all coming full circle um If you don't read my super chat, I'm going on a rampage because I'm obviously mentally challenged Mola spooky noises. I don't know Seems to be the welcome quite a beast to the the super chat section of things Um, Hasan time travels from stings ages nice pink kid Say that one more time because I legitimately am a bit confused Um, I'm gonna opt to just post it to you. Yeah, just because I have no fucking clue what it means Hasan time travels from stings ages nice pink kid Oh, remember ty said nice pink I think that's what that's a referral to so Hasan time travels From From stings ages Which is what it that maybe that's probably a typo for um strange No Strange gauges it get uh Time Stingrays No Stone age Maybe could be stone age He time trials for stone age Yeah, the stone age might be work because st And maybe it just got filled out like oh wait. Let me check my phone. Maybe the Well, the i and the o are next to each other So maybe he meant to see st on but he put an st I in and then auto corrected it to string Is the idea that he's like a caveman in terms of his input on Yes in terms of his intellect and his ability to grasp simple concepts Yeah, you know what I think we deciphered it. I you know what I'm liking it I'm liking it. I agree with this comment took some work, but I agree Uh fun fact orcas have been observed torturing animals for fun They might not even eat the animal they tortured afterwards afterwards. Yeah, I've I've heard about that Walkers can be quite cruel, but I guess they wouldn't know it as something of a cruel thing. I don't know Uh, where did you learn about sharks on a university? Hassan also is Hassan afraid of asteroids high racks Hello, he probably is he's not gonna live on earth because asteroids could hit us. Yeah Okay, like I said, he's going out to space, but then again, that wouldn't really be safe either would it so What is the poor guy gonna do? Um, so this one's for free. So I think we'll wait for a moment because he is Probably getting a coffee. I do not know I do want to defend Phoebe here check out flea bag where she wrote an act It I would argue it's a very good character drama. No comments on her 007 work That's very possible. I don't see why not. There's plenty of people who say cringe-worthy things, but also make some good stuff I just wanted to put out there that like what I knew from why we were concerned about her as a writer was taken From one of many things including that fucking comment about tampons and I was just like, yeah, that seems really weird Um, especially in a fucking Bond movie. It's like what the hell? And so that's why people like had concerns It wasn't because they hate women, which is why would you whatever? Uh, but yeah, I don't know. Uh, let's hope she doesn't, you know, do any damage to good old indiana jones I think everyone has a big ol Big ol, uh, big old hope for that. I'm sure My super hot take I Abhor the count of Monte Cristo movie because I know it's potential from the source material that the movie does not ever come Close to reaching read book. Please also high rags Hello, there's probably been a lot of count of Monte Cristo Attempts. Yeah Um, I don't know. I guess they're talking about the first one or maybe the most famous one I don't know. I don't think I've even It's as long as it needs to be sir Man the computers don't even try to complete this one I'm more than happy to be the one that survives Um, I'm playing cyberpunk 2077 right now. See how I'm torn apart for liking it Uh, hope everyone here is having an cozy time What are your favorite warm drinks for winter or cold ones if you're fringy in australia Also, yeah, you're welcome to like cyberpunk 2077 In fact, I don't really have any way to criticize liking 2077 right now because I haven't played it in so long It might have been updated far past what I played so You know when I was in in in Boy Scouts, we would do a lot of uh, the most of our Uh camping would be done in the winter and fall early spring like when it was colder And in search and rescue we would do Campouts and hikes pretty much year round Um, but when it was cold One thing that I always made sure to do is have milk handy So that we would We could use that for Proper hot chocolate we wouldn't use like we wouldn't mix it with water because that's garbage crap Uh, but when you use real milk, it's really really good So you put it in there and you'd heat it up and get it hot and mix it up And when you're out there in that kind of environment where the only warmth is essentially like a fire if you have one going And you're going to be Cold often depends on how you dress, but you're going to be you know chili often That's really what sort of makes it the best Uh thing I've had for that. It's it's just It's the setting in the environment and where you are that makes it the most important or at least the best I was just gonna say hot chocolate so I like markers Then eight and cold drink is like coke We're in coke Yeah, I love oh that In the same vein summer camp sweltering hot here in arkansas really high humidity You'd have to travel you'd have to walk from class to class depending on what you were doing Whether it was orienteering or Nature conservation or this or that and the other thing the merit badge stuff and There was one store where you could go to and you could spend money and they had a they had a Sona machine in there and they would give you a an ice cold coke ice and all And you could drink that on the way to one of your classes if your route took you the correct way Or cross there and walking through the hot You know forest in the middle of summer while having this ice cold coke with you Man, that was great. That thing was super beautiful Bringing you know what really grinds my gears whenever you witness something doing something retarded and then say What are we doing? Not only are you not doing that but also don't drag me into this I'm not partaking in whatever cringe the person covered in currently is doing I mean, you know when you say we don't necessarily mean that particular person he's excluding you of course We can mean a lot of different things But fair Um, so far I really like 2042, but there are some bizarre design choices that need to be fixed And I hope they do address the issues I think that the problems are too deep to the game When you have features that you have this many just core features that are not in the game It's beyond I think it's just beyond fixing it would just need to be like a whole new game at this point It's not like it's missing one or two things this shit is like core to the experience And it would be it would need a total large-scale revamp And I just don't think they're gonna do it I think they're gonna try and milk it for everything. It's worth, but I don't think they're really gonna make any Big improvements. They might add a thing here add a thing there, but no, I just don't see it Thoughts on the ultra wide monitors and the hunt showdown Uh I don't know much about ultra wide monitors or hunt the hunt showdown. I've heard the game is neat Um, but I really don't know anything about it. I might get into it later all that time I would have spent playing battlefield can be into other things But I don't have an ultra wide So neither do I and I'm starting to think is is that the kind of monitor that just does the curve or we talking ones that like Like very long very very wide. It is ultra wide Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about them. I'd I guess I'd have to use one to know if I think it's Yeah, I don't think it's my thing. Uh, I think I've sort of yeah, I just don't think ultra wides are for me Maybe if you had only only could only get one monitor that would be a good choice But with three monitors and me not wanting to physically have to move my head around To look for things on a screen, especially in a game. I think 24 inches, which is where I'm at Uh, I think my monitor is 24 inches. I think no 27 I don't think I'm going to go any bigger than that just because once you get bigger than that I would have to like my eyes would have to start looking around for things And I just don't feel like that's I I'm fine with my screen being this size. It's already pretty big considering Is it reasonably close to it? Sounds fair to me Is there anything you want to add to that for me or nay? Not really Um, I missed most of the stream, but I got my makeshift rags plush today also high rags Nice Really glad hope you like it. Yeah, they're all pouring out the rags ones. Um, yeah I believe mine have come I need to go and check my uh my mail I may have picked up two rags Oh Or I can't remember if I actually did more than that because I think I'm going to give one uh to two particular people for Crimbus It doesn't matter if they don't know who you are because you're a cute doggie Uh, this will probably be in the super chat catch up But long time subscriber gazillion hour listener looking forward to my plushie level that you do Oh Why thank you Yeah, we're uh, I think we're gonna try and get all the ones of today's ones done. We should I think we're looking we're in we're in if you could split it into Six parts. We're in the final of the six. So Also, my partner just fucking tried to kill me in the co-op thing. Thank you. Wario I'm pretty sure he's on normal Not retarded. So I don't know why this is happening. It's fine Yeah, I like playing as boo Yeah, boo's just on a little adventure mind in his own business Wario, what are you doing? Yeah Yeah, what is wario doing while he's on retarded mode and I ended up with the normal computer and somehow he's doing worse It's like, why are you doing this to me? Is that how they logistically like created the um The bots for for lower difficulties like they'll just sabotage you that's that makes sense Oh He keeps jumping on me. What the fuck are you doing? We're gonna lose the game now. Thank you. Wario. You're a legend Yeah, there you go I'm not angry They're just like, hey, you made it. You mean what? Yeah, look at them go. Yeah, like the leaving you in the wake You have you have like the shy guy valleys watching wario kill me. He's just like you guys can do it. Yeah What the fuck's happening? Got another bailing piece. He did a quick one here. Oh my he's got he's got me with my uh, my four That's a lot of that's a busy forehead all them eyebrows Ladies a lot of eyebrows I mean, you know, there's a lot of grills out there who really like that in a guy I use a lot of grills. Mm-hmm nice Uh gentleman, I'm pretty sure it's been determined before but what is e-fap's official position on which is worse overall tlj or tros I well, I can do you one better. We don't know which is worse out of the three of them to be fair Yeah, I They Mm-hmm Oh Oh, who knows who's gonna answer such questions. I'll give him the I'll give him a quick answer in terms of so So tfa destroys the entire world and then tlj and tros Like chip away at it. If you know what I mean, like the main damage sits with tfa Uh, han is ruined by tfa. Luke is harmed by tfa but destroyed by tlj. Tros fucks with I guess anakin and the emperor and Then the plots for all three films are absolute fucking crap Thematically, I think the only one that's like actively shits on itself is tlj I don't know about the other two fucking what even are the themes of the other two um Most embarrassing flaw probably goes to tros being that the enemies don't know which way is up And they they that that was the film where they explicitly said somehow palpatine returned Just ain't given the fuck up so um Ooh, yeah, it's Is hard the three of them are fucking horrible Is does tfa because it was first That just really sets it up for extra failure It was the one that established a lot of this So what people like to point out and I do think this is true to a degree So for example, the three of us were given control of the trilogy post tfa Now i'm not claiming that it would be some well-written masterpiece. What i'm suggesting is that we can do repairs We can bring it back. We can make it so that You know different we can still do a lot of things that can fix up what tfa has put us in Um and provide context that isn't there but like tlj just doubles down and does crazy bullshit itself so like I think it's correct to say that it surely tfa is like the worst one because it puts everything in the horrible position It's like I guess but like the most significant damage according to Most people is going to be what happened to luke, right? Um, yeah, once you take once you destroy the characters in the world Uh, man, it's tough to it's tough to hold on after that especially because the world's fucked too There's like there's nothing to hold on to anymore Can I just say mando? Well, I I guess like I just I think any of them is fair to pick. I really do. I I I don't know which one like are my knee jerk choices But I know a lot of people think tross would be the correct answer and I understand that I just I don't know It's tough. Um If I had to pick one I might go It might be I might have to go with tfa because of where it puts everybody Because you know, there's there's pond and I mean even leia and the republic and all it's like it just so I think because tfa does the most to undermine the original trilogy It's true And it's already damaging luke uh that movie Yeah, yeah Because it does so much damage to the ending of return of a jedi By just basically saying y'all actually arguably did something worse because you allowed the first order to happen somehow somehow that I think i'm gonna go with the force awakens I think that's what y'all picked. I think I I think I might do that. I'm not sure. It's a really fair argument. Honestly. Um It's likely going to be my conclusion when the tfa series is finished There's a lot of different reasons for each three so Um, because of course you could still rescue You could make it so that luke was captured and the waters on that island is just a like a a trap for rey or something Yeah, you know all the luke was uh manipulated by a great the doth plagueus Let's bring him in I guess. I don't you know the people going nuts over snoke in tfa saying he was doth plagueus I remember all that shit, man It's like that's the guy that's the guy palpatine talked about look He's all injured because palpatine would have tried to kill him Oh my goodness. Wow. It's gonna be amazing and then he just dies and it's like oh And then he was in a test tube in the next What the hell Those fucking movies are a troll like the whole thing is like what the hell happened Hundreds of millions of dollars all the talent you could need It's fucking insane what happened Um, I have my plush set up and near my mouse for optimal pats Hey, good stuff. I'm looking forward to my desk having uh two new friends to sit there My rager is sitting up on uh my shelf next to my plate dr. Mosque You're not wearing it right now Um, no, I I got multiple masks. Don't worry Uh crazy gun stuff in the news How do we keep guns out of the hands of idiots without infringement? Mandatory training a license to operate similar to a driver's license also thoughts on pcc's rags I'm fine with pistol caliber carbines especially if you're looking for something that's uh a bit cheaper to shoot Uh gentler with a recoil depending on what kind you get Uh just good Plink and material. Uh, that's sort of what I'm kind of looking to get next myself an sp5 or a stray bog Maybe a kp9. I'm not sure yet Um as for the first part um I think it's just uh, I it's just It's something that it's I think it's just because something that's gonna happen I think this is one of those bottom-up issues of why do people do this? Uh, why do people feel like they need to do this? And those are the kinds of things we need to try and fix so we need to work on You know mental health and the availability of people to get better in scenarios Um because if I mean if it's not a gun issue because if they don't use a gun They'll use anything else. There's too many deadly implements in the modern world that anybody can just get Um, and it's it's not worth taking guns out of the hands of wild-binding citizens in order to accomplish that Um, yeah, because there's there's the memes about the the van and it was like are they gonna ban vans? It's like no, of course not, but Uh, the idea of like having a driver's license equivalent for guns. I guess that's interesting. Um, it's just that Certainly americans aren't going to be happy with the idea that they have to have a license to own a firearm and Uh, you have to have and a lot of places you have to have a license in order to carry one concealed Or carry one if you with you out and about in public, right? Um, so And and there is a class that goes into mostly the legalities concerning that. Here's what you could do Here's what you're allowed to do. Here's what you know, ta-ta-ta But I mean I I think as far as guns go you do have a right to defend yourself and it's important that Uh, they're used to essentially defend against tyrannical governments if it comes to it. I mean that's the primary reason the amendment exists um I mean unfortunate things happen and it's bad and we need to look at solutions to that that are productive and actually help Because there are you know, there's there's people who are just not right in the head They don't get the help they need they have issues and they feel the need to do, you know bad things And that's what we need to address Because i'm not gonna let you take away my guns because some evil person or some crazy person Used a gun to do a bad thing Especially when often it's guns who stopped them from doing even further bad things So, yeah, that's uh, that's all I have to say Is there a chance of playing mario potty superstar online with frigid rags? Plus it has your favorite minigame book squirm from mario potty 4. Oh my god That could be sorry mario potty superstar online. Is that switch? So, yeah, it's the new one. It's basically just uh Like greatest hits of the whole series Is it okay? Is it bad that the fact that book squirm is it is already enough for me to be like we should probably play that actually It's called book squirm is the minigame. I fucking love that minigame. I don't know what it is Is that the one with the shapes you have to run underneath? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that looks like a fun one Yeah, let me just let me just it's mario potty superstars. Yeah, that's the one. I think it came out very yeah came out only a couple weeks ago um Yeah, it is uh Just uh 100 minigames from previous games in the series, right? I'd love to know what their choices were uh Well, so it says remakes of the boards because it remakes the boards as well. Okay um Hmm because um, you know the one where you're on the little um I think it's mario potty one where uh You're on little balls and you try to knock each other off a platform It's the one that pummel potty basically stole but like I don't mind it because it's a great idea for minigame I wonder if that made it in I love that one as well One that fought here was like really bad it I don't know. I don't know why he hated that game. He could never win it um Sword and Shazam, please do what the turtles are bridled. It's not gonna happen. Maybe alone The the coverage you got is what you got here basically Someone else will do it. All right. Someone else out there feels that spark and they're gonna they're gonna tackle the turtles It's gonna be great Um, but yeah, we'll definitely think about that. I don't know um when or in what manner but it sounds tempting um I'm doing a fan art if you of you all on a poster like james bond titled too long to die I like it Your tisms bring comfort in these trying times. Thank you for keeping company on long nights What are your takes on the back to the future trilogy? I rags. Are you a long man and no fringoid? I guess Hey there Hello, um, I haven't seen those movies in so long. I can't comment much honestly. I just remember really liking all of them That's the best I got right now because my details are very thin because I haven't seen it in ages But uh, that could be a efab movies potential back to the future trilogy What about you fringy? um It's been a while I really like facts of the future though There you go. Sorry in-depth take is the it's been it's been too long. Yeah Honestly, I could I honestly struggle to remember exactly how the movies go Uh other than the the main beats. I just remember my feelings about it. So Maybe they're just awful. I don't know But um, yeah, I've just always liked them. That's my best I got Uh, how many tomatoes do you eat per week? Hi fringy Hi zero Yeah, zero. I don't like tomatoes. I yeah, I don't really I guess in the forms of math for me In bringing another food maybe but like yeah, I don't I don't I don't think I ever eat them on their own All right Eat a spoon of eat half a spoon of and don't eat ketchup mayonnaise butter Wait, hold on eat What with it? So a spoon half a spoon and don't eat I eat a full spoon of butter half a spoon of ketchup. Fuck the mayonnaise. Get rid of that shit. It's the exact same for me Yeah, I don't I really don't like definitely Yeah, we're on the same page with the butter. Eat the butter. I could eat butter Oh, especially because it's more solid. You could just gulp it down. You just want to do it with the rest. Um Uh, would I rather eat half a spoonful of ketchup by itself or mayonnaise by itself? I'll definitely take the ketchup. It's no contest mayonnaise is out of here I think I'll take the ketchup And skip the mayo. I would harp. Sorry Fringy is very judgy right now. Yeah, it's Yeah, I think I would do that. Yeah So someone said if it was miracle whip, the miracle whip would be different though Well, I mean you go with vances and chat too. I just I feel like this is so hypers objective So someone asked about someone asked us about how many tomatoes we eat in a week And then someone follows that up with wouldn't you spoon full of ketchup? Yeah The very cool Eternals was a nerd crew reference Oh the very cool very cool. I still I don't know you could you could be using that because you're You're like it is actually cool, but um, I assume they were being sarcasmo By referencing the nerd crew That was the like the second super chat But now we're on the other end. Can you believe it? Uh 86 an anime and light novel deals with the struggles of war crimes the scars of war And doesn't get tizmy worth your time if you want to see worst slash best of humanity with a great story Fair enough It's called 86 if that sounds tempting to anybody out there um To a scotsman at the end Why not Remember Eternals was at least partially inspired by man of steel zaki the blueprint arrived with What do you what can you say to that it's like Okay, just why why would you do this? Why would you be inspired by that but Yeah, I don't know, um Yeah, I I just don't want to say that um rip the neutral response video Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I was uh, I mentioned about the the future armor thing Sad um, I have I have something that I would like to report Uh while we have a break in between super chats. I feel like this is the best time to bring it up do it What no that's fake It is yeah I just wanted to see your initial You didn't you didn't make me worried for a second there because I was I honestly my brain was like absolutely fake But I was like, but is it possible Uh chat for reference it is a disney plus series called the nostalgia critic Yeah, but it's from the account disney lsauce It's it's very concerning for a moment because I just thought like I could have he could have it's like no I know it's like it's that weird world we live in you know It was terrifying for a moment there, but we survived Um, I feel overwatch lost the normies because it got overtaken by the tumblr crowd Almost all the characters are gay slash by and uh constant ship wars That's so I would imagine this is actually probably hurt that game though. It's just like the game itself I was gonna say it's so bizarre like the shipping would damage the game Yeah, I see that it would Shipping is that kind of shit that people love to do for some reason It's very normally actually seeming like shipping like yeah, it's not like strictly tumblr. It's still strange though Like for example, if you and I will oh us. We're just discussing fucking some, you know It's like oh Who'd win big daddy on master chief? I just like to go to that as a default That makes way more sense to me that if you were like could you imagine if like fucking big daddy and and uh Sophia lamb like got together I'd be like that's like I guess I could but why would that Why I just don't I guess sometimes I wonder is other difference between boys and girls Or is it just a particular thing because like it's just like shipping has never made any sense to me. I was like, I don't I don't care. I just could you imagine they get together? I was like, no, I don't Okay, okay So, you know It's nice for forever. What I guess Um as for what killed what do you think killed overwatch rags? Probably the Balancing that was far too heavily That that that was far too focused on the competitive scene Because blizzard had a lot of huge interest in trying to keep this a prominent e-sport that just kept going and going and going and I think that really kind of Killed a lot of popular interest in the game Uh because that's something that I hear over and over and over is that the balancing is terrible balancing is terrible Uh because just wasn't balanced with the idea of most players in mind or at least a decent enough amount of general You know to the general crowd in mind Um And when a game loses its as far as I'm aware when a game loses its general audience the e-sport scene is going to dry up as well Um, yeah, I think it's a general audience of the people who watch Yeah, so I I think that's probably what it was. I haven't I haven't played it in years now, but I mean the lack of movement acceleration and a lot of the just ults that would just kill you and How some characters would just flat out just destroy others and that's that I just Stop playing I was on my way out. Anyway, I feel Guys remember that off-brand seven up called dnl read the slogan on those bottles the fucking balls on that guy who made that You can't get me a second time Well, no, I mean he's he's literally just he's commenting on that the the This the the guy made it and I guess was trying to trick people into thinking it was seven up right, which is I mean, did he get in any trouble? He must have gone in some trouble, right? See that's the kind of thing where you might be clear in like a literal way But surely in a court like it would be easy to tell what's happening. You know what I mean? Oh, well, yeah, I mean the big thing would be that seven up would be trademarked as an image And it's you can't just like flip it upside down. That's not good enough What if you could prove that you actually did create it separately with with no influence from I don't think that I'm pretty sure that doesn't even matter if it's registered like if I independently came up the coca-cola logo It's like, yeah cool, but like too late. They trademarked at first tough Well, it's like the subverse thing Oh, yeah The game Oh, that was a website. That was it. Yeah That was a big oof uh An eight even with zemos convoluted improbable plan It ain't that convoluted or improbable if you think about it Yeah, it's actually a pretty good plan And crossbones not stabbing cap in the back when you had the chance So I get sent that on twitter every once in a while people send me it as being like your sacred cow. It's like Does nobody know the counter argument? Is it really that bad out there? Guys like whenever you come across any character doing anything. This is like the thing we talk about all the time Why are they there? What do they want? Now crossbones makes it pretty fucking clear what he's after It ain't simply the death of cap. It's a little bit more complicated than that Now, um the obvious comparison with with good ol doc arc is he doesn't even know who peter parker is He's in his way. He grabs him by his head and I think he says What's what's the line something about living that he says not anymore Yeah, he's trying to kill him. He is very much trying to kill him explicitly trying to end spuderman's life And for some reason he doesn't use the thing that could easily kill him at any moment But then he does later on as opposed to what's happening with crossbones where he fucking hates cap He says I've been waiting for this Yeah, he wants to he doesn't want to have cap just be executed instantly. That's not what crossbones is after He wants to beat cap now remember Oh, we're just giving away the answer at this point which is fine with me Whatever. So if you watch the fucking fight, he's trying to beat cap one to one And he loses he's losing rather and he keeps getting frustrated. I fucking love the fight by the way Uh, he misses a few punches. He goes brrr like you just can't fucking get cap. So then he um I think that's when he pulls out the knives, right? Uh, yeah, yeah, because cap keeps doing counter punches Which means if you keep missing and getting punched in response You're just like fuck He pulls out the knives tries to use them. They both get ruined. And so then he uses the debt Call it a debt pack. I don't know what it is C4. Um, now the criticism shouldn't even be the stabbing at that point You should just argue. Hey, why don't you just fucking blow himself up right next to cap? Yeah, which to me just shows a dramatic Misunderstanding of the situation To me it's like spoon fed to the audience Before the fight, where are we gonna like rendezvous? It's like I won't he isn't planning on walking Out away from this one. He plans to die. Um, so he plays he wants to kill him Um, and if that means blowing himself up, that'll be his last option Before actually just trying to my assumption is he was just gonna definitely no matter what. Um Uh, yeah, yeah, but I what I mean by that is that like that comes last after the knife Yeah, and and the knives are only pulled out when you realize he's not going to be able to beat cap with just the fists Yeah, it's a wonderful little scene. It's perfect for crossbones And that's the important part. It is all in character whether or not that was the absolute best decision He could have made to expediently kill captain america Maybe not it's not the point though. That's people don't do that people don't always make the most expedience Best possible decision. I mean he literally didn't want to it's not even about him like making a mistake That's that's what i'm about to say the most important part is Is this something that this character would do? Is this what they want? Does this make sense given what we know about them? That's what matters not whether or not they're making the absolute best possible decisions And usually when we talk about flaws, it's either incongruous or like the worst possible decision you could have made People act rationally in accordance with their beliefs not like rationally on a fundamental clinical level I figure out exactly the best thing because someone's just said oh my god civil war is such a sacred cow It's like I don't even like first of all plenty of efap Community people don't like the movie and think it's bad. So it'd be fine there Secondly the sacred cow we're putting up arguments in defense of it. I was about to say There's no counter to this so as soon as you come up with one go right ahead But I haven't heard it yet. Yeah It's so obvious if you watch the scene that he's definitely not simply trying to execute cap instantly He wants to fight how about the fact that there are many avengers next to him and that maybe you should end cap first They aren't next to him. They're preoccupied and he's just going to explode no matter what that is the end game for him. Yeah So say for example, he's battling cap and then falcon turns up and starts fucking him up He's gonna be like right. I got to engage blow up plan By the way, this is writing for the movie because this it's in the movie Yeah, like this not only do we see what he did in the movie, but this ultimate scenario didn't happen Oh, yeah, because this is the thing that we have to remind people of and yeah, he would do something different Yes, a lot of people like to cite the whole rifle. It's like it's like you're writing flaws for the movie though So you got to be careful. Yeah, it goes both ways what you've described didn't happen So you're saying the characters are human who make bad decisions someone call Patrick willams the funny thing there is It's not a bad decision in regards to what he wants Uh, I think crossbones especially after the defeat in the elevator and then getting the building dropped on him Which again explicit wants to beat cap one on one Uh, but he can't do it and so he detonates Which causes other problems Why is Frank constantly talking over balleries off his beds again? It fit us. I think I spoke over him a couple times We just we like back and forth in you know, we're very passionate about the old civil war And what I will say is you're not going to find better people to criticize civil war than myself free and very likely rags I don't remember how much you like civil war. I'm assuming it's your favorite of the MCU rags. Yeah. Yeah But like probably either that or the first guardians Anyhow, I worry that we'll never get to be that good again, and it's not even like close to perfect It's just something that the MCU is just nowhere near capable of Um, but uh, I do like I said it years ago and I still honestly stand by it I would like to make a critique of civil war and go through the film as in detail as I do with tfa I will explicitly go through all of the flawed writing But also talk about all of the incredible writing because there's a lot in there that a lot of people don't quite grab And that's totally fine Because it's the same thing is missing like inconsistencies in the movie missing the the connected pieces too Um, but yeah the so like sending me the ha ha he had the knife and he could have put that in caps back I'm just like Man, I feel really awkward right now because it feels like you did list of the dialogue, but okay Also, Fringy's back. Hello Yeah, yeah Was there anything else you wanted to add Fringy? um I guess it's just frustrating because it feels like uh something Like it feels like missing the point of the The system, you know, it's not like It's not a problem when people don't make the best possible decisions. Like that's it's that's too simple. That's not good enough um It's about whether it's consistent or inconsistent with who they are Yeah, which is I just feel like sometimes we're not explicit enough with that's what's important. Um, maybe yeah It feels like a weird tangential development of our attempt at making a system where people like everyone has to do the optimal thing It's like I think it's partly because There's often the problem of characters do stupid things when they should be smarter than that Like that's often a problem And so it's easy to interpret that as when anybody ever makes a decision that isn't the best one they could have That's a flaw And yeah, I just uh, we get scenarios where characters have a goal and they don't achieve it with the capacity that they have And are aware of but uh, this ain't one of those moments Um And it's just interesting that it gets compared to dark ox just like you have to look at the dynamic with these two people Dark ox doesn't even know spider-man Or rather he doesn't give a fuck about him Um, but yeah, and so just to come back to the whole like an eight. It's like well Um, I could maybe I think I could be moved down to a seven depending on If I could find some more bits and bobs wrong with it But the fact is like as someone who's defended civil war since 20 fucking 16 There's not been a single argument this come up where I'm like, oh god, here we go again I just gotta fucking remind them of this this this this As many people still know the first thing that me and wolf ever talked about was civil war and one of his major criticisms was the, uh Cap didn't tell tony that uh The winter soldier was essentially mind controlled which would have stopped the whole drama And I was just like He dead but That's the thing. It's just I don't know. Um Everyone's different with that movie Civil war unfortunately as far as I'm considered is very much underrated. I know way more people who either think it's shit or mid um Than anything else Meanwhile, and I ain't saying this from like a bitter point of view But winter soldier is considered like the best in the mcu and it's just like Uh, that's one of the worst easily. Um I don't like a lot of that film in terms of what it does, but I understand how it got there. I guess um Yeah, it's very interesting I have finally watched shang chi. I had to fully embrace the tizm beforehand though I like the visuals and fights the rear was just a sludge of the antizamy garbage um When you say you like the visuals We talk in cinematography or we talk in just like how cool like the dragon looked and stuff I do not know but uh The fights like I'm trying to remember what did you like the fights for me? What did we say the bus the bus fight wasn't like the worst thing ever, right? In shang chi. Yeah Uh, yeah, that one's all right. That one is the one that I like the most because it's it feels like The most trying to be what I thought that film was supposed to be Trying to be like a fun martial arts movie the other ones just go Yeah You've had to write about civil war but wrong about winter soldier Nope I mean I think we're more certain about winter soldier than we are about civil war Uh To a degree because well, this thing is like we'd have to be wrong about a lot of the criticisms for winter soldier for to rise out of the The really bad tier, you know what I mean? Yeah Yep, but I it's not like I was surprised that I would take on winter soldier would be badly received We knew that was gonna happen. It's okay It's okay More like overwatched am I right? Nailed it Also play ddlc dumbo's Maybe one day Did you know that nintendo released a video on youtube for survival tips on metroid dread With the first tip being directed at david jaffy the clip the clip even shows the room he got stuck on also No, oh my god Hello to you super chatter. I Just in case you need it as a reference i'll just post the color there, but that sounds absolutely hilarious And I hope it's true red early survival tips from one day ago Something may look like a dead end, but you might be able to destroy the final way forward. It shows this. Yeah It shows exactly where he got stuck That just shows to shoot the whole that's funny all the top comments Tip number one is clearly for david jaffy Or in other words metroid dread jaffy survival tips It almost every comment is about david jaffy Holy shit You have to wonder Was that like the guy who was in control of the youtube channel that set that out for dintendo? Or is that like a more so well it's it's official nintendo Well, that's what i'm saying is like i wonder how much of the chain of command was involved in that decision because that's hilarious I do wonder yeah I've had a couple of new and the execs above or whatever they did Yeah, the execs are like yeah, that's true. You did a good idea. Yeah, that's that's good advice. Yeah That would be pretty great if they had no context for it. They're like, I like this video. It's good. They're like, can I send it out? They're like, yeah, of course Like oh because it's really good video Because i'm just really pleased with myself. I'm glad we did this. Yeah, and i'm glad that we're getting more people to be able to play this game Yeah, I like people who've never played video games before who might not understand certain things about their design It's good that they have Intros the energy required to explode kajimi is around 7.66 times 10 to the power 36 joules uh I don't even know if i pronounced all that correctly in terms of numbers and and symbols 860 billion aircraft carriers of anti mass anti matter mass absurd energy density for the star destroyer housing the cannon high rags Hello I'm willing to let them go for stuff like that if it's super sci-fi tech I just think it's hilariously stupid that they've got like That's how they did it storytelling wise Look how scary it is. We've got like a thousand death stars. Oh my god, JJ. You're so good at this I wish I could be as talented as you Then again, I think it's pretty clear. He wasn't really trying like that wouldn't have been his best work Just getting that shit done Uh movable, that's not the dancer. That's just some outside Some outsider also the dancers long grill with nice ass I see I rags whiz jay and greenland sharks live to 800 plus years sweet Wow Imagine how spooky they are at that point Have you seen Chloe Zhao's other films? They were good and one best picture was the biggest production of it. Oh wait I guess that's a separate thing um We talked about is it nomad land is is the right? Yeah, because that's the one the one in oscar Uh, I've not seen it but to be honest with you. I've not heard many people like Gushing over or anything. Uh, at least people that I know like most people just like it's it's eh So I don't know what else she's made though 70% of the comments are about david javi. I could believe it But yeah, I don't um I don't know anything about her uh, her past films. I don't think I've seen any of them Was the big production of Eternals too much for her or was the mcu formula slash idiot writers that hire too much For even good directors to overcome at this point We shall see with guardians 3 I think that'll be the answer that one as well as no way home though I I'm very worried about no way home. Uh already Obviously, I think it's best The best we can hope for at this point is they don't assassinate pizza as long as we have that Yeah, I'll be happy Long man What's your opinion on that sad decrepit lonely old loser that always seeks attention in the mula comments goes by the name of jewish frog I don't know who that is Oh wait, they said indigo gaming wait, but both of them usually get top comments. I've seen jewish frog and uh indigo gaming So, oh, I think I might actually know what you mean now I was gonna say like I wouldn't pull out attention seeking if they just do good comments Yeah, if they're good comments and people like them it sounds like it's deserved attention. It's just not a great build at least I am fine with The upvotes going to the ones that people like That's the way I guess it should work be thankful. You have a comment section. Who knows how long that will last Yeah Before youtube fucking just disables comments comments are a little kind of useful bullying gonna be honest You're not even gonna be allowed to say you are bad Um Forgot to add the actual super chat when I sent the last one lol realistically how much of movibob's regular meal Do you think you could finish? Hmm I think we talked about it before like It's like at least like three full ones for me at least on that plate or whatever is tray Um, and I think we've talked about how it's the soda as well is insane like Yeah, the soda is gonna be really filling. Um It'll however it'll probably be the best part of the meal because the rest of it is mcdonald's food I like their nuggies I like mcdonald's But maybe it's just that they're very different in america. I just I hope so Or else that will make me very sad So yeah, I'm gonna say if I push to my limit three meals would what be what takes me to get through that? um But man like I don't even know because it can make me quite ill I think to eat too much of that some type of food all in a row. Yeah That type of food that Low tier food We call it food a quotation mark It's not quite there, but kind of uh, this one says you missed my super chat. Oh man Well, I'll give it the old have a look through Let's see I hope you're not trolling me as well. I'd be very upset can't have that Hmm All right. Well, give me a sec. I will find a better way of looking for it But we will in the moment just read the next one Please read the script for the sonic for sonic destruction. It's literally the funniest piece of crap. I've ever read The script for sonic destruction That's all they said Sonic destruction I'd literally be anything and I believe it. I don't know. It's an AI generated sonic script I mean the AI scripts are pretty funny Sometimes I don't even believe if they are or not and the person who made it just claimed that let's see It's done by the crew of real-time fan dub on the snap cube channel It's a live reading of a script of a sonic film series generated by AI dungeon with some other you know stuff They did that um for eFab at one point they input a bunch of like keywords for eFab and constructed a story I think mel read them out on his stream Oh, that sounds great. They are rather amusing Also the guy who sent that said like I was just trolling. I hate you But okay Gotcha You might need metal to translate, but Heinheimers das Ragenheimers Oh, we know what that means. Thank you very much What the wait? What does that mean? It means high rags in Germany. Oh, hello Um, that tie guy is more annoying than even your most disagreeable fo- foils also high rags Hello I don't know if it's because we just didn't get too much of a dose of him, but I thought he was hilarious like he's He's like a parody of what he should actually be Um, but I could totally see someone finding him annoying. That's fair Look to the stars called developers New worlds new wars near future or far future tech depending on the planetary positions and wealth The possibilities are dare I say infinite Hmm um We'll see what happens the the fps genre seems to go through phases, doesn't it? To some degree But it looks like we're not in a great phase right now. I guess we'll it'll just depend on on how does how does halo fair? Yeah, hopefully good Hopefully good Hopefully Passion of the Christ directed by Zach Snyder Could you imagine? I would be tempted to see it to be honest with you just to just to see what he does Uh, also high ragged angle Hello goopies for the fringy boy Uh, yeah Do with those goopies what you wish to uh don blast kick j don blast indeed More like gay past gameplay Also, sorry about spelling them 12 hour shifts turned my brain into mush That's all right. That's all right I did say that I said the age of consent should be 12 wings Yeah, I remember catching one of them in his compilations. I was like, oh no Really? Damn. He says some weird stuff. He saw some hot I don't even want to finish the thought Wings is a weird guy. I mainly just like it when he's raging. It's like Super chance Say, and he's a he's a dumb ass I would still what he said that is like you He's 60 something I think 68 Man, that's shockingly though. It's uh, that's what we call dire. I think that's mental retardation I think it is. I think it is. Yeah, I think that's like sub. I don't know 70 75 something like that Well, yeah, because the average is between 90 and 100. So you're gonna like sub to radiate like he's he's not He's not worthy of being above ground He's just like like a mole intelligence. It's like you must move underground if you can't qualify You have to go to the camps underground We have valuable resources here on the surface that we can't spare wings of redemption Uh in order to get back on the surface you have to like do a 1v1 follow duty match How can he read with 68 IQ? I I don't I guess you can We have confirmation. He can read. I guess he can read his chat right as it scrolls. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah He could definitely read. He has trouble sometimes how to read quit some menu as well. We know that you can read that I have impressed by the fact that there was a clip where he was He uh, he quit to the menu and the playstation home screen as he was throwing the controller across the room Like the second standing put in all the inputs necessary Yes, he has muscle memory muscle memory. Yeah for just quitting to you know exiting the game The zombies for vanguard Good, I've done that on accident once or twice not because I was like angry I just I've just been talking to people or carrying on a conversation and a little distracted And in a game, I've just like boom boom boom boom quit the desktop And then I just suddenly realized that I've quit the game and I'm like wait What the fuck and then I have to open it back up again because I was reflect or whatever Eventually you just quit a game so often you just I don't know it was it was weird The zombies for vanguard had to be outsourced to treyarch late in dev cycle, I guess It's so bad that even cod zombies youtubers hate it and they love everything. Oh, no Wow Yeah, it's unfortunate I I don't know what the zombie scene is like these days But it was interesting because I did rewatch the down the rabbit hole for wings and Having like when they have syndicate guests on their podcast and he's talking about cod zombies like in a way that's Like a sport and super serious and to me. It's just like a mode, you know, like it doesn't really yeah Register that way, but it's like, yeah, there's a obviously a meta and stuff I played it a whole bunch I just never took it the way that syndicate was talking about it and I guess it's just something I didn't Care to even yeah, it was never really for me. Was it for me? Uh, introduce my friend to resonable for today. He had a great time. Hope all is well with you lot and high rags Hello glad he liked it. Yeah, that's the correct response It is the correct. He would have been still be your friend Question for rags. What is your favorite food to eat for Thanksgiving dinner? Hmm potato I really do like mashed potatoes Um, I I really like turkey and the gravy on the turkey as well as the potatoes. I like cranberry dressing um Good broccoli and green beans and you know stuff like that. Maybe buttered corn There's a lot of good stuff on Thanksgiving. I think I'm I'm pretty carnivorous I think I'm gonna go with uh Turkey or some yeah, I think I'm gonna go with the turkey on it because you don't have turkey much outside of Thanksgiving Sometimes but generally turkey is what you have on you always make sure to have it just traditionally Get a big old bird and you carve it up and You know everything's right with the world get some Awesome gravy on there. I've ever brown gravy to white gravy Um, and it's it's really good. I I really like that Yes, sir Also high fringy and of course high rags Hi What do you guys call the safety handler handles in cars? My parents call it the jesus bar because that's what you yell when you grab it I call it the oh crap. I call it the oh crap bar I don't have a name for it. I prefer jesus bar. I think that's funny Uh, yeah, I we don't have necessarily a name for that here either Or even a one between like the family or whatever Um Even what cars you can't even drive. You don't even have a license. Hey, I'm not a grown-up motor That's true One day we'll teach you all about automobiles Or go mobile. Yeah, we can hook at any motel you walk automobile Uh If that movie's musical multi-special cats sound of music, etc. Heck even throw in once more we're feeling no No, no, no, no, you're watching cats right neck. I guess the old one that's supposed to be good I don't know if it is or not. I don't even know. Yeah, I don't know. Um, but but new cats back to back with the sound of music sounds very cruel Geez, that's that's a that's a whiplash right there Uh can confirm embrace the suck as a real military phrase fieldwork sucks sometimes and you can't escape it So you might as well embrace it. I I guess I just would have thought the the military would come up with something else You know because like sympathize like really cool Entrymen would come up with something more clever. Well, just like, you know, it was fubar or Semper fi really these are cool Or at least they sound like yeah, but semper fi is more equivalent to like a motto wins or something. It's the uh Just it's like the slogan as opposed to Where uh, what is it when you're saying like it's it's bullshit or something? Well Yes, damn it. No, that's what you're referencing. I'm trying to think Because I know oscar mic means on the move right? Um Oh, uh, it's it's a combination of names But no, no, no, it's a combination of names that is an insult like oh, we are you total This is totally charlie tango or something like that. Yeah, something like that, but but uh I do not know what you are. I don't know Somebody's saying snafu Well, people saying fuba you would I assume you're not referring to I already said that one Yeah, yeah, um, that's it's something else Um, oh my oh, I'm very upset that I can't figure out what it is because I know it Damn it. It is something. Yeah, it's something in the nato length alphabet. It's something in that alphabet damn it Well, um, yeah, apparently it's not eventually but apparently there's a real one. I just didn't know that interesting Embrace the suck. Um, without knowing that just came across as a really lame dialogue But like not enough that I would be that critical of a game just for that Not even close. There's there's way more problems with the game. Don't worry, but uh interesting to know Timothy charmander is a good actor But I want movies to stop trying to convince me a six foot one hundred and fifteen pound dude is an action star Oh What if it's a sci-fi fantasy? He could be that could he not yeah He's doing a little flimpy flampy with you know, you can do that even if you're a thin man People saying whiskey tango foxtrot, which I guess is what the fuck but that is not the one I was thinking of Um, I don't mean to be rude, but fringy left his fly open Oh, oh, I didn't I don't know would they lie Like a dissection. I'm not wearing pants that have a fly on them. So either Yeah, me neither I'm in my comfy pants. Are you wearing what are you wearing in welshland? Are you do you wear kilts? They wear kilts in scotland At where at where? Island. Oh, so just no answer then. What are you? What are you? No rags ask you something Where do they wear kilts in scotland? All right, I suppose they do where I'm there Yeah, there you go. Uh as for me. I'm just wearing shorts Which is pretty funny because we're in the cold over there. We were in the cold part of well, it's eight degrees celsius right now Yeah, there it is. This is the thing People in my area are already getting very fucking freezing and I'm just like, oh, we're finally almost at a reasonable temperature That's what it's like when you're an elder to creature. It's getting a hot here now and that's concerning me Good luck for you here. I believe in you Chill that Uh rags thoughts on brandon. I love that Sorry, I love that guy anytime I hear his name. I just have to cheer him on Oh, right. I get it. Absolutely. Yeah, let's go brandon for a second there. I was like great work. All right, who the fuck is brandon? What's this guy? I was like, oh fuck. Yeah, the beam Dance long man dance also high ranks Hello Uh uber bowl could have made a better star wars trilogy than disney is something I thought I would uh, I thought about often I think you would Uh, genuinely answering. I think it would be bad, but it would be better than what we got Uh, he probably want a crazy world. That is he probably would have had luke You know save them all Do something heroic. You probably would have had a little fluke be a hero Stupid like that. You know something crazy and outlandish. Yeah, it's absolutely nuts Who knows what the limits would be at that point? Uh, so does the rags plushie come with an al-15 accessory? Um, no accessories are not included. Unfortunately. Accessories are sold separately. I wonder if they'd let you do that I wonder if maybe they're not allowed to do guns even like fluffy guns I'd assume Well, they're floofy. It's gotta be okay Um, let's go brandon also higher rags mohler and fringy Hello Screw mary unalive movie bob wings of redemption and boogie also high rugs Oh man, oh man So boogie wings of redemption and I don't want to marry any fucking people and I love that. That's where my mind went first It's it's the trio of failure. It's wings of redemption movie bob and boogie Oh, we got to kill movie bob We got it rags rags. There's a lot of misery to be put out of here, okay Like I don't know that you could just choose it like that He might even be the healthiest of the three It's not about that. It's about the good for the planet Look like wings is too stupid to do anything right His arm is limited boogie's just pathetic But movie bob is a force of evil. He will erase 75 percent of life on earth if he gets you chance We have to destroy movie bob. It's the right thing to do And I'm gonna how you answering those last two Oh Geez I'd marry wigs before boogie I honestly think the wigs is like a more genuine person Yeah, I feel like I get a lot more honesty out of wigs that I would but But what like imagine living with him. I think that actually living you have to live with who you're married Can we just be married? Did I just stay away from him right away? Yeah, I'm gonna just go straight. I think I think I'm gonna well it's biting the bullet either way. I think I'm gonna marry boogie He definitely has the better living situation Yeah, he definitely has a better living situation And we know that he at least has some friends that like come over and stuff And sometimes he can even go outside for a little bit and he's got a new car So that's great. You know So, yeah, I'm marrying boogie and I Then we go to the next question. Yeah, I think the the answer has become very clear. Um So anyway recently started buffy I'm at the beginning of season three and I'm wondering if you have an optimal viewing order once the spin-off starts So if you search google for it, you'll find a decent list. I do plan Within the next year to put together something because I'm gonna need it for other things I'm gonna be doing and I'll just make that available somewhere and then have it linkable But yeah, it can get a little bit complicated because Buffy seasons Four five six and seven happen at the same time as angel seasons one two three four And so and it's not as simple as you watch one than the other. It's it's like they change Because different events happen at different times. It's it's complex and it's kind of impressive that they even did it at all Um Quandary for you If you take the red pill you spend the rest of your lives trying to save movies and media maybe succeed someday Take the blue pill You're no longer able to view films and games in any way objectively But oh it just says objectively, uh, but you will always like the new media slash movies, uh, and be happy And the first pill is what again? Uh, basically what we do now Oh, I'll take what I do now Yeah, send me a yeah, so it ain't worth it. This answer is easy for me because um I don't so like the the meaning I draw out of the content I like the meteor I watch which I like the all the best stuff I've ever consumed I consider very important like uh in lots of different ways, but certainly thoroughly meaningful That's all lost if I like everything I suppose you could argue I would feel as though all of it's meaningful But I like being able to distinguish a difference And understand why some things are much more meaningful and some things are just kind of silly and shit um So I like I you know knowing those two possibilities for myself I would not want to choose the world where I just like everything Because uh, fuck you wouldn't even have taste at that point, you know I don't mean like that in terms of you'd have bad taste. I mean you just wouldn't have taste everything's the same Fun fun fun. Uh, leto fellow frag gots. Oh, right. Gotta watch dsp live stream I like the idea that there are some people who are just like so invested in dsp that they have to Uh They have to give up watching any other anything else to catch his streams. It's fair or or they just want to go there Like gawking at an animal in a zoo, you know Like a gorilla. You're like, oh wow there it is. I've read so much. I've seen so much about them But there it is in the flesh so to speak. I'm here and it's it's natural habitat It's like I'm inside the pen with it Oh good art does for people who enjoy it. What bad art can never do for those who enjoy it. That's an interesting quote Don't know who said it While the dislike bar is hidden it's still visible by viewers using dark magic e.g. This stream has Uh 40 dislikes 37 at the time of super chat also high rags Hello, if there's a back end There's a back end way to actually still view the amount of dislikes that is pretty funny Like a like some kind of script or or a you know inspect element shit Like if it's that simple it's like nice youtube you fixed it Um, but if that is true, I imagine a lot of people will get extensions just for that Han Solo and Kyle written house both shot first and lived Hey, yo Han Solo didn't quite live if you consider the sequels, but he did come back as a memory Or whatever the memory absolve his killer No, no, no Kyle Kylo Kyle Ben Kylo in Kylo forgiving himself And he conjured up the image of Han Solo to do it Han Solo had nothing to do with it Again, I love the idea of actual force ghost Han Solo off to the side watching it like the fuck What is this watching Kylo talking to himself and say thanks dad. Thanks for your forgiveness. He's just like I don't forgive You're a piece of shit I wish you were never born you ruined literally everything Um writer slash journalist didn't like the basic story of the director's vision of nomads land It missed most of the context of the article Was it all that? Haven't seen it. I don't know if you guys have I'm afraid I can't say anything about it really Um I didn't like the reason shown in civil war as to why tony wanted to sign the accords. He already had ptsd issues It was perfect. Good film though What do I It's multiple things all at once, but yeah It's this it's that criticism I've heard before where they're like I can't remember who it was. It could have been YMS or ya or someone else I was talking to I really can't remember but someone said I thought it was dumb that like Some random woman just meets up with tony and gives him all the motivation to sign the accords right before that becomes a major issue He's been already done it It's it's baffling to me that this criticism comes up because it's like yeah if that never happened he's signing the accords That's just a very human Yeah Because like some people like well, then why did he use it as an argument to the people and the things? It's just like that's just one of many people's lives have destroyed good arguments Whether or not you've already made up your mind before another argument. It's like well, there's another reason Why aren't you doing this her speech to him sums up the responsibility angle in the whole film and I fucking love it It's um my son is dead and it's your fault like who's gonna avenge him It's just it's just left on its own because it's like yeah, what the fuck do you do with that? Um, and tony knows he's responsible for many people's deaths because of the choices he's made and there's no Responsibility there's no accountability. It's just well, I fucked up. I guess we move on and so tony is it's too much Um, I would say the accords are done for tony the second age of ultron's done Yeah, definitely and they're called the sycovia accords so Here having said that to him is not why he signs the accords and I don't know why people assume me. That is the reason but I mean if you watch the scene, he's basically just ptsd ridden already Uh, yeah, and then she comes in. Um I think we said it before I can't remember if You feel this way too, but like civil war is my favorite tony stark film I think that there there is no other choice I'm I'm one is a lot behind man one or avenges I think they're a fair picks. I just the civil war. He's so complex at that point and uh Yeah, he's gone through a lot. You seem in a lot of different scenarios. A lot of a lot of different states of mind I fucking love the way that we end up pitting him against cap In more ways than one um Now I have my own adorable rags plushie. I can say hi to you anytime of day or night Thanks for keeping me company. Yeah, you've helped crew truly. Oh and high rags Well, thank you very much and hello Yeah, and uh There'll be another longman on the way potentially. I'm not gonna assume everybody bought the both of them Let's leave them alone. You know, it's pretty fucked up That's uh, yeah More potentially along the way as well Who knows Uh, I said on real bbc that I was revisiting ben 10 classic and I finished it and loved it subjectively But objectively it relies on can contrivance after season one um Fair enough like I I know the Well, I can I know a lot of people would probably be like ben 10. It's like, well, I mean You know, this this all applies to children's content and teenage content and then adult content Like it storytelling is all it's all the same thing Hence why we'd like to appreciate the really well executed children stuff too And so yeah, I have not seen ben 10 But I guess post season one Uh, it may rely on contrivance a bit. That's what I hear. I don't know um Fringy idiot in military speak is usually called Uh one delta ten tango or idiot is spelled out. Oh, hi rags. Okay. I didn't hello That's kind of interesting. I didn't know that That sounds like um A standard interaction in like a military movie like a rookie comes in and like he's a real One delta ten tango the guys like I know what that means and then they all go You think you're hot shit and then he proves himself later Because that's what stories do I remember it whiskey delta weak dick I Thought of that in terms of like weak as in days weeks like he's not I am I've had it right. Yeah whiskey delta weak Large muscles on pee pee My pee pee is uncompared And uh, I think there was another one. No, that's yeah, that was one Uh, thanks to brandon. Thanksgiving will be the suck Uh, I I don't know how much lockdown stuff is still in america. It's always it feels like it's always different In all the different places we're in depends where you are right different states Tales from ph a 50 foot bronze globe in the middle of sm moa shopping mall got stolen via helicopter in Between 1 and 2 a.m. And no one noticed till the morning Wow 50 foot bronze globe Fucking hell nobody scored half life through the air dude. That's huge like the How the hell is it? Wow. Yeah, they just lift that right out. Huh? That's that's hilarious though That is really just one of those things where if you discover it's happened You just you can't be mad at the people who did it because you're so impressed You're like, yeah, you're like, it's just really funny Coming in and not especially if you work there and that thing's there every day and you walk in and it's just gone one day Yeah, and you just like it takes you a second to register that it's yeah Yeah Wait a second. How come I can see across the Yeah, wait, wait, what was that wait? I'm right there There's just an empty little like boltings or whatever where it was attached. They're just They're like little stabilizers at the bottom and nothing there You could picture there'd be a janitor character who never notices anything and he's just cleaning around it It hasn't picked it up yet. No, he's he's cleaning around it as the theft is happening He just doesn't even know he's just sweeping. He's got his little headset on or whatever is sweeping and mopping And slowly but surely Yeah, slowly, but the globe's up behind him and disappears The bastard probably listens to ifa um Yeah, and like he's slightly he hears a noise and he's like you kids better not be here once we close I like the janitor guy I do as well. Yeah does his job, you know, I get yes the globe got stolen under his watch But I mean we all make mistakes. What was he gonna do? What was he gonna do? I like the idea that the guy who's helicoptering it out. It's just like i'm still in this statue and you can't start me It's just like will he hears you really don't care You go right ahead Willy's got so many great jokes in The Simpsons We have to kill movie bob rags 11 13 21 Wait, you got the date you do it the uh the non-american way 13 11 21. Yeah. Yeah, you're doing it the stupid way. It's all confusing when you do it that way We hate it doesn't make sense to do month day. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's honestly the worst thing in america did Day month you should apologize rags Just for that Nah, it's all good You say that but I don't feel it It's all right if more If more of rags and ringy Uh, wait, no, that's not even that's just me saying it wrong if more of rags and ringy All scratch each other's backs. We could call it the trinity of screeches. Hi rags I guess we could Hello to you Well, what a line line. What a film Southport really thinks eternals is five or six out of ten Oh, I mean that's still like too high, but where'd the nine come from then was it a troll? Yeah, well, I I don't what what do you mean? Like so he said it was a nine But he didn't mean it I don't know. Okay. I mean that's Why because nine that's just confusing. I don't even I mean New enlightened system is a five or six great now Oh, james said the nine was subjective I'm guessing he's saying it's a five or six for consistency, which I still think is pretty generous Still that's that's very high. Um, jeez But I honestly I'd still be curious about the nine for subjective. Yeah, it's like, what did you what'd you like so much about it? I do not know Thanks again mola slash fringy for advice. You gave me my channel has uh, no rags advice. Sorry, right? I guess It's been on the fringy stream though this happened. I don't know Uh, my channel has 384 subs in just over two months and it's been fun shameless plug. Check out baffled buffoon All right, you've been trucking along dude. Yeah, absolutely the first 384 the hardest Wow 384 they harder or less harder than the second Uh, you know what? Sometimes it's up to you Oh, that's beautiful Yeah, thanks. Thanks. I'm just uh Just a you even thought of putting your quotes in frames Just put them all around you and you dog ask you an old thing That all was just around the wall every every square inch of the wall is portraits in my own That feels like that feels like I don't even know what show I put that it is a joke But just a character with they talking to you and you say like oh What you just said was kind of interesting and then they just write it down and get a frame And then put it on their wall and you're like wow you Oh, dude, I I think you can push it even further. Maybe it's a film where it's like Oh, I'm a big fan of this writer. Oh, no, man. It's to get a date with them Wow, and then you go to their house and it's just pictures of them and frames of them and their quotes It's like, oh, that's That's cool Now I'm thinking like could we now refide it into like more of a serious thing with his quotes That they say like oh, who said this because it's not credited and then they just go a genius and you're like Yeah, and then later on you find out it's his own quotes or something And then then she wakes up One night because I keep dating and she finds out that he's tattooed a picture of himself onto her He's just insanely loves himself so much that he has to see himself and everybody I'm making it to a horror movie. It starts off kind of funny, but then he's like, oh, he's just unhinged He's like actually unhinged Yeah, it could be a it could be a bloom house thing. It's called like myself and I or something like that Me myself and I or maybe he sees himself everywhere and he just doesn't know it Like that's his pov and it's driving him insane because all he sees is himself Well, there you go. We got a few genres genres you can use Uh, that was out there with this incredible idea because I know it's incredible, but you know, me rags are free We're just not going to use it. So you go ahead go for it Put us in the credits say in memory of or Is something like that something like that love cratches for the good boy, you know Randomly just the high rags at the end of the credits Or even better at a random point in the film have one of the actors turn to the camera High rags turn back and just carry on with the scenes if nothing happened And no one knows why that happened in narrative, but we'll know We'll know or maybe it could be like a lick of easter egg one of the quotes on the wall This is high rags um The The leave piece of paper with a middle finger drawn on it where the globe was Oh, they left a piece of paper with a middle finger drawn on it with a globe was that's fucking wonderful Wow, that seems I wonder if there's enough information from that that they could determine who did it like a really good detective Yeah, it looks like so we're looking for an artist It's like signed he's like man They're really just Hmm, but what if it's a specific kind of paper made from luxury tree Luxure tree Luxure tree. Yeah I want my characters to kill in indirect ways like burning down someone's house with them in it. Zack Snyder logic Is it indirect when you fucking land your car on someone's face, I don't know Is it indirect when you shoot the pet like Throw to blow them up. Oh, yeah, it wasn't didn't didn't was it calling to try to argue that was indirect I think someone said it was indirect. Yeah like, okay I don't know at that point. I'm just like You know, we'll just agree to disagree. That's fine um Kit Kat or Maltesers Uh, I like Kit Kat more than Maltesers. I think I'm gonna go with Kit Kat. Yeah Put some Maltese It's like a little bowl thing and chocolate Maltese and um Maltese Give it give it the old google. Um, it's probably gonna do better than our explanation of it. Yeah Uh, oh Maltesers. Um, oh, they're kind of like, um What are those? They look like they're similar to Oh, what are they called? There's like an American equivalent of them. It looks like I forget. I forget what they're called. Oh whoppers whoppers um They oh, so basically if they're what Still oh, that's tough Because I I like Kit Kat's unless I'm with four or more people So a little joke I threw in there. I I got it. I figured it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So I think we might oh man. That's a tough one I think I might go with Kit Kat's But I might get more out of the Maltesers in terms of how long I could eat them You know kind of suck on them for a while and get to the stuff inside um I don't know. I I think Maltese is fine. I've never been a huge fan, but Kit Kat's I do like those Yeah, I think I like I think I'll go with Kit Kat's. I really do like Kit Kat's. They're great. Yeah Mm-hmm Because there's not a song for uh Like break me off a piece of that Malteser like you not really because it would be hard. It'd be like a coconut How do you like break off a piece of a Malteser? It's like a little tiny chocolate ball Cutting it off with a knife Yeah, you'd have to have a knife because you can't just like Get your fingers without a candle. That'll be really awkward Like if you're out in a public setting and you're just walking around with a knife in your hand Just in case you want to share some Maltesers Yeah, that's true. That's true Can't deny these elements when choosing So here's a question What do you think would win in a fight the incredible hulk or the incredible hulk's weight in bees? Uh, I feel like it's got to be hulk right because the bees can't penetrate us How do you not appreciate it? That's a great question Yeah, it's really funny, but uh, I already started before so I got my laughs in already Um, I feel like hulk's gonna win that because the bees can't penetrate Uh, and even if they could he'll make him angrier and stronger. So Well, I think that's the big thing that is a lot of bees a lots of bees, but he's gonna crush them all his hands And and then he does a sonic boom with his clap and it kills all yeah, that's right And if he's losing you'll just jump away and the bees won't be able to catch up Now he does like a ground pound and commits pesticide nice So yeah easy answered that in an instant not even hard bro Wow 384 subs. That's a lot of old phones on wi-fi I think they um, don't they like put real big effort now into like killing any accounts that aren't real. Sorry. Yeah It still makes me wonder about boogie, but I think boogie's thing is that a lot of people subscribe but nobody watches him Like he's just got a lot of people who subscribe to him from in the past who've never on sub Hey, is that man? I'm pretty sure we're in a youtube culture where people aren't using the sub box Anyone near as much they're using recommended Yeah, I I use my sub box for sure. I use them both I use them both. I often find that I see that someone I like is uploaded through recommended because I'm like Oh, fuck. I haven't tried my sub box in a while YouTube recommend. I mean you go to the recommend page before you go to the sub box Like recommenders the default page I don't I live life cooler than that for me and my default page is the sub box. Ah, I see Um, but I I watch a lot of youtube here and there and so I end up looking at that recommended and it's all sexy With its hey, look this person released this and I'm like, oh boy A floor for civil war I love the movie, by the way Iron man does very little when cap is beating his helmet off with the shield like blasting him off or evading When you get that tight in the fight Yeah, you all you need for so this is the thing as a writer Right, you can have everything happen at that point in terms of the little things and so When cap like initially strikes him with the shield I think that all you have to argue is that tony is fucking shocked as hell right now Yeah, and uh really screwed him up And if you remember when he's thrown he goes And his like neck hits the back of the stone And so I think we're supposed to take that as him being like staggered for a moment Yeah, um And so yeah, all you need to believe is that he's staggered for a moment And then he gets freaked out when he thinks the cap is about to kill him Which um Makes him, you know try to defend his face like it's it's happened so quickly that I think he's got plenty of space Yeah What was the thing we were covering? Lately where we had to talk about how people panic And so they make like there's so many decisions they can make what was this I can't remember what that was the context of People panic was it squid game? um trained to Busan Yeah, maybe I think it was trained to Busan Um because the guy we covered was saying stuff about people not doing things Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right the guy like why are you waiting there? It's like because he's shocked Yeah, like you have to appreciate this is the thing Maybe we need to do more of this because it seems like some people have taken the wrong message from us It's like human nature is fucking complicated. Um, yeah You get access to a lot of different results when a human is put into like crazy levels of stress yeah um And so yeah, like that fight with cap is Very well done in terms of trying to have it be believable that cap and bucky could defeat iron man Because that is a fucking hard thing to make happen Yep And it's a shame as well because um The kind of praise I have for the choreography in that fight I like I think when I first saw it I was just like it's so cool We're still nailing the fights in the mcu these days like I fucking am sad whenever a fight shows up Because I'm like here we go a bunch of bullshit's gonna happen. It won't make any sense at all Not to me like it's fucking the shit we're showing she defeating the dragon. It's just like okay What are we doing? I guess you can just do this. Yeah, this is just something you could do. It's like, okay Uh to quote southpaw. He liked the characters the power consistency was up there with into the spider verse found a central conflict of the story compelling and the antagonists were excellent barring the alpha deviant okay antagonist being um Icarus I guess Because if you're borrowing the deviant because he yeah, I don't know who else would be then the celestials But okay, okay. All right. No, whatever you say Rags wasn't on that stream. Hi rags. Me. No harm. I mean, no Wait, which one What were we referencing just now that you weren't on Rags has been on everything the last one rags wasn't on was the uh Snyder cut one wasn't it referencing Speaking of train to Busan. Thanks again for covering it best damn movie. I've seen in a few years. It's fucking great in it It's fucking engaging movie Oh, yeah um The one with channel advice. Oh, yeah. Well, I assume it might have been the rags wasn't it? That's that's fine. I was just joking Um, I'm honestly surprised took more so long to see train to Busan, but I glad you loved it I there's loads of stuff. I still haven't seen. I'm just not as bad as jay when it comes to this sort of thing Obviously Yes, there's a plenty I haven't seen Yes, I could there's still plenty of really great stuff. And that's the thing. I think I was saying to you friend It's just like it would be Both kind of creepy I guess but really awesome if a if an algorithm could be like I know out of all the movies that exist. You will love these 503 I'm like, oh I'd like that. They're right. But I just everyone I watch I fall fully in love with it. Like that'd be It'll make you question some stuff. I think at that point wouldn't it? Um, yeah, but I don't know. Yeah That's uh, that's a heady Yes, it is Um, and that's it gentlemen. We have caught up with today's super chats At nine and a half hours, which I think Is more than enough for us to say goodbye. Yeah, um What an e-fab feels like the we've probably that's the most different amount of subjects to cover all in one thing I feel like we covered years worth of things. So we'll see you guys in 2022. Yes, we will Thank you so much everybody for sending in the pictures of the plushies Like I said, I'll keep trying to collect those ones. Um, and thanks of course for the donations. You'll see us again probably Wednesday If nothing else is to interrupt such things Um, and then I guess I'll be around on real bbc slash open Bar and free still doing a streaming here and there Rags you doing any streaming of any kind anywhere? No, not streaming. I don't think so. No, well You'll still find rags on the old e-fappens Anything else you guys want to say before we head out? No, I'm hungry and I'm tired and I've said everything I need to say Very well. I'm here. What a fun time I'll wrap it up. Hey, you will be joining us. We shall see you next time. Good night, everybody Yeah We all scream for ice cream except we just start screaming obnoxiously loudly chasing and running Like zombies after the ice cream man. We could genuinely like Microphone you have to pitch it We're like we fake something like one of our rooms are burst into and then we'd like Don't get smashed. Oh my god Put down the guns like you just go like help me rags rags. Help rags set up rags the stream cuts out Okay, bye