 All right, so we're gonna call a meeting to order. It is 701. First thing on the agenda is agenda considerations, reserved for changes to the agenda items and order. Nothing's changed, very good. Comments and questions from the public, not related to the agenda. Everybody's happy. All right, right on. So now we're, yeah, initial discussion for plausible work plan items for calendar year 2024. We'll give you a minute to warm up. Okay, this on here. No butters and then there was a bunch of other stuff. So starting to put out some things that we've talked about late last year, some things that we've identified and then some things that we just didn't get to that are still on here. So anything in black or the pieces that are carried over, anything in red is something that's new. And of course, this is meant to just be an open discussion. That's how Rich wants to proceed where we can just sort of talk about ideas. Do you want me to start by just going through why I've added some of these? Yep. Okay. So of course, I'll start with the ones that were on there from last year. Form-based codes, especially just to help to bring Vladimir up to date. So the form-based codes, GD3 update, this has I think been on a back burner for since before I started here. But it is something we have identified as a priority. We had hoped to be able to get some grant funding to help us with some of the technical aspects of it, especially. So we have a form-based code in our seven corners district. Where we talk about what largely amounts just for building, citing architectural standards. So that when buildings are excited and designed, we sort of call it like architecture light. So there are some elements that go with it that talk about how you have to break up expanses of building walls, how you have to have a certain number of windows, how you have to face your buildings, how you have to have different horizontal and vertical pieces. So this has been in place, this actual code has been in place for more than 10 years, I think. Let's see, Brian. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think it's been more than 10. You don't think so? No. Maybe five to six. There are some pieces that people have identified as, it was great on paper, but it's not quite working out in practice, which happens with all codes. People on the development review board have had problems with sort of interpreting and enforcing people from the community who are building are saying this isn't really working out, what are you trying to give us to do here? And then just things that people in the community have noticed and says, did you really mean to limit that to three stories, for example? This is our growth center, why aren't we having four or five? So there is a significant amount of work here, both from a policy side of like, okay, let's talk about building night, to a technical side of, okay, if these bay requirements of how much your little bays have to stick out in the far part, they have to be artworking, what does work? So there's quite a bit of work to be done there. You identified that last year as a priority, so you'll have to let me know again this year, if you wanna leave it up there. It will take quite a bit of time, but we're ready to do what we can do on it if it stays as a priority. And we'll come back to sort of organizing, I'll just do an intro for us if that's okay? Yep. And then we'll come back to saying, hey, this is my top priority, if that, I think that would be helpful. Parking standards, I would say that parking standards is something that I am hoping to prioritize because I think it's not as big of a project as the form-based codes update, but I think it'll have just as big of an impact. Some of it's a little, some of it's big. But the big thing that we've identified in the DRB has also, I think, had some frustrations with. Some of it's small in language and in fix, but it's a big impact. So for example, we have something in there that says, so we have minimums and some maximums, right? So if you have a new building or an existing building, an existing business, and we have a prescription for you that says, you're supposed to have, I'm gonna make up a number, 15 parking spaces. So you need to have 15 parking spaces. We also have something in there that says, you can't have more than 10% above that. The goal is admirable. The goal is that you don't have a ton of extra parking. It's a ton of extra impervious surfaces creating stormwater issues. Problem is 10% of a small number is a small number. So when you have a business that's only supposed to have five parking spaces and they can't have more than 10% over, and they used to be a business that needed 12, they now have six parking spaces that they're not allowed to have. And they have to cover up or tear out. It's a lot of adjustment and expense that we just think is unnecessary. And I think that part of it is just a chat about fixing that, right-sizing those parking numbers a little bit more. Maybe taking a look at that 10% and whether or not it applies when we have a certain size parking lots. There's a lot of things we can bring you. And then also looking at the numbers to start with. I think not just in Rochester, but a lot of communities we over park. We don't necessarily let the markets and the business owners dictate how many parking spaces they're supposed to have. We say that a retail is a retail is a retail. We know that retail is not retail is not retail. We know that something like a Trader Joe's is gonna have a different parking demand than, say, a Walgreens. But they're all retail uses. And they're gonna require the same number of going to our standards. And they're probably gonna be a big number. And we start to talk about what are the economic impacts or all the impacts of environmental and economic impacts of having too much dead space. I call it dead space. So when you have unused parking areas, so of course you've got additional impervious surfaces. You have areas that maybe potentially could be filled with buildings that are taxed. They're now not. Parking spaces are not taxed. And you also have businesses that may have very empty parking lots that are actually succeeding and doing very well, but they look like they're not. Because you drive by and you're like, that's pretty empty. Maybe I'm not gonna stop at Mr. Mike's Pizza today because it doesn't look like anybody's there. But really it's just because they have a giant parking lot and they do have 10 customers. And they're doing quite well. You know, so those are some of the impacts of having just too much. And those are just a couple examples of some of the issues with parking standards. They have been in place for a very long time. I think they're on a date. And none of that even touches upon anything having to do with people using different sorts of transportation, et cetera, et cetera. Which is also a piece of the puzzle. I think it's right for looking at. I'll try to update the solutions right now. I just tell you, it's right for an examination. Signage. Signage is the number one thing we hear from businesses in town when they come to us. And sometimes it's just asking for stuff that we cannot deliver, especially when we're talking about the state bill board law and off premise sign law. But sometimes it is potentially stuff. I think that the signage regulations date back a long ways. I don't know how much of a priority they are, but they are critical to some people, so I thought I'd put them on here. I'll just say about that. E, the small business outreach updates to new procedures, change in tendency. Another complaint we get, especially from small businesses are when there is a change, especially in like, I don't know, like Sturt Mall, but a multi-tenant building. You have two, three, five different uses in a building when one goes out, when there's turnover, and turnover is frequent, that's just what happens. And the use is even subtly different. The process can take anywhere from one to six months to get permitted because of wastewater changes or having, whether you have to do a site plan and go to part of the DRV because, back to parking, you need 14, but you only have 12. So it is a complaint. I don't necessarily have solutions or even have fully identified the problems, but I'm hoping there's some potential there for looking at whether there's anything that can get streamlined so that if there is a very simple change, the mental office becomes a massage therapist, it's just a change in your sign, but it's not real. It's a little more complicated with that. And I think we wanna put businesses into empty spaces as quickly as we can. So that might be one way that we can help do that. From the DRB, this one's, well, there's two pieces. I don't know why I haven't moved it together. Recreational amenities and open space standards. So right now, when you hit a certain threshold for PUD, you're required to have a recreational amenity. I think they're feeling a little frustrated with the limited menu of what those recreational amenities are. So we're seeing anything from like, well, we put in a walking pass. So that's our, we're talking large developments. That's our amenity. And whether that's really sufficient or not. It's very open as to what that can be. So I think they're looking for maybe some help in identifying a little more specifically, maybe creating a bigger menu of what the options are, but being more specific about, all right, if you're gonna do a walking path, we're not just talking about a place where you mow twice a year. Maybe it's a place that you're actually putting down some hardpack and some benches and some bird identifying signs or something. That makes it more than just a mowing. So that's one of the things, so that ties in with open space standards of like, what is actually being expected? The other thing that I think is frustrating to quite a few of us is that a wetland area that you couldn't build in anyway serves as the open space for quite a few projects. And I don't know if that's the result that you need to have, it may be, but if it's not, I think there's an opportunity to fix it where you might say we want something more meaningful or something more planned. We want to see a top lock or a barbecue area or community garden space or whatever it is but we don't want to just see a wetland and nobody can go in anyway. So there's some opportunity there. Lakeshore District landscaping standards, this is actually a very small, I think, easy fix. Right now there's some standard that says something to the effect of you have to, if you were building within the Lakeshore District, you have to add a scattering of trees or something like that. There's some word that is very not helpful. So they're looking for language to replace that word. I don't want to say scattering, but it's not that, but it's that fact. So they're always like, what is a scattering tree? Is it one every three feet? Is it like, do they see them in clumped? I don't know. So that's something that they're looking for that I think is loving fruit but that they see a lot. Okay, moving on to new things that I'm throwing out for consideration. New legislation from this year may not be for consideration. You're probably not gonna have a choice. There are a lot of planning related bills being moved around right now. I don't know how many will stick. I was telling Sarita earlier this week that somehow I have volunteered myself to be on the Vermont Planners Association Legislative Committee. It was one of those like, hey, does anybody have information about this bill? It's like, great, you're on my committee. So I'm following them a little more closely than I ever have before, but there's a lot going on. And I have a feeling that no matter what happens, something's gonna stick. And it's gonna have to come back to you guys to put into the race. I don't know what yet, but there will be something. So we'll save some space and time for that after June, July. Food trucks, mobile food units. We talked about this a little bit ago. We don't have great regulations here and we don't distinguish very well between a food truck that sits in a place for six months and a food truck that kind of parts around the neighborhoods or maybe goes to a business for the day, every Tuesday. So I think that there's some improvements that we can do there that sort of draws distinction between them and has separate sets of rules that apply to them. And that makes clear, like, what a food truck is a food truck versus a truck that is permanently parked with a deck and a row list and never ever is gonna move again. Maybe not a food truck anymore at that point. So we have some, like, we've had our interns, our summer interns in our department that worked on that last year. I just haven't done anything with it. I had to look at all the language at some sort of towns around us and sort of collate that so we could kick it off this year, so we do have some research already done on that. Fireworks and cannabis regulation. That's what I think is actually gonna be kind of easy or at least quick, I guess I should say. We just wanna add some extra surety into our regulations. Both of these things, certain levels of fireworks as defined by the state and cannabis or retail are not allowed in Colchester, but I've spoken with our legal team about just ways to make it extra clear that when we talk about, like, a retail use, that does not mean that you can retail things that are not allowed. So I think that that's fairly lowing the fruit that I'd like to bring to you this year to just make sure that Colchester has a very famous case. I'm sure Pam's familiar with it, maybe some others related to fireworks. Pretty poor, here's a good one to talk about, right? Is it longer? Is it longer? I think you may know it in the Monster Supreme Court about fireworks, yes. And it settled a bit of the question in our favor, but it didn't really settle the big question. So there's still some more that I think we can do just to sort of add it to make it even more clear and protect ourselves even better. We started out looking at the fireworks side of it, but I would say cannabis is exactly the same in terms of things that Colchester has not opted in for those of you who are not familiar. You have to, a town has to opt in in order to sell cannabis. Colchester is not one of those. So you are not allowed to retail that in Colchester. You can do other things. And on that note, another piece of that will be to better define how those other things line up with existing use and so. For example, someone says, I'm not actually selling cannabis, but I'm making brownies that are cannabis-infused. It's actually perfectly legal. It's a different level license. And we are told by the state that we have to allow that as long as that use is already allowed. So we are then asked for the lining up. That use isn't sometimes easy. So like a bakery, we already have bakeries in town, just like manufacturing, for example. So just making clear that that would follow in that category. It gets a little trickier with some other things when you start talking about manufacturing, wholesale distribution, because we have a lot of little nuanced categories. So we would take some time to look at all those, best align them, bring them back to you and say, we think this would work our mind. The state, I don't know how much of it is legislation and how much of it is just the cannabis control board trying to provide more clarity, but there's been some interesting cases about growing and farming and what's exempt and what's not. Ducks. And ducks. And ducks, yes, y'all have read that. If you have it, find it. It's out of Essex. Did you read that one? What was that? So that's where this man is growing cannabis in his backyard with ducks, like the ducks kind of fertilize it and stuff and the neighbors are upset. And he has an outdoor grow permit from the state. Right. There's a lot of, there are levels of permits. So to town, find him. Out of compliance, isn't it? Yeah, on both issues, it sounds like from what I read, they've been told they don't have a case on the cannabis growing, but potentially they have a case on the ducks. Yeah. So just how to follow? You've got to find out how many ducks they have. I don't know. But it smells. And it smells. It sounds like the neighbors are smelling. So we might want to think about that. So I think that would be a solution for something. Yes. Is that one? How do we email you guys these things more often? Yes. So we're gonna look, I think I'd like to look at those things. I think that there's not necessarily a ton of work for you guys, it's gonna work on our end. Conservation subdivisions is something that you guys have talked about, seem intrigued by. That might go hand in hand with an open space plan. So maybe it's not right yet. The idea behind this just to remind you is that, particularly when we start seeing more development in our more rural areas, say you have a zoning district where you can build one unit for 110 acres. But you have two hundred acres, so you have 20 units. So that 200 acres gets those 20 units. Do you want those 20 units to consume on 200 acres? Or should those 20 units be clustered in some way so that you're not talking about miles and miles and driveways, roads, estuaries stations, et cetera. So that's what conservation subdivision looks at and lets you decide, maybe probably five of them, I'm trying to tell you if not. But it does allow you to talk about that and say, this is what we want, we don't want. Right now we don't have those regulations. So if you were to build 20 units and plop them anywhere that it makes sense from a wastewater project, so that's what that would do. It is kind of a bigger project. And you may want to first do the obvious place update so that you know where you might want to buy it. Maybe it makes more sense in areas where there are larger intact forest blocks, intact borders, and some areas. Lastly, building types. So we talked about this a little bit when we looked at the rezoning along East Lakeshore and you did adopt a triangle part of this where it's not just density that matters, but also building types. So this is, for example, let's just say you are a lot of density in a lot of six units. Do you want those six units to exist in a single building? Do you want those six units to only be in two types? What do you want? How do you want those to be divided? So building types and setting those up and assigning them by zoning district allows you to look at that. It also allows you, if you want, especially in larger developments, to require a mix of types so that you don't have all of the same type should you choose that as a priority. Maybe you don't like the idea of an area of a more dense area having nothing but 60 unit buildings. You want a little variety. Having building types allows you to better program that. You started to decide when to get out of East Lakeshore, but we didn't get it all around that. Small multi-family maybe is a type that we came up with. So there's an opportunity there to look at that more town-wide, more types, but if that's something that interests you, it would call that very open-ended right now. Any new ideas? Any what? Do you have any other ideas they'd like? Who wants to add to the list? Do you want to start with you, Henry? Yeah, well, we're just talking about ideas. I am. So I talked to Kathy about this yesterday just about the really looking at the commercial district and just looking at the possibility of changing it to a multi-use district with residential. Because there's a lot of empty buildings there that are just sitting there that could be housing. I mean, I think that's what Winooski is doing right up to the Cochester line there. And I'm just saying maybe just explore it. You know, I think if it was thoughtful, I think it's gonna be walkable with the double diamond. There's gonna be a lot of places where people can cross. And I just think it'd be just a nice kind of little space if we could put some residential down there or even use the empty buildings and put in housing down there. So that's, but I think we talked about when the town plan, when we're looking at the town plan, that would be a good time to kind of think about that. Saying down there, I was specifically talking that way. Texas 16. Yeah, so that's, I think it's owned right now, just commercial, but there's a reality building out there that's been empty, I don't know, three years. So, I just, it's a revenue source and it'd be nice to be getting some taxes from them. Didn't we have somebody in there asking for a bid and something like that? Well, you had a request from High Point Center. Right. For a specific lot, the direction you gave them about that, the town plan said, no rezoning in this area though. I don't think you got into whether it was a good idea or not, just that it wasn't the right time. So we can always look at it, master plans coming up. Yeah. Two years or less. Two years or less. Ideas, anything? I just, I mean, I like looking at recreational amenities and open spaces, again, being somewhat intentional about putting things in place so communities can kind of have a place to come together, whether it's picnic tables and barbecues or I'd love to see a really, really good playground up at Zevon's Quarters, places where people could cross the street there. Again, so people could, it's a design so people kind of are forced to cross paths with one another and get to know one another. I know in Sweden or Finland, they do a lot of that intentionally, that kind of outdoor design for people to just get to know one another. So I'd love to think about that as well. I don't know where to go. It's a good mix of big stuff and little stuff, which is nice, which we usually work at. I wouldn't mind us seeing dual form-based zoning, not so much jump into it because it's complicated, but it would be nice to have an overview to look at as simple as we can do. Can you get this? What we have, the new buildings that are going up right now and what we envision for that. And then, because nobody here has even heard of anything that was supposed to happen or what's supposed to look like, that would be nice to have at least some time slotted in for that. The new corner, you mean? Yep. Yeah. I assume, stop led. I don't know if he wants to. Let him know we're talking about that, for sure. If they want to have an idea on what they think, where they're going, even if we don't do anything, at least we have an idea, it's the thought process going. You have to start somewhere before we dive full on to it. It's kind of a, form-based is a very, you got to think about it kind of deal, you know? All the consequences? Yeah, exactly. What did you say? All the consequences that come from it. Oh, okay. Yeah. So they're just barely starting on it and they started right in the middle, you know, with a new one, so. Oh, in the Southeast quadrant? Yeah, Southeast. Three buildings? Yeah. I mean, if there's thoughts on all Simon's end and he wants to discuss something, you know? But as long as they understand, we're just getting a feel for what we started. But they see us. You know, at least from the Ireland side, they were very specific, like garage setbacks. Yeah. So we do have a list. We just have to get to it. Yeah. Do you think we could, I mean, this is just my thought, but the mobile food units and food trucks, it'd be nice if we could, yeah, I don't know the timing on it, how long things, but it's generally would be nice to kind of figure that out by summer, you know, so we could take advantage of. I agree. I told Kathy we're, I don't think we have one in town, so something's wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the most popular thing anywhere you go. Yeah. Some of the towns actually advertise, we have this little food truck. Essex. And we're 25 miles and we don't have a single food truck. Especially by that base site. Right. It's such a perfect place to have food and be able to go to the beach and stuff. Yeah. So. What owns that property? I mean, the thought that comes to people having the truck on their property. Yeah. So. That's a rental property. Where the truck, food truck goes, that's a rental property. That's not owner occupied. The one where the trucks used to be. Yeah. Owned by somebody who did not own the food truck. Right. But yeah, I agree. Be nice to look at that too. It's not that a food truck's not allowed there just to be clear. No. That site hasn't allowed a lot of the spiritual food truck as a means to move to. Mm-hmm. It's not like today. Especially it's sensitive about those waste water issues. But nobody who is willing to move their food truck. Everybody has, yeah, found that space. All right. In a couple of years, the sewer pipe goes through that might change. It might be more of a diner style idea. Yep. Even it's seasonal. And they're not too bad. Huh? They're not too bad. Not too bad? No. I like the signage thing too. The new signs for the schools. You know, there's new signs. They look really nice. And, you know, a couple of business people have spoken to me about just fixing up signs or some signs of missing letters or haven't been painted in a while. They were just wondering what the town was, when the town was gonna do that kind of maintenance. No, just signs. Just signs around town. Parker's standard is pretty easy to take care of. We used to look at. Small businesses, anything we can do there, always. DRB, I don't think that's too complicated, maybe. The landscaping, I love that. I love thinking about that. And I don't have any ideas about that. I'd love to have a conversation or have someone come in and present possibilities. Question I have for you guys. Just as we're setting these up, you know, our last, who of the last three amendments have been really long. Do you think you'll find it easier to take them in smaller batches and do two smaller sets of amendments or keep going all the way to letter R again? I feel like Rebecca's good at this. Oh, no, I have to because it started out being a small amendment, a quick small amendment. It kind of grew. I mean, as we keep it simple. Yeah. It feels like that's what happened. We'll get started with some bigger things and like, oh, we just found this one little thing in here about like this, can we add it in? And they do tend to be small things. We tend to wipe 10 of them. And the big question is the legislation. What's gonna happen out of that? I mean, that could kill us right there. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff moving around. A lot. There's a lot of stuff. Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff. There's always a lot of stuff moving around and then one or two bills finally make it out or finally get passed. So I don't kind of like latch on to any, I keep an eye on things, but I don't get all like upset like I used to about bills like this bill, because it never even... I'm trying not to. I was reading the one that said that you must limit parking spaces to no more than eight by 60. And that one I find especially interesting because it's part of the bill that the governor endorsed. His truck is longer than 60. That's so funny. It's a little bit of irony there. So we'll follow those. I don't think that's actually a mistake. Yeah. I don't think they're gonna tell you to have a little bit of parking spaces. I think Act 250, there'll be some changes in Act 250. Thankfully that one. I'd say we tackle the easy ones and then put a priority list on the rest of them. Yeah, I agree. Start slow. Build ourselves up. Definitely would be signage parking spaces, standards, food trucks, fireworks. Landscaping. Landscaping. And signage. And yeah, small business. We'll start writing. I found it really helpful too when you brought photos. When you showed us photos, that was really helpful to kind of rule in and out. But I think it's really important to get a sense of the character of Colchester because that I think is important to say. Try to kind of just again be intentional about that and not losing that. I got it. And this isn't a fixed list. It's not like you guys can't have anything that's possible with that. And all the slow time we have in our office let's just sit down and wait. Is there anything else permitted besides what's building right now in Ireland? The new one? Sorry? Besides that new building, have they permitted anything else? There's supposed to be three identical like that one. Over there? I don't think there's anything that's permitted. But they've only had the three, there hasn't been a fourth, right? No. No. Okay. Beginning then for permitting. Beginning when they started permitting, if they wanted to do the fourth building, they started next month and said, you know what we want? Building number four. How long for the permitting, you think? Do you have an idea? That's the thing I was like, so they did a master plan with the subdivision master plan of where all the lots are and then they have to come back to the DRV to get the site plan approved for each lot. All right. And don't recall, I could look into it, but I don't think they have any site plans approved for any additional buildings. So I don't think they're construction ready after this one. They did the site plan for them, the ones that are construction and the ones that's built at the same time because they were twin buildings. Yeah. And so they pulled the permits for them when they were ready. But I don't, they couldn't just pull a permit I think for anything right now. They just took a lab and do a site plan for a lot itself. So how long? Three months? Maybe? Less? More? Construction? Yeah. To the day they can be approved, to the day they're approved, not break ground, to the day they can be approved. Probably. Three months. Probably. About the same as doing a supplement. Yeah. A little less. A little less, yeah. We schedule, somebody came in today and he probably made a little agenda. Mm-hmm. He's scheduled about six weeks out. Right. Four or six weeks out. Okay. About 30, 15 days after that before you can actually get a permit and have a break some break. Okay. But I haven't heard, I haven't heard. But that's the, those things tend to surprise me. Yeah. Long periods of eight and all of a sudden the building. There are still some little blocks on the southwest part. Seems to forget about that one over there, but there are some little blocks there. Yeah, everything where the pine trees are. Lots of them. In the front, yeah, there's some towards the front. Right. And I think that there is at least one at the rear, kind of far back corner, past the playground, past the back there. So if we look at the amenities that the DRB's talking about, recreational, would we affect seven squatters? Should, right? You can. Right. How do you apply this up to you? But I think that that's the impetus for some of the discussion. I think that some of the frustration is that at least in those, you know, first two squatters, the amenities are light. Yeah. When they could be less late. Oh, they're growing. I think there's two new dog parks that they're in over here. I was wondering what they're seeing. I don't know if that currently counts. Dog park? It's a nice option. It's a very popular option. Yeah. Especially in Tampa, you know. Mm-hmm. I like it. Yeah. Especially in multi-family, people would want a place to walk around. And get, it's a really nice place for people to meet, especially if they live in the same community. Yeah. Yeah, accidental meeting again. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's clear. Yeah. Fits right in. I do. Me too. Yeah. Any more on it? No? So let you work on some smaller pieces. Again, form-based zoning thing. Think about that. Maybe it's the end of summer. Sometime in there. That won't be done with whatever we're doing here, but we'll definitely look at it this year. Well, I think that what you've talked about for a while is, if you're going to break into it, you're going to really break into the full name to maybe walk that back and say, well, we'll take a few pieces. I think we should have a discussion before we even make sure that is something everybody be on board to take on. On how deep we're going to go into it. Yeah, exactly. Know where we're at, what we're thinking of, where our ideas would be. All right, move on. All right, we've got information items. Whoops, did I skip over here? No, information items and staff updates. What I'm here is the January planning zoning report, which we try to put on every month, but because I put in my staff notes for you guys, this one's a little bit worthy because there's a good size bump in the commercial activity. Anybody who actually follows these along and reads them month to month? Yeah. We don't see a lot of change in the commercial activity. In fact, I think the only change we've seen in a while is the rec center that coded as a commercial building, but there is a tire warehouse being constructed, or this wasn't the tire warehouse. This was the storage units in here, the tire warehouse. Yeah, the storage. So I was just wondering when, like I noticed that there was some permits that were, they ended like in 2022. Just wondering like what happens then? There was one on North Harbor tax map, map 16, parcel 191, 191, 121 and 145, and then the boat slips. The one's going from 31 to 166. Parking and boat storage that had also expired. Do they just have to renew it? Or does it just? Like looking them up. This list tends to just grow. I don't, it doesn't always get cleaned up. So sometimes there's stuff on here that's just been on for a while. It was number 11, I think, maybe North Harbor. But this one? Mm-hmm. So I'd have to look it up. But yes, generally speaking, once a permit expires, this is a, I assume it's a site plan. Site plans expire. If you don't request a continuance, then they're null and void. Okay, that's what I was wondering. Yeah, okay. You can't request a continuance because you have to do it before it expires. Gotcha. And that continuance is only for call counts. Okay. This is a little Nickland dime thing, but you have numbers. Oh, nevermind, I got it. I figured it out. You good? Did you? I got it. I don't. You're gonna go all the way down? Yeah, yeah, I did the same thing. Yeah, it's the same list. You have to go all the way down and get into the numbers. These are auto-generated reports. I do try to go in manually when we can. This one was issued. We try to do them on the first of the month. It's also when I was sending these reports. You got it pretty raw. I really like looking at them. You know, I just like looking at the activity and kind of who's building. And it's just, I really like that report. All set? All set on that one? Yeah, we're all set. So now we're into the minutes. Oh, not minutes. I'm sorry, planning commission meeting scheduled. Next week, I would like to be on the agenda for the sec board to deliver a supplement 46 and hopefully to warn a public hearing for a later date. I remember my email, I know Rich is coming. Yeah, so I can come and you're coming. I said I would go, but I just want you to come back there. That's all we do is say that. So that's February 13th. The agenda will be ready by Friday, so you'll have better idea of time. So take a look there. I'll send it around too. I'll make sure you get a copy of it. You at the last meeting said that because March 5th is town meeting day, you don't want to have a meeting. So I just wanted to confirm with you that that's still your intention. Okay. March 12th is, if all goes well next week, it would be the likely so forth on the hearing. I know Rich cannot attend that meeting, but I think that we'd have some coverage. I would say to hold one of the March meetings in case the select board has anything in that supplement that they remand to you. Remember that they cannot adjust things in the report. They have to send it back to you to adjust. So if there's something they don't like, they can strike things and warn a hearing for the things minus what they struck. But if they, for example, say, we want you to work on this element, you're close, but not quite there, or we want you to change this number to this number. So if there's anything like that, you might want to hold the date just so you're not waiting until April to look at that. But I'll let you guys know. Are you saying that we should hold March 5th open if we have to meet then? It's March 5th, or if you really want to hold tell meeting day security, it could be the second, so that would be the 19th. 19th, okay. Yeah. So we wouldn't have a meeting unless necessary in case anything is remanded to you. So definitely a meeting on the 12th and possibly a meeting on the 19th. Yeah, and it wouldn't be your meeting, it would just be attending the SWAT boards meeting. The 19th or the 12th, okay, yep. 19th would be only if SWAT board needs us to come back. Okay, gotcha. We can discuss scheduling via email, that's perfectly allowed, there will be more, so if you need for it. And then that brings us to April, and then just I started to think ahead about plans, so we can either discuss the work plan or we can do that, so maybe we can talk about actual items. It's a good time to do our flood plain CRS check-in. So you act as the public information committee, we have to do that once a year, so it makes sense during the flood season. To do that, and related to that, Karen Adams has offered to talk to you about some of the top thermal projects and how they relate to the insert flood data and managing that department's doing a lot of work or ability to do it. We are required to have a CFM, speak with you if Karen is a CFM, sort of like something a manager. So we'll be able to check a couple of minutes there. Perfect. So that'll be the plan for the week. Perfect, sounds good. Thank you. All right, let's go. So now we need a motion to approve minutes of January 16th. I'll make that motion to approve the minutes. Second. I'll second it. Okay, all in favor, aye. And it's passed. Anything else tonight? Everybody's good? All good. Motion to adjourn. Make a motion to adjourn meeting. Second. Sounds like a pass. All in favor, aye. Motion passes, meeting adjourned. 755. Yeah. Yep, yeah, sign away. I'll take a pen if I can.