 Hi, this is your Saptim Bhartiya and we are here at open-source summit in Vancouver today We have with us once again and once again we have with us what did you come and see you are Executive director of the Continence Library Foundation, but it's great to have you back on the show in person, right? Yes, we saw each the like as you're reminding me very very early days of spinnaker After that cobit happened and we have been talking remotely, but it's great to see you again in person Which brings me to the point of last time we talked about when the CDN foundation was like announced But now I want to talk a bit about You know, there's still not the foundation today, but you folks have achieved some milestones where we are Thanks for having me Saptim and as you mentioned, it's great to see you again after six seven years in person as you noted the last time when we met over Zoom and discussed What is CD foundation and what are our goals and what is our vision? It was early days for me as well within the foundation I joined June 2020 to CD foundation as the executive director and since then we have been working on Identifying key use case of our end users the challenges they are facing and how we can help address those challenges to help our end users and make them part of our community and Just to recap contents their foundation is an open source commit to provide neutral forum for anyone who wants to contribute in content delivery domain and we provide home to Contents every projects and we have nine projects CD events Jenkins Jenkins X or tell you Stecton Perseus shipwrights pinnaker I think that's all and The great thing about contents their foundation, which is late to what we have been working on Achieving is our community has lots of practitioners From and user organizations from big club providers And we are all working together to find out how we can make our lives easier when it comes to establishing and in continuously pipelines and Running with the transformation efforts in our organizations as well as we are looking to different technologies to see how they can help organizations to you know bring new features bug fixes security fixes to their Products in much faster manner. So that is literally the vision of contents their foundation and personally I think the contents their foundation is the place where anyone wants to Take part in evolving the contents their ecosystem because we are working with very cool stuff that will transform the Ecosystem and will have greater impacts on broader industry Can you talk about the rule and important of continuous delivery in today's modern, you know Cloud-centric, you know, where we are, you know, things are moving very fast. Yeah, if we go back maybe 10 years ago when this all virtualization F4 started everyone was like, okay, this will make our you know Life's much better when it comes to bringing new products to market faster and so and then cloud native transformation style and the virtualization cloud native Microservices the cloud itself Made out of things possible like we can simply use a cloud provider You get, you know, your development environment setup in minutes. You develop your microservice You get that microservice, you know, build into a containment You get that containment test and deploy it to your production environment and that is a great thing for organizations to again go to market faster bring cool features new products to their users faster and Gain competitive advantage when it comes to, you know, being first with certain things But that also brings additional challenges because again, if we think about the, you know, traditional way of doing stuff, it's, you know very tightly integrated, you know software and hardware and open source wasn't this big Things were slow But kind of manageable, but now cloud is bringing additional complexity as well because developers need to Learn out of new technologies. They need to, you know, spend time on different activities that weren't traditionally part of their job description So that increases, you know cognitive load on Our developers and then we need to make sure that our developers could focus on value-adding activities And continuous delivery is one of the key pieces in this, you know picture like all this platform engineering SRE and SRE and all those things they are actually there to address these Complexities and difficulties our developers may be facing day-in day-out. And again, continuous delivery is An enabler for organizations to actually remove that complexity So their developers again could continue what they are doing creating new products, developing new features And complexity is not just, you know, consumes more time for developers It's also cost and last week when AWS, you know, Prime, they talked about, you know, microservices and So it had nothing to do with microservices It's more about using the right tools, right technologies and also to simplify the complexity because sometimes I think we had this question with you earlier also New companies they get overwhelmed with new technologies instead of looking at what we need They're like, hey, this is what we should use So talk once again a bit about where you see the right approach, right tools It's not just because something is shiny and new, you should embrace it Exactly, like I am a software engineer and I will continue to take a technical engineering look at these things And when we meet with other, you know, fellow friends from community We start talking about high-level topics and all after a while we find ourselves talking about certain tools And everyone has their own, you know, favorite tool and so on When it comes to continuous delegation delivery, observer testing and so on And the thing I try to, you know, share with my fellow friends is like Instead of us, you know, looking at what is the coolest and let's bring it to our organization We should look at what can help us to, you know, move us forward faster, better Tools shouldn't dictate what we can achieve We should find the right tools and use them If a tool doesn't help us, it could become an issue You know, you have one more thing to look after And that is pretty key thing and that is actually related to our state of the city report We published this week on Monday and one of the interesting findings there is The organizations who are using modern tools and techniques for their DOFs activities Show greater improvement when it comes to performance But the key thing there is not just any tool The tool that actually helps you demoing manual work You might be doing in the past and automating that using that modern technology So you can spend that time you were spending in the past for manually handling Tasks for some other creative work, for example So yes, tools, technologies are important But we need to be careful when it comes to making those selections And bringing them to our organizations And then we look at the trends in the market, of course You know, vendors, you know, when they come And also, actually, this is the beauty of open source actually That as folks create new tools, you know Hey, there's a new tool platform that you can bring But at the same time, it should also be The focus is also that, hey, this is what the tools do And bring all the people together So can you also talk about the rule of these kind of events Where, you know, when you also bring the whole community together So they can see, hey, I am solving this problem like this Yeah, I think, like, again, I can give the contents of their foundation as an example As I mentioned, we have nine projects and they are all great projects And events like open source summit or R event We had Monday and Tuesday this week, CDKOL and GitOpsCon These are great opportunities for our community members Because I might be doing something at home And I identify a problem, I'm writing something Which may become a cool thing But at the same time, someone might have already done something about it Instead of me going with my own thing I could find about that work as part of such open source events And say, oh, this looks really cool And that actually solves my problem Instead of me creating my own thing, I should contribute to the existing efforts So, like, the collective efforts of open source is greater than, you know, individual efforts So that is pretty key, you know, think about these events and broader open source moment, like, if we come together And when we come together, we really become powerful You know, force transforming people's lives and impacting their lives in a positive manner Because all these technologies in the end, we use them during our lives on a daily basis I would like to get some update on the foundation Any announcement that you folks made Which also shows, you know, where the foundation is heading Yes, this is actually building on top of our conversation we had last year in August Like, when we talked that time, we touched different topics on a high level For example, software supply chain security, you know Over-aired or to executive orders European, you know, issuing, you know, regulations, rules around these things So software supply chain is one of the hot topics we can come to their foundation as well So when you think about software supply chain It's like, okay, it's a huge thing You take open source technologies, you bring them to your organization You use them as dependencies and then you build your products And then you ship to your customer But something that is the backbone of that software supply chain And that is the continuous data pipelines And that is why the continuous data foundation and our projects And our specialist groups are putting out of effort to Improving the state of software supply chain And contributing to overall efforts to improve the state of software supply chain And one of the announcements we made this week is about one of our projects, Tecton Which actually brought in four new features for their users For example, Salsa Like, if you use Tecton, you will get Salsa level 2 support out of the box Or trusted resources and artifact hub and so on So these things all help organizations to secure their supply chain Using such technologies and brings multiple open source projects together Which is related to the question you asked earlier All these communities projects coming together Without thinking like which project, which foundation We are here to solve this problem So that is a key effort our project and community put into And that is one of the things we announced The second and perhaps pretty critical Of which is related to security as well is interoperability This is one of the key things we hear a lot from our end users Again, if you think about typical contemporary pipeline When a developer commits the code to main branch It goes through this long pipeline until it hits production as an artifact as a product And that code interacts with many systems Such as code repositories, build tools, artifact repositories, test frameworks And all these things are orchestrated by continuous delivery frameworks And currently there is no common vocabulary within the ecosystem Which means that whoever is using all these different tools Which could be an open source or commercial tool Then they need to put out of effort and time to integrate these tools with each other Which is time consuming, costly and most of the times Is to break because open source communities move fast And that is the other announcements we made One of our projects, for example, CD events has been working with multiple open source projects Such as Jenkins, Pinnaker, Tecton and TestCube To get those technologies to talk using the same language So those projects could speak the same language out of the box Which further enables securing the software splash Because then you can create this graph to find out Which commit caused that security issue And go back and fix that problem Thanks to this common vocabulary So that is the second announcement we made And the last announcement was about a new project So we have an Ortelius project within CD Foundation Which is a microservices framework with supply chain capabilities built in That contributed project emporers to Ortelius as a sub-project So they will join force, which is again related to the question you asked Like instead of having two separate projects working on relevant areas They instead come together and give the best possible experience to their users So these are three project-specific announcements we made on Monday During the first day of our CDCon and KITOPSCON event And again, the question you asked Where do we see the CD Foundation? I think we are currently on a really off-world trajectory And our comment is showing a lot of passion Putting a lot of effort into solving these very difficult problems Because these are really hard questions And we are trying to find answers to those questions And thanks to our members, our end-user contributors We are actually moving forward together So that is a project Like seeing these types of efforts come to fruition And get interest from other organizations, other contributors Other projects make us really happy Because then we think, oh, what I am doing today here Will be used by someone in a different part of the world Making their lives easier So I am really proud of our community's achievements Thanks for talking about the project I also want to talk a bit about the state of CD report That came out during this event Talk about some of the key findings Or highlight that where you saw it This is either exciting or this is that I was not expecting Yeah, so in addition to project updates We also announced the fourth release of the state of CD report State of CD report is a tradition of Contest and Foundation And we released the new iteration of state of CD report During CDCON, our flagship event And the fourth one was released on Monday And it is similar to previous reports But there are differences compared to last year One of the key findings within the report Is it shows that the DevOps adoption is increasing Which is good But at the same time, the adoption might be slowed down Because in previous years, the increase was larger than this year's increase I think this year it was 2% more than last year And that brings up questions like why? Why the speed slowed down? Some of the reasons could be Again, DevOps is not just about using the technologies Or creating pipelines or making sure that DevOps teams come together It actually impacts many parts of the organization The organizational structure needs to be adjusted The cultural aspects should be explained to organizations So they can embrace this change In addition to that product structure May need to be adjusted to support the speed And you know, sustainably that comes with DevOps So that may be these three or four things May be reasons why the DevOps adoption is not that fast Compared to how it was previous years And the other interesting finding is that Again, this goes back to technologies If the organizations employ right tool or technology for their DevOps activities Which could be test frameworks, built automation tools, observability Application performance management That helps organizations to become better performance So that is again, it was same last year And it is still great to see people are actually automating things Rather than doing things in a manual manner Which is again, very difficult to maintain and transform A new finding in this year's support Which wasn't there last year is Application security testing is actually Second most popular activity by the organizations And that also highlights that If organizations automate application security testing And make those things part of their pipelines That actually improves their performance as well So that is a key finding of this year's support And obviously there are things we need to improve Otherwise we just quit our jobs So one of the things we found While we looked at responses we got from thousands of people Increase in number of DevOps technologies Help organizations to become better But increase in number of hosted CICD tools Doesn't show that greater performance improvement Like when an organization uses four or five CICD tools That actually has a weird curve Sometimes it impacts the performance negatively And the way we look at that data is Maybe lack of this interoperability Across these different technologies Is a contributing factor Why the performance is not showing improvement So that is kind of confirms Like why we have been putting a lot of effort into this And hopefully, since CDIven's adoption started right now With Jenkins, Pinnaker, Tecton and Tescu Leading the way next year or the year after next We should see some improvements there as well Because then organizations will not need to deal with Increased complexity of the pipeline systems as well Because products are already causing difficulties Maybe to some developers And we need to remove this complexity From the supporting infrastructure Contributory pipelines and so on Perhaps with that platform engineering kind of approaches Fati, thank you so much for taking time out there And give us an update on the foundation adoption And the growth of the project and also the report And I would love to chat with you again So thank you Thank you very much