 Welcome to Toffy TV, it's the footy show daily. We are discussing all the breaking news. Sometimes we can't even keep up with the breaking news. It just breaks so quickly. I mean that really is what breaking news is. I know, that's what I'm saying. It just breaks after we've done a show and it's not what we can do about that. That's the way it is, isn't it? It's not what we can do about that. I'm not live, so I'm going to go with it. Well, there was a fella on the telly, the fella apparently is in charge. And he said a load of words. And I think if you were to put them together in maybe a different order, they would make some sense. That was done in terms of football. Football can't come back till the first of June. I sort of knew that. You're a professional sport. I'm a professional sport as a whole, but they're trying to get life back to normal, slowly. And it looks like that sport, football, Premier League football, might be just the easiest way back in now because, let's be honest, it's basically a free hit, isn't it now, by the looks of it? Well, we said last week that granted we thought the officials announcement would have a little bit more clarity than what it did. But we said last week that we thought they'd wait until the government announcements and then it'd give them that free run to June 12, which is the date that has been bouncing around for quite some time now. And that's what happened, you know, obviously they cancelled the meeting last Friday because it was V-day and Bank Holiday and stuff and moved it to today. And not much has come out at the moment. But the way to do something like that is to wait until there's an official announcement and then you can slip it in and go, well, you know, government have said to you, like, they're trying to June 1. So, therefore, we're not planning to come back to June 12, so there's a full 11 days after we're allowed to. So, no surprises there, really. There's obviously been some noise over the weekend, Brighton, third person, they have three people have tested positive, haven't they? All apparently asymptomatic. And I've seen there's a few teams because obviously there's a lot of countries now who looked as though they were going to abandon the season. And now seem to be playing again, or thinking of playing again, notably Italy and Spain. I mean, we've had cases in both of those countries. Three in the top two divisions in Spain, although apparently they're all in the final stages of the virus, they're all fine, but they've got a quarantine and stuff. We've had the stuff over the weekend with Dynamo Dresden, which, so their team's gone into two weeks' quarantine, which obviously they've got no game now next weekend. And I guess if you're their opponent, you think, well, we've got another week to prepare, so to speak. So it is all going on and obviously England is falling in line. What we said last week, I mean, there was going to be a road map to it, Germany was that road map. And nothing I've read and heard since has made me change your mind? No. Saturday would be quite interesting with the Bundesliga. Interesting for my lot of different points of views. I mean, I watched the K League on Friday, Friday morning. Why wouldn't you? The Korean game was on BBC One Friday morning. One-nil win for a team of campers announced, but it was a good idea ten minutes ago. It was a bit weird, but you know what? It was really strange. I think they either had a collection of people in the stadium and they scored or they had some noise. But after about ten minutes, because you're expecting it, the empty stadium, it's weird. Your brain just alters slightly, so it kind of just became a game of football. Rather than when I watched the PSG Dortmund game eight weeks ago, it was a big thing. I think that was because you could flick over and there were 60,000 at Ranges or whatever it was. But it felt weird. But this, because you kind of ready for it, you could still hear some players shouting and that's never good. But what was really weird about it was the players, they were all running around and battling and tackling and all that and the referee and everything. Went to the touchline, the two managers had mass on but they were pulled down. But now they're the technical staff. A couple of them had mass and the others didn't, so it was all very confusing. But when they scored, they gave it the all and the all thingy. But that made me think that our minds will probably adjust very quickly once it's back to watching games with no fans. I still think they should have some kind of sound effect in there. No people cringed. I really think it helped. I went to the UFC and that was very, very strange, the whole setup of it. Was it? Yeah, it was very strange. I guess that would be though because it's a small of thing. Yeah, you can hear everything. And you can hear the punch. You can hear all the stuff. All the hits and everything. That's a big difference isn't it? But the same with the coaches, when they go in for the rings, they'd have masks and then halfway down because they've got a talk. Funny enough, this will be funny on when the Bundesliga start is how the likes of BT here, I know they're normally in the studio. Be interested in how they do things and how the commentators, because I know in the UFC, the commentators were on different desks from each other. At the beginning, they were all standing next to each other and one of the guys was like, why are we standing next to each other? How come we're allowed to stand next to each other? He said this live on TV. Why are we allowed to stand next to each other? But we've got to sit away from each other when we're doing the commentary. So that'll all be very interesting. But in terms of the game itself, we're presenting we could do something like this couldn't we? Yeah, we've seen other things like the oneshow in the UK, where they're sitting away from and things like that. You'd be able to do that. But it'd just be interesting to see how they put it on. Where did they bring guests in from home, I don't know. Skype lovely. But in terms of the game itself, it does seem like, certainly the Premier League, there are little factions. We've here for weeks, we're all in it together, they all want to get a finish and blah blah. But you're seeing now, as that day gets closer, and I know next week they've got to basically say, what's happening? As that day gets closer, we're finding that there's like little packs in the Premier League now. Apparently there's eight teams who want the relegation abolished because of this neutral ground situation. Eight teams is enough. Do you need 14 to pass it? So eight teams is enough to mess this whole thing up. So it's going to be very interesting how the Premier League saw this all out. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how. I get it, I understand the argument. I've seen the Wofford chairman put a statement out on Saturday with the biggest indicate. I've seen people on Twitter going, no way footage coming back. At the same time, the Wofford chairman basically come out and said, it's coming back. I was like, hmm, you might want to listen to one of the people who was on the table. But he was talking about obviously the effects when they beat Liverpool. He was like, no way should Wofford do a bottom delay or second bottom beat the team. They hadn't lost the game all season and we beat them 3-0 because we were at home and we had the crowd. I mean, what he was kind of missing was if he played them probably 10 times, Liverpool would win nine of them, that was just the day they beat them on. The Liverpool had beaten 10 in an empty stadium. That's what I'm trying to say, so in an empty stadium they'd have probably beaten them anyway. But he did make some good points. He was more talking about the neutral's grand situation, not the crowd. Everything everyone accepts, there can be no crowd. We've all accepted it, we know, we know. And from the sounds of it, there's not going to be any crowds till possibly January. Don't want to be? To be honest mate, I will be. I remember, I've said this about five times. I remember Roger, one of our people, he told us he won't be in the ground till 2021. I was like, no, I will. But the more I think of it, I'm unsure whether there'll be anyone in stadiums for the next season. I think that whole season behind closed door thing might actually happen because everything will just be getting pushed back, won't it? And so you're saying to January, that's around a time when lots of flues are around and all, that's why you're going to want to take that chance, then you might say, well, let's move it to February and see. And then you get into a situation where why are you going to put crowd back in for the last ten games of the season? Do you know what I mean when the rest have been playing? Because you'll get people moaning about that then. Well, I'm gone when you come to our ground. I mean, I don't have any crowd, but we've got to go to your ground and it's fully off. So you might have all of that going on as well. Because we're already seeing that in the Premier League as well. I think the alternative to that is if people are all out backing pubs and they're not all out backing grounds and there isn't a, and we haven't got it sorted out, then there might be more problems with people being in pubs. I know you're not going to have thousands of people within pubs, but I suppose you just want to get life back to normal. Of course you do. If there's something out there that sorts this out, if there's a vaccine out there that sorts it all out, then they'll just be like, I'm sure they'll be welcoming to have football. Football teams will want fans. I can't see this. I honestly personally don't see football clubs worrying about the benefit, the disadvantage of having or not having fans in the ground. I think as soon as fans can go in grounds, I think every team will want them. That's from bottom up rather than top down, because you think about all those leagues. They're the ones who are really going to suffer. They're the ones that aren't having games like televised. We're going to have to come up with some kind of package throughout the leagues and maybe off the government as well. That kind of gives those people their income while fans aren't. They're going to have to keep these clubs going. I worry about the other side of the game. If you were a league one or a league two fan and you go regularly, you're going to want to watch your team every single week, play live. What a massive disadvantage that is to you if you can't even watch it. Sky don't film every game. The problem is that it's the feed, the strain. Imagine the strain on the telecommunications if you're trying to push that out. That's really hard. The only alternative would be, and again this would be at a local level, was maybe let the teams put videos out on YouTube or something, but again that's a strain on the telecommunications. But I know that if they said to us, the only games that are going to be on are the games that Sky put out. That would be made, wouldn't it? What happens then? I know, listen, listen, we all know. Daniel caused problems. You've just said the games are going to be streamed anyway. But I find that to be really bad on those. What those clubs could do is maybe say, league one, league two, is think about a Sunderland, something like a Sunderland. That could be 40,000 people in every week. They could maybe say, listen, we're going to put it on YouTube, but it's not on the free YouTube, it's on that pay YouTube. You pay for it. I don't know, I don't know. But we'd all do that. The problem is, it's who's right to sell. Do you know what I mean? No, and that's where the teams are going to have to come together and work all that out because there's no way anybody is going to... Sky, who currently have the championship and league one and league two, they're not going to show every game. And I'm sure they would allow their games to be shown privately. Well, they're the ones you really fear for going into it, but everything is moving towards obviously the restart, whether, again, we've said that a million times, or whether people like it or not. And it's a case of being able to get on with it, but the biggest challenge for the Premier League this week will be ironing out all of those things where people go, no relegation, we want that. See, I pay it from a personal perspective. I don't see how you can not have relegation but you can give Liverpool the league. And that's not me saying Liverpool shouldn't win the league because they should. So if Liverpool win the league, for me, you have to relegate because you can. Winners and losers. Yeah. The same with the European places. I don't see how you can award European places, but then the bottom three is no jeopardy for the bottom three. It doesn't make any... To me, it doesn't make sense because it almost is like well, we're just finishing the game so Liverpool can be given the league also Leicester can be given a European place or whatever. Do you know what I mean? And it creates... You either do it all or you don't do anything. So therefore for me, this isn't about punishing Liverpool or punishing Leicester. This is about saying to those three teams at the bottom. Yeah, it is an ideal. None of us would have chosen this path. We all would love to be playing with normal scenario, fans in the ground, people just being normal, no health risks, players being relaxed and going out and playing these nice nine games of the season. However, we're not. We're in a situation with the whole world. We've got games on the other side of the world, playing behind closed doors. Germany is starting behind closed doors. We're not the only ones. Now, you could come back on me and go, yeah, but it's not even the fans with the neutral venues. What's tearing people apart? Well, why is it tearing people apart? Is it... And why is it neutral venues then? Is it neutral venues to stop people gathering? Is it neutral venues because they feel hygienically? It's not the same. Well, those clubs could surely go in and deep clean it the day before, so that it's sterilised when the players go in. If you really wanted to do it, you could have one set of players in, say it's Everton, yeah? You could have one set of players in the dressing rooms. You could have another set of players getting changed in the park or on a couch and walking into the stadium so that they only come together when the game's on and going out. And now people have dropped showers and stuff like that. But there's ways around it. I think the top and bottom of it is that grounds that are in city centres are... They don't want people there because... So then as a club chairman, if you're a club chairman, sat in that meeting, the nice facts are rolled out in front of you. How can you complain about it? You're not complaining about it. Ultimately what you're doing is trying to find a reason for the season not to happen. Let's be honest. Or to happen without any jeopardy. Let's be honest, right? No, but if you're Norwich, you've got to be relegated, exactly. But there's two reasons for that, ultimately is. Norwich or a club, let's say Norwich. I'm not picking on Norwich. I'm just saying they're the team we've brought in. Norwich, they've decided that they weren't going to spend loads of money this season. So they've budgeted for the possibility of going down. What they haven't budgeted for though is the possibility of going down to a championship that could be like a wasteland next season because there won't be any fans. So you're not going to get up. You're not going to be on... You're going to get your parachute payments but you're not going to get the extra money that you need to sustain you. You've got your parachute payments, that's great. But if that parachute payment only helps you get through the season, then it's not worth it. For someone like Norwich though, that will help them massively because they'll lose money coming in through the gates of course. They'll lose match day revenue. They'll lose match day revenue compared to their parachute payments. There's nothing. But they don't come back. Sponsors though? The point being is, it's like, you know, you're getting this big chunk of money and then someone's taking it off you straight away where normally you're just getting a big chunk of money. Will is the problem. For the simple reason that they spent. But I'm not... Wille have... They've been... They've decided to take that chance. Norwich haven't. Wille are the people who are just throwing money away and then I'm supposed to feel sorry for them. Now I don't. But Norwich, they've behaved very sensibly and they're doing things the right way and they've said, well, if we go down, we'll... We're all right, we've got young players, I'll tell them I'm going to try and come back up. Wille are a different case because they've just acted like nobeds. But Norwich... They've tried to give themselves the best chance to stay up on me. But the other two teams haven't. So you can... And I just look at Norwich and say, well, I can understand why they wouldn't want to go down because for them going down, it's, it's something really bad. Wille, it's almost like... They've decided to themselves, but it's still catastrophic for Wille. But they've decided to roll advice. Norwich haven't. That's what I'm saying. Not about someone like Westam. Regardless of how you feel about Westam, if you're looking at it, even on the points per game and how they do the metrics, Westam get relegated. They've budgeted big time over me. Big 60,000 in the stadium. They've budgeted the wages. No, I know, but I'm saying their wages are big. So then dropping with no crowd, no matchday revenue, and no... Just then not being in the Premier League. And everything else, that's a disaster for them. And so if you're Westam in that board meeting, you're going to be going, you need us to complete your fixes. We ain't playing on a neutral stadium with no fans. They'll throw no fans in regardless whether they can have them or not because you would do. So we've got no supporters and we've got to play somewhere where we don't play. And you're talking about the opportunity of us losing our Premier League status when we've paid £45m for Seb Halle and given them 100 grand a week or whatever you want us to come to the Championship. We've not given us the best opportunity to stay up. They're going to fight it, aren't they? We'll play the nine games, but we're not going to get relegated. And we'll complete the season for you. So you as a broadcaster or you as a league, get your money. What they're doing is they're playing the game and looking for the assurances of if we do play behind closed doors, where's the extra benefit of us? Do you want more out of it? Do you want more? If they go down, they want to find an order, they'll want more money. If it's Westam, do you think relegation will be taken off the table? No. Well, I've flip-flopped on this, I suppose, I think they'll walk them down to TV and the TV decide that they need the jeopardy because the league's sewn up. And that's where the jeopardy is. I mean, like we've said all the time, this is now the hunger games. This is a TV sport. I mean, I know it's always been a TV sport for the last 20 years. But it's very much a TV sport now. And you get to watch it all in real time, all of it. Every day, I mean, the Spanish league have already said this. 40 on every single day, whether it be the first division or the second division. They're all fighting out for the attention. Fighting for your attention as a football fan who's starved, who might not be able to go to work or has nothing else he can do, depending on what the lockdown situation is in your country. And they hope they can maybe get a big fat sponsor out of that. Blanket coverage, one sponsor maybe who covers everything. That's how they'll look at it. For a big company, they might go this is the time for that supermarket or that internet company or whoever to kickstart themselves. Exactly, because it's all going to come back. So the Premier League will be like sorry, the broadcasters of the Premier League will be like we've got a fantastic opportunity and not only is it fantastic but it's also the idea of well on Monday night you've got Norwich and on Tuesday night you've got Villa and on Wednesday night you've got West Ham and it's like watch it all unfold and then watch the other end unfold and I think that's a key thing for them. Otherwise you are just watching Friendly's really and if there's no jeopardy then it is just Friendly's. People have won the league and rightly so and then the others aren't going down. So the games really are just glorified Friendly's aren't they? So they'll want to pull them in. We've got the situation with like you say Spain have come out and said June the 12th they're aiming for games every day. Italy I guess will do probably do the same. There's also now a meeting today to plan there football calendar and I've now said that it looks as though the Europa League and the Champions League will both be included in August which is mad because I don't unless they're going to be able to all fly to one country which is being mentioned of course Qatar and have won off games I don't know how's that I think it's all mad. It's not even that for me it's the the one that I think is just so funny and I think I mentioned this last week is you know the Europa League starts genuinely in June right the early rounds of it so when does all that happen and how does all that happen so what you're basically saying to after leagues in Europe is you're Sylvakians and you've got Slovenians and you know Slovenian families and all that is that you're not any you can't be in a different world we're going to do is take the top 5 leagues and a couple of others and we're going to start in the group stages because it's the only way that those competitions can be completed so you're devaluing it because you're not allowing but they'll say I suppose from their perspective they'll say well it's unprecedented times so I don't know so is that why so Dutch in the Belgium league let's say well they might say well just quit what's the point because all right they'll both be in it they'll have representatives in it because of where they finished will they? I mean we don't know do we Holland have chosen Iax as the winner well the champion you get and the places have done so I know that so for the Europa League they'll just say you're in it that's where they want them in there they'll need a certain amount to make a competition won't they so it'll just be very interesting to see how it plays out or whether they say we can only have one from but they're taking 7th from England they're taking 4 Champions League teams and that's the time the top 5 leagues but it's all the other ones then you'll get all those people going what? there's got to be some cuts off at some stage they're not going to they should just not have them next year there's not a chance they're not having them but then the other issue then is flying in and out of countries quarantine for 2 weeks you've got to have quarantine for 2 weeks before you play Europa League it's going to be I mean the reality is they could and should probably just scrap them for next season both of those competitions really and put all their efforts play it all in Jacksonville but they should just scrap them and just go look we're focusing on Euro 2021 UEFA and all our European competitions restart then because that way then people aren't having to fly in and out so you can get your country more or less but then they're not going to stop they're not going to stop people travelling in and out of these countries soon Andy that's international travel for me international travel will be back in August because holiday companies are saying we need how can you go on holiday though why would anyone go on holiday I'm saying you would but some people will because they're thick but they might just weigh up the risk are there enough thick people I don't know I don't know is the answer but for the purpose of today for the thing obviously I think I think things have moved slightly because now last week it was even though we were saying it definitely coming back I think now the clubs themselves know it's so the bar has gone down it's as simple as that the bar has gone down we've all been I can go out and play and add some values no worries now from Wednesday I'm looking forward to that no, listen I think I personally think just to recap relegation won't be bad I think they'll have relegation and I think the nine games will be played it starts like this neutral venues we don't want relegation that's where you start and then you go like that but neutral grounds can't be taken off the table that's the interesting thing so the day you then get an extra kickback those clubs will give you another 10 minutes that's what they're looking for they're looking for more money or something I don't know what they're looking for but obviously money is going to be the big factor because they know now it's not about being relegated it's about being relegated now that's ultimately the thing so I'm sure it'll get concluded because what we heard as well is that the Premier League are going to put pressure on them some clubs are back this week some training grounds you're not officially allowed to start training on Monday next Monday it seems like Arsenal have been back and now they've been doing small groups and social groups no it's not even small groups it's one on one I think so it's just like you go in with your own kit and do a bit that's one of the other things they've been doing for the grounds is teams turning up in the kit playing the game and then staying in their kit getting stayed back on the bus and going to the hotel or wherever they are just sweating and all that it's dangerous for the coach isn't it I suppose they probably think it's easier to deep playing a coach do you think just finally when people are looking at this with football coming back and people are going I've got a social distance it's impossible to talk about playing matches but do you think we almost have to look cos I do do you think we almost have to look at football as not the same as us in what's happening there's a footballer feel like that though I don't know but I'm just saying I'm just saying to you when you're looking at it do you look at it as what's good for the Goetges good for the Gander or do you go the footballers they'll be tested and they've got they're in a better position than we are almost cos the only way we're getting tested is if we go and carry on we fully understand that Premier League clubs are going to apparently they've paid 4 million for private tests that weren't going to the NHS I don't think they'd be happy to be where they were I'm just saying that's what they're saying so Dave decided that if you play a game of football right and you've gone up against somebody and you've grappled with them sweating all the rest of it how are you going to feel about going home that night and you've got kids and your missus or whatever is that going to be on your mind during the game are you going to be 100% focused I don't think anyone will oh and isn't that are you professionally enough that it isn't a case profession wasn't the right word because the professional they get into that mode where they're just playing the game and that's the problem though I think that's the ultimate problem is they're going to feel like friendly but are they going to be played like friendly because actually footballers some of them might not want to be there and if they don't want to be there then I think if they don't want to be there they should hold their hand up and then not play but then that's not ultimately what they're doing is we're just watering and down watering it's going to be because I think you know what I think is happening very quickly but I think what they're doing is this is the starting point for next season these nine games are literally just get this done and we'll do it this way and what we'll learn we'll take into next season so this might be a watered down very sterile nine game situation so then do the teams at the bottom have a point about relegation because ultimately if it was just an experiment then it's all fine and well and good but there's real consequences because normally if football clubs employ this fella and that fella a video analysis guy doing all kinds and they go I'm going to have to let you go maybe you simply can't afford you now but then you double that and you're going not only can we not afford you we can't afford that extra face team coach or that fella who's on that salary and we can't afford for you all to have club cars and nothing to play as I mean some of the staff and it just becomes that's where it just becomes I think this is the ultimate the argument is that it just all starts to feel like it's more than just playing a game of football for these people course it is it's going to be a very interesting week I don't know what we're going to get from the friendly today or whatever but it's going to be a very interesting week because you wait for one to know next week so there you go I don't know if anyone has got any more clarity on this situation than you know from today or over the weekend or whatever but let us know your thoughts in the comments you fully understand the clubs near the bottom wanting relegation to be taken off the table or you just think a chub go you know if you're going to play it you're playing it let us know your thoughts in the comments don't forget give this video a like subscribe if you haven't already and if you want more great videos including live shows every single day over on Patreon the link is in the description see you later